Megan Ashley (2:02)

Hey, you guys.

John (2:03)

Welcome to In Totality, a place where we celebrate authenticity and openness. We're here for those who are willing to explore, those who embrace imperfections, and for those with open hearts and minds. I'm excited to embark on this journey with you. And while I can't predict every twist and turn, I'm certain that God will be by our side with every step of obedience. Welcome to In Totality with me, your host, Megan Ashley. Welcome back, you guys, to In Totality. I am your host, Megan Ashley, and we are here with another episode. Before we get started, do me a favor and hit the subscribe button and the like button so you don't miss any content that comes from this channel. I have been having some amazing guests on In Totality, and God has just been good and, and, and kind. I've had the privilege of having some of my heroes in the faith on this podcast, people who have blessed me in my individual walk. And today is no exception of that, I would love to introduce to some and present to others the one and only Mrs. Lisa Previer. How are you, ma'am?

Lisa Bevere (3:13)

I'm doing great. I'm so honored to be with you, Megan.

John (3:17)

I am so honored to have you as my audience knows. They know I love the beverage. Everyone knows how much I love the breviaries. You guys are literally heroes to me and you just mean so much to me. So thank you so much for being here.

Lisa Bevere (3:35)

Well, thank you, John. John just went on on this morning. He's, you're going to love Megan. She is so amazing.

John (3:43)

Tell him I said hi and I can't wait to see him in October.

Lisa Bevere (3:48)

He's excited about that.

Megan Ashley (3:49)

Yes.

John (3:50)

And I'm, and I'm honored and grateful that you were the one that pushed him to say yes. Oh, he told us better do this so much. I just want to get into all the things because I have been digesting your content along with your husband's content for quite some time now. As I gave a serious and devoted yes to the Lord a little over a year ago. But I grew up in the church. I have a mother who is just the most amazing Christian. She's the greatest Christian I've ever known because she really loves the Lord and loves His Word and she has been devoted to him my entire life. And she taught me through not just her words, but through her actions, how to have a sincere relationship with the Lord. But just like most kids who grow up in the faith, there's, there's, you know, there's times where you kind of fallen away. And so I gave the Lord a serious yes about a little over a year ago. And I've been digesting you guys content for some time. And I relate so much to you because you have four boys. I have three boys. So I'm a boy, mom. And I love my boys. I love my boys. And I always knew I was going to be a boy mom because I grew up kind of a tomboy and I was closer to my dad. I was a daddy's girl, all the things. So I relate so much to your story and, but I wanted to get your wisdom before we get into all the things with your new amazing book that we're going to talk about. I wanted to get your wisdom on what it's like to be a boy mom.

Lisa Bevere (5:35)

Well, first of all, I think boy moms have it easier. My daughter, my daughter in law down the street has. Has a teenage girl right now. She was like, I don't even think you boy moms are moms. You. You will never deal with periods. You will never deal with hormone fluctuations. She's like, you don't even count as a mom. I'm like, oh, my gosh. But it's. It. No. I feel a little spoiled right now. Megan. My oldest son and my youngest son live down the street from me. I have. I know, I know. John and I walked down last night, kissed good night, the one set of grandkids, kissed the other one, and then we head home.

John (6:13)

Yeah, I love it.

Lisa Bevere (6:14)

And they say, they say, oh, if you have boys, you know, the whole saying that, you know, your son is only your son until he takes a wife. Well, I'm gonna tell you, I was like, I do. I do not like that one. I don't like that saying. And so I did, I prayed, I prayed that God would give us daughter in laws that were looking for us to be their parents. And. And I. I don't know if you know this. I mean, I was not raised Christian. I was raised to be an exceptional heathen. And I, you know, my parents were divorced, remarried divorced again. My parents weren't really Christians either. And when Addison met his first hit. His only wife. Sorry, not his first wife. His. His wife, Juliet. When he first met Julia, I should say she acted a little. A little snarky with me. She was sweet with John. She was sweet with Addison. And she'd be like, man. And so I took her out to lunch and I said, listen, you and I both came from a family where our parents were divorced because her parents were divorced, remarried and divorced again, just like mine. Her dad was an alcoholic. My dad was an alcoholic. And I said to her, if you make Addison choose between you and us, he's going to choose you, but he'll never forget you made him choose. And I said, in this family, you don't have to choose. You don't have to choose. I said, you and I came from a divorced, broken background, so we always had to choose. And I said, the only thing I want from you is for you to love my son. And I said, you were always meant to be part of our family. And then the other thing that I did, and I think a lot of you know, because I get this question all the time, how come your daughter in laws love you? Because it is a, it's a complicated relationship. But I did not, I did not bring them into my world. I merged our worlds. I said, what does it, what does dinner mean to you? What does holidays mean to you? What was important to your family? And a lot of them, you know, they didn't, they didn't have that like two, two of my daughter in laws came from broken families. Two of them came from amazing families that were raised up godly and Christian, but some of them didn't have any traditions. And I don't know if you know this Megan, but John is Italian, I'm Sicilian, so we're all about you do life at the table and you fight for unity. So with boys, I think you just have to have a lot of food.

John (8:45)

Yes.

Lisa Bevere (8:46)

You do have a lot of sense of humor.

John (8:49)

Yeah.

Lisa Bevere (8:50)

And you need to give them a lot of affection.

John (8:53)

Yeah.

Lisa Bevere (8:54)

And, and not push them away when they're weird and awkward in teenage years because they actually need affection more then, then time. And if you don't give it to them, it becomes a problem. I also was the last, I know this is going to sound really weird, but it worked for me. I, when my boys were in my home still, I, I still went up every single night and kissed them good night. And I would scratch their back. And there were so many times where they would just unburden their souls. I'd be like, mom, today at school was really hard. I would ask them at 4 o'clock when they came in, they'd be like, it was great, it's fine. Because they don't want to talk about it, they want to pause. But at the end of the day when I could just say, baby, what happened today? Are you okay? They would just pour out their soul. And our, my boys are still so affectionate. If I picked up my phone right now and called my third son, he would answer the phone. My beautiful mother.

