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Hey, I'm Kalpen, and on my new podcast, here We Go Again, we'll take today's trends and headlines and ask, why does history keep repeating itself? Each week, I'm calling up my friends like Bill Nye, Lilly Singh, and Pete Buttigieg to talk about everything from the space race to movie remakes to psychedelics. Put another way, are you high? Look, the world can seem pretty scary right now, but my goal here is for you to listen and feel a little better about the future. Listen and subscribe to Here We Go Again with Kal Penn on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts from. The dark corners of the web. An emerging mindset. I am a loser. If I was a woman, I wouldn't date me either. A hidden world of resentment, cynicism, anger against women at a deadly tipping point. Incels will be added to the terrorism guide. I see literally zero hope. This is Incels, a production of KT Studios and iHeartRadio. Season 1, Episode 5 From Victim to Violence so we're injured by women's beauty and so men often see rape as getting even. Did you get any? Did she put out? She has. He wants, he gets or he takes. There's plenty of guys out there who hate women and they do just fine. Okay? We don't live in some just world. Are you also complete genetic trash with no redeeming qualities? I'm Courtney Armstrong, a producer at KT Studios with Stephanie Lydecker, Gabriel Castillo, Connor Powell and Carolyn Miller. Last episode we heard from three self described Incels. Hopelessness was a reoccurring theme and the loneliness was palpable. We found them mostly through Facebook and Reddit. But reaching another corner of the community proved harder. Men who gather in darker online spaces with angrier, more hostile perspectives. Investigative journalist Connor Powell reminds us why this divide exists on INCEL discussion board INCEL Co or INCEL is those names are all anonymous. They don't use the real names. In fact, there was a whole discussion thread about how you can best protect yourself, about protecting your identity, so that you can essentially post as angrily, as obscene as you want without having to have any repercussions. And I think you see a lot more abusive language, a lot more sort of obscene language on this INCEL website. Online anonymity means no repercussions for being nasty. Add all this together and you get what psychologists call the online disinhibition effect. And effectively, it dictates that people will do things online that they wouldn't do in the real world. Because of the strict anonymity and security on these forums, we weren't able to speak directly with the men, but we wanted you to hear their own words. It's important to understand exactly what's being discussed and internalized by young men. Connor shares some of these conversations and forum posts with crime analyst BodyMovin. Listener warning Some of the language you'll hear in this episode is offensive. When you look at some of the posts, there are some that are sort of indicative of the conversations that are happening regular. And this is just what I found Yesterday the headline of this thread is called which type of women do you hate more ugly women or pretty women. And you know, the first pose is well that's a difficult question for me to answer. I hate both to be honest. And then the thread conversation goes sort of, sort of self loathing to loathing of the women. One person says, you know, both would tear me apart because the moment I show any interest and try to make a move, they would sort of destroy me. It sort of goes back and forth but it's all very derogatory towards the women. It's, it's about the ugly women are the cruelest or the pretty women are the cruelest. This type of conversation is what you see play out really in almost every thread on this discussion board. Viewing it from the outside, it's almost like they like this self hatred and they want to wallow in it. But there's other ones about. Like it pisses me off how men pay for everything is the norm. And then there's a whole discussion about how much these members on this website hate how men are responsible for pain, for dates, for mortgages, nights out, and about women sort of being useless. The men are responsible everything and it's very much the men are the victim. And that's what you see time and time again. So on one hand they're complaining they're not dating, right? And on the other hand they're complaining that if they do date they're going to have to pay for it too. Exactly, exactly. We spoke with a self identified incel who goes by Brian about his experiences with dating, feeling taken advantage of and rejection. It's a glimpse at how real world pain can spill over and sometimes twist into the anger we see on these forums. When you're young, you're always trying. I mean it's just testosterone hormones. When you're young you feel like you, you need a woman. I always tried, I'd go to nightclubs, I tried dating sites and things like that and nothing was working. And I had some success but it was not real success. The kind of women that I would get