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How will the skill sets of the 2026 roster help Texas pin and pull players to the ground?
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Welcome to it live on the Inside Texas Football YouTube channel, powered by InsideTexas.com I'm Joe Cook. That's Justin Wells. That's Ian Boyd. Thank you all for watching. Make sure you like the video. Subscribe to the channel and head to insidetexas.com use that first link in our description or that QR code at the top left of the screen. Join for just a dollar, then get 50 off for your first year. Great time to join. Camp is just around the corner. Fiscal year is a good calendar to get on when it comes to making sure you're on Inside Texas on the annual rate. So come join Inside Texas for $1 and get 50% off your first year. One month. Week 0 is just around the corner. Gonna be a lot of fun. I. I am looking forward to the day when week zero becomes week one. I think that's going to be here before we know it, but we still have TCU in North Carolina playing in Hawaii or in Ireland. We got people flying out to the islands of Hawaii. Gonna be a lot of fun. Congrats on the new pickup. Yeah, Tyler Horca joining the crew. He'll probably be doing shows like this Veteran Veteran in a couple years younger than me. So covered Mississippi State, covered Mike Leach, covered Brian Kelly, covered Marcus Freeman at Notre Dame, guy who knows his way around college football and the Longhorn for sure. And then going through a couple more comments tomorrow. Tomorrow's my last day, so this is one of my last Thursday. This is my last Thursday live. I'm gonna miss going over schemes with, with Justin and Ian and going over, going over SEC football with y' all because that's. I do that article just to talk about it on here and I, I love just going back and forth and talking about stuff like Tennessee and Ole Miss and of course, Texas football. When is the book dropping on Amazon? Paul put out Thinking Texas Football yesterday. The easiest way to get it is from Smash Words. That's where you can get the digital download. Amazon prime prints it. I think there was details on Inside Texas about that. I think it takes a few days and. And Amazon has a weird thing where it meets demand. But if you can deal with a digital copy. I read it right here every single year, usually on my flight to the first game or on the drive to the first game because that's when you can absorb it all. So go check that out. Make sure Homer starts putting links to that in the description.
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We'll discuss it on the deep dive. Apparently once I read it, whenever I, Whenever I finish reading it, then we'll, we'll be, we'll dive into some of the particular insights of thinking Texas football on the deep dive. So not today, but maybe next week.
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I was about to say, don't you have your deep dives today?
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Yeah,
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it's not today.
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I haven't got a copy yet, so I haven't. We're definitely not gonna.
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I, I always, I'm, I'm not even joking when I say like, like I read it on the way to Ohio State last year. Like that's when I read it. And part of it is because I, granted I'm not the same writer as Paul is, but like, I'm doing a lot of the same thing at that point. So then I want to read his perspective right before the game and, and get some insight maybe on what I may have missed, not only from the roster perspective, but from the team perspective and then just the, the state of college football perspective. That's, that's one of the things I enjoy. And of course, Eric goes through and talks about the recruiting class as well, so lots of good stuff in that book. And yeah, next week, training camp starts. Justin, you've had five offensive players. Can you give us one of the defensive players who you're really looking forward to at the start of camp?
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Yes, I can. There's going to be four more to that up on Inside Texas here in just a bit, guys. Man, I was gonna say somebody and then I was just thinking of somebody else.
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Is it Colin Simmons?
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No, no, it's not, it's not Colin Simmons. And, and let's not pretend that I'm not excited about Colin Simmons, but I tried to, to go with guys that weren't overly obvious. And I'll give you one taste and I think you guys know who this is. His name is Jelani McDonald. He's the starting safety at Texas. He's played in 39 games. Guys got 110 tackles, eight past breakups, five tackles for loss, four interceptions. He's a multi sport kid. I saw this kid play four sports
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in high school, played quarterback, including quarterback.
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I'm just so excited for Jelani because here's the thing, he's got huge shoes to fill. And even though Michael Tap only wears 11 and a half, these are still big shoes to fill. And we understand that he was the quarterback back there. And so Jelani's got a lot ahead of him. But my goodness, if you talk to people close to the program and if you catch up with Mr. Taff, he's going to tell you that position might get better.
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The thing with Jelani and with that safety position, and I was on with our. Our buddy Mike Craven and Carter Yates for Dave Campbell's. That'll come out in a little bit, I think, this week for a Texas preview. And they're like, what's. What's your concern? And, you know, I'm not. He asked about Mus champ and, like, I'm not concerned about Muschamp. We, We. We know that he's still got his fastball. But my main concern on the defense right now is safety depth, because last year they didn't tap into it at all. And there are a lot of different reasons for that, and Dwayne Aquina, unfortunately, is one of them.
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That group took a step back last
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year, but, you know, we have a good understanding of what's there with Jelani McDonald and with Derrick Williams, but behind those guys, yeah, you have a lot of program guys, but they're not as experienced as you would like. And Michael Taff and Jelani McDonald were on the field for almost every snap last year. So safety depth is like. And that's better than saying, like, starting safety. I don't know who's going to be, you know, free safety. That's the thing that has me a little bit, like, cautious.
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And the beauty of this, though, Joe, is there's a safety in that room that used to start as a true freshman.
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Yeah.
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Now he's healthy, and now he's back with his. His coach, Gideon. He's back with him some Potico. So I'm with you. And I love Kobe Black being back at safety to kind of boost up that a little bit, because I don't know what they can expect from Jonah Williams, but that article will come out. It's gonna be five guys I'm really, really excited about. We'll be able to. I'll pop that out as soon as the show's over. But I want to talk about Joe's. Joe's article today.
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We'll.
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We'll do that. That'll be the last thing because.
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Okay, okay.
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Because I think we got Ryan Nelson over here springboarding us into a good conversation, but maybe in a little bit of a different direction than I think he wants to. And, Ian, you can take this how you want. This Texas offense needs the inside zone, you see, from Lane Kiffin's offense to really get us into an elite top 10 link ranking. We talked about Sark as an offensive genius, but Lane has been the one doing top 10 offenses over the 10 years of the SEC. Ryan, I got good news and bad news. You're gonna see inside zone, but this offensive line has some skill sets that may allow it to do the gap schemes pretty well. Right, Ian?
