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- [00:01]
Cami Verney
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Campside Media Representative
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
Let me introduce you to Cami Verney. She's the kind of woman who's always very put together. Red fingernails, fond of wearing kitten heels. She runs a great home. She's warm, she's inviting.
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Cami Verney
When somebody walks into my house, I want it to feel like a hug from the world. That the world can be stressful. But this is a place of good music, good food, where you break a dish in my house, and you celebrate.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
I don't think you'll be surprised to hear that Cammie's also an amazing mom. You know, the first one to volunteer to chaperone the school field trip, the one who never complains about waiting in the car. Pickup armada at school. And when you finally get in the car, she probably has snacks ready, like, good snacks. She's just super into being a mom. And super into being a wife, too.
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Cami Verney
I made Josh a scrapbook, you know, of our love.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
Every year, Kami's holding a scrapbook in her hands. A very neat and very polished scrapbook. I'd expect nothing less. This book documents her life with her husband, Josh Verney. In the pages, she's saved all sorts of things. Pictures, notes, birthday cards, Playbills. There's even emails.
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Cami Verney
So here. He used to send me these emails, you know, back when that's how you dated.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
And she's got them right in the scrapbook. She's tucked these printed out emails into a little envelope that's made from folded construction paper.
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Cami Verney
We went on a trip to Napa. Yeah, I mean, this is our. This is getting married. Like, he would leave me cute notes, like, on a banana. Let's never split. I'm bananas for you.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
Cami and Josh saw theater. They threw great parties. They went on big and elaborate family vacations. I mean, these are people with some serious money.
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Cami Verney
This was the shore house.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
A huge shore house. Bedrooms for their two beautiful daughters, their daughter's friends, maybe later their daughter's kids. And Cami and Josh would be right there. The adoring grandparents.
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Cami Verney
The best thing that ever happened in my life is when you became my husband.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
Cami's reading a letter that she wrote Josh in thick red pen. It's in this scrapbook.
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Cami Verney
You've brought me more joy than I ever realized was possible. I've never felt more happy or satisfied than when you're near me. You're the best husband, father, partner, and friend. And I love you more each day.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
There are even more letters like this. A bunch of them. And they're all pretty similar. They're heartfelt, intimate, adoring. Even when Josh started having problems, Cami stayed strong in the difficult times.
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Cami Verney
My love for you has gotten more deep and solid than I could have ever imagined. This is all because when we face trouble, we faced it together. I have such faith and trust in you that it made me feel like we can conquer it all. I never felt more like a partner. I love you all over again. But it's too different somehow. It's like we grew up. This year. I can truly feel how proud we are together. With so many people would have fallen apart. I love you so much. And I look forward to walking into our future with new eyes and new strength. Happy anniversary. I'm gonna throw off listening to that. Okay. Okay. But, like, here's. Like, I. Like, this is just Makes me sick now. I look back on this, it's like, pathetic. I'm pathetic. Like, I'm a loser. Like, I just look at it as, like, I'm pathetic. I don't. I can't explain it. It just makes me mad at myself a little bit.
- [04:20]
Vanessa Grigoriadis
Turns out the picture perfect life wasn't what it seemed. He lunged at her across the table. He was. He was like a bull seeing red. The FBI has been sniffing around, was asking them questions. And very often when the FBI starts, sometimes a criminal inquiry will follow.
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Unnamed Family Member
We would all have dinner together, and Josh literally to in my eyes, in my dad's eyes. Why don't you believe me? In my mind, I thought Kami was in on it. And I thought that Kami knew everything that was happening.
- [04:54]
Vanessa Grigoriadis
From Campside Media and Sony Music Entertainment, this is infamous. From Khan to Cupid Episode 1 I'm Vanessa Grigoriadis.
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Natalie Robomed
And I'm Natalie Robomed. So there's this quote about relationships that I read in a novel and I think about all the time. It goes, you'll never know anyone's marriage but your own. And even then, you'll only know half of it. The idea is that however, well we think we know our romantic partners, we never really can know anyone else fully. Even after 20 years and countless egg sandwiches cooked exactly that one specific one morning, they can wake up and still do something that'll surprise you. But what happens if that surprise isn't an egg sandwich? What happens if it turns out to be really bad if the person you loved, the person you were married to, wasn't telling the truth? This is the story of betrayal, fraud, and what you do in the scrapbook life you've made for yourself gets ripped in two.