and it didn't happen often, but the kind that I did, they would always have a ulterior motive like they would want money or something like that or you know, they want to constantly go out so that you can afford their lifestyle, you know what I mean? We asked Brian if he had an example of a woman having the kind of ulterior motive he described. I'll give you an example. I did go on a. I can't Even call it a date that tells you how bad it is for me because it was more like a scam. I went out with a woman and we went to see a movie and that went well. Of course it went well because you don't have to talk. And after I didn't know what to do and she kind of took charge and she's like, let's go drinking. So I went, I went drinking with her and then she invited her sister to come and I don't even think it was really her sister. And we didn't really talk. They just party and by the end of the night I got the bill for all the drinks. I mean, nothing happened. They just party together and drank and you know, by the end of the night I ended up paying like 300 bucks for. You know what I mean? Like, that's, that's been my experience and that was years ago. That's the kind of experiences I've had. I never got a chance to really get to know or love him and they never got the chance to get to know me. Here's Dr. Rob Whitley. He is a professor of psychiatry at McGill University and has been studying men's mental health for over 20 years. He wrote a book called Men's Issues and men's Mental Health. Dr. Whitley talks about why incels may in fact be less desirable in the dating pool, as in being looked over is not in their imagination. There's another factor which is very relevant to this discussion which is that of gender related mating preferences or dating preferences. The average man and the average woman has a template in mind about who is the ideal partner. And if we look at female dating preferences, there is research that shows that the type of profile that the typical incel meets is very low in terms of desirability for female dating preferences. Dr. Whitley breaks it down, looking at why some men actually may be shut out or overlooked when it comes to dating. Many incels have a lower level of education, many of them are unemployed, many of them have mental health issues. Whereas female dating prefetas and male dating prefetas are typically looking for somebody who's employed, who's successful, who's well established, perhaps who's involved in sports or has a certain type of masculinity and a certain type of physicality and a certain type of energy. And the incels do not fit that profile. And therefore their interpretation that society is a difficult place for them is matched by the social scientific research in terms of searching for and accomplishing and achieving romantic or sexual relationships. We continued speaking with experts from different fields about how dating, both the reality and idea of it, shapes the incel world. Here's Dr. Sarah Daly, whose work on incels began from an unexpected research path that led her here. I had Ph.D. and master's degree in criminal justice and while I was in my doctoral program I studied mass shootings. I started this around the time of Sandy Hook and I eventually became kind of really exhausted by that. It's emotional work. So as I was thinking about something to pivot to, I came back to thinking about how many men are mass shooters were really like aggrieved and targeted women When I came across incels in 2018 and I initially started on their sites and since then I've been interviewing a lot of incels. I published a lot of articles. I've briefed local, state and federal agencies about it. Dr. Daly continues with her thoughts on incels dating and how early expectations around love can become damaging when when they go unmet. I think men and women alike are are told from a very young age that when you grow up you'll meet somebody, you'll get married. I think that's typically been viewed as a woman's stereotype, right. That we look forward to our wedding day. But I think wanting to be paired and be loved is, is a natural human response. And when that doesn't happen, you're missing major milestones in Connor continues reading excerpts from INCEL forums, even in the language they use, you can hear how missing key life milestones could lead to a kind of arrested development, a more adolescent way of expressing themselves. Well then you also see people sort of trying to control their urges. And one of the threads I came across was it was entitled Thinking about sex all the time is a normie faggot trait. And then you sort of see them as they try to push back and not engage with women and not engage with their sexual desires that then they also attacking themselves and people who have relationships and sex. And then it loops back to I don't even want to be a part of those groups and societies, but they also do want to be a part of those groups and societies. Lets stop here for a break. We'll be back in a moment. In the new podcast Hell in Heaven, two young Americans move to the Costa Rican jungle to start over. But one will end up dead, the other tried for murder. Not once people went wild, not twice, stunned, but three times. John and Ann Bender are rich and attractive and they're devoted to each other. They create a nature reserve and build a spectacular circular home high on the top of a hill. 