Executive Disorder: White House Weekly #38

Summary

It Could Happen Here: "Executive Disorder: White House Weekly #38"

Date: October 24, 2025
Hosts: Robert Evans, Garrison Davis, Mia Wong, James Stout, Michael Lewis
Podcast: Cool Zone Media / iHeartPodcasts

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Overview

This episode of "Executive Disorder" offers a satirical yet unflinching recap of the latest week in U.S. national politics, with a special focus on the repercussions of the ongoing government shutdown, the demolition of the White House’s East Wing, escalating food insecurity, troubling right-wing rhetoric, ICE’s weapons procurement panic, renewed U.S.-China trade war escalations, and more. The hosts dissect sensational news coverage, clarify widespread misinformation, and provide context and commentary around trending stories, while keeping the tone irreverent but incisive.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. White House Chaos & Shutdown Update

[03:13–04:29]

• The week covers October 15–22, plus catch-up from a recent government shutdown-related hiatus.
• Trump is demolishing the East Wing of the White House for a $250M privately funded ballroom.
  • James Stout jokes: “Now James’s people can finally shake hands with the United States government in destroying large portions of the White House.” [04:01]
  • Robert Evans dryly references that demolition is even using a Volvo excavator (not American-made). [04:13]
• The shutdown is entering its fourth week, with SNAP benefits (food stamps) set to expire on November 1. No end in sight.

2. SNAP Benefits Crisis & Food Insecurity

[04:32–07:45]

• Millions face potential loss of SNAP benefits, heightening risk of mass food insecurity and instability.
  • Michael Lewis emphasizes: “We are coming to a very, very critical moment in terms of wide scale food insecurity in this country for a whole bunch of the most vulnerable people in the country.” [05:37]
  • “The people who are going to lose food are disproportionately non-white, queer, and very disproportionately trans,” Michael Lewis adds [06:38], highlighting deeper systemic injustices.
  • James Stout warns, “If you're looking at predictors of violent instability in countries, mass starvation is top of the list.” [07:11]

3. Trump Seeks $230 Million Payout

[07:46–08:39]

• Trump is seeking $230M from the Justice Department as compensation for investigations into him, stating the money will go to “charity.”
  • Mia Wong notes, “In the end, it will be him making the final call on this, which he says he feels strange about.” [08:28]
  • Michael Lewis: “We’ve just fully entered the looting the storehouse as part of the regime.” [08:32]

4. Weapons–Grade Plutonium & AI

[08:45–09:18]

• Satirical aside on government proposals to let AI companies access weapons-grade plutonium.
  • James Stout deadpans: “That's what I trust. Sam Altman with weapons grade plutonium.” [08:53]
  • Michael Lewis: “Hopefully the AI bubble collapses before they get weapons grades.” [09:00]

5. Russia Sanctions & Ukraine Peace Talks Breakdown

[09:23–09:43]

• U.S. sanctions two of Russia’s largest oil companies after Putin backs out of Ukraine peace negotiations; tensions are rising ahead of planned (now-cancelled) Trump-Putin meetings.

6. ICE Weapons Procurement: Setting the Record Straight

[09:43–19:52]

• Viral reports falsely claim ICE is purchasing "guided missiles" and "chemical weapons."
• James Stout corrects the record: ICE is buying more conventional weaponry (AR-style rifles, body armor, “distraction devices” e.g., flashbangs), not actual missiles or chemical arms.
  • Robert Evans explains: “The contract with the guided missile product or service code very clearly states it is for multiple distraction devices... The chemical weapons? It was OC spray. It was pepper spray.” [12:12]
  • James Stout: “A distraction device...is a grenade that makes a loud noise to distract people.” [13:00]
• The real issue is ICE’s ongoing militarization and increase in weapon stocks—not sci-fi arsenal.
• Discussion on how media incentives and lack of editorial oversight (on platforms like Substack) can lead to misinformation.
  • Robert Evans: “The way we build trust in the media is through openness.” [14:44]

Notable Media Critique

• James Stout on journalistic standards: “A major thing editors do is point out...hey, it looks like somebody just fucked up putting in a code. We need to check on this so we can state it to a point of certainty. That’s what an editor should be doing, right?” [18:08]

7. National Guard, Marines' 250th, and Bizarre Incidents

[26:38–32:06]

• Updates on legal developments: The 9th Circuit Court lifts limits, allowing possible use of Oregon’s National Guard by federal authorities.
• Marines’ 250th celebration incident: A 155mm howitzer shell prematurely detonates, damaging a car assigned to VP JD Vance’s security.
  • Hosts lampoon the use of satirical military video game music at official events.

