Loading summary
Transcript9 lines
- [00:01]
Mayra Amit
A Mochi moment from Mark, who writes, I just want to thank you for making GLP1s affordable. What would have been over $1,000 a month is just $99 a month with mochi. Money shouldn't be a barrier to healthy weight. Three months in and I have smaller jeans and a bigger wallet.
- [00:18]
Payton
You're the best.
- [00:19]
Mayra Amit
Thanks, Mark. I'm Mayra Amit, founder of Mochi Health. To find your mochi moment, visit joinmochi.com.
- [00:27]
Payton
Mark is a Mochi member, compensated for his story.
- [00:31]
Narrator
DSW Designer Shoe Warehouse is the one stop shop for all your footwear needs with sneakers, boots and everything in between. For every style, mood and occasion. You'll definitely find shoes that get you at prices that get your budget. DSW has what you need, but more importantly, they have what you didn't even know you wanted. You never know what you'll find at dsw. Find the shoes that get you at prices that get your budget at dsw.
- [00:58]
Payton
Stores or dsw.com you're listening to an Ono Media podcast. Thank you for always supporting me and being there for me. You really have no idea the impact that you have had on my life. Garrett and I went to see some family for Thanksgiving and it was great to just get away. Garrett actually got the flu on Thanksgiving, so that was kind of crazy. But. But yeah, we're back. We're home. Before we jump into today's case, I need to do my 10 seconds. And as I talked about last week, it was my birthday and I can't thank everyone enough who went over to Instagram and wished me a happy birthday. Honestly, just reading those messages made me tear up because I felt so loved and it was a day where I was really needing that. And so I love you all so much and thank you for always supporting me and being there for me for. You really have no idea the impact that you've had on my life. Garrett and I went to see some family for Thanksgiving and it was great to just get away. Garrett actually got the flu on Thanksgiving, so that was kind of crazy. But yeah, we're back, we're home, we're comfy, we had our first snowfall. So it's safe to say we are getting ready for Christmas. But yeah, I think that's all I have this week. And that takes us right into today's episode, which starts with a woman named Teresita Bossa. Now, Teresita was born in the Philippines. She grew up there. But in the 1960s, when Teresita was in her 30s, she actually decided to immigrate to the United States. See, Teresita was a great musician. She wanted to learn from the best American singers and piano players. And once she mastered her skills, the goal was for her to become a professional performer or a composer. And while she was working toward getting a master's degree in music, Teresita spent a lot of time practicing. It was her whole life. Okay. She also gave piano lessons to children in her neighborhood who wanted to learn. And get this, Teresita never even charged for those lessons. She was just kind and generous and happy to help those kids for free. That personality trait eventually led Teresita onto a new path. Before she got her degree, Teresita realized she wanted to spend her life caring for other people, not performing music for them. So she changed her major and decided to study medicine instead. And from there, things played out in a fairly predictable way. By 1977, Teresita was 48 years old. She was living in Chicago with her husband. She worked as a respiratory therapist at the local Edgewater Hospital. She had a ton of friends. She was very well liked. In fact, everyone knew her by her reputation. She was just sweet and kind, and everybody noticed whenever she was seeing a patient, she made that person feel like a priority. She was patient with them, thoughtful, and had an amazing bedside manner. And outside of work, Teresita was always there for her friends, too. Anytime somebody needed a favor or someone to vent to or anything else, she was there. So naturally, it is safe to say that at this point in her life, everyone who knew her liked her and admired her. So to summarize, Teresita had done something incredible. She had moved to a new country, built a great life for herself, and now is thriving. But on February 21, many of her neighbors in her apartment building in Chicago that noticed something strange. Her unit smelled like burning and ash. Now, of course, none of the neighbors had a key to Teresita's place. They couldn't get in and check for themselves. So they called the building's janitor to report it. And then the janitor asked the fire department to come and look around. So at 9pm A bunch of firefighters climbed into their truck and rushed toward Teresita's apartment. When they arrived, they forced the door open and her unit was full of black smoke. There was a fire burning in the living room, but it hadn't spread very far yet. The first responders worked to put out the flames and quickly realized exactly where the fire had started. There was a mattress lying randomly in the middle of the living room. It didn't belong there. It wasn't near a bed frame. There was no sign that Teresita typically slept in