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A pulp MX Network production. A cerebral and experienced look into the racing action from the week that was. This is Industry Seating with Jason Thomas. Presented by Guts Racing Pro, Glow Wash Works, Connection, Fast Foundry, TL Speed Shop, Grandstone Boots and Fly Racing. Welcome to the Industry Seating podcast. My name is Jason Thomas. I'm guessing you already knew that if you have listened to this show before. I'm the only one on it. So, yeah, welcome to my podcast and I apologize. It's been a week or two since I've done this, so. Looking forward to this. We're going to talk about what we saw at the last round of Monster Energy Supercross, which was last night. I'm recording this on Sunday, April 6th. So we were in Foxborough, Massachusetts, and it's about, I don't know, 40 minutes south of Boston. So it's in the greater Boston area. It's where the New England Patriots play football and it's a pretty cool venue. This weekend, not so much. It was a really difficult weekend for Supercross. If you watched the race, which I'm sure you did, otherwise you probably wouldn't be listening to this. You saw how bad it was. You saw the mud, you saw how challenging it was for the racers in. Honestly, it's a part of it. It is. It's not my favorite. I hated it as a racer. It's not my favorite as a fan or as a broadcaster. But it is a part of whether it's pro motocross or Monster Supercross, this is a part of the sport. And we haven't really had a, a bad mud race since San Francisco 2024. So it's been, it's been a pretty good run. And you, you can almost kind of count on one each year now. This week, this year might be the outlier. You know, we've been pretty lucky. We might get a few. You know, if you look at Philadelphia's forecast next weekend, it looks awful. And who knows, who knows what East Rutherford and Pittsburgh and Denver and Salt Lake will look like to wrap this Supercross series up. It could be, it could be horrific down the stretch now, let's hope not, because that's, that's a real drag. It's really expensive for teams to, to have a mud race. They have to replace everything. And if you think about doing that multiple times, some of the guys, some of the teams are just going to throw their hands up and say, we can't even afford it. Like, we can't afford to keep building new race bikes each week. And you start looking at it, hey, just, just run a stock bike. Just put a stock motorcycle on the track and we'll just put stock parts on it. Like I think if it got to a certain point they would truly consider that option. And we're nowhere near that. I'm just saying like worst case scenarios, that would be an interesting thing to hear. It's like, yeah, we just, we ran out of, we ran out of works parts and it was getting too expensive. So if it's just going to be mud, we're just going to run stock. I can see like definitely some of the satellite teams, you know, a team like Quad Lock, Honda or something like that totally could understand that. And honest. And in the end it's much more reliable. You know, a production motorcycle in stock trim is engineered and designed to be as bulletproof as possible. That's their goal. You know, they want performance. Yes, because they have bike tests and you need the consumer to like the motorcycle, but they also have a duty to make the, the motorcycle last a very long time without needing an overhaul. You know, it has to be a little bit foolproof for people that don't know what they're doing for lack of a better term. So a stock motorcycle in the mud is going to be a much safer bet than a full blown factory bike. A factory bike in the mud is like a time bomb. They are, they have compromised all of their reliability for performance. And there's always a fine line, especially the 250s. They know kind of what the bike can withstand in the drive, but they don't really know in the mud. They don't do a bunch of endurance testing with temperatures far past what they're engineered for, you know, they, it's a guessing game. And if you heard Rich Simmons from Monster Yamaha Star Racing in the very beginning of the show talking about like, we can have motorcycle issues and I was running around so I wasn't listening to the interview, but I know what the gist was and that's kind of what he was alluding to is we don't really know. Like the, the big risk here is our bikes fail because this isn't what we build them for. You know, we don't, we don't test and put a lot of, you know, endurance hours on our motorcycles in this type of condition. So we're crossing our fingers. And when you're going for championships, crossing your fingers is not a, that's not a great dynamic to, to be facing. I want to thank the sponsors of this podcast really quickly. 