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You're listening to an Ono Media Podcast. Hey everyone, and welcome back to the into the Dark Podcast. I'm your host, Kate Moreland. I'm so happy you are here watching or listening to today's episode. How are we all doing? How are we feeling? I've definitely been a little overwhelmed at times this week, but just been trying to, you know, keep my mind positive. I did end up going to the hospital one night because I was in a lot of pain, but everything looked okay and the pain ended up kind of easing. So I guess I was just having some like mini contractions or something. But I also had my baby shower so that was very fun and girl. But yeah, other than that, just kind of been hanging out. I got to record an ad after this. Just the us. Just the usual, you know. But yeah, just been doing a lot of breath work, taking deep breaths. If you haven't tried it, you should try it. It's amazing what just a little bit of breathing can do. It's like one of my favorite life hacks. But anyways, I think that's all I got for my 10 seconds. So let's get into the episode now. Trigger Warning this episode includes discussions of alcohol abuse, so please listen with care. When murders happen, there are typically certain places where the police always look for evidence. They will pull the victim's phone and digital records and to see what they've been up to, who they've been talking to, where they've been. If there are any security cameras near the crime scene, they will watch all of the footage. The coroner's reports and witness statements can provide key clues about how the victim died and what tools the killer may have used. Sometimes the most important pieces of evidence actually turn up where you would never expect them to, which is exactly what happened in today's case. Now, I'm telling the story of Morris and Ruth Goger. They were an elderly couple who lived in a rural part of Illinois called McHenry County. Now this older couple's farm was northwest of Chicago and their 74 year old Morris and 70 year old Ruth kind of worked a lot of odd jobs. Even at their age, they weren't retired. They, they grew organic vegetables, they repaired motorcycles, they sold antique rugs, both of which were on the farm where they lived. That way they could just wake up in the morning, get right to work, didn't need to commute. That's just the sort of people they were. They liked to be busy and when they weren't working, they were running errands around town or helping their 41 year old son Gary. See in 1993, Gary had fallen on hard times. He was recently divorced. He needed a place to live. So his parents, Morrison Ruth let him move in with them and help out on the farm. That way he would have a safe, stable place to stay while he tried to put his life back together. But on Friday, April 9, at 9am, Gary woke up and he didn't find his parents in the house, which was unusual. Typically by that time, 9am they had already handled their morning chores on the farm. They had opened the motorcycle repair shop and rug store. Except Gary walks out and he can see a closed padlock on the rug store door, meaning it actually wasn't open yet. And the door to the motorcycle repair shop was also closed and locked. It wasn't like them to just not be there in the morning. But you know, Gary doesn't go looking for them, he just goes out to the fields to take care of the vegetables. And then two hours later at 11am, a customer came to the house. It was an old friend of his dad Morris's who did business with him regularly. His name was Ed Zehnder and Ed's girlfriend was with him. He was just there to buy a small part for his motorcycle. But Gary tells him, sorry, I don't actually know where my parents are. Since the shop belonged to his dad, not him, Gary didn't feel comfortable like checking Ed out. But Ed's like, no, I really just need the part, can you just get it? I will give you the money and I'll leave. So Gary's like, sure, I'll open the store door, get the part for you and just tell my dad later. So he unlocked the shop door and he went inside. And then he let Ed and the girlfriend to the area where this particular item was usually stored. But apparently his dad, Morris, was all out of this part. Gary's like, maybe there's more in the back. We just need to go to another part of the store. So Gary then leads Ed and the girlfriend further and further inside the motorcycle shop. Finally, they're in a private area. This is like the general public doesn't go here. And when Gary turns on the lights, he immediately understood why he hadn't seen his father all morning. Morris was lying face down on the ground in the back part of this motorcycle shop in a pool of his own blood. Now, right away, his son Gary calls 91 1, but he tells him he doesn't need an ambulance because his father is already dead. Now, to be clear, at this point, Gary hadn't checked for a pulse, but he thought it was obvious from the way his father looked right away. The police rushed to Morris's farm to investigate, and Gary told them he didn't understand how his father had died. Did he fall? Did he have a medical emergency? But