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Yep. An outside zone. Outside.
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Yeah.
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They. I think that they are going to major in outside. You got that quote from Relik Brown, right, Joe?
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Yeah. Duo and outside zone.
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Duo and outside zone are a great pairing. Outside zone. Obviously, everybody moves lateral. That was the game plan against Oklahoma when they went in against Oklahoma. They're like a million different outside versions of outside zone, duo, and that's going to be pretty much it. And that was very, very effective because they pair very well. That's how, like Sean McVeigh does it a lot in the second half.
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It took a little bit to get going, but it got going all the same.
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They moved the ball. They just didn't produce a bunch of points from it.
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They got more in the second half. I'll tell you what. There was a run in the first half, like on the first drive, Weisner. Wisner hit an outside zone run on a crease. And I was like, huh, that's promising. That's still. And then it was, you know, it was a little dry for a minute. But today there's one other. What is that dog doing? There's one other scheme that I think we're gonna see mixed in a lot more that I wrote about today, and that's the pin and pull sweep stuff.
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So when. When you talk about pin and pull, kind of explain. Explain it pretty simply. Like what. Who's. Who is pinning, who is pulling. I know it depends on, you know, who you're choosing on that particular scheme. But what. What is pin and pull?
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It's one of the most clearly named concepts in all of football. You're outside, like your. Your tight end in particular. It's going to try to pin the end, defensive end inside so that he can't set a hard edge. And then you pull linemen around the tight end, the lead block on the perimeter. And so ideally, you're pinning down the end and then you're pulling like both guards or a guard in a center or just a center or just a guard. And then they get to go around on the edge and just pulverize whoever's there. Probably a linebacker, but sometimes maybe like a corner or safety. And that's where, know, real magic happens is when you get Trevor Goosby, who's actually nimble enough to get in front of a corner, and then you get to see the corner Be like, man, I didn't come here for this.
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And so what you, you start things off with, you start with the offensive linemen who have the skill set at least last year to, to be nimble and, and get on the move. But the thing that was missing was somewhere else in the offensive position groups.
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Yeah, well, they had a few good pullers. The funny thing is that the, the left guard spot was not often good at pulling. Like Connor Stroh was not a very good puller for obvious reasons. He just wasn't nimble enough to find guys in the move very well. Didn't come up with Baker very much. But like, it's pretty tough to run guard pole schemes if one of your guards is like not good at it. Right. It just turns you, it makes you like extremely left handed this year. Both tackles are athletic and can pull. If it's Seymour and, and Baker, I haven't seen a lot of them pulling, but they're both very athletic and mobile. So it makes sense that they could be good at it. And then Connor Robertson is actually like way above average at that as a center. So that's all very promising. And then more importantly, perhaps last year they could not run true pin and pull. They had some sweeps that they ran, some that were okay based on which guard was pulling, but they did not have tight ends that could actually pan a defensive end. So if they were facing a formation where the end was in position to set an edge and they couldn't kick him out with a guard by alignment, then it was like you just can't run those plays because the Titans are not going to be able to block him this year. I think Shannon can do it. Probably depending on the defensive end. Massunas can do it for sure. He's been doing it for a year or two. Maybe Nick Townsend can do it too. We'll see how he looks when he's like in line this year. But he's a powerful dude and a very willing blocker.
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So you think, you would think that Nick Townsend could do it to where it has to be respected from 11 personnel. Yeah, that type of thing.
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Absolutely.
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Like, and that's all he needs to be able to do is make it respectable. Especially if he's going to be potentially the, the one tight end out there.
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He's the one guy that can do both. He can block and catch. Like that's the one guy in that room. Not the one, but like the best in that room in my opinion.
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You know, Justin, I will say I was surprised how well Shannon and Massunas looked catching the ball in spring. Okay. But I'll tell you something that Townsend can do that those dudes cannot do.
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Catch the football.
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No, that's what I just said.
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Play.
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Play fullback.
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No, he's probably better at that run.
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Well, yeah, he was a track. He was. He was.
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He is like
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run track his senior year.
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Yeah. He's a supremely above average athlete for the Titan position.
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Yes.
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And Massunas is like the bottom end of athleticism for tight end. And then Shannon, it's a little hard to tell because he's been getting between. He's in between. Yeah.
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Was a multi sport guy too. Like, Shannon was gonna play baseball in. In the. He was going to pitch in the majors up until what is about freshman year, sophomore year in high school. And he hit a gross spurt and he's like, you know what? Football is more fun. And so Shannon's got. That. Got some sneaky athleticism there. That kid could. Could throw in the mid-90s.
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Man, we need to see him. We need to see him more on the like Gunner Helm type stuff.
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I don't think he's that. I think he's more mechanical, but I also think he might be a bigger, stronger version.
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So Gunner Helm was being strong, so that's good.
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So let's. I got this one pulled up right here. Let me get to it. You call this a CG sweep rpo. So where tell people where the run's going, what the actual RPO is and what to look for. The ball's about to be in Arch's hands here. I have it paused. But what. What are we. What are we about to see?
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So the end is really wide on the top. He's outside of the tight end. Even if you wanted to try to pin him, you're never going to pin him with the tight end because he's outside of you. For Texas, that's good because that means the tight end doesn't have anyone across from him. So Jack Injuries is able to block down on a linebacker, which is a much easier job. Then they pull the right guard and the center around. The guard comes first. His job is to clear out that defensive end and kick him wide. And then the second puller, the center, I think whoever the second puller is, he lead blocks in between the down block and the. So this is like a power sweep.
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All right.
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All these sweet play. Let me say real quick, this will come up later, but all these sweet plays are really good for RPOs because you're pulling linemen to one side of the field. And then you've got like a bubble screen on the bottom. So if you're the. If you're a linebacker or a safety, then you're like, which one of these two things do I respect? Do I get on my horse to get over here where their guard is pulling, or do I get on my horse to go over here where they're throwing a screen to a guy in space? And so it's two things at the same time and it become. It splits the defense like the Red Sea. It's really tough.
