Executive Disorder: White House Weekly #37

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Executive Disorder: White House Weekly #37"

It Could Happen Here
Release Date: October 10, 2025
Hosts: Garrison Davis, Robert Evans, Mia Wong, James Stout

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Overview

This episode delivers a tense, satirical, and in-depth look at a week of tumult stemming from the Trump administration’s escalating federal response to protests in Portland (and Chicago), including military deployments, legal showdowns, and information warfare around ICE, Antifa, and the alleged “insurrection.” The team breaks down the legal and political chaos, the impact of propaganda, the realities versus the narratives, ICE-related violence, public lands deregulation, and new tariffs—all against the backdrop of the country’s continuing institutional degradation.

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Main Theme

The main focus:
A chaotic week where the Trump White House—spurred by right-wing influencers and amid disinformation—attempts to deploy the military against domestic protests, deploys federal troops across state lines, faces court pushbacks, and ramps up rhetoric against “insurrectionists,” Antifa, and local authorities standing in their way. This is entangled with broader collapses in legal norms, policing, and public policy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Right-Wing Media Outrage and the Portland Protests

• Arrest of Nick Sorter:

  • Right-wing influencer Sorter arrested (with two others) by Portland police during an ICE protest after a farcical altercation involving a protester in a bird costume ([04:39]).
    • “Sorter was provoking reactions from protesters when he was then chased down the street by a woman in a bird costume... assaulted by Big Bird.” – Garrison Davis ([04:39]), James Stout ([05:03])
  • While charges are dropped, the right explodes with claims of Orwellian Antifa-policed Portland and calls for federal intervention.

• Government Response:

  • Trump administration, DOJ, and DHS (led by Kristi Noem) publicly announce surge deployments of ICE and military to Portland and later Chicago; language escalates to framing protests as “insurrection” ([06:00]–[07:52]).
    • “Antifa is a terrorist group and will not control our streets.” – Kristi Noem via Benny Johnson ([07:04])

2. Legal Battles Over Federal Military Deployments

• Judicial Pushback:

  • Federal Judge Immergut blocks federalization and deployment of Oregon National Guard, citing lack of legal justification and constitutional violations ([10:00][11:01]).
    • “Not a leftist judge... a judge who 30 years ago you would have called a far right extremist.” – Robert Evans ([10:00])
    • “Concern about hypothetical future conduct does not demonstrate a present inability to execute the laws using non military federal law enforcement.” – Quoting Immergut’s ruling ([11:01])

• Trump Administration’s Legal Arguments:

  • Claims Insurrection Act authority; judge says Portland protests don’t meet legal definition of “rebellion” ([12:43])
  • Trump and Stephen Miller double down on “insurrection” language ([13:53],[14:18])
    • “We are not going to tolerate a lawless insurrection... Every time we make an arrest we are initiating an investigation into the entire domestic terrorist network.” – Stephen Miller via Mia Wong ([13:09])
    • “Portland is burning to the ground. You have agitators, insurrectionists. All you gotta do is look at the television.” – Trump ([13:53])

3. Federal Troop Movements and Ongoing Legal Standoffs

• Escalation Despite Blocks:
  • Attempts to send out-of-state Guard (CA, TX) to Oregon/Illinois; recurring TROs block each move ([15:05][31:54])
  • Actual presence of Texas (and Illinois) Guard in Chicago as of October 8 ([31:54])
    • “There is out of state Guard deployed into Illinois... They are in the borders of the state right now.” – James Stout ([32:41])
  • Local opposition: Illinois Gov. Pritzker accuses Trump of “invasion” ([30:59])

4. Weaponized Disinformation and Public Perception

• Discrepancy between Narrative and Reality:

  • Hosts highlight the “simulation” of crisis repeatedly outpacing the mundane on-the-ground reality ([14:39],[29:34])
    • “The simulation is more important than the reality.” – Garrison Davis ([14:40])
    • “Almost no one's even there... This complete disconnect between what's actually going on in the city and what's being reported.” – Robert Evans ([28:43])

• Misinformation Tactics:

  • Kristi Noem conflates cartel threats with protestors to heighten perceived threats ([24:08])
    • “Nobody who’s out at ICE right now has collectively $10 grand to put towards a bounty.” – Robert Evans ([25:15])
  • Propaganda paints minimal protests as “armies of Antifa” ([26:23])

5. ICE Escalations and Street-level Violence

• ICE Detentions and Shootings:

  • ICE detaining unhoused and possibly US citizens in Chicago; some remain unaccounted for ([34:08])

    • “We don't know where they are... they're just gone.” – Mia Wong ([34:27])

  • Second ICE shooting in Chicago—Miramar Martinez is shot by ICE during a “rapid response” action ([34:27][38:19]):

    • Martinez’s attorney claims body cam shows agent escalated and fired unprovoked ([38:18])
    • “What the evidence supports right now is that ICE shot someone who was doing rapid response work. And it is frankly a miracle that she wasn't severely injured or killed.” – Mia Wong ([39:51])

• Criminalization of Dissent and Documentation:

  • Government now equates filming ICE activity and sharing information as “doxxing” and “violence”; apps for monitoring ICE disappear after pressure ([45:38])

    • “Videotaping ICE agents is an act of violence seems to be what's being suggested here.” – James Stout ([46:24])

  • Example: Journalist Mario Guevara deported for filming law enforcement ([47:54])

    • “It would be really nice to see a fraction of the advocacy we saw for Jimmy Kimmel as someone who’s actually doing reporting.” – James Stout ([47:54])

6. Grift and Corruption in Border Enforcement Apparatus

• Tom Homan, Paper Bags of Cash, Consulting Grifts:
  • Senate testimony highlights unaccounted-for $50k FBI cash payment in a paper bag to former ICE director Tom Homan ([48:54])
    • “What became of the $50,000 in cash?” – Senator Whitehouse ([48:54])
  • Homan’s multi-millionaire surge through revolving-door consulting; broader pattern of monetizing government contacts ([52:34])

7. Policy Pivots: Public Lands & Tariffs

• Roadless Rule & Public Lands:

  • Trump admin seeks to rescind protections for roadless areas, opening up 58.8 million acres to logging, amid spurious wildfire prevention claims ([59:10])
    • “Forests with roads were four times more likely to have fires.” – James Stout ([60:30])
  • Strong reminder that these are Indigenous lands and conservation means returning stewardship ([63:57])

• Tariffs Galore—Domestic Policy as Sideshow:

  • New 10–25% tariffs on Canadian lumber, furniture, and kitchen cabinets; further tariff hikes scheduled ([65:35])
  • Explains “spectrum” of Trump tariffs—ranging from real (lumber) to vaporware (100% tariff on foreign films) ([71:13])
  • WIC funding threatened by shutdown, Trump admin floats diverting tariff revenue to cover emergency nutrition programs—legally dubious ([67:44])

• TrumpRx: A new initiative for direct-to-consumer drugs with “favored nation” pricing, but in reality doesn't allow insurance and may not help anyone with existing coverage ([69:51])

8. Media Responsibility and Rumor Control

• Reporting on ICE in Hospitals:
  • Team warns against amplifying unsubstantiated rumors—like claims that ICE is detaining people inside hospitals, which could drive immigrants away from life-saving care ([54:24][56:55])
    • “You're just endangering people by trying to get them to believe it is not safe for them to go receive life-saving emergency medical care at this stage.” – Robert Evans ([56:11])

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• “Glocktober. I mean, who doesn’t love a good Glock?” (Robert Evans, [03:02]) – Utilizing humor to contextualize escalating gun policy debates.
• “The simulation is more important than the reality.” (Garrison Davis, [14:40]) – Capturing the essence of political theater over material conditions.
• “There is out of state Guard deployed into Illinois... They are in the borders of the state right now.” (James Stout, [32:39])
• “What the evidence supports right now is that ICE shot someone who was doing rapid response work. And it is frankly a miracle that she wasn’t severely injured or killed.” (Mia Wong, [39:51])
• “Forests with roads were four times more likely to have fires.” (James Stout, [60:30])
• “This land was all stolen from its Indigenous stewards by means of genocide. And we should give it back.” (James Stout, [63:57])
• “It would be really nice to see a fraction of the advocacy we saw for Jimmy Kimmel as someone who’s actually doing reporting.” (James Stout, [47:54])
• “Maybe it’s a No Country For Old Men kind of situation. Whoever found it was smart enough to dump the transponder first.” (Robert Evans, [51:21]) – On the missing $50k in cash.