John (9:50)

That's what he's, I love that his.

Lisa Bevere (9:53)

Wife so, you know, enjoy it.

John (9:56)

Yeah, yeah. I, I, I wanted to ask you because I think I also come from a divorced family and a father who has struggled with alcohol. And it's really interesting now that I am divorced and I am a single mom and I have three boys. And so I remember asking the Lord, like, lord, how am I gonna do this? Because I feel like in our family I have more of a spiritual type of conscious. I am the one that pours the word into them. I'm the one that's like, read your Bibles. Go, like, do your Bible study. I'm. I'm the spiritual one for them mainly. And I was just like, God, like, how am I gonna do this? Because I want my sons to know you. I want my son grow up and be mighty men of God. I don't want them to compromise. I don't want them to fall into, you know, the traps of the enemy because of what culture and society says that they have to be. I want them to be who you want them to be. And I remember being so fearful of, like, how am I going to do this? Like, how am I going to navigate this life? And I remember I felt like the Lord impressed on my heart to. To not be so fearful of, like, how to parent them. But I remember the Lord telling me to disciple my kids. Disciple your sons. And so being. Because you have that same type of story of coming from a broken family and you have sons, what encouragement can you give? Because I have a lot of. A lot of women that follow my podcast and a lot of moms, and a lot of them might be single moms, too. What encouragement can you give to single moms to raise their sons? You know, to. To love who they are, be strong men, but also love, love the Lord, respect women and their roles and who God called women to be. Like, how can we do that in. In an effective way that glorifies God?

Lisa Bevere (12:01)

Well, first of all, I want to say, in my opinion, single moms are the heroes of our day. I mean, they're. They are. And I. And I feel like a lot of time they feel the pressure, Megan, to be both the mom and the dad. You can't. You. You can only be the mom and point them to the one that is their heavenly father. And, and even, I mean, like, you know, every broken space in our lives, we either use it as a pit to fall into or a place for God to fill. And so connecting our sons with. With God is. Is key. Like, okay, so, you know, I'm not a single mom, but I did have a husband who traveled way too much. And he, you know, it was kind of the ministry thing. You leave your kids, you leave. And I remember my oldest son turning 13, and he started to act up on me because I was the one home. He started being hateful with me. And one day I sat down with him and I realized he's. He's mad at his dad, but his dad's not here, so he's taken it out on me. And I just want every single mom to Hear this. They will tend to attack the relationship they feel the safest with and protect the one they feel the most vulnerable with. I don't like that, but it's the truth. And so I remember just thinking. But his concern is valid. He's like, I'm going through puberty. I'm becoming a man. My dad's not here. What am I supposed to do? You're a woman. And I called one of our board members who. Just this beautiful older man. He's probably in his 80s now. And I said, hey, hey. Addison is saying, my dad's not here for me. I don't. He's right. What. What do I say to him? And I remember he said to me, megan, he said, does Addison want to get married? I was like, well, I said, yeah, I think he does. And he said, then you need to tell him that he's going to be processing the rest of his life with a woman, and he's getting a head start now. And so instead of seeing it as a lack, he saw it as an opportunity. And I started to say, addison, you know what? I get it. But guess what? You're going to go to your heavenly father for the things that your father. And in all honesty, John is an amazing father. But every generation has a chance to build. Like John's dad, World War II, that did not talk. I mean, he even had a hearing aid. Half the time, we don't even know if he was listening. I mean, he was seeing, like, turned down his hearing, and I'm like, he just turned that off. So. So. So he just was. He. He said, I love you by providing. He didn't talk. He didn't ask questions, and. And then John comes along, and he. He didn't get certain things from his dad, but he. He did more. And now I'm watching my sons, and they're doing more than their father did, and they're doing it better, and they're doing it with strength. And one of our grandsons going through kind of a weird stage. He's. He's 14. And, you know, we got a call, and. And my son said, hey, Dad, I need you to go take your grandson for a walk. And so, like, coming full circle and. And having something in their life, but I do think single moms, they are heroes, but they cannot be everything. So what I actually did was I actually brought to dinner ministers. I would put. I would put my iPad on the table, and we would listen to things. We would listen to interviews. We would listen to men that I saw as wise men. Men that I saw as masculine men that wasn't their dad, wasn't me. And then what would we do? I talked to them. I didn't tell my kids what to think. I taught my kids how to think. I read to my kids every single night. I prayed over my boys every single night. I didn't shrink their world. I expanded their world.

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Lisa Bevere (19:54)

I don't know if you've ever heard me say this, Megan, but one of my sons came home from a youth group and, you know, we lived in Colorado at the time. There was icy road, so I was staying up waiting for him to come, and he wanders into my bathroom, which I don't know if your boys do this, but it feels like the bathroom is where they want to have the deepest meaningful conversations.

John (20:14)

I'm like, yes.

Lisa Bevere (20:18)

You know, so he's sitting down on my bathroom floor and he's like, mom, what do you think I'm called to do? And I thought, you're called to go to bed. It's 10 o'clock. That's what you're called to do. And I just, I heard the Holy Spirit say, don't frame his world too small. And I said, you are called to see up close what your father and I only saw at a distance. You are called to lay your hands on the things we touched in prayer. You are called to speak out loud and with courageous boldness the very things we only knew to whisper. I said, you are a disciple taught of the Lord and you are not created for death and destruction, but you are created for signs and wonders and miracles. And Megan, it was like those things went into his heart. It was almost like he could see it enter his chest. And he's like his. He just got stronger. And I spoke the word of God over all of my boys on a regular basis every single night. And I've watched them be better husband, better fathers, better sons, better humans than John and I. And that's what you want.

