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Hi everyone and welcome back to the
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into the Dark podcast. I'm your host Peyton Moreland.
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I'm so glad you are here watching or listening.
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This is a true crime podcast that
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also ventures into all things spooky dark. Essentially why we are going into the dark. Before we get into today's episode, I need to do my 10 seconds and the bagel shop is open. The bagel shop had its grand opening. It was actually open again today and he sold out in like an hour and a half. So we're just kind of like in this stage where we're trying to figure out how many, you know, bagels to
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roll the night before because they proof for like 24 to 48 hours.
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And so you can't just like make them that day and sell them that day. So you have to prepare beforehand. But then also just how many bagels
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is even possible to roll because they roll them all by hand.
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So every single employee is there the day and night before after they close, just rolling bagels till their hands fall off. And it takes like so long to roll these bagels. And then yeah, anyways, I don't think he thought he would be selling as many as he is, which is a great problem to have. But also hoping like we also know
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it's, you know, the first little bit that it's open and so the numbers
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will even out eventually. So kind of just playing it by
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ear for the first two weeks trying
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to figure out okay exactly how many
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do they have to roll in order
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to not sell out the next day or at least try to make it till closing? Because again, today they were only open for an hour and a half before they sold out, so they definitely did not have enough. And he was there yesterday for, like, six hours rolling. So, again, a great problem to have, but the bagel shop is open. I was so excited that I got to talk to so many people. I was able to work the POS system or, like, where people order, and so I got to talk to a lot of people. So thank you everyone who came in and supported. I am in complete awe of Garrett and everything he's done with this bagel shop. I cannot explain to you the amount of energy, work, money, time, just stress that he has put into this shop. Told you guys before, Garrett's very much a do it himself man, and so he doesn't ask for a lot of help. He does a lot of stuff on his own, which just leads to a lot of hours. And I'm so very proud of him that he was able to open the shop himself and able to do it all. But also, I just don't even understand how he was able to do that all. I've just been in such awe of him this week, and being able to witness it has been. It almost like, I don't want this to sound creepy, but I almost feel like a proud mom in the sense that my love is like how you would feel about Daisy or a child or just like, you know, when you're so, so proud of something that you love so unconditionally. That's how I feel about Garrett. Like, watching him do this this week, and it's been such a, you know, great thing for my love for him and just growing it and getting to see this. You know, we did the podcast together, so I was a lot more involved, and I've been way more hands off with the bagel shop because this was more his dream. And obviously I was there the entire time looking at things, helping, helping with the store. I worked the POS system. I've been here from the beginning, obviously, like, saying, yes, I like that, or no, or maybe we should do this, or brainstorming and having lunches about the bagel shop. But I definitely haven't been as hands on as I was with the podcast
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when we were first starting it.
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And so it's just been so amazing to be able to watch him. And I think I could talk about it forever, so I won't keep talking about it. But anyways. Oh, no. Bagels is finally open in Lehigh, Utah. You can come visit. I'm really, really, really sorry if you're listening and you were not able to get a bagel when you came.
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We did sell out before our closing
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time on opening day, and the line was so long. And I know so many of you showed up to get a bagel, even drove from places and weren't able to get one. And I apologize just so much for that. I can assure you Garrett and the employees did all they could. They were rolling bagels for two days beforehand. They made thousands of bagels for opening day, and we limited it to three bagels per order to try to make sure everyone could get a bagel and. And they still sold out. So just keep trying. I know that, like, within a week or two, it will even out and everyone should be able to try a bagel. So anyways, it's been exciting, it's been
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scary, it's been vulnerable.
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It's been so fun to watch Garrett. And that's kind of what I've been doing the last week. We've just been super busy with that all day, every day. But I feel like I'm here and I'm just ready to lock back into true crime. So, that being said, let's hop into today's episode.
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A quick trigger warning. This episode includes discussions of domestic violence, suicide, and sexual assault, including the sexual assault of a minor. So please just listen with care.