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• Opening & News Recap: [02:25]–[04:39]
• Arrest of Nick Sorter/Protest Narrative: [04:39]–[08:36]
• FED Response, National Guard Deployments, Legal Battles: [08:36]–[16:35]
• Judge Immergut’s Ruling & Legal Definitions: [10:00]–[13:09],[12:43]
• “Insurrection” Rhetoric & Info Warfare: [13:09]–[18:30]
• Troop Movements/State-level Defiance: [15:05]–[32:41]
• ICE, Chicago, Unlawful Detentions & Shootings: [34:08]–[39:51],[38:19]
• Info Tactics/Media App Crackdowns: [45:38]–[46:24]
• ICE-Related Deportation of Journalists: [47:54]
• Tom Homan’s Bag of Cash & Government Consulting: [48:54]–[54:24]
• ICE and Hospitals/Rumor Control: [54:24]–[57:03]
• Public Lands & Roadless Rule Policy: [59:10]–[63:17]
• Tariff Roundup & WIC Policy Crisis: [65:35]–[69:51],[67:44]
• End/Lightning Round & Fundraiser: [73:05]–[74:04]

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Closing Remarks & Tone

The hosts close with calls for critical media literacy, solidarity across movements, charity plugs, and grim humor about the absurd times we inhabit. The episode blends sharp legal-political analysis, dark wit, and deep skepticism toward official narratives—matching the “walk through the burning ruins” vibe the show promises.

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Overall, this episode is a vital dispatch from the ongoing slow-motion crisis of American governance, as seen from the ground—alternately enraging and bleakly hilarious, with a clear call to vigilance and collective care.

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If you only have a few minutes, listen to:

• The summary of the Portland/ICE protest and right-wing outrage ([04:39]–[08:36])
• Legal battle analysis and Judge Immergut’s reasoning ([10:00]–[13:09]), ([12:43])
• ICE shootings in Chicago ([34:08]–[39:51])
• The section on public lands and conservation ([59:10]–[63:30])

Transcript

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[Garrison Davis]

A joke, this is it could happen here. Executive Disorder, our weekly newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling of our world and what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis. Today I'm joined by James Stout, Mia Wong and Robert Evans. This episode, we're covering the week of October 1st to October 8th.

[Robert Evans]

That's right, baby.

[James Stout]

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[Robert Evans]

You know, Glocktober, Glocktober. I mean, who doesn't love a good Glock?

[James Stout]

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[Robert Evans]

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[James Stout]

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[Robert Evans]

Gavin Newsom doesn't love a good Glock. I mean, honestly, they band them Beretta fans don't love glocks. Still sore about that.

[James Stout]

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[Robert Evans]

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[James Stout]

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[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

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[Robert Evans]

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[James Stout]

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[Robert Evans]

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[James Stout]

Sorry, I just got a notification that Sophie had canceled ed which I think is probably a response to what we're doing right now.

[Garrison Davis]

Let's start because there's a lot of news this week by talking about frankly the most important news story in the whole nation right now. On Thursday, October 2, right wing influencer Nick Sorter along with two other people saw us.

[Robert Evans]

I know, I know.

[James Stout]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Robert Evans]

I can't. It's stupid. It's really stupid.

[Garrison Davis]

Along with two other people were arrested by the Portland police bureau in connection with a fight outside of the ice building during a protest. Sorter was provoking reactions from protesters when he was then chased down the street by a woman in a bird costume. A bird costume, quote, swinging a large.

[James Stout]

Stick covered with feathers, sort of assaulted by Big Bird.

[Garrison Davis]

According to court documents. The three people were arrested at all, charged with disorderly conduct, though Sorter's charges have since been dropped. Sorter's arrest ignited a right wing firestorm the likes of which I have not seen since Charlie Kirk was assassinated.

[Robert Evans]

I'm glad people are finally waking up to the antifa police department that rules Portland with an iron fist for a long time.

[Garrison Davis]

Tim Pool posted on X the everything app. I'm calling on the Trump administration to launch a legal challenge against Oregon following the arrest of Nick Sorter and if necessary, deploy National Guard. Oregon's failed to uphold federal and state law and we should not tolerate it.

[Robert Evans]

And like, yeah, there was like a fight and they detained people and then the DA didn't press charges against Sorter. And it's, it's just, it couldn't be more of a nothing burger as an actual story.

[Garrison Davis]

Nothing. Nothing burger.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, but.

[Garrison Davis]

Oh, boy. But not According to the AG's office, who quickly responded on it to Tim Pool's request. And by Friday morning, the White House, the Attorney General and the Justice Department announced a quote, unquote, full investigation into the arrest and the conduct of the Portland Police Bureau. Finally, conservative influencer Benny Johnson, who's been embedded with ICE this past week, posted on X the Everything app, quote, important news. I spoke with DHS Secretary Kristi Noem. She's been briefed on the attack and arrest of journalist Nick Sorter. Secretary Noem tells me DHS will surge ICE resources in Portland, Quote, antifa is a terrorist group and will not control our streets, unquote. Thank you, Secretary Noem. Benny Johnson later shared a video captioned breaking. DHS Secretary Christine Noem has announced the Department of War will deploy to Portland and Chicago within 24 hours to crush left wing violence, unquote. And here is the video with Kristi Noem talking about the quote, unquote, antifa affiliated, anti ICE protests.

[Benny Johnson]

Well, you've got a presence in Portland that as that is antifa affiliated. And so that is a situation where you have known professionals, targeted violence that want to tear down America and will apparently attack anyone, even journalists that are just trying to report the truth of what's happening on the streets. So we're not just going to be rolling out of Chicago here, but we're sending in the Department of War at the request that I made to Secretary Hagsett. They're going to be rolling in here within the next 24 hours. They'll be coming to Chicago too. I put a request in today for them to come to Chicago and we're going to not only have our officers that are out there with hsi, but we're also going to have backup from our military because everybody deserves that. And so what we saw happen to that journalist last night will not happen again.

[Robert Evans]

Okay.

[James Stout]

Yeah, Betty Johnson showing a very professional journalism there by just saying, wow, a lot.

[Garrison Davis]

It's a pretty wild scene having troops walk behind Kristi Noem. As this podcaster Grills. Grills are on. Sending the military to cities.

[James Stout]

Yeah, in front of a bearcat.

[Garrison Davis]

The reactions from the right after after Nick Sorter's arrest were pretty wild. With journalists going on Fox News claiming that the Portland police are affiliated with Antifa and popular right wing influencers on X like Amuse saying, quote, the Portland police are now colluding with Antifa to prosecute federal officers protecting the ICE facility.

[Robert Evans]

When has that happened?

[Garrison Davis]

Each time federal officers engage with antifa, Portland police liaisons collect statements and videos from Antifa to facilitate state criminal charges against DHS. So somehow in the year of our Lord 2025, the Portland Police bureau is now Antifa, which is a truly miraculous state of affairs. After his release Friday morning, Nick Sorter hosted on X quote, you've proved what we've all been saying for years. You're corrupt and controlled by violent antifa thugs who terrorize the streets. Referring to the Portland police, I have been in direct contact with top officials at dhs. What's coming in Portland is unprecedented. All thanks to Portland police exposing themselves by arresting journalists. Great work Portland, unquote. A day later on October 4, a Trump appointed federal judge granted the state of Oregon and the city of Portland a temporary restraining order blocking blocking Trump and Haig says federalization and deployment of 200 Oregon National Guard. Against the wishes of Oregon Governor Tina Kotak, the judge found that existing local and federal law enforcement were sufficient to police protests. That the Trump admin had mischaracterized the reality of the current protests outside of the ICE facility and that violence against ICE in other parts of the country is not sufficient justification for a local military deployment.