John (21:38)

That's so good. That's so good. I've. I'm encouraged as a lot of the things that you said. I feel like the Lord has impressed on my heart just in the sense of talking to my kids. I think that that was something that, like, my parents didn't do. As much. As much as my mom was like a great discipler, we didn't process, I think, a lot through things. And I talk to my kids more now, and I just feel like it's so important because we are in a social media generation and they're getting so much information from so many people. And I'm like, we need to, like, I believe that your identity starts here in the home. Like, I am the one that helps you know who you are. Like, you were saying that were. You were made for signs and wonders. You were not made for destruction. You were not made for the works of. For the enemy, but you are made for good works from. From the Lord. And so I just, I. I know that's going to bless so many people who. It's hard right now being a parent. It's scary. And I know it's always scary to be a parent, but right now it's like, really scary to be a parent in this. In this time. And so I know that's going to bless so many people. So why do you feel like ACTS is necessary? Like, what makes this conference different?

Unknown (22:54)

I think when we look at the country of America and then when we look at the state of Atlanta in particular, I think you see a few things. I think you see low biblical literacy. I think you see a form of godliness. I think you see hypocrisy. I think you see prosperity teaching. And I think we have a lot of people who are picking at and exposing and criticizing and critiquing, but not also fixing the problem.

John (23:20)

Yeah.

Unknown (23:20)

So to me, it just seems necessary to not just talk about it, but actually do something.

John (23:24)

Yeah. I feel like there's a hunger to know the Lord. Right. And I feel like to present a conference for them to really meet the Lord. Right. Where it looks just like the Lord's original intent for his church, where it's equipping the saints with the teaching of the word, Right? Not the teaching of an opinion, not the teaching of a motivational speech. Or, you know, I think that like Christ centered, like a fully Christ centered conference where it's getting back to the basics. You have been writing books for a very long time. You have been writing books for a long time, which also is another reason why you are my hero. I'm in the process of trying to write my first book and. Yeah, yeah, but you are, you have been writing books for a really long time and you just wrote a new book, Fight for Female. And so I saw, when I first saw the name of it, I was like, oh, wow, this is very, this is either very clever, like, she's doing this for a reason. Because I know so many people are going to see this, this, this, this title and think of the feminist movement, they're gonna think like, oh, yes, Lisa Revere has gone liberal. She is all the way left and now she's fighting for females. But, but tell us the, the, the inspiration and the. I really feel like it's obedience because I know the Lord gave this to you. What is the obedience behind Fight for Female? The title of this?

Lisa Bevere (25:09)

