Podcast Summary: Infamous

Episode: Jeffrey and Ghislaine’s Secrets | Part 4

Date: October 2, 2025
Hosts: Vanessa Grigoriadis, Natalie Robehmed
Featuring: Jose Lambier, Thomas Volschaux, Virginia Giuffre, Ghislaine Maxwell

Overview of the Episode

This fourth installment of "Jeffrey and Ghislaine’s Secrets" focuses on Jeffrey Epstein’s 2019 arrest, the questions surrounding his death, and the ensuing shift of scrutiny onto Ghislaine Maxwell. The episode explores the aftermath of Epstein’s highly publicized fall, delving into allegations, conspiracy theories, victim testimonies, and the mysterious dynamics involving powerful individuals whose names appeared in Epstein’s inner circle. The hosts guide listeners through the chain reaction set off by new investigations and the media storm, culminating in Maxwell’s conviction and reflections on unresolved secrets.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Epstein’s Arrest and the Renewed Investigation

• Epstein returns to the U.S. in 2019, believing he’s above indictment due to his past legal escapes.
  • “He didn’t really face consequences in Palm Beach. Why would this be any different?” – Natalie Robehmed [00:53]
• The Miami Herald’s 2018 investigation by Julie K. Brown becomes a turning point, spurring federal action.
• Epstein is arrested at Teterboro Airport by a joint FBI-NYPD task force after surveillance revealed his movements contradicted his travel declarations.
  • “They board his aircraft, announce his charges and arrest him.” – Thomas Volschaux [10:42]
• Charged with sex trafficking and conspiracy, Epstein is denied bail and placed in a grim Manhattan prison, the Metropolitan Correctional Center.

2. The Role of Victims and Media

• Virginia Giuffre (Roberts) goes public in 2011, alleging she was trafficked to Prince Andrew and claiming Ghislaine Maxwell facilitated the abuse.
  • “You’re gonna meet a prince today... I knew I had to keep him happy because that’s what Jeffrey and Ghislaine would expect from me.” – Virginia Giuffre [03:29]
• Mainstream U.S. attention lags behind the UK, where the scandal damages Prince Andrew’s reputation.
• Media figures recall the intensity and resistance to reporting on Epstein, with attempts to intimidate journalists and kill stories.
  • “Epstein shows up in the editor’s office... He’s trying to intimidate her.” – Thomas Volschaux [06:54]

3. Powerful Friends and Guilt by Association

• Despite his conviction, Epstein maintains relationships with high-status individuals, including Bill Gates and Ehud Barak—individuals who deny knowledge of his crimes.
• The episode discusses the circulation of Epstein’s “little black book” and flight logs and cautions against blanket assumptions:
  • “You have to be very careful... it doesn’t mean that every name is a broken individual.” – Jose Lambier [18:53]

4. Epstein’s Death: Suicide or Conspiracy?

• Epstein is found dead in his cell in August 2019 after a first suicide attempt. The night of his death, protocols are inexplicably broken:
  • Guards fail to check on him, his cellmate is transferred, CCTV footage is missing.
• Ghislaine Maxwell casts doubt on the suicide narrative:
  • “I do not believe he died by suicide.” – Ghislaine Maxwell [13:20]
  • “In prison where I am... they will kill you—or somebody can pay a prisoner to kill you for $25 worth of commissary is about the going rate for a hit with a lock today.” – Ghislaine Maxwell [13:36]
• Thomas Volschaux disagrees, describing the scene as textbook suicide given Epstein’s situation and high risk as a child predator.
  • “His prison cell looks like a textbook suicide that you find in a prison... where somebody ties a bunch of ligatures out of bed sheets and hangs themself from a bunk bed.” – Thomas Volschaux [14:08]

5. The Shift to Ghislaine Maxwell

• After Epstein’s death, attention turns to Maxwell. She briefly resurfaces in LA in a photo with a book on CIA operatives—possibly signaling deeper conspiracies—then disappears again until her arrest in July 2020.
• Virginia Giuffre intensifies her accusations:
  • “She’s worse than Epstein. She did things even worse than Epstein did. She was vicious, she was evil, and she was a woman... she was the mastermind.” – Virginia Giuffre [15:15]
• Maxwell’s trial and conviction are recounted; the evidence is described as “not particularly strong,” yet she is sentenced to 20 years.