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You may know me as the second hottest actor from the Harold and Kumar movies, but I'm also an author, a White House staffer, and as of like 15 seconds ago, a podcast host. Along the way, I've made some friends who are experts in science, politics, and pop culture. And each week one of them will be joining me to answer my burning questions, like, are we heading towards another financial crash? Like in 08, is non monogamy back in style? And how come there's never a gate ready for your flight when it lands, like two minutes early, we've got guests like Pete Buttigieg, Stacey Abrams, Lilly Singh, and Bill Nye. When you start weaponizing outer space, things can potentially go really wrong. Look, the world can seem pretty scary right now, because it is. But my goal here is for you to listen and feel a little better about the future. Listen and subscribe to Here We Go Again with Kal Penn on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Dr. Michael Kimmel is a professor emeritus of sociology and gender studies at Stony Brook University in New York. He's written extensively about masculinity, and his books include Manhood in America, Guy Land, and Angry White Men. The last one explores why so many American men feel angry and how that frustration connects to incel culture and the challenges they face in dating and relationships. They're now starting to think, well, what's wrong? Why have I not been able to do that? Now, prior to the year, say, 2000, these guys would have been sitting alone, miserable, going to a bar. Perhaps they're the guys who would have been yelling at the walls of a subway station at 2 in the morning. But now there's social media, now there's the Internet. And instead of yelling in the abandoned subway station, they yell on the Internet and some other guy comes along and go, oh, yeah, man, I feel your pain. I think this, you know, the reason is because those women, I'll, they, I will refrain from using the kind of words that they would use. Those women just won't let you get any. It's their fault. So now you have something that was missing 25 years ago, and what was missing was social support. And it's social support from other men for this struggle. Strange idea that I am not getting what I'm entitled to, and it's their fault. Dr. Kimmel explains what contributed to the emergence of incel identity and the sense of entitlement that often goes along with it. It's a collision of two phenomena. One is the fact that girl power and women are far more sexually aware, agentic out there in the public sphere. They're not quiet, they're not demure, they're loud and proud, and it's fantastic. They've entered every workplace arena. And so women's presence, women's sexuality, women's ownership of their sexuality means that women know that they can like sex and want it. Now, that's one thing. The other piece is the dominant emotional experience of incels is what I call aggrieved. Entitlement. And let me look at each of those words because I think that the idea of the incel idea, the founding ideology, is entitlement. Dr. Kimmel shares an experience that first sparked his thinking of aggrieved entitlement. He was on a TV talk show opposite four white men who believed that they were the victims of reverse discrimination in the workplace. They shared stories about how they were qualified for jobs they didn't get, and Dr. Kimmel was brought on to respond to them. The title of this particular episode of the show was a quote from one of the men, A black Woman Stole my Job. So when it was my turn to speak, I just said, I have one question for you guys about this, and it's about the title of the show, A Black Woman Stole My Job. Actually, I want to know about the word my. Where did you get the idea it was your job? Why isn't the title A Black Woman Got the Job or A Black Woman Got a Job? Because without confronting men's sense of entitlement, we'll never understand why so many men believe that gender equality is a zero sum game and that if women win, men are going to lose. Now that's what entitlement sounds like. I, as a man was, in a benign sort of way, I was, you know, raised to believe that one day I will fall in love, get married and have children. And that sort of includes having sex. And in a less benign way, you might quote the President, you know, grab them by the pussy, they let you do it. You're entitled to women's bodies. You're entitled to access to women's bodies. He discusses the language many men use when describing women's beauty and how those word choices can reinforce the idea that women are manipulative, dangerous, or somehow out to get men. Years and years ago, a really, really smart journalist wrote a book called Men on Rape. And he talked about how the metaphors we use to describe women's