HIGHLIGHTS: Mike Gitlin - CEO of Capital Group

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In Good Company with Nicolai Tangen

Episode Highlights: Mike Gitlin – CEO of Capital Group

Date: February 13, 2026
Host: Nicolai Tangen (CEO, Norges Bank Investment Management)
Guest: Mike Gitlin (President & CEO, Capital Group)

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Main Theme

This episode features a concise but insightful conversation between Nicolai Tangen and Mike Gitlin, leader of Capital Group—a key player among the world’s largest investment managers. The focus is on Capital Group’s unique investment approach, its distinct company culture, leadership philosophy, and how these long-term principles shape both business practices and investment performance. The conversation also explores practical uses of AI and the crucial role of culture in building enduring investment organizations.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Capital Group’s Identity and What Makes Them Unique

• Dual Focus: Capital Group manages money for clients ranging from individuals (via financial advisors) to large institutions like sovereign wealth funds and pension plans (00:48).
  • “At the end of the day, all of that is managing money for people.” — Mike Gitlin [00:54]
• Employee Ownership & Long-Term Perspective: Capital is employee-owned, allowing for focus on client interests and investment in long-term projects, even in volatile markets (01:21).
  • Example: They don’t face quarterly earnings pressures and can invest steadily (01:21).
  • “We have shareholders internally who understand that we’re investing in the business for the long term…we can still invest in that technology project that at another company might just get stopped.” — Gitlin [01:21]

2. The Capital System – “Secret Sauce” of Investment Approach

• Origins: Sparked in 1958 to eliminate key person risk after the founder’s health scare. Designed to prevent overreliance on a single manager (02:17).
• System Details:
  • Analysts are not just researchers—they manage real client assets.
  • Multiple portfolio managers collaborate on each portfolio.
  • Openness and lack of hierarchy; all ideas welcome and visible (03:23).
  • Encourages conviction, debate, and avoids groupthink.
  • “The analysts themselves are investors. They’re not credit raters or stock raters. They invest real client assets.” — Gitlin [02:28]
  • “All the portfolios are open so everybody can see them.…It doesn’t promote an environment of group think.” — Gitlin [03:32]

3. Longevity and Culture: What Keeps People at Capital Group

• Exceptional Tenure:
  • Average investment professional tenure >20 years (04:07).
  • Voluntary attrition among investment professionals remains “in the low single digits” (04:39).
    • “We tell people when we’re interviewing, if you don’t think you’re going to be here for your entire career, don’t come.” — Gitlin [04:31]
• Cultural Factors:
  • Deep sense of belonging, the appeal of employee ownership
  • Strong sense of purpose and community

4. Incentives for Long-Term Thinking

• Compensation Structure:
  • The principal metric for bonuses is the 8-year performance number. 5-year and 3-year performance also factor in, but 1-year is the smallest component (05:03).
    • “The number one driver of an analyst or portfolio manager’s quantitative compensation is their eight-year number.” — Gitlin [05:01]
    • “Don’t be a hedge fund manager, manage for the long term.” — Gitlin [05:13]
• Rationale:
  • Longer horizons foster conviction, reduce short-term pressure, and drive better results.
  • Tangen shares that NBIM moved from 3-year to 5-year performance metrics inspired partly by Capital (05:24).

5. Leveraging AI in Investment Management

• Operational Efficiency:
  • Automating commoditized tasks lets people focus on higher-value activities (06:15).
• Sales & Client Service:
  • “Prep Me” tool uses AI to prepare for meetings with financial advisors (06:30).
  • Instant translation for global client content.
• Investment Process:
  • Digitized 94 years of internal reports—now using AI to surface patterns and lessons from past market cycles (07:13).
    • “We’ve digitized our entire library…every single report on every single stock ever written at Capital Group. That’s a proprietary advantage.” — Gitlin [06:53]
    • “What mistakes have I made in the past in the similar environments…goes through all of my data managing money and it tells me things to be aware of as this cycle may be the same or different.” — Gitlin [07:25]