the officers immediately tell that Morris has been stabbed. There were deep slash marks on his neck and face. So this was a murder investigation. And while they were examining the body and gathering evidence, Gary, Ed, and the girlfriend are just kind of sticking around, giving statements. I mean, this is Gary's parents. This is very traumatizing. And he also gives them consent to search the farmhouse. Now, while teams were going through each room, Gary begins making a bunch of phone calls. Remember, he's in his 40s, so he tries calling his brother to let him know he just found his father, who was dead, which made sense, obviously, except the brother didn't pick up. So then Gary called a bunch of their mutual friends and was like, hey, you seen my brother? Tell him to get back to me. Gary also talked to a few family friends about what had happened. And this included a man who he called Wendy, although it's unclear what his actual name was. But when Gary gets off the phone call with Wendy, he turns to an officer and he says, I just talked to a family friend. And that went really oddly. Apparently, he had told Wendy that Morris his father was dead. And Wendy blurted something like, well, I'm not having an affair with your mother. It was an odd comment which didn't make much sense to him.
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And so Gary tells the cops. He's like, that was just weird. Perhaps he thought people believed he was sleeping with Ruth and would want to kill Morris and get ahead of the rumors. I don't know. But Gary shares this detail with police. Now, the officers weren't sure what to make of it. They continue just focusing on their search at the farm. And in the meantime, Gary said there's some chores around the farm I need to do. Apparently, even when there's a murder investigation going on, plants still need fertilizer and water. So with the officer's permission, he's like, can I go outside and keep working? And when he came back a little while later, police noticed that he smells like marijuana smoke. The police didn't believe he had been working in the fields. Gary had clearly been smoking. Keep in mind it's the 90s. It was about 1pm by this point and the officers had been investigating for about two hours. But by now they had finished searching the house and the motorcycle shop. They wanted to see the rug store. Now, the door was locked. They're like, Gary, we need the key for the rug store. He opens the shop for them and he lets the police inside. And that is how they then find Ruth, his mother, also dead, lying in a puddle of her own blood, stab wounds in her neck. But unlike Morris, her body had been hidden under the rugs in the rug shop.
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Now. If you're like me, you might be like, when Morris found his father dead, why didn't he immediately start frantically looking for his mother who's also missing? At this point, I don't know if that did happen, if they were searching the property for her. I mean, they waited two hours to unlock the rug shop. So it doesn't feel feel like just seems weird. But it wasn't reported, so I can't be like, oh, you know, they were, they were frantically looking for mom because that's not what was said. Basically it was said Morris was found in the motorcycle shop and then two hours later, they finally opened the rug shop. This is after Gary, the son, had made phone calls, smoked marijuana, maybe done some chores. And then they find Ruth hidden under the rugs in the rug shop. I wish I could like make that more cohesive for you and answer those questions, but I couldn't find anything about it in my research. So after this, naturally, police have a lot of questions about what had happened. Did Ruth and Morris have any enemies? Because now this is an elderly couple who's been murdered. Were there any witnesses who noticed anything the night before? But they soon realized there was probably only one potential witness. Only one person on this remote country farm who could have heard or seen anything, and that was Gary, their 41 year old son. Some officers took him to the station for questioning and they told him, listen, we're not accusing you of anything, we really just need information. And he consented to an interrogation. But then he begins making a bunch of comments that were just odd. Some of them were kind of like off color jokes about his parents and the murder investigation. And then each time Gary would say something that was inappropriate, he would stop and apologize. He's like, listen, when I'm nervous, I just make jokes. That's just what I do. I don't mean anything by it. I know this seems insensitive, it's just a knee jerk thing. But then he would just keep doing it, like making these very inappropriate jokes. On the day he found his parents dead, Gary also told the police about the last time he had seen his parents alive. Shockingly, they had actually been missing for a full day, more than 24 hours before Gary spotted his body. And the whole time it never occurred to him to report them missing or notify the police. Gary was like, on April 7th, he had dinner with