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A pulp MX Network production. A cerebral and experienced look into the racing action from the week that was. This is Industry Seating with Jason Thomas. Presented by GUTS Racing Pro, Glow Wash Works Connection, Fast Foundry, TL Speed Shop, Grandstone Boots and Fly Racing. Welcome to the Industry Seating podcast. My name is Jason Thomas and It is Sunday, May 4, 2025. And I can't believe it's already maybe mixed feelings on that. For one. Super excited. The weather here, where I live in Boise, Idaho, is finally turning. It's pretty nice, a little chillier than I think people would think. If you live in the south, you'd be like, wow, it's really cold, but it's coming around like late in the day. It's really nice and it's just kind of the start of this fantastic summer that we get in this part of the world. But man, it just seems like the time speeds up as you get older. And, you know, next Sunday I'm going to be sitting here at my house and we're going to be through another Supercross season. It's going to be done and it's just amazing. And I, for me, I can remember so vividly and I have really great recall, which I'm thankful for, of seasons when I was racing, seasons before I was racing, like when I was an amateur. I can remember Supercross seasons post my racing career, what those seasons were like, going to the races and different facets and aspects. And now this will be three seasons of one partial and two full seasons of working for, you know, Feldon NBC on the Supercross. And it just seems like, man, it's happening really fast and yeah, it's just crazy. Don't, don't take a day for granted because, man, things are, I think everybody realizes at some point or another in their life, but life is really short and things happen, things happen quickly. So anyway, I know you're not here for life coaching, but had a pretty entertaining weekend. I will say that in where the hell Were we? Denver. And I'm having a hard time at the races remembering where we are in the moment. Like, I could tell I'm hesitating on tv, like saying where we are. And I screwed up and said that Sexton won in Philadelphia by 20 seconds, which, that was East Rutherford, so I need to get it together on my end, but Denver delivered and it's really hard to. To look at it any other way. It's pretty, pretty awesome night of racing. Now, you could say the 450 main was boring for most of it. That's fine. The End wasn't. The end was. Was super interesting and we will certainly get into that dynamic. But let's start with the 250s and man, we haven't had a controversial dynamic like this in a while. You know, the two could. The east is fun. We like talking about it. All the riders are great guys. There's really no villain. I think all the guys like each other, you know. You know, so it's, it's a different vibe than the west coast. The west, man, there's some hard feelings and you know, Deegan is just this, his own machine and animal, however you want to, want to view that dynamic. But he is his own force. And then you have kind of everybody else and they're all just like standing around looking at this, you know, energy that is Hayden Deegan. Like, what in the hell, man? But I probably have a take that a lot of people aren't going to like. But I'm trying to be objective and I'm trying to be fair and not. I don't like piling on, you know, if everybody feels a certain way or thinks a certain thing just because they don't like a person, I don't want to be the person. Just piles on because that's the in vogue thing to do. And I'm very much have my take on what happened with Hayden and Cole Davies. And let's, let's back up a little bit. So on these shows, I've been talking a little bit about how I think, I think I talked about a race day live. I don't know these shows all run together, but I've been wanting to see how Hayden was going to handle Cole Davies becoming much more of a threat. And Hayden has a track record, he has a history of this. There is an nmo, so we should know what to expect. But with Hayden, he's really respectful. And when you see guys have like a breakout ride and they have this great weekend, Hayden's usually like really congratulatory to them. He'll go over and say, man, great job. And he'll even say stuff on the podium in the press conference. And I think he's genuinely happy for them in the moment so long as they are not a serious threat to his success or championships or future when that change happens. And we've seen it with Chance Jaime, we've seen it with Jordan Smith, we've seen it with Levi Kitchen, we've seen it with rj, we've seen it with Julian Bomer. I just, you know, you get the point. It's time and time again, when that flip is switched. That's not the right. When that switch is flipped. Sorry. And that change happens, Hayden goes from really respectful, polite, congratulatory to now it's on. Now you're my enemy, and now I have to turn the screws to you, make comments, ride aggressively with you, play games with you. And it's a significant change. It is notable. And it's really easy to kind of see that