her living room. But based on the scorch marks, it was clear that the fire had begun when someone had lit it on fire intentionally. And under the mattress, there was the dead body of an adult woman. This had just gone from responding to a fire to a homicide investigation. The woman was badly burned. It was hard to say who she was. She was nude. There was a huge butcher's knife sticking out the middle of her chest. It obviously didn't take long for firefighters to realize this was Teresita. Girl everyone loved and she had been murdered. So they brought the police onto the scene and they began to investigate. The problem was that the fire had burned up a ton of evidence, so there weren't many clues about who might have killed Teresita. Initially, the investigators assumed the killer had sexually assaulted her before or after the murder. It seemed like a logical conclusion given that she was found naked. Except then her autopsy showed no signs of sexual violence. So this also wasn't the only clue that didn't add up. Since Teresita had been so well liked, there weren't any obvious suspects. The only lead the detectives had was a note that Teresita had apparently written to herself. It was in her handwriting in her appointment book, and the message read, get tickets for A S Now, it wasn't clear who or what AS was or why Teresita was buying them tickets or what the tickets were for. But either way, the officers began questioning all of Teresita's friends and co workers. They needed to learn who she was. They asked if any of these people knew the initials AS or if that was the name of a business or an abbreviation that Teresita was known to use. Except nobody in her life had any idea what that meant. They also couldn't name any enemies or offer any theories about why anyone would have wanted to do this. So within a few months, the trail had actually gone completely cold. And the police were forced to close the case while it was still unsolved. It just didn't look like Teresita was ever going to get justice. But then the officers got a new tip around late August or early September of 1977. This was about six months after the murder. And by this time, they had basically given up on solving the case. So you would think the detectives would have been really excited to hear about a possible new lead, right? Except the tip was very odd. It was from a man named Jose Chua Jr. Jose was a Doctor who worked in the same hospital as Teresita. Now, earlier in the investigation, police had questioned Jose, obviously, along with all of her other colleagues. And at the time, he had said he didn't know of any enemies that Teresita had or anyone who might want to hurt her. He said he also didn't know what the AS initials were. But now, six months later, he comes to police and says he knows exactly who had murdered his coworker. So, of course, the police wanted to know what had changed since the last interrogation and what made him suddenly so confident that he had solved this case. And Jose said that Teresita had actually told him about the crime. Or more accurately, her ghost had. See, Jose explained that he was married to a woman named Remy. And Remy also used to work at the same hospital, although she had left the job recently. And like Teresita, Remy was a respiratory therapist. So the two of them actually were pretty close. They spent a lot of time at the facility. And Teresita's death had hit Remy, his wife, pretty hard. She'd thrown herself into her work to try and distract herself from her grief. And then one night, Remy was working an overnight shift at the hospital. And by the time she clocked out, she was too tired to safely drive home. So she slipped off into a break room to just get some sleep. And while Remy was lying on a cot, trying to fall asleep, she saw a figure step into the room with her. And when she sat up, she realized the figure was her dear friend Teresita. She was just standing there, staring at her. And Remy knew this wasn't a dream because she was so terrified. Her heart was pounding. Her breathing was shallow. She knew she was wide awake. Eventually, though, Teresita's spirit faded away, leaving Remy alone again. And the whole situation was so strange that Remy actually didn't tell anyone about it. She didn't think anybody would believe her if she said, hey, yeah, I saw Teresita's ghost. So, two weeks go by, and one evening, she was home with her husband. It was much earlier than her usual bedtime, but a wave of exhaustion suddenly came over her. Remy could barely keep her eyes open, so she went to bed early. She fell asleep right away. Now, a short while later, Jose came into the room to check on her and see if she was okay. And Remy opened her eyes, sat up, and started talking to him in Tagalog. That is the language they speak in the Philippines. Now, Remy and Jose were both Filipino, just like Teresita, but neither of them spoke this native language. Even when it was just the two of them at home, they felt more comfortable with English. So Jose was shocked to hear Remy speaking this language. And on top of that, he noticed that his wife's voice sounded different. It was almost like