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Shop Top brand appliances now at the Home Depot offer valid June 17th July at the US only C store Online for you're listening to an Ono Media Podcast. Hey everyone and welcome back to the into the Dark podcast. I'm your host Peyton Moreland. I'm so glad you are here watching or listening to today's episode. Redirecting to my 10 seconds today, I had a couple questions about the burn I got at the bagel shop. So let me clarify. I was not actually back in the kitchen or where they make the bagels. I was working front of house. But the whole premise of Garrett's Bagel Shop is that you're getting bagels fresh out of the oven, not toasted. And so they literally pull them out of the oven, put them on a pan and then we serve them. So it's just like nice warm bagels, bread. And so that day normally we'll like unload them into a basket, wrap them and serve them. Well that day for some reason they weren't in the basket yet. I think we were just a little bit behind and so someone had pulled the like rack cart just has a bunch of racks. Someone had pulled the rack cart, rack cart up to the front of the house so that while we were packing we could just like grab a bagel directly off the hot pan and put it in, wrap it and put it in and give it to the customer. And so normally that hot rack is in the back like where they make the bagels. So normally I'm not even going near that because normally someone comes up with gloves and dumps it and so yeah, that's why I burned myself. Obviously. If I had been working in the back near the ovens and stuff, I probably would have had gloves and just been like, you know, dressed a little differently. But anyways, yeah, I was just literally my job that day was just wrapping bagels actually. But yeah, that is how I ended up near the hot rack. And I'm gonna upload some pictures soon of my burn. It's pretty freaking bad. I, the first day I like wrapped it in stuff I Googled, like how to wrap it appropriately for a burn and whatever and, and I bought the stuff that it told me to buy and then when I wrapped it and I took it off the next day, it pulled half of the blister off. So tell me why Google's number one recommendation stuck to my blister. Yeah, so when that blister pulled off and it was just an open wound, set me back a couple days because now I have to like re get a scab and whatnot. And now I'm like even more worried about a scar because it's pretty big burn, it's like couple inches. And so I've just been trying my best to take care of it like following what Google and Reddit and everything is telling me to do. I am not using the bandaging that Google says to use. People were saying to actually just use some like jelly pads and stuff at first because you can risk tearing the wound back open which like sucked so bad, honestly, so bad. And then the other day I got out of the shower and I pat dried my wound and the scab had come off. Tell me how I'm supposed to shower. I think I'm supposed to be covering it because now I have to restart and rebuild a new scab and then obviously more room for scars. So this burn has become quite a topic, quite main character energy in my life recently and I don't want it to be. I don't want it to be. It's starting to discourage me a little bit and it's such like a minuscule thing in the grand scheme of things. There are so many worse things going on. But you know, it's my body and when you boil it down to just being a person and like your own individual self, I'm like, I don't want my tummy to be hurt. I don't want my tummy to be hurt. I want my skin to be good. I want to take care of my skin. And so yeah, it's really starting to take up some, some room in My brain, which I'm not happy about. So I've been working on just being like, it is what it is, it's okay. But I also think this is like, part of some of my, you know, as a child, I struggled really bad with, like, perfection. And I still see some of those tendencies, like, honestly, a little bit of OCD tendencies coming in when it comes to behavior. Not cleanliness, but just like obsessive compulsive behavior. And I feel like this is kind of coming out with this burn on my stomach. So I've been trying to just, you know, take breaths and really. Anyways, no one wants to hear about my burn this long. As you can tell, it's clearly in my brain. No one wants to hear about my burn this long. Let's get into today's episode. True stories about supernatural phenomena are very cool. Many of us are fascinated by accounts of esp, mind reading. People who predict the future. And the problem is these events can be hard to prove. Very often, someone will experience something strange, but it'll be dark. There won't be any other witnesses around those. There's no hard evidence to back up their claims. All of a sudden, none of us are carrying phones with cameras. And even if someone comes up with a picture or a video of a ghost or a UFO or Bigfoot, people are like, no, it's photoshopped or nowadays AI generated, or it's just like, so grainy you can't even tell. Needless to say, although the idea of this is fascinating, it's easy for skeptics to poke holes in accounts that involve the occult and to say the supernatural doesn't exist. But today's episode is different because I'm actually covering a case that is very well documented. A