[Robert Evans]

It's worth noting this judge, Judge Immerget, number one, not a woke judge was literally if you go back and you watch the Monica Lewinsky hearings or the I mean this is the Clinton sex scandal hearings but this is the part of it in which Lewinsky was being grilled. Immigrant was the female lawyer that they brought out to be incredibly cruel to Monica Lewinsky because it wouldn't look as off putting. And it wound up, she wound up part of why Monica Lewinsky became so is she immigrant looked fucking nuts. And immigrant is the person who is looking at who is going through all of the claims made by the administration and going there's literally not only is there no justification for the deployment of troops in Portland but everyone calling the shots at FPS and ICE is like everything's under control, we have no need for additional people. Yeah, there's no real danger here. Like this is Not a leftist judge. This is not a judge with a political axe to grind. This is a judge but 30 years ago you would have called a far right extremist.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah, I will quote a little bit from her ruling here. Quote to accept the defendants arguments that's the federal government would be to render meaningless the extraordinary requirements of 10 USC 12406 by allowing the President to federalize one state's National Guard based on the events in a different state or mere speculation about future events. In other words, violence elsewhere cannot support troop deployments here and concern about hypothetical future conduct does not demonstrate a present inability to execute the laws using non military federal law enforcement unquote. On the Trump admins argument that the President's authorized to federalize state National Guard in the case of rebellion or invasion the judge concluded that the legal definition of rebellion requires quote first, a rebellion must not only be violent but also armed. Second, a rebellion must be organized. Third, a rebellion must be open and avowed. Fourth, rebellion must be against the government as a whole, often with the aim of overthrowing the government rather than in opposition to a single law or issue. Here the protests in Portland were not a rebellion and did not pose a danger of rebellion especially in the days leading up to the federalization unquote. The judge found that the President's federalization of the organ National Guard without proper statutory authority under 10 USC 12406 exceeded the President's constitutional authority, undermined Oregon's sovereignty and violated the 10th amendment by infringing on Oregon's constitutional power to control its own National Guard. Writing that the Trump Admin quote interfered with the constitutional balance of power between the federal and state governments unquote.

[James Stout]

Yeah. Is that the one where she, she said their argument was untethered from the facts? Yeah, yeah I think that was a pretty good, good summary of what's going on here.

[Garrison Davis]

Later that day Stephen Miller went on News Nation to talk about the quote unquote insurrectionists. Interesting word in Portland and the new national security Presidential memorandum to investigate and dismantle so called left wing terrorist networks.

[Mia Wong]

We're the federal government. We are not going to tolerate a lawless insurrection. We are not going to tolerate domestic terrorism and we are going after the antifa rioters, the insurrectionists, the violent assaulters. And we are not only going after them, we are going after their network, we are going after their funders. Every time we make an arrest we are initiating an investigation into the entire domestic terrorist network. The President issued a national Security Presidential memorandum, an NSPM making clear that it is the national security priority of United States law enforcement to dismantle, disrupt, defeat, and destroy these domestic terror networks. And that is exactly what is taking place. It is what we are doing. It is what will happen.

[Garrison Davis]

His use of the word insurrection there is important.

[James Stout]

Yeah.

[Garrison Davis]

A day later, President Trump also used the term insurrectionists to describe protests in Portland and complained about the federal judge who blocked the deployment of National Guard saying, quote, portland is burning to the ground. You have agitators, insurrectionists. All you gotta do is look at the television. It's burning to the ground. The governor, the mayor, the politicians are petrified for their lives. That judge ought to be ashamed.

[Robert Evans]

Again, nothing's been burnt down. Nothing was burnt down in 2020. Most of the big nights at ICE lately have been maybe 200 people. You know, you've had some more on a few occasions, but, like, it's usually a lot less. It's probably just unnecessary for me to correct all this, but I guess I can't fight the urge to be like, none of this is accurate to what's happening.

[James Stout]

Yeah, yeah.

[Garrison Davis]

The simulation is more important than the reality.

[James Stout]

Yeah, yeah. Miller's done this before, right? Like, he kind of likes to use these words that exist in legislation and sort of point to the direction he wants things to go, I guess.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah.

[James Stout]

Like, he did this by calling anti for an enterprise. We saw this to an extent with Title 42 and his reference to migrants of the public health threat. This is kind of a trademark move for him. Almost.

[Garrison Davis]

Now, hours after the federal judge blocked the federalization of Oregon National Guard, Secretary of War Pete Hegseth ordered 300 California National Guard to be deployed to Portland. And the next day, Texas Governor Greg Abbott authorized 400 Texas National Guard to be sent to Oregon and Illinois in coordination with the Department of War. On Sunday night, the federal judge that previously blocked the Oregon National Guard federalization made another ruling blocking the deployment of troops from California and Tex, finding that it was, quote, in direct contravention of her earlier tro. This secondary TRO halted any federalization, relocation or deployment of any Guard members to Oregon from any state. The Trump administration has appealed these rulings and oral arguments will be heard on Thursday, October 9, in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. Stephen Miller called this ruling, quote, one of the most egregious and thunderous violations of constitutional order we have ever seen, and is yet the latest example of unceasing efforts to nullify the 2024 election by fiat, unquote. By Monday, Miller told reporters, without going into specifics, that the president Quote, has a very broad range and set of authorities when it comes to deploying federal assets, unquote. And that same day, Monday, Trump discussed the possibility of invoking the Insurrection act in a White House press conference.

[Mia Wong]

Sir, what?

[Benny Johnson]

The Insurrection Act. Under what conditions or terms would you.

[Aaron Manke]

Well, I do it if it was necessary. So far it hasn't been necessary, but we have an Insurrection act for a reason. If I had to enact it, I didn't. I do that. If people were being killed and courts were holding us up, or governors or mayors were holding us up, sure, I do that. I mean, I want to make sure that people aren't killed. We have to make sure that our cities are safe. And it's turning out, and we started with D.C. it's been so successful. You look at what's happened with Portland over the years, it's a burning hellhole. And then you have a judge that lost her way, that tries to pretend that like there's no problem. Actually, she's not even saying that. There's a huge problem in Portland. And I'll tell you what the problem is. Crime. Okay, Crime. It's a huge problem in Chicago, it's called crime. And we want to put out the crime. And they want to inflame the crime.

[Mia Wong]

Oh, boy.

[James Stout]

Sure.

[Garrison Davis]

That's the clearest statement we've gotten from the President on. On the conditions in which he would invoke the Insurrection Act. I think specifically pointing towards governors, mayors, or courts that prevent ICE from completing immigration actions in those cities and counties.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah. And that's the thing that we've gotten from him. That's the most specific indication of things that are happening right now that could cause him to do it. We still don't have a direct. I'm going to do it. But I think it's pretty clear from this that he wants to. These people in these circles have been talking about wanting to do it for a long time and I think this is in some ways the closest we've gotten to it.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah. And that's why you have people like Miller and Trump himself using the word insurrection when describing what's happening. To establish a pretext to actually follow through on that and declare the Insurrection act when it suits them.

[James Stout]

Yeah. I think it's worth noting Miller's doing. Miller is often the originator of many of these kind of legal theories. This one has made its way to Trump.

[Garrison Davis]

I'm going to declare an ad break and then we will return to finish our reporting on war ravaged Portland.

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[Garrison Davis]

I did not know her and I did not kill her or rape or.

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America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people and small towns.

[Maggie Freeling]

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[Ed Helms]

Hey, it's Ed Helms and welcome back to Snafu, my podcast about history's greatest screw ups. On our new season, we're bringing you a new snafu Every single episode.

[Benny Johnson]

32 lost nuclear weapons you're like, wait, stop.

[Ed Helms]

What?

[James Stout]

Ernie Shackleton sounds like a solid 70s.

[Ed Helms]

Basketball player who still wore knee pads.

[James Stout]

Yes.

[Ed Helms]

It's gonna be a whole lot of history, a whole lot of funny, and a whole lot of guests. The great Paul Scheer made me feel good. I'm like, oh, wow. Angela and Jenna, I am so psyched you're here.

[James Stout]

What was that like for you to soft launch into the show?

[Ed Helms]

Sorry, Jenna. I'll be asking the questions to today.

[Benny Johnson]

I forgot whose podcast we were doing.

[Ed Helms]

Nick Kroll. I hope this story is good enough to get you to toss that sandwich. So let's, let's, let's see how it goes. Listen to season four of SNAFU with Ed Helms on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Aaron Manke]

There's a vile sickness in Amistown. You must excise it. Dig into the deep earth and cut it out. The village is ravaged. Entire families have been consumed.