Yeah. Well, in 2016, I had a dream. Now I think, I think that, you know, people think I'm spiritual because I have dreams. I think God's, he's like, she's not listening, so I'm just gonna have to interrupt her sleep. So I had this dream and in this dream, Megan, I walked into this green room of beautiful women. Beautiful. All ages, all different, you know, races, all different life experiences, educator, influencers. And when I got a little closer, I saw they were all holding something close to their chest. And when I, I looked, they were all holding different jewel toned, or can I say rainbow colored baby dragons. And I'm like, wait. And they were dressed in children's clothing. I mean, it was the most bizarre thing. 2016, I go from woman to woman. I'm like, do, do you understand? You're holding a dragon. And the women were like, these are different dragons. These are the wise kind dragons. I was like, no, no, no, no. There is no agreement between daughters and dragons. And at the end of the dream, a woman thrusts a dragon towards me. It had like an Elizabethan lace collar on. And I reach out, I grab the dragon by the neck and I break its neck. And I wake up and I'm on my back, my arms are flying I'm like, what just happened? I type out the whole dream, I send it to somebody, like, can someone help me? I've had scary dreams about dinosaurs. I've never dreamed about dragons and the people. Like, we got, we got nothing. And so I kind of, at that point, I was, had written, had written the book without rival. And I had closed out with, you know, when we make ourselves a friend with the world, we make ourselves an enemy of God. And so I actually preached. There's a big difference between being a friend with the world and a friend to the world, because you and I are called to be a friend to the world. But the church has decided to get in bed with the world instead of the, the preaching. Strong people are not liking it. That's okay. I broke the dragon's neck. Then I start to see what's happening to the children. I start to see that the enemy is telling these children, oh, you're a mistake. Oh, you're, you're a house divided. Oh, your gender identity is this, but your body is that. Oh, you, you. God made a mistake when he made you. I start to see people believe, believe that they were not fearfully and wonderfully made, but they were randomly made. Then I started to see people think, oh, I need to fix this, I need to fix. And I was like, wait a minute. Rainbow colored baby dragons, women. And then I don't know about you, but I posted something. It was just so beautiful. It wasn't even Christian. It was about athletics. It was about women being displaced in athletics. And people were like, you are hateful, you are mean. And all it said was, keep your daughter's dreams alive. And it was the women, it was the women that were saying, I'm okay with being a CIS woman. Well, guess what? I'm not. I'm not. Because woman is my name given by the man. Okay, so when Adam and Eve were created, they were Ish and Isha. They were so closely related. They were two sides, like two sides of the same coin. And I'm not a coin collector, but I do know that if you bring a coin into a coin shop and one side is in perfect condition and the other side is flawed, it devalues the entire coin. And so I'm watching what's happening in the body of Christ. I'm watching how men are being emasculated. I'm watching how women are being sexualized. I'm watching what's going on. And I'm reading Revelation, chapter 12, verse 17, where it says, and then the dragon was enraged with the woman and went to make war against church children. I'm like, whoa. He attacks the women because he's after the children. And then while I was in the process, because I'm still kind of like, I don't know if I want to say anything about trans. I'm going to get in trouble. I. I'm gonna get. You know, they're gonna threaten my life. I'm at a meeting in. In San Antonio, and Megan, it's getting harder and harder to find people older than me. But this woman that was older than me comes up to me and she said, did you ever know Derek Prince? And I said, I knew of him, but I did not know him. She said, well, I hosted him for my women, and my husband and I drove him back to the hotel. And when we pulled up the hotel, we turned around, he was weeping in the back seat. And we said, brother Prince, why are you crying? And he said, I see an attack coming against the women, and if the enemy can get the women, he will get the children. And Megan, I just was like, can I. Can I be okay? And so I started writing. And when it's first, I open up the book with this prophetic dream, but I close it up with what we do. And here's the thing, I started the book angry, angry, angry about what was happening. And I ended up heartbroken. I realized there is a generation, you know, when God does this beautiful banquet, and he's like, hey, guys, come. We keep inviting the busy. And God's like, can you please ask the broken? Can you please invite the broken? And it said, you know, his servants go out to the highways and byways. Well, our highways and byways right now are the Internet. And there are people out there trying to find wholeness by making the biggest changes, irreversible changes. You and I never were told. We were like, you might. You and I might have been told, your breasts are too small. Your breasts are too big, you're too short, you're too white, you're too black. You. We heard that, but we never heard that. Our genesis was a mistake. And so then I started having people ask me questions. I remember sitting with a billionaire woman, and I think sometimes people are afraid to tell the truth to people who are wealthy. So she asked me a question. I think she thought, well, Lisa won't. She woke up maybe slack. So she's like, I need to ask you. She said, if. If my friend who believes she was born in the wrong body was sitting right here, what would Jesus say to her? It was 6:30 in the morning. I'm like, I. I will speak for Jesus. I said, well, first he would say, I love you, because Jesus loves all of us. Then he would say, you're not a mistake. And usually that's what we. We stop with, he loves you, you're not a mistake. He loves you, you're not a mistake. But we don't bring them to the high priest. We don't bring them to the Hebrews for man who understands the. The struggle now. And I've had people say, you're saying Jesus is transgender. Heck, no. I'm saying that Jesus understands actually being uncomfortable in the human body. And you say, where are you getting that from? Well, let's talk about that. Jesus was the Son of God. It says in Philippians chapter two that he set aside his divine form. He emptied himself of his divine identity so that he could become like us, so that we could become like him. So the third thing I said to her was, he understands. He understands that you don't feel. You don't feel right in this body. And it's not just because, you know, it's awkward. It's because you and I, Megan, we're made for eternity. We're made for eternity. So why would we think our seed soil stage is all there ever is? You know, I. I'm Italian. I planted way too many tomato plants out there. I mean, it's like a jungle. I have like, a tomato. You know, when you cut open a tomato and you look at a tomato seed, it's tiny, it's colorless, it's not attractive. It's just you. You could look at it and be like, well, that could be a green bell pepper seed. I don't. I don't know what that is. But that seed is contained potential. And you put that seed into the ground, and it comes up green, it comes up red, it comes up vibrant. It comes up with so much fruit and so much seed that you and I can't even count it. And that's how we are. Paul said, first the natural, then the spiritual. And so I believe, I believe with all of my heart there is going to be a revival in the LG TBQ community. That God is so calling them, that they are, like, so hungry, and they're going to come to this place and they're going to say, I. I thought this was going to make me happy. Happy. I mean, you and I both know I love my husband. I love my husband with all of my heart. But getting married doesn't make you whole. And there's too many people think getting married is going to make them whole.

John (34:32)

It's not.

Lisa Bevere (34:33)

It's. It's not. Being a successful podcaster, does that make you whole?

John (34:39)

No, ma'am. No, it does not.

Lisa Bevere (34:40)

It does. Writing a book, does that make you whole?

John (34:43)

No, ma'am.

Lisa Bevere (34:44)

No. There's only one who makes this whole. There's only one. And. And I feel like. I don't know, Megan. I feel like the women. We need to remember who we are. Yeah, fine. Identity to multiply.

John (34:58)

Yeah.

Lisa Bevere (34:59)

We've allowed the enemy to flip it around and we divide. We've taken our brokenness and we've highlighted our brokenness instead of Jesus.

John (35:09)

Well, I. I feel like what happens? And you can tell me what you think about this, because I feel like we live in a. Like we're extremists and that's. I can be that way, too. It's either this or it's that. I'm either I'm this or that or like it's like this extreme. And I feel like when it comes to women, we've either been like, you're either a stay at home wife and, and barefoot, pregnant and taking care of the kids, or you're this powerful, successful, masculine woman. You know what I mean? There's like, it's either this or it's that. And I understand feelings. Like I un. Like I. I empathize with people who feel things. I get it. We live in a fallen world, right? So we're going to feel things that may go against what God created us to be. But what are some practical ways? Like what. Who. What do you say to the women or even to anyone who feels confused? This is how I feel, Lisa. This is how I feel. How do I. How do I navigate that when this is how I feel? What I feel feels so natural to me. How do we not. How do they navigate that and come back to the truth of who they are? Like who God created them to be when they feel this so strongly?