doctor actually researched this supernatural incident, then published his findings in a real scientific journal. And everyone who saw his paper agreed that this story is legitimate, it actually happened and it cannot be explained away easily. It is not up for debate. This is a real thing. Now, this story is about a woman whose identity hasn't been made public, but most people call her Patient Ab. But I think this episode will be easier to follow if we give Patient Ab a name. So I'm going to refer to her as Nicole. Now, this woman, patient AB. Nicole was born at some point in the mid-1940s. She grew up in Switzerland, but in the late 60s, she moved to the UK. By this time, she was roughly 20 to 25 years old. And Nicole had a pretty typical life from there. She got married, she had kids, and by the time the 80s rolled around, Nicole was in her early 40s. She had a good life. It was the 80s. She liked being a mom, and everyone in her family was in good health. She'd never had to deal with any major difficulties or challenges. But that all changed one day in 1984. And again, this is a true story. Nicole was at home reading a book, and suddenly she heard a voice in her head. Said, quote, please don't be afraid. I know it must be shocking for you to hear me speaking to you like this, but this is the easiest way I could think of. My friend and I used to work at the children's hospital, and we would like to help you. This is happening in her head. The voice also told her the specific street that the children's hospital was on, so Nicole would know which facility this voice was talking about. Now, understandably, Nicole immediately freaks out when she hears this voice in her head. She thinks she's going crazy. She'd never hallucinated before. It was jarring for her to suddenly hear voices talking to her. But then the same voice spoke up again. It was like it was infiltrating her brain. And they told Nicole they could prove they were real and she wasn't imagining this. They asked her to look out the window at the street in front of her house. Then they said a car was about to drive by, and they specified its color, its make and model. And sure enough, as soon as the voice was done speaking, Nicole saw a car that fit that exact description coming down the street. Meaning the voice in her head had predicted the future. Or at the very least, it knew about things that were happening outside of Nicole's home, which she couldn't have done herself. Now, this was all really weird, but Nicole couldn't accept that she was physically communicating with some other entity. I think a lot of us would have a hard time if this strange experience happened to us. She was like, that's too out there. She tries to come up with a rational explanation of what this voice is. She told herself, okay, I must be having a mental health issue. In fairness, she had never had a history of hallucinations or any similar problems of hearing voices. Her symptoms had come completely out of nowhere. But as we know, we often say, oh, they're hearing voices in their head. So this seemed like a solid explanation to her. Alternatively, maybe something was physically wrong with her brain that was making her hallucinate, like she had an infection or a tumor or some kind of damage. 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So she drove to a different hospital, and as soon as she checked in, the doctors gave her a full examination. Because this is. This is pretty concerning. It was led by a man named Dr. Ichikikwu Aswanye. Now he was a psychiatrist. He specialized in serious mental health conditions. So when Nicole came into the clinic and was like, hey, I'm hearing voices, this doctor wanted to get to the bottom of things. He knew it was especially concerning that these symptoms had just appeared out of nowhere. So he needed to consider every possibility. Like that Nicole was sick with some kind of infection, or she had hit her head at some point, or she had just simply developed a mental health condition. So he ordered all kinds of scans and exams, but no matter how many tests he and other doctors ran, they couldn't find anything physically wrong with Nicole. She seemed completely healthy other than the fact that she was now hearing voices. So finally this doctor decides, okay, we've ruled out everything physical. This has to be mental. He's still not exactly sure what's causing the hallucinations, like which mental illness. But he gave Nicole a prescription that would help with a bunch of different conditions that can make people hear voices. He told her, listen, try the medicine out, and Nicole said she would. So a few weeks went by. She takes her pills every day. And remember she's not having any other symptoms other than hearing voices. So eventually, she calls the doctor back, and she's like, hey, I think it worked. I haven't heard the voice since that first day. And since she seemed fine, Nicole decided, I'm just gonna go back to living my life like normal. Like, I don't know what that was, but it's over with. And it just so happened that she had a family vacation planned for a few weeks later. And since she was confident that she'd recovered, Nicole, her husband, and her kids went out of the country expecting to have lots of fun and maybe relax, except when she leaves the country. That's when the voice