[Benny Johnson]

You know how waking up from a.

[James Stout]

Dream, A familiar place can look completely alien?

[Robert Evans]

Get back.

[James Stout]

Everyone's got knacks.

[Aaron Manke]

And if you see the devil walking around inside of another man, you must cut out the very heart of him, burn his body, and scatter the ashes in the furthest corner of this town.

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[Aaron Manke]

The Devil walks in Apostone.

[Garrison Davis]

Okay, we are back. DHS Secretary Kristi Noem has made some pretty, pretty fantastic claims about the nature of these protests and the threats facing ICE agents both in Chicago and Portland. And I'm just going to play her clip from Fox News here talking about the threats to ice.

[Benny Johnson]

Our intelligence indicates that these people are organized. They're getting more and more people on their team as far as attacking officers, and they're making plans to ambush them and to kill them. We have specific officers and agents that have bounties that have been put out on their heads. It's been $2,000 to kidnap them, $10,000 to kill them. They've released their pictures, they've sent them between their networks, and it's an extremely dangerous situation and unprecedented. So we've put protective detail around those individuals, changed some of our operations to keep our officers safe. But make no mistake, this isn't just about, you know, protesting free speech or that they don't like that people out here are upholding the law of our country. They're actually going out there and saying, kill these people and we'll give you this much money to do it.

[James Stout]

It's quite a specific claim, isn't it?

[Garrison Davis]

What she's doing there is conflating allegedly Cartel Bounties on Ice agents with protests happening outside of ICE facilities, making it sound like the protesters are putting $10,000 Kill Bounties on Ice officers, man, let.

[Robert Evans]

Me tell you, nobody who's out at ICE right now has collectively 10 grand to put towards a bounty.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah, yeah. What are we doing here?

[Garrison Davis]

On Tuesday, October 7, Kristi Noem arrived in Portland, Oregon along with her conservative podcaster sidekick Benny Johnson, who has been live streaming ICE operations in Chicago with Noam. Benny posted on X the everything app breaking DHS Secretary Kristi Noem stares down army of antifa and a guy in a chicken suit from the rooftop of the ICE facility here in Portland.

[Robert Evans]

Finally, someone took that chicken guy down to size.

[Garrison Davis]

I want to play the video that I that I think one of us should like set the stage for like what we're seeing.

[James Stout]

Secretary, do you have a message to.

[Ed Helms]

The protesters, especially the man in the chicken outfit?

[Benny Johnson]

The man in the chicken outfit, I just see him now.

[Aaron Manke]

Goodness sakes.

[Benny Johnson]

Welcome to the Oregon. Our goal is that people would peacefully protest but that we would still be allowed to enforce the laws country. So too bad they're uneducated and no informed.

[Garrison Davis]

If you look at this protest, there's about what, 20 people on the street corner adjacent to the ICE facility, nearly, nearly as many journalists and photographers as there are protesters. And this is what Benny Johnson is describing as an army of Antifa. It's these 20 people holding signs across from like a police line on the edge of the ICE facility. At a later point, Benny zooms into another street corner which similarly has about a dozen people over one block away from the ICE facility. This is the army of antifa that Benny Johnson is referring to as he along with Nick Sorter stand with Kristi Noem on the roof of the ICE facility surveying the area, which is just a fantastical sequence of events. We time traveled and told me that five years ago that Kristi Noem and Betty Johnson are going to be on the roof of the ICE facility calling a man in a chicken outfit an army of antifa. I guess I could believe you, but I would still be upset. I guess it would still be upsetting.

[Robert Evans]

I wouldn't be happy, but I wouldn't like. I wouldn't like, argue with you, I'd be like, yeah, I mean, that sounds like a natural extension of where things are at this point in time.

[Garrison Davis]

On Tuesday night, Noem went on Fox News to talk about a meeting she had with local law enforcement and the mayor where she threatened to send four times as many federal forces into Portland, Oregon.

[Robert Evans]

Sure, man.

[Benny Johnson]

I told them what we wanted. We wanted more security here at the building, a bigger buffer zone to keep our officers safe. We wanted to have their streets opened up again and not let the anarchists run this city anymore. That we would ask them to continue to back us up like we've been asking for, instead of what they've been doing the last several months, which is just leaving our officers hang out to dry. The chief asked if I wanted to meet with the mayor, and I said, absolutely. Came back and just met with the mayor, and I'm so extremely disappointed he's continuing to play politics. Did not commit to any of those promises, and said that he'd give me an answer by tomorrow, and I'm hopeful that he will. What I told him is that if he did not follow through on some of these security measures for officers, we were going to cover him up with more federal resources and that we were going to send four times the amount of federal officers here so that the people of Portland could have some safety again.

[Robert Evans]

Almost no one's even there. Like, I can't exaggerate the degree to which this is not a major factor in 99% of people's day to day because, number one, where the ICE facility is, is cordoned off from the rest of the city.

[Garrison Davis]

Like, pretty isolated chunk.

[Robert Evans]

It's isolated, you might say. And number two, just like most people that I know who were out in 2020 don't really have a clear idea of what they should be doing right now or what the most useful thing to do is right now and have spent a lot of time in front of federal riot lines and aren't right now. And like, it's this. This complete disconnect between what's actually going on in the city and, like, what's. What's being reported, which doesn't matter really. Like, it doesn't impact anything. That everything they're saying is a lie.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah.

[Robert Evans]

Because their people believe it. It's just kind of frustrating.

[Garrison Davis]

No. And this information is all in the TRO document that blocked the deployment of National Guard. Quote, plaintiffs provided all of the PPB call logs in the month of September which showed that Portland Police Bureau worked in close coordination with federal Protective service supervisors and regularly checked the status of the ICE facility as detailed above. They also show that protest activity in September generally did not involve violence against federal property or personnel, unquote. Portland Police Bureau have been working in coordination to manage the protests outside the ICE building. They've not abandoned ICE officers. That's, that's not, that's not actually what's happening. A federal judge has deemed that local law enforcement are more than sufficient to handle the protests outside of the ICE facility. The Trump government just really wants to send the military into cities as they've already done with D.C. as they were wanting to do with Memphis, Chicago, Portland, eventually, like New Orleans. This is just something that they really want to do. On Tuesday, October 7, Texas National Guard arrived in Illinois and are currently stationed at an Army Reserve center in a suburb south of Chicago. Sunday night, Governor Pritzker made a statement reading, quote, this evening, President Trump is ordering 400 members of the Texas National Guard for deployments to Illinois, Oregon and other locations within the United States. We must now start calling this what it is. Trump's invasion, it started with federal agents, will soon include deploying federalized members of the Illinois National Guard against our wishes, and it will now involve sending in another state's military troops. There is no reason a president should send military troops into a sovereign state without their knowledge, consent or cooperation, unquote. The State of Illinois announced that they would be seeking their own TRO against Trump's military deployment. The Illinois Attorney General said in a statement, quote, the American people, regardless of where they reside, should not live under the threat of occupation by the United States military, particularly for the reason that their city or state leadership has fallen out of a president's favor, unquote. And on Monday, Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson signed an executive order establishing city property and unwilling private businesses as ice free zones and discussed the deployment of troops from out of state by warning, quote, the right wing in this country wants a rematch of the Civil War, unquote.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah. And so we have it. We have a kind of breaking news update which is. So this is being recorded on Wednesday, October 8th. It's possible this will again change by the time this comes out. The most recent information we have is, and this was reported by cbs, per a statement from US Northern Command, which is part of the Defense Department, War Department. But yes, they're sending 500 troops. I'm just going to read the direct quote. Illinois, approximately 200 soldiers from various units of the Texas national guard and approximately 300 soldiers from various units of the Illinois National Guard were Activated into a Title 10 status and have arrived in the greater Chicago area. National Guard were mobilized for an initial period of 60 days. Will be under the command and control of the commander of U.S. northern commander.

[James Stout]

Yeah.

[Mia Wong]

So that's where we are right now.

[James Stout]

Yeah.

[Garrison Davis]

There is out of state Guard deployed into Illinois.

[James Stout]

Yeah.

[Garrison Davis]

Like they are. They are in this borders of the state right now.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah.

[Garrison Davis]

When Higgs has tried to deploy California National Guard to Oregon, it's unclear how many of them actually arrived in Oregon, but we do have confirmation and photos of Texas Guard in the borders of Illinois.