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I've been playing a good amount of the college football video game lately, and I hate when this happens because I am the most anti formation into the boundary person ever. I don't like putting three people, actually four people into the boundary like Texas.
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I think you're clogging up the area or something.
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I. I am. Space is what's needed for me. And I.
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You clock, you can clog up the spots.
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Yeah.
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Here's another trick, Joe. When you're playing this game or if you're just watching on tv, if it's an RPO with like a quick pass or a run, whichever one is going to the wide side of the field is probably the one the offense wants to do. The one in the boundary is probably just to distract you.
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So let's. I'm gonna press play on this one.
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And I like that center and guard
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with Jack injuries blocking down. Let's watch it happen. So, boom, he gets to the. And there goes Cole Hudson. So Cole Hudson.
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Pretty good by Hudson. Easy pin blocks for the tight end and the tackle. It's a really good design. They don't get that much for it.
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Yeah. Kind of a rough go for Baker there.
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Baker, that. That did not help. That Baker got shoved backwards
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on that play.
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That's. And that guy's playing for the Texans right now, I'm pretty sure.
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So also, Baker more or less held the point. Yeah, it was. It looks bad because he ends up on his butt, but it wasn't. It was not that. It was not a disastrous blocker.
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Oh, boy, this one's bad. I'll. We will subject us to maybe one to two playings of this. So quarterback second and goal. Quarterback sweep is perfectly designed and just arch runs the wrong way on it.
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So. Well, It's not that he necessarily ran the wrong way. It's that he. It's that the first puller Stro does not win decisively. And so Hudson is like, I gotta get around. I gotta lead outside. But Manning's Like I'm on the goal line. I just need to cut and get what I can. And so that, that incongruity is the problem. So it just made a better block. Then it would have been simpler for everybody.
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So this is a good question from Michael Welch and I'm curious, there have been some other questions about two back sets. Is there a chance to use Cooper as a fullback while pinning and pulling? I don't think. I think you use Cooper as the running back for pinning and pulling.
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It's intriguing because Cooper's a big guy, but that doesn't mean he needs to, like, he can run around you, he can run past you.
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The point of pin and pull is you lead block with lineman. So the key trait for pin and pull is the pinning tight end. You don't want. You don't want. It's not a formation for, it's not a play for fullbacks because the guys that are going to get a running start and lead, block and move are not fullbacks. They're the linemen.
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Yeah.
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Plus, also, also what's a fullback?
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Yeah. Derek Cooper did not grow up wanting to be a fullback.
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But to give him credit, Derek Cooper was a really, really good inside linebacker. So if he was asked or tasked in some of that regard, I wouldn't,
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I wouldn't, I would give you, I'll give you this nugget. I don't know how many people remember for like the last several years Tex Sarcast this formation he likes to use in short yardage. Or he'll have like a fullback to one side and a running back behind the quarterback and maybe another running back and just all sorts of stuff going on. But then the quarterback will turn and make a Quick handoff to the fullback and just hit the middle.
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You're talking about the Nick Townsend touchdown against Texas A and M the first.
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No, no, not that quarter. No, that was like a sweep. I'm talking about sweep. Yeah, it was. Oh, I don't think that was a sweet.
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Because remember they ran the exact same play against Michigan and Michigan was ready for it.
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That was a two. It was a two and two set. It wasn't that fancy, but that with
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the quarterback literally just snapped. Turn around. Because it almost looked like Townsend was coming in motion in a sense.
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Right?
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Not that one.
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Not that one. This is like, like Wisner would be the tailback and. And Baxter would be a fullback. Was running around a little bit.
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I could probably find it. And Jared Gibson. Jared Gibson did it a lot. I'm trying to remember who else I. Cooper. Cooper would do that, I think a lot. That fullback dive, I could see him doing that because I don't know if they have a better candidate for that than him other than maybe Townsend or.
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Townsend's gonna get some rushing touchdowns this year.
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Jail Walker could do it, but he's not gonna play. So it'd be like Cooper, but Jet
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Walker could do it.
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God forbid. Michael Terry, maybe. No, no, I'm with y'.
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All.
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It was not a fumble with Justin Wells. It was not a fumble. And Gibson didn't fumble on that one. It was like all the normal stuff that he would fumble on.
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Yeah, he fumbled on handoffs, regular handoffs. You talked a little bit about how when Cole Hudson got moved to left guard and you know, Con Robertson got plugged in at center, things started working a little bit more. There's a potential that, that, that could happen, but that all depends on maybe some court system. Either way, Connor Robertson is going to be the center. And Texas this year because of tight ends and because of just athleticism has some guys that you're identifying as making this a potential to be a pretty strong change up from what we're expecting the main courses to be this year, right?
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Yeah, it'll be a good change up for. I mean, it'll be great for like hitting the edge with a Relique Brown or a Hollywood Smother. These like fast guys, you know, it's great for the RPOs. Yeah, I think just it's mostly going to be a change up. It's not going to be like a all the time thing, but it could be a great change up.
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Can you run this from 12?
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Oh, yeah. You sit.
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Here we go.
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She's out of Milk.
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Hey, sunshine.
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Well, I mean, that's terrible.
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C
She's giving us Sada.
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B
She's furious.
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Oh, my goodness. If you need to go take care of that, you go ahead.
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Her brother can do it. Yeah, you can.
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Definitely a bunch of touchdowns because I saw Jonah's clips. I don't know if people know this, but, Jonas, Jonah's gonna be a star.
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He's. He scored one touchdown and it was nice. Did he do the dirty team has scored three.
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C
What is. Who has scored three?
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His entire team.
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Well, so that means he's a third of their offense.
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Yes.
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I'm sitting here. I saw the clip that Ms. Cat sent. I. I know that Cord Samuels is already recruiting him. I know.
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Yeah, Cord was trying to. Trying to recruit him for his six year old team. Down.
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I'm waiting for Ian to say, hey, I need. I need a strong safety so I can bring Alexander down.
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I was telling Cord, I was like. I was like, Cord, here on the Maps app, I'm like, liberty Hill is an hour and a half from New Braunfels.
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C
So that's less than how much I drive to take my son to practice and back home every day. He can do it.