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But I think the trophy truck side is kind of a once in a lifetime type experience. Grandstone boots they have me always looking my best. Great product and can can't thank them enough. And of course fly racing. Thank you to everybody for being a part of this podcast. So let's jump into this thing and I mentioned Chan Thimas. He leads us off. He wins his first ever 250 main event and let's be honest, he, he really needed this, he needed to, to get this win and to get some positive momentum. And I'm not saying like contract wise because he did sign a two year deal before this year but to kind of get his career back going the right direction. You know like he had all this momentum going into Unadilla last year and he has this crash and it kind of unwound. Then he had a knee, another knee surgery and then he had arm pump surgery and it's just been one setback after another and he really hasn't had any sort of sustained go at this thing and think about his summer last year. Like he was in the title fight and like this Deegan rivalry and there was so much positive sentiment and ever since then it really hasn't been there, you know and that's not his fault. Like injuries happen but it doesn't always have to be your fault if that makes sense. You know, being hurt, I don't think, you know Honda gave him a new new contract so clearly they have his back. But at some point if you continue to get hurt Time after time after time, patience wears thin. And that's just, that's just the nature of it. That's. That's just how things go. And everybody knows that, Chance knows that, Honda knows that, everybody knows it. So you just love to see when he can get some positive result out of this. And it's not the same storyline that it was where struggles and injury and, well, if he ever gets healthy, we know what he's got. You know, you just get tired of. And I'm sure he gets tired of kind of saying the same thing of like, I know I can do it. I just have to get back to where I was and I need to get my confidence back. And this was the fruition of all of that. Look forward, right? It's so much like, I need to get to here and if I can just do this. Well, this was. That. This was landing the plane like you won the damn main event. So congratulations to Chance Hymnus. And I was trying to get in in the race. It got really late and they were trying to show other people. But I wanted to talk a little bit about Chance Hymn off road experience. You know, we talked about AP so much, but Chance did a lot of that as well. You know, when everybody would be racing motocross weekend after weekend and honestly, amateur racing, most of the guys just practice all the time. Not, not true for Chance. He was going to off road races. He was doing these desert, like heron hound type stuff. And I think he became extremely well rounded in his skill set because of that. And I think at races like this where the ask is different, you need to, you know, be able to branch out and have this, be able to ride the mud and be able to ride in the water and, you know, like in the ruts and all these things. Like, he has a much broader skill set than a rider who just spent his entire career at a training facility hammering motos all day. And I know that all too well. I didn't really develop that skill set. Like, I, I got better weight in my career. You know, I could make main events in the mud and do things like that, but it was never a strong suit for me. But I also didn't really practice in the mud. You know, like, if you race in the mud, you'd basically destroy your motorcycle. So if it was raining, we didn't just go practice and just destroy everything we own. We. You know, my family basically worked their entire life to get me to where I was. It wasn't really conceivable to like, hey, yeah, we're just going to go practice and absolutely destroy your bike today. Like that's, that wasn't realistic. So I didn't really develop those skill sets. And then living in Florida, you didn't really have to ride the mud. You know, if it was raining, we just went and rode sand and it was fine. It was actually better, you know, so I didn't have to just slop around and develop, develop all these really, really deep mud skills that a guy like Jaime or AP or Sexton. You hear all these guys talk about growing up in it. When I had to race against guys like Nick Wayne at amateur races, they would destroy me. Like they would, I wouldn't even be able to see them because they had spent their entire spring and fall, their entire life, every year practicing in those conditions. And I never did. So you could really see that shine through for Jaime. And I just wanted to make mention of that. Colin park and Gage Linville, I mean, honestly, their podiums are the highlights, I think of the year. And I know that sounds hyperbolic, I know, you know, like there's so much greatness that goes on in the series and so many spectacles. But when you think about what those results meant to those guys, these are probably life defining moments for them. And I know, again, hyperbole. I know that probably sounds overstated, but I don't think it is. I really don't think it is. I think if you really look and I, I live this, you know, like this is so up my alley and I feel extremely overqualified to talk on this specific subject because these moments, you know, like me winning German championships and winning Montreal twice and you know, like my best finishes, like fifth at Buds Creek and my best days, I'll never forget them. Like I can instantly recall vivid details about those days. How I felt, what my bike was like, what the track was like, what the track layout was, my emotions before it, after, was I nervous going in? What was my preparation like before? Like, I'll never forget those things. Like I'm, you know, 15, 20 years removed from some of those events and I can, I can remember them like they were yesterday, no problem. Like, you can ask me really intricate questions about the race and I probably could tell you immediately