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Hey everyone, and welcome back to the into the Dark podcast. I'm your host, Peyton Moreland. I'm so glad that you are here and listening. And holy smokes, if you didn't know, my other true crime show, Murder With My Husband, is officially on Netflix. I can't even believe I'm saying that. Still, it is so, so weird. And today, as I'm recording, this is actually the first day that any of the episodes are on and that this week's episode actually dropped. And so, of course, you know, I'm on my phone, I open my Netflix app, I am looking at it. I'm like, searching for Murder with My Husband. I click it, I start watching just to see that the entire episode, all I do is look at the TV screen that has me and Garrett on it. It's off to the right. It literally looks like I'm reading a teleprompter because I'm talking and all I'm doing is looking over there the whole episode, you guys, my eyes are just, like, constantly, like, looking over at the viewfinder and okay, in my defense, I typically look at it to talk to Garrett. Like, I watch Garrett on the screen to see his reactions to my words instead of, like, doing. Because we kind of sit a little in uncomfortable positions for the podcast just so it looks better on screen. So it's, like, easier than turning my whole body and, like, moving my face to look at him. But oh, my gosh, as I was watching it, I had to exit out. I had to exit out I was like, this is so bad. So, needless to say, I think I'm going to just make sure the podcast looks good. The reason we keep it up, though, is, like, what if a light goes out? What if things happen because it's just us two recording, so we need to be able to see what, like, the viewer is seeing. But, oh, my gosh, I'm gonna try next week. I'm gonna try. I'm gonna try. But if you are listening or watching this right now, please go to Netflix and pull up our most recent episode and look at it and you will see what I'm talking about. And while you're there, also add the show to your list. Even if you don't plan on watching it, like, it's still just good for the show. But, yeah, it is insane. And then you need to come back and report to me so that you can also agree and see what I'm talking about, because it is so bad. Oh, my gosh. Anyways, I mean, it is what it is. Like, I'm on YouTube right now talking, so what's the difference, really? I don't know. I think it's just, like, the nerves. Give it even a week, I think that it'll seem more normal to me. I think I was a little nervous on that episode, even though the last episodes had been on it. I don't know. I think it's because we announced it that episode, so I was a little bit nervous, honestly. Yeah, I mean, I'm just in the safety of our show now, me and you, into the dark. So I felt like I could say this, but, yeah, it's just, like, weird. I just kind of want a week to be over so that I can feel more comfortable. As much as, like, listeners don't like change, I also don't love change. So even though this is, like, such an exciting thing, and I'm not gonna lie, like, the day we dropped, I had so much adrenaline that I actually crashed. But even then, like, just the change of it is hard. You know, it's just a little bit like, ooh, I don't love this. It's uncomfortable. But then at the same time, it's like, Netflix. Like, I'm so excited. It's so weird because I'm just a human. I'm just a girl. Like, at the end of the day, I don't even really belong on Netflix. Like, when the announcement dropped, I was sitting in my pajamas that were two days old. I hadn't brushed my teeth, and I was just sitting there laughing, scrolling Comments like, who would think that someone like that could be on Netflix? And then, like, Netflix posts me, and I'm like, oh, my gosh. Like, I promise you, Millie, Bobby Brown is not refreshing her Netflix when a new season drops. You know, I don't know, you guys. At the end of the day, it's just a little wild, but also just normal, I guess, because, like, is it really that different than YouTube? I mean, yes, but no. It's the same thing. It's the same content. It's not like I'm on a reality show. I mean, I feel like as far as reality tv, this is like the closest I get right now is my 10 seconds on into the Dark. It's the most open and, like, vulnerable I feel like I am because it just feels like a little safe community over here. Like, I would never talk like this on Murder with my husband. So I feel like this is the most vulnerable I am. It's not like I'm even going to be that vulnerable. I wouldn't. You could not pay me a million dollars to go on a reality TV show. That is, like, my biggest fear. Okay, I don't. At this point, I'm just rambling. I need to get to the episode. Let's get to the episode. Trigger warning. This episode includes discussions of violence against children, including sexual assault and murder. So please listen with care. It's safe to say that parenting today looks very different than it did 50 years ago. If you have kids now, odds are that you know where they are at most of the time. They have apps on their phones so you can track when they come and go. They might be required to text or call you regularly. And you probably know the names of most of their friends. Those friends, parents, their