his parents and then he went to bed. And when he woke up the next morning on the 8th, he didn't see them. So he figured maybe they just went out to run errands or meet up. Usually they would leave a note when they left the property. Gary didn't see one that morning, but he just told police it wasn't a big deal. He'd spent most of the day working outside on the farm and he just didn't bump into his father or mother at any point for the rest of the day. Then at 6:30pm when he went into the kitchen for dinner, his parents were still not there. Except again, Gary's like, I don't know, I just didn't think anything was wrong. He does confess it was odd and out of character for his parents to be missing like this and not see them all day. But he doesn't bother to report them missing or call anyone to ask if they had heard from them. So he says, I just cooked my own food, ate, cleaned up, and then I went to bed again. So this was actually the second morning he woke up without seeing his parents. He did say around 10pm he was a little nervous that his mother and father, like, he hadn't seen them. He says he stayed up till midnight waiting to see if he would, you know, they would come home and that he was kind of concerned. So police are like, okay, well if you're concerned the night before, why not call 91 1? Gary doesn't give them an answer. He says he just went to bed around midnight, woke up the next morning, his parents are still gone, and he goes and does his chores. He works until 11 and then lets that customer into the motorcycle repair shop and finds his father's body. And then the police would uncover his mother's body a few hours later. So just to summarize, Gary went over a day, nearly a day and a half, without seeing his parents. He thought it was odd, he was concerned, but he never called anyone because supposedly it just didn't occur to him. And on top of this, in the interrogation, Gary brings up another topic that struck the officers as strange. He was like, I have a history with alcohol abuse. He said, in the past, there had been many nights where I have drunk so much I blacked out. He said he'd wake up in the morning with no memory of what he'd done, who he'd been with, anything else. And this was a big part of kind of why Gary was now living with his parents. He had lost his previous job because of his drinking. He had gotten divorced. His ex wife had kind of left him because of this, and his parents were supporting him as he tried to get on his feet. But Gary says, I've been sober for about a month now. But it still, it strikes the police as strange that he brings up this history at all. They're like, it doesn't even seem relevant. So between that, the weirdness around the timeline and the inappropriate jokes, officers are like, we're going to push him a little harder to see if he is hiding something. Now at this point, I need to know Again, it was 1993. Police did not routinely wear body cams or record their interrogations. We have no tape of what Gary told them. And in the past 33 years, several officers and Gary himself have given contradictory statements about what happened. At this point, I can't tell you exactly how the questioning session went. I'll try to stick to the facts and in places where certain details may have been disputed or we have different stories, I'm going to point it out. But I can say this interrogation lasted for 21 hours, which we now wholeheartedly know is inappropriate. Literally, it was the entire day of questioning. Gary never got any sleep. He didn't eat during this time, but he had 15 cups of coffee during it the whole time. Like I said, Gary was acting weird. At one point, he agreed to take a lie detector test. Hard to say how that came about. Depending on who you ask, it might have been Gary's idea or one of the police officers. Either way, Gary agreed. And then he immediately asked if it's possible to cheat on the test by meditating and bringing his blood pressure down. And then right after he says that, he's like, no, sorry, that was just another joke. I'm just nervous. Now after this, Gary really does take the lie detector test. Apparently, his results were inconclusive, which wasn't that surprising. It's hard to get a good read on someone when they're that tired. And this all happened after midnight. So Gary had been at the police station for over 11 hours. However, like I said, when the officers get the results, they don't tell him it's inconclusive. They tell Gary he didn't pass. They lie. They didn't say he failed or that the readings were inconclusive, just that he didn't pass. They wanted to see how he would react. Well, Gary becomes very upset. He's shaken. He, according to sources, is acting like he's been caught in a lie. So then the police, continuing the interrogation, asked if it was possible that Gary might have killed his parents and then blocked it out afterward. After all, they're like, you have a history of drinking. You told us you've forgotten entire nights before. Maybe you had a fight with your family, you killed them and then drank until you passed out, and you've blocked all the memories. Now, Gary seemed hesitant to