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What happens when the grey zone becomes a war zone and what might future wars look like, with hypersonic missiles, artificial intelligence and cyber changing calculations?

These are questions Sky News journalist Deborah Haynes explores in this episode, in part, by looking at Russia’s annexation of Crimea and the conflict in eastern Ukraine.

She also talks to General Sir Nick Carter, the head of Britain’s armed forces, about what he thinks is the gravest threat to the UK and about how the military is adapting to operate in the grey zone.

Guests:

General Sir Nick Carter, Chief of the Defence Staff

General Sir Richard Barrons, former head of Joint Command, now Strategic Command

Emine Dzhaparova , First Deputy Foreign Minister of Ukraine

Sergei Markov, political scientist and former member of the Russian parliament

Keir Giles, senior consulting fellow at Chatham House

Orysia Lutsevych, head and research fellow, Ukraine Forum, Russia and Eurasia Programme, Chatham House

Credits:

Written and narrated by Deborah Haynes

Edited and produced by Chris Scott

Production support from Sophia McBide and Michael Greenfield

The Head of Sky News Radio is Dave Terris