6. Recruitment Process and Commitment to Culture

• Intensive Process:
  • Hiring takes 6-12 months, with both parties evaluating each other (08:22).
    • “Have you ever lost a candidate because the process was too long?...But it’s worth it over the long run to take that time.” — Gitlin [08:29]
  • No one has veto power; decisions are collaborative and inclusive (08:44).
    • “Everyone has a voice, everyone can weigh in, but nobody has veto power.” — Gitlin [08:44]
• Cultural Priorities:
  • Core values: integrity, diverse perspectives, long-term orientation, community, and client focus (09:07).
    • “Our whole business is built on integrity. Diverse perspectives…Long term…community, but also the community they live in…And the fifth one is client focus.” — Gitlin [09:19]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Company Uniqueness:
  “We have shareholders internally who understand that we’re investing in the business for the long term.” — Gitlin [01:23]
• On Eliminating Key-Person Risk:
  “The analysts themselves are investors. They’re not credit raters or stock raters. They invest real client assets.” — Gitlin [02:28]
• On Culture and Tenure:
  “If you don’t think you’re going to be here for your entire career, don’t come.” — Gitlin [04:31]
• On Incentives:
  “The number one driver…is their eight-year number.” — Gitlin [05:01]
• On AI & Data:
  “We’ve digitized our entire library over 94 years…that’s a proprietary advantage.” — Gitlin [06:53]
• On Culture:
  “It’s everything that matters.” — Tangen [09:18]
  “Our whole business is built on integrity. Diverse perspectives…client focus.” — Gitlin [09:19]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Introduction & Overview of Capital Group: [00:01] – [01:17]
• Unique Company Structure & Investment Philosophy: [01:17] – [04:07]
• Culture, Tenure, and Retention: [04:07] – [05:02]
• Long-Term Incentives and Metrics: [05:02] – [06:11]
• AI and Data Utilization: [06:11] – [08:07]
• Recruitment and Deep Dive on Culture: [08:07] – [09:34]

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Summary

Mike Gitlin offers a rare look inside the philosophy and operational bedrock of Capital Group, emphasizing its multi-manager “capital system,” robust culture, and deliberate incentive structures aimed at fostering true long-termism. The conversation, marked by friendly humor and mutual respect, delivers actionable insights for anyone interested in high-integrity leadership, intentional organizational design, and adaptation in the investment world.

Transcript

[A]

Hi everybody. Tune in to this short version of the podcast, which we do every Friday. For the long version, tune in on Wednesdays. Hi everybody. I'm Nicola Tangen, the CEO of the Norwegian Sovereign wealth fund. And today I'm joined by Mike Gitlin, President and CEO of Kepli Group, which is one of the world's largest investment managers with more than 3 trillion in assets. Now, more importantly, Capital Capitaly Group has a unique approach to investing owned by its employees. And I kind of think that you are the gold standard in investing. Mike, so great to have you here.

[B]

Well, thank you. We can end it there.

[A]

No way. No way. Now, Kepler Group, you've been around for nearly 100 years, but for those of the listeners who don't know, what do you do?

[B]

So we manage money for people around the world and those people may be served by a financial advisor and they may be a part of a large scale institution like a sovereign wealth fund, a defined benefit plan, a defined contribution plan. So it's both a wealth management business and an institutional business. But at the end of the day, all of that is managing money for people. At the end of the day, what.

[A]

Is it that make you guys unique?

[B]

I'd say it's two things, apart from.

[A]

A really great CEO, of course.

[B]

Oh, geez, we can end there. So I think two things make us unique. One is how we manage manage our business and the other one is how we manage our money. So in terms of managing our business, we don't have to think about quarterly earnings in the public space. And we have shareholders internally who understand that we're investing in the business for the long term. So The S&P 500 can be down 20% and we can still invest in that technology project that at another company might just get stopped. So we're able to invest through this cycle in our own business, which helps our clients because we're stable, we're not super reactive to the market conditions in that regard. And then how we manage our money. In 1958, we launched something called the Capital System. It's just a different way to manage money than everybody else in the world.

[A]

That's like your secret sauce, right?

[B]

It is. And I can speak about it. I wasn't alive yet. It was a brilliant concept, but it came out of a moment of challenge. At that time, our founder had had a heart attack, survived when he came back to the office, said, we can't manage money with key person risk. It's just not good for the clients. And so the capital system was formed where the analysts themselves are investors. They're not credit raiders or stock raiders. They invest real client assets. And then you have multiple portfolio managers collaborate in a portfolio as opposed to just one person managing all the money.

[A]

Why is that good?

[B]

It's good for a few reasons. One is an analyst who manages money has skin in the game. That's real client assets. It's not a buy rating or a sell rating. It's money. That's a very different responsibility when you're actually managing money.

[A]

How does it help learning and knowledge transfer, the fact that you have these people working together?

