Autism and RFK Jr.’s War on Pregnant People

Summary

It Could Happen Here — Autism and RFK Jr.’s War on Pregnant People

Cool Zone Media / iHeartPodcasts | Aired: September 24, 2025
Host: Mia Wong
Guest: Crystal (unionized abortion care worker, aka Clozilla)

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the Trump administration and RFK Jr.’s recent campaign asserting a debunked and dangerous link between Tylenol (acetaminophen) use during pregnancy and autism (and ADHD) in children. Host Mia Wong and abortion care worker Crystal dissect the medical misinformation behind this narrative, connect it to broader eugenics policies and control over pregnant people’s bodies, and discuss the real-world dangers such rhetoric creates for public health and marginalized groups.

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Key Discussion Points

1. The Newest Anti-Autism Conspiracy (03:05–05:16)

• Mia introduces “Anti-Autism Week”: Jokingly frames the episode as another round of attacks on marginalized identities:

  “...your host wakes up every morning and rolls a D6 to determine whether the government wants to exterminate her for being trans, autistic or Chinese.” (03:05, Mia Wong)

• RFK Jr. and Trump claim Tylenol causes autism and ADHD:

  • Administration promised to "find the cause of autism by the end of the summer."
  • They blame Tylenol taken during pregnancy, which is not backed by science.

• Lack of media coverage on ADHD: Crystal points out the administration also connects Tylenol to ADHD, which is largely going unreported.

  “They are also claiming that taking Tylenol if you're pregnant causes ADHD, a thing which you think would be noteworthy to point out, but has just not.” (04:30, Crystal)

2. Deep Roots in Anti-Vaxx Grifting and Eugenics (05:16–11:26)

• Return of vaccine misinformation:

  • Trump, RFK Jr., and allies repeat outdated anti-vaccine tropes, including long-debunked claims about mercury/aluminum in vaccines and the Wakefield MMR scare.

• Andrew Wakefield’s legacy:

  • Recaps how Wakefield started the modern anti-vax movement with fraudulent research.

• Absurd pseudo-scientific claims:

  • Trump apparently claimed, “Cuba doesn't have Tylenol, so they don't have autism,” and that Amish communities have lower rates due to avoiding medications.

• RFK Jr. appropriates “Believe all women”:

  “President Trump believes that we should be listening to these mothers instead of gaslighting and marginalizing them...” (Quote read by Mia Wong, 07:29)

  • Crystal notes the hypocrisy, as RFK Jr. uses #MeToo language to push anti-vax claims, despite being accused of sexual assault.

    “RFK Jr noted repeatedly accused of sexual assault... is doing believe all women but about vaccines causing autism.” (08:14, Crystal)

• Promotion of “natural” suffering as eugenics:

  • FDA commissioner argues against treating children’s fevers, harkening back to survival-of-the-fittest and eugenic thinking.

    “If the child is strong, then they'll go through it naturally and they'll become stronger. And it's like, no, that's eugenics.” (09:48, Crystal)

• Core argument: The policy’s true purpose is to eliminate or reduce autistic births—a eugenics goal—while actively harming those in need of medical care.

3. Tylenol in Pregnancy: Medical Reality vs. Political Rhetoric (16:49–22:24)

• Why Tylenol is targeted:

  • It’s nearly the only pain/fever medication considered safe during pregnancy; attacking it is an attack on pregnant people’s right to comfortable, safe care.
  • Other pain meds (NSAIDs, opioids) are either risky or dangerous in pregnancy.

• False medical authority:

  • FDA commissioner brags about refusing Tylenol for his pregnant wife, suggesting doctors wrongly “push” it, while touting unproven alternatives (e.g., “prescription Lecoverin”).

    “They pushed her to take acetaminophen for a low grade fever. She said no. And then they looked at me and I said, absolutely no.” (19:26, Crystal reading quote)

• Medical consensus ignored:

  • Professional organizations (Physicians for Reproductive Health, ACOG) affirm Tylenol’s safety in pregnancy.