[Mia Wong]

Yep.

[Garrison Davis]

This morning, Donald Trump truthed on truth social media that, quote, chicago mayor should be in jail for failing to protect ICE officers. Governor Pritzker also, unquote. This is the President of the United States calling for the jailing of a mayor and governor.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah. He's also more recently calling for the jailing of everyone who burns American flags and a minimum of a year in prison. Again, the legality here is deeply unclear. There's not a legal underpinning for that other than he's instructed the DOJ to start going after those folks.

[Garrison Davis]

But, yeah, this is just words that he's saying. But I think the words that he's saying are sometimes, not always, but sometimes important.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah. So I want to turn from here to the other occupation of Chicago or the one that has been doing significant damage already in the city. As we have been covering, which is the ICE and Border Patrol deployment in Chicago, there's been more escalations that we are going to spend a small amount of time talking about. ICE has begun detaining unhoused people.

[James Stout]

Shit.

[Mia Wong]

We have reports of 11 total people they've detained. So far, most of them have been released. But the most prominent, and this is something that Brandon Johnson specifically mentioned in his speech, was four people who were taken in Chicago neighborhood called Broadview who were outside a shelter. According to Chicago Reader. We don't know where they are.

[James Stout]

Jesus.

[Mia Wong]

As of. But they're just gone. No one has been able to trace them down. Yeah. And this, and this seems to be part of a broader trend of ICE agents taking action against people who, I mean, appeared to be US citizens. We saw this a couple like last week with. And this is another thing that Brendan Johnson specifically mentioned with him with ICE agents just choking a black man out on the street. The major story is that there has been a second shooting by ICE in Chicago. What we know for sure about this shooting is that on Saturday morning, an ICE agent shot a woman named Miramar Martinez who appeared to have been part of a group that was following ICE vehicles around the city. Martinez was shot and drove herself to a nearby auto repair shop where medics and police showed up. I'm going to read the Sun Times account from the shop managers who they spoke to of what happened when she got to the body shop. Quote, the shop manager spoke with a 911 operator and said, send somebody quickly because this lady is bleeding profusely. I mean, it was instant puddles. Police and paramedics showed up a few minutes later, he said as paramedics place a tourniquet on Martinez's arm, leg and arm. A bullet fell out of her arm and onto the shop floor. The manager said Martinez thankfully does not seem to have been really, really severely injured. She is like, she is in stable medical condition. Now, DHS put out a press release almost immediately claiming that their agents were, quote, ambushed by domestic terrorists that rammed federal agents with their vehicles and that, quote, Martinez woman they shot was, quote, armed with a semi automatic weapon and has a history of doxing federal agents. Now, it is worth noting that best practice when looking at Department of Homeland Security statements, especially under the Trump administration, is you simply assume that they are not telling the truth until any details they have mentioned are corroborated. What the exact situation was before the shooting is very unclear. Both Department of Homeland Security and federal prosecutors have claimed that a group of cars basically boxed in an ICE vehicle and there have been repeated claims that they were ramming the ICE vehicle and that's why the ICE agent opened fire.

[Garrison Davis]

That's the DHS's claims.

[James Stout]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mia Wong]

This is the DHS's claims and these are the claims that are made in court documents. I want to read from the Sun Times. Also, Martinez's lawyer's description of what's going on because it is significantly different from the government's account. And it's, it's also, it's also worth mentioning that there's already been some deviation between the court documents and the DHS statement. For example, the court, the DHS statement mentions a semi automatic weapon and there's just simply no mention of that in like, in any of the sort of charging documents. The deadly weapon that she's being accused of doing an assault with, which is what she's been charged with, is the car. Yeah. So here's, here's from the Sun Times. So Parenti, who is her attorney. Parenti also offered to play an agent's body cam video that shows the shooting, noting prosecutors did not show the video that he claims disputes the Government's version of the shooting. Parenti said the video shows an agent turning a federal vehicle left into Martinez's vehicle, after which the agent says, quote, do something, bitch. And the agent then exits the vehicle and shoots Martinez. The attorney said Martinez had, quote, seven holes in her from the shooting and that agents were in such a hurry to take her into custody at the hospital that they had to return later when Martinez began bleeding from her wounds.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mia Wong]

So this is a significantly different portrayal of the shooting. We do not have access to this body cam footage yet. It has not been released to the public. There is a video that we do have that does not show the shooting, that shows some of the stuff leading up to the shooting from that sort of auto repair shop that she went to. It is still very unclear what exactly happened here other than the fact that I shot this woman. That's the only thing that we 100% know.

[Garrison Davis]

She does have a concealed carry license and had a handgun in the car with her.

[James Stout]

Yeah.

[Garrison Davis]

The lawyers have claimed she never brandished the weapon and it was in the passenger seat.

[Robert Evans]

And there's no evidence that she did brandish the weapon.

[Mia Wong]

No, no, no.

[Garrison Davis]

Nor is ICE even claiming that. Like, like ICE isn't even claiming that she brandished weapon. ICE isn't claiming that she fired a weapon.

[Robert Evans]

No. Ice's specific claim is that when she was arrested later, she had the weapon on her, which could refer to the vehicle or whatever.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah, well, and, and I, I, I, I will say so. The initial Department of Homeland Security press statement said that she was armed with.

[James Stout]

Correct.

[Mia Wong]

A semi automatic weapon. I think a lot of people took that to mean, you know, because DHS was implying stuff by saying that she was armed with even though she was a knot.

[James Stout]

Yeah, they're inhabiting the ambiguity of that verb. Right.

[Mia Wong]

Like, yeah, right.

[Garrison Davis]

They also said that they fired defensively, which makes you infer that this person may have fired at ice. Even though DHS has never actually claimed that. They are trying to selectively use words to make people infer things that they're not even actually explicitly claiming.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah, yeah. And we're going to have to get more details and we're gonna have to wait to see exactly what happened. But what the evidence supports right now is that ICE shot someone who was doing rapid response work. And it is frankly a miracle that she wasn't severely injured or killed. And this is again the second time they have done this since ICE's deployment in, in the city. The first time they did just straight up kill a man. So we'll be following the story as as it develops. We'll be following the continued actions of ICE in Chicago and other places. Yeah, and we will continue to talk about stuff after these ads.

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All I know is what I've been.

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[Maggie Freeling]

For almost a decade, the murder of an 18 year old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[Benny Johnson]

I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her.

[Maggie Freeling]

We know a story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national tv.

[James Stout]

Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran.

[Maggie Freeling]

My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist producer and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find.

[Garrison Davis]

I did not know her and I did not kill her or rape or burn or any of that other stuff that y' all said.

[Robert Evans]

They literally made me say that I.

[Maggie Freeling]

Took a match and struck and threw it on her.

[Robert Evans]

They made me say that I poured gas on her.

[Maggie Freeling]

From lava for good. This is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame.

[James Stout]

America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns.

[Maggie Freeling]

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[Ed Helms]

Hey, it's Ed Helms. And welcome back to Snafu, my podcast about history's greatest screw ups. On our new season, we're bringing you a new snafu. Every single episode.

[Benny Johnson]

32 lost nuclear weapons.

[Garrison Davis]

You're like, wait, stop.

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What?

[Garrison Davis]

Ernie Shackleton sounds like a solid 70s.

[Ed Helms]

Basketball player who still wore knee pads.

[James Stout]

Yes.

[Ed Helms]

It's going to be a whole lot of history, a whole lot of funny, and a whole lot of guests. The great Paul Scheer made me feel good. I'm like, oh, wow, Angela and Jenna, I am so psyched you're here.

[James Stout]

What was that like for you to soft launch into the show?

[Ed Helms]

Sorry, Jenna, I'll be asking the questions today.

[James Stout]

I forgot whose podcast we were doing.

[Ed Helms]

Nick Kroll. I hope this story is good enough to get you to toss that sandwich. So let's see how it goes. Listen to season four of SNAFU with Ed Helms on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Aaron Manke]

There's a vile sickness in Abbas Town. You must excise it. Dig into the deep earth and cut it out. The village is ravaged. Entire families have been consumed.

[Benny Johnson]

You know how waking up from a.

[James Stout]

Dream, a familiar place can look completely alien. Get back, everyone.