happen. And I kept mentioning, when is this going to happen? Because Davies is improving too much. He's. You can see it happening for Davies. Like, you can see him getting better and you can see his progression becoming a serious thing now. And I was just waiting for the turn and you could. There was. There were hints of it. Hayden would make some comments here and there. But this weekend was like, okay, we're there. Like, immediately were now there and now it's on, you know, and like, first lap of the first session out there and qualifying. Hayden knocks Cole down. And it wasn't like this egregious t bone where he just plows him and you're like, oh, my God. It wasn't that. But I think Hayden was kind of sending a message like, hey, man, I'm. I am the guy. Like, you're my buddy. It's cool. We practice together. You know, like, I like you. I mean, they run together and do all these things, which probably is all stopping now. But you need to real. You need to make sure that you understand your place and your place is in my shadow. That that is what I believe Hayden thinks and how he views it and what he wanted to make damn sure that Cole Davies understood. Now. Cole is fantastic in his own right. And I think Cole's like, I don't really want to sign up for that role. Like, I'm here to win. I'm here to do my own thing. And that doesn't mean that I'm disrespectful in any way to you, but this is. This is competition. This is a race. Like, we're here to compete. And we can respect. We can compete respectfully, but I'm gonna try to beat you just as much as you're trying to beat me. And Hayden's like, hell, no. That's. That's not. That's not the situation at all. Sorry, I'm not here for that. That's not going to happen on my. On my watch. So you have this collision course that slowly got put into motion, and now we. We see that happening in real time. Like, you see the Dynamic really speed up. You know, you just watch it unfolding and you could see it start to develop. And then it was like somebody snapped your fingers and it went, okay, now it's real. Now it's here all at once. There's no more waiting. And, you know, this main event, you see Davies get out front and you see how assertive he is and you see how good he is, for lack of a better word, gets out front and she's just like, yeah, man, I'm, I'm out of here. And I've talked a lot and I'm going to continue to about how Hayden is able to overcome a lot in his racing. If he doesn't get a good start, if he has a crash, if he lets a gap get built up against him, he is able to overcome those things. Close gaps make up for mistakes. That is mental toughness that comes from confidence. And I think he, Brian, has done a good job of instilling a great work ethic in Hayden and all those things translate. So when Hayden's back's up against the wall, he comes out swinging and he started to close that gap down. And yes, Cole Davies had a tough time at the lappers and there are a lot of things, there are a lot of variables there, but welcome to racing. You know, those aren't going to ever change. Lappers are a part of it. You have to learn how to get through traffic and manage a lead and all those things which Cole is working on, he's developing in front of our eyes. But Hayden closed the gap. He got to him. And then it, you know, you could just see like, oh, man, what are. What's going to happen now? And. And Hayden was trying to kind of like figure out a way around him. And Cole was so much better in the whoops that he would pull a gap back and then Hayden would do everything he could to get to him again. And then he had to make sure that he didn't lose too much time in the whoops. And Hayden was bad there, but Cole was spectacular in those whoops as advertised. So they're going into that section where, you know that same corner that happened in qualifying and Cole is swinging out wide because that's what the corner asks you to do. It's what. It's what it wants. It wants you to come in wide, carry momentum through it, and then you can scrub that triple. Well, doing so. Doing so opens the door, and I don't mean just a little bit. It swings the door wide open for Hayden. So Hayden rails the berm after the finish and that sets him down the inside. And you could see it coming like, you know, me on the monitor with, you know, multiple angles, whatever. You can see this unfolding really easily. And you're like, you know, if you could pause it and stop it halfway down the straightaway, you'd be like cole. You have two options here. One, you swerve hard left coming out of the first berm to make sure that you block Hayden, which is going to slow you both down before the triple. Maybe you can hold him back there, maybe not. Maybe just Hayden forces it up the inside but it's going to give you a chance to close Hayden down into that next left. Or your only other plausible methodology here is to understand that Hayden now has position up the inside because you have moved to the right and you let Hayden get up the inside. You basically just have to check up and let Hayden take the spot and then you go back right after