8. DHS Deportation Numbers & Disinformation via "GROK"

[32:06–33:39]

• DHS inflates deportation stats, including airport turnarounds and interdictions, and promotes dubious “self-deported” figures rooted in data from hate group-adjudicated think tanks.
• AI chatbot GROK is “heavily weighted” with anti-immigrant think tank data.
  • “I don’t know if they straight up just said like, yeah, the CIS is your source for information when they were programming it to be less woke... but it seems to be the CIS seems to be heavily weighed in the GROK algorithm these days,” Robert Evans [33:14]

9. TPUSA’s "All American Halftime Show" & Right-Wing Media

[34:54–36:24]

• Turning Point USA is launching an "All American Halftime Show" alternative after Bad Bunny is announced as Super Bowl headliner, soliciting audience input on “anything in English” as a genre.
  • James Stout jokes: “I love anything in English as a genre.” [35:27]
• Satirical ideas fly: “They had a separate Super Bowl in which Ben Shapiro faces off alone against the Philadelphia Eagles...” [35:42]

10. Right-Wing Infiltration, Surveillance & Crackdown on Activists

[36:24–43:47]

• Trump hosts an “Antifa round table” with far-right personalities (Jack Posobiec, Andy Ngo, etc.), normalizing demonization of political opponents as “terrorists.”
  • James Stout: “This is worrisome...these idiots are getting to speak this close to power about their theory...everyone they don’t like...is part of a terrorist organization and should be put in prison or executed.” [37:56]
• Warnings: Increased infiltration of leftist spaces, undercover recordings at book fairs and panels intended to frame activists as violent extremists.
  • Robert Evans: “Anything you are saying or at a public event...assume that’s being recorded and... used to destroy people’s lives." [41:07]
• Discussion of how “Riot Inc.” conspiracy claims are laying legal and rhetorical foundations for RICO or cartel-style prosecution of left-wing groups.

11. Trade War with China Heats Up

[54:16–63:39]

• Trump administration resumes and drastically escalates trade restrictions/tariffs on China, targeting state-connected enterprises and rare earth metals.
  • Michael Lewis: “China refines 99% of the world’s dysprosium...The capacitors are made from ultra pure dysprosium, which is extremely difficult to refine. A single refinery in Wuxi, near Shanghai produces the entire world’s supply.” [56:38]
• New tariffs, port fees, and potential catastrophic knock-on effects for global supply chains.
  • Michael Lewis: “These port fees are already, in effect.” [58:44]
• Consideration of banning all exports of U.S.-made software to China.
• Fallout: Trump angers base (soybean farmers, ranchers), launches trade offensive even as U.S. military/industrial sectors rely on the same Chinese materials.

12. Nazi/White Supremacist Discord in GOP Youth & Mainstream

[63:43–71:40]

• Politico exposes Nazi rhetoric, rape references, and Holocaust fantasies in NY Young Republican telegram chats.
• Elise Stefanik, Matt Walsh, and VP JD Vance respond by downplaying, deflecting, or outright defending the men involved, characterizing them as “kids.”
  • Vance: “We’re not going to allow the worst moment in a 21-year-old’s group chat to ruin a kid’s life for the rest of time.” [66:03]
• Hosts point out these "kids" are mostly in their 30s and 40s, and are actually responsible for policy in the GOP.
  • Michael Lewis: “Are just Nazis. They’re just Nazis. And every time one of these group chats comes out, it looks like this. And that's a really significant factor in why American politics looks like this.” [69:26]
  • Discussion of "post-ironic" or memetic Nazi symbolism and its diffusion into public agencies (citing ICE recruiting ads and dhs Twitter “dog whistles”).

13. Alaska Native Climate Refugees & Call to Action

[71:47–74:38]

• A typhoon devastates remote Alaska Native villages—now climate refugees at the start of winter.
• Trump EPA recently canceled a $20M flood protection grant.
  • “These villages are very remote...these guys are really only accessible by small planes or by boats...their inhabitants are now climate refugees. At the very start of winter, right in the coldest place in the United States.” James Stout [71:47]
• Appeal to listeners: Donate to relief, linked in show notes. “Recovery for these people with this federal government...will be horrifically difficult.” [74:10]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• James Stout (on White House demolition):
  • “Now James’s people can finally shake hands with the United States government in destroying large portions of the White House.” [04:01]
• Michael Lewis (on food insecurity):
  • “We are coming to a very, very critical moment in terms of wide scale food insecurity...for a whole bunch of the most vulnerable people in the country. And yeah, this is a good moment for—if you have actual access to food, which is a very, very bleak thing to be saying...” [05:37]
• Robert Evans (on ICE arms hysteria):
  • “The contract with the guided missile product or service code very clearly states it is for multiple distraction devices. Yeah, it's a contract with a company called Quantico Tactical... The chemical weapons, it was OC spray. It was pepper spray.” [12:12]
• James Stout (on fact-checking):
  • “A major thing editors do is point out...hey, it looks like somebody just fucked up putting in a code.” [18:08]
• Michael Lewis (on Republican policy staffers):
  • “And these are a bunch of people who are also making White House policy. You know, Stephen Miller...are just Nazis. They're just Nazis. And every time one of these group chats comes out, it looks like this.” [69:26]
• James Stout (on Alaska disaster):
  • “It’s an unmitigated disaster. So if you’re able to help, I think it would be very much appreciated.” [74:10]
• Robert Evans (on public events):
  • “Assume that’s being recorded and that people will be pulling out the worst parts they can from it and trying to use that to destroy people’s lives.” [41:07]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |------------|-------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:13 | Restart after ad break, shutdown catch-up | | 04:32 | SNAP/food insecurity crisis update | | 06:38 | Disproportionate impact on non-white, queer, and trans people | | 08:28 | Trump’s $230M Justice Department payout | | 09:43 | ICE weapons budget panic, correcting the record | | 12:12 | “Guided missile contracts” are just distraction devices | | 18:08 | Importance of editorial fact checking | | 26:38 | National Guard developments, Marines' 250th birthday incident | | 32:06 | DHS deportation # disinfo, GROK and CIS | | 34:54 | TPUSA alternative Super Bowl halftime show | | 36:24 | Far-right/antifa roundtable, crackdown & infiltrations | | 41:07 | Security warnings for activists in public | | 54:16 | Major escalation in U.S.-China trade war, rare earths, tariffs | | 63:43 | NY Young Republican Nazi chat leak, GOP downplaying response | | 69:26 | Nazis in staff roles, effect on GOP and American politics | | 71:47 | Alaska Native climate refugee update and aid appeal |

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Tone and Style

The episode deftly balances detailed analysis and grave warnings with the hosts’ hallmark irreverence, sarcasm, and dark humor, reflecting the bizarre reality of modern U.S. politics. The tone mixes righteous anger at injustice, sharp skepticism, and moments of cathartic comic relief.

