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You're listening to an Ono Media Podcast. Hey everyone and welcome back to the into the Dark podcast. I'm your host Peyton Moreland. I'm so glad you are here and listening or watching the show. Now as always, before we get into the meat of the episode, I start off with my 10 seconds. I'm just not feeling very good actually just got out of the bath. But I am looking at Daisy and she is just I cracked the door and she's just sitting in the sun having a ball it looks like. But yeah, Garrett's Bagel Shop is getting ready to open. We've just been running around like crazy with that. Nothing much going on other than work really. And then yeah, just not feeling very well. But thank you so much for being here and listening and watching and lets get into today's episode. Now today I am covering a story that you may have already heard of. You might even know a lot about it. And that's because I'm discussing a celebrity who died in very mysterious circumstances in the early 1980s. Her death was a massive news story and even people who don't usually follow true crime know about it. But there's a reason I'm actually telling you about all of this, even though it is such a well known case. And that's because 45 years have passed and there are still a lot of rumors, allegations and theories about this death. Which is why it's worth keeping the spotlight on it because many people believe justice still hasn't been served and that is why today I am covering the mysterious death of Natalie Wood. And the story begins well before she died, and honestly, even before she was born. See, Natalie's mother was a woman named Maria. And when Maria was a young girl, she had her fortune told. And the psychic told Maria she would have at least two children, and her second child would be, quote, a great beauty known throughout the world. But then the medium added that the child should, quote, beware dark water. Now, she didn't offer any specifics, but it sounded like something bad would happen to this child in or near water. Now, Maria wanted to make the prophecy a reality, at least the part about her child being beautiful and famous. And sure enough, when her second daughter, Natalie, was born, Maria pushed her to become a star. Natalie grew up in Hollywood. Maria booked auditions and tried to kickstart her career as an actress. She actually made Natalie change her name. Natalie Wood was not her birth name, but her agents and her mother, Maria, all thought the new moniker was memorable and good for her career. And Maria also sometimes told Natalie upsetting, traumatic things to make her cry on camera. That way, she would have an edge when she was going after dramatic roles. And Maria forced Natalie to put in long hours, rehearsing, memorizing her lines, and working constantly. This was hard. It was upsetting for Natalie, but it worked because she ended up landing major parts in films like Miracle on 34th street and West side Story. And Natalie was rapidly becoming a massively famous star. But by the time she was just 16, Natalie decided she'd had enough. To be clear, she still loved acting and wanted to keep working in Hollywood. However, she wanted to make her own choices about the roles that she would take and how she would get them. She wanted freedom and independence. So Natalie set boundaries with her mom and then decided to manage her own career. Now, right away, she began to get more adult roles, and she was kind of able to rebrand herself as sexy. She also began to embrace her sensuality in real life. Now, you see this happen a lot with people who are forced to grow up too quickly, especially in Hollywood. Natalie made some bad decisions. She got involved with much older men while she was underage and cheated on multiple partners. However, by 1956, which is when she turned 18, Natalie was kind of ready to settle down. And by this time, she was in a serious relationship with another actor named Robert Wagner. So when Robert the actor, proposed to Natalie, she said yes, and they got married the next year in 1957. But their relationship had problems almost from the start. Natalie was still very young. She and Robert fought a lot. There were also rumors of infidelity. The gossip was kind of inconsistent, though. Some people thought Natalie was cheating on Robert, while others said he was cheating on her. The point was, they were clearly not in a good place and their relationship was public with both of them being actors. So by 1962, after five years of marriage, Robert and Natalie filed for divorce. And afterward, Natalie took another chance on love, and this time, she married a film producer. They had one child together, a daughter named Natasha. But it was kind of like history was repeating itself, because once again, Natalie realized she was trapped in an unhappy relationship. So she went through her second divorce in 1971, after just two years of marriage. And then, in a shock to everyone, she got back together with her ex husband, Robert. Apparently, they had both grown as people while they were apart. They were wiser and more mature now, and they thought they had what it took to now make things work. So in 1972, Natalie gets married for a third time, and her third husband is also her ex husband, Robert Wagner. Now, they went on to have a daughter together, Courtney. And by this time, Natalie was in her 30s with two daughters. She was older, she was more mature