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Whenever we hear about a brutal, violent
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crime, it is natural to ask if
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it could have somehow been prevented to say, you know, what if the victim
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had done something a little differently? What if they'd left the party a little earlier or texted a friend to
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ask for a ride instead of taking
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a taxi or walking home alone? Or what if they'd fought a little harder? And this is a very common question. What if victims of domestic violence left their abusers before their lives were in danger?
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Again, we've talked about this before. It is natural to wonder about these things just out of self preservation.
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As humans, we are designed to try to keep ourselves safe.
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It helps us feel safer if we
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can identify some alleged mistake a victim made and resolve to never make that same supposed mistake. It is easy to think that terrible crimes just might never happen to us.
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And that does feel victim blaming. I'm not going the route of victim blaming.
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I'm going the route of human self preservation and observation. Let's be honest. Even if people make reckless choices, they don't deserve to be killed over them.
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And the Sad truth is, sometimes the
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victim does everything right. They don't choose to go into risky situations or maybe do anything unsafe, but still terrible things happen to them.
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And that is like in the case
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of Tracy McBride, who we are covering today. But before I can tell you her story, I do need to introduce two other people. They were an Army Ranger named Lewis Jones, Jr. And his wife, Army Staff Sergeant Sandra Lane. Now, as you can probably tell from the titles, Lewis and Sandra were both enlisted in the Army. And in 1995, they were each stationed at an Air Force base in San Antonio, Texas.
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If you're not a member of the
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military, this might be a little confusing, but it is fairly common for people who belong to one branch to be stationed at a different branch's base. It helps different divisions cooperate with one another. So there were several members of the army on the Air Force base, and that included Lewis and Sandra in 1995. Now, most importantly, they were married to one another, and their relationship at this
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time was not going well.
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See, when Sandra and Lewis had first gotten married, he seemed like a great catch. True, he had been divorced twice before,
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but he was funny, he was sweet,
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he seemed to really care about Sandra. She thought the two of them could definitely make it work. I mean, they both serve the country. Except then Lewis got his deployment orders
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to go to Iraq, and he went
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on life threatening missions, watched his friends
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die around him, killed enemy soldiers, and he survived. In 1991, he came back home, but
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it was kind of like he'd become a different person. Lewis didn't smile or joke around as much anymore. He began drinking a lot, which worried Sandra, and he developed a temper. Sometimes the smallest, most unimportant seeming thing would set him off. He would begin screaming and raving about little issues that shouldn't have mattered that much. And one time he became angry enough that he actually punched his wife, Sandra.
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Now, right away, she recognized that this was a problem.
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But understanding the reason, she encouraged Lewis
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to get help and find a way
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to deal with all of his negativity. He also understood and he took her seriously. He didn't want to be violent or dangerous or for his wife to be terrified of him. So Lewis signed up for an anger management program that was on the base.
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Except not long after he started taking
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classes, the officials decided not to offer them anymore. They canceled the program. And then Lewis had to find support somewhere else. So next he booked a session with a therapist. And again, this was someone who worked on the base who had a lot of experience with veterans.
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But for Whatever reason, therapy just did
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not click for him. Lewis did not seem to be getting any better. Months went by and he became very involved with his church, trying to find something to help. He prayed for God to make him better, to help him deal with his anger. But things didn't improve. Lewis was still losing his temper regularly and he continued hurting Sandra.
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In 1993, he realized he didn't have
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it in him to be an enlisted soldier anymore. He retired and received an honorable discharge. And then he worked in various low paid odd jobs and went to college to try and earn a degree. And all the while he focused on getting better.
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But nothing helped.
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Lewis was still drinking, he was still lashing out, and he was still abusive.
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So finally, by early 1995, Sandra realized
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there was just no way to save her marriage. She couldn't change Lewis or force him to treat her better. So instead, since she didn't think she had any other option, she left him. Sandra moved out, filed for divorce. But By February of 1995, it still wasn't finalized yet. And unfortunately, 44 year old Lewis was
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just not happy with this.