get on board with the idea. It's been a long time. It's past midnight. But he doesn't dismiss the possibility either. He basically says, I don't think I did this. But I guess, like, yeah, I have Forgotten things. So it could be true, which is when the officers asked, if Gary were to murder his family, how would he do it? You probably wouldn't expect most people to have an answer to that question, but Gary actually gives him a very detailed response. He says he would have started with his mother first. This was because Morris was hard of hearing. So Gary could attack his mother, Ruth, without having to worry about his father. Morris hearing her screams or any loud noises from a struggle. He said she spent a lot of her time working in the rug shop. It would have been easy for Gary to sneak up behind her. Then he would have grabbed her by the hair, cut her throat before she could fight him off or run away. He says he continues in this interrogation, this hypothetical, once his mom is dead, he would have gone to the motorcycle repair shop and done the same thing to his father. Keep in mind, this is exactly where they were found. This hypothetical confession stood out to police because it literally matches Morrison Ruth's causes of death. The autopsy results said both Morris and Ruth had died of stab wounds to the neck. And in addition, several of Ruth's hairs had been broken off like she had been grabbed from behind. Gary couldn't have known any of this when he was interrogated. It's not like the police let him take a break and read the coroner's report, even if they already had it. And when they asked Gary how he had known all of these specifics, they're like, well, how do you know that this is exactly what happened? He's like, maybe I'm just. I don't know. It's a lucky guess. He perfectly described the exact way that his parents had been slaughtered by coincidence. Gary at this point is like, but that was just a hypothetical. You asked me the question. I'm innocent. But the police don't believe him. And after this 21 hour interrogation, they charge him with two counts of murder. He's arrested. It's him. Gary goes to trial in October of 1993. This is only six months after his parents murders. This. This whole time he's like, I didn't do it. So he pleads not guilty. Except during the hearing, the prosecutors lay out all of the evidence they have against him. To be clear, they hadn't found anything physical connecting Gary to the crime. They couldn't prove he was responsible, but they have his kind of confession. They're like, he basically described the crime to us in a hypothetical. And he's like, it was hypothetical. I was just speaking because you asked me a question. The police had asked him how he had killed his parents. Gary says he was just trying to answer the question. He hadn't meant any of it. Still, the prosecutors were like, well, his story was too detailed and too accurate to be a lucky guess. And on top of that, they also say they have a key witness, a man named Raymond Wagner. Now, Raymond had been serving time in the same jail as Gary while he awaited trial. And he testified on the stand that Gary had bragged to other people in the facility that he killed his parents. And finally, the prosecutors also showed the jurors some very graphic and brutal crime scene photos. They wanted to drive home just how violent and horrific these homicides had been. They just. They wanted to paint the murderer as a really bad person, which they are now. Gary's lawyers countered that there was a rational explanation for why his fake confession was so close to the fact. Let's not forget Gary was the person who found his father's body. He saw Morris, saw where he was, saw his injuries. He could have seen the. The neck wounds, at least in theory. Because, remember, at the time he's telling police he doesn't know how his father died. He was thinking maybe a medical emergency. But according to his lawyers, they're like, probably by the time of his interrogation, he had figured out the truth, that his parents had been murdered. So, of course, when the police asked him, okay, how would you have done this? He was like, well, I just saw my dad with neck injuries. That's what I'm going to describe. And then he's like, I would just assume my mother went the same way. And let's talk about Ruth's hair. The coroner said some strands were broken in a way that was consistent with being grabbed from behind. However, it's worth noting that hair breaks very easily. This happens every time. You brush it, you comb it, you put it in a ponytail. So the coroner knew Ruth's hair was broken, but there's no way to tell how it had been broken. They were just in the report. They acknowledge this could have been normal damage from her daily routine. Like this could have had nothing to do with the murder. They couldn't prove that anyone grabbed her by the hair and broke it before, like, killing her. So the defense lawyer said the broken hairs could be actually treated as proof that Gary didn't do it, because he said he would have done that. And maybe that's not even what happened. They say this fake confession means nothing.