- [06:09]
Vanessa Grigoriadis
So let's fill you in on Cami's life. And so you know, Josh Verney did not participate in this podcast. Cami and I were actually born in the same year in the 1970s. We probably watched a lot of the same movies growing up. Ferris Bueller, Sixteen Candles, and of course, the Breakfast Club.
- [06:35]
Cami Verney
If I were to actually think back on my childhood, I have such, like, John Hughes vibes. My childhood was. Was very 80s traditional.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
Cami's mom stayed at home and her dad was an attorney. The family had dinner every night at 6:30. Cami wore Guess jeans, went to summer camp, had a bat Mitzvah. She was the kind of girl who, when everybody got Cabbage Patch dolls, she got a lot of them, not just one. But all was not as great as it seemed.
- [07:10]
Cami Verney
I kept a diary. And so when I look at my diary, I was filled with teenage angst. Every day I would write like, my weight on like the top and be like, I hate my body.
- [07:23]
Vanessa Grigoriadis
And all that anxiety about her body only got worse when Cammie left for Syracuse. She'd eat scooped bagels in the morning, a large fat free yogurt in the afternoon. But she was still gaining weight, became.
- [07:36]
Cami Verney
Very heavy in college. So even though I had, you know, all of these, like, nice memories, in retrospect, when I think about college, I was really just very, you know, sad about my weight.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
Cammie was smart, but she sort of screwed up school.
- [07:52]
Cami Verney
My first and second semester at Syracuse were awful. I had a 17 and a 1 9. I have not told my kids that. So if they're listening to this, yeah, guys, Mom's a fraud. It wasn't even like I was a big drinker because I've never been a big drinker. I've never been a pothead. Like, I've just never been, you know, it was more probably laziness. I wasn't fitting in any of my clothes. I was gaining so much weight. I just don't think I wanted to even to put on clothes.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
But after that first year, Cammie got her grades up.
- [08:22]
Cami Verney
Today, if you got a 1.7 and a 1.9, you couldn't go to law school. And I still ended up going to law school. You could blow it academically and be fine. I really loved law school. I didn't really see myself as somebody who was that smart. I could write. I could always write. It was a natural fit because there's a. It's a lot of writing.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
Cami sailed into a job at a law firm, one that her father, Barry, had helped her get.
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Josh Verney
Kami had an extremely successful career for roughly nine years. In my firm, I had a large firm. I represented a lot of very, very bad guys. I didn't have a traditional criminal practice. I represented motorcycle gangs, and I represented this and that. Bad guys want to be surrounded by attractive women because they don't look so bad. If a bad guy commits a crime, he wants is a female attorney sitting around the table. Jurors suggest to themselves, how can he be so bad when he has such a cute attorney next to him?
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
And cammie was definitely cute. What she wasn't was aggressive like most lawyers. That's why she listened to metal in her car.
- [09:38]
Cami Verney
I would listen to really aggressive music in my car. Limp bizkit, corn, you know, Metallica, to try to find that in me. Because my dad would say, a client needs to see that someone's fighting for their behalf. I was friendly with everyone. And then I would say to my dad, you know what? I'm getting results almost easier than you are. Like, you're preparing like a lunatic and fighting. Like, I am going out to dinner with everybody and talking to people and selling my client's story. And we're not even. I'm getting results that, like, my dad would be scratching his head, like, how did you get probation on that? And I'd be like, I just told everybody. We just had a conversation.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
By all accounts, Cammie made it. She had a good professional life. She was charming judges. She was proving that she could live up to all the privilege that she had been bestowed. She just hadn't decided yet if the life she was living was the one she really wanted.
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Josh Verney
In 2009, three days before Halloween, a grisly crime stunned the seaport town of anacortes, Washington.
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Cami Verney
Mark was known as the dog whisperer of anacortes.