and ready to do things right when it came to her family. Except once again, Natalie and Robert's marriage wasn't perfect. They still had some very serious problems as a couple. Apparently, they fought a lot about Natalie's career. She traveled for film shoots, and she wasn't always home to support her husband and children the way that Robert wanted her to be. And those problems just became worse when Natalie was cast in a movie called Brainstorm. Now, her co star was Christopher Walken, who you may know from Deer Hunter, Batman Returns, Severance. Now, in Brainstorm, Natalie and Christopher were playing a married couple, and their chemistry was off the charts. They just clicked, and they really came across like two people who were genuinely in love. Now, to be clear, everyone on set said Natalie and Christopher were very professional with each other. Neither of them did or said anything inappropriate, but it was pretty clear that they were vibing even when the cameras were off. And I mean, we see this today. Didn't this just happen with Sydney Sweeney and Glen Powell? So it should be no surprise that Natalie invited Christopher to join her and Robert for Thanksgiving in 1981. See, Robert, her husband, owned a yacht which was called the Splendor. Now, he enjoyed going on boating trips whenever he and Natalie had time off. So the plan was for them to spend the holiday weekend on Catalina island, which is just off the shores of Los Angeles. Now, it's a very popular vacation destination for people in Southern California. And Natalie asked Christopher if he wanted to come to Catalina with them. And he says yes. So in the final week of November, four people set sail on the Splendor. They were Robert, Natalie, the married couple, Christopher, very cutesy co star, and the yacht's captain, a man named Dennis DuVernay. Now, for days, they docked just off the shores of the island. Most nights, they just slept on the yacht. And during the day, when they wanted to get to the land, they would take a tiny boat called a dinghy back and forth. Now, the dinghy was a small inflatable craft. It was easier to steer and park than the yacht. 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Then full price plans, options available, tax and fees extra C Mint Mobile for details so that evening, everyone decided to go to shore and have dinner together. And I mean everybody, even the captain, was at the restaurant too. But he may have quickly regretted coming because this was a very tense meal. At one point, an argument breaks out and it's hard to say exactly who was fighting or what it was even about. All we know is several restaurant employees witnessed this fight, but they all give contradictory accounts of what was happening. We know at some point, one of the men threw a glass against a wall and it shattered. Some people said Robert did it, others said it was Christopher. It's hard to say really. And from the sound of things, the reason they were angry was because Robert was jealous of Christopher. Like, hello, one plus one equals two. He thought Christopher was just a little too close to his wife Natalie, just like everyone in the press. Now, on top of that, everyone was drinking a lot during this dinner, including Captain Dennis. So the four of them had had two entire bottles of wine, two more bottles of champagne, and multiple cocktails while they ate dinner. And by the time they were done eating and paying their bill, Robert, Natalie, Christopher, and Dennis were all incredibly drunk and fighting. And the good news was that they didn't have any plans to drive or to take the Splendor anywhere that night. But still, the restaurant employees were worried the four wouldn't be able to steer the dinghy back to the yacht safely. Again. This is just like a very small blowup boat. Now remember, the Splendor was parked in the open Water pretty far from the island's shores. So everyone needed to take the tiny dinghy back and forth. And it seemed like a risky move given how drunk everyone was. So at 10pm this party of four paid the bill and stumbled out of the restaurant. The manager, waiters and chefs could only pray they would be able to steer the dinghy without tipping it over and falling into the water. But thankfully, the fears weren't necessary. All four safely made it back to the yacht, and then nobody heard from them again until very early the next morning at 3:30am so kind of more into the night, that is when Natalie's husband Robert, called the Coast Guard from the Splendors radio, and he explained that Natalie, his wife, wasn't in bed. He'd searched the entire yacht up and down, and there was no sign of her. So now Robert was worried Natalie might have fallen overboard, and he had called the Coast Guard. Now, right away, a Coast Guard team rushed to the harbor where the Splendor was docked. Rescue boats crisscrossed the shoreline looking for Natalie in the water. Again, it's dark, it's 3:30am and meanwhile, a search team was searching the yacht just in case Robert had missed something. Now, they didn't find Natalie, but they did notice that the dinghy was missing. So obviously they're like, well, did you ever think that your wife Natalie just took the dinghy? Maybe she is back on the island. Maybe she took the dinghy herself to get there. This is a pretty good sign, right? It suggested that Natalie was still okay and almost a little weird that her husband had called. This is suggesting she took the