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He was not willing to let Sandra go. He was hurt that she was leaving him and it made him angry to feel so vulnerable. So instead of trying to do better or prove he was willing to make it work, Lewis became even more violent. He wanted to punish Sandra and to make her suffer. So on Thursday, February 16, 1995, Lewis grabbed his gun. He went to the San Antonio base where Sandra was still living because she was still enlisted. And even though Lewis was formally retired, he occasionally picked up part time work with the army. So he still had an active military ID badge, meaning he was able to use it to get through the gate. And then he headed straight to Sandra's home. She was alone when Lewis found her. So he drew his gun, pointed it at her and forced her to get into his car. Once she was inside, he drove Sandra off the base into a nearby bank. Lewis ordered her to go to the ATM and withdraw as much cash as she could. So Sandra took out $800. She gave Lewis the money, hoping this would be enough to satisfy him.
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But instead he pocketed it and then
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drove back to his own home. Now, once she was far away from her friends and neighbors and anyone who might be able to help her, Lewis, who is still legally married to Sandra after she left him, sexually assaulted her. Now this whole ordeal was violating and traumatizing of course, but thankfully, Lewis didn't want to permanently harm Sandra. So once he was done assaulting her, he let her go and she went home to the base. Except then, once she was free, Lewis kind of began having second thoughts. He realized he didn't want to let her go back to living her own life, leaving him. So instead he decided that Sandra needed to suffer even more.
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So he went back to the base
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again on the evening of Saturday, February 18th. It had been two days since his last attack where he let her go. And just like before, he was able to get into the base without trouble using his id. And this is partly because Sandra hadn't reported his assault.
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Now, she hasn't publicly spoken about why she stayed quiet in the days after the initial attack, but I do want to acknowledge this, sadly is common.
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Sometimes survivors of sexual assault feel too traumatized and frightened to come forward.
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It's easier to pretend nothing happened than
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to have to relive the difficult memories with the police. Other times they worry no one will believe them or they'll be blamed. Sometimes they figure there's no point.
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They may not have confidence that law
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enforcement will take the report seriously or that their attacker will ever face consequences, especially on a military base. So they prioritize their own peace and wellness over trying to navigate the criminal justice system.
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And then of course, there's the fact
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that they're still legally married and there probably is still a part of Sandra that has these very complicated, nuanced feelings for Lewis.
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Now, I don't know exactly what was
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going through Sandra's mind on the 16th, but I know that by the 18th,
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she hadn't told anyone what had happened.
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So none of her superior officers knew that Lewis was a threat. He drove right through the front gates, headed straight to Sandra's home. Except she wasn't there. It was a Saturday night and apparently she had plans. Which means Lewis didn't know what to do. All he knew was that he didn't
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want to go home until he got
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this anger out of him. He needed to make someone pay for how Sandra had hurt him by filing for divorce. So he began wandering around the base hoping he might happen to run into her. And at one point, he made his way into a communal laundry area. And that is when he spotted Tracy McBride. Now, let's pause and clearly understand here
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that this goes way beyond his hurt feelings for Sandra. He's clearly clearly not okay now.
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Tracy was talking on the phone with a friend while she waited for a load to finish with washing. Tracy was a 19 year old army private. She was young. She was optimistic. All of her friends knew her as someone who had a bright outlook on Life who felt really good about her future. Of course she did. Tracy was engaged. She was excited about her upcoming wedding. Plus, she had only transferred to the base in San Antonio very recently, just eight days earlier, on February 10th. And she had just celebrated her one year anniversary of enlisting with the army.