someone else was talking. But clearly it was her mouth moving. The words were coming from her. So obviously he's like, remy, what's going on? And she answers in a different language, doctor, I would like to ask for your help. The man who murdered me is still at large. Now, of course, this was a very strange thing to say in any circumstances. But Jose figured out maybe Remy was just having a vivid dream. Maybe she even thought she was someone else. So again, he's like, what's going on? Do you know who I am? What is your name? And Remy answers, I am Teresita. Then Remy or Teresita told Jose not to be afraid. She didn't want to hurt or scare him. But she just needed help in solving her own murder. And then Remy said that Teresita had been killed by a man they all knew his name was Alan. Showery. You guys know I love Cozy Earth and they are aiming to make your five to nine window the comfiest part of your day. And if you're looking for a gift that improves sleep, Cozy Earth's bamboo sheets are woven from bamboo derived viscose for a luxuriously soft touch that keeps you warm without trapping heat. And for a standout gift, get get the bubble cuddle blanket. You guys. It is Garrett's favorite, it is my favorite and it is Daisy's favorite. It is beautiful, it looks expensive, it is luxurious and it is so freaking soft. And I have good news because if you are wanting to give Cozy Earth as a gift to anyone in your life for the holidays, right now is the time to do it. Give the gift of everyday luxury. This holiday season head to cozyearth.com and use my code Peyton for up to 40% off. Just be sure to place your order by December 12th for guaranteed Christmas delivery. Okay you guys, so just do it now. And if you are listening to this after the 12th, don't worry, my code still works year round for 20% off. So you can use code Peyton at cozy Earth for 20% off anytime during the year. And if you get a post purchase survey, be sure to mention you heard about Cozy Earth right here. Give the gift of comfort that lasts beyond the holidays and carries into a cozy new year. If you're a last minute shopper like me, you know the feeling. Shelves are empty and ideas are running Low. But Aura Frames is the solution with a gift that feels personal. Garrett and I have gifted Aura Frames to many members of our family, and it always is so something that just is a special Christmas gift. And it's easy. It's right there, you guys. So if you don't know what to give someone in your life, give them an aura frame using my code. Okay? You can upload unlimited photos and video. You just download the Aura app and connect WI fi. So you can literally upload pictures to your family members or a frame that's in their house. You can even preload photos before it ships. So when they get it, there is already pictures on there. So. And there's a gift box included. Every frame comes packaged in a premium gift box with no price tag. So it really is the perfect gift. And you can gift it to your parents, your grandparents, so you can stay a part of their life for a limited time. Save on the perfect gift by visiting auraframes.com to get $35 off Aura's best selling Carver mat frames named number one by Wirecutter. Use promo code Payton. P A Y T O N at checkout. Okay, you guys, that's $35 off using my code. That's a U R A frames.com promo code Payton. This deal is exclusive to listeners, and frames do sell out fast, especially around this time. So order yours now to get it in time for the holidays. Support the show by mentioning us at checkout. Please, please, please. Terms and conditions apply. Now, Alan also worked at the same hospital, which is why they all knew him. And he operated some of the machinery in the respiratory wing. It was also pretty common knowledge that Alan was going through a rough time in his life. Money was tight, so his co workers were trying to help him out however they could. Alan didn't want their charity, but he did agree to pick up odd jobs for them. Cleaning, fixing things around their homes, taking care of the lawn in exchange for some money. So according to Remy, shortly before the murder, Teresita's television broke. And when she mentioned it to Alan at work, he I can come over and fix it. Which is why Teresita hired him to come over to her apartment and handle the repairs. Except while Allen was in Teresita's unit, he saw all of this fancy, expensive jewelry she owned. In particular, he was very interested in a pearl ring and a jade pin. And the temptation, I guess, became too much. He tried to rob her. She fought back. Things escalated. Allen ended up stabbing her with the knife, stealing her jewelry, and then setting her mattress on fire in the hopes of destroying evidence. Apparently, after her murder, Teresita's spirit became restless, waiting for the police to solve it. And when they failed to uncover any evidence or track down any suspects, she appeared to Remy and then possessed her and told her and Jose everything they needed to know. Now, of course, when Jose goes to cops, he's skeptical about this whole story. He doesn't believe in ghosts. He definitely didn't think an old co worker's spirit