    “There’s decades of studies of Tylenol being safe to take during pregnancy. There’s ACOG... saying like, hey, Tylenol is safe during pregnancy.” (21:22, Mia Wong)

4. Medical Disinformation, Surveillance & Broader Control (23:21–25:58)

• Controlling pregnant bodies:

  • Disinformation about Tylenol forms part of a wider agenda: abortion bans, criminalizing miscarriage, and regulating every aspect of pregnancy.
  • Any substance could be arbitrarily targeted, setting dangerous precedent.

• Link to abortion pill attacks:

  • Government’s false claims about Tylenol foreshadow similar attacks on abortion medications (e.g., mifepristone), undermining reproductive autonomy.

• Extending to other fields:

  • The same strategies are used to limit transgender healthcare and vaccine access.

  “We let it happen with abortion, and then now, all of a sudden, now we can't take Tylenol during pregnancy because it causes autism.” (26:39, Mia Wong)

5. The Landscape of State Violence & Collapse of Public Health (31:40–39:09)

• Wider context: deliberate erosion of healthcare systems:

  • Black maternal mortality, ob/gyn “deserts,” infant mortality, hospital closures—all worsening as resources shift away from real crises into moral panics about autism.

• Stigmatization as control:

  • Focuses on how the administration targets vulnerable groups (autistic people, trans people, pregnant people) as a means to inflict suffering, distract from systemic collapse, and profit from anti-vax/anti-medical grifting.

• Hope in public resistance:

  • Crystal notes this authoritarian platform is deeply unpopular and ultimately unenforceable if mass non-compliance and dissent persist.

    “Things that they do can be opposed. And when people oppose them en masse, they lose… the violence of the state only functions insofar as people allow it to function.” (31:40, Crystal)

6. Closing Thoughts & Call to Action (39:15–End)

• Repeat the medical truth:

  “I just want to say again that it's safe to take Tylenol during pregnancy and it doesn't cause autism.” (39:15, Mia Wong)

• Resources encouraged:
  • ACOG, Physicians for Reproductive Health (PRH), and consulting your doctor.
• Advocacy for sharing correct information:
  • Emphasized the importance of combating misinformation with reliable medical sources.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the real motivation:

  “The thing that they're trying to do is get rid of autistic people… it's absolutely hideous.” (10:20, Crystal)

• On the fraudulent science linking Tylenol to autism:

  “Autism predates Tylenol… Tylenol came to be in like the 1950s and, you know, autism existed before that.” (17:02, Mia Wong)

• On the state’s priorities:

  “They definitely care more about there being less autistic children than… addressing infant mortality.” (11:26, Mia Wong)

• On medical autonomy:

  “It's cool to ask your doctor stuff, like, just ask them questions… That's what they are there for.” (39:38, Mia Wong & 39:50, Crystal)

• On living under intersectional threat:

  “[Describes the show’s premise:] … to determine whether the government wants to exterminate her for being trans, autistic or Chinese.” (03:05, Mia Wong)

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Important Timestamps

• 03:05 — Episode opens; “Autism Week” description and introduction of guest Crystal.
• 04:30 — Media’s failure to report Tylenol/ADHD claims.
• 05:16–08:08 — Discussion of Trump/RFK Jr. positions, anti-vax movement roots.
• 09:31 — Debunking the “fevers are good” argument by FDA Commissioner.
• 10:20–12:17 — Eugenics as core ideology behind these policies.
• 16:49 — Deep dive: why Tylenol is vital in pregnancy.
• 19:26 — FDA Commissioner’s personal anecdote & push for unproven alternatives.
• 21:22 — Medical community’s response & consensus.
• 23:21 — Surveillance & criminalization of pregnancy.
• 25:31 — Parallel to abortion medication disinformation.
• 31:40 — Crystal’s reflections on state violence, resistance and hope.
• 34:45 — The link between policy, hospital closures, worsening health outcomes.
• 36:38 — Public education attacks & lack of support for autistic and trans people.
• 39:15 — Closing: Tylenol is safe & doesn’t cause autism. Encouragement to check reliable medical resources.