teachers, coaches, everyone who comes into contact with them. But many of us wouldn't even recognize the most common parenting tactics from the 1970s. Children would run out the front door in the morning and not talk to their parents until dinner time. Their mother and father had no way of knowing if they were at the park, at a friend's house, getting into trouble. And for the most part, everyone just accepted this as normal. Families back then rarely worried about dangerous accidents, criminals, or any of the other risks that we often see in the news today. It was just a different culture. And if you're wondering how our society's attitudes toward parenting might have changed so much, just look at the events that shook Manhattan in 1979. That's when today's story takes place. And it's one that kinda changed the culture of the world. Our episode is about a six year old boy named Eiton Pates. In 1979, Eiton lived in Manhattan with his parents and siblings. His mother and father were named Julie and Stan. And he had an older sister and a younger brother too. So three children. Now, Manhattan in the late 1970s wasn't as wealthy or glamorous as it is today. It was a working class neighborhood full of factories and blue collar businesses. Like in any other big city, there was crime, there was bad influences. But in spite of that, the big city Aton had a lot of freedom and independence even at his young age. Every single day, his mother walked him two blocks to the nearest school bus stop. She watched him get onto the bus on his own, drive away, and then she wouldn't hear from him for hours. But each afternoon he would walk home from the bus on his own. Now, even though this might sound like a lot, Aton wanted even more independence. He didn't think he needed his mom to accompany him to the bus stop every single day. He thought he could make the short walk himself. I mean, he does it on the way home, but. So every chance he got, Aton begged his parents to let him handle the morning walk on his own. And on May 25, 1979, his mother Julie finally agreed. This was the last school day before the Memorial Day holiday weekend. Eitan had been walking with his mom to the bus stop all year by this point. It was such a quick trip and Eitan knew the route so well that Julie figured nothing too bad could happen to him. So that morning she gave him a dollar bill so he could buy himself a soda at a deli nearby. And then she helped him pack his book bag with all the things he would need at school. And finally she waved goodbye as he walked out the door all alone. That afternoon, Julie expected to see Eiton as soon as he got home from school. She would ask how his first solo walk had gone and hear all about his day. But Eiton didn't come home at his usual time. This was weird enough for Julie to actually call the school and double check that Eiton had gotten on the right bus once class was over. Except the person she spoke to was confused by the call. The school employee explained that Aton had never actually made it to school that day. They'd assumed he was out sick and nobody had thought to call Julie and double check that this was true. Now, as soon as she heard this, Julie felt a knot of anxiety in her stomach. She called the neighbors, especially other people whose kids took the same bus as Eitan. She asked all of them if they had seen him in the morning when they had gotten on that bus. But all of them said the same thing. They hadn't seen Aon all day. He wasn't at the bus stop. Neither had their children. He'd never even made it to the bus stop. It just seemed impossible. Julie didn't understand how her son could have gone missing on a two block walk that he made every single day. But she knew what she had to do next. And she called the police. This is a Monday.com ad, the same Monday.com designed for every team. The same Monday.com with built in AI scaling your work from day one. The same Monday.comwith an easy and intuitive setup. Go to Monday.com and try it for free. 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The officer spent the rest of the day knocking on neighbors doors to see if Aton was playing with a friend from their block. He stopped by the park, local playgrounds and other places where kids like to hang out. And still he didn't see any sign of Aton. Even so, the police officer wasn't that worried. The severity of the situation didn't hit him until that evening when his shift ended and he went home. And as soon as he walked in the front door, the officer saw his own son, who, like aton, was just 6 years old. And suddenly he found himself thinking about how he'd feel if his own child was the one who had disappeared. He realized how terrified he'd be and all of the horrible possibilities that would be weighing on his mind. So in that moment, the police officer was utterly devastated. And he resolved not to rest until he found Eitan. And the next day, a much more intense search began for 500 officers were put on the case. They searched every home and business in the neighborhood, looking for clues. It's now been an entire day and night this little boy has been missing. And there was one particular bodega not too far from Aon's family's apartment. The officers used it as a local headquarters so they could