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And Tracy also had been accepted into
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a prestigious training program that was focused on intelligence. She was thrilled to take this big next step in her career. Her future was bright. Except as soon as Lewis saw her, he knew he was going to hurt her. See, she did look a little like his estranged wife, Sandra. Both women were white, light brown hair. They were short, slim. And even though Tracy had never met
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Lewis before and she obviously hadn't done
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anything to upset him, none of this mattered. Lewis was angry enough to lash out
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at any woman at this point, especially
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one who reminded him of Sandra. That was on her base.
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Which is why Lewis walks in. He sees young Tracy, who has her whole life ahead of her, and he
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tries to grab and drag her out of the laundry room. Now, of course, she fought back. She tried to defend herself.
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Remember, she was on the phone, so she. She hadn't hung up yet.
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And Tracy's friend could hear the attack on the line, although she couldn't really tell what was going on.
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It just sounded like commotion.
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She listened as Tracy grunted and gasped,
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and she could also make out Lewis's
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voice, although she couldn't understand what the man was saying.
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Still, it was very obvious to her
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that something bad was going on. Clearly, there was some kind of violent confrontation that was audible on this line.
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The friend wasn't in a position to
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help, but there was another army private in the room at the time.
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Yeah, insane was a man named Michael Peacock.
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Now, Michael had never met Lewis or Tracy before.
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So when Lewis walks in and starts
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attacking Tracy, he has no idea what's going on.
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He sees a strange man come into
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the room and try to kidnap a fellow soldier.
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So he knew what to do.
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He ran up and tried to help Tracy fight Lewis off, but Lewis slammed his gun into the side of Michael's
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head and he actually hit him hard
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enough to knock him out.
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So with Michael out of the way,
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he then overpowered Tracy and dragged her out of the building and into his car.
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Now, from there, it was like recent
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history was repeating itself. He drove Tracy to his home off
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the base, just like he had done with Sandra two days earlier. And when they got to Lewis's house, he raped her.
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Except after the assault, Lewis decided to handle Tracy differently from how he had handled his Wife. Instead of letting her go, he tied her up and gagged her with a pair of socks. He then shoved her into the closet and slammed the door.
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It's kind of hard to explain where Lewis was at, what he had planned next.
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But his behavior at this point becomes even stranger, because instead of trying to harm her again, Lewis just began acting like it was a typical Saturday night with this young private locked in his closet. At 10pm he invited a friend over. Her name was Margaret Rodriguez, and when
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she made it to the house, she
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had no idea that any of this had happened. Lewis had cleaned up the bedroom, hidden all of the evidence of his assault.
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Tracy was still tied up in the closet, but she couldn't even make a
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sound while Margaret was over.
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Maybe she was sleeping exhausted.
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Maybe she just genuinely couldn't. She was too afraid. Whatever her reasons, Tracy stayed quiet. And Margaret didn't suspect a thing. Not even when Lewis was making some strange comments that night.
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Among other things, he told Margaret he
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wanted to have sex with her.
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Now, from what I can tell in
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my research, Margaret and Lewis did not have this kind of relationship.
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She apparently didn't like him like that. They were just friends, and the come
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on made her really uncomfortable. So right away, she decided to leave
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and go back home. But before she walked out, she said
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something like, goodbye, Lewis, or I'm leaving, Lewis.
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I'm not sure her exact words, but
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she definitely used Lewis's name.
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And she said it close enough to the bedroom closet that Lewis realized Tracy
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could have heard her. And she now knew Lewis's name. And if she decided to report the attack to the police, she could probably identify him, knowing his first name.
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Which is why it was at this point that Lewis decided he was going to kill Tracy.
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In his mind, it was the only way to ensure that he didn't get arrested and punished for his crime. So first, he began thinking of ways to cover his tracks. He opened the closet door, forced Tracy to get up, and then ordered her to get naked and take a shower.
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His hope was that she would wash away any DNA evidence that could be traced back to him.
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And while she was bathing, Lewis threw her clothes in the laundry machine. And he grabbed every towel he owned and laid them all over the floors of his house. He did this because he knew that sometimes fibers from carpets and rugs could stick to people's feet. And he didn't want Tracy to have anything on her body that could link her back to his house.
