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Rabbi Ami Hirsch (0:00)
Rabbi. I'm Rabbi Ami Hirsch of the Stephen Wise Free Synagogue in New York, and you're listening to in these Times. Andrew Cuomo has dedicated decades of his life to public service. The son of New York's 52nd governor, Mario Cuomo, Andrew served as US Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, New York Attorney General, and Governor of the State of New York from 2011 to 2021. When Governor Cuomo's staff contacted me to say that he was eager to be a guest on in these Times, of course, I immediately accepted. We are in the midst of an important mayoral campaign in New York City with local, national, and even international ramifications. Moreover, as this podcast focuses on issues important to the American Jewish community, the opportunity to spend close to an hour in intimate conversation with the former Governor of New York, and according to recent polling, the leading candidate for mayor of our city, constitutes a rare opportunity to probe deeply into the issues that are important to Americans and American Jews. Not in a partisan manner. Synagogues do not engage in partisan politics. We do not endorse candidates, and we do not tell people how to vote. But rather, as a service to anyone interested in becoming more informed about the issues that define the campaign, I hope other candidates will contact me as well. A mayoral forum focusing on the issues that American Jews are most concerned about would be good for both our community as well as the candidates seeking our support. In the course of our conversation, I asked Governor Cuomo what is at stake in the coming years.
Andrew Cuomo (1:42)
I am worried about the state of American democracy. I'm worried about this president. You have a broken government in New York, and the city feels out of control and chaotic. You have this far left, which is basically anti business. I think not to be frightened is unintelligent.
Rabbi Ami Hirsch (2:15)
Governor Andrew Cuomo, welcome to in these Times.
Andrew Cuomo (2:18)
Thank you for having me, Rabbi.
Rabbi Ami Hirsch (2:19)
It's a great honor to have you. Before we get to some of the key issues, in particular Israel and the Middle East, I just wanted to ask you. You spent most of your life in public service. You spent eight years at HUD and four years as the Secretary. You were Attorney General in New York. You were, of course, the Governor of New York. And now you're running for mayor of New York. What is it about public life that is so compelling to you that constantly draws you into public service?
Andrew Cuomo (2:47)
Well, let's add also, Rabbi, that starting in my 20s, helping my father run for governor, which was probably the most difficult public service, I, I did. I helped him run his first campaign, and he became governor in 1982, and then I worked with him as a special assistant for the first few years, and then I helped him informally. Public service, you pay a tremendous price, a higher price than I realized when I look back, because you just take a lot of time away from your family, there are other opportunities you don't get a chance to pursue. You deal with all sorts of garbage, especially nowadays. It's a toxic environment. You know, it's like swimming in sewage some days. But the but is you get to do a tremendous amount of good for people if you do it right. The political part of it, the back and forth, the politics, the pandering, the posturing, forget all that stuff which many politicians focus on. I focus on the instrumentality of government, of getting things done. And when you get something done that changes people's lives, that brings so much satisfaction. We were the first big state to pass marriage equality, for example, which didn't change the whole conversation across the country. You know, not to sound like an arrogant New Yorker, but when New York does something people notice, free college tuition, raise the minimum wage, you change lives. And that's the upside, that's the benefit. And I was not planning on running for mayor. I had moved into the private practice, and I was enjoying life, and I got myself reacquainted with my kids. But I was watching New York City. I'm watching the country, and I'm afraid for New York City. Urban areas all across the country are in decline, and I wanted to get in to see if I could help, because I think help is needed.