without any trouble exactly what the situation was. And that's what this is for them. They're never going to forget that Saturday night in Foxborough, April 5, 2025. Not as long as they live. They'll be 60 years old and they will remember how that night felt, what it was like, it's just these are moments that are never going away. And so I don't feel like it's hyperbole. I don't feel like I'm overstating it. That's why it's the highlight of the year for me is because we just created moments that these people will remember and their families will remember for the rest of their life. Like, that is, that's awesome. I love that for those guys. It's so unexpected, it's so unpredictable. And there's a lot of downside for mud races. There's a lot of drawback and they're expensive and, you know, just not, they're not that interesting to watch as far as, like, excitement. I think everybody's kind of like, oh, great mud race. You know, like, there's like a negative connotation for good reason. But for those guys, it's the biggest opportunity they could ever have. Like, Gage Winville's not getting a podium in the dry. He's just not like, he's not good enough. He's not capable, you know, and I don't, I'm not trying to take a shot at him, far from it. I'm just being honest about where he is in his progression in his career. Doesn't mean he won't ever get there. I'm saying right now the odds of him getting another podium are pretty low. That's, that's just, just real life. Like, I'm just talking truth to you, not trying to kind of, you know, beat around the bush with it. Like, I, I, I live this too. And I knew, you know, like, for me getting fifth, like, I, I had a bunch of top tens, but like that day I got fifth, like, that was an outlier day. And this was an outlier, outlier night for those two. Doesn't mean they can't be 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. But podiums are just, they're so rare. Unless you are that top tier guy. And, and that's what they're going to strive to, they're going, they're going to want to both work themselves into where that's a, excuse me, a common occurrence. It's just a really difficult thing to do. That's why so, you know, that's why so, so few people ever do it. It's a really hard thing to accomplish because the good guys stick around. You know, RJ Hempshire's like 28, 29. What? However old he is, and he's still racing 250, so he soaks up a podium spot a lot of the time, you know, it's not the MX2 class in Europe where you're constantly racing 20 year olds all the time, so you get a lot more new faces on the podium. It's just a different, different scenario than that Seth Hanmaker. I mean, it wasn't a great night. You know, he didn't really overperform by any means. I don't think you could say that. You know, he qualified really well, he's really fast, but it didn't go that well. But if you look at a big picture, he leads there with tied for the points lead. Like that's, that's huge. Like that is such a, such a big deal because he came in 13 down and he leaves tied. I don't care what your result is. You're pumped with that scenario. Pumped. I don't. It doesn't matter what your result was. That is a silver lining. This was an amazing night thing and, and I hope he views it that way because he really should. He needs to just be, you know, like, I think it would be easy for somebody to say, well, if I, if I had done better, could have made up these points. Forget all that. That is not helpful in this moment. Just lean into the potters positives and say, hey, I needed some help in the points and I just got it. And now it is on. Screw the food poisoning. It is on now, right? Like he lost all those points in Detroit with food poisoning and now he is even Steven. And the same thing goes for RJ Hampshire. That crash in the first turn, I mean, holy crap, man. Like, wow, that was, that was something like what else are you supposed to say? And he went from 10 down to three down with that crash. Like you're stoked you that's the best case scenario with that crash. You know, he could have gotten dead last and the outcome won that race and the championship would be over like that easily. But instead he made up seven points on the points leader. And okay, now he's got to deal with two guys instead of one, but he kind of did anyway. Like he was only three ahead of Hammaker anyway. So I think for both of those guys it was, it was a huge win. And then you talk about Jaime, he's only eight points down, you know, like he hasn't really been a threat, but he's been working back there, hanging around, fifth, sixth, whatever. He throws a win on the board at the right time. We're going into another mud race and a showdown in Philadelphia and who the hell knows where this thing can go? So I think all those guys should be just thrilled with how that went, regardless of what the, you know, one night venue event result said. You know, like, forget that part and lean into the big picture side of this thing. And then the last guy I want to touch on was Tom Vial. I mean, I mentioned him in passing a couple times, but this was, this was a bad deal. Like, this was. You screwed up big time here. And then he knows that, you know, I'm not, I'm not telling him or I wouldn't tell him, but I'm not saying anything. He doesn't know all too well. I mean, he got dead last. He literally got dead last. And on a night where he could have really, he could