dinghy and hadn't fallen into the ocean during the night. But this entire theory falls apart at 5:30am so two hours had passed since Robert's call, and that's when the Coast Guard actually found their dinghy drifting near the coast. And it was empty. Natalie was not in it, and the dinghy's engines were turned off. So it's not like she had fallen off it while driving it around. Now, A little over two more hours later, at about 8am The Coast Guard actually finally finds Natalie too. But sadly, she was dead. They found her body floating, dressed in a nightgown with a warm coat over her pajamas. To all appearances, it looked like she drowned, except when they recover her body, they notice that she's covered in bruises. So right away, the police get involved and they speak to Robert, Christopher and Dennis about what had happened on that yacht. And they all give very similar statements. They said they hadn't seen what happened to Natalie. They but they could describe the events from right before she had disappeared. See, everyone agreed that after they had left the restaurant and came back to the Splendor, they weren't ready to go to bed yet. They said they wanted to keep the night going. Dennis, the captain, needed to take care of some chores, so he told everyone good night and then went to work on the yacht. But Christopher, Natalie, and Robert opened yet another bottle of wine despite having the fight at the restaurant, and they sat around drinking and chatting again. Though, as you'll remember, things were tense at the restaurant, and despite deciding to keep the night going, that tension was still there. It's not like they really solved anything. So while they were all talking, Robert began making comments about Natalie's parenting style. He still didn't like that she was traveling and working away from home for long periods of time. He felt like she was being a bad mother, and he let her know right here in front of Christopher. Now, Natalie tried to defend herself, but the argument became so loud that Dennis, the captain, could hear it from where he was working on a completely different part of the Splendor, and he actually turned on music to drown out the three of them fighting. He didn't want to hear it. Now, in the meantime, Christopher spoke up to tell Robert, hey, you're not being very fair to Natalie. And this is when Robert snapped and told Christopher to mind his own business. Which is when Christopher says he realized he was not helping the situation. He wanted to have Natalie's back, but he realized he was only making Robert angrier by getting involved. So, according to Christopher, he told Robert and Natalie to work it out amongst themselves. And then he went outside to find Dennis and just vent about the two of them fighting. Now, eventually, Robert ends up joining Dennis and Christopher, too. He says they hashed everything out and agreed to stop fighting. Basically, everyone realized they were being ridiculous and not thinking clearly. They were tired and drunk, so they all agreed together that it was time to just go to sleep and see if they felt better in the morning. So Robert headed back to his room. But according to him, at this point, because, remember, he was with Christopher and Dennis, he heads to the room and doesn't find Natalie. She's not there. And then he got up and walked all around the Splendor, checking to see if she was getting fresh air, just grabbing a snack, except there was no sign of her. So that is when Robert went to tell the captain what had happened. Now, by this time, Christopher was already asleep in his room. So Robert And Dennis decided not to wake him because they still weren't sure where Natalie was or if this is an emergency. So instead Dennis got on the radio to call for help at about 1:30. But according to this statement he gave police, nobody picked up. So he and Robert were on their own for two hours. They desperately searched the yacht and the waters around it. They found nothing. And then finally, at 3:30, Robert did manage to reach the Coast Guard. And then we all know what happened after that. So now that Natalie is dead and you guys are all caught up, I'm going to tell you about Robert's theory. Robert had a theory about how Natalie had died. He speculated that she must have been furious about their fight. And when he had left to talk to Dennis and Christopher, Natalie may have decided to leave the Splendor and head to shore. That way she could be alone. So she had probably tried to lower the dinghy into the water so she could steer it to the island on her own. But Natalie was obviously not a very experienced boater. According to Robert's theory, she had lowered the dinghy into the ocean and then when she tried to climb inside of it, she slipped and fell into the water and she drowned before anyone else even realized what was going on. And the dinghy had drifted away to just be discovered by the Coast Guard the next morning. Except this story didn't make much sense and the police had some pretty serious problems with it. First of all, there's the fact that Natalie died in her pajamas. She was a very image conscious, professional actress. She would never go out in public in her pajamas. If she wanted to take the dinghy to the island, she would have changed into an outfit first. And then there was the question of all of the bruises on Natalee's body, except a coroner was actually able to kind of explain these away. The post mortem exam