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Suggested Resources (from discussion)

• ACOG (American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists): https://www.acog.org/
• Physicians for Reproductive Health: https://prh.org/
• Consult your OB/GYN or healthcare provider for personal medical decisions.

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Tone & Language

The episode mixes gallows humor, exasperation, and solidarity with vulnerable listeners. Crystal and Mia combine academic rigor, lived experience as healthcare workers and marginalized people, and a refusal to sugarcoat the bleakness of rising authoritarian health policies. The language is direct, sometimes profane, and always conversational, including frequent reminders to question authority and trust medical professionals over conspiracy news cycles.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode is a rigorous, impassioned dismantling of the right-wing’s turn toward eugenicist, anti-science policy surrounding autism, exemplified by attacks on Tylenol in pregnancy. The hosts provide medical facts, context for broader state violence against marginalized groups, and a call for resistance, mutual aid, and accurate information sharing.

Transcript

[Mia Wong]

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[Crystal]

Cool Zone Media. Welcome to It Could Happen Here, a podcast where your host wakes up every morning and rolls a D6 to determine whether the government wants to exterminate her for being trans, autistic or Chinese. This week, I am your host, Mia Wong. We have rolled the dice. This week is Autism Week. And by Autism Week, I mean Anti Autism Week. The Trump administration, or specifically RFK Jr. Promised at the beginning, it was like April, roughly, that they were going to find the cause of autism by the end of the summer. And they are claiming that the cause of autism is taking Tylenol when you're pregnant. And that's not true. And to talk about how unbelievably vile and unhinged this is is Crystal, who's a unionized abortion care worker who is also Clozilla on Blue SK Guy, a friend of the show. Done many things. Welcome to the show.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah, thank you so much, Mia. It's always so wonderful to come and talk about horrifying things with you and be filled with existential dread together.

[Crystal]

It's so good. And by good, I mean the worst thing I've ever seen.

[Mia Wong]

I'm like, this is such a great time to be a trans non binary abortion care worker. I just love, I love, like, being hated in so many different ways. You just like a rich tapestry of hatred towards you. It's really great.

[Crystal]

So good. So, okay, that's actually kind of where I want to start about this, is that most of the media coverage of this has been purely focusing on the Tylenol causing autism. Well, specifically that's causing autism. And I want to point out, because most of the news articles that cover this simply do not mention this. They are also claiming that taking Tylenol if you're pregnant causes adhd, a thing which you think would be noteworthy to point out, but has just not. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know why people aren't reading the transcript. I don't know why, but they're not.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah, I actually hadn't seen that part. Like, I was literally just reading and observing, like, just the pregnancy and what that means for, you know, pregnant people and I like, didn't see any of the ADHD stuff, so that was new when you brought that up to me.

[Crystal]

Yeah, it's, it's just not being reported on. It's really baffling. So I want to, before we sort of really get into the. Wait, hold on. Why the fuck are they doing this? What is happening here? Because, and as Crystal's going to say, actually Tylenol is safe for people who are pregnant. It's fine. But I want to go over a bit of like, what's actually in this because it's a really, really weird. We're going to be getting more into the sort of like into the autism angle in another episode next week. But I want to talk a little bit about just like the actual stuff that was in this announcement where Trump is saying that a, you shouldn't give Tylenol to pregnant people and also saying like, you shouldn't give it to like, young children and is like, you know, he's like ranting about like mercury and aluminum in vaccines, which, like, this shit isn't real. Like, there hasn't even been anything that's even remotely related to mercury in vaccines for ages. It also never did anything. But this is all weird Andrew Wakefield special shit. He also has this thing where he's talking about, like, how you should separate the MMR vaccines, which is a thing that if you have seen the Hbomber guy video, you will know. The reason that that was an anti vax talking point was because Wakefield was selling separate vaccines. And so he was trying to convince parents that having all three of the vaccines at once would give their kids autism. But if you did it separately, it wouldn't through scientific things that don't make any sense, even according to his own incredibly made up bullshit. Wakefield, by the way, is the guy who sort of kicked off the modern anti vaccine movements by abusing a bunch of children and publishing an incredibly fake study and then getting it retracted and then getting his medical license retracted because it was incredibly fake and abused children. So Trump is sort of just repeating the stuff that he's like, vaguely remembers. There's a whole bunch of this sort of like stuff he vaguely remembers. Like he goes on a random rant about like, how Cuba doesn't have Tylenol, so they don't have autism and that Amish people. And this is the one that goes around a lot like, oh, people don't have autism because they don't take drugs. And it's like, oh my God. I also just, I want to read a quote from RFK Jr about this, which again, and I want to point this out, the actual point of this thing is announcing that the FDA is not going to recommend that you take acetaminophen or Tylenol if you're pregnant. I'm just going to read this and I'm going to ask if you can figure out what the link between this and Tylenol is. This is from RFK Jr. President Trump believes that we should be listening to these mothers instead of gaslighting and marginalizing them. Marginalizing them like prior administrations. Some of our friends like to say we should believe all women. Some of these same people have been silencing and demonizing these mothers for three decades because research on the potential link between autism and vaccines has been suppressed in the past.