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now. The lawyers also noted that a lot of the coroner's findings were kind of inconclusive. Morris and Ruth had a lot of injuries. The damage was very severe.
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The medical examiner actually had a hard time even telling the stab wounds apart. It was also impossible for them to identify a murder weapon. They knew Morrison Ruth had been stabbed with a knife, but they couldn't tell you which knife, what kind. Prosecutors paint it, that it was a kitchen knife. They just make this up. There's no evidence for this. They don't find a specific one at the scene or anything in the kitchen with blood on it. But they argued, well, Gary would have had plenty of time to clean a knife between the murders and. And when he called 911. Now, his defense lawyers countered that. That anyone could have brought a knife on the property with them and then left after they killed them with the knife. But what about the jailhouse informant? Well, Gary's lawyers are like, he's a liar. Like, we. We. We can't explain it. But they're like this, h. You know, he. He's a criminal. Don't take what he said seriously. They also called a bunch of character witnesses to say that Gary was sweet, kind, had never hurt anyone.
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He'd never been convicted of a violent crime. Although Gary did have four separate DUI convictions from when he was abusing alcohol. But again, his defense team is like, that has nothing to do with what's going on. Now, Ultimately, the jurors had to decide how much weight to put on circumstantial evidence and how trustworthy they found Gary. And at the end of the hearing, they found him guilty of both murders. And Gary was sentenced to death for killing his parents. Except just nine months after this verdict, Gary files an appeal. The details are a little complicated, but basically, he argued that the prosecutors in his trial hadn't followed all of the rules and the procedures that they were supposed to. He proved his legal rights hadn't been respected, and he actually got his sentence reduced to life in prison rather than death. Except obviously, this wasn't the outcome he was hoping for with this appeal. I mean, I'm sure he was glad that he wasn't in danger of being killed now, but he's still, still insisting he's innocent and had nothing to do with his parents deaths. He's like, I shouldn't even have been convicted. And he was a victim of miscarriage of justice. So he keeps filing even more appeals and other claims. Another year went by, and then In March of 1996, he gets a pretty big break. The legal details here are a little complicated, but in simple terms, a judge found that the prosecutors had broken even more rules. Basically, the prosecutors didn't do a very good job. Gary's earlier guilty verdict now had to be overturned because of the prosecution. That means he gets a new trial. But it was going to take a long time for everyone on the prosecution to now build a case. So it takes years for it to get rescheduled. And in the meantime, Gary isn't let out of prison. He's still held in prison. I mean, he could be a potential killer. They had held him in prison the first time, so they're doing it again. And as for Gary himself, he's also preparing the strongest defense he can. So finally, in 1998, while he's waiting for his day in court, piece of evidence appeared that no one expected. But before I can tell you about that clue, I need to back up and I need to give you some extra context, because this next part of the story actually involves a motorcycle gang called the Outlaws. Now, at this time, the Outlaws were very active in Wisconsin, which is where they were based. But they would cross state lines, and members had spent time in the same part of Illinois where Ruth and Morris lived used to live. Now, it's important to know the Outlaws were bad guys, okay? They were not a nice gang. They stole from people. They attacked other gang members. Police thought they've even committed some murders. Problem was, they don't have enough hard evidence to convict anyone of anything. But they wanted to fix that. They wanted to bring this gang down and make sure that they served time for everything they had done. So all through the 1990s, Wisconsin's law enforcement officials were cooperating with federal agencies. And on August 31, 1995, they lucked out. Context. This was two years after Ruth and Morris's murder. By now, Gary had been sentenced to death, but that sentence hadn't been overturned yet. Now, in Illinois, police officers arrested a man