[Aaron Manke]

And if you see the devil walking around inside of another man, you must cut out the very heart of him, burn his body, and scatter the ashes in the furthest corner of this town.

[Narrator (Havoc Town)]

As a warning from iHeart podcasts and grim and mild from Aaron Manke, this is Havoc Town, a new fiction podcast set in the Bridgewater audio universe, starring Jewel State and Ray Wise. Listen to Havoc town on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Aaron Manke]

The devil walks in Abbostown.

[James Stout]

All right, and we are back. Mia was talking about rapid responders there and I want to talk a little bit about one of the tools that they were using, which was called People Over Papers. There are many of these apps that have sprung up since the January of this year, right? Since we saw much more visible immigration enforcement on the streets. Padlet, which was the, I guess bulletin board type service that was People over Papers relied on, has removed People over Papers, right? Padlets say it violated their terms of service. The removal comes just a few days after a Laura Loomer tweet which tagged the CEO, claimed that People over Papers was violating the terms of service by, quote, harassment, stalking, privacy violations, inciting violence and other unlawful activity. Luma therei is noting things in the terms of service that she perceives people to be doing with people over papers. Right. Yeah. This has happened after the another of these apps, ICE Block, was removed from App stores last week. Also involved some Luma posting. Notably Trisha McLaughlin, the DHS assistant secretary for Public affairs has claimed, and this is in contravention of what's widely held to be court precedent and the law. She has claimed that videotaping ICE agents is doxing them. And separately, Kristy Noem has claimed that doxxing is an act of violence. We can join the two dots there. Videotaping ICE agents is an act of violence seems to be what's being suggested here. We can see the consequences of this argument in the deportation of Atlanta area report on Mario Guevara. Mario was held for more than 100 days in detention. He was arrested a no Kings Day protest, if you can remember, back when people were doing those things. But the charges against him were dropped. However, since then, the government has argued that his filming of law enforcement constitutes a threat to public safety. Murray has now been deported back to El Salvador. He's an Atlanta area reporter. And like, I guess to editorialize, it would be really nice to see a fraction of the advocacy we saw for Jimmy Kimmel as someone who's actually doing reporting.

[Robert Evans]

Right.

[James Stout]

Not just trying to be funny.

[Robert Evans]

He's not as big as Jimmy Kimmel, doesn't have as many followers.

[James Stout]

Yeah, yeah. But he's also been sent to El Salvador, whereas Jimmy Kimmel was sent back.

[Garrison Davis]

To his mansion in Hollywood.

[James Stout]

Yeah, exactly. For like less than a week. So I'm going to link in the show notes both to an advocacy campaign and the Freedom of the Press foundation piece about Mario and you guys can can check that out if you'd like to. Second character for this week is Tom Homan. You guys will remember Tom Homan. Borders are a guy who famously, well, relatively recently has become famous for seemingly accepting a bag with $50,000 of cash in it in an FBI sting operation. Let's play this clip of Pam Bondi who is answering questions in front of Congress here about what happened to the literal bag of cash.

[Aaron Manke]

What became of the $50,000 in cash that the FBI paid to Mr. Homan in a paper bag, evidently.

[Garrison Davis]

Oh my God. Tom and Jerry. Ass.

[James Stout]

She's looking through her notes right now. She's selected a page senator.

[Benny Johnson]

As Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch recently stated, the investigation of Mr. Holman was subjected to a full review by the FBI agents and DOJ prosecutors. They found no credible evidence of any.

[Aaron Manke]

Wrongdoing and that was not my question. My question was, what became of the $50,000 in cash that the FBI delivered, evidently in a paper bag, to Mr. Homan?

[Benny Johnson]

Senator, I'd look at your facts.

[Aaron Manke]

Are you saying that they did not deliver $50,000 in cash to Mr. Homan?

[Benny Johnson]

Senator, as recently stated, the investigation of Mr. Homan was. Was subjected to a full review question by FBI agents. That's a different question. Department of justice prosecutors, they found no evidence of wrongdoing.

[Aaron Manke]

That's a different question. What became of the $50,000? Did the FBI get it back?

[Benny Johnson]

Mr. Whitehouse. Excuse me, Senator Whitehouse, you're welcome to talk to the FBI.

[Aaron Manke]

The report to you. Can't you answer this question?

[Garrison Davis]

First of all, this guy's name is Mr. Whitehouse.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[James Stout]

This guy's name is Senator Whitehouse. Garrison.

[Garrison Davis]

That surely is a little confusing.

[James Stout]

Yeah, maybe he gets some emails for the wrong person. Sheldon Whitehouse, apparently, is his first name.

[Robert Evans]

Theoretically, if he got a job for the administration, his email would be whitehouseitehouse.gov.

[James Stout]

Yes.

[Garrison Davis]

That's cool.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[James Stout]

Unfortunately, it doesn't look like that's going to happen, given the line of questioning that he pursued here. But, yeah, you can hear, right? She seems to be unwilling to answer where the paper bag of cash money of $50,000. Yeah. Has gone. Incredible stuff.

[Robert Evans]

Look, it's easier to lose that than you'd think.

[James Stout]

One would assume that the FBI would have some kind of tracking capability when giving someone $50,000 in a paper bag, but here we are.

[Robert Evans]

Maybe it's a no country for all mint kind of situation. Whoever found it was smart enough to dump the transponder first. We will probably never know if they're smart.

[James Stout]

Yeah, well, building on that, what ProPublica is now reporting is that Homan went into business with a Pennsylvania consultant named Charles Sowell, and that Sowell has been offering consults on how to obtain contracts at Department of Homeland Security. So Homan consulted for Sowell's firm during the Biden administration. And during that same period, Searle became the chair of Homan's Border 911 Foundation. According to their reporting, ProPublica has called into question the extent to which Homan has actually recused himself from contracts, saying that he participated in meetings with executives about government contracting plans. So normally, a government official would be bound to steer clear of their former business associates for at least a year when they enter office. Right. I can't, like, consult for Garrison, Inc. And then become procurement for DHS and immediately buy a thousand of whatever Garrison Inc. Is selling. You can. You can tag Garrison on Blue sky, where they will read what you think they're selling.

[Garrison Davis]

If this will result in me getting $50,000 in a paper bag, then, you.

[James Stout]

Know, maybe, yeah, in this instance, I would be the one getting the $50,000 from Garrison Inc. In return for buying whatever it is that you are selling. Orbs, maybe.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah. That's not a great deal.

[James Stout]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, seems like it was a great deal in this instance for Tom Homan.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[James Stout]

Well, their reporting suggests that Herman went from a relatively modest income in 2017 to being a multimillionaire by the time he filed his 2025 disclosure documents. When you assume federal office, you have to file these disclosure documents, disclose your assets. Guess the famous one is Jimmy Carter's peanut farm. But it seems that during that time, his personal net worth increased significantly. Right. He did a lot of consulting. He became like a talking head on Fox News in the Biden administration. It's difficult to summarize the intricacies of the story. I'd encourage you to read it. For instance, there was a third person called Mark hall, who appears to be doing some work on behalf of Homan, but also retaining relationship with Sowell's clients. It looks a lot like what's happening is that the people who Homan had been doing consulting with are now trying to make money, saying that they have special access to DHF based off that consulting. This kind of builds on some of the stuff that we'd already seen and spoken about last week. Right. Finally, on the immigration beat, I want to talk about a case where the petitioner's attorney has stated that the petitioner. I'm not going to name the person. I don't think it's necessary. Was taken to hospital by CBP after they severely injured his leg on a raid in a car wash in Carson, California. He was booked into the hospital under a pseudonym and kept there under armed guard from August 27th until October 4th.

[Mia Wong]

Jesus Christ.