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Takeaway

The ongoing government shutdown is precipitating major crises for millions of Americans, especially in food security. The militarization of immigration enforcement agencies continues apace beneath a layer of sensationalist misinformation. The trade war with China is reignited with potentially catastrophic global consequences, and right-wing political movements are mainstreaming Nazi-adjacent rhetoric and policies under cover of meme culture and institutional complicity. The episode ends with an urgent call to aid Alaska Native climate refugees—underscoring that, amidst relentless political absurdity, real people are suffering and action is needed.

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Action Items & Resources

• Donate to Alaska Native climate refugee relief (see show notes for link)
• Email the show at [e-mail] for tips or encrypted correspondence

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This summary omits advertisements, intros, outros, and non-content sections; all timestamps are approximate and referenced in MM:SS format.

Transcript

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[James Stout]

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[Mia Wong]

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[Robert Evans]

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[Snacks]

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[Snacks]

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[Robert Evans]

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[James Stout]

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[Robert Evans]

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[Snacks]

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[James Stout]

Cool Zone Media. Welcome back to Ejectorial Dysfunction.

[Mia Wong]

Wait, that's the worst one yet. That's the worst one yet, folks. We did not think it could get worse. And yes, here we are.

[James Stout]

I knew it could get worse.

[Michael Lewis]

Can always get worse.

[Robert Evans]

Oh, quitting our jobs today, this is.

[Mia Wong]

It Could Happen Here. Executive Disorder, our weekly newscast covering what's happening in the White House. The crumbling World and what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis. Today I'm joined by ejaculator in chief. Jesus Christ.

[James Stout]

Wow, Garrison. Wow, Garrison, that's much worse. You made it way worse.

[Robert Evans]

How many of those videos have you not watched, Garrison?

[James Stout]

I think we're all pretty behind on the required trainings.

[Michael Lewis]

My labor conditions are intolerable.

[Mia Wong]

Robert Evans, James Stout, and Mia Wong. This episode we are covering the week of October 15th to October 22nd and a little bit of the week before because we were off in honor of the government shutdown. We ourselves took a week off because.

[Robert Evans]

The CIA stopped paying us.

[James Stout]

That's right. That's right. I've always considered us a branch of the US Government, you know.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, you and half of the anime people on Twitter. Robert Evans. We're back.

[Mia Wong]

I don't know, it feels a little bit weird to be doing this White House weekly episode knowing that there's actually less White House than usual.

[James Stout]

There is.

[Mia Wong]

Trump has begun demolishing the east wing of the White House to build a privately funded $250 million ballroom. And I think we should all have a moment of silence for the east wing.

[James Stout]

Oh, I was going to say a moment of celebration, because now James's people can finally shake hands with the United States government in destroying large portions of the White House.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, I saw it was a Volvo excavator, too. So we also got the Swedes on board, I guess.

[James Stout]

Sure.

[Robert Evans]

Couldn't even find an American excavator. Sad.

[James Stout]

We don't make things in this country anymore.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah, that's because we're still waiting for the tariffs to get fully enacted.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, yeah. Once we get that Swedish tariff on.

[Mia Wong]

We are almost four weeks now into the government shutdown, and there's not really a clear end in sight. And SNAP benefits, food stamps are set to run out in a little over a week on November 1st. Mia, did you want to say something on this?

[Michael Lewis]

Yeah. So we've been seeing sort of tech start to go out to people who are on food assistance in various states. There's one circulating from Minnesota that is saying that the food part of SNAP benefits are. Yeah. Going to shut down in a few days on November 1st when the funding shuts down. This is a critical lifeline for food for an extremely large number of people. And this is also coming in a period where food banks are already being stressed by just the other cuts to SNAP and other other food assistance programs that have already taken place. So, yeah, we're coming to a very, very critical moment in terms of wide Scale food insecurity in this country for a whole bunch of the most vulnerable people in the country. And yeah, this is a good moment for if you have actual access to food, which is a very, very bleak thing to be saying, but you know, something is going to have to try to pick up the slack or a bunch of people aren't going to eat.

[James Stout]

Right.

[Michael Lewis]

And that's probably going to have to be us because it's sure as fuck not going to be the government.

[James Stout]

Yeah, well. And yeah, just the people's need to eat is inelastic.

[Robert Evans]

Just to put some numbers on it. Like snap in 24 was 41.7 people, which is about 12% of the US population.

[Michael Lewis]

Yeah.

[Robert Evans]

This is a massive cliff.

[James Stout]

I mean, it's particularly bad in certain states. For example, Oregon, you know, where I live, is set to lose about three quarters of a million people's SNAP benefits. There are like 4 million people in the state. Yep, yep.