[Mia Wong]

So is this basically talking about kind of like the celebrity anti vax people and like the grifters and.

[Crystal]

Yeah, yeah. It's like I, I can't believe that. Well, I mean I can believe, but like a. The fact that RFK Jr noted repeatedly accused of sexual assault and whose response when asked to about it was, quote, I have a lot of skeletons in my closet is doing believe all women but about vaccines causing autism.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah. I mean it's only just like a talking point that they can use in their favor. It is, it's never actually about, you.

[Crystal]

Know, I hate it.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah.

[Crystal]

Oh, God. And like, like this is just like the average thing in this speech that isn't barely even getting news coverage.

[Mia Wong]

I mean, there's also what Trump said as well, which. Oh yeah, because I've seen a lot of that too. And it's like between what Trump said and what RFK Jr. Said, it's like, where do you even, like, where does the media focus? Like, how do you explain this to the American audience?

[Crystal]

Yeah, it's, it's ridiculous. And then they also brought in Marty McEray who's the commissioner of the FDA, who has a giant rant about how like I learned in medical school, just treat fevers, low grade fevers with acetaminophen. Why? What are we doing? A study out of Hopkins actually showed treating a fever can prolong the duration of illness in a young child. Maybe that's because fever is a body's natural way of ridding an infection.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah, well, that's absolutely not true. I mean there's like, we, we know that like fevers are dangerous for young children and pregnant people. It's. Yeah, I don't, I don't know. It's just, it's just total Made up bullshit.

[Crystal]

Like, it's just eugenics.

[Mia Wong]

Right.

[Crystal]

Like they, like, they're, they're like, oh, no, you shouldn't actually do anything to treat the illnesses because if the child is strong, then like, they'll go through it naturally and they'll become stronger. And it's like, no, that's eugenics.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah. This goes for the pregnancy of it all too, because it's about being able to suffer and enduring. And it's, it's the same case, the same kind of like puritanical survival of the fittest eugenics shit. Whether you're talking about pregnancy or you're talking about like literally young children who have fevers. Same, same like approach.

[Crystal]

Yeah. This also links directly back to what they're trying to do here. Right. Because the thing that they're trying to do is get rid of autistic people.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah.

[Crystal]

Like, they don't want there to be children born with autism.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah.

[Crystal]

And in order to do this, they are willing to not take vaccines. They are willing to. Well, I mean, I, I guess, I guess, I guess I should say that not letting pregnant people take Tylenol is really truly the most. Some of you must die. But that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make thing that I've ever seen. But it's, you know, it's absolutely hideous. It's like, yeah, these people, they don't want autistic kids to be born, you know, and that's also just straight up part of the eugenics thing that the project that they're doing. Right. There's on the one hand the sort of pure survival of the fittest. Fuck them kids, let them just die of fevers. And then on the other hand, there's the just active, like, oh, we're just gonna do all this stuff that we think will just make there not be autistic kids.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah. And they definitely care more about there being less autistic children than there are about actually like, you know, addressing infant mortality.