showed her injuries were consistent with a fall. In particular, there was a huge bump on her head. Apparently the autopsy showed it looked exactly like the kind of bump you would get if you hit your head against a yacht after falling off it. So the coroner said they thought they knew what had really happened to Natalie. This is the coroner's theory. Supposedly Robert's original theory was right. According to them, Natalie must have been trying to leave the Splendor on the dinghy. She'd slipped and fallen into the ocean next to the small boat and in the process she had hit her head. Then she had tried to stay afloat for as long as she could. But remember what I said at the beginning of the episode how a fortune teller once told Natalie's mother she should beware of dark water. Natalie's mom had told her about the prophecy when she was really young. And for her entire life afterward, Natalie had taken it seriously. She kind of avoided water. She never learned how to swim. So here she was now, in cold water in late November, wearing pajamas and a coat that were getting soaked in heavy. And apparently she had hit her head. On top of that, she still had some alcohol in her system and she had taken painkillers that night. Plus, she didn't know how to keep her head above the waves anyways. So tragically, Natalie only lasted a short while before the frigid water and exhaustion overwhelmed her and she sank beneath the waves. So now, according to the coroner, her official cause of death was an accidental drowning. And this was a tragic mistake. Okay, case closed. Except people still wondered if this was the complete truth or if there was more to the story here. Because again, it didn't seem like Natalie would try to go to shore in her pajamas. Plus, if she was so scared of water that she'd never even learned to swim, would she really try to drive a dinghy on her own? It just felt a little out of character for her. And on top of that, people wondered about the two hour gap between the time when Natalie apparently disappeared and when Robert finally got a hold of the Coast Guard. Sure, Captain Dennis claimed he had tried to get help earlier at 1:30am and then the call finally went through at 3:30am but honestly, this was an emergency situation. He should have been calling the Coast Guard every few minutes until he reached someone. Does it really take two hours to search the yacht? Or if they were refusing to pick up, he could have called the other boats that were in the harbor. The Splendor was not the only yacht that was parked off the shore. There were lots of people Dennis could have contacted to ask for help, but it almost seemed like they hadn't even really been trying to look for her. Now, in spite of these issues, the police do close the case. And it seemed like the truth might never come out. At least not until 2011. This is 30 years after Natalie's tragic death. That is when Dennis, Captain Dennis came forward and admitted after all these years that he had lied to the police. Apparently, things had played out very differently that night than what he'd originally told them. And Dennis had given a false statement in order to protect Robert. You guys, I am so excited to talk to you about Poshmark. This is a newer sponsor, but I love Poshmark. I recently got a new pair of Uggs from Poshmark that I've been wearing as well as a new pair of Steve Madden tennis shoes that I've been wearing non stop. It is so easy and you get it at a discounted rate. Which is the best? 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No minimum balance required. Checking account ranking Based on a J.D. power survey published 10-20-2025 for more information on APY rates, MyPay, Spot Me and travel perks, go to Chime.com disclosures see According to Dennis's new story in 2011, the fight between Robert and Natalie that night had been vicious because Robert wasn't only angry at Natalie for working outside the home, he also believed she was cheating on him with Christopher. Now, Natalie and Christopher both denied it on this trip, and after Robert made his accusation, Christopher went straight to bed rather than give any credence to his wild allegations. Except Natalie and Robert stayed up and Dennis is now saying they were fighting so loudly that he couldn't help but overhear. He listened to the muffled shouts coming from inside their bedroom and then they came out on the deck and continued the argument. Except then, according to Dennis, they both suddenly go silent as though something had happened to force them to be quiet. Something like Natalie slipping and falling into the water. Or maybe Robert pushing her. Now, in fairness, Dennis hadn't actually seen what had happened. He didn't know for sure. But not long after that eerie silence settled in. Robert came to Dennis and told him Natalie was missing. And that was when Dennis had tried to call for help. Only nobody answered. So his next thought was that if nobody could help them, he would find Natalie himself. He wanted to turn on some really bright searchlights that were mounted on the Splendor. That way if Natalie was around the boat, they would be able to see her even though it was late at night and the ocean was dark. Except, according to Dennis, Robert ordered him to keep the lights off, said he didn't want to use them. Now, Dennis immediately thought this was weird, but he was tired and tipsy. He wasn't thinking clearly. Plus, Robert was his boss and Dennis