him. You either repass him in the woofs, which I think was very doable, or you just block past them in one of the next few corners, which Cole certainly could have done. What you can't do is force the issue when you have no leverage. You are on the outside in a berm where you're going to run out of real estate. And two things are one of two things is going to happen. You're either going to go over the berm, which he did, or you're going to get pinned in the berm and you're going to low side down because you're not going to be able to put your foot down because Hayden is there and you're going to tip down to the low side. Those are really the only two outcomes. Maybe, maybe he could keep his balance and stay up and then continue on but he probably wouldn't be able to do the triple and he would lose a ton of time. It's just a no win scenario and it's just something that Cole will learn as he continues to progress. And I have, you know, I have hindsight on my side. I have 40 years or maybe say 30 of real racing experience that I can lean on. I've been in that scenario. I've watched the scenario. Not necessarily for the lead but it's fine. Like I've been racing for lead in other races and I've been in battles for 10th and battles for 8th and battles for 18th. It's the same dynamic. Just because they were battling for the weed doesn't change the physics of it and the racing mindset and what's happening in real time. It just happened to be for a higher consequence and more money on the line and all those things. But when you really get down to the brass tacks of it, it's the same thing that could be going on for last place and it probably does. We're just not paying attention to it. And again, Cole will think about that situation. He'll break it down. He'll watch it over and over and he'll learn. He'll understand that, like he didn't have. Like to use phrasing from other world situations. He didn't have the cards. You know, he doesn't have the cards in the situation. You basically just have to say, okay, you've got me in this corner. I will check up and I'll go after you in the next place. And, you know, there are phrases, million cliches and phrases that have come from situations like caution is the better part of valor. Like you have to know. Like you have to know. You have to know when to. To fold them. Right. Like trying to think of the phrase I can't believe I can't think of it. But you have to know when to hold them and know when to fold them like that. All those things are true. You just have to think really quickly and be able to process that in the moment and understand it. And I have nothing but praise to give Cole Davies. I'm just trying to explain where his mistake was in any of this. And I don't even like using the word mistake because that is like placing blame on him. And I'm not trying to blame him. I'm just trying to dissect the racing dynamic. Deegan got up the inside. He has control of the situation. He has all the leverage in the situation. And Davies on the outside in that particular type of corner has literally zero. He has none because Deegan is now alongside him. And Deegan is going to pace him going into that corner. If Cole speeds up, Hayden's going to speed up or just basically let off the brakes. If Cole breaks super hard, guess what Hayden's going to do. Pace him and break super hard. So Cole has really nowhere to go. He just has to basically say, okay, you got me. Let's continue on and I'll try to get you back somewhere else. And he didn't. And Hayden is never going to back down. We know that. Hayden's not going to, you know, if you want to take it to an 11 out of 10, Hayden's there for it. You know what I mean? So you have to. You Also have to understand who you're dealing with in any situation. Hayden is not one to back away from confrontation. And that is a, that is also a variable of this is some riders won't take it to the extreme. Like they'll leave you room. Like they'll still make the pass, but they'll leave you room, you know, and, and a Deegan, and I don't even want to use the same, but like a Barsha Anderson, forget about Vince Freezy, but that type of rider, you just have to know that they're not going to give you any room at all. Like that is just a known quantity. You just know going in and you have to race accordingly. You have to make your decisions based off of that information. And I don't believe that Davies did it all in this situation. So that's just my take on it. You may disagree. That's okay. But I feel very strongly in my take on it. You know, they made a little contact. But again, I think Cole has to understand that he, he has no real move in the situation. Sometimes you're just boxed in and you have to live to fight another day. See all the cliches I have, I have them a whole Rolodex of cliches that I can, that I can break out for that situation. So off we go. The championships wrapped up. It was chaos on the podium. Nobody knew anything. We're interviewing fifth place first. And all we were doing was stalling to try to figure out if Hayden had clenched it. And it came down to same amount of wins. Cole