came back. But now this voice was creating new problems for her because they. The voice wasn't only telling her to go to this children's hospital or predicting the color of the cars that were going to drive down the road. They started lying to her. Now, Nicole has never gone public about what exactly the voices or voice was saying. All we can say for sure is that sometimes, maybe all of the time, the voice was telling her things that weren't true. So Nicole begins to doubt these voices even more in her head, because now it's like they're not in reality. Like, I'm not even sure I can trust them. So she began behaving very erratically and strangely, obviously, I think any of us would start to go a little crazy. This obviously makes her family incredibly worried. They believed Nicole was now having a serious mental health problem, but they weren't sure how to get her the help she needed. Now, the good news was that Nicole did. Didn't need her family to help her because she was able to help herself. Or more accurately, she starts to say that her voice helped her. Because as soon as everyone came home from their vacation, the voice told Nicole something new. They gave her a particular address and said, you need to go drive by this. Now, Nicole didn't recognize the address. She didn't know where it was. But at this point, she's become so acquainted with this voice in her head, they're starting to mesh like reality starting to blur. So she does drive. She follows the voice's advice, except she asks her husband to drive, because she doesn't know if she can even drive safely behind the wheel of a car at this point. So they both headed to the place the voice had told them about. And when Nicole and her husband arrived, they were at a Hospital, specifically a building where doctors were doing high tech scans involving computers. Now, as a reminder, this is the 1980s, so anything including computers was considered very cutting edge, very modern. So Nicole goes into the hospital, marches right up to the check in desk, and she's like, listen, these doctors need to give me a brain scan. And they need to look for two things in particular. A tumor, inflammation from an infection in her brain stem, something. Keep in mind, Nicole wasn't a doctor. She didn't have any medical training. There was no way she could have known if she had a tumor or inflammation. She admitted she was actually just repeating to the front desk the things the voice in her head had told her. She's just fully following it at this point. But apparently as soon as she had arrived at the facility, they had given her these exact instructions. She's supposed to ask for a scan for a tumor and brain stem inflammation. And the voice says, don't leave until you get them. Now, this is feeling very. Just cut and dry. Crazy, right? Well, the doctors looked at Nicole's records and saw her appointment with the other doctor just a month or two before. So they call him and they're like, hey, we've got this crazy lady here. She's demanding this. What should we do? Except her old doctor isn't sure how to answer because he's like, I already examined her brain. She seemed perfectly healthy. They was no medical reason to give her an intense state of the art brain scan. But he also suspected if you don't ref. Like, if you refuse to do this scan, she's not going to back down. At this point, her behavior suggested she wasn't willing to let this go. So the doctor's like, if you can, you might as well do the tests. They'd probably come back and show nothing was wrong with her. And maybe once she saw her results, she. In black and white, she would realize she was being irrational and agree to seek some mental health treatment instead. So they schedule multiple tests which took place over the course of several months, actually. And the doctor had to fight hard to make sure that these exams happened because all of the other doctors at the hospital were not really on board. They were accusing her original doctor of wasting their time. They hated that Nicole had access to the scanning machines when other patients who were seriously sick were waiting for the appointments. Like, why all of a sudden does this lady get to come in and get them? And lots of people told her original doctor it was irresponsible to book these scans when he didn't even believe she was Physically sick, Especially if he was doing it just because the voice in Nicole's head was telling her, too. And on some level, he agrees with the criticism. He's like, listen, I'm not expecting anything to show up. And I know I probably am just allowing someone's mental health to rule their world. But he says, I still think that we need to do this. However, when they got the results, he and some other specialists look at them, which is when they saw Nicole actually did have a brain tumor. Luckily, it wasn't cancer or anything life threatening. In fact, a lot of the time, this particular kind of tumor wasn't dangerous at all. But this one had gotten big enough that it was definitely putting pressure on Nicole's brain, and it had caused her brain stem to get inflamed. Now they're a little bit relieved because they're like, this explains the weird behavior. But also like, how did Nicole know this? How did she come in and tell us exactly what to look for and what would be happening? And here's