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Josh Verney
They soon discovered a story tangled in obsession. Who was the hunter and who was the hunted? Follow and listen to train to kill the dog trainer, the heiress and the bodyguard on the free odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [11:14]
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Josh Verney
This is infamous from Campside Media.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
So all these people you've been hearing about live on the Main Line in Pennsylvania. That's a very she set of suburban towns. And one night when Kami was 27 years old, she and her parents went into Philadelphia. They were having dinner at Brasserie Perrier. That's a French restaurant in the heart of Philadelphia. It has dim lighting and white tablecloths. Cammie's accustomed to these kinds of fancy dinners with her father, the attorney.
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Cami Verney
The restaurant was beautiful, big, luxurious. But I couldn't wait to get out. I mean, like, I was ready to go out. It was a Saturday night, and, like, I was probably leaving to go somewhere else. My brother invited Josh.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
That's the Josh. Josh Verney.
- [12:44]
Cami Verney
Josh has always been big. He was a heavy guy, very heavy. He was probably not as nearly at his heaviest there. I didn't mind a heavy guy at all. Like, I kind of liked a meteor guy because it made me feel small. But he was cute. He, like, he had a handsome face, and, like, he was very personable, likable, like, as likable as they come, you know, he was my younger brother's friend. So I didn't really like thinking of him as, like, potential. Josh left that dinner and said to my brother, I know, as sure as I know my name, I'm gonna marry your sister. And my brother was like, you're not gonna touch my sister. And then my brother called me and was like, that kid that was at dinner said, he's gonna marry you. And I was like, he doesn't have a shot. First of all, I was a lawyer at that point. He never went to college. He was like a drink, a big drinker and a partier. I'm like, not at all. A couple weeks after that, I was out to dinner on another date. And the check came, and Josh was at the restaurant. And he wrote on my date, got the bill. And it said, on the bill, taken care of by Kami's future Husband.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
Now, that's what I'd call a bold move. But Kami wasn't sold, at least not at first.
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Cami Verney
This went on for two years. So I would see, like, his friends out, and they would be like, oh, that's Josh's future wife. It was just a great story. Like, I was literally, like, called all my friends. I was like, you're not going to believe this, but I really. I don't remember giving it much thought other than that's flattering.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
That was all gonna change. Now 2001 is coming to a close. It's New Year's Eve, and Cami, who's cute, with money to burn, is about to head to a party. There's gonna be champagne, confetti, dancing. It's looking to be the perfect night, except for one thing.
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Cami Verney
My mom stayed home because she was so sad that I didn't have a boyfriend over dinner.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
Yes, you heard that right. Kami's mom is so disappointed that Cami is still single that she can't bring herself to celebrate the new year. But it's not just Cami's mom. Cami is also feeling pretty down, and not just about her weight this time. She's down about the thing that most women were down about decades ago when they were in their late 20s and single, not being married.
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Cami Verney
All of my friends were married. I was a bridesmaid every single weekend. I felt, you know, a lot of good friends. I was a bridesmaid every week, and I was feeling really pathetic. So I was definitely feeling, a, like a loser and, b, pressured to get married.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
Unlike her mother, Cami still goes out that night, and who was at that party but Josh Fernie, the guy who's had his eye on Cami for almost two years. And you know what they say. Good things come to those who wait.
- [15:34]
Cami Verney
I kissed him that night. He had a party back at his house after. And I was also a flirt. So, like, he remembers it that, like, I went and I kissed him more back at the house and was like, I'll be back later. And I never came back. And he waited for me all night, so. But he called me right after that. We moved in together two weeks later.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
If it sounds fast, that's because it was. But to Cammie, it didn't feel reckless. It felt like everything was finally falling into place.
- [16:03]
Cami Verney
It was just. So when you plug something in and it just starts to work right, it was, like, immediate. We kissed, we talked, we went on dates, and it was like somebody was serving me everything I could have dreamed of. On a silver platter. He was exciting and he wanted everything that I wanted on the timeline. I could have dreamed of, like warped speed. Let's get you married, let's get you pregnant. He wanted everything I wanted in the same exact timeline. And it was like a miracle. It was a miracle. I mean, I just couldn't even believe this was happening. And how lucky was I? And then totally distracted from work and like, so checked out, like now I was dreaming of like the wedding and the babies and like, this is really happening for me.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
Her career was over in part because of Josh. Here's her father, Barry, her husband took.