[Michael Lewis]

And it's also like those people are also disproportionately non white and disproportionately queer and very disproportionately trans. Yeah, yeah. And this is something that if straight up the shutdown continues and we don't see SNAP benefits pay out, this could also be a major source of instability because you know, the thing that happens very quickly when suddenly 40 million people don't have food is bread riots. What is going to happen with that is deeply unclear. But yeah, we are heading into an extremely bleak time.

[James Stout]

If you're looking at predictors of violent instability in countries, mass starvation is top of the list.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, yeah, yep.

[Michael Lewis]

Particularly bread riots usually are in sort of the modern era happens with 2 or 300% increases in food prices, usually as a result of sort of IMF structural adjustments. But if there was going to be another one, this would be it. Yeah, yeah. So it's worth sort of being prepared on both ends in terms of feeding people and also. Yeah. With whatever was going to happen if this cuts out.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[Mia Wong]

Meanwhile, during, during all of this, during the shutdown and during a snaps ticking clock, Trump wants his Justice Department to pay himself $230 million in compensation for damages. Coming from past investigations into him seems fair. Trump claims that he will give this money to, quote, unquote, charity. Seems really clear what that means, what charity that will be, how that will really qualify as a charitable donation. But he is currently seeking $230 million of government money to be paid back to himself. In the end, it will be him making the final call on this, which he Says he feels strange about.

[James Stout]

Okay, well, it's good, you know, he's an honest man, you know.

[Robert Evans]

That's great. Yeah.

[Michael Lewis]

Yeah. We've just fully entered the looting the storehouse as part of the regime.

[James Stout]

Yeah.

[Robert Evans]

They've taken a very British approach.

[James Stout]

Looting is, is putting this too mildly.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[Michael Lewis]

Did any of you see the, the article about the plans to, to let AI companies apply to get old weapons grade plutonium to, to fuel the nuclear reactors?

[James Stout]

Good. Seems fine. That's what I trust. Sam Altman, which is weapons grade plutonium. I feel like he's going to use that safely. Yeah.

[Michael Lewis]

Hopefully the AI bubble collapses before they get weapons grades.

[James Stout]

You know what a great attitude to approach having weapons grade plutonium is? Move fast and break things.

[Michael Lewis]

Oh, God.

[Robert Evans]

This is great. It's, it's this week where we're announcing the start of Quds Force AI.

[James Stout]

There we go. Bring it on. Oh, God.

[Mia Wong]

Breaking breaking news. U.S. sanctions have been placed against two of Russia's largest oil companies in an effort to pressure the Ukraine Russia peace deal, which Putin just backed out of negotiations from as there was plans for him and Trump to meet. So that just happened.

[James Stout]

Sexy. Not sexy. So I think one of the first things we want to cover right now, just because this is maybe the number one thing I'm seeing people talk about on social media right now, is there have been articles written about ICE's new weapons budget. Famously, their budget has increased by something like 700%. A huge amount of that's being spent on, you know, bonuses in order to get people to join, cash payments and whatnot, as well as retention bonuses. But a lot more of it's being spent on weapons. And right now the number one thing I'm seeing people freak out about is the supposed idea from these documents that ICE is purchasing guided missiles and chemical weapons. I have heard people say this is ice, which is obviously Trump's ss, you know, making their own Waffen ss, which were the armed units of the ss. I'm seeing a lot of shit like this spread and as James is going to tell you, none of that's true. Yeah, I mean, the fact that ICE has a massive increase in budget and is buying a shitload of weapons is true. But they're not guided missiles.

[Mia Wong]

Heat guided missiles.

[James Stout]

Yeah.

[Robert Evans]

We're not getting a death's head ICE unit.

[Michael Lewis]

Come on.

[Mia Wong]

At the next Canal Street ICE raid, they're going to be launching heat seeking missiles into Chinatown.

[James Stout]

I'm not saying this isn't a problem, but it's not what people are saying it is. Yeah. Sorry, James.

[Robert Evans]

All right. The source of its claim is a substack page called Popular Information run by a guy called Judd Legume. And he has claimed in this piece, I'm just going to quote the. Is has purchased, quote, chemical weapons and quote, guided missile warheads and explosive components. I guess the main thrust of the piece was looking at the fact that I spent $9 million on Geisler pattern rifles. Border Patrol spent more than twice that. He appears to have missed that in his reporting. This reporting is extremely dishonest, to put it mildly. It's either deliberately misleading or massively incompetent. The piece in question doesn't link to the individual contracts, which, like on the face of its bad form.

[James Stout]

Right.

[Robert Evans]

If you're going to be talking about contracts, your contracts are in the public domain. Just link to them. The piece doesn't do that. I went on USASpending.gov and I filtered by contracts that have been awarded by ice. I gave a date range, the date range that pertains to the things being discussed in the article. And then I filtered by the product or service code for chemical weapons and guided missile warheads.

[James Stout]

Right.

[Robert Evans]

Two different product or service codes. Product or service codes are like these, these four digit codes that exist in federal procurement.

[James Stout]

Right.

[Robert Evans]

To. To put things into buckets, basically. And I found the contracts. The contract very clearly states the. The guided missile quote unquote contract. The. The contract with the guided missile product or service code very clearly states it is for multiple distraction devices. Yeah, it's a contract with a company called Quantico Tactical. I did call them yesterday. Something that again, any competent reporter should do before publishing a piece that does not appear to have been done by the substack guy. They gave me an email. I sent an email more than 24 hours ago requesting comment or clarification. Didn't receive a response at the time of us going to press. If I hear back from them before we release this, I will let you all. No, the chemical weapons, it was OC spray. It was pepper spray.