Lisa Bevere (36:28)

Well, you and I both know feelings can lie to you. I mean, I just went through menopause. I mean, it's like an evil woman living in you that says, punch your husband. It's like we're talking about. We want to talk about feelings. It's like being premenstrual for years, for years. And you just have to say, no. No. So. So how do I not allow my feelings to take me hostage? First of all, I have to renew my mind. I have to renew my mind because we all can be crazy in Our minds. And then we also need to realize that our feelings. Our feelings are good indicators. Horrible rulers. They do not get to be the one driving the car. They get to be the passenger. Okay, so we. We've given our feelings too much preeminence, and then we need to guard our sacred spaces. And my mind is a sacred space. God speaks to my spirit. It is a sacred space. My house is a. A place for the presence of God. I cannot allow certain things to come in through my television, through music, because those things, you know what they do, they create a culture of comparison. They create a. You're not enough. You're, you know, your husband's not enough. Your friends aren't. And whatever it is, or, you know, Megan is. Is being promoted and is taking away. She's taking it away from me. I'm not. Her blessing is my curse. No, you know, so we have to guard. We have to put some guards around our lives, some guards around our thoughts. And. And, you know, here's the thing. The Bible says people don't like this. Jesus doesn't say, take up your cross. He does. He just. And fulfill yourself. He says, deny yourself. Take up your cross and follow me. That is like Discipleship 101. Deny myself. Well, my feelings. Deny yourself. Am I allowed to have feelings? Absolutely. Are my feelings allowed to control me? No. I have to be spirit controlled. There are so many things, and I. Maybe you don't have mean people on your social media. There are so many things I want to, like, say in the thread that I like, type out in my notes.

John (38:52)

And I. Yep.

Lisa Bevere (38:54)

If I could just post this. And then I'm like, do you like this? No. I was like, no, I don't do it. It's an opinion. I need to live by my opinions. I've got to live by his word, which is truth. And. And again, women, we. We need you to feel things, but we need you not to be controlled by feelings. And. And, you know, a lot of people aren't going to like this, but I. I've watched. I've watched because I was born in 1960. I've watched the men be compromised by pornography and greed and no fault divorce and no consequence with sexual behavior because of either abortion or birth control access. You know, all of this kind of stuff going on. I've watched the breakdown on family. Then I watched the women being told, hey, you're trapped in your house. You're just a slave of men. Get out of the house. Go out there, beat the man in his world. Go and do What? Everything the man can do. Go, go do it. Go do it. Behave sexually like the man. And I don't like that men are dressing up like drag queens right now. I don't like that there are men, women winning women's beauty contest right now. Let's just. I don't like, I don't like that men are dressing up or identifying as women. But guess what? Women have been acting like men for a really long time. And when I, and I've had people say, what do you mean by that? Sexually, they have, they have pushed aside their heart to nurture their heart to protect. Opening their mouth with wisdom and kindness. We have, we have embraced the lesser and we have forgotten that God actually said, set up the image of woman. The first eight chapters of Proverbs. Wisdom is a woman. It's a woman. We have made the man a problem. We've been like, I, the man is a problem. Well, the man is not a problem, nor is he our answer. And, and so we, we need to get our answers from God. And, and I don't have, I don't know how much more time we have, but I, I would love to share.

John (41:06)

This all the time. You, this is, Listen, you are Lisa Bevere. You have all the time you want.

Lisa Bevere (41:13)

So I don't know if you saw this because, you know, social media, there's so many things I miss other people post, but I had posed. I, I went to a coffee shop here in Franklin, Tennessee, and I forgot how, how much of a bubble Franklin is. And I was out in this coffee shop and I have a T shirt on that says the future is male and female. And I had guys like looking at me like, thank you, thank you for including us in the future. I'm like, you're welcome. And then I had women coming up to me like, I need that T shirt. So I thought, everybody loves this. So I take a selfie with myself with a T shirt and it says the future is male and female. And then I put underneath it, because without male and female, there is no future. That's your parents. That's not even deep. That's, you know, that's just basic.

John (41:55)

You said this. It is not that deep. This is simple.

Lisa Bevere (41:58)

Yeah, this is not. I, I mean, it's morning time. This was not. And I need 922 comments later, people accusing me of co signing with patriarchy, accusing me of being a bigot, accusing me of being a transphobe. Mojobo, a demon of hate. It even, even, even some people said it was, it was coding like all lives matter racially. And I'm like, oh wow, you guys are. This is. You're taking this. You're thinking I'm smarter or deeper than. Like this is not. This was about biology. And so Megan, I thought, okay, when something is discharged, there's something more behind it.

John (42:45)

Yeah.

Lisa Bevere (42:46)

So I just go home and I type into my laptop, Google, what is the origin of the quote, the future is female?

John (42:54)

Boom.

Lisa Bevere (42:54)

An article comes up from the Washington Post and it says that the quote, the future is female was from a group that did a presentation, a group called Labris that did a presentation called what a well dressed dyke would wear. It's from 1975. And Labrus is the two headed ax carried by Amazons and Greek and Roman goddesses. And they said the quote, the future is female was a call to war, an invocation and a spell to cast. That's what they said. This is in a 2015 article talking about how excited they are that the quote is everywhere. And 25% not, not of the proceeds, not the profits, goes to Planned Parenthood. And I'm like, what in the world? A spell, a call to war. And about that time, my grandson rode his bike over to my house and he walked in and I said, asher, what are your thoughts on the quote, the future is female? And he looked at me and he said that I'm unnecessary. Well, you have three sons. Do you want those babies to think they're unnecessary? And yet, Megan, did you know 24 to 35 year old men are experiencing the highest rates of suicide right now because they completely unnecessary. And then you and I, you and I, we need to remember our divine assignment that we take what is not good. The man alone in the basement playing video games at his parents house. The man alone. And we take what is not good. And we make it so very, very good. And I mean I watched somebody, they almost, they almost directly quoted something from a book I had in 2005 about a man gives her a house, she gives him a home. He, you know, like, like all this, like all this exchange. And Megan, the women were so mad. Like, oh, you know, it's all about him. No, it's about us.