[Crystal]

Yeah.

[Mia Wong]

And it's definitely, it's treating autism as in something that can be prevented by the choice of the parents as opposed to it just being something that some people are born that way also, you know, same with being queer and trans and all these things. It's this idea that you can like, choose it, that you can like, if the parents are strong enough and they can endure enough pain and they can suffer enough, and if they, you know, make the right choices, then they can avoid having a child with autism. And it's not really that dissimilar than like, oh, what to do if you like have a queer child, a trans child. It's this idea that like that is something that can be controlled and eliminated, which is eugenics. Which is, you know, as you've been saying so definitely.

[Crystal]

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[Mia Wong]

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[Crystal]

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[Crystal]

We are back. So let's talk about specifically the don't use Tylenol of it all. Can you talk a bit about just like the importance of Tylenol and pain management for pregnant people?

[Mia Wong]

Yeah, and I bet like there's definitely probably people out there who are like, why Tylenol? Why did they choose this? Like, where did this come from? Is it because Trump can't say acetaminophen? You know, a lot of people have been, you know, speculating and first off, I, I do want to say that autism predates Tylenol. Like, like Tylenol, like came to be in like the 1950s and you know, autism existed before that and has probably already always been around to some degree, which we don't know. I don't know. It's. It's a very complex and we're still, you know, it. There's been so much stigma around it for so long that it's difficult to talk about. But Tylenol is basically one of the only pain medications that pregnant people can take. And that's why it's Tylenol. I think that that is the way of looking at this where it's like, why did they single out this medication? And it's because it's the only pain medication that a pregnant person can take. Because as we know, there's other pain medications like the NSAIDs, like ibuprofen and naproxen. And then of course there's opioids, which is obviously not good during pregnancy, though, of course, talk to your doctor, because I'm not a doctor and you should always get this from doctors. Talk to your OB GYN. But NSAIDs are typically not recommended in the last three months of pregnancy because they can cause issues with amniotic fluid and baby's kidneys and things like that. So it is typically recommended that you avoid ibuprofen and other things like that. And you take Tylenol to reduce fevers, to reduce pain. Obviously there is a lot to be sick with when you're pregnant. There's a lot of sources of pain. You know, fever and headaches are definitely something that pregnant people experience. But pretty much like, because it is the only pain medication that pregnant people can take, then it's really easy to be like, oh, well, what are they taking? This is what they're taking. And then you can go from there. And I. This is very much coming from. It feels so weird saying this coming from like a biblical sense of like, Eve ate the apple. Eve is the original sinner, I think. I don't know, like, you know, Eve did the bad thing. So Eve needs to suffer during pregnancy. All women need to suffer during pregnancy. That is a very much like a very biblical take on this. And I think that is kind of why. Why Tylenol? Because it's what pregnant people are taking to reduce pain and to address fevers.

[Crystal]

Yeah. And I want to read a quote from the commissioner of the FDA that he gave while he was speaking about this where he says, quote, when my wife was pregnant and delivered our son a few months ago, they pushed her to take acetaminophen for a low grade fever. She said no. And then they looked at me and I said, absolutely no. I'm also here to announce Good news. Today the FDA is filing a Federal Register notice to change the label on an exciting treatment culprit, prescription Lecoverin, so it can be available to children with autism. So you could see, like, how casually he's doing this. Like, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah. Like, I'm really proud of my wife for saying no to taking Tylenol for a fever. And like, they also look at this and it's like the, like, oh, they pushed her to take acetaminophen for a low grade fever. It's like, that's an extremely normal thing for a doctor to say to you. Like, take Tylenol for your fever is like the least, like, medically invasive thing a doctor can possibly recommend. Like, what are we doing here?