may have felt weird about standing up to him. So he agreed to leave the searchlights off. He says two hours then passed, and the whole time Dennis wondered if Robert had intentionally hurt or killed Natalie. He could hear them arguing one second and then it stopped the next. And finally, at 3:30, Robert agreed to call the Coast Guard himself and report her disappearance. And then before the rescuers could arrive, he and Dennis allegedly agreed on what they would say just because they didn't want to look suspicious, they wanted to keep their story straight. And from there, things played out just like I've already told you. But if you believe Dennis's story, Robert was behaving pretty suspiciously that night. So Dennis's new story doesn't necessarily say, oh, I saw him kill her. But it does say that I was actually way More suspicious than I originally told people. According to the new story, he may have pushed her overboard or she could have fallen in on accident, but then Robert prevented Dennis from really rescuing her. Either way, it sounded like Robert was at least partially responsible for his wife's death or helped prevent her from being saved. At least if you believe Dennis's testimony. But I should acknowledge that some people thought he wasn't a very reliable source, because when he went public with this new version of his story, I do have to tell you, he made some money. He got paid for interviews with different tabloids. He signed a book deal. So some people thought maybe Dennis was lying or just exaggerating to get rich off of Natalie's death. I mean, it's not like he really dropped a bomb, but he definitely made things more suspicious. However, that Same year in 2011, a potential witness came forward to actually corroborate portions of Dennis's story. See, like I mentioned before, there were other yachts in the harbor besides the splendor that night and the night she died. Some people on a different yacht actually heard some things. It was a woman's voice begging for assistance, they said. She kept saying things like, help me. Someone please help me. I'm drowning. But apparently, nobody was helping. The people on this yacht didn't really know where the sound was coming from, what direction, what boat, so they couldn't get to the woman. But at one point, they heard a man reassure her and say he was helping. Except even then, she didn't really quiet down. According to the witnesses, she was still yelling and begging for someone to help her, even though they could hear a man reassuring her. It's impossible to really say what's going on. Maybe the man had lied and told the woman he was going to help just to abandon her. Maybe he was trying to find her and couldn't. Either way, after about 15 minutes, they said the ocean just fell silent. And the people on this yacht didn't really know what to do. Eventually, they just convinced themselves that maybe the screams for help had been a tasteless practical joke. So they didn't call the Coast Guard or report anything until 30 years later in 2011. Which, once again, this just raises a lot of questions. If this story is true, it's odd that the people on this other yacht waited so long to report what they had heard when surely, the next morning, they found out a woman had drowned. So perhaps they're just exaggerating. Maybe when they saw Dennis come forward and get attention, they decided to just kind of piggyback on it. It's weird because their version of events only partially matches Dennis's account. They also suggested a man, maybe Robert, knew Natalie had fallen and refused to help her. But Dennis claimed the ocean was silent after the fight. If you remember, he doesn't say anyone was ever asking for help. And these people were like, she was asking. She was screaming loud enough. We heard her. So even these stories don't really match up. Except this is wild, because not long after all of this comes to light, Robert decides to make his own new confession. He now said the statement he had given to the police also wasn't fully accurate. And he confessed that he had been jealous of Christopher Walken. According to Robert, he had accused Christopher and Natalie of having an affair. This is just like what Dennis said. But Robert denied the rest of Dennis's new story. Said he hadn't been fighting with Natalie on the deck and then she fell into the water. He hadn't tried to interfere with Dennis's attempts to find her. Robert insisted he was innocent of any wrongdoing. And like Dennis, he also published a tell all book that discussed Natalie's death. And in it, he offered two different theories about how she could have ended up drowning. His first explanation was the same thing he had said the entire time, that Natalie had tried to take the dinghy to shore on her own, just to fall into the ocean and drown. But in his book, Robert also admitted that the dinghy might not have been properly put away that night. So maybe Natalie wasn't trying to take the dinghy to the island. Maybe she was trying to tie it down, like close up the boat for the night. And while she was fumbling around with the ropes, it had come loose. And then Natalie and the dinghy both fell into the water. That would explain why she was in her pajamas, because she wasn't actually expecting to go to the island. She was just trying to help the boat after, you know, the night had come to an end. Except Robert also admitted he didn't know for sure. He's just speculating. So who do