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You can do it. I'm not gonna do it.
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C
You make Cord do it.
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Okay, that's. That's an interesting idea.
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There you go.
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Is that the I hear. That's the UIL I hear calling.
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There's no rules in these rec leagues.
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That's. That's true. There's only emails from mad parents.
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So you. You kind of identify all the different running aspects. This will factor in on RPOs a good amount. And we see. I hate this, but we see Texas pull guards for pass protection, which, it's annoying, but I understand why they do it. As far as the receivers go in these RPOs that you'll see. What is it? What. Does this do anything different for them or is it just like, okay, we can have RPOs on this.
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Yeah, just. It's good for normal bubble screens and now screen all the, all the, like perimeter screens that people love or hate. It's really good for those. It's maybe arguably better than like inside zone or counter. Because what I said about how you're moving. The point of it, when you pull linemen, you're telling linebackers, I gotta get over there. My gap just moved way over there. And if I don't get over there fast, I'm gonna be at the mercy of this 300 pound dude with leverage, and it's going to be really Bad for me. And so that tends to separate the defense more effectively and then make it harder for them to, you know, be in two spots at once.
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I'm excited for this. I. I think this will, this will work pretty well this year. And you know, a lot of it also depends on the quarterback, you know, our chest to make the right reads in true RPOs. I think he's gotten more and more of that on his plate.
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He's gonna make those throws too.
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Yeah. Because that's what Quinn was fantastic at. And Arch still good at it, but not to the level of Quinn Ewers. It's a good. Here's a good comment from or Guy Williams. David. A lot more concerned about usage and scheme. Sark has not done a great job of using all his skill talent on offense. Relik Brown and Hollywood Smothers need to rotate equally. I hope there's not significantly more usage of one over the other. I'd like to see both get 150 carries and a thousand yard. I would like to see both get 150 carries in a thousand yards because that means a lot of explosive runs.
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Okay.
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B
Cool.
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C
All right, Big Red. But you're not gonna get that much out of Relique Brown.
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B
Why not?
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I'll tell you why. Because Relique Brown's first carry to his 12th carry is his optimal. Go look at his numbers. His average from the first carry, the 12 carry is pretty standard. Pretty, pretty, pretty average. Anything after 12 to 15 is bad.
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B
Really.
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I think that's okay.
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And I also know this talking to Arizona State coaches over the spring.
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Have you written on this? That's really interesting.
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C
Explosive. But as the game goes on he does not get stronger. He has a punch tag. And if once you hit him to enough times, we're done. And you gotta take him, you gotta take him off the field.
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Do we have an article on this? And we broke that down.
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I, I think we've been pretty forthright
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about, talked about this pretty openly since they brought him on.
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I think we've talked about how it's going to be pretty. 1A, 1B right.
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Smothers I think is going to be more of your bull guy.
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We could look that up though.
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We could pull those numbers.
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What is yards per carry gets to.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Once he hits the 15 carry mark. I've been told I wouldn't give him the ball again.
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I don't, I don't. I think you're being this. I think what you're saying may be received negatively.
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It could no, no, I'm not trying to be negative at all.
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But I, I think it's true. And that's even for somebody who is honest. Yeah. And that's someone who is a thousand yard back a little bit more by necessity. Like. And it's, it's not because Arizona State was like this is our best player. We got to get him the ball. Like Jordan.
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If Blake Bryant's numbers are correct, that justifies partly what I'm saying.
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Yeah, like Jordan Tyson went down and Sam Levitt got hurt. Like they had to ride him. He is a one hitter.
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They had another running back that was going to be their starter who got injured in the first game.
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Yeah, he wasn't even the starter.
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He was.
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You know what?
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They kind of viewed him as a gadget back, a Keelin Robinson type back. He's not gonna get a thousand yards rushing, guys. That's not who he is. That's not a knock on relief, Brown. But that's not the running back he is. He's more of a gadget back. Catch it in the space. Get the ball out and open. You give him the ball 8 to 12 times a game. Relik Brown is going to kill it for Texas. You, you go over that 15 carry mark. You're playing with dynamite. Because then you get to go look at the fumble history after the 15 carry mark.
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I, I think, yeah, I, I like, I get what you're saying and I think it's true. And that's why they have both and that's why they have Derek Cooper and that's why they have, that's why they
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have all of those guys. Ain't Eric Joe just killed it? Yes.
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Yeah, like that's why they brought in all those guys.
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If they thought Relik could do that all themselves, there's no reason to bring Smothers with him.
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Yeah, I'm gonna look, I'm gonna look this up. I'm gonna steal Yalls content for an article later.
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Hey, go right ahead, Ian.
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I thought you and I had talked about this before because you know, we're still.
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B
Maybe, but I don't feel like we're
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C
still connected to a lot of those Arizona State guys.
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B
Yeah, yeah, but we could, I mean I can look it up and then we'll have the numbers to show people and that'll be interesting.
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C
And again, don't, don't make it look negative. Like I'm not trying that. I'm telling you, 8 to 12 carry Relik Brown.
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B
No, no, no. Here's the framing.
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C
Dangerous like that's a dude that can win ball games for you.
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B
Okay, Stick everybody behind the curtains. Here's. Here's how you frame it. Why Derek Cooper could be primed for opportunity in 2026.
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I'm about. I'm about to pull up Rayleigh Brown's game log from last year.
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B
Yeah, but you got to go carry by carry.
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A
I know. And that's going to be tough.
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Well, I'll do it later.
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He let me. The most attempts he had, he had three games. Oh, my gosh. He had three games where he had more than 20 carries. One of them was TCU. He got 134 yards at 6.4 a clip. One of them was against Baylor. 80 yards, 3.8. And then he ran through a Colorado team that had quit, had multiple explosives. 22 carries, 255. A rushing touchdown and receiving touchdown.
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So homeboy can score, homeboy can score. And if you keep it within that 8, 12, 13, 14 range, that's where he's optimal. Some running backs get better after the 15th carry. They get better in the 17th, 18th, 20, 22nd carry. But we've seen what can happen to running backs when they're given the ball too much. And I'll never forget Deontay Foreman in Texas, in Lubbock, like, giving the ball too much or not love it. Kansas. It was it Kansas.