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Josh Verney
The position that he didn't want her to represent the kind of people that I represented because it's somewhat dangerous going in the middle of the night to get someone out of bail on bail. Being around people who are unpredictable in terms of temperament and have a larger than life appearance and speak that way. So he wanted Cami to leave the practice of law.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
Cammie and Josh were hitting the fast forward button on life, skipping ahead from one big milestone to the next.
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Cami Verney
So we this. So here's the timeline. January, you know, figured December, you know, we kissed midnight. We were engaged in May, Memorial Day weekend in May. So not. And then we were married one. Exactly one year after that, and a.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
Few months after that, Cami was pregnant with her first daughter, Alexa.
- [18:09]
Cami Verney
It was such a beautiful time. I have this beautiful memory of me nursing her in the middle of the night in a rocking chair and like peeking outside at the moon and like her finger, you know, holding my finger and feeling like I don't even know what to do with all this joy. Like just this. So much joy. And I have the joy of Josh. And I like sneaking in her room and watching her sleep. And like, you don't want to disturb her. So it's like mission impossible. Like you don't want to wake the baby, but just like, you know, sometimes baby sleeps with their little butts in the air and we would like hold each other's hand and be like, oh, my God, like, that's Alexa. Like just this joy of this baby and just so much. And then I was nursing her one day and it felt so tender. I was like, I wonder if I'm pregnant. And I sure enough, I was pregnant with Brooke.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
Two beautiful, healthy daughters, a marriage full of love. But no marriage is perfect. And this one is heading towards its first big test.
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Josh Verney
This is infamous from Campside Media.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
So from the beginning, Cami and Josh's families were really different.
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Cami Verney
I was very cultured. My dad and mom are really bright and very sophisticated. They're also really serious. They are not one for tomfoolery, right? So, like, they're serious people and they love art deeply, deeply love art. And so I grew up with lots of art, lots of discussions about art and that religion is bullshit, but art is what is inspiring and igniting.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
Josh, on the other hand, he had.
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Cami Verney
Never been to an art museum before. So he says, I'm like, you've never been on a school field trip to the art museum? Like, and he's like, not that I remember. Like, Josh was like constantly like burping and like, we don't even. I wasn't even allowed to use the word fart. It would be passing gas.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
Josh came from a family of big personalities, big partiers, and their house was emblematic of theirselves. They had a sculptural thing that spelled out the letters bme that stood for biggest man in the east, which referred to Josh's father. They had a room that they called the Palm Court that had workout equipment and fake trees. They had Bentleys, Ferraris, Lamborghinis, many of them black, just pitch black color. They had a 12 foot long slinky. Cammie describes this house as Scarface meets Weekend at Bernie's.
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Cami Verney
I think that there was some worry about our different backgrounds, you know, and especially that he didn't go to college, which was a value for my parents.
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Josh Verney
Josh did not have a college education. His father believed that it was more important for him to work on the docks first, you know, in their furniture Business and then learn from the ground up. And Cammie was well educated, you know, sophisticated. And Josh, you know, was a, basically a furniture salesman who grew to be the president of a, a multi state furniture empire.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
Here's his sister, Gail Block.
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Unnamed Family Member
I was the first in my whole family to go to college. I had to beg my dad to send me to college. And he was more of like, why do you want to go to college? I have this incredibly successful furniture company that you can just come into.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
That's where the money came from. It was a family furniture business that used to be called Chuck's Bargain House when it was started in 1962. Now it's homeline Furniture.