had somehow inhabited his wife's body. And except Remy said she could prove that what she was saying was true. She encouraged Jose to go to the police and tell them everything. She also gave him a few people's phone numbers. They were all members of Teresita's family. Remy said that Teresita's relatives knew all about the jewelry she owned and wore, and they would be able to identify any pieces that were missing from her apartment because Alan had taken them when he murdered her. She was especially insistent that Teresita's cousin would be able to break the entire case wide open. Except Jose's still not sure what to believe. He feels like this is all outlandish, something out of a horror movie. But also, he's not going to argue with his wife. He just wanted Remy to go back to sleep and to act normal again. So he writes the phone numbers down and assures Remy, in the morning, I will call the police. They both lay down and go to bed. But then when he woke up the next morning, he didn't share the tip. Instead, he asked Remy about the wild dreams she'd clearly been having the night before. And Remy has no idea what he's talking about. She's like, I don't remember any of that. So Jose doesn't understand exactly what's going on, but he figured the matter was settled. That was until a few nights later, when the same thing happened again. Remy went to sleep, and then in the middle of the night, she began speaking in a different language. This time, she asked Jose why he wasn't helping. And when he wasn't able to give a good explanation, Teresita's spirit warned him through his wife, she wouldn't be able to rest until her murder was solved. So if Jose wanted her to leave him alone, he needed to go to the police with what he knew. So that was when Jose gathered the phone numbers and called the investigators. He's upfront with them like, this is all strange, but this, I can't ignore this. This has happened twice now. I'm just gonna do what she's telling me to. But obviously, the investigators also have their doubts. It just seemed impossible that they were about to solve a murder case because of a testimony from a ghost who was inhabiting a co worker's body. And on the other hand, they didn't have any other leads. Plus, Jose and Remy seemed respectable. They were well educated, they had good jobs. They were. There was no obvious reason why they would lie about this. So the officers figured, okay, we might as well just question Allen, see if he knows anything. After all, his initials were as. This is the same letters that Teresita had written in her appointment book. It wasn't a lot to go on, but a few officers go to Allen's home. And as soon as they arrive, he acted like he'd been expecting them. He wasn't surprised. It also seemed like he knew exactly why they were there and what they wanted. He willingly agreed to go to the station with them for an interrogation. Except while Alan was being questioned, he insisted he had nothing to do with Teresita's death. That said, he also admitted, okay, I had been at her apartment the day she was murdered. Allen said he'd agreed to come over and fix her tv exactly like the ghost had allegedly said. Except, according to Allan, he arrived sometime after six in the evening, came into the unit and realized he didn't have the tools he needed. Whatever was wrong with the tv, it needed special attention and equipment. Allan owned the right gear, but he hadn't brought it with him. So he told Teresita that he needed to go back home and grab his stuff. He promised he would be back a day or two later to get the job finished. And then, according to Allen, he left. He says when he stepped out of the apartment the day of the murder, Teresita seemed fine. There was no indication that she was in any kind of danger. He assumed the killer must have broken in at some point after his departure and murdered Teresita later that evening. But he had had nothing to do with it. Now this all checked out. It was entirely possible that Allen was innocent and the killer had come over after he left. However, by this point, the police were feeling pretty suspicious because Allen's story was so eerily similar to what the ghost had apparently said about him coming over to fix the tv. No one else had known about this, so the officers decided to investigate further. They reached out to Allen's girlfriend to see if she had any insights into Allen's alibi. She was cooperative and quickly agreed to talk to the police. But the moment she Arrived at the station, the officers noticed something unusual. Allen's girlfriend was wearing a pearl ring and a pin made of jade. Again, this is the jewelry that Teresita's spirit had described. It's an exact match. So they immediately are like, where'd you get these? And the girlfriend's like, they're a gift from Alan. He'd given them to her as a late Christmas present. And when I say late, I mean really late, because the girlfriend didn't receive them until the end of February or early March, well after the holiday season and also after Teresita's murder. But just to make sure, the officers contacted Teresita's family members and said, hey, can you come look at