[James Stout]

Yeah. So this person, they weren't coming up in the detainee locator. Right. They hadn't apparently been allocated an A number, which is what you would normally use to look someone up on the ice. Detainee locator. And I guess the argument there was that they weren't booked in until they left the hospital. So this person basically disappeared for more than a month. The judge has granted that petitioner attentive restraining order in that instance. Right. But I think I have been receiving a lot of messages about a Chicago older person who was detained by ICE at a hospital. And I have seen a number of reports that suggest that that's because ICE were detaining people in the hospital. To my knowledge, the only person they detained in the hospital was the older person. They were not detaining patients at the hospital. They were there because they had brought somebody to the hospital in order for that person to be a patient, because that person was in their detention, in their care and needed medical assistance. I have seen outlets, I don't, should I name them, like Democracy now got this wrong and said that they were arresting people. So Democracy now is one example. I have seen outlets reporting this as ICE were in the hospital detaining people. Nothing I have seen leads me to believe that and lots of things I have seen lead me not to believe. That doesn't mean it's great for the people who are brought into hospital by ice. I'm sure it fucking sucks. I'm sure it has a chilling effect on other people going to hospital to know that they are there. But so does reporting that suggests that you can be picked up in hospital if you're an inpatient or if you're in the emergency room. That stops people accessing medical care. That actively puts people in danger. We need to be really, really fucking careful when sharing this shit. Yeah, that includes people who are journalists or claiming to be journalists.

[Robert Evans]

People are so upset, rightly so, with what ICE is doing that there, there can be this attitude, and I've encountered it before, of like, well, by under cautioning people, that's the biggest risk. And it's like not when we're talking about whether or not people go to the hospital for life saving care. Like not. I'm sorry, it's just not like these are not equivalent risks. More people are going to be in a position where they would be scared off from going to the hospital and not in any danger from ICE going to it than might possibly be in danger going to the hospital. Like you were just endangering people by trying to get them to believe it is not safe for them to go receive life saving emergency medical care at this stage. Now is it possible that's going to change? Good God. I'm certainly not going to say no. Right? I'm certainly not going to say no.

[James Stout]

100%.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, but that's not where we are right now. Just over cautioning people is not a net good in this instance.

[James Stout]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Robert Evans]

Sometimes it is, but not here because again, if people don't go to the hospital on time, they die.

[James Stout]

Yeah, yeah. And I'm Aware of cases where people with, with genuinely life threatening medical emergencies have. Have been had to be persuaded to go to the hospital by people. Right. Because they had seen this. Because these rumors don't just spread via social media, but also by WhatsApp groups and things. And it can be very scary for people.

[Robert Evans]

Well. And people largely construct their beliefs on reality by like, what the weight of the people that they know directly or follow are saying is true.

[James Stout]

Yeah.

[Robert Evans]

And when you see 50 people, some of whom you kind of know, some of whom you've at least followed to an extent online, all say this is unsafe, then there's a tendency to get really angry when people are like, well, I don't know, maybe it isn't actually.

[James Stout]

Yeah. Like, I mean, like, I. I care about the safety of migrants in this country. I think anyone who looked at the totality of my work would believe that. Right. It's ludicrous to suggest otherwise. That means I want them to go to hospital when they're fucking sick. And that means that people who are saying things that are not true. I understand why.

[Robert Evans]

Right.

[James Stout]

It lines up with the other things that we know to be true. ICE is doing terrible shit. Shit is terrible. But it is still an area where we need to exercise extreme caution when reporting on things until we know that it is true that I'm coming into hospital and taking people out of the beds, which, again, not a thing that I think is happening. Let's pivot a little bit to public lands. Something that I think about a lot, but we don't always report on here. But that I think is very important. I want to talk about the roadless rule today. So September saw the end of the comment period. It was a very short comment period on the Trump administration's proposal to rescind the roadless rule. The roadless rule, if you're not familiar, protects over 58.8 million acres of national forest land from road building, logging and other industrial activity. According to the center for Western priorities, 99% of the comments submitted, of which there were more than 180,000, were opposed to rescinding the rule.

[Garrison Davis]

Right.

[James Stout]

The Redis rule has previously had broader bipartisan support. It was not a particularly controversial thing. Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins announced a proposal early in the summer saying it would increase logging and decrease wildfire risk. Research suggests that the opposite is true. Cutting roads into forests provides more ignition opportunities. Right. By allowing people to go into those forests, you allow those people to do things which lead to fires happening.

[Robert Evans]

Right.

[James Stout]

Their cars overheat, they smoke cigarettes, they Fucking shoot steel targets in the middle of the summer.

[Robert Evans]

I mean we just had a guy brought in for the Palisade fires and he was like a 29 year old Uber driver who was having clearly a bad mental health day. Called in after he set a fire, but kind of made weird denials about it and like fled to Florida. And it kind of just looks like he was listening to a song where there were people lighting fires and decided to light a fire. And it got way out of control way too quickly.

[James Stout]

Yeah.

[Robert Evans]

And it wasn't even the same night. Like it took like a week because like they put out the initial fire but it kept burning through thick underbrush which eventually got reacted caught. That's my understanding based on the articles that I've read. But like, yeah, I mean in that case it's just a guy who's not super.

[James Stout]

Well, yeah, sure. And like the other thing that cutting rose will do is it will change the foliage.

[Robert Evans]

Right.

[James Stout]

You'll cut down the big trees and you'll have smaller shrubs and those are easier to burn, the big trees. Right. The Wilderness Society has some data on this. I think they found that forests with roads were four times more likely to have fires. I will link to that Wilderness Society data. The roadless rule was passed under the Clinton admin and it's being rescinded as part of a March executive order which sought to increase U.S. timber production. I want to note that there will not be guys with chainsaws rolling into your favorite national forest like next week or next month. Right. Like building these roads would have to be financed by the United States Forest Service, which is of course currently. Well, if you go on the Forest Service website, it'll tell you that radical left Democrats have shut down the federal government right now in a pop up.

[Robert Evans]

We did it, guys.

[James Stout]

Yeah. So the Forest Service finally coming out against the woke left. But yeah, the Forest Service would have to finance these and it's currently understaffed because of the voluntary and doge based layoffs. It's not particularly well funded. I don't see the Forest Service going in for a lot of road construction. But I might be wrong. Trump Kelly seems to see not importing timber as a major issue. I'm not quite sure why. Like I guess this was an issue in Britain when they had to respond to the Spanish Armada. Cut down a lot of trees back then. Not familiar with other very, very similar security issue. I think we can agree, right? The Spanish.

[Garrison Davis]

I mean, I'm just excited that now I can finally drive my ATV through these you know, environmentally protected areas.

[Robert Evans]

God damn right, Garrison.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah, without getting harassed by the parks.

[James Stout]

Yeah, they better woke left.

[Robert Evans]

I'm going to be the drunkest guy on an ATV in Joshua Tree. I'm going to drive straight for the biggest tree I can find. Anything over a thousand years old is fair game for my bumper.

[James Stout]

Baby sit close to home, man. If I see anyone, I'm sorry, James.

[Garrison Davis]

James is seething right now.

[Robert Evans]

James is going to fucking cut me.

[James Stout]

I have genuine. If I see anyone stealing or destroying a Joshua tree, I will insult.

[Robert Evans]

I would never harm a Joshua tree. I would never harm a Joshua tree. There's one kind of tree I will harm indiscriminately and it's a Tree of Paradise. But that's good for the environment. Fuck those trees. Kill them wherever you find them.

[James Stout]

I think the only Joshua Tree it's okay to hate is the album by U2.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, that's also burn every copy of the album. Joshua Tree.

[James Stout]

Yeah, I'm okay with. Destroy it. Erase it from the earth.

[Robert Evans]

Run over those with an atv.

[James Stout]

Yeah, I wouldn't mind if that became extinct. Why not? Yeah. Mia, do you want to talk about tariffs? We're talking about timber. And of course there has been recently a tariff on Canadian lumber woke trees coming in from our neighbors to the north. Sorry. Perhaps that's why we need to destroy our national forest.

[Robert Evans]

I mean, Canada kind of is destroying theirs and they still have trees to export.

[James Stout]

Yeah, I do. I guess. One thing I haven't said about public land, that you should always say when you're talking about public land, is that it's all native land, actually. And the framing of public land is a place for white folks to recreate. It's not the correct framing. It's not how we win this fight.

[Garrison Davis]

No.

[Robert Evans]

And you should also, if you care about not just the damage that fires do, but conservation in general. And you ever get the opportunity to go through, like up here in the Pacific Northwest, you can go through chunks of the forest that are managed by the state and that are managed by the Bureau of Land Management. And then you can go through chunks of forests that are managed by the indigenous communities. And the way in which forests are managed is very different.

[James Stout]

Yeah.