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Unnamed Family Member
I think as part of like the Homeline culture. It was like almost looked down upon to hire anyone with a college degree. He grew this company and it was uber successful. And he groomed Josh from as early as Josh could remember that he was never going to college and that from the day he graduated from high school, he was going to take over the business.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
So Josh's grandfather had started Homeline, which was pretty cheap furniture that you could also rent to own. Not a glamorous business, not by lawn shot. And he passed it down to Josh's father, who then passed it down to Josh. They had tons of employees, offices overseas, enough swagger to have a really interesting painting of themselves. It's quite something. It's the family gathered around a poker table and they're playing poker with the cast of the Sopranos. I just want to say that one more time. The Sopranos, but they were a lovable family and no member more than Josh.
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Cami Verney
Very, very stable, successful business. He had a huge office and staff that loved him and he was just, he worked really hard, really, really hard. I would visit him at work and just be like, my husband's a big shot.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
Here's Josh Verney. We didn't interview him, but this is him talking on a publicly available podcast.
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J
I've always enjoyed, I've always enjoyed winning. I've always enjoyed making something out of nothing. And that's something that's been staying true to me since I'm a little kid. I still like. If you go into my inbox, I probably get 100 to 110 emails per day. You'll never see one email in my inbox.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
He's working late, making money hand over fist. He's got this devoted wife who loves him more than anything. She's even left her successful law career to be a stay at home mom. And she takes that job super seriously.
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Cami Verney
It was a very, very old fashioned marriage and I was fine with that. Like I'm not, you know, Josh would say, okay, you're getting a new car. I wouldn't even know, like I wouldn't even care what color the car is, what make the car. It's like he made those decisions and I kept a happy home.
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J
But when it comes to numbers and metrics and being able to dive into a solution and or problem solve, that's really what I get obsessive about. So you know, I'm married, I have kids, I have a very understanding wife and who's a phenomenal, phenomenal asset to me and great kids. But I literally can't leave my office or leave my desk until it is what I'm working on is 100% done.
- [25:35]
Vanessa Grigoriadis
And he's able to give her whatever she wants, clothes, vacations, private school for the girls.
- [25:44]
Cami Verney
Then the recession happened. It was definitely stressful. I mean it was definitely stressful. And at that point Josh was crying in the shower because he had to fire people and it was killing him.
- [25:59]
Vanessa Grigoriadis
Josh Verney was struggling to keep things together and suddenly they're falling behind on bills.
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Cami Verney
I was worried about money, but my parents advice to me was like, he is your husband, he is getting beaten up at work. Your job is to make him feel like a king and blow up his balloon so he can rise to the occasion and be the best. Know that like everyone else can tear him down, but his wife believes in him. So I really took that seriously and it wasn't, I wasn't lying. Like I really believed in him and I really believed that he was brilliant and this was going to be a setback. And this was part of our story.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
In 2011, Homeline Furniture went under. That stable, solid family business that had been around for decades was now gone. And they had two little kids, a huge house, little income. But this isn't a total riches to rag story cause Kami's parents stepped in.
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Josh Verney
We're old fashioned parents, okay? My wife and I shared the same value family values. Her parents are survivors of the pogroms in Europe. My father was basically an orphan, lived off the streets. My mother was ended up in Argentina to escape Germany. You know, we were a lower, lower middle class family. However, I never thought we were poor. I never thought we were poor. My grandfather used to make my clothing. He was a Russian tailor. So I used to wear wool in the summer. I thought I was going to die of chafed legs. Honestly. I was wearing winter clothing in the summer because my grandfather Made all my clothing. So my wife and I always stole that. We would do everything we could for our children, and we've lived our life that way. Our children's grandchildren's college was taken care of from the day we were born. We knew we were going to put them through college and graduate school, and we started saving for that. There was really no issue. When Josh and Cammie confronted us that they needed assistance, I looked at my wife and she looked at me, and we simply wrote a check.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
The girls stayed in private school, and Josh and Cami didn't lose the house like so many others did at that time. And Josh seemed like he took his role as provider very seriously. Almost immediately after Homeline shuttered its doors, he started a new business. It was called Work Pays.
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J
We started a business called WorkPayz. And that business took that benefit to large companies where employees, instead of borrowing up against a 401k or going to high interest credit cards, they had the ability to be able to purchase large ticket items. We would deliver it within a week and take it right out of their paycheck over one year.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
A startup, an Internet based startup. He was a visionary founder who had an idea of an online marketplace where employees could buy things, things like furniture, and then pay for them over time with the money coming straight out of their paychecks. And he dove headfirst into trying to build it. He worked long hours, nights, weekends, took business trips.