[B]

I think what you have is you have people sitting around the table in a certain investment unit and everything's open. There's no hierarchy. You're a portfolio manager, I'm an analyst. It's not hierarchical. And so we all share ideas. All the portfolios are open so everybody can see them. And what it does is it gets the ideas all on the table. And, and because you and I can express our convictions, it doesn't promote an environment of group thing. You might have serious conviction in these names, I and different names. And we can do that in the portfolio because we'll have some diversification benefits from the client on an overall perspective. So it just makes a really open conversation at the table.

[A]

These portfolio managers, they hang in there for ages, right? I mean, is it right that the average tenure is more than 20 years?

[B]

Yeah, our folks stay.

[A]

Why?

[B]

They stay because of the culture. They stay because of the nature of the shareholding and they stay because they love capital group. I mean they come, we tell people when we're interviewing, if you don't think you're going to be here for your entire career, don't come. So our attrition rate for investment professionals is in low single digits. I mean they do come for their careers.

[A]

Long termism, how does that come into play here?

[B]

It's interesting. Incentive systems are a very interesting thing. I'm a believer in incentive systems. They drive behavior, period. The number one driver of an analyst or portfolio manager's quantitative compensation is their eight year number.

[A]

That's a long time, huh?

[B]

It's a long time. Well, and in a world where short termism can be favored and create additional volatility, when you're eight years first and then five and then three and your one year is the lowest component, smallest component of your compensation, it says, don't be a hedge fund manager, manage for the long term.

[A]

But eight years, a long time. And just to put it into perspective, we until recently had three year as the rolling number and we have probably inspired by you guys, moved some of it to five year old. But to have people think about five year results in this faster and faster moving world, that's interesting.

[B]

But I think about your people and I think about your goals going from three to five years. Statistically, if you measure that over the next 10, 20, 30 years, I bet you have better investment results by having that slightly longer time horizon. It gives people confidence to have conviction and not be so knee jerk reactive to one thing or another. But stick with it.

[A]

Moving on to AI. How do you use AI in capital?

[B]

Well, it depends. It depends on the group, the operating group, taking commoditized functions, having them go away and having those individuals spend their time on higher value added activities. And the world is doing that. I don't think we're any different in that regard. In the client group, you're going in to see a financial advisor. On the wealth management side, hit the Prep Me button. It tells you everything about that financial advisor that you've already put in the system so you can make it a more productive interaction with the advisor. You're not going in there blind. You look at all AI reads all of your notes in the Prep Me session. Just makes it so much more valuable. Translation we put together lots of value added content for our clients. Translation makes it available immediately for everybody around the world in their language. These are just really easy use cases. On the investment management side, think about 94 years of data. We've digitized our entire library over 94 years. Every single report on every single stock ever written at Capital Group. That's a proprietary advantage. How we utilize that data and structure that data and investors as well. I'm an investor. I've been at Capital Group 30 years. This environment has rates that are coming down. Valuations are relatively high. What mistakes have I made in the past in the similar environments goes through all of my data managing money and it tells me things to be aware of as this cycle may be the same or different, but at least it gives me an indication of some of the things I've done in the past. So trying to use all of the data we have to make better decisions. There's a lot of opportunities in that space.

[A]

Can we drill down a bit more on the culture side? So now I'm really lucky. I get a job at Capital.

[B]

It's a long interview process. Are you patient?

[A]

Let's just start with that. So how long is it long?

[B]

I mean it can be anywhere from six to 12 months. And you know I was asked a question in one forum. Someone said, have you ever lost a candidate because the process was too long? And I said, yeah, of course we have. But it's worth it over the long run to take that time.

[A]

And can everyone veto and say, listen, I don't like the look of that person.

[B]

The good thing is nobody has veto power on anything. So it's not like that. Everyone has a voice, everyone can weigh in, but nobody has veto power. But it's important because you want them to interview us also if they're going to be there for the rest of their career, they should be interviewing us as much as we interview them. I think that's super important.

[A]

What are the other cultural things?

[B]

You know, if you look at culture, culture is an interesting thing because some people, their eyes glaze over when you talk about culture. They feel like it's so intangible. Does it really matter?

[A]

It's everything that matters.

[B]

It's everything that matters. I agree with you. And so from us, it's all in the core values, integrity. If you look at financial advisors, we're rated number one in trust. You have to have integrity. It's what you do. It's. Our whole business is built on integrity. Diverse perspectives. The capital system is built on diverse perspectives. Long term. We talked about 8 year number driving quantitative bonuses community. We want people to invest in the capital community, but also the community they live in so we can be responsible in that community. And the fifth one is client focus. Are you client focused or are you so focused on your own P and L that you're not? That's a huge thing.