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Now, when she got out of the
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shower, he made her stand on the towels while she dressed in her freshly cleaned clothes other than her underwear. Lewis did not give that back to her. And then she followed the line of towels out of the house, down a sidewalk, and back into his car. Lewis forced her inside, and then he drove 20 miles to a remote road in the middle of nowhere. He pulled over close to a bridge,
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and it was at this point that
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he forced Tracy at gunpoint to climb out of the car. And I can only imagine how terrified she must have been at this point. She knows what's coming.
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And to make matters worse, Lewis didn't
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kill her quickly or painlessly. He actually grabbed a tire iron from
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the back of his car and began
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beating her with it. He knocked her down, broke her bones, but still didn't stop. Now, miraculously, Tracy was still alive and conscious after the vicious beating. So Lewis then ordered her to climb under the bridge close to the water. Once she was on the banks, he hit her again, this time in her head. And the blow was hard enough to knock her glasses off her face.
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It sent her barrettes flying out of
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her hair and into the dirt. And Lewis kept striking her skull until she was unrecognizable.
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And then Tracy was finally, obviously dead.
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And Lewis left her under the bridge near the water, calmly drove away, didn't stop until he reached a convenience store. That is where he threw away the gun he had used to kidnap Tracy.
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Again, this was an attempt to stop
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anyone from linking him to the crime.
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He figured that if anyone ever found
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this gun in a random dumpster outside a store, they would have no way of knowing it was his. Problem was, other than Lewis, nobody knew what had happened to Tracy.
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By this point, only one person, Private
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Michael Peacock, even understood that she was in trouble.
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And he, at this point, had been
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found unconscious in the laundry room. After Tracy's abduction, and Michael had a lot of cuts and bruises on his face. The army officials were worried he could have serious head injuries, so they had checked him into a hospital, which was
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a good call because he needed to
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remain there for two days receiving treatment. The investigators didn't take his statement until after they were sure he was okay. So they didn't really ask him anything
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about what had happened. And by the time Michael was finally
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able to explain what happened, he didn't really have much to give police. Again, he didn't know Tracy, or Lewis couldn't tell anyone the attacker's name. He also didn't know where he had taken Tracy.
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After the abduction.
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He tried to describe Lewis's appearance as well as he could. Investigators had an artist draw a sketch based on Michael's statement.
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They then distributed it to the people who worked at security gates with warnings. Do you know him? And if you don't, please don't let
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him onto the base for any reason.
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But none of them recognized him.
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They still don't know who Lewis was. The good news was the army officials realized pretty quickly that a young private was missing.
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I mean, she.
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Tracy wasn't attending her training sessions. She never came home after her laundry was done.
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So they realized right away that Tracy
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was most likely the woman who had been kidnapped in front of Michael. Search teams scoured the base and the area around it, hoping to find her. But none of them came across any definitive evidence. And as the month came to a close, the case was on its way to going cold. All they knew was Tracy had been kidnapped from the laundry room. But then, on March 1, a break came from an unexpected place. That was when Sandra went to the police. It had been nearly two weeks since Tracy's murder, but she had no idea Lewis had done this to Tracy. Instead, Sandra was at the station reporting him for sexually assaulting her in mid February. And unlike Tracy and Michael, Sandra knew who Lewis was. She gave the police his full name, his address, all the information they needed to find him. And right away, military investigators go to arrest Lewis for Sandra's sexual assault. They brought him back to the station to question him about it. And during the interrogation, he lets it slip.
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He said, oh, I also killed this girl Tracy.
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And he goes into detail about how he done it, except he wasn't entirely honest about everything. For example, he admitted to having sex with Tracy, but he said it was consensual. Lewis also said he was overwhelmed with regret. After he had committed this murder, he
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hadn't felt bad enough to turn himself in.
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Clearly, he didn't try to bring justice to Tracy until he had already been caught.