beauty, very many of them, are words of violence against men. She's a knockout, a bombshell, dressed to kill, right? So we're injured by women's beauty. And so men often see rape as getting even. Like we're, you've done a violence to us just by being hot and gorgeous and accessible and wearing a short skirt or what. So that, that's an injury to us. Now we're one down. We have to get even. And getting even means taking what we want. Did you get any? Did she put out? She has, he wants, he gets or he takes. That's what entitlement sounds like. Sexual entitlement means you have something I want, and if I want it, I'm going to get it. And that's why some of these men actually believe, for example, that rape or sexual assault is really just dating by another term. Connor shares another excerpt from an incel forum with crime analyst Body Moven. One of the ones I'm looking at right now is again, the thread is called if you don't have at least a 7.3 inch cock, no Freud will ever have sex with you. Even if she has that void will never be satisfied. The conversation then sort of devolves into a whole back and forth about sex, whether or not the women would ever be happy. These conversations just go all over the place. But all of the language is just pretty offensive, which goes back to what we were talking about. Why they are so concerned about having their true identities pop up is that they know that this stuff, if it got out, generally could do damage to their real world Personas, their jobs, their families, their relationships. Then perception is that they just simply want to live in this online space one way and live in the real world another way. It's almost like the real world is their mask, right? What I find interesting too is the transition from Stacey's to foids. It really dehumanizes women. Okay, so they were Stacy's in. The transition to Freud's is interesting. It's female humanoid. It really kind of depersonalizes these women in my mind. That's what I think of when I hear the term void. It's just very depersonalized, you know, it's almost like we're not people. Dr. David Lee is a clinical psychologist, sex therapist and writer. He further explains voids and how the use of that term perpetuates misogyny and hatred. One of the ones that I think is a little sad and really, really, really emphasizes the core misogyny here is that they oftentimes in the incel community refer to women as foid and that means female humanoid. Because they don't want to give them the, the benefit, the credit of being a person, of being humans. And I think that that just really underscores how much misogyny, hatred and fear of women is driving so much of the incel community. Language is important, especially when it starts getting thrown around repeatedly. For young boys, 11, 12, 14 years old to ingest and start using, it can begin to shape young worldviews dangerously. Here again, Dr. Sarah Daly, who holds a PhD in criminal justice, she talks about the link between Victimhood and violence. I think if we think about incel violence, relative to the number of incels online, it's not a lot, which I think we're, we're lucky about, but, I mean, any act of violence is too much. But most of the incels online share this notion of victimhood and frustration and loneliness. And when we look at the ones who have committed violence from their manifestos, from their posts, the ones who we've seen that have committed violence are the ones who have moved all of their anger outward, right? Lots of incels view themselves as being ugly or weird or not worthy. But the most infamous incels who've committed violence directed their anger outwards. It is at women, it's at society, it's at everyone who bullied them. So like all the other perpetrators of mass violence, their attack becomes like an act of revenge and an act of strength after a lifetime of being viewed as weak. Elliot Roger is an incel who murdered six innocent people and injured 14 more in 2014. He left behind a lengthy written manifesto and posted a retribution video to YouTube before he took his own life to end the rampage. All those popular kids who live such lives of hedonistic plague, while I've had to rot in loneliness for all these years, they've all looked down upon me. I'll be a God exacting my retribution and all those who deserve it, and you do deserve it, just for the crime of living a better life than me. All you popular kids, you've never accepted me, and now you'll all pay for it. Sickeningly, Roger is held up as an icon, a hero, referred to as a literal saint by some incels. Dr. Daly continues, referencing Roger's impact. Victimhood is the common bond with incels. As much as he wants to be a very alpha male in this, right, saying that women should be caged in things, think he wants to be seen as a victim. And so incels that do view him in this way understand this lifetime of hurt and this lack of friendship. And unfortunately, this is a part of American culture that when you are not viewed as a strong man, a gun, right? And killing people is viewed as an act of strength, we as a society know better. But for