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Cami Verney
There was a woman that started to work with him. She was very sexy. And I had a bad feeling about it. I didn't like it. I knew something was amiss. He kept on saying that I was crazy. I was crazy, I was crazy. And it was like New Year's Day. And we had friends over and he asked me to get his phone. He was supposed to leave the next day on a business trip with her. And I felt so uncomfortable about it. And I picked up his phone. There was a text from her saying, I want to fuck you so hard right now. And I was just. I couldn't believe it. I just couldn't believe it. Like, my whole world just upended in that moment, that one sentence. And I came out and I was just broken. I was completely broken. Like, are you kidding me? Like, we have sex. I love you. I'd do anything for you. I'm not making you feel bad. I'm your doing everything for you. Like, why would. Why? And he just. He killed me.
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Vanessa Grigoriadis
Cami felt like she had done everything right. She left her career so she could be a perfect wife. Followed her parents advice, built him up even when things were difficult, tucked love letters to him into a scrapbook. And somehow none of it was enough.
- [30:59]
Cami Verney
I did go to therapy at that point, and I was angry and I was hurt and I didn't know what to do. And my kids were little. Like, they were little. I didn't want to divorce him. Like, I didn't want to be, like, separate and like, I dropped them off at your house. Like, I didn't want it. And we'd agreed that we were going to work on our marriage. And my therapist at the time, she said, like, at some point, Cami, like, you can't punish him. Like, you're going to have to decide if you're going to stay with him. You're not going to live in the past anymore. And you're going to have to. At some point, at some point, I don't care where it is. You're going to have to move forward or divorce him. Either choice is totally fine, but just make the choice. And I made the choice to, like, I didn't trust him, but I was working towards it. And so he would say to me all the time, like, do you trust me? 70%. Do you trust me? 80%. This went on for a really long time. And then, like years later, I wrote him a Valentine's Day card and said, I trust you 100%.
- [31:55]
Vanessa Grigoriadis
Cami thought she'd rebuilt what they had lost, that the worst was behind them. That's what she chose to believe. And in a lot of ways, things did go back to normal. In 2014, Josh sold workpays Me and they were back on top. They resumed their fairytale lifestyle. Josh was raking in millions. Cami was keeping the perfect home.
- [32:21]
Cami Verney
It was so exciting. Like, we ended up selling this company to a company. I think it was sold for like $10 million or something like that, which is amazing, right? Like, totally amazing. There's nothing to sneeze about, right? But not only did he sell it for that, he got shares to a company that was potentially valued at a billion dollars. It was so exciting. Like, it just. I was so proud of him. Like, he did it. He did it. You know, he really was able to create this. It was incredible.
- [32:58]
Vanessa Grigoriadis
But on some level, even if she said she trusted Josh, Cami could feel that something was off.
- [33:06]
Cami Verney
I have a dream log in my phone because I would write down my dreams. So I would say I was having the same reoccurring nightmare about having a tampon, bad tampon dream. I know this is gross. So I hope you're not eating. But like that. I would have a tampon in. I would pull it out, and there'd be another one. I'd have a tampon in, and they'd pull it out, and there'd be another one. And I think that it was feeling polluted from the inside out, that there was something. It was so dirty. The whole thing was dirty.
- [33:33]
Vanessa Grigoriadis
Next time on from Khand to Cupid. Kami was the type of wife that.
- [33:39]
Cami Verney
Literally would put on lingerie and do her hair and makeup when Josh when.
- [33:45]
Vanessa Grigoriadis
She knew Josh was coming home.
- [33:46]
Cami Verney
It's like going into a crowded room where you're the. You know, it's not in your head. You're the subject of gossip.
- [33:52]
Vanessa Grigoriadis
They were gallivanting around because they were the hosts.
- [33:54]
Josh Verney
Cammie was, in a strange way, a thoroughfare to people who had money.
- [34:01]
Cami Verney
Sa.