You think you’ve known Katie Couric your whole life. You have no idea.

Yes, the press called her America's Sweetheart. They also called her a diva, an ice queen, and a bitch on wheels (Connor's favorite). The real story starts there: how does a journalist turned national icon become herself without losing the magic that got her there in the first place?

Connor and Katie’s conversation went everywhere: fame and what it does to your head, loss and what actually lasts, getting older, the Sarah Palin interview she still feels "secondhand cringe" about, pickleball, breast milk, how she got completely fooled by AI, and her glorious give-no-fucks era. Katie fills out a report card for Connor at the end too. You'll want to stay for that.

CHAPTERS

Chapters

00:00:00 How fame f*cks with your head
00:02:51 What most interviewers mess up
00:06:27 The power of boredom and the hippocampus
00:08:05 Addicted to the grind
00:12:18 Going independent before the creator economy existed
00:15:42 The perky problem and clapbacks on Threads
00:18:09 Fighting to be taken seriously
00:27:17 Sarah Palin and the interview heard around the world
00:33:20 AI, income inequality, and the Jevons paradox
00:37:59 Your colon saved a lot of lives
00:41:40 Faith, God, and being a secular humanist
00:45:12 We're all terminal, how do you want to spend your time?
00:47:55 Nothing matters but your friends and your family
00:49:38 The Katie Couric report card