[Robert Evans]

And different in a way that one is the right way to do it and the other two aren't.

[James Stout]

Right. Yeah, the other two. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is land that was all stolen from its indigenous stewards by means of genocide. And we should give it back.

[Robert Evans]

And it's not just a matter of. That's the Right thing to say, but also that is the right way to preserve those lands.

[James Stout]

Yeah. The people who have been in stewardship of those lands so much longer than America has been a country.

[Robert Evans]

Anyway, watch The, I think, 1991 movie Clear Cut, which is set in Canada, but a fucking banger. Real good movie. Check it out.

[James Stout]

I don't know if those two things are compatible. What, Canada and a Bangor? Yeah.

[Garrison Davis]

Hey, come on.

[Robert Evans]

It's good.

[James Stout]

Okay, I'll watch it.

[Robert Evans]

It's about an indigenous activist and a white lawyer who.

[Garrison Davis]

You don't like Cronenberg. James, the white lawyer is what's wrong with him?

[James Stout]

It's Cronenberg's a beer.

[Robert Evans]

He's fighting this Canadian. Canadians make great movies. It's really good. It's about this, like. Okay, I'll watch liberal white lawyer who's fighting like a logging company and this indigenous activist who takes him and kidnaps the head of the logging company and takes them into the forest. And that's all I'll tell you about the movie. It is a fucking banger.

[Garrison Davis]

I don't go on this podcast and.

[James Stout]

Make fun of your home country, Garrison Davis. That is not easy.

[Robert Evans]

You will all, by the way, like Clear Cut. Watch that fucking movie.

[James Stout]

It rips. Yeah.

[Garrison Davis]

Tariff talk.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[James Stout]

What movie Tariff. Look at that for fucking segue.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[James Stout]

Rocky, Caspar, Tyree.

[Benny Johnson]

Rocket, Casper.

[James Stout]

Rocket, Caspar.

[Mia Wong]

Okay, lightning round. We have two. We have two pivot points here. We're going to go for the timber pivot instead of the movie pivot. Okay, so lightning round. Trump is imposing a 10% tariff on softwood lumber, a 25% tariff on upholstered furniture, and 25% tariff on kitchen cabinets and vanities.

[Garrison Davis]

IKEA is seething. IKEA is.

[James Stout]

The entire chaise long industry is collapsing in Canada as we speak.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah. So this is. This is going to be in effect October 14th.

[James Stout]

Get him now.

[Mia Wong]

And then also, these tariffs are scheduled to increase at the beginning of next year. The upholstered furniture tariffs are increasing to 30% and the kitchen cabinet and vanity tariffs are increasing to 50% at the beginning of next year.

[Robert Evans]

Oh, yeah.

[James Stout]

The idea that there's a vanity tariff is very funny to me. Like, not as a noun, but just like, as a concept. Vain people.

[Mia Wong]

These are nominally lumber industry tariffs. I think there's some kind of housing development brain inside of Trump's head rattling around as to why there's suddenly tariffs on vanities and upholstered furniture. Who knows? Baffling. The Canadian government has been attempting to lift the tariffs. It has not worked Negotiations once again failed today, which is October 8th.

[Garrison Davis]

Okay.

[Mia Wong]

Bouncing from that to something that's also very important. Well, actually way significantly more important. So one of the issues with the current government shutdown is the threat to the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children, which is normally called wic. WIC funding is extraordinarily important because it feeds several million people. And, okay, this story is very, very weird because we haven't gotten any direct thing about how this would work outside of just the press secretary saying it. But the press secretary is saying that Trump is going to fund this program with the money from one of the tariff programs.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[Mia Wong]

Now, it is worth noting that this is just very unconstitutional. Exceptionally unconstitutional is a violation of the part of the separation of power where they say that Congress is the thing that levies taxes and decides where the money goes. But it's also. It's not clear if this is even happening or how it could even remotely happen. But it is being reported WIC has been a program that Trump has been using to push his narrative about the government shut down.

[James Stout]

Yeah, I think 40% of children are on WIC right now. Like, this is an extremely important program. It's one of those things where, like, again, there was complete bipartisan support, apart aside from complete lunatics, until very, like, you would never have heard, like, a fuck WIC statement. It's done, done a lot of good for a lot of people who need a lot of help. I did see a statement from the WIC Council that basically asserted that, like, look, we'd be excited if, if you would keep us, keep WIC funded, but using tariff money is not a sustainable or reliable approach to do this. Just fund it by playing for government programs in the youthful way.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[Mia Wong]

So the other major tariff news that we have is basically for the last couple of weeks, Trump has been threatening to impose 100% tariffs on pharmaceuticals. This was originally supposed to go into effect on October 1st. And then Trump started cutting a bunch of deals with drug manufacturers to exchange sort of lower price agreements. And also, and this is the major significant element, as we've seen, with a whole bunch of companies that have made deals with Trump, pledges of large scale investments in US Manufacturing and production. These tariffs have sort of been staved off. And the administration is now saying that they won't do it because they don't need to, because they have research evidence for drug companies. Pfizer was the first major company to sign a deal. This has been part of an initiative called Trump Rx, which is supposedly coming in 2026, man.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah.

[Mia Wong]

And the plan is to have direct to consumer drug sales by forcing these companies to give the US Most favored nation status, which like, basically the thrust of this is giving specifically this Trump RX thing, the prices that these drug companies charge to undeveloped countries, however, comma, and this is extremely important and not being reported very much. Trump rx, assuming this comes program comes into being, you can't use insurance on it. It is only. You can only buy drugs off there. You would only be able to buy drugs off there without insurance. So it probably doesn't lower your drug costs at all if you have really any kind of insurance.

[James Stout]

Certainly lowers the cost your insurance company has to pay. Right. Like if you're insured badly.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah, right. You know, and so the actual good that this could even potentially do, I think is very, very limited. Yeah, but that's, that's sort of what's going on. This is the part of the initiative. If you see people talking about how he's lowering drug prices, it's specifically for this weird Trump RX thing, which again, you can't use insurance to use. There's been a few other tariffs that he's talked about and I kind of want to set a spectrum of how real a tariff is because there's a whole bunch of different kinds of terrorists that Trump announces and then nothing happens on. So for example, you can have a kind of tariff where he announces it on social media, but there's no date.

[Robert Evans]

Right.

[Mia Wong]

So 100% tariff on foreign made movies. This is the second time he's talked about it. There's never been a date attached to it. It seems to be something that he tweets about and then forgets about. It never happens. On the more real end, there are tariffs like the one that is currently being proposed is 25% tariff on heavy trucks. That's supposed to go into effect on November 1, but there is no executive order. So that one we can't treat as real as for example the lumber tariffs which have an executive order. Although also again, you have to wait for these to actually go into effect, which would be category sort of three and four are, is there an executive order? And has the date of the executive order doing the thing past. So we have a couple of floating tariffs. From there we have those 25% tariffs on heavy trucks which is supposed to go into effect November 1st, assuming there's an executive order. We have this film tariff, which is.

[Garrison Davis]

The scariest tariff by far. 100% tariffs on foreign made films.

[James Stout]

What are they Tariffing.

[Robert Evans]

Time to hoist the black flag again, my friend.

[Mia Wong]

No one has any idea what that means.

[Garrison Davis]

We have no clue.

[Mia Wong]

Absolutely not.

[Garrison Davis]

We have no clue how this would work.

[James Stout]

No detail. Baffled. Okay.

[Mia Wong]

He just said 100% on foreign films.

[James Stout]

Okay, Sick. Good. I'm glad that everyone's equally clear on that.

[Robert Evans]

Get back to torrenting, people.

[Mia Wong]

I think the final thing we should talk about is. So on November 5, the Supreme Court is going to start hearing the case against a bunch of the tariffs that Trump has been doing. We've talked about this before. The Trump administration has also stated that even if these tariffs are found unconstitutional, they are going to continue to apply tariffs themselves using other laws.

[James Stout]

That's good.

[Mia Wong]

Even if they lose the Supreme Court case, that doesn't mean that all the tariffs are suddenly just not going to happen anymore. He will probably try to reimpose a whole bunch of them under different tariff authority and we'll go through this whole process again. But yeah, this is. This has been. This has been tariff talk.

[Robert Evans]

Great.

[James Stout]

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