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But he did just openly tell police what had happened.
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And according to his statement, he had been thinking about self harm ever since he had committed the crime.
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And on February 20, two days after
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the murder, he even decided to kill himself. He wanted to use the same gun he had used to kidnap Tracy.
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And this is what he's telling police. He says he drove back to the
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convenience store where he'd thrown it away.
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Except once he arrived, he saw the
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trash cans had been emptied. In other words, Lewis said the only reason he was still alive was because he couldn't find the murder weapon.
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This also meant he couldn't give the
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police the gun, and they couldn't use
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it as evidence against him. However, Lewis did tell the investigators exactly where to find Tracy's body.
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He joined a search team while they went to the bridge he described, and they did find her remains.
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So they knew now that Tracy was
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dead and her autopsy clearly showed she
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hadn't had consensual sex.
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There was too much trauma and damage. It was clear she'd been raped, but aside from that, her body perfectly matched everything else from Lewis's statement. Which interesting that he was totally okay admitting to this brutal murder, but couldn't admit that he had had to force a woman to have sex with him.
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aggravated kidnapping and murder. The prosecutors dropped the counts related to Sandra's sexual assault because they wanted to focus on this more serious crime.
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And although this seems unfair, it actually
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ended up being a smart call because Lewis put together a very intense argument when he went to trial. On the stand, he argued he was not guilty because of his mental health. So despite willingly confessing a crime police
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hadn't even linked to him yet, he pleads not guilty because of mental health.
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And you'll remember how before I mentioned that, Lewis changed a lot during the tour of duty in Iraq. He claims now he was suffering ptsd. It stemmed from the horrible things he had seen and done during the war.
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But also, Lewis testified he had been sexually abused as a child and he'd grown up in a physically abusive household
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and had brain damage from being hit in the head when he was young.
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According to Lewis, this had all made
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him severely mentally ill.
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So much so that he claims he
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wasn't even in control of himself at the time of the murder.
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He testified that he now remembered raping
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and killing Tracy, but it felt to him like someone else had done it,
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like he was dissociated, he was not
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in control of his body.
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So he didn't feel like he should
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be found guilty for his own actions because he hadn't been able to stop himself from committing this horrible crime. Lewis also found doctors who were willing to testify on his behalf. They said they had performed scans of his head and their medical tests showed damage and trauma from his time in Iraq. Lewis's lawyer also noted that he had never been in any serious legal trouble
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before his attacks on Sandra and Tracy.
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Prior to his service, he had never been arrested.
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So they all testify.
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Clearly something changed and jurors needed to find him not guilty for that reason.
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However, the prosecutors had their own doctors and these doctors testify to we agree
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Lewis is suffering from brain damage. They didn't argue against that part. The brain is nuanced. Mental health is nuanced.
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But they said the damage wasn't as
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severe as Lewis was making it sound. He still should have known right from wrong, and he was ultimately responsible for his own behavior. In fact, it was clear to the prosecutors that Lewis understood he was doing something wrong when he killed Tracy because he Went to great lengths to hide the evidence, forcing her to shower while he washed her clothes, making her walk on towels. That feels very premeditated. Not to mention he disposed of the murder weapon afterward. Those were the actions of someone who knew what he was doing. They were signs that he was thinking rationally enough that he was thinking through the consequences. So even though he might have brain
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damage and have trauma and, you know,
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clearly was unwell, he could still be held accountable for his actions. Plus, even though Lewis didn't have a criminal record, the prosecutors put forth that he did have a history of violence, one that went back to before his deployment to Iraq, which was his main excuse for becoming violent. There were four separate occasions when he got into fist fights or beat up other soldiers, and those all happened before he was deployed overseas.
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So the prosecutors said this violence in
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him isn't about brain damage or ptsd. They claim Lewis was a killer because he was a violent man. And that was all. So ultimately, the trial came down to one question. Was Louis mentally well enough to be held responsible for his crimes? And this is a very tricky question.