meet and discuss their findings without ever being too far from Aton's home. And they worked hard to get the word out to ensure that everyone in Manhattan was looking for the missing six year old boy. He was actually the first missing child to ever have his face printed on a milk carton. And on top of that, his family papered the city with posters showing his photo and a tip line. A Ton's father, Stan, had always loved photography. So they had a ton of photos of him, all of which were high resolution and high quality. So they put this to good use. And in no time, Aton and his case were famous. And tips came pouring in. The police chased every potential lead, no matter how outlandish they sounded. When a medium claimed that they had a vision of Aton's body in the east river, the officer sent a diving team. Except they found nothing. Now, later, someone suggested that a local carpenter seemed suspicious. So a search team excavated that man's base basement. But once again, they failed to uncover any evidence related to missing a ton. And as for his parents, Stan and Julie, they were desperate for any news, obviously. However, they also didn't want to scare or Upset their other two children, a Ton's brother and sister. They were young and may not have truly understood what was going on. So Stan and Julie did their best to act like life was normal. For their other kids, this meant having their usual family dinners, watching tv, playing with toys, doing all of the things they would have been doing if Aton was still at home. Stan and Julie kept his things in his bedroom and never put them away. They acted like at any minute their son, their six year old son could come back home and life would pick up right where they had left off. This was in spite of the fact that deep down, Stan and Julie feared they'd never be normal again. And that feeling only grew worse as days turned into weeks. And then weeks became years, all without any kind of break. Aton's disappearance was like a bomb had gone off in their lives. It only left destruction in its wake. And somehow it was all the worse, because they didn't even know what had happened to him. But just when it seemed like they might never solve the case, the police received a game changing tip. So let me set the scene. It is now 1982. 3. Three years since Aton had gone missing. Now, that year, the police arrested an unhoused man named Jose Ramos for a theft. Now, Jose lived in a sewer tunnel in Aton's neighborhood. And when the officers apprehended him and searched the area, they found something alarming with his things. A bunch of inappropriate photos of minors. Jose was hoarding pictures of young boys specifically. And one particular boy appeared in those photos again and again. And he looked a lot like Aton, although the police couldn't definitively prove his identity. But to all appearances, Jose had spent a lot of time with this little boy and possibly sexually preyed on him. And this made the police suspect that Jose might have been responsible for Aon's disappearance three years ago. They just needed to investigate deeper and gather more evidence. And when the detectives dug into Jose's past, they saw even more red flags. First, he has a record. It showed a history of sexually abusing children. And on top of that, Jose was close friends with a woman who had used to babysit for Aton. Meaning it was entirely possible that Jose might have known Aon, or at least knew who he was, thanks to the connection. If so, Jose might have become obsessed with Eitan. He knew where he lived, he what day he went missing. And then perhaps Jose could have kidnapped him, hurt him, killed him. Now, the police couldn't prove any of this, but they were suspicious enough to Question Jose, and right away he gave a confession. He said that on the day of Anton's disappearance, he went to a park, and there he saw a young boy who looked to be about Eton's age. According to Jose, he and the boy began talking. And then Jose lured the child back to his home, where he attacked him. Now, once the assault was over, Jose said he killed the victim. Finally, he tossed the boy's body into a building's furnace so he could burn the evidence. Problem was, Jose didn't know this little boy's name. He told the police he was pretty sure it was Aton, but he couldn't be entirely confident. In fact, at one point, he said he thought the boy went by Jimmy, not Aton. Now, this was a problem for the police. They wanted to charge Jose with Aton's murder and get a conviction, but they didn't think they had enough evidence to prove him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Even with a confession, you don't know it's him. There was no physical evidence connecting him to the crime, or even to show that Aton was dead. They'd searched the furnace where Jose allegedly dumped this boy's body, but there were no traces of human remains there. Which could mean he was lying, or that all of the evidence had been destroyed in the past three years. It's hard to say for sure. Another issue had to do with the many holes in Jose's confession. Remember, he didn't know his victim's name. He wasn't even sure if it was Aton. And the boy in the photos couldn't be identified even when experts examined them. There was too much