[Michael Lewis]

Right.

[James Stout]

And a distraction device. By the way, folks, this is something like a sonic grenade, which sounds crazy, but it's a grenade that makes a loud noise to distract people.

[Robert Evans]

It's a banger.

[James Stout]

A flashbang is also a distraction device when used the way that they use in riots. It's a little bit of a different thing when you're using one to breach, bang and clear a door or something. But when you're throwing a flashbang at a riot, it's a distraction device because the Goal is you've got a bunch of people moving towards an area you want to stop them from. You distract them by an explosion, you know.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, and it's distracting.

[James Stout]

Yeah, it's also.

[Michael Lewis]

And this is, you know, one of the. One of the frustrating elements about this is that ICE has been using a whole bunch of these to blow down people's doors, and it's really horrible.

[James Stout]

These are problems. It's problems that they're buying all this.

[Michael Lewis]

And no one is talking about it because everyone's focused on this.

[James Stout]

When James put up their initial research just on bluesky and Twitter, I shared it and people were like, it's still a problem. They've got that. They're getting all. Buying all these new weapons. Do you not care about. Yes, I care about that. You're not talking about that.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, we care about the.

[James Stout]

We're talking about a fantasy.

[Robert Evans]

And, like, it is bad that ICE has flashbangs and pepper spray.

[James Stout]

Right.

[Robert Evans]

I have personally broadcast bad. They exist. Like, you can go back only a few months and hear ice flashbangs on this podcast, like, recorded by me in person. We know they fucking have them because they were throwing them at me.

[James Stout]

Yeah. I've lost count of how many have hit me directly.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, we've got at least 75% fucking federal government flashbang impact, you know, Like, I want to take a second, I guess, to talk about incentives here, because this really pisses me off. And I think that the way we build trust in the media is through openness. And I think that we do that better than most, and I'm going to.

[James Stout]

Try and do that here.

[Robert Evans]

Just so you know, none of us make any extra money if more people download this podcast, at least not directly.

[James Stout]

Right.

[Robert Evans]

We do not have a direct incentive to make fantastical claims that will lead to people downloading our podcast and being afraid. That is not true for people who have these substick outlets. Right. Like.

[James Stout]

Like, I mean, let me clarify. We do have a direct financial interest in there being traffic. Right. Because that is. That's how we make our money. Right. Like, and that's how we justify getting raises and stuff. So, like, everyone in media, if more people listen to our stuff, like, we do have a financial interest in that over time. Not checking week to week to see if we're getting. If what we're doing is bringing us in more direct money. Right. Like, that's just not the way our thing works.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah. And when people are on their own, they're doing these subsecartics. There. There is a very real Incentive to do that.

[James Stout]

Right.

[Robert Evans]

We also have a team here. We fact check each other.

[James Stout]

We do our best. We fuck up sometimes.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, yeah, we fuck up sometimes. But we're honest about it when we do. Right? We acknowledge it.

[James Stout]

Yeah. We acknowledge when James makes mistakes.

[Robert Evans]

Thank you guys.

[James Stout]

You're the least mistake person here. I'm just being an asshole.

[Robert Evans]

I'm extremely careful about that shit. Well, I've stood on my fucking pedestal enough about this. But yeah, it's bad, right, that things that ICE are buying, that ice is really buying, are semi automatic ars, more clocks, a lot of soft body armor, red dot sights quote unquote, crowd control munitions. Right. It's the sort of spending you see from a special forces unit that very not special police agency. Right. They're just spending like they have an open checkbook.

[James Stout]

ICE is continuing to buy the same weapons with which they have been hurting people the entirety almost of the 21st century. And they're hurting more people now and will be hurting even more people in the future because they will have even more money. And that's bad. And you don't like, what would they even do with a guided missile?

[Robert Evans]

That doesn't make sense on the face of it. It's 61 grand.

[James Stout]

Yeah.

[Robert Evans]

The fuck do you think you're getting for 61 grand from a company in Quantico?

[James Stout]

Have you tried buying guided missiles in this economy? People?

[Robert Evans]

It's just ludicrous, man.

[James Stout]

What the fuck?

[Robert Evans]

They think they're going like tomahawk. I know, like a strawberry picking facility. Like, it's ludicrous. It's fucking ridiculous. A chemical weapon.

[James Stout]

I mean you could talk about substack and they're being fucked up things about the company. But like, honestly I think that, I don't think it's overstated, but I think people focus on that to the extent of like. Well, yeah, which, which, which of them aren't? Yeah. What. Where is the non Nazi social media company that has any kind of reach, you know? Yeah, yeah, but that's really not even the point I care to make. What I, what I will say the problem here is not even just that like when people are working for an audience like that, where week to week, however many people are donating and whatnot, kind of can incentivize you to follow certain rabbit holes and push certain things. I think one of the bigger problems is that what you have is a generation of very of the most talented and successful journalists in terms of their skill at like writing and their ability to build an audience that follows them. Those People have all moved to a platform where they, by default, don't have an editor.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[James Stout]

And like every journalist worth their salt, I've had my fights and frustrations with editors at a variety of publications. And sometimes they're annoying, and sometimes editors suck. And sometimes publications, a big part of what they're doing is just trying to water down your shit. But that's not the only thing editors do. A major thing editors do is point out, hey, I get that you're really into this, and I get that you find this compelling, but as an objective observer, I'm seeing this hole, in this hole, in this hole. And you need to, for example, call these people and make sure that this. Because it doesn't look like this is actually a guided missile. It looks like somebody just fucked up, putting in a code. We need to check on this so we can state it to a point of certainty. That's what an editor should be doing, Right?