this jewelry? They examined the pin and the ring and confirmed, yeah, these are Teresita's. And here's where it gets wild. Teresita's cousin was one of the people who looked at the jewelry. The police had known how to get in touch with the cousin because of the phone number Jose had given them, a phone number that he had gotten from Remy while she was supposedly possessed by Teresita and had no memory of it. So yet again, the ghost was completely spot on. Now, obviously, the police cannot explain this. This is defying reality. But the evidence spoke for itself. Allen was at the scene of the crime on the night of the murder. He says, so he had jewelry that once belonged to Teresita, and he had given it to his girlfriend right after Teresita was murdered. This was enough for the police in the 70s to formally arrest Allen. And in the interrogation room, they laid out all of the evidence they had against him. And apparently, at this point, he realized there was no point in fighting the inevitable. So he gives a full confession. In it, he said he had killed Teresita for her jewelry. Allan said the crime wasn't premeditated. He hadn't been planning to hurt her. When he first arrived at her apartment, the goal really was to go over, repair her tv, get paid, and leave. Except when he saw her ring and her pen, he just said he had to have him. So Allan lied, Said he didn't have the right tools to fix the television. He left, just like he had said in his initial statement. But he didn't actually drive home. Instead, he waited just long enough for Teresita to let her guard down. And then he returned to her unit and knocked on the door. When she answered, he walked inside and headed toward the television. Allen had his toolbox in his hand, and it seemed like he was doing exactly what he said. So Teresita let him in, turned toward the door to close and lock it. And while her back was to him, Allen attacked. He wrapped an arm around Teresita's neck and squeezed. He didn't let go until she was unconscious and unable to fight back. And then he dragged her into the living room later, on the floor, and grabbed a knife. He stabbed her in the chest to make sure she was dead. Next, Allen stripped Teresita's clothes off. And as he explained it to the police, he didn't want to sexually assault her. But he hoped that if she was found naked, it would throw investigators off his track. They would focus on people with a history of sexual violence, and he'd seem like a less likely suspect since he had never committed this sort of crime before. Now, once Teresita was naked, Alan dumped a bunch of clothes on top of her body and lit them on fire. And. And then he dragged the mattress out of her bedroom and put it on top of the remains and the clothes and burned it too. That way he hoped he had destroyed any evidence that could tie him to the crime. Then he took that jewelry and left. This is all exactly the same as what Remy, Jose and Teresita's ghosts had said. This time of year, it's sensory overload everywhere. But one feeling we are still chasing cozy. And BOMBAS has the socks, slippers, tees and basically everything to get you there. Honestly, there's something weirdly therapeutic about fresh socks and the sock. Scientists at BOMBAS have found a way to channel that energy into everything from slippers with sink in cushioning to satisfyingly weighty tees. And that feeling, it doesn't stop after one wear. It keeps going. I love bombas. I have talked about them for a while, but I have more than just their socks. I have their slippers, I have their tees and I love all of it. And one of my favorite things about BOMBAS is that they donate one for every purchased. So it is giving back in such an amazing way, especially around this time of year. So head over to bombas.comaudio and use code audio for 20 off your first purchase. That's Bombas. B O-M-B-A-S.com audio code audio@ checkout. All right you guys, I'm getting into an ad and Chime is flipping the script on banking. Be free, smarter and built for you. Not the 1%. This isn't the old school bank experience that nickel and dimes you with overdraft and monthly fees. It's banking that actually works for everyday people. And Chime isn't just an app, it's practical freedom. With MyPay you can grab up to $500 off your paycheck whenever you need it and get paid up to two days earlier with direct deposit. Some legacy banks still don't do that. I'm being serious. No overdraft fees, no minimums, no monthly junk fees. Chime turns your daily spending into real progress and real rewards. Rated five stars by USA Today for customer service. Real humans 247 that's a really big deal in the banking world and you can meet the new Chime Card Cash back plus safer credit building altogether. If you are are needing a banking app, you guys or interested in switching, please do go check out Chime. Like I said, it is built for the everyday person and I can't suggest it enough. Chime is not just smarter banking, it is the most rewarding way to bank. Join the millions who are already banking. Be free today. It just takes a few minutes to sign up. Head to chime.comdark that's chime.com dark Chime.