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50 times.
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50 times. Because what happened the 51st carry,
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they fumbled.
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They lost the game.
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Yeah, well, it wasn't all Deontay Foreman's fault.
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No, no, no.
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I'm saying if you think handing the ball. These guys all have limits on how they hand. They're all different. Some running backs get better as the game goes on. Now that we've had this running back by committee, it infiltrate the NFL, college football, high school football and everything like that. I think that's why you're seeing more guys being able to. To space guys out, to. To utilize guys in different formations and different things and not wear kids out.
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I'm with you.
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I just. Guys, I just asked Grock to do this research for me.
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C
Oh, God.
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B
And it was like, sorry, that data is not available. I'm like, yeah, Grock, you got to go through the play by play so I don't have to. And then we'll see what Grock says to that.
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Hey, Rex, St. Charles is on it. You gotta. You gotta go AI shopping. Yeah, it's all the different ones.
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C
He's right.
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He's Claude for that, I guess. One more good comment from Williams, David. Does James Simon get involved here? I. I don't think there's enough for. To go around for Simon to really get carries. Especially if Cooper.
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B
I think I gotta stop resisting these data centers. Grok keeps telling me I don't really want to do that. That's a lot of.
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C
Well, as long as they don't take my Palestine water, I don't care.
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B
He's trying to avoid the work because y' all won't just let them build these freaking centers.
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A
Oh, man, the content.
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C
Let's steer this.
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B
We need those data centers so I don't have to dig through play by play data people.
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A
The content mine is. It's becoming an interesting place.
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B
I don't want to go down there anymore. I want to send AI into the min. Bring me back the coal so I can burn it up.
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C
Bring the com.
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A
Bring the canaries with them too.
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C
Life in 2026.
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Yeah. Anything else on running backs or some of these 2026 schemes? That or we want to get to some retrospective.
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D
Let's.
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C
Let's dip our pin in some nostalgia.
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A
Actually, I know what I wanted. Justin, let's go through your other four defensive players who you're pretty excited to see during camp. So you mentioned Jelani McDonald.
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C
That's.
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That's the one. Who are. Let's go. Who are the other four? Because I know you've been working on that and getting that ready for.
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Yes, I'll give you. Yeah, I'll give you a little taste. Ian Drafard, man. Okay. I mean, you read, you see him on tape, he's big. Bigger than others. You see him in person and it's overwhelming. Like, Zion Williams is a big human being. Ian's quite a big bit bigger. Like. And I'm just thinking, how the hell are the interior linemen gonna handle that guy? Like, he's gonna be the guy that can take two and completely just annihilate what you want to do inside. Like, I, I think at Arkansas, he was almost too good to be there to be, to be impactful. When it comes to Texas, I think he's going to be huge. I'm big on him. And then a couple Georgia guys. Let's talk. I'm excited for Tyler Atkinson. If you're not excited to watch this heat seeking missile of a linebacker who, I don't know if you remember his clips from, from spring. Looks like a college junior already. And so I'm super excited about, about the Peach State kid and Justice Terry. Like, how can you not be a little bit excited? He's finally healthy, guys. Last year he had some elements that kept kind of dinging him up and stringing him along, and he wasn't able to play them. Just basically, I think he played a little more than 10 games. Everyone, if you're not excited about Justice Terry, because that's a guy that I think is going to be versatile inside, defensive entry, outside, some, you know, some for. For edge. Like, this guy's going to be able to do a lot of different things. Those were four. There was one more.
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I had Jelani.
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No, I had Jelani already. My last one. My last one. I kind of went back and forth on this one, and I went with Grayson Littleton. And the reason why is because last year he was more of a surprise. I mean, we knew about him because of camp, but the world didn't. And become what, an All American? All American. I think he's confident now, and if you've seen him in some interviews and if you've seen him during summer, you know, clips and stuff, he's gotten bigger. And we're talking about a smart, driven, focused type guy that did pretty well against Jeremiah Smith in coverage last year. Not saying he held him. I'm just saying he did pretty well for an 18 year old. I'm excited to see what Grayson Littleton does with that star position because I feel like at some point he'll go from star to corner if. If it's needed because I think he has those intangibles. I'm excited about Grayson Littleton very much. And there's probably. And I'll have an honorable mention. And you'll have to come to insidetexas.com to get the rest of that because. Because there's a couple other ones that I'm really excited about, too. And I guarantee you these two jokers both thought I was gonna throw somebody East Texas in there, but I'm. I'm excited about five or six more, so.
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Hey, real, real quick. Housekeeping. Justin, don't. Don't use up your. Claude. I finally got Grock to calculate it for me.
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C
Okay, tell me.
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Okay, assuming that Rock did this right, 6.8 to 7.2 yards per carry on the first nine carries of the game and then down to 5.4 to 5.8 on the 10th carry and beyond.
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C
That's not that big of a jump, though.
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B
That's a big jump.
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C
Oh, it is.
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B
Okay. That's over a yard per carry. And when you combine that with them not wanting to push him past like 15 very often, that definitely confirms what you're saying.
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C
Well, Coach Sarcasm I think got the wrong. His grok. Told you the exact opposite.
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It's the.
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The carry by carry basis is a differentiator here.
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Yeah, it is. It is. Actually stands. Just keep him within his limits. Yeah, that's all I was saying. Just keep him within his limits.
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B
His second half numbers were a little better than his first half numbers, which would make you think that his later carriers were still good, but they weren't right. It's just that he wouldn't get to
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C
the 10th carry until the second timing of the usage.
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The timing of the usage. And also honestly, whenever his big run happened. Right.
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C
Because he would hold big runs or the one. And that's what Texas got him for and that's what he's going to do. This kid's gonna break off some, some major runs and that's that, that's what he's there for. He's not a ground and pound kid, obviously. And he's not a kid that you want to get. You don't want him hit more than 14 or 15 times a game. That's my point.