could match him for wins next week at three. And then it came down to second place finishes after that and Hayden had more. So then they finally were like, okay, it's over. Hayden clinches no matter what. Even if Cole wins and Hayden doesn't even race, it doesn't change anything. So then we went on to the, the trophy ceremony. But all in all, great racing. Bomer was much better. Underrated race, bad start, kept him out of the fight. But he, he was riding really well all day. So I shout out to Juju because I think he needed this ride to kind of re establish himself in this class. And yeah, he, he looked much better than even a second place on paper. Says his riding was really, really good. And if you go back and watch like race day live, just focus on watching him. And he was incredibly impressive on that racetrack. So I just, I know there's really no headlines around Juju from the weekend. I just wanted to really kind of lean into his riding. It was very Very impressive. And it takes a lot to impress me because I watch the best riders in the world all the time. Like it's has nothing to do with me. It's just I, the guys I'm watching are all phenomenal. So for me to give praise like that, yeah, it's more of a really high compliment that I can give. March Banks was good as well. Like he looked great too. He was on, you know, qualifying video a lot. You know, when you have this kind of incident with Davies and Deegan, guys like marchbanks are, they get the raw end of the deal because they don't get any of that publicity. You know, everybody's going to talk about the other things which leaves them kind of sucks all the air out of the room I guess is a better way to say it. And you know, March Banks is podium nobody's going to really be talking about but I thought it was a really good effort from marchbanks and the check will clear and all that stuff and Mitch gets a podium and great. But marchbanks and Bowmer should have been talked about more than they, than they were. You know the rest of Tibetan class. I don't think there was a whole lot really there. You know the top five were kind of all covered here. So let's jump to the 450 class and before we do, I want to thank the the sponsors of this podcast. It's gonna be Guts Racing which have been with me forever. Andy Gregg and their team is, is awesome. Really like being a part of what they do. Custom seat covers, custom seat graphics. I mean they're the best, best seats and seat covers in the game and they have all sorts of stuff for, for E Bikes Surrons they have like full seats for like Kawasakis and all these brands too. So they are the first name when it comes to all sorts of those things. To go to gutsracing.com and at gutsracing on Instagram, works Connection Eric Phipps and this, I mean you're talking 35 years of relevance for Works Connection. They are I for me the number one product that they have. 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And I'm sticking to that. It also gives me a chance to talk about some of these other guys. So number 10 is. That's not even the right list. I gotta find the right list. Number 10 is Mitchell Oldenburg and Mitchell's on a beta and he's resigned. A beta. And this is a great match. Like, you know, I feel like it's similar to like where Husky was when I was on in 2001. Like, yes, it's a factory supported team, but it's not on the level of, you know, ktm, Kawi, Honda, Yamaha, blah, blah, blah. That's just the situation they find themselves in. They know it, everybody else knows it, but that doesn't mean they can't get good results. And for Oldenburg, he's doing the thing, like, look at their starts. Oldenburg was second in his heat. Benny Boss was third in the main event. Like, their results are there, their starts are there. They're doing a fantastic job of recommending beta like that. End of story. They are doing a great job. And Oldenburg can ride, man. Like, I. I've watched him for a very long time. The skills on that guy are undeniable, period. Like, undeniable skill set. Now, is he gonna win a main event? No, but, like, in the mud, I've seen him almost win. Like, he almost freaking won iron man, like, 2016 in the mud. Like, the guy knows how to ride motorcycles. And this was. He was almost gonna quit a few years ago, like, he was pret. And you just see how much talent a guy like this has. And if you can stay healthy, if you can get on the right bike and get some momentum, good things can happen. So great for Mitchell Oldenburg. Nice guy, making some money doing the thing. So this is. This is a good thing for him. I'm really happy for him. Number nine is Dean Wilson. And Medina's fine. Like, he run around in the top 10. He's on a factory Honda. He's really enjoying this experience. I'm sure he's making decent money, you know, from Honda and all the, you know, all the opportunities, getting bonus money. Like, this is what it's about. And we all know Dino's in the twilight of his career. It's coming to an end. Everybody likes Dino, and, yeah, you just smile and, you know, enjoy the ride, basically. Like, for Dean, this is. This is really cool