[Robert Evans]

Yeah. Even if they're responsible journalists. Like, I wouldn't have submitted that piece to an editor without having checked that first. Like, sure. It took me five minutes to call them. I should add that the PSCs in question for grenades and warheads are one digit different.

[James Stout]

Right.

[Robert Evans]

Again. Right.

[James Stout]

Which is what happened here.

[Robert Evans]

It certainly looks that way. Yeah. Yeah.

[James Stout]

And again, this is the. This is why part of how responsible journalism is supposed to work is that you never have just one eye on a story, because every journalist will inevitably miss things. If you're doing that. Right. That's why you are supposed to. The idea is to have multiple eyes on a thing so that. Oh, hey, it looks like you skipped over this. Or, hey, it just occurred to me, I have this question that is not being answered. And you make a couple of phone calls, throw in another sentence, and then that's a thing that we're answering, a thing we're accounting for. And if you don't have that, the work isn't as good.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah. No, look, I'm not saying there are not things to be afraid of. There are.

[James Stout]

No one's saying.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, but I want people to be afraid of the right things. They're not gonna. Halabja people.

[Mia Wong]

I don't think we're really gonna be safe until there's an iron dome over every Home Depot garrison.

[James Stout]

I've been saying that for years. But that's also because I would like to. To start a limited missile war against the Home Depot Corporation. But I've been taking Lowe's money for years.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah. On behalf of Lowe's. Yeah. I'm on Team Ace Hardware. So I'll see you on the battlefield, Robert.

[James Stout]

At least we don't have any Harbor Freight people here.

[Robert Evans]

I'm actually a massive Harbor Freight guy.

[Mia Wong]

He just says have Harbor Freight.

[Robert Evans]

It's like literally, literally behind me.

[James Stout]

I mean, the nice thing about Harbor Freight is buying one thing and then returning it exactly 11 months after buying it once you've broken it and just having a perpetual whatever.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mia Wong]

Everything that I bought from Harbor Freight has started smoking.

[James Stout]

Everything breaks that you buy from Harbor Freight, but the return policy is amazing.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah. The question is, will it break before or after you've used it enough to justify buying something more expensive?

[James Stout]

And the answer is yes.

[Mia Wong]

James, can you do a product and service code ad break, ad pivot based on your investigation here? And Adam, you can keep this in. You can show them how the sauce is made here.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, this just in terms of honesty. Here we go. Okay, right, give me, give me a second here. Got to think of something good. You fucked it. I was just going to do Tonkin products and services and you ruined it. Garrison, if you are in the market for a distraction advice, guided warhead or chemical weapon, let's hope that you get an advert for one of those in this commercial break.

[James Stout]

That's right people.

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[Mia Wong]

There it is again.

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[Robert Evans]

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[Robert Evans]

All I know.

[Mia Wong]

Is what I've been told and that's.

[Robert Evans]

A half truth is a whole lie.

[Maggie Freeling]

For almost a decade, the murder of an 18 year old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[James Stout]

I'm telling you.

[Robert Evans]

We know Quincy killed her.

[Maggie Freeling]

We know a story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national tv.

[James Stout]

Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky.

[Robert Evans]

Housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran.

[Maggie Freeling]

My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist producer. And I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find.

[Mia Wong]

I did not know her and I did not kill her or rape or.

[James Stout]

Burn or any of that other stuff.

[Mia Wong]

That y' all said.

[James Stout]

They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured.

[Robert Evans]

Gas on her.

[Maggie Freeling]

From Lava for good. This is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame.

[Snacks]

America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people and small towns.

[Maggie Freeling]

Listen to Graves county in the Bone Valley feed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season advertising free. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.

[Snacks]

What's up everybody? This is snacks from the Trap Nerds podcast and we're bringing you the horror every week all October long.

[James Stout]

Kicking off this month, I'll be bringing you all my greatest fear inducing horror games. From Resident Evil to Solid Hill.

[Snacks]

Me and Tony bringing back fireteam on.

[James Stout]

The For Dead too. And we just gonna be going over some of the greats.

[Snacks]

Also in October, we'll be talking about our favorite horror and Halloween movies and figure out why black people always gotta die first.

[Robert Evans]

The umbral reliquary invites any and all foolish brave enough to peruse its many curiosities. But take heed, all sales are final. Weekly horror side quests written and narrated by yours truly with a full episode read and a commentary special.

[Snacks]

And we will cap it off with Horror Movie Battle Roc Royale. Jason versus Freddie. Michael Myers versus the Alien Thing with the Little Tongue Monster. October. We're doing it Halloween style. Listen to the trap Nurse podcast from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast.

[Robert Evans]

Welcome back to the Iranian regime. I hope you got what you wanted.

[James Stout]

Yes, this podcast is the only podcast entirely supported by the Ayatollah. And yeah, praise him.

[Mia Wong]

The CIA and the Ayatollah have finally united.