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I think that's a good one. Gonna go with a little bit of grab bag stuff here. This is good. Texas hall of Honor just announced some football guys. Big Malcolm Brown definitely deserves it. Jackson Jeffcoat, Mike Williams, Lawrence Sampleton, all going in the UT hall of Honor. I'm surprised it took this long for Mike Williams.
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C
Me too.
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He is, you know, one of the earliest drafted offensive linemen ever for Texas. Jackson Jeffcoat, Malcolm Brown, obviously those guys are all American defensive linemen. Jackson Jeffcoat, there's a. I'm probably pulling this out of thin air. He may be one of the best Canadian football defensive players ever.
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C
You're not pulling it out of the air. It's true. Like he, he's gonna go the hall of CFL hall of Fame and he.
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What was it, the Hendrick Award. That's given like the best defensive end or something like that. He won an award, he just didn't have draft measurables. Malcolm Brown, first round pick, longtime NFL stalwart. I think he's the head coach of. What is it? Saint Dominic Savio up in Georgetown. So he's coaching football, you're telling me
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C
big Malcolm Brown is a head football coach?
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Yeah, at the Catholic school up in Georgetown. So interesting. Lauren. Lawrence Sampleton, that's a name I'm not totally familiar with. I'm looking at the little press release that Texas put out and I think he had a. He had a lot of receiving records from the 70s, late 70s early 80s. So he was one of Fred, Fred Aker's top receivers. There's some other big time names on the Texas hall of Honor, including maybe one of the best athletes to ever come out of the University of Texas and Ryan Krauser, who I think.
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Right.
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Shot put.
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C
Shot put.
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No, yeah, shot put. I think he basically has written the top shot put marks of all time like they basically all belong to him. I, I believe other ones that are pretty notable. Connie Clark, the first softball coach, help Texas make that a sport here in, in Austin. So long time head coach there. She's going into the hall of Honor. And then Garrett Weber. Gale is a swimmer. Mark Boswell, Track and Field, 2 time Olympian, 5 time All American, 4 time NCAA High jump champion. That's, that's pretty impressive. Going down, Cat Bell from volleyball, national champion. Blair Luna from softball. All American Ivala Munn from women's basketball. Amy Shaw and Janet Walker from swimming and diving and then tennis respectively. So lots of, lots of Longhorn royalty there. And you know, again, Mike Williams, that one's surprising because he went on to have a pretty lengthy NFL career.
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Yeah, he played. I think he wound up playing for probably eight or nine years. I think the Buffalo Bills drafted him, maybe the third pick.
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He's either third or fourth. And then Jammer was right behind him. Right. Who was Jammer?
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C
Jammer was the sixth pick. I think Jammer was the sixth pick to San Diego.
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William Williams was fourth to Buffalo.
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Yeah, Jammer was sixth overall, I think.
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And we'll, I'll find it.
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Yeah.
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Second.
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But Mike Williams was one of those guys that. I can't remember the exact time, but I think he was one that Mac Brown inherited. I don't, I don't know if he actually recruited him. I think he was one of those big, big guys. Mac Brown might have inherited like an Antoine. Kirk Hughes, which I know, I think he had some recruitment in that, but that was one of those. I think he may have been a carryover a little bit. But Mike Williams, I mean, with that line with him, Kirk Hughes, with Leonard Davis, like you were talking about some. Just. We talk about large humans. We haven't seen them really that big since to be, I mean, pound for pound across the line.
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So the.
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C
Yeah. Mike Williams accidentally hurt Cedric Benson.
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Okay.
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C
In the Big 12 championship, their Benson's freshman year, it was the third or fourth pick that Collins, Collins, that Chris Sims threw. And so, you know, Baxter's running out to go make the tackle in space and so is Mike Williams. And Mike Williams accidentally Crack blocks him and knocks Benson out of the rest of the season. Benson didn't play in the Holiday Bowl, Victor. Ike had to wind up starting actually I think he run back kickoff Victor. I did in that, in that Holiday Bowl. But yeah, Mike Williams, that was an accident. That was collisions in a collision sport. But yeah, Mike Williams accidentally cracked back Cedric Benson. Pinson was done.
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That was about when most of us were done with Chris Sims.
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He came back for.
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C
I was in the stands and I
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can tell you there was a lot
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C
of the crowd that was by that
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B
time he threw a pick six that caused that led to that because they were in pursuit on the pick when they ran into each other.
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C
Yeah, it was an accident. It was an accident.
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And then Major came in and immediately started throwing bombs.
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C
If Major Applewhite would have had 20 more seconds or if Philip Giger doesn't run into the punter on fourth down. Texas wins the Big 12 championship. Matt Brown wins the Big 12 championship for the first time. They go to Pasadena and get smoked by the hell. Beat out of them by Miami.
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B
Don't blame Giger. Don't. It's not, it's not Giger's fault.
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C
It's exactly Ian Boyd.
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B
If you run into the not hearing Giger slander. He lives around here. He's a great guy.
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C
I'm not slandering Philip Giger. I'm not saying, I'm not saying he got torched by Braylon Edwards on three separate occasions. That Rose Rose Bowl. I'm not bringing that up.
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B
Everybody got.
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C
I'm not bringing up. I'm not bringing that up. He's single handedly made Braylon Edwards a first round pick. That's good. He's made other people money. I'm talking about that game he runs. If he doesn't run the punter, Texas wins. You know it, I know it. Everybody on the stands knew it. And plus I got buddies at Evangel. Philip Giger is still very highly respected. Okay, Giger's a man. But I'm not gonna go get him.
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And we're gonna pull up. I'm gonna go get him and we're gonna pull up. And Tyler.
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C
God, that's the last thing I need
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real, real quick before we start talking about good games. That 2002 draft, it's a peak. Naming some dudes. You go David Carr, Julius Peppers, Joey Harrington, Mike Williams, Quentin Jammer, Ryan Sims. Who I don't really remember.
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C
That was a defensive lineman.
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Bryant McKinney. Oklahoma tackle. Oklahoma. Roy Williams, John Henderson, Levi Jones and Dwight Freeney on the top 11.