to. To kind of watch here towards the end. So good job for Dino, you know, did he ever live up to the potential on a 450? Probably not, you know, but so what happens all the time. He's made a lot of money over the course of his career. He's a 250 national champion, and he's probably going to be set for life financially. I don't know that for sure, but I have a good feeling about it and he deserves it. I'm happy for Dean Wilson. He's got a kid now. Wife is good for Dino. Number eight is Joey Savage, former teammate of his. They battled. I mentioned on the broadcast, they battled it out for the Australian Championship this year. And you think about the Australian Supercross Championship, you may not know a lot about it, but it's probably like a 300 grand thing to, like, win races and win the title, you know, for Dino and Sabachi. So, like, they're Battling for, like, big money down there. Right. And it's a, it's a big deal to win that title. It could be. It may be even more than that. I don't know. But I think they make about 250 to 300 to, to win that title, maybe, maybe more. So, you know, for, for Savage, he made. He's making a lot of money and, you know, his results are coming around. He's. I think he's really hard on himself, which is fine. So am I. But I, I like Joey's skills. I think he's a really good rider. He crashes sometimes and it doesn't make a lot of sense when he does. But I think he's a very underrated rider as far as, like, skills go and what he's capable of. He's very, very underrated in that aspect. Number seven is Justin Hill. And this is kind of like a body of work thing because his riding results as of late haven't been that impressive. But when you think about what he's done this season, some of the breakout rides he's had, he deserves to be ahead of the other guys, like in the End of Story. He deserves to be ahead of Oldenburg, Dean and Savage, no questions asked. So don't look at it as well. He got 12th this weekend. That wasn't very good. Yeah, yeah, I know. But remember when everybody was talking about Justin Hill earlier in the season? Well, that still matters. He's still out there. He got 12. It's not like the end of the world. Just kind of the, the shines kind of come off a little bit, and that's okay, you know, like, it happens. It's a long season. Not everybody peaks at the same time, but you can just see kind of Justin Hill wavering a bit out there. Number six is Dylan Ferrandis. And Ferrandis is kind of the opposite of Justin Cooper, where he was struggling early, didn't even make the main event at A1. Think about that. And now he's on fire. He looks great blitzing the Whoops. Like, I don't know if it's the, you know, the parts he's gotten from Honda or confidence, but man, he's one of the best guys in the Whoops right now. It's really impressive to watch. And I mean, think about this was a 250 supercross champ, 250 national champ, 450 national champ. The guy knows what, what to do. We just haven't seen peak Dylan Ferrandis in a long time. But this is a nice little, little comeback for him. So it's good to see number five, Justin Cooper. And this is where it gets Dicey between Malcolm AP and Justin Cooper is 3, 4, 5. And I just told you that Justin Cooper is at 5. And I'm kind of going off of a few things. Okay, Justin Cooper's the only one of the three that hasn't won a race, and that's where he ended up fifth from me. I'll just make it really simple. But he has more momentum at the moment than AP and you could say Malcolm also, like, he's in the podium fight every single weekend. He's in really good position to get third in the points, which is a big deal. But I just not having a race win, that is a huge, huge thing. And Malcolm one Tampa and Plessinger one Foxborough. And anybody in the industry will tell you how important winning a race is like, for the team, for the sponsors. You get so much mileage out of winning a race. I. I can't even tell you. So that's why I have J. Coop in fifth. It's not. It's not because of his riding. It's not because of anything else other than that. It is that one asterisk that has him in fifth. And I know this is devastating news that he's in fifth. I. He probably won't sleep all week, right? But yeah, he's. He's going to be in fifth for now. Number four is Malcolm. And I battled with this. I struggled with AP and Malcolm. And Malcolm is going to beat AP in points. And AP was terrible at the beginning of the season, but I think AP has come around like he's really kind of gotten it together, and it's really like they're like both three and a half because I can't even make a great argument for either side. They both won one race. They both had a lot of podiums. To me, the biggest difference is how awful AP was early on. And he's broken out of that. And if you look at the second half of his season post Daytona, it's been really strong. And I would say the second half of the season has been stronger than Malcolm's. So I'm going to give him the nod. That's really it. Right or wrong, you may not agree. That's okay. I don't even really agree with. With my own take. I think they should