6. The “Mythic” Documents & Blackmail Theories

• Epstein’s flight logs and birthday book fuel conspiracies about the extent of elite involvement—names like Clinton, Trump, Kevin Spacey, Larry Summers.
• Insight into the “birthday book” with bizarre and inappropriate messages and artwork, including notes from Clinton and a mock screenplay from Trump.
• Maxwell is questioned about whether presidents engaged in sexual activity or received massages. She denies witnessing anything illicit.
  • “I don’t believe [Clinton] did... I don’t believe there was ever a massage on the plane.” – Ghislaine Maxwell [22:38]
  • “Trump was always very cordial and very kind to me... I like him, and I’ve always liked him.” – Ghislaine Maxwell [23:13]

7. Was Epstein Blackmailing the Rich and Powerful?

• The podcast examines the theory that Epstein generated kompromat (compromising material) for leverage over his high-powered associates.
• Cameras in Epstein’s Manhattan apartment could have collected footage for blackmail, but no tapes have been publicly released.
  • “To me, Epstein seems like an operator... someone who is in turn charming and manipulative, who will stop at nothing to advance in the world.” – Vanessa Grigoriadis [26:16]
• The Bill Gates relationship is cited as a case where Epstein may have sought to gain influence via private information.

8. Ghislaine’s Denials and Excuses

• Maxwell repeatedly minimizes or denies her involvement, blaming Epstein’s behavior on testosterone therapy and likening the social environment to “Sex and the City.”
  • “I don't think the man I met is the man that he became... he started doing testosterone, and that altered his character.” – Ghislaine Maxwell [28:36]

9. Legacy, Unanswered Questions, and Epilogue

• Virginia Giuffre died by suicide in April 2025; her memoir is forthcoming.
• Epstein remains a symbol of unfinished business and public suspicion; his notoriety persists as new information surfaces or recirculates.
  • “The years may come and go, but every so often he’s going to pop back into the news and the whole country will wait and watch for the... truth.” – Natalie Robehmed [32:04]

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Virginia Giuffre on Epstein & Maxwell:
  “She’s worse than Epstein... she was the mastermind.” [15:15]
• Ghislaine Maxwell on the Prince Andrew photo:
  “The idea of him doing anything of that nature in my house... is so mind blowingly not conceivable to me... No. Is there any way that it could have happened? No.” [04:32]
• On guilt by association:
  “Be careful. Not everybody needs to be painting in the same light here.” – Jose Lambier [18:53]
• On blackmail and manipulation:
  “He was courting Bill Gates... Epstein informed Bill Gates that he knew that Gates had this... young Russian woman... so it’s kind of like this intimidation thing.” – Thomas Volschaux [27:09]
• On the enduring mystery:
  “But the craziest and wildest tale ended up being about his death by dying under such strange circumstances.” – Natalie Robehmed [31:51]

Timestamps for Key Segments

• Epstein’s 2019 Arrest: [00:07]–[11:04]
• Virginia Giuffre’s Testimony & UK Fallout: [02:50]–[06:20]
• Media Intimidation and Killed Stories: [06:54]–[07:24]
• Feds Investigate Post–#MeToo: [09:19]–[10:22]
• Epstein’s Death & Conspiracy Theories: [12:04]–[14:46]
• Maxwell’s Pursuit, Arrest, and Trial: [15:15]–[17:05]
• Flight Logs & The “Birthday Book”: [17:05]–[22:35]
• Presidents and Epstein – Maxwell’s Responses: [22:35]–[24:16]
• Blackmail/Kompromat Discussion: [25:55]–[28:02]
• Ghislaine’s Excuses & Minimizing: [28:36]–[30:39]
• Epilogue – Giuffre’s Death & Ongoing Mysteries: [31:47]–[32:09]

Final Thoughts & Teaser

The episode closes with a preview of the final installment, focusing on the Prince Andrew angle and unresolved threads from the Epstein saga. The tone throughout remains investigative, occasionally incredulous, and determined to separate fact from myth.

Next episode teaser: "We’ll go deep on the case of that royal who has been semi excommunicated... Prince Andrew." [32:09]

For anyone looking for clarity on the tangled web of Epstein’s crimes, Maxwell’s conviction, and the ongoing cultural shadows, this episode offers crucial context, direct testimony, and a sobering reminder of how power and secrecy can warp justice.