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Hey everyone, welcome back to Infamous, a production of Campside Media and Sony Music Entertainment. So we have rushed this episode out because there is big news out of federal court in Manhattan. As you may have heard, Sean Diddy Combs was found partially guilty in the year's biggest trial. The jury, which was racially diverse, it was a panel of eight men and four women who ranged in age from about 30 to 74, found him not guilty of basically the most serious charges, which were sex trafficking and racketeering. He was convicted of two counts that were related to the man act, which is basically transporting women across state lines for sex. It is certainly not the full blown takedown that the federal government was hoping for because they had built this case around this supposed criminal enterprise. Like that's the way it was described by prosecutors. What they were arguing was that Diddy used money and drugs and intimidation to control and exploit young women, including his girlfriend, Cassie Ventura. So, you know, they did have really good witnesses here who spoke about this, 34 witnesses. But a few people who were supposed to testify did not end up testifying and that was part of the federal government's case. We don't know why they didn't testify, but they changed their mind or something like that happened. A lot of famous names were dropped like Kid Cudi and people like that. It felt like half the industry was in the shadows of this case, but they weren't really in the Courtroom. If you've been following it all, I think one of the most powerful moments was when the prosecutors played that video footage of Diddy assaulting Cassie, which a lot of us saw online as well. And there were just story after story about freak offs, these parties at maybe the Intercontinental Hotel that were set up for sex that allegedly involved force or coercion, that went on for days, that involved male escorts, that involved, you know, women getting IVs afterwards to try to recover. Just really bracing, terrible stuff. But, you know, Diddy's lawyer painted this very different picture, saying that these were all consenting adults. The government was unfairly reaching into Diddy's personal life and his lifestyle choices. And look, I mean, Diddy's a celebrity. You never know what a jury will think of when a celebrity is brought up on charges. They tend to have good feelings about that person, maybe nostalgic feelings, maybe they feel they want to be connected to their fame somehow. So it's a surprise that he got off from the most serious charges, considering that the Federal government wins 97% of the cases that they bring. They're known to, like, not bring a case if they don't think they can win it. But this is what happened. You know, you had Diddy, who from the time he was arrested, he's been in jail. He was not allowed out on bail. Now I'm assuming he will get out on bail and, you know, he's still going to look at pretty serious time for the prostitution charges because the judge is not going to just let him off so easy. I'm sure the judge has his own opinions about what happened here separate from the jury, and he's going to be doing the sentencing. But at the same time, Diddy, certainly as we have the Chronicles from court, is relieved. Right as he watched the jurors leave, he put his hands together in prayer and mouthed thank you, thank you at the jurors. You know, they all filed out and he then put his hands over his own face for a moment and he exhaled. So I'm going to talk to David Peisner, a big music writer, about Diddy generally and what this all means for the music industry, which we know has not really had as much of a reckoning in terms of the harassment of women as someplace like Hollywood. It's still like very much part of the rock and roll lifestyle, the record industry, the rap lifestyle. So, yeah, let's get going with that interview. So I ran across Diddy when he was Puff Daddy or Puffy, whichever name came first, or maybe Puffy was just the nickname of Puff Daddy. But I would say probably late 90s, early 2000s, I definitely went to a white party in East Hampton and have a real vision of sitting down and getting to talk to little Kim for like many minutes long and thinking that was maybe the coolest thing that had ever happened to me in my life. And I was actually, I think, invited there because I had written a story about Donna Karan, who was hanging out with him a lot. And I had met him while I was doing the Donna Karan story. And then one of his entourage of people was like, you should come to the white party. So I was like, I'm actually getting to go to this and not as a journalist, like, I'm actually getting to go to this as like a invited guest. And unbelievably enough, it was not that exciting. A lot of people were wearing white. We all stood around the pool. I hung out with little Kim. Then there was a moment where she was like, this is probably the end of how much I ever want to talk to you in my life. And I stayed for, you know, maybe another 45 minutes. And I was young, I was like, cool, peace. Like, I'm going to a party with the people I know. Why would I stay here? So I. I missed everything. Who knew what was happening? And that was the joke for a long time was like, who knew what would happen at a Puffy party? It would get so crazy. Like Usher went up there when the label wanted to, like, make him a man. And they were like, you should go live with Puffy for a while. And the guy was not even, I don't think 18 years old at that time, or Justin Bieber. Hey, you want to be a man in the record, you gotta hang out with Puff Daddy, cuz he knows how it's done. And nobody, I mean, not to say, like, I'm so deep into this culture, but like, nobody ever said to me that there was more than that going on. Did you know that there was more than that going on? Did you have a sense?