have punished these guys with a good result, he did the exact opposite of that. And now he's, I mean, he's still tied for the lead. So if you're like, you don't want to get too upset and you're like, okay, I can't just dwell on this, you know, like, if I want to win the title, it's up to me. I'm tied for the lead like that. That's how you do it. It's just, man, that was, that was a tough one. Getting dead last is, it's really hard to overcome a dead last in a race. It's happened. Ricky Carmichael in 06. We know. I've seen it happen. It's just a really tough ask to be able to do that. Switching to the 450s, we do the power rankings and yeah, I mean, it's, it's kind of been the same for a little bit. But yeah, a couple guys have moved around and they deserve to. So number 10, we'll start off with Dylan Ferrandis and he's been better. You know, I thought this was a weekend where he could have been in the podium fight. I really think that's possible. But he was like dead last in the first lap. That killed his chances. No, he came all the way back to 11th, which is pretty strong. But yeah, I think it was a missed opportunity for Dylan Ferrandis. But I do have him in the top 10. He has been looking much better as of late. Number nine is Shane McElrath. And what a job by McElrath. Like, incredible performance. He wins his heat race, calls his shot, says he can get on the podium in the main. Does it. And I think he had, you know, outside of ap, like, he had the most uneventful race and I know they were 1 2, so it kind of makes sense. But we really never showed him on tb. He was pretty clean after the race. Like I was talking to him and no, okay, he was not as clean as I was because I'm not out there on the track. But like, comparatively to other people he was fairly clean and you know, he wasn't like in agony. He just kind of was like, yeah, that was cool. Like no big deal. Like, track was gnarly, but yeah, cool race, you know, like it was, it was a very interesting perspective to see all these other guys that literally just look like they went through some sort of battle, you know, like they looked like they had aged five years when they came off the track. I don't know. Macarat was kind of like, yeah, no big deal, you know, so that, that was fun to see and you just, I like cheering for the underdog. Right. Like he has had a rough go on a 450 overall. You think about. He and Sexton were battling for the title. I made mention of that on the, on the show. But it, that's, that's the truth. Like that, that is the truth. Like he and McElrath went to the wire, the last main event and both of them were on factory teams. Both of them were looking to take the next step and you look at where they are now, it's not even the same story. You know, Sexton's a multi time champ. McElrass not on a factory team. He's kind of, you know, he's doing this, he did incredibly well in Australia and I'm sure he makes a lot, you know, he makes more money than most people, definitely makes more than I do and makes more money than most people listening. But Sexton makes five times, 10 times, probably 10 times as much as he does, you know, so just a wildly different outcome they've had. So this, this was a feel good moment for Shane McElrath. That's really the, the point I'm trying to make here. So Congrats to Shane McElrath and he's a really good guy. You won't find many people that are going to talk, talk poorly about Shane McElrath. Number eight is Justin Hill and it's been a little quiet for Justin Hill as of late. I get it. But if you look at his body of work this year, he deserves to be in this top 10. So I'm leaving him in. This wasn't a great race for him in any, any means or anything. He wasn't like a big storyline. But yeah, he has certainly been pretty strong this year. Like it's Been a, it's been a really nice bounce back year for him. Number seven is Justin Barsha. And man, I thought, I thought this was going to be a race where Barcia could win. I really did. And I think he had some legitimate opportunity. You know, he gave up a spot to Webb on the last lap. But it was, it was an okay race. It wasn't bad. I just think races like this are where Barca can shine. Like he can outperform his entire rest of the season and he usually takes advant advantage of something like this. Kind of did, kind of didn't. It was kind of a. So, so for Bart in the mud, you know, like it wasn't a failure by any means, but it wasn't the outperformance, you know, really seize the moment type situation that I, that I thought it could be for. For Justin Bar show Number six is Justin Cooper. And not a great race for J. Coop but also I didn't think it would be, you know, he got the hole shot and I was like, all right, this is your chance. Like I know this condition is not great for him. He's not a fantastic mud rider. But I, when he got the whole shot, I'm like, man, if he can stay clean and put in a couple good laps, he has a chance to upend the trend of. What I thought was. I thought he would just struggle. He's. He's my height. It's really difficult. Anytime you get out of whack, you tend to fall over and that's kind of what happened. But I thought the start might turn the tide for him and unfortunately it did not. But he's, he's had a fantastic year. You know, like his speed at some of these rounds, you look at the way he was riding in Seattle, the way he was riding in Indianapolis, like he's, he's