both kind of be three and a half. But that's. That was really the tiebreaker. But they're both riding really well. You know, it doesn't. It can Be shades of gray. Why I have each guy in each spot. But yeah it's it. Don't let that, don't let Malcolm being four and AP being three carry a lot of weight because I don't in my head it doesn't really carry any weight at all. Number two is Chase Sexton. Pretty obvious. You know it's funny when I, when I really break down Chase versus Webb, I think Chase is a better rider. I do. I think Chase is more talented. I think Chase's skill set is higher. But I think Cooper is much stronger mentally. His racecraft is much better. He is a thinking man's racer. He's like five steps ahead of everybody else as far as like chess moves and that that season through a lot and Chase just doesn't have that type of mental game that Coop does. If they were, if they had the same mental aspects, I don't think Cooper will ever be Chase like ever. He would never beat him like unless Chase crashes out of the race he would never be Chase because like that's the only thing he's missing. Like the mistakes, lack of concentration at times, losing the front end, which is lack of concentration in my opinion. You don't see, really, you don't see Coop make those mistakes often. Not, not that it doesn't ever happen. It's just not often. And that's the problem for Chase. It is far too often and it hasn't happened lately. Totally fair. Last week you just couldn't get the job done but you didn't see like massive mistakes. Know we talked about the whoops and how he resorted to jumping which wasn't the answer at all in my opinion. Kind of went into what Coupe does well and you have to lean on your strengths, not try to do what someone else does well. You have to do what you do well. And that's where Chase made a big mistake. But he hasn't, you know, lost the front end. He hasn't thrown races away in quite a while. So good for Chase of cleaning that up. But it's likely to just be too little too late and it's you know, like Chase is going to be bummed he's not going to win his second title and he's going to lose a million or two in the process. But he's making a lot of money. He's got six wins which is probably, you know, another, I don't know, 900K, you know, at least on top of what he already makes which is probably in the 3 million range when you count for KTM, Alpine Stars, Oakley, go down the list of all his ragtag sponsors. Not ragtag. Sounds like an insult. I don't mean it that way. The assorted sponsorship list he has, which is pretty extensive. He's probably a $3 million guy all in. And another 900 in bonuses. You get it up to, you know, let's say minimum, bare minimum. He's making three and a half million dollars this year and we haven't even raced outdoors yet. You got to figure he's going to make more bonuses there too. He's fine is all I'm trying to say. He's fine. Don't, don't feel sorry for Chase. It's just, yeah, somebody, somebody has to win and everybody else has to lose. That's the nature of the game. And when you make mistakes and you lose points, especially swing points where Webb is the benefactor, it's hard to overcome. And we've got one race to go and we can't assume anything, but it's not going to be difficult to look back and figure out where did Chase lose this title? And I don't mean to say that Coop didn't win it, but I, I do believe there is a, a strong case to be made for Chase losing this title. And that's a, you know, like that's an arguable point. That's fine. But somewhere in the narrative there is, there is that where Coop did his thing. He's won five races. I don't think he'll win Salt Lake. He's probably gonna end at five. Chase is going to win probably seven because I think he'll walk away with Salt Lake. I think he'll win by 10 seconds. Plus again, he's going to win seven races and not win the title. That's, that doesn't happen very often, folks. You don't win, you know, like Tomac 17, Bradshaw 92. There are very, very few instances where somebody wins seven races and doesn't win a championship. And that's probably a point we need to bring up at some point on television or these review pods. I'm gonna maybe ask Clinton Fowler to look that up. How many times has someone won seven races and lost a title? Because that's a, that's a really relevant fact. So anyway, that's it. Cooper Webb's number one and might be a three time champ, which is rare air. That's a big deal. He's got 30 wins. You know, not many people are going to talk about the 30 wins, but a lot of people will throw that three title thing around and it carries a lot of weight in this industry. So one more to go then we. We take it outside. Such a cliche thing, right? Take it outside. But we moved to pro motocross and man, we're halfway done with this 31 round SMX championship thing we have going. So thank you to everybody for listening. I enjoyed Sorry for not doing a podcast last week, but it's been my, my life's been a little crazy, a little hectic. Just work wise and try to make sure I get these out weekly for you guys. Thanks again. See you.