those people who are homicidal violent, this is an act of revenge. And if we look at societally, you know, strong men, we look at men who are violent. Action movies. Rambo, right? Take your pick. So this is kind of an act of violent masculinity. Connor and Bodi discuss a final thread from the incel forums that Illuminates the profound self loathing common in incel communities and what that can lead to. There's a thread that says, are you also complete genetic trash with no redeeming qualities? I have no self worth. I have no value to society. You know, I spoke to one person who said, I try to stay off of these websites because they bring me down, they make me feel worse, they make me hate women more, but they also make me hate myself more as well. Right. Because it's feeding. Right. It's like self sustaining hatred. It's feeding that negative energy. Yeah. I mean, the genetic trash comment, it just shows a complete lack of self worth on their side. And so you see them sort of attacking themselves, but then taking that anger and frustration about themselves and their self worth out on women as well. Viewing it from the outside, it's almost like they like this self hatred and they want to wallow in it. Exactly, exactly. It's victimhood too. I think victimhood is a big talking point when it comes to incels. They want to be the victim. It's real easy to say I'm not successful in life because I'm a victim. Instead of actually trying and failing and trying and failing and trying and succeeding. Right. You have to keep trying. And it's so much easier to sit back in your computer chair and be like, it's none of this is my fault. I'm the victim. To that point, there were discussions on Facebook and Reddit about people trying to better themselves. And you saw self described incels as offering advice and support in that effort. I can't find any of that type of support. And advice on incel is. It is all just vitriolic hatred. Let's stop here for another break. We'll be back in a moment. In the new podcast Hell in Heaven, two young Americans move to the Costa Rican jungle to start over. But one will end up dead, the other tried for murder not once. People went wild, not twice, stunned, but three times. John and Anne Bender are rich and attractive. Attractive. And they're devoted to each other. They create a nature reserve and build a spectacular circular home high on the top of a hill. But little by little, their dream starts to crumble and our couple retreat from reality. They lose it. 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You may know me as the second hottest actor from the Harold and Kumar movies, but I'm also an author, a White House staffer, and, as of like 15 seconds ago, a podcast host. Along the way, I've made some friends who are experts in science, politics, and pop culture. And each week one of them will be joining me to answer my burning questions, like, are we heading towards another financial crash? Like in 08? Is non monogamy back in style? And how come there's never a gate ready for your flight when it lands, like, two minutes early? We've got guests like Pete Buttigieg, Stacey Abrams, Lilly Singh, and Bill Nye. When you start weaponizing outer space, things can potentially go really wrong. Look, the world can seem pretty scary right now, because it is. But my goal here is for you to listen and feel a little better about the Future Listen and subscribe to Here We Go Again with Kal Penn on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Dr. David Ley sheds light on how the victimhood mentality can evolve from self pity to hostility. These communities, they have flavors of what philosophers call Gnosticism, where they promote the idea that they and they alone hold secret knowledge. Gnosticism is a real core philosophical principle under the blue pill, red pill kind of concept. But what's fascinating is that rather than this secret knowledge making these incels more powerful or healthier, instead the secret knowledge that they are being fed is that they are victims and that their value in the community comes from acknowledging this victimhood. One of the things that has been fascinating over the past couple of years is that we've now identified that there are people who use victimhood identity as a manipulative tool to manipulate others. We see it a lot online and many of the people that embrace this victimhood identity have what we call the dark triad personality personality characteristics. These are antisocial traits. So not following the rules and not having empathy for other people. Narcissism, viewing yourself as being particularly special, and Machiavellianism, being manipulative towards others. And as people in those dark triad characteristics become more vocal in these online communities and become more powerful, they encourage and promote violence as an answer and a response to that victimhood. So they use the victimhood identity and then violence to manipulate and whip up these folks in dangerous and unhealthy ways. We've seen it in incel communities where men are encouraged towards greater misogyny, violent