been great. So I'm happy for Jacob. Number five is Malcolm Stewart. And I mean nothing to write home about was not. You know, we had the transponder issue. So that, that's on me too. I called him a couple laps down, but that's what our transponder was showing and you couldn't tell. There was no way. Unless you were watching him every lap. There was no way to know where he was, who he was battling with. Like it was, it was absolute anarchy out there. So that's on me. Like I should have, I shouldn't have assumed and you know, very, very credit to we diffie for saying it looks like he kind of left it open to hey, we don't know, you know, like, the timing, scoring could be off. And that's exactly what happened. So, you know, kind of a quiet race for. For Malcolm, but, I mean, he won a race this year. He's going to get a ride again somewhere. If not where, exactly where he's at. And he's a fan favorite. So I think life is. Life's pretty good for Malcolm Stewart at the moment. Number four is AP. And I mean, this was AP's moment. Like, what else can you really say? He. He dominated. Like, he was really unchallenged. He moved through the pack pretty quickly. Nobody really had anything for him. You know, I think the only person that could have ridden with him was Sexton. If Sexton had gotten a hole shot and they had gone together, I think Sexton's pace was good enough, but it wasn't meant to be. Like, Sexton didn't execute. He didn't get start. He didn't do the ride the first lap well enough, and the rest was history. So congrats to ap. I am such a huge believer that when you have opportunity and you this, your skill set suits the situation, you got to step up. Like, you have to make the most of it because these moments in life don't come often enough. And that's what AP did. Like, he knows he's good in the mud. He knew there would be an opportunity to be on the podium at least. And guess what? He did. He got a pretty good start. He put in a really solid first two laps, and he really didn't have to do a whole lot more, you know, like, he knew his pace outside of that was enough. And if you get the tough parts right, the start and the first lap, chaos, and you have really good pace, you've already accomplished the hardest part of all of this. And so I give him a lot of credit for doing that. The pace stuff is whatever. Like, he's just riding his hardest, and he happens to be really good in the mud. I don't really credit him for that. That's kind of intuitive for him. Talent, experience, executing in the right in the moment, not screwing the startup, not making a critical mistake in the first corner and disallowing yourself to shine. You know, if you preclude yourself from showing that speed, that's where you screwed up. He didn't know he. He did the hard part and then he let the rest happen. And that's. That's how you get a win, you know, that's how you overcome really adverse conditions. Number three is Ken Rockson and I mean, I cannot stress enough how closely he came to not racing. I mean, we're talking like 10 minutes before he was still unsure. He spoke about it on our post show. Talked about, hey, he's like, my ankle's going the wrong direction. I'm going to have to put it down a hundred times tonight. And it's going to get worse and worse. Like, this is not a good idea. And in the end, his wife, Justin Brayton, lots of people, his friends and family really encouraged him to, like, hey, we have to try. Like, you need to just go out there and at least give it a shot. And I think he's probably happy he did. I know it was probably painful. I know it's not any fun to race when you're hurt. And I think he was worried about doing more damage, like setting himself back even further. But with all that said, he still got a fourth place. So way to tough through, you know, fight through it. It just showed. He's a pretty tough guy. Like, he's been through a lot. And this was just another example of that. Number two is Chase Sexton. And I mean, what are you going to say? Like, he. He was ahead of Cooper Webb the whole race until the last lap. And I don't know, man. Like, I've said it 20 times on shows when you look back on a season, and if he doesn't win this title, it's not always only 15 points down. Like in the mud, that's nothing. But in. If you look back, you know, and I think this is how it's going to go. This is a hyper, you know, hypothetical situation. Let's say Salt Lake City comes and goes. It stays, you know, we just stay right where we are. Webb wins by 15 points. Sexton is going to be laying in bed at his hotel wondering, how did I. How did I lose this thing? How did we get here? Because I felt like I was faster than Coop. I think he believes that. I think he believes deep down that he's faster than Web and he's going to wonder how he screwed this up. And it's going to be all these moments. It's going to be the last lap pass, it's going to be the last lap crash in Arlington. It's going to be falling in the sand in Indianapolis, you know, like time after time after time. These mistakes. Daytona kind of, you know, kind of falling apart late in the race there. This Tampa crash, there are far too many now. That's the problem. Far too many examples of where he has given points away that he didn't have to give away. And it's going to be tough to swallow, I think. And it really hasn't set in yet because, you know the championship's still on and you don't