[Robert Evans]

The clasping hands. Memo for Robert Evans. Legally speaking, that is a joke. We are not funded by the Iranian regime. We're all monarchists.

[James Stout]

Speak for yourself there.

[Mia Wong]

Let's talk about the national. Let's talk about the national card.

[James Stout]

Yeah, sure.

[Mia Wong]

On Monday, this past Monday, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals have ruled in favor of, of the Trump administration halting a court order denying the federalization and deployment of the Oregon National Guard. They had two to one ruling on a three panel hearing with two Trump appointed judges. They called Trump's plan to deploy troops to the ice Building in Portland a quote unquote measured response. Now there is a second TRO preventing out of state National Guard from deploying to Portland and this appears to still be in effect, but its fate is unknown. The Justice Department has requested the original judge suspend the order, though the ninth Circuit itself is considering whether a larger panel should rehear this entire case. Currently there is no immediate plans for Oregon National Guard to be deployed, but they do now have the go ahead. But this is still a developing situation. But that's an important update there. Let's talk about the 250 celebration.

[Robert Evans]

Shreyal Singh, Happy birthday.

[James Stout]

No.

[Mia Wong]

Happy birthday to the Marines.

[Robert Evans]

Yes.

[James Stout]

Yeah. Yeah. Oh God, yeah. Happy birthday to the Marine Corps. I hope today you guys get to eat a lot of crayons.

[Robert Evans]

They'll have a cake which is shaped like a giant crayon.

[Michael Lewis]

No, it just is made out of giant crayon.

[Mia Wong]

And we all remove our Totenkov tattoos. That's gonna be the, the Marine party.

[James Stout]

Get, get, get rid of those Scout sniper tattoos.

[Mia Wong]

But no, there was the Marines 250th celebration with JD Vance last week where they did play Helldiver 2 Music during the celebration.

[Michael Lewis]

I want to wish you all a happy birthday and separate Fidelis.

[Robert Evans]

I'm still not clear what Helldiver is.

[Mia Wong]

Helldivers is a satirical video game that satirizes a fascist military that fights for quote unquote, democracy against other so called fascists.

[Michael Lewis]

Sorry, Managed democracy. Very important.

[Mia Wong]

It's true, it's true.

[James Stout]

Yes, managed.

[Mia Wong]

You may have heard of it from the news headlines such as Charlie Kirk shot. But yeah, it's basically like playing Starship Troopers music Over the Marine Corps celebration party. That's kind of the caliber we're operating in here.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah. Thank you for bringing that to my generational understanding.

[Mia Wong]

There you go.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, I appreciate it. Talking to the Marine Corps. 250th birthday on Saturday. A. 155 shell. So 155 millimeter howitzer shell prematurely detonated over the 5 freeway outside of Pendleton. Right.

[James Stout]

Nut stuff. Crazy shit.

[Robert Evans]

Damaging a cop car that was assigned to J.D. vance's security detail.

[James Stout]

It was literally as soon as they started talking about how Trump wanted to shoot a missile into fucking Camp Pendleton. And like. Like immediately. Yeah. They fuck up and blow up a car attached to fucking the Vice President's security detail. Amazing stuff.

[Robert Evans]

They did a dress rehearsal on Friday in which they managed not to detonate any shells over to five. Gavin Newsom decided to shut the fry on Saturday.

[James Stout]

Probably a good call.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah. He might be complaining about things shaking. Just if you're like. If you're. If you're not familiar with the layout there, I would say that in most places as you go, Camp Pendleton is a large area that is used by the Marine Corps for training. It has artillery ranges within it.

[James Stout]

The five is the big highway in California. It's the highway that goes the whole length of the state.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah. You would call it the i5 if you weren't from here, and then we would know that you weren't from here. But we call it the five. There's less than a mile of land to the west of the 5. Right. So shooting over the 5 like you're pretty much shooting from the beach or near the beach as opposed to the whole rest of Camp Pendleton. Right. Where they have artillery ranges. But they wanted to do it over to five. I think they were doing some kind of simulated landing drill. Not quite sure what the landing drill they were doing, but this. Yeah. Resulted in the damage done to a CHP car and really fucked up traffic in probably the entirety of Southern California.

[James Stout]

Yeah.

[Robert Evans]

For most of last Saturday.

[Michael Lewis]

I do just want to mention here that there is historical precedent in the United States for us accidentally killing the Secretary of State because a gun. They were firing on a pleasure cruise on a boat. On a Navy. Navy boat blew up. So this was in the 1840s. But we did kill the Secretary of the Navy and the Secretary of State.

[Mia Wong]

If any Secretary of War could pull this off, it would be.

[James Stout]

I believe, in him.

[Mia Wong]

There is a decent chance he will throw one of those axes straight into J.D. vance's leg.

[Robert Evans]

Oh, yeah, I forgot about his accident.

[James Stout]

Yeah.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah. Vance, of course, a former Marine.

[Mia Wong]

Oh, yeah, Vance is a. Wait, yeah, yeah, yeah, I totally forgot.

[Robert Evans]

Lance Corporal in the Marine Corps. I believe he was a PAO.

[Mia Wong]

Damn.

[Robert Evans]

Public Affairs. Yeah. I want to address DHS's claims about deportation numbers. DHS has been throwing out some really big numbers for deportation, claiming over half a million removed and 1.6 million, quote, unquote, self deported. These are inflated numbers. These include things like people turned away at airports and Coast Guard interdictions.