John (44:59)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lisa Bevere (45:01)

Us. It's about us. And our creation was not an afterthought. Woman being created second was not because she was secondary. It was because she was necessary. And we are the crown of creation. And so God is like, come on women, go back to your divine origin. Multiply everything you come in contact with. And I'm not even Talking about just marriage. Like, we multiply one another.

John (45:29)

Yeah.

Lisa Bevere (45:30)

We multiply family. We need women who are not about our rights to act like men, but the protection of the rights to act like women. You, you contrasted the trad wife with the boss babe earlier. I feel like it's always something in the middle.

John (45:47)

Yeah.

Lisa Bevere (45:48)

In the middle is the spirit. And when we look at the Proverbs 31 woman, she's. She's not a trad, but she's also not a boss babe. She's both. And that we need the empowerment of God and the renewing of our minds.

John (46:04)

I, that's so good. And I feel like what I'm. What I'm noticing in our culture today is that I see so much hate between women. Like, I see, you know, if you're this, if you're this type of woman, then you don't like this type of woman. If you're the stay at home, the stay at home mom is against the boss mom, and the boss mom is against the stay at home mom. And the. Just so much division. And in this book, you talk about the power that we can have if we're unified as women. If we're like, what does that look like to have unity amongst women? And what can we do as women that. That call themselves Christian, as women of God, what can we do to promote healthy unity amongst women so that we can have a healthier body of Christ? Because I do believe that we have more power than, than we're actually taking up in our role. So what can we do to have unity amongst women?

Lisa Bevere (47:11)

Well, we have to operate in the opposite spirit. We cannot compete. We need to actually use our strength to lift one another. And you know the quote that has been kind of the banner over my life ever since I discovered it was by Matthew Arnold, it says, if ever there comes a time when the women of the world come together purely and simply for the benefit of mankind, they will be a force such as the world has never known. So the truth is the feminists came together, but they did not come together for the benefit of mankind. They came together only for the benefit of women. And so God does not bless what does not benefit all. And so if we can come together purely and simply for the benefit of all, that means that we are going to have to be united in purpose, but we don't have to be same and accept expression. You know, my husband and I are one, but we are not same. You and I, I bet we have one heart, but we would have different approach. And we need to allow one another to be one with us without being same with us. And, and I, you know, I've had this incredible opportunity to speak to somebody that was so brilliant, it was almost hard to understand him. I'm like, okay, back that one up again for me. But he, he was saying he's Belgian and he was saying how his nation has been taken over by totalitarianism. And I was like, okay, what is that? Well, it's the policing of thought, policing of conversation, censoring of anything that disagrees with anybody else. It's a controlled narrative. And so I was like, well, what do we do?

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Lisa Bevere (52:16)

And he said, well, what you don't do is the protests and violence. He said, protests and violence. It justifies totalitarianism. And I said, well, okay, that's great. What do I do? And he said this clear, courageous, consistent conversations. And when he said that to me, and he's not even a Christian, when he said that to me, I thought, wait a minute. That's what the early church did. They went from house to house, they broke bread, and they fellowshiped. So, Megan, right now, you and I are having a conversation, but that doesn't mean that other women can't sit down and listen in our conversation. And then when the podcast is over, talk to one another and say, what were your thoughts about what Megan said? What were your thoughts about what Lisa said? Well, I'm not sure I agree with this. Well, what do you think about that? I mean, have conversations, not fights, while you're sitting on the toilet with your phone. Come on, let's, like, let's look at people. You know? You know, that's true.

John (53:20)

It is.

Megan Ashley (53:21)

It is.

John (53:22)

That's where I listen when I do finally respond to certain things. I am. That is exactly where I'm at. That's where I can do my best. Thinking is on the toilet.

Lisa Bevere (53:33)

You have three boys. I totally support that. My Boys used to like slide, slide nose underneath the water closet door. I'm like, no, leave me alone.

John (53:44)

Leave me alone.

Lisa Bevere (53:46)

This is a no go zone. But that isolation is a problem. And then also the fact that we have different vantages is not a problem. It's actually an answer. Like, John and I look at things very differently, but we both have the same heart. So he brings this perspective and I bring this perspective. And then together we find more of God's perspective, not even the totality of it. So you're a single mom and you have sons and you have this opportunity to tell your sons, your father, your father is going to have given you a, B and C. That is beautiful and good. But then you have to make a decision how you're going to live your life going forward. For me, when I first became a Christian, Megan, I found out. I found out that I had a new bloodline. I found out that God said to me, I looked at Josiah and I realized I can be. I can be the beginning of a thousand generations. My parents were, my dad, 100 Sicilian Gambino crime family on that side. My mom. My mom broken. Broken. Broken. Abandoned. Broken. Sexually abused, broken. My dad an alcoholic. My mom, bp, borderline personality disorder. Bpd. I'm crazy. And I said, all right, God, I. I do not want the inheritance of people. I want the legacy of the God most high. I. I'm gonna. I'm gonna go forward. And then I told my boys, I sat down with my boys and I said, I want, I want to tell you something. You have a grandfather who was brilliant. He was an architect. He could build anything. But he was an alcoholic. Redeem that. You had another great grandfather. You had a great grandfather who was on the Manhattan Project who was a brilliant chemist. But you know what? He was also an adulterer. So you know what? You can take the good and you can move forward with it. We need to be positioning our sons to recover the good and then move forward in God's best.