know what's going to go. And maybe he wins the title, maybe he does. Maybe Webb DNFs. Maybe Webb gets hurt. Maybe Webb just sucks at the end of the series. We don't know. But I'm saying if it goes that way and if Sexton loses his championship, I think it's going to be really difficult for him to. To deal with because of how it went. If you just get beat, it's fine. Like, you can deal with. It's not fun, but at least you can look over and say, you know what? He would. That guy was just basher than me. Like, he deserved to beat me. I had nothing for him. But when you are your own worst enemy and you cost yourself points consistently and you feel like you should have won had you not made the mistake, that's tough. Like, that is a different thing to have to deal with mentally. And I don't want that for Chase. I don't want to him to suffer. This is truly a nice guy. He. I really like Chase Sexton, and I don't want him to deal with that mental agony that he might already be there. But I think it'll be worse when he has to reflect on how if he does lose it, how he lost it. So it's a tough one. We'll see. You know, nothing's over. You know, I've been saying all along that I do believe that a dry Denver and a dry Salt Lake, that Sexton would be faster so he could win those two, but he has to be close enough in the points for it to matter. That's the thing. He's got to be single digits or ahead because Webb is too smart. Guys are. They don't care at the final couple rounds. I just. I know it. I've been there. It's really hard for guys to get in between them at the final rounds because their level drops off. They start practicing motocross. Their efficiency for Supercross dips a little bit where the championship guys are locked in. I mean, they are glued to the moment and they're going to give you their best where everybody else is kind of. They're kind of checked out on Supercross a little bit. The last thing they want to do is get hurt in Supercross right before they switch to pro motocross. So they're going to be a little bit risk averse. They're not going to be as sharp because they haven't been practicing, practicing Supercross. So it's all those things that kind of lead to the best guys finishing up front at the end. And plus also don't forget they're the best guys. Like that's how they're first and second in points. So not only are they the best guys, they're also the most kind of plugged into the moment, if that makes sense. The number one is Cooper Webb. And I mean the resiliency here, is it resilience? Resiliency. I don't even know if resiliency is a word, but that was a hell of a last couple laps. Seriously. I kind of already like assumed he was gonna get like six, you know, like he was gonna lose a few points. He's gonna go from like 11 to 6 or 7. It's like, ah, whatever, you know, he won't be, he won't be happy, that's for sure. But it'll kind of be right back to where it was in Seattle. And I think if you just keep the status quo bouncing back and forth, you know, time is on your side in that scenario. Like the one thing you know, and I've watched this championships go a lot of different ways. If you have a points lead and you lose one weekend, but you win the next and after two rounds you're exactly where you were, that's a great, that's a coup for you because the one thing the person chasing you can't afford to do is waste weekends. And guess what? They just wasted two weekends with no progress and time is ticking away. And, and it's even worse for that, worse with that for Chase Sexton, because It's back to 15. We're back to where we were leaving Indianapolis. So we had Birmingham, Seattle and now Foxborough. With nothing lost, nothing gained. That's a huge win for Cooper Webb. Huge win. And it doesn't, it's not that he gained points, but he kind of did because the opportunity cost for Sexton is now less. He had eight rounds to go and 15 points. Now he has five rounds to go and 15 points. That's a lot tougher. It's a lot different scenario because you're just, you're running out of time here. So for Webb, it's a big deal. Mud race. He actually gained points in the mud. He's going to take that every time. Like he had to be so thrilled with how that turned out for him. You know, he wasn't like high fiving everybody and like over the moon. But I'm just telling you, deep down, the strategist that Cooper Webb is, he was thrilled with how that went. So kudos. Cooper Webb, like he's, he's stepping up in the right moments, you know, championships. I said it before the, before the race. We do that around the berm segment. If you're going to win a title, there are going to be moments when the track doesn't work for you, the situation doesn't work for you. Maybe you're a little injured, maybe you can't ride the mud very well and you're going to have to, you're going to have to find a way to get it done. You're just going to have to figure it out. And I, I think Cooper Webb did exactly that. Like, I don't know how else you would define it other than struggling and then making heroic glass lap passes to get a podium. Like, I don't, I don't know if there's a better definition of that than what Cooper Webb did. So that's it for this week. Thank you again to all the sponsors, Guts Racing Works, Connection, tl, Speed Shop, which is also racerentals. Com, same company, Grandstone Boots and Fly Racing. Thanks everybody for listening and we will talk to you soon.