[Mia Wong]

Yeah, it's really basic medicine. And also, like, there's like, there's ways to profit off of this too, because if you can't take any pain medication when you're pregnant, but you can take. I think they were recommending something like, I don't even know, it was like something folic acid thingy. They were recommending that you take something which obviously now can be like, profit off of and sold. This is a very capitalist, very grifter approach to medicine and healthcare because obviously always talk to your doctor and your OB GYN about taking any medication when you're pregnant. Like, talk to your doctor. They're going to be the best source of information.

[Crystal]

So the, the, the, the folic acid thing is a licovirin, which is a medicine for anemia and counteracting the effects of chemotherapy meds.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah, I wouldn't.

[Crystal]

And they're specifically like, oh, this will stop your children from having autism.

[Mia Wong]

Okay.

[Crystal]

No, it won't.

[Mia Wong]

No, no, no, no. I mean, like, there are, there are respected organizations speaking up right now kind of like about like the facts about the studies about what's real. So there's like Physicians for Reproductive Health are, you know, saying like, there's decades of study of studies of Tylenol being safe to take during pregnancy. There's acog, which is a big professional membership organ, like tens of thousands of OBGYNs saying like, hey, Tylenol is safe during pregnancy. So there's been decades of studies on Tylenol use in pregnancy. Some of the studies published in the Journal of the American Medical association that says how safe it is. So like, it is, it is, it is safe. It is absolutely a hundred percent safe to take to treat pain and fever during pregnancy. So, like, you know, in terms of like, who can you look to like, definitely look to the OB GYNs right now and what they're saying and the physicians in these respected organizations, because they're going to tell you the truth. But the problem is that this information is not reaching the public.

[Crystal]

Yeah. And instead, yeah, they're just getting the President of the United States and all of these just weird conspiracy people that they've installed as the people running the US Medical establishment being like, oh, no, actually this is really bad for you for reasons.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah, it's all very vague. It's not really backed by like, decades of medical research. And like, also too, there's so many people who have not taken any medication during pregnancy and they still have children who are autistic.

[Crystal]

Yeah, it's, it's, it's just like, it's just absolutely ridiculous. And like, any way you look at the numbers, like, in terms of, you know, if you look at like the increasing rates of Tylenol usage by pregnant people versus, like, autistic kids, it's not like the Tylenol usage goes up way higher and then the autistic numbers don't change that much relative to it. It's just like, it's all just like, nonsense.

[Mia Wong]

Well, so there is the eugenics of it all. And there's also the aspect that we've been dealing with with the rampant abortion bans and the criminalization of pregnancy that we've been seeing over, honestly over the decades. It's about controlling bodies. And like, this is also with trans healthcare too. Like, it's about eugenics, about kind of this necro politics of choosing who lives and dies and being able to choose everything about a person's body, even how they're gestated. You know, like, oh, the, the parents shouldn't take this and they shouldn't do this. And then it opens up when it comes to control and surveillance and criminalization of a pregnant person that can go in so many different directions because, you know, they're telling you not to take Tylenol. If they just randomly chose Tylenol, they can randomly choose anything. They could talk about epidurals because there is like this idea that you should suff and that you shouldn't treat fever and that you should experience pain during pregnancy. Just like that one quote that you shared about his wife. So they're going to like, start targeting other things. And also there's already so much criticism and control and judgment and stigma over things like if you're working while you're pregnant, if you're drinking coffee while you're Pregnant. If you're eating certain things, there's already so much like policing over pregnant bodies without even touching on abortion. But, like, they're also trying to control how you even dispose of pregnancies. Like, if you're looking at the states that are requiring you to call the police if you have a miscarriage. So that's like, they want to control how you miscarry, how you have an abortion.

[Crystal]

Yeah.

[Mia Wong]

Worth noting, too, because this is absolutely connected to abortion and abortion pills. If the government is coming out and saying that Tylenol is causes autism and it's not safe to take while you're pregnant or to use to treat a fever in young children, then they can also say things like, the abortion pill is not safe because they've been trying to get the FDA to take away the approval of mifepristone, saying that it's dangerous. And, you know, if they're gonna say that Tylenol is dangerous and causes autism, then it's like, it's gonna be so easy for them to say that the abortion pill is deadly as well.