John (56:11)

I think what I love about everything that you're saying is that like, for me, I feel like the world is going to do what the world wants to do. Right? I'm not like, I'm not. I don't. I don't have. I have a great heart and empathy for the world and I pray, but I don't have much expectations for you to be like Christians if you're not a Christian. It's to the Christians that I, I have such a. Like, I grieve that we are the ones that are Arguing things that are not biblical. And so this is why I, I love your book, because it's going back to what the Word says that we are as women, not what the world says. And if we are calling ourselves women of God and we're calling ourselves Christians, then we need to be what the Word says that we are. We need to be who God called us to be and not conform because the Bible tells us don't conform to the patterns of this world. This is a pattern, and it's been a pattern since the beginning of time. And we are not called conform, but we are called to be new. And like you said, we are in a new bloodline now. We are called to renew our minds. We are called to be Christians and to follow Christ, to take up our cross, deny our flesh, and to be like Christ and to be who he called us to be. And I believe that we have so much more power and influence than we know that we do. And I just love. I just love all the things that you are saying. And it's putting. I think we are in a time where we need to be held accountable to who we say that we are. And if we're really going to call ourselves women of God and we're really going to call ourselves Christian, then we need to get back to who God called us to be and what he says that we are. And so I'm so grateful that you continue to say yes to the Lord and you continue to give us your wisdom and encourage us to be all that God called us to be with this book. What do you want? Like, what are your prayers the most? Like, I love that. Listen, this is what I Love about you, Ms. Lisa. I love that you are here for all the smoke. You're like, I don't care if you come at me. I don't care. I'm going to give you the truth. Y'all can say whatever you want to say. I love that about you, and I identify with that so much. But what do you want people to get from this book? And what are you looking forward to the most? Like, what are you looking forward to? The feedback. And, like, what do you want people to feel after they finish reading this?

Lisa Bevere (58:46)

So I want. I want people to recover their voice and courage. I feel like, and I said this earlier, but I feel like during the pandemic there was an outbreak of cowardice and people were so afraid. If I say this, then so. And so is going to be mad. And, and I mean, I, I would say I, I fell prey to that. I Never had Covid. But I did get cowardice. I mean I was like, well, I said this and they didn't like that and I said this and they. So I'll just either say no, I'll say nothing. And I was canceling myself. Megan. And when, when God says we have to speak up for those that have no voice, for those that are dying, for those that are vulnerable. And so I want to see women find their voice and then I want them to have courageous conversations with one another. I want them to not hide their kids. I want them to get involved with their kids life. I don't want them to listen to the counselor of fear because it is going to be counterproductive to raising a generation of warriors. I open up with the dream and I close with the do. And at every single chapter I tried to say what is one thing? Because it can be overwhelming. There are so many things. What is one thing you can do? What is one thing you, you can pray. Because spiritual warfare begins with humility. And I don't know if we realize that whenever a people say, all right, you know God, this is a mess, I'm mad at all these people, but, but guess what? I. God, I'm going to fall on my face and I'm going to cry out for your mercy. So spiritual warfare. We come to the place of. We humble ourselves, we submit to God, we resist the devil and then he flees. But we do need to be a people who know the word of God. There's, it's like I'm, I'm in shock, Megan. I'm in shock at a generation that they don't know the. I'm like, why would you even believe that? You don't, you don't know the word of God. And, and I, I love, I love that we want the Holy Spirit. But if the, if somebody is saying the Holy Spirit is saying something and it contradicts the word of God, it's, it's not, it's not the Holy Spirit. It's, it's, it's man. It's, it's something else. It's deception. And so we need people who are going to merge both spirit and truth, love and truth. And I want to see women activated people follow courage. And we have be. We have become cowards in the body of Christ.

John (61:17)

Yeah.

Lisa Bevere (61:18)

And we are seeing more courage in the progressive anti Christian movement than we are in the Christian movement. And, and again, kind, kind. The kindness of God led me to repentance, Megan. The kindness of God when I deserved it the least. When I was in my deepest pit.

John (61:41)

Yeah.

Lisa Bevere (61:41)

I'm singing at the top of my lungs AC dc I'm on the highway to hell. All of a sudden I realize, wait a minute, I am. He. He snatches me out when I said, I don't even know how to find you. He sends somebody. When my dad's an alcoholic and I run away to the dorm, I meet my husband at breakfast, and he shares the gospel. And the gospel is wrapped in love. It's not wrapped in condemnation. It is wrapped in love. And I knew my filth. Nobody knew how. Nobody had to tell me, girl, you're covered in filth. I was like, I, I. Yes. Yes, you're right. Thank you. Thank you. We need to preach love, but we. But we can't. We cannot neglect to preach truth.

John (62:28)

Yeah.

Lisa Bevere (62:29)

And that starts by us living it.

John (62:30)

Yeah. I've been reading the Book of Acts, because we have Acts 242 conference coming up, and I've been reading the Book of Acts, and I just finished reading, going. I have a Patreon community that we do Bible study every Tuesday night. And we've been going through Acts, and we just finished reading chapter six and seven. And Stephen has become such a hero to me because he. He gives the longest sermon in the. In the. In the Book of Acts. And Stephen is like, you know, we don't even. He's not Peter, John, he's not Paul. He's Stephen. And he gives the longest sermon that's recorded in the Book of Acts. And he's being persecuted and accused and lied on, and he. And he preaches with love because he calls them brothers and fathers. So he has love and respect. And he starts it off with glorifying God. And then at the end of it, he sees God's glory. And I just love how he moved. And I believe that we can do the same thing. Just be like, we don't have to have love or like. Or truth. We can have both. We can tell people the truth and still love them and still be kind and still be compassionate and still be empathetic. Because like you said, I knew. I knew how filthy I was. I know what the Lord has rescued me from. I know what he has saved me from. And when he saved me, like you said, he did it with kindness, but he never. He never wavered on the truth. He was kind to me. He was gentle. He was loving, but he was truthful. And I believe for Christians, like, yes, we have. What was so impactful with Stephen is that he was filled with the holy Spirit, which means that he. He was full of power and encourage. And we don't have to do it out of our own strength, but we can rely on the Holy Spirit to give us strength and power to speak truth in love and kindness. And I just want us all to. To do that. And I believe that your book is going to help encourage and empower us to do that. And so just thank you so much for that. Thank you.