where things get really interesting. Because tumors like this don't usually have any symptoms. Like, like I said, most of the time, people just live long, healthy, happy lives, Never realize they even have this tumor. So that's one of the reasons why they hadn't spotted it earlier. Because it didn't show up in tests or cause any physical issues for Nicole, There was no reason to even check for it. I mean, frankly, if Nicole hadn't shown up at the imaging clinic and demanded a brain scan, the doctors probably would have never even found this point was this kind of tumor wasn't usually a big problem. But in her case, it's causing inflammation in Nicole's brain stem. And her original doctor thought it was possible that this could be hurting Nicole definitely in the long term. So when they get. They do these tests and they report back, they decide she might benefit from an operation and recommended that she book the first appointment that was available. However, he also explained, if this isn't comfortable for you, you can wait. There was always a chance that the tumor would just stop growing. She'd never have any super serious issues with it. Ultimately, it was her call whether she wanted to get a risky surgery or if she wanted to wait and see what would happen next. I mean, brain surgery in the 80s feels a little scary, but she decides she's going to get the operation. She's like, I don't even really have to make this decision because the voices are telling me to. That's what she tells to the doctor. She's Like, I just. I got to listen to everything, everything the voices say because they've been right. The voice was like, follow the doctor. You should get this growth removed. So Nicole booked the surgery. Her doctors removed the tumor. The whole procedure was a success. And as soon as the drugs wore off and Nicole was able to wake up, she heard the voice again. And this time, the message was different. Instead of urging her to go to her doctors and ask for help, they simply said, we are pleased to have helped you. Goodbye. And then she had this overwhelming feeling that the voices were gone, that they were no longer with her and they had moved on to someone else. Sure enough, Nicole had a complete recovery. No complications or new symptoms. She never heard the voice again after that. She was right. That feeling was right. They were done with her, and she went back to living an ordinary life. Okay, that's the story. But for decades afterward, Nicole insisted that she knew what the voice was and why they spoke to her on those days. So good. So good. So good. New summer arrivals are at Nordstrom Rack stores. Now. Get ready to save big with up to 60% off brands like Rag and Bone, Levi's, Adidas and free people. Join the NordicLub to unlock exclusive discounts. Shop new arrivals first and more. Plus, buy online and pick up at your favorite rack store for free. Great brands, great prices. 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Nicole said only a guardian angel could have known what was wrong with her and told her exactly what to say. Or even predicted what kind of car was going to drive down her street or know that she would make a full recovery if she did the operation. So this Is what becomes the most logical explanation. In her mind, this is what she begins telling people. Like, I have had this crazy spiritual experience that saved my life. There's just one detail about this story that doesn't fit the guardian angel theory, and it was that the first time the voice contacted Nicole, they said, my friend and I work at the children's hospital. We would like to help you. It's hard to imagine an angel or any other kind of spirit working in a hospital. It's also very unusual that the voice referred to a friend, which is why some people are like, there's no way that was a guardian angel. Instead, a theory comes forward that she might have been communicating with an ordinary human being, Someone who was a doctor or a nurse. And presumably, they somehow knew what was wrong with Nicole. Maybe they had ability to read other people's minds or share their thoughts with them. So they reached out to Nicole through her mind, gave her the information she needed to get a diagnosis. Now, I know that sounds out there. It sounds more plausible that it was a guardian angel. But also, if you think about it, a guardian angel versus a human being reading minds, those are equal level. Huh? I'll admit there isn't a whole lot of evidence to back this theory up. It does require a lot of leaps that a doctor with mind reading abilities exists, that they somehow knew about Nicole's tumor before everyone else, and they were able to communicate with her. That's a lot. But still, some people believe in this explanation because it's hard to explain what happened to Nicole otherwise. However, there is a larger group of people that think they have an alternate explanation, and that is that this entire story is an elaborate hoax. And this explanation is a little complicated, so bear with me. You'll remember how earlier I mentioned that Nicole was born and raised in Switzerland, and then supposedly she moved to the UK before she ever heard the voice. It was, the theory goes, Nicole may have known about the tumor back in Switzerland before she immigrated to the new country. Maybe she had been diagnosed