[Crystal]

And they've already been doing this with vaccines in terms of, like. Like, they've been restricting access to vaccines to people without preexisting conditions, which, admittedly is a lot of people. Like, the list of preexisting conditions is really long, and you should just try to get them anyways. But, like, yeah, like, this isn't a hypothetical. They are already doing this with vaccines, a thing that we do all need in order to not get horribly sick and die from plagues. A thing which there are many of right now.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah. And I think that this definitely goes to show how topics like abortion and early pregnancy loss and miscarriage and abortions later in pregnancy, like, the way they've been talking about this has spread to all aspects of pregnancy, and it's spreading to other areas, too. Like, so when we haven't addressed the bans and the stigma and the criminalization, it's. It's been spreading. It's spread to vaccines, it's spreading to trans healthcare. It's just. It's just. I feel like I've been watching this black hole just grow and grow and grow over the years and just take away our access to these really basic medical things.

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Yeah, I just see, we let it happen with abortion, and then now, all of a sudden, now we can't take Tylenol during pregnancy because it causes autism.

[Crystal]

Yep.

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[Mia Wong]

There's so much to say about the eugenics and autism aspect of this. So much to say more than like we can say right now.

[Crystal]

Don't worry, there will be another episode of this show about that with some doctors next week.

[Mia Wong]

Probably just like focusing right now on like pregnancy and policing pregnant bodies and, and Tylenol and pain management and what's real, the fact that Tylenol is safe to take while pregnant and doesn't cause autism. You know, really dwelling on that. But like there is a lot to say, there's a lot to say about the implications of this where, like where this came from in our society and where it's going. And it's all really horrifying.

[Crystal]

Yeah, it's exceptionally bleak. But I do think, and this is, I think a theme we're gonna be returning to a lot in the coming days and weeks. But like the only silver lining for this is that this shit is not popular. Like, it's just not. People hate it. People hate the administration. They have been hating the administration. Every day it goes by, they hate it more. You know, and this is part of the control strategy, right? Part of the reason why they're making these incredibly draconian moves into like authoritarian moves into the domestic sphere is because it's a way of suppressing dissent. And they have to do that. They have to suppress dissent and they have to take things from us and they have to continue to try to just beat everyone into Submission, because they can't do it through actual persuasion. What they have is the violence of the state, and they're going to try to keep doing that. But the violence of the state only functions insofar as people allow it to function. You know, and this is. This has always been sort of the secret of the United States, which is that, like, a bunch of the things that they're doing or their attack as crackdowns that they're attempting to do are effectively unenforceable because people simply refuse to cooperate with them. And, you know, this is a field. Well, I mean, I don't know until they just straight up ban Tylenol. This is a thing where I guess we're mostly just trying to spread information. But, like, the things that they do can be opposed. And when people oppose them en masse, they lose. And I don't know, I want to give people a little tiny bit of hope.

[Mia Wong]

You want to be positive? Yeah, yeah. So the deterioration of public health in the United States is absolutely state violence.

[Crystal]

Yeah.

[Mia Wong]

Focusing on Tylenol and stigmatizing autism and people with autism is, like, distracting from so many things that are actual public health emergencies. So when they're talking about pregnancy and they're talking about Tylenol and autism, there are so much more severe things going on in the United States right now when it comes to both the health of pregnant people and infants. So there's the black maternal mortality crisis, which is so severe in so many states that is just constantly. Like, abortion bans have made that even worse. There's terrible infant mortality rates rising in states. So, for example, Ms. declared infant deaths an emergency because they halted that CDC information data collection program. So Mississippi declared a public health emergency from rising infant mortality. And there's also. I mean, I believe that the abortion bans are a medical crisis as well. And there's also huge ob GYN deserts in this country. Like, we're seeing, like, the loss of ob GYN health providers where people can't access a OBGYN for. For miles and miles and miles, and there's just entirely a lack of providers. These are all very, very serious public health emergencies. And yet they're talking about autism.