risk that a good lawyer could argue the little boy he had hurt was an Aton. Or even that Jose's confession was false and that he'd never killed anyone at all, maybe had mental illness. In an effort to be careful, the investigators decided not to press charges. At least not for anything related to Aton's case. But the police did find evidence that Jose had abused other minors. This was solid enough that they were able to charge him with sexual assault. He was found guilty and sentenced to prison. The problem was that all through this legal process, the police still didn't uncover a smoking gun that tied Jose to Eitan. Just really good circumstantial evidence. And they wanted to solve this case. Yet the years continued to roll by without a single new break. By 2000, nobody had even been arrested or tried for Aton's disappearance. So that year, an official approached his parents with an idea. They said, hey, you should sue Jose in a wrongful death suit. The hope was that during the civil trial, Jose might slip up, say something more incriminating than the confession he'd already given. Or perhaps new evidence might even come to light. It could open the door to make criminal charges possible. Now, Julian Stan had some hesitations around this plan, Mainly because they couldn't sue Jose for a wrongful death until after they'd had Aon legally declared dead. And even though it had been 21 years since their son had gone missing, they just hadn't gone through with the process yet. They continued to hope that Aton might still come home someday. They knew it wasn't logical or even likely, but having him declared dead felt like giving up. And on the other hand, they didn't want A Ton's killer to get away with it. So they followed all of the steps the police had recommended. They had A Ton declared dead, and then they sued Jose. And they won this civil suit. He was found guilty and ordered to pay $2 million to the family. Obviously, Jose did not have $2 million, and he never gave the family a cent. Except they were okay with that. The trial was never even about the money. It was about helping the police with a murder investigation. Unfortunately, this still wasn't enough. No new information came out during the hearing. And the police still didn't feel like they could charge Jose with the crime, even though in a civil court he was found guilty. But it's possible that there was a very good reason for that. Maybe Jose didn't actually do it. Even though he was the top suspect from early on. The police received a new tip 10 years after the civil suit. So 2010, that put a whole new possibility on their radar. See, a man had recently watched a news report on Aton's cold case. And this man thought he knew who had done it. His brother in law, Pedro Hernandez. Now, you'll remember how earlier I mentioned that there was a bodega in Eitan's neighborhood, not too far from where his family lived. Well, in 1979, Pedro had been 18 years old and working in that bodega. So he had been near the scene of the crime on the day of Aton's disappearance. And recently, Pedro had told his brother in law something suspicious. That at some point in the past, he had hurt a young boy very badly. Pedro never said exactly what he had done, who the boy was, or when it happened. But it was just enough for the brother in law to wonder, what if Pedro was the person who had killed Aton, he couldn't prove anything. But he had to let the police know what he suspected. Well, some officers investigated this tip and they found even more alarming facts. See, Pedro hadn't only given this confession to his brother in law. He had been talking about it to basically everyone. He had said the same thing to his ex wife, his friends, and to multiple people who attended his church. For years, Pedro had been telling people that at some point in the past he had hurt a boy. But no one had taken him seriously. Until now. The police also learned that Pedro had quit his job right after A Ton's disappearance. He'd fled New York and resettled in New Jersey. That's where he had lived since then. So needless to say, the timing of this was all very suspicious and just the circumstance. So the police pulled Pedro in for questioning. Now, this interrogation lasted for six hours and the start of it was not very productive. Pedro rambled about unrelated topics and seemed to struggle to focus. And during this time, the police had their body cams turned off. According to their official statements, they didn't expect Pedro to say anything relevant, so they didn't think it was worth recording. But at some point, something abruptly changed. Pedro began talking about Aton. And it happened so suddenly. According to the officers, they didn't get a chance to turn on their cameras or read him his Miranda rights. They just sat there and listened to, probably for fear that he would stop talking. He said that on May 25, 1979, the day of Aton's disappearance, he had seen the young boy at a bus stop. And Pedro wasn't sure what came over him in the moment, but he had a sudden impulse to lure a ton away from safety. He talked the six year old into coming to the bodega with him. And then they went to the basement, which was off limits to the public and out of sight. And the moment they were away from any