hatred towards women, and even to scientists and researchers like me who challenge their beliefs. Here again, Dr. Michael Kimmel, who breaks down the manosphere and the largely toxic ideas it's spreading with widely to men and boys in a continual outpouring on social media. The manosphere is a fairly substantial section of the Internet. That is, you know, the overall picture. The Internet is a marvel. You know, if you have a rare disease, you can put out a call and suddenly 200 people from all over the world will say, oh, I have the same condition. It's amazing. You have an instant support group. But just as it's miraculous in that way, it also provides support for all manner of crazy ideas, all manner of misinformation, disinformation. One of the more pernicious parts of that is to look for others to blame. If you're unhappy, it must be somebody else's fault. And there are hundreds of thousands of people who will tell you whose fault it is besides yours? Now, the manosphere is a particularly gendered space where men are encouraging each other, complaining to each other, offering support to each other. True. But also finding people that they can blame for their situation. Luis is a self identifying incel who speaks with us about how men, especially young men, are being lured into the manosphere. They feel hopeless, reach out for solace and find community. But too often that path leads to idolizing so called alpha males like misogynist Andrew Tate. Tate is a former MMA fighter who has been charged with rape, human trafficking and forming an organized criminal group to sexually exploit women. Tate also sells dating schemes tied to pickup artistry to men insecure about their status and masculinity. He has more than 10 million followers on X alone. Here's Luis Insoles were former pickup artists, which is very interesting. There's actually research on that on pickup artist forums when Internet traffic and user bases were going down. On incel forums that were, they were going up. So there's a pickup artist to incel pipeline. So you can imagine like a young man who's like struggling with women, goes into pickup artistry and all that they do all those like stupid manipulative tactics that they use, doesn't work and then boom, they become an incel. People call Andrew Tate an incel. Like Incels. Hate all those. I hate those people. Those people suck. So that's one misconception, that it's not a guy who hates women. Look, I hate to say this, there's plenty of guys out there who hate women and they do just fine. You know, that's just the unfortunate reality, okay? We don't live in some just world. And there are plenty of guys who don't hate women and they're virgins. We've heard how isolation and victimhood can grow into violence, loneliness into identity and resentment into community. This echo chamber is only getting louder. Next time we'll step into the broader world of the manosphere, from online influencers to self proclaimed alpha males. We'll look at how their messages are reaching literally hundreds of millions of men and boys and what that means for the rest of us. For more information on the case and relevant photos, follow us on Instagram tstudios. Incels is produced by Stephanie Lydecker, Gabriel Castillo and me, Courtney Armstrong. Additional producing by Connor Powell and Caroline Miller Editing by Jeff to music by Vanicore Studios. Incels is a production of KT Studios and iHeartRadio. For more podcasts like this, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Johnny Knoxville here. Check out Crimeless Hillbilly Heist, my new true crime podcast from Smartless Media, Campside Media and big money players. It's the true story of the almost perfect crime and the nimrods who almost pulled it off. It was kind of like the perfect storm in a sewer. That was dumb. Do not follow my example. Listen to Crimeless Hillbilly Heist on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. The Big Take podcast from Bloomberg News keeps you on top of the biggest stories of the day. My fellow Americans, this is Liberation Day. Stories that move markets. Chair Powell opened the door to this first interest rate cut, impact politics, change businesses. This is a really stunning development for the AI world and how you think about your bottom line. Listen to the big take from Bloomberg News every weekday afternoon on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Karen and Georgia, and we just celebrated our 500th episode of My Favorite Murder. That's 500 podcasts filled with true crime comedy and some light girl math. We're about to podcast for you. Watch this. We have to think of something to say after welcome every week. And we're doing it every week for 10 years. Almost 10 years. 10 years. 10. That's what 500 episodes sounds like. New episodes every Thursday. Listen to My favorite murder on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Goodbye. Hey, I'm Kal Penn, and on my new podcast, Here We Go Again, we'll take today's trends and headlines and ask, why does history keep repeating itself? 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