named Mark Quinn, who was a member of the Outlaws, because, again, they're also trying to bring down this gang at the same time. And the federal officials went to Mark and said, listen, we will go easier on you if you help us bring down the rest of the gang. And Mark's like, yeah, I mean, I'm arrested now. I'm willing to talk. Specifically, he could testify that two other members of his gang, Randall Miller and James Schneider, had committed a murder, Mark also said, and they got away with it because Randall and James had killed an elderly couple, and apparently the victim's son had taken the fall for the crime. In other words, this gang member is now telling federal officers that Randall and James, two members of the Outlaws, had killed Morris and Ruth and Gary, their son, was sitting in prison and is literally innocent. Except the officers aren't sure if they believe them. After all, he could have been lying just to try to get a better deal when it came to his own crimes. They were like, he could have already known about this case, brought this up to try to, you know, get off easier. They let him out of jail, but told him to meet up with James and Randall while wearing a wire because they want to confirm his story. Sure enough, while the three men were together, Randall and James start bragging. They talk about how on the night of the murder, they had driven out to this farm, that they'd been in the mood to show off and hurt someone. So they had attacked Ruth, the wife, completely unprovoked. They had hit her in the head again and again until she was too hurt to defend herself. Then they slashed her throat. And after that, they moved on to the husband, Morris. Randall even says in this recording that he stabbed him in the side so he couldn't fight back or defend himself. And then the men delivered the killing blow by slitting Morris's throat. They go on to say that once both victims were dead, James and Randall had hidden the bodies in the rug shop and the motorcycle repair shop. They then scrubbed the crime scene top to bottom, tried to get rid of any physical evidence, and they drove away. They say the whole crime had been completely random. It's senseless, and it's horribly brutal. And again, this is all taped now, the good news was that Randall and James talked about all of this in detail while Mark was wearing the wire. So the investigators get everything on tape and this was enough for the police to arrest them, charge them, and convict them of the murders. And they also managed to charge them with 34 other crimes, including violent offenses and financial charges. They're really trying to take this gang down. And this is all happening while Gary is now awaiting his retrial. Luckily, the outlaw case makes it clear he's not guilty. So In December of 2002, Gary was officially exonerated and let go. He had already spent nine years of his life behind bars for a crime he. He apparently didn't commit. So after he gets left out, Gary files a lawsuit. He argues his civil rights had been violated, that he should never even have been convicted in the first place before anyone even knew the outlaws had done it. But unfortunately, his suit was dismissed before it could even go to trial because everyone cited against him, mostly they were like, the police didn't frame you. They did the best they could have with what they had at the time. To be clear, they're like, they made the wrong call, but they didn't break any laws. This is obviously insane. However, we can be grateful that the police did find the real killers. Ranall and James are behind bars and Gary is free. And it all happened honestly, thanks to a bit of luck. If not for one whistleblower who agreed to wear a wire to prove his story, and Gary might still be serving time today for killing his parents. When he didn't, the police and court systems might have never even realized they made a mistake. After all, crime scene investigations are hard. Police do mess up just like anyone else, just like any other profession. But unfortunately, they work in a field that is extremely high stakes. And missteps can have life or death consequences. It's why procedure and rules are so important. But even with them, sometimes justice only arrives thanks to a random chance or a twist of fate. And that is the murder story of Morris and Ruth Godger and how their son Gary served nine years in prison for murdering them, only to be let go because of some gang members confessions. Thank you guys so much for listening to today's episode. And I will see you next time with another one. Goodbye.
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