we believe? Dennis is saying one thing. Robert's story is different. A lot of people are unsure who to believe. It's almost like the story is all. All the different stories are floating around the same thing but don't match up. And to make things more complicated, you're probably waiting for Christopher's theory. Except he refused to talk about that night at all. By the 2010s, he was avoiding questions about Natalie. During interviews. He'd only say it had been a long Time ago. And he wanted to move forward with his life, not dwell on the past, which was his right. But his refusal to speak also meant nobody really knew who was lying, who was telling the truth. Could he shed any light on any of the theories? Even Natalie's family was split about what to believe. See, her sister Lana publicly implied that Natalee had been murdered. She thought Robert Wagner had something to do with it. It was the only explanation that made sense to her. Except Natalie's two daughters, Natasha and Courtney, were completely convinced their mother had just died on accident. I mean, after all, Robert had raised them. Even though he wasn't Natasha's biological father, he was very involved in her life after Natalie's death. And she and Courtney said Robert was a sweet man, he was a good dad, he loved Natalie. He had no motive to hurt or kill her. Plus, they say he just wasn't capable of murdering anyone. If anything, Natalie's death had devastated him. They say he never completely got over the loss, meaning he was nothing like a cold blooded killer. So instead, Courtney and Natasha said people were spreading rumors and dragging Robert's name through the mud. They also publicly begged people to stop implying that he had done anything wrong. Not that this stopped their Aunt Lana or True Crime fans, because this is suspicious. I mean, anytime someone accidentally drowns on a boat trip, we're currently having one right now, people are immediately suspicious. But accidents happen, right? So even the police in this case seemed unsure about who to believe. After Dennis came forward with his new story, they actually went back and reclassified Natalie's official cause of death to drowning and undetermined factors. They weren't conclusively saying she had been murdered, but they were at least open now to the possibility. The officers also named Robert a person of interest in Natalie's death. They said they wanted to question him, but the problem was they couldn't force him to agree to an interrogation. He wasn't under arrest or charged with anything. And each time the investigators approached Robert all these years later and asked if he would consent, he said no, he didn't want to cooperate with the investigation. Now, I do want to acknowledge it is traumatic to lose someone you love. And if Natalee did drown in an accident, Robert would have every right to move on and grieve in private, especially if he knew he was a suspect. Why would you talk to police? It's perfectly legitimate to tell the police that you need to protect your own peace and mental health and to say you're not going to keep rehashing a devastating loss. You experienced decades ago when you really completely feel like it was an accident. So there are plenty of valid reasons not to talk to the investigators. But also, the more time went on without him giving a statement, the more people wondered why he wasn't cooperating with police. Now, in 2022, the police formally cleared Robert of all suspicion. They've never spoken out about how they were able to rule him out as a suspect. If there's evidence that isn't public, we don't know about it. From the outside, it was impossible to say what happened on the night Natalie died, which unfortunately is kind of still where things stand today. Natalie's case is officially still open. It's still classified as drowning and undetermined factors, and no one has proven it was either a murder or an accident. It all just kind of comes down to what you believe. But we do know Robert has been cleared by police now. I'm not surprised so many people are obsessed with Natalie's case. It has twists and turns and lies and wild allegations and celebrities. There's even a supernatural element because remember the fortune teller saying to Natalie's mom that she should beware of dark water? Sure enough, whether it was murder or an accident, Natalie did drown in dark water. The prophecy came true. It's strange and mysterious, and it's also a bit disappointing because Natalie's death is incredibly high profile, well covered and documented, but we still can't even really figure out how or why she died. It's great to bring attention to unsolved crimes and raise awareness of disappearances and deaths. However, awareness isn't everything, and sometimes even the most famous cases end up never getting solved. Do you even think this case is solvable? I mean, there's no physical evidence that we know of. Unless people are going to come forward and say, never mind, we lied. We did it. Which why would they at this point? Let me know what you guys think. Obviously, I do just want to make it obvious that everything is alleged if there is any suspicion or pointing fingers, because no one has been charged in this case. But it is still one of those things that people go, huh? How exactly did this happen? All right, you guys, thank you for listening to this episode with me, and I will see you next time as we go further into the dark together. Goodbye.