- [27:41]
Chime Representative
Is a financial technology company, not a bank. Banking Services A secured Chime, Visa credit card and MyPay line of credit provided by the Bancor Bank NA or Stride Bank NA. MyPay eligibility requirements apply and credit limit ranges $20 to $500. Optional services and products may have fees or charges. See chime.com feesinfo advertised annual percentage yield with Chime+status only. Otherwise 1.00% APY applies. No min balance required. Chime card on time payment history may have a positive impact on your credit score. Results may vary. See chime.com for details and applicable terms.
- [28:01]
Payton
So at this point, the whole case seemed pretty open and shut, right? Like the officers charged Allen with murder, robbery and arson. They had his confession. But then his public defender tried to get the case completely thrown out before it could even go to court. Their argument was that it had been inappropriate for the police to ever even question Allen or investigate him in the first place. See, by law, detectives aren't supposed to arrest people or interrogate them without probable cause. This means they need solid evidence to move to this stage of an investigation. And according to Allen's lawyer, they didn't have any evidence when they questioned him. All they knew was that a ghost had supposedly possessed a woman and given Allen's name, which didn't meet the legal standards. The police countered that Allen wasn't under arrest during the first interrogation. He had come to the station willingly by the Time of his second interrogation, the officers had already learned that Allen's girlfriend had Teresita's jewelry. So that is probable cause. The police also explained that they had no intention of talking about the ghosts or the possessions during the trial. They actually weren't even planning on calling Remy as a witness. That's not what they were focusing on. They had strong enough evidence that it could stand on its own without explaining how they got there. And they insisted that it shouldn't matter where the original tip came from, just that the case against Allen was real and solid. The police even issued a statement where they said, quote, it's not like we're gonna cross examine the ghost or anything of that nature. We are really not interested in the supernatural aspect of this case. This was enough to convince the judge, and the trial moved forward. It began on October 2, 1978. But during the hearing, the prosecutors faced a second challenge. See, Allen publicly recanted his confession. He said he had only admitted to committing the murder because the police had coerced him into it. According to Allen, the officers had threatened to harass him and his girlfriend. They even suggested they might arrest the girlfriend even though they knew she was innocent. And Allen had wanted to protect her and ensure that she didn't end up in jail, especially because she was pregnant. So, according to him, he just gave a false confession. It was all an effort to protect his girlfriend and their unborn child. But according to him, now, nothing he had said was true. And without the confession, the only real evidence the police had against him was the fact that he had given his girlfriend Teresita's jewelry. Except, obviously, Allen had an explanation for that, too. He said he bought the jewelry for from Teresita. Legally, he gave it to his girlfriend as a late Christmas gift, just like what he had told her. But Allen admitted, I didn't buy it directly from Teresita. I purchased it from Remy and Jose. This is a good strategy. At the time, he says he had no idea the jewelry was connected to an open murder case. Obviously, if you're wondering how they ended up with Teresita's pin and ring. Well, ultimately, his argument was that Remy and Jose had killed Teresita and then began framing him. It all came back to a workplace conflict. According to Allen, at trial, you'll remember that Teresita, Remy, Jose, and Allen all work in the same hospital. And apparently, Remy and Allen had never gotten along. Remy didn't like the way Allen handled his work. Meanwhile, he didn't like the way she was always criticizing him. So their disagreements led to a lot of tension at work. In fact, at some point after Teresita's death, Remy was let go from her position. And Allen didn't know the exact cause, but he figured it had something to do with their ongoing arguments. So according to Allen, Remy got fired and then decided to get revenge on him. It started with her selling him the jewelry Teresita had either loaned or given her the ring and pin before her death. And by selling it to Alan at a deep discount, Remy ensured he'd have this incriminating evidence in his possession. And then all she needed to do was get the police onto his trail. He then says Remy lied to Jose, pretending Teresita's ghost had