[Crystal]

Yeah, well, and also as much as they're talking about is they're making all of these crises worse. Like, specifically the opgyn crisis. It's like, yeah, I don't know, they've been kicking a bunch of people off access to. Of their access to government insurance. And like, what does that do? Oh, wait, hold on. It just absolutely annihilates the income and revenue base of a bunch of hospitals that already like weren't making much money in rural areas. And so more of them close because they lose their revenue sources. And suddenly there's all of these crises just continue to get worse.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah. So we have like this stigmatization of autism, parents of autistic children, trans people, trans children. When like they're focusing on this and they're vilifying and dogpiling and stigmatizing and all of these things, these groups, while there is this snowballing of crises, the damage already just from Roe v. Wade being overturned in 2022, like it's like been three years and there's just been this like cascading, just ever increasing public health disasters from it. And. And yet we're, we're stigmatizing vulnerable people. Yeah.

[Crystal]

In the ways that we've been talking about. Right. Their ideology is about inflicting suffering on vulnerable people because they think that it's good. And that's a thing that's, you know, I mean, just obviously incompatible with public health as, as a concept. Which is, you know, part of why they're sort of dismantling it. Part of it is that these people are all like selling their own weird anti vaccine grift stuff that they've been selling for years and years and years and years. And all of this has just sort of come together into just this sort of abyss where every, all everything that was the public health infrastructure in this country which was insufficient to begin with, has just been disappearing more and more into.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah. The erosion of our public health. You know, this isn't like new this, decades of, you know, this coming into being where we are right now. But it's been really horrible to watch as a healthcare worker, as somebody who cares about just like everyone being able to get like evidence based care, have access to medical providers and then also the ability to do whatever kind of healthcare they need to be able to do on their own as well, to just have this solid medical information. And then also like there's the public education of it all too because already like there's this attack on public education which autistic children need a lot of support in order to thrive and schools are, you know, they could be equipped to do that. Where I've seen wonderful programs and wonderful education services that really set people up for success and this goes for like everyone obviously like any child is going to benefit from this. But it just, it makes everything so much worse. Like parents and families and just autistic people Just don't get enough support, period. Yeah, just like trans people as well. And then we're all just being thrown under the bus for the capitalist class and the elites so they can continue to, like, you know, hide their, their pedophilia rings and like, the whole, Just the fact that they're all like, what you said earlier about rfk. Yeah. These are all a bunch of child molesters telling us that we're not strong or brave enough to endure pain that we can easily treat with the medical technology that we have. And I feel like I normally, I feel like I used to not talk, talk like this. I used to not be, like, child molesters in the government. Like, I kind of feel like. But I'm like, this is literally where we are right now somehow. So here I am, like, you know, talking about Tylenol being safe for pregnant people, Tylenol not causing autism, and then talking about the fact that our government is run, run by a bunch of pedophiles. Not quite where I expected to be if you had talked to me like, eight years ago, maybe.

[Crystal]

It's really something. It's.

[Mia Wong]

It's really wild to be talking about this right now. And, like, we knew this was coming too. Like, I, I. There's been months of whispers where it's like, oh, yeah, they're going to say Tylenol causes autism. So, like, this, I knew this was coming somehow. I don't even know how. It's just, I feel, I feel like it's all very transparent and like there's leaks and there's whatever. But I, like, I knew this was coming for months. And yet here we are. Here we are.

[Crystal]

Yeah. And I don't know, I think that's as good of a place to end. Unless you have anything else you want to make sure you get in.

[Mia Wong]

I just want to say again that it's safe to take Tylenol during pregnancy and it doesn't cause autism.

[Crystal]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Mia Wong]

And tell everyone you know that and share good resources like acog. Acog. Physicians for Reproductive Health. Prh, I believe is their initials acronym.

[Crystal]

We will put links to stuff in the description of this.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah. And also ask your doctor about medication that you should take whether you're pregnant or not. You know, it's cool to ask your doctor stuff, like, just ask them questions.

[Crystal]

Yeah, yeah. That is what they are there for.

[Mia Wong]

It could happen.

[Crystal]

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