witnesses, another dark impulse came over Pedro. According to his statement, he had a desire to choke someone to death. Now, to be clear, he wasn't angry. The little boy hadn't done anything to upset him. Pedro said it was like he just couldn't control his actions anymore. And Pedro told the police he strangled the little boy for no reasons. Aton. And then once a had died, he took his backpack and hid it behind either a freezer or a refrigerator in the basement. And then finally, he put the body in a dumpster and left it there to be taken away to the dump. Now, to summarize, Pedro freely confessed to murdering A Ton and disposing of the remains with pretty good detail. But when the police asked why he had done it, Pedro said he didn't know. He said, quote, it was something, it just happened. So it might sound like the case is closed, right? Well, once again, there were some serious problems with the police's top suspect. Now, first and foremost, there was no physical evidence connecting Pedro to A Ton's disappearance. It was the same issue the investigators had been dealing with in Jose's case. And aside from the confession, there was absolutely nothing connecting Pedro to the crime. Except, of course, again, there was a confession. And unlike Jose, Pedro was very clear and confident that his victim was Aton. At least he was clear about that now. But when Pedro had confessed in the past, his story had been inconsistent. I mentioned before that he had talked to his ex wife, his brother in law and numerous friends about harming a little boy. But one time he had said said the victim was black. Another time he said he was white, just like Aton. And there were other wild variations from one telling of the story to the next. This is actually one of the reasons nobody had even taken Pedro very seriously. It was hard to believe him when he couldn't even keep his story straight. People figured he was just a little off and making things up. There was also some problematic things about his statement. If you remember, he says that he spotted Eitan originally at the bus stop. Well, all of the other kids and parents said they didn't see Eitan at the bus stop that day. So if he was abducted, it probably happened before the bus stop. This is obviously inconsistent in Pedro's testimony. All of those witnesses also told the police they didn't remember seeing Pedro at the bus stop that day either. Now, on top of that, he said that he put Eitan's backpack in a refrigerator or freezer in the basement. Except the police actually searched the bodega shortly after Aton went missing, including those items in the basement, and they found nothing. This was the bodega the officers were using as a headquarters. All day, every day, numerous officers were there coordinating searches, sharing information, and relaying updates to the press. If anything that had belonged to Aton was still in the bodega, the investigators would have found it. Pedro's confession, I mean, in the way he said it was kind of impossible. Now, you may be wondering, why would someone, let alone two people, give a false confession, Especially to such a horrible crime? Well, the answer became clear not long after Pedro was arrested. He received a mental health evaluation. And his doctor said he had a severe personality disorder. It caused Hallucinations and made Pedro hear voices. He also struggled to tell the difference between reality and fantasy. So, in other words, Pedro probably really believed that he had killed a ton when he confessed to the police. He might have thought he was telling the truth, but his whole statement could have been false, a product of delusions and mental illness. Now, in spite of these issues, the state still charged Pedro with murder and kidnapping. They thought there was at least a grain of truth in his confession, that even if some of the details were wrong, basically, they thought he was the killer. In spite of a lack of any hard evidence. They may have been swayed by the fact that Pedro had a history of legal problems, including domestic violence, sexual abuse, and drug use. He fit the profile the prosecutors were looking for. So his trial actually began in 2015. But by this time, Pedro had changed his stance. He pleaded not guilty and claimed he was innocent of the crime. And his lawyer focused on the inconsistencies in the confession and on Pedro's mental health struggles at the time. The prosecutor responded by saying nobody would ever confess to brutally murdering a child unless they had actually done it, which, oddly enough, is not really true. They urged the jury to take Pedro's statement to the police completely seriously. Clearly, the jurors didn't know who to believe. They were unable to come to a unanimous verdict, and the judge declared a mistrial. So that meant Pedro had to wait two more years, until 2017 to face his charges again. And it was like history repeating itself. He pleaded not guilty and talked about his history of mental health struggles. And meanwhile, the prosecutors focused on his disturbing confession. And after hearing all of the arguments, the jury still had a hard time with their deliberation. At one point, they asked the judge to answer a question for them. See, during the trial, they had watched three