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I know I've said it before, but I always feel like I need to reiterate.
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Most of the time, there are reasons, like valid reasons for people's bad behavior, but it doesn't excuse it. There can be reasons without excuses.
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This can, you know, be from murder
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all the way down to snapping at your children.
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Like, there are always things happen in
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our past or our present that can lead to certain behavior. But at the end of the day, we're adults who are responsible for that behavior. Now, after hearing all of the testimony, the jury found him guilty of murder. They sentenced him to death, plus four years and nine months for the kidnapping. Now, as soon as Lewis knew he was supposed to be executed, he began filing appeals. For years afterward, he begged President George W. Bush to pardon him. He also argued that the judge or jurors had made mistakes during his trial. The sentence should be overturned. And then he really stepped up his efforts in the year 2000. That was when he received an official notice in the mail from the army.
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It said that while he'd been serving
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in Iraq, he had been exposed to a toxin known as nerve gas. Apparently, nobody had known at the time that his troop was in danger. But now many experts agreed that Lewis and the people he had served with had been inhaling dangerous poisons on the battlefield. Now, nerve gas can cause brain damage. So Lewis just kept making the same kinds of arguments he had during his trial. He said he wasn't to blame for the murder. He was as much a victim as Tracy. Someone who just was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Apparently. Now, thanks to his bad luck, he had been exposed to chemicals that had changed his personality. He claimed that they had turned him into a bitter, angry, violent person. Except the long term effects of nerve gas exposure weren't well understood. Some experts agreed with Lewis's arguments, but others insisted he was just making excuses to try and avoid paying the price for his crimes.
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And this included Tracy's family.
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I mean, imagine they didn't have any sympathy for Lewis.
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And they noted that plenty of veterans
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come back from war and don't murder anyone. So they didn't buy any of his arguments. And none of his appeals were successful. And on March 18, 2003, Lewis died via lethal injection. And when he had the chance to share his last words, he didn't apologize or address Tracy's family at all, which I think is really telling. He simply prayed for himself and quoted from the Bible. Then he looked at his relatives who were observing his execution, and he mouthed I love you before he finally passed again. Guilt is typically a sign that you're aware of the damage you've done, even if there are reasons. So this just doesn't feel very authentic to me.
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I would think in your last moments,
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even if you felt like there were
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a million reasons and excuses for why you did what you did, you would
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still feel guilty enough to apologize now. Afterward, Tracy's family members said they were glad that Lewis was dead. He had taken their daughter and sister from them, and the brutality of her murder left them all shaken.
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I mean, this is not even fathomable. For years after Tracy's death, her father
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kept having the same recurring nightmare. In it, he found Tracy under the bridge, beaten badly and dying, but not dead. Yet he desperately tried to save her and hold her wounds closed. But nothing he did in this nightmare was enough. And in his dreams, she died in his arms night after night. It's no wonder he and his other relatives were so angry at Lewis.
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But I can only imagine how his
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ex wife Sandra felt when he died. Maybe she was sad because she remembered the good times they once had. Perhaps she was relieved that he wouldn't be able to hurt her or anyone else.
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I have to imagine that day was probably pretty hard.
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Her feelings were mixed because it's hard to cope when something traumatic happens to you and those emotions can be confusing and overwhelming. It's natural to feel frightened, proud of yourself for surviving it, and then maybe even guilty for what had happened to Tracy. Not that anyone should ever feel guilty for being a victim. Nobody deserves to be assaulted, raped or murdered, Even if they make bad choices, which Tracy clearly didn't.
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Even if it seems like the crime could have been avoided.
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It's so clear in this case, Sandra didn't do anything wrong. She just tried to leave her abuser and he lashed out by kidnapping and assaulting her.