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C
John Henderson. I had a buddy that played with the Titans, John Henderson, one time. When they go in the locker room, a lot of times they compete with what they've bought that week or the last few weeks of that month. Like, it's a competition. John Henderson come in and says, I got y' all all beat. I just spent $4 million on a pig farm. And everybody looks around like, yeah, you're from Tennessee, aren't you? You're from Tennessee. And he's like, I'm gonna raise those pigs. John Henderson, that massive man, dropped 4 million on a pig farm. You know what?
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I'm sure he saw a return on his investment. All right, I. It's my last Thursday live. I'm publishing. Give you the floor. I'm publishing something later this afternoon. And I picked the best games that I've gotten to cover. So the time frame is 2016 season on. Because I was in school from 2012 to 2015, and there are a handful of games that I missed because I wasn't covering them. Actually, Justin, you were covering Oklahoma 13, Oklahoma 15, Baylor 15 and 16, Notre Dame 16, and USC 18. So those are eliminated from my discussion. What do y' all think? My number one pick for best game I've covered was.
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C
That's easy. That's easy. Texas at Alabama.
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No, that's number two.
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C
You got one better than that.
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A
Yeah. The fourth and 13, and that wasn't a good game.
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C
I meant to say I'm thinking good game. Texas could have won that game by 35 points if, like, two things go different, so. But I'm with you. It's exciting. I mean, one play. You're in one play. The season's over. Like, I'm. I can't argue that. But, buddy, the Texas win in Tuscaloosa ushered in the Sark era that we're in now.
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That's. That's on. That's on my list. I actually haven't ranked. I haven't. I haven't really ranked them, but that's the number one. That's number one. Everything else follows.
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C
What else you got?
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I'm gonna go to 2018. I've actually got two games from that 2018 season.
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B
Red River Shootout. That was an awesome one.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Blowout. And they let Kyler Murray scat back into the game.
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A
They didn't let Kyler Murray. That's the problem.
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C
No, you're right.
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B
No, I know.
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A
I know.
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B
That's.
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C
Kyler was crazy in that second half, man.
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B
That'd be my number One probably, if I were you.
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A
That's up there.
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B
Okay. There's a second game from that. I'm trying to. Trying to remember what the next best 2018 game was. These are wins.
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A
Sugar bowl, because that's. That ended that season.
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C
Oh, that's the game Joe and I both covered.
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A
Yeah, man.
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C
I completely forgot when we were talking about this the other day. Did you have that on your. Your list already? Because I. I didn't. I never even thought of that game
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that was on there.
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Joey. Justin. Justin blocked it out of his memory because UGA almost got gored.
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C
You realize I felt the wind of the horn. I'm in that video, and I'll never. Yeah, I'm. I'm literally standing aside Taylor Gaspar and. And Danny Davis. I'm in the, like, middle of them, and we see the horn, like, swipe through us. And I've lived on a dairy farm, so when I see a bull do that, I'd automatically start to step back. Like, I. I've been to this rodeo before, and so I'll never forget it. Soon as it happened, there's like a big rush of everything. Danny Davis takes off for the. For the press box. Like, Danny, where you going? He goes, I'm about to go viral. And he took that video, and that sucker went like a million clicks in 19 minutes or something. And so I. Yeah, I was. I didn't forget any of that. I love that game. That was a fun atmosphere. That was a. That was a good time, man.
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D
Here's.
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Here's another little thing. That 2018 season, I had tweet deck or. And. And so basically, I would put all the Texas players on a list, and they did like, we're not tweeting at all thing during the season. And
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C
she needs to find. She needs an appearance, Joe.
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A
Oh, she's about to go swimming.
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C
Well, she needs a final appearance. Ms. Polly.
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A
So all the play.
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C
Hey.
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A
Oh, Justin didn't see it last week. Can you say hook them, hook them, hook them, hook them. She's like, swimming pool, swimming. The. All the players, like, stopped tweeting that year. They all saw Danny's tweet and, like, they all retweeted it before the game.
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C
Well, you remember Sam told me when. When someone had come in because Texas was, like, four or five minutes from coming out onto the field.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Someone had gone in there. And Sam's like, someone came here and just told us the bull attacked the dang bulldog. And he said there was nothing Herman could have said after that point. And it was Just like, all right, let's go. You know, like it was a no brainer. It's like, no more speech. Go, go. The bull Bevos out there throwing hands with Ugga. We gotta get. We got. We're ready. We're ready. And buddy, it sure was a fun night, fun atmosphere and a fun, fun, fun adventure.
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B
Is she in here again? Oh, I think I just found out.
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A
She's headed to the pool, Joe. I know.
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B
Justin, were you wearing a sports jacket for that? I think I found you in the video.
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C
Yeah, yeah, because, yeah, there was a video that Chris Bennett caught on Sports center when we're walking towards the stage for like the trophy and stuff like that, and Sam Ellinger, like, comes out of nowhere and gives me this, like, gigantic hug.
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A
Oh, man. What else was there? I'm going in season order. I know these games aren't in order. Oklahoma 20, 22, 49 nothing. 49, nothing.
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C
Like, that game was so fun and unfair at the same time.
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A
There was a sense because of what had happened the year before that even up Big Tech, I. I sensed it. I felt it. And Texas fans were like, you know that scene in Braveheart, hold, hold. Like, they weren't ready to start. And then I think once it got to 35, nothing, it's like, okay, this one's done. Like, there is nothing happening.
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C
Was that the game? Micah Hudson and Colton Vosick were in the stands for Oklahoma and they went over to the Texas fans midway through the game. I think, remember Micah Hudson gave me that. I'm texting with Mike Hudson during the game and he's like, I got to get out of this Oklahoma crowd because I want to say Oklahoma was the host, was the home team and was the host. And so midway through the game, I'm like, guys, this five star number one receiver just left Oklahoma stands to go sit with someone else's stands. And it was him going, I think Bostic did the same exact thing. Yeah, so.
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A
And I think Bostic was visiting Texas about like a week later. So it was.
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C
Well after that game, it started to snowball that, hey, this is probably a flip that's gonna happen.