different recordings from the police interrogation, and they had heard Pedro give the same confession all three of those times. Except a lot of the jurors felt like the first confession wasn't believable. They thought Pedro was lying, or that his mental health condition had made him say things that weren't true. He might have even been a little coached to admit to the crime. After all, we know there was a long period during the interrogation where the officer's body cameras were turned off. As add that with someone struggling with mental health, this concerned them. And they also were concerned that Pedro gave his statement before his Miranda rights were read. But the other two confessions came after the police informed him of his rights. While the cameras were on. Basically, the jurors had serious doubts about the first confession. The other two seemed more credible, but they weren't sure if their concerns should apply to all three statements. So the jury foreman asked the judge if they should dismiss the second two confessions because of the problems with the first one. And the judge said, quote, the answer is no. That was it. There was no further explanation, Just those four words. Apparently, this was just the answer the jurors needed. After a grand total of nine days of deliberation, which is pretty long, they came back and found Pedro guilty of kidnapping and murder. He was sentenced to 25 years to life in prison, which must have brought comfort to Aton's family, but could never erase the pain they felt. In fact, during the trial, Aton's father, Stan, said this to Pedro. After all of these years, we finally know what dark secret you kept locked in your heart. You took our precious child and threw him in the garbage, and I will never forgive you. But Pedro still maintained that he was innocent, as he had ever since he had received his mental health diagnosis. His lawyer also believed his client hadn't done it. So right away, they began filing appeals. And in the summer of 2025, they won the right to a retrial. It all came down to that question the jurors had asked during deliberation. The one about whether they could let their concerns about one confession influence their thoughts on the others. See, the judge's answer was wrong. If the first confession was at all coerced, that would invalidate the rest of them. And it was also wrong to give a forward answer. Just saying the answer is no without any context. So basically, the jury was given incorrect instructions by the judge, and that led them to issue a verdict that wasn't legally binding. And on those grounds, Pedro's conviction was overturned. This meant he either had to be released or get a retrial. And as of this recording, it is unclear if Pedro will face the charges again or if he's just let go. For now, he's still in prison, and prosecutors have publicly said they intend to keep him there. Pedro has already served 13 years, all for a crime he possibly didn't commit. The truth is, we still don't know for sure if Pedro actually did it. For that matter, we don't know what happened to Aton. His body has never been found. So we also can't say how or when he died, who did it, or why. And even though there are a lot of unknowns in this case, one thing is undeniable. Aton's disappearance changed the nation. It made national news and this, in turn, made many parents aware of the sad truth that there are bad, violent people in the world who could hurt your child while walking to the bus stop. People who are willing to hurt children live in this world. And it's also worth mentioning that two years after he went missing, another boy made headlines with his disappearance, Adam Walsh. I covered him earlier in the show, and you should check out that episode if you want to learn more. Aton and Adam's cases led to the creation of the center for Missing and Exploited Children. And on top of that, many police departments changed their policies around missing minors because of these cases. They found ways to respond to these cases faster and to increase the odds of finding the missing child alive. All of this was good. It helped make the world a bit safer. But there was another change, too. The culture around parenting in the US Began to shift. Parents were a lot less willing to let their kids out of sight for even brief periods of time. They were too afraid their loved ones might go missing. So mothers and fathers began supervising their sons and daughters on their way to and from school while they were playing. And at other times, some experts think this change wasn't necessarily a good thing. Children need to learn independence. It's good to let them explore the world on their own. But I don't blame anyone for being protective of their children, because Aton's story shows how terribly things can go wrong when you let a young person out of your sight, even if it's just for a few moments or two blocks away. All right, you guys, that was our episode for today. Please let me know your thoughts and I will see you next time with another one. Goodbye. Close your eyes. Listen to Monday.com feel the sensation of an AI work platform, so flexible and intuitive it feels like it was built just for you. Now open your eyes, go to Monday.com, start for free, and finally breathe.