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And then on top of that, Tracy
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was only talking on the phone while she was taking care of her laundry. There's nothing she realistically could have done differently because there's nothing wrong with washing your clothes or calling your friend. Neither of them deserved to be hurt, and neither of them did anything risky or dangerous. But violent crime can be random and unfair. And some people suffer and lose their lives just because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. And that's the story of Tracy McBride. Again, I can safely acknowledge the trauma veterans have been through. I can safely acknowledge the nuance of serving in the military and the effects that can have on someone's mental health, someone's mind, someone's physical well being, while also acknowledging that unless you are determined to be mentally incompetent, you are responsible for your decisions.
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And most of the time, if you
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know what you're doing is wrong.
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I think even the fact that Lewis
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admitted to police in his initial confession he felt guilty, guilty enough to try
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to take his own life. That enough says you are competent and
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understand what you're doing. That enough is human adult emotion. Again, there are reasons.
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Usually in every circumstance, there is a pretty valid reason. Even if it's not valid to the outside, there's a valid reason somewhere in someone's trauma history, past mind habits, for why they do what they do.
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Like you can usually dig down in therapy and find why people do what they do.
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It doesn't make it okay. Again, there can be a thousand and
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one reasons to lose your patience with your kid or respond to your spouse in a certain way, or even theft
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thinking that theft is an option.
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Or even having the urge to theft or steal something, or even the route to developing an addiction. There are usually reasons for this behavior, but it doesn't take away the fact that you are responsible for for it. Because at the end of the day, unless you are completely 100 mentally incompetent, you are an adult who knows right from wrong and you have to pay the consequences of your actions. Even if your life was completely different than someone else who might be judging you. I did not have Lewis's life but I can safely say from this seat that despite the nuance in this case, Louis knew what he was doing and should have been held responsible and was held responsible for his crimes.
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I can have sympathy for the fact
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that those who serve in the military and veterans go through extremely traumatic things that do change them. I'm sure. I'm sure they do change and rewire
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them while also understanding that that is
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not an excuse to murder people.
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True crime is nuanced, especially when you try to get into it. But let me know your thoughts on this episode. This was a really tough one for me.
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I think just the reality of Tracy's
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situation and Sandra's situation, but the fact that Tracy's family have to deal with
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this, this completely just disgusting behavior from someone who took away their loved one.
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It's hard to fathom.
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Like I my heart breaks for Tracy and her family and Tracy's life was taken from her in a completely brutal and long lasting way.
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This was not quick.
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This did not have grace. This was brutal, violent and disgusting.
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So take a second, you know, today
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to just think about Tracy McBride and Sandra and everyone who was affected by this and then let me know your
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thoughts on this case and I will
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see you next time as we go further into the dark together. Goodbye.
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Host: Payton Moreland
Date: April 29, 2026
This week, Payton Moreland takes listeners into the harrowing true crime case of Tracie McBride, a young Army private violently abducted and murdered in 1995. The episode explores the chilling circumstances of Tracie’s death, the perpetrator Lewis Jones Jr.'s background—including his struggles with PTSD and history of violence—and the painful aftermath for the victims and their loved ones. Payton thoughtfully examines themes of victim blaming, the impact of trauma and military service, and personal accountability, all while maintaining respect for those affected.
On victim blaming/self-protection:
On trauma and responsibility:
On the brutality of Tracie’s death:
On Lewis’s lack of remorse:
On the emotional impact on Tracie’s family:
Payton delivers the episode in a deeply empathetic, reflective, and unflinchingly honest tone. She gives great care to the emotional complexity surrounding victim trauma, military service, and the aftermath of violence. Listeners are encouraged to consider both the real-world consequences of crime and the persistent myths around responsibility and prevention. The brutal truth: sometimes, people suffer solely because of another’s violence—and we must hold those responsible, regardless of their past trauma.
“There can be reasons without excuses... unless you are completely 100% mentally incompetent, you are an adult who knows right from wrong and you have to pay the consequences of your actions.” (43:54)
For further discussion or to share your thoughts on this case, Payton invites listeners to reach out as she promises to continually explore the darkest corners of true crime.