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A
Moving on downline. Alabama, as you said, that's. That's up there. That has to be included. Oklahoma State 2023 Big 12 championship game. That was a. It's weird because I think we look back at that Oklahoma State team as it was the last good Oklahoma State team under Gundy. But like, that team was just Ollie Gordon and friends and there wasn't a whole lot to it. They put up some points after the game was out of question. But like Texas whooped up on what was the second best team in the Big 12 that year.
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C
They weren't.
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A
They weren't easy.
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C
They were riding. I mean, Ollie Gordon was getting 30, 35 carries a game.
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B
Felt like that's. They had some other stuff. They had a good deal.
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C
Didn't they have the Rodriguez kid that starts for the Detroit Lions at middle linebacker? Malcolm Rodriguez?
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B
Yeah, they had him. They had.
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C
But it wasn't your. I'll say this, it wasn't your 2010s, Oklahoma State team that Texas would often face.
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B
Yeah, they had a couple of receivers that were decent. Who was quarterback for that team?
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A
Bo wasn't Mark Bowman. It was. Oh, it's somebody who wasn't that good.
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C
It wasn't Gunner, Gunny Gundy.
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A
No, I can tell you. It was. Who's their quarterback? Come on. Alan Bowman.
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C
It was Alan Bowman.
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B
The.
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C
The dude they up for Tech. The redhead. Grapevine went and played at Michigan, too. Didn't he play for like five or six schools?
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A
Tech, Michigan, Oklahoma State, three. Yeah, I forgot he went to Michigan. Golly.
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C
That was the first one, right?
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A
That was his first.
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C
Because he was. That was his first transfer.
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D
Okay.
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C
Because I remember he was committed and I think Committed and signed with Tech.
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A
He was the Tech. He was the Tech quarterback that threw the horns down in 2020 when they were up two scores and then they came back and lost.
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C
Yeah, that's what I meant. That's what I meant by the guy doing that. That's what Bowman was known for. Big Red.
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A
Yeah.
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B
They had Colin Oliver on defense and they had Brennan Presley, who was a.
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C
Was a. Was. Was kind of a pain in the butt.
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B
Yeah. He beat Jade A. Baron a couple. He beat and injured Jade A. Baron a couple times on like a million attempts and then led to this whole stupid off season of. Of us trying to insist to our people on the message board that John A. Baron was in fact a good player and not trash. Even though he'd given up like three catches on like 15 pass attempts to Brennan Presley in the Big 12 championship game. People were like, no, he's not going to be a good corner. He got torched at nickel by that little Oklahoma State guy.
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A
Yeah. And then just the whole. The whole day was incredible because that was the early game. Your Mark Yormark getting booed, Sark having to calm people down. The under the undertaker presenting the trophy because it was the WWE, like, sponsored Big 12 Championship.
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C
Yeah.
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A
And then like, I stayed at A Airbnb like a stone's throw from AT T Stadium. So I walk back, I'm done with work. I, like, hit the gas station. And I'm sitting down and watching Florida State and Louisville, and I'm kind of resigned to the fact, like, they're not getting in. Like, I was not all that confident that they were going to get into the playoff, go from seven to three. But Georgia losing and then Florida State having Florida State the. With Jordan, Travis. Travis, all that stuff happening. That was just. It was made for quite a fun Sunday morning trying to scramble to pick up. What's it called, Sugar bowl passes.
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C
And just Bennett reminded me Derrick Williams laid some wood in that game and got ejected for targeting. I do remember that. That was. I think that was actually really early in the game, too.
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A
It was on. It was on the opening kickoff of the second half.
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C
Okay, okay, okay. Yeah.
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A
Which screwed everything because then you're missing the next game. All right. The other one from 2023. And Paul and I have had a lot of conversations about this game. It's that Kansas State game. And I know it was. There was a lot of Texas kind of coughing the game away just because Malik Murphy and Kansas State being pretty good that year with Will Howard. But that finish was. That may be one of the best games in the history of Memorial Stadium. And it was consequential because Texas loses. Okay, I see you smirking, Ian. Anytime Texas usually faces a good team, it's in Dallas and not Austin. Especially in the era of the Big 12 and in the Southwest Conference. It's going to change in the sec. But, like, if Texas was playing highly ranked teams, it was normally in Dallas. That Kansas State team, I think, was in the teens. And if Texas loses that game, they're not going to the playoff. It was one of the most important games in the history of the school.
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C
Is that the one where DeVontre Sweat got the sack to end the game?
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B
Yeah. I don't think anyone is going to remember it that way, though.
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C
Well, here's the thing. Isn't that a game where Texas was blowing them out in the first half and then Kansas, they kind of methodically came back in the second half and they'd made like a couple big plays here and there, and then all of
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A
a sudden, yeah, she's been watching and listening to that Taylor Swift song. My last one is Child Abuse the First. It's the first time I. It's the first time I left home from her. Was that A m game in 2024? Like, it's there's never gonna be any.
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C
You were an hour at that one together too.
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A
Yeah, there's never gonna be.
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B
Yeah. It was a better game in DKR than the Kansas State game.
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A
What?
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B
The A M game last year.
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A
I agree.
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C
Yeah. I think Joe Smiles give too much credence to beating a team that Texas has beaten like 79 of the time in their life.
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B
That's true. Kansas State don't have a million wins over Kansas State.
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A
Oh, man, that's my list. I gotta take this girl to a swim lesson. I appreciate everybody tuning in. I appreciate y'.
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B
All.
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A
We did this for the past couple years. We got the deep dive later. I'll be on inside the program tomorrow. So one more show with me. Thank you all for watching. Make sure you head to Inside Texas. Use that first link in our description. Use that QR code. I appreciate everybody for helping me go through some of my favorite 2020. Mr.
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C
Beef remembered Jelani's two 15 yard penalties. He was raged up last year. I'd forgotten about that.
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B
Everybody join me and Justin for a slow clap.
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A
I appreciate it.
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C
Y' all are handling this a lot better than I am, so I'm not gonna say anything else.
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A
See y' all next time.
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C
Handling this. So happy and so great. And it's like, hey.
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A
And like I told Sneezy, I'm not dying. Like I'll be around, but just may not be on YouTube as much. So see y'. All. See y' all later. Appreciate it all over the years and make sure you go to Inside Texas.