Paul Rykoff (2:14)

I don't think it does. I mean, I think it gives him some political relief. I think it'll give the markets some relief. But it looks like you're kicking the can down the road. So sometime in the future they're going to give up their moratorium on enrich uranium again and then we're going to have to do this all over again, which is what it feels like we've been doing for 20 years. And I think, you know, I think the President and the White House are hoping that folks forgot the goal. The goal was supposed to be to remove the regime, to get rid of the uranium, to keep the strait open, to destroy their military. And I don't think they've accomplished any of those four goals which have been many moving targets. Well, if you look at the President,

Interviewer (2:43)

explain it away, said on day one all of his goals, the only one you could say that maybe was accomplished or has been accomplished is eliminating their navy. Right? Yeah, because he went through a whole list. The others, to your point, work in progress at best. Right.

Paul Rykoff (2:55)

And bad guys are still in charge. Right. I think that's the problem here. Normalize, you know, negotiations with people who just shot tens of thousands of their own people in the streets. So, you know, a couple weeks ago they were our enemies and they killed 13Americans. Now we're going to sit down and negotiate with them. It just seems inconsistent. And I think what most of the world wants to see and especially the Iranian people that I talk to, is they want to see the regime out. So is he giving up on that goal entirely? And if he is, what's going to happen in the future? Because until the regime is removed, they're going to continue to be a bad actor that we can't trust that will manipulate the Strait of Hormuz and has enriched uranium. So the important question is we're going to where is the enriched uranium is even secure?

Interviewer (3:31)

Are we going to go in and get it?

Paul Rykoff (3:33)

Are we going to.

Interviewer (3:33)

Yeah, I mean there's leave it there

Paul Rykoff (3:34)

on the table to send boots on the ground that he's apparently considering in the past couple of weeks. What happened to that? That's a really important question because that's the threat that they named and we have to know the status of that threat every day.

Interviewer (3:44)

You think Iran at the end of the day ends up with not a military win, but a strategic win out of this. How would you describe it? Like here I'm looking at some of Iran's, you know, request they supposedly put out a 14 point peace plan, withdraw all the US forces, release their frozen assets, lift the sanctions Reparations, I think it's fair to say they're probably not getting this. They're probably not getting a bunch of this. But even if they got some of this, that could Iran be the one that ends up coming away from this with a strategic victory or at least a wash? And if so, that's not that. That wouldn't be a good situation, would it, for the US this is a

Paul Rykoff (4:21)

really good deal for Iran, when you look at that.

Interviewer (4:24)

Well, if they get it, they probably won't get all that.

Paul Rykoff (4:25)

If they get any of it, really, it's still a pretty good deal for Iran. I mean, the idea that we'd even consider removing US Forces, we'd give them all their money back, and then you're just feeding the regime again, and then you're kicking the can down the road to a year from now, five years from now, 10 years from now, they continue to say that they are a nuke threat to the region and to the United States. Until that threat is removed, it's still on the table and it's incomplete and I would argue a failure by their own measurement, because that's why they said they were. They had to go in now. There was an imminent threat. And that imminent threat doesn't seem to have been eliminated because the regime hasn't been eliminated. As long as the bad guys are in place, we're still going to have a problem.

Interviewer (5:02)

The sense here we ask this of my military guests over the last few days about this. It's interesting. It's split some, and I always wonder whether it's what people think is going to happen or what they want to happen when you ask questions like this. But is the sense here that the fighting is over, that Trump wants out, you know, pretty much at all costs, he'll cut some sort of a deal. But the idea of offensive military operations in Iran, from the US Point of view, that, that that's done. Do you think?

Paul Rykoff (5:26)

I mean, he always says he doesn't leave anything off the table.

Interviewer (5:29)

I know.

Paul Rykoff (5:29)

So I hope in this case especially, he doesn't leave anything off the table, because right now it looks like he's folding. I mean, if you look at the Iranians, what they are taking is the approach that many have taken, that if you just wait out, the Americans, public support will fall, they'll quit, and they'll pull out. Right. Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq. And they've said that to the world that we know Trump's going to qu. So they're calling his bluff. And if he gives them any of these concessions or anything like it, I think they can reasonably declare a victory if only because they're still there. Right. If you're still negotiating with a group of people who are controlling that place and repressing their people and removing civil rights from people and human rights from people, that's a win for them because they live to fight another day.

Interviewer (6:07)

Well, let's think about what most people were saying before this began. A couple of months ago, there were the list of objectives on the US Side, which, as I pointed out a few moments ago, maybe one, the elimination of the Navy has been accomplished. But a lot of people came on at the beginning of the war and said the only objective for Iran was to survive. And it looks like survival is likely now.

Paul Rykoff (6:28)

I think there's a really important barometer here. The Iranian people, I think the Iranian people will tell us when all the leaders are dead. When you see the Iranian people taking back their society, when you see them coming out in the streets, when you see them communicating to the world, because think about how they've almost been entirely on a media lockdown. When we start to hear from leaders from within Iran that there is a change and that the leadership has been removed, then we can start to believe it. But until then, you know, we've got to trust but verify. We've got to see what's actually happening on the ground. There very few voices coming out of Iran right now.

Interviewer (6:55)

There are. And the idea of, you know, the public rising up against the supreme leader or anybody else, that seems, you know, far fetched at this point, do you

Paul Rykoff (7:04)

think, or it doesn't look likely. I mean, if I'm an Iranian civilian who wants democracy, I'm going to keep my head down because it doesn't look like the folks who just killed tens of thousands of people a couple months ago are gone. And I think that's ultimately what we want to see, is a democratic Iran. You want to see the people taking charge and America not having to decide their and having a peaceful leader that we can negotiate with. But we're nowhere near that right now. And again, if I'm Iran, I'm celebrating the ability to wait Trump out, let gas prices go up, let the public opinions fall, know that a midterm election is coming out and just wait him out.

Interviewer (7:36)

All right, Paul, as always, thank you. We'll talk to you next week. Paul Rykoff

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