Lisa Bevere (64:39)

My Bible says going through the Book of Acts right now, too, the one I attend.

John (64:44)

Okay.

Lisa Bevere (64:45)

And we were with you on Stephen. And one of the things I love about Steve is he didn't know that moment was coming. And Jesus said, when you stand before the religious leaders, the same, you don't even need to worry if the Holy Spirit's going to give you. He didn't have a Bible. He didn't. He'd have a New Testament. But here's. Here's the thing. We have too many performers and too few vessels. And Stephen was a vessel of the Holy Spirit. And we've got comfortable with performing and preaching a message that. That, yes, God will always anoint it because. Because it's the word. But where are the vessels? Where are the vessels? And. And I love. I had somebody. I did. I did a call yesterday, and somebody asked me. They were like, I, I. How do I speak with authority? Well, you know, John's the one that helped me with that, Megan. I went and spoke at a church, and I. I did the women's meeting, and the pastor asked me to stay and do Sunday morning. And I was really conflicted. I was like, are women allowed to do Sunday morning? I don't know. Maybe I'll go to hell if I preach on a Sunday morning. I just, like. It gets so confusing.

John (65:58)

Yes, it does. It does.

Lisa Bevere (66:00)

It's like, you may preach on Friday night and Saturday. Something happens between Sunday night and Sunday morning. And if men are. Everything's gone sideways. I was trying to do all the legalistic loopholes. And so I decided that I would. I would share and I would. I would say everything. Like it was a question, like, could it be that maybe God might want to possibly. And the pastor afterwards was like, you embarrassed me today. And he's like, you get it from the women, and you're all clear and you're all bold, and you get up on my Sunday morning, and people are like, what? What is she saying? And so I came home and I felt like a victim. I told John, I've never even preached my own church. But, you know, John was like, Lisa, it said that Jesus spoke as one who had authority. And he said, when you don't speak with authority, you're speaking like a Pharisee. And he said the Pharisees questioned everything. And he said, you need to preach the gospel that you know, not something you read on somebody else's page. Or. He said, if you know it, there will be authority in your V voice. And it doesn't mean you have to be loud, but you have to say it. Where there's periods and there's exclamation marks instead of questions. And. And we as the people of God, we need to stop putting question marks where God is like, that needs to be a period. That needs to be a new chapter. That needs. Like, that needs to be settled. Let's not keep going milk. Let's. Let's move on. Let's move on to the next level. Let's not just keep getting saved every other week. Let's. Let's now begin to build on that foundation, you know, and instead, I mean, I'm thinking about. I know I saw something. You know, you go through Pinterest and you think, oh, that's good. And then you see someone like, here's how to manifest. And I'm like, oh, what has happened? But I immediately thought, for this purpose was God manifest. Meaning came from heaven and he came to earth where we could touch and behold and see how we would interact and know how our Father would interact. For this purpose was the Son of God manifest that we would destroy. That he would destroy the works of the evil one. And so he sent a pattern for you and I. He said, in my name, cast out demons.

John (68:25)

What?

Lisa Bevere (68:26)

Yes, there's demons, people in my name. Cast out demons in my name. Heal the sick. And that can mean anything. That can mean sick in mind, sickened body, sick and hard. You know, I. In my name. You know, this is what we need to do it in his name, not our name, not pointing towards ourself. And then we're vessels.

John (68:49)

That's good. At the end of all of my episodes, I try to give a journal prompt because I do believe that we are in a time where we're so opinionated without actually processing what did we hear?

Unknown (69:02)

What?

John (69:02)

Like, instead of just having a. A reaction to it. And I think going through and like, processing can help you respond to what you hear instead of just reacting to what you hear, because your flesh wants you to just react and just, oh, I don't like that. You know, I don't like this. I don't. That makes Me uncomfortable. I don't like that. But I like to do journal prompts at the end of my episodes so that people can actually process and then you can actually receive, respond and, and with wisdom and not just react. So after this episode, what would be a good journal prompt to help people actually process and, and have a healthy respond to the wisdom and truth that they heard here?

Lisa Bevere (69:47)

I would say, I would ask the Holy Spirit to show you what the one area is where you need to renew your mind. I just. An unrenewed mind leads to perverse conversations, leads to perverse pathways, leads to perverse actions, and renew your mind. And then here's the thing. You know, I've been a Christian now for 42, 43 years, something like that. We had awkward moments, but we also had moments where we understood there was sacred. And where can you create some sacred space in your life for God's presence, for his word, for his worship, and not just make it about going to church services, but getting in the presence of God when it's uncomfortable and staying there until he speaks to you. Reading the word to the Lord reads you. Those kind of things are so crucial in our life right now.

John (70:51)

Thank you so much, so, so much for just this time and just coming on to In Totality. Everyone, like I said, that has been watching me knows how much I love you guys and it just means so much to me and so thank you and I can't wait to meet you in person and, and actually get to meet you and hug you and just tell you how much I love you and I just appreciate you and thank you and I'm so excited for your new book. And make sure you guys check this out. Check out the Fight for female. It's going to be in the description below the links where you can purchase the book. I would highly recommend that you read it with some friends. Read it with your mom, read it with your sisters, read it even with your, your spouse or of male. I think it's healthy too. Read it with someone, discuss it, have the hard conversations, have the, the hard dialogue, but be blessed by this truth. And yeah, thank Ms. Lisa. I love you so much.

Lisa Bevere (71:49)

I love it and I can't wait till we meet.

John (71:51)

Oh, thank you so much.

Megan Ashley (71:52)

All right, guys, we'll see you on.

John (71:53)

The next episode of In Totality.

Megan Ashley (71:55)

It's been real. We love you guys.

John (71:58)

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