in Switzerland, and then she decided she didn't like her options in her home country. Swiss hospitals can be expensive. Maybe she didn't trust her doctors or think the facilities were good enough there. So as this theory goes, she hides her medical history. She moves to the UK which had very good medical programs, and comes up with an elaborate story about hearing voices in her head so she could pretend she was getting a new diagnosis. She. She would get treatment. If it was out there enough, maybe the government would pay for it. And that is kind of what happened? Lots of people have accused Nicole of being a con artist who ended up scamming her doctors to get what she wanted. But there are some huge problems with this theory. First of all, Nicole moved to the UK 14 years before all of this happened. That'd be a very long time to live with a tumor and be okay with it. Plus, she didn't need to lie or fake that she was hearing things. By the time she went to her first doctor for treatment, she was a citizen. She was already entitled to publicly funded medical care in the uk and lies and scams weren't necessary. Her original doctor always maintained that Nicole had no reason to lie. There was no evidence anyone was scammed. Except it's possible he said that because maybe he was in on it too. We only know about this case and the kind of, the. The large publicity around it because of the findings published in a medical journal by the doctor. He's the person who brought it to the public in the first place, who speaks about it in interviews and on social media. To this day, Nicole has never publicly discussed what happened to her. And neither have any of her other doctors, friends, or family members. Some people have said this doctor might have made the whole case up. Maybe Nicole never even existed. Maybe he just wanted to be famous. I don't know. It's hard to debunk this, but it's worth keeping in mind this was published in a scientific journal. These kinds of publications are traditionally very picky about what they will include. They usually have a huge team of fact checkers double checking every single claim, making sure every article is accurate. I mean, it's not like it's just YouTube or social media. Some people make mistakes, things slip through. But it's incredibly difficult to get published without solid evidence. And this was especially true in the 90s when the story was shared for the first time. So we could imagine that Nicole's brain scans, medical records, test results were probably included. Obviously they're not going to be published because they're private, but it's evidence to back up this paper. And I also want to note that, like when this article was originally written, the doctor said he was a skeptic. He literally met Nicole, learned about the voices she'd been talking to, and helped diagnose her tumor. But according to his publication, he still thought her experience could all be explained away through science. And it all came back to the tumor in Nicole's brain. Like I mentioned before, this kind of growth doesn't usually have any symptoms, except on very rare occasions, these tumors can sometimes cause hallucinations. He says it's possible the tumor itself was causing her to hear voices or see things that weren't there. So maybe she was just hallucinating and got lucky with guessing what was actually going on. And so in his publications that's what he claims, that there's a scientific explanation for all of this. Now, history is full of stories like this where someone doesn't believe in the supernatural. Maybe something forces them to change their mind. And while it can be hard to have faith in claims with no proof, there's a ton of evidence in Nicole's story. It wouldn't have been published in that journal otherwise. So it's okay to be skeptical and have doubts, especially because miracles are rare. Otherwise we wouldn't call them miracles. Magic guardian angels, higher powers wouldn't be so strange and mysterious if we saw evidence of them every day. But in cases like this, sometimes seeing is believing. It's okay to let your guard down, allow yourself to have a little bit of faith. So please let me know in the comments what you believe. Is there a scientific explanation for how a tumor diagnosed itself? Do you believe in guardian angels? Do you believe it was God? Do you believe in intuition? Do you believe there was something even more tinfoil tale going on here? Please let me know. But that is the mysterious case of a woman who was able to self diagnose a tumor via voices in her head. Thank you so much for listening or watching and I will see you next time as we go further into the dark together. Goodbye. You're listening to this podcast, so I know you've got a curious mind. Here's a helpful fact you may not know yet. Drivers who switch and save with Progressive save over $900 on average. Pop over to progressive.com, answer some questions and you'll get a quick quote with discounts that are easy to come by. In fact, 99% of their auto customers earn at least one discount. Visit progressive.com and see if you can enjoy a little cash back. Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates national average 12 month savings of $946 by new customers surveyed who saved with Progressive between June 2024 and May 2025. Potential savings will vary.