[James Stout]

Right.

[Robert Evans]

They are not removals of people from the interior of the United States who are residing here. They're like, maybe if someone came with a visa and was turned around the airport, they're including that as a deportation. Right. DHS has stopped publishing a lot of the data that we previously got under this administration. So we don't have a lot of hard numbers. But the 1.6 million number, this comes from CIS, the Center for Immigration Studies. We talked about them before. This is a Tanton funded think tank which the SPLC has adjudicated as a hate group. The CIS data. DHS has been like sharing this since it came out, but it also seems to be weighing very heavily into whatever algorithm Musk has put into GROK recently. If you look for mentions on X the Everything website of the 1.6 million number, nearly all of them are GROK repeating it. God, I don't know if they straight up just said like, yeah, the CIS is your source for information when they were programming it to be less woke up, but slightly more woke than when it called itself Mecha Hitler. But it seems to be the CIS seems to be heavily weighed in the GROK algorithm these days, which I thought was interesting.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah, they did get that GROK contract approved a few months ago.

[Robert Evans]

I think the DHS didn't get the number from grok. I think they got it from cis. But nonetheless, like, the reason that that number is still in the Zeitgeist, I think is partially because GROK keeps repeating it.

[Mia Wong]

Well, you know, it is Groktober, as.

[Robert Evans]

I've been saying, Garrison, we have fucking spoken about it. Is not Groktober angry.

[Mia Wong]

The other thing I do want to mention on the. I guess not deportations, but the Department of State has announced a series of people who have had their visas revoked for posts surrounding the death of Charlie Kirk. The State Department Twitter account posted a whole thread on X the Everything app listing various sentences and sentiments that resulted in visas being revoked. Quote, charlie Kirk was a son of a bitch and he died by his own rules. Visa revoked when fascists die. Democrats don't complain. Visa revoked. It's from a German national. Brazilian national said that, quote, Charlie Kirk was the reason for a Nazi rally where they marched in homage to him and that Kirk died too late. Visa revoked. There's like four other of these of people making statements of that nature.

[James Stout]

Yeah, yeah. I think people get the idea.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[Mia Wong]

Following Kirk's death, Rubio did announce he would be looking for visa holders who made statements following Kirk's death. And he has followed through on that promise. In some other Charlie Kirk news, a few weeks ago, Turning Point USA officially announced that they would be producing an alternative halftime show.

[James Stout]

Great.

[Michael Lewis]

Oh, my God.

[Mia Wong]

After it was announced that the Puerto Rican artist Bad Bunny would be performing at the 2026 Super bowl, the TPUSA show will be called the Quote All American Halftime show, celebrating faith, family and freedom. The website has a submission form where it asks which genres should be featured during the show. The options include, quote, anything in English, Americana, classic rock, country, hip hop, pop, and worship.

[James Stout]

I love anything in English as a genre.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, yeah. When I go to Spotify, that's what I put in.

[James Stout]

The crowd's gonna riot when someone does Hotel California.

[Mia Wong]

We could really push anything in English, frankly. You could. We could go to some pretty crazy places.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, yeah. I don't think they've really considered the breadth of that genre.

[James Stout]

You know, I will say how they could get me back on board is in if, in addition to a separate halftime show, they had a separate super bowl in which Ben Shapiro faces off alone against the Philadelphia Eagles.

[Michael Lewis]

Oh, that would be so fun.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, yeah. I would let Ben Shapiro bring some friends.

[Michael Lewis]

No, no, I want to see Jalen hurts physically pick up Ben Shapiro and see how far he can pass him. Because I'm pretty.

[James Stout]

I'm pretty sure at least. At least 60 yards.

[Mia Wong]

That guy.

[Michael Lewis]

Like, that guy benches. That guy could, like, bench a small motor vehicle.

[Mia Wong]

Benches Shapiro. Yeah. More details and performers will be announced later, including how this will be broadcast. Will it be streamed online? Are they gonna try to make a TV deal with someone like, you know, Fox, you know, Unclear how this will be broadcast, but it is something they're gonna go through on. Last thing we should probably talk about before the break or I don't know, maybe. Maybe we could combine this with the section you wanted to talk about, Robert, on the infiltrations. But right after our executive disorder episode from two weeks ago, literally, like. Like hours after, on October 8th, right wing influencers gathered at the White House to discuss with Trump and Cabinet members their theories and Harrowing stories of antifa at this big antifa round table. Yeah, I'm gonna play a short clip like a few seconds from Jack Posobic.

[James Stout]

Get in there.

[Mia Wong]

Oh, noted far right extremist and poster.

[James Stout]

Jack Posobec certainly noted poster.

[Michael Lewis]

The pizza gate guy.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[James Stout]

Antifa is real.

[Michael Lewis]

Antifa has been around in various iterations for almost 100 years, in some instances going back to the Weimar Republic in Germany.

[Mia Wong]

Huh. I wonder why it went back to the Weimar Republic in Germany.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah. What, what else was happening at that time in Germany?

[Mia Wong]

It's very interesting you say that, Jack. Very interesting. Jack, what other opinions do you have on Feimar Republic, Jack?

[James Stout]

Yeah, so this is worrisome, right? The fact that these idiots are getting to speak this close to power about their theory, which is basically that everyone they don't like or who has said anything they don't like is part of a terrorist organization