possessed her, and named Alan as the killer. Supposedly, it was all a very complicated set up to force Allen to take the fall for a murder he hadn't committed. Now, this might sound very elaborate, but. But some jurors believed it because it was weird. The whole ghost aspect. How did Remy even know all of this? So when they came out of the deliberations, they were evenly split. Half thought Alan was guilty and the other half said he was not guilty. And it ended up being a mistrial. Allen was scheduled to be retried one month later in November. Except apparently, he had a change of heart before the second trial began. I'm not sure what led him to reevaluate his defense, but he clearly didn't want to face his charges the second time. He pled guilty to everything. The murder, the robbery, the arson, and was sentenced to 14 years in prison. Now, with this verdict, Teresita's case was closed. But there were still a lot of unanswered questions and mysteries around her murder. The biggest one was, did Teresita really come back as a ghost? Is it actually possible for homicide victims to solve their own cases? And if so, why don't we hear about this more? There are a ton of unsolved murders, but we're not routinely seeing possessions and testimony from spirits. Needless to say, there are a lot of skeptics who don't believe in the supernatural. Some people have come up with alternate theories to try and explain what happened in Teresita's case. One is that Remy solved the mystery just with her own powers of observation and common sense. After all, she knew everyone connected to the crime, both the victim and the killer. It's possible she overheard Teresita and Alan talking. Maybe she knew he was supposed to be at Teresita's apartment on the night of the murder. Remy also would have noticed if Allen acted strange or guilty after the crime. It's possible she spotted bruises or scratches on his arms and thought they were suspicious. She might have even overheard him bragging about the homicide or giving inconsistent answers about where he was on the night of the death. Sometimes people pick up subtle clues, but aren't consciously aware of what they're noticing. It's possible that Remy understood that Allen probably should be a suspect, but didn't know why she felt that way. This could have triggered a bad dream. Maybe she really was just talking in her sleep. Another explanation was that Remy was a lot more conscious and aware of her suspicions. This theory goes that Remy knew Alan was the killer, but didn't have proof. She didn't think her suspicions alone were enough for the police to take her seriously. Which is why she allegedly faked the possessions and the psychic visions. It was all a very elaborate lie to ensure that the police looked into it and Teresita got justice. Now, I don't know what version of events is true. Was Remy involved? Was she not? Did she know what she was doing? Was she faking it? Did Teresita really come to her? If you don't believe in ghosts, this really doesn't explain everything very neatly. But if you think spirits are real, it might be simpler to just accept that Teresita's spirit really did possess Remy. The point is, is that nobody could agree on what was true. And Allan's conviction was controversial. No one could actually say if it was fair or just to charge him based on a tip that supposedly was given via ghost. In 1983, he was actually released from prison early on parole. Maybe the justice system was going easy on him. He had served a total of six years. But from the sound of things, he had really changed. After his time behind bars, he was never connected to any other robberies or violent crimes. He went on to live a quiet life. And as for Remy, she said she never heard from Teresita's ghost ever again. She also never had any other visions, possessions or supernatural encounters. And like Alan, Remy went back to an ordinary existence afterward. But let's be real. There is nothing ordinary about this story. I mean, it's weird. It's incredible. In a very literal sense, it doesn't sound credible. Teresita's case defies everything we think we know about how the world works. Except every day people have to reevaluate our understanding of what is possible. And maybe it's time to redefine what we believe about the afterlife, too. That was our case today. Thank you so much for listening and I will see you next time as we go further into the dark together. Goodbye.
- [37:08]
Progressive Representative
This episode is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Do you ever think about switching insurance companies to see if you could save some cash? Progressive makes it easy to see if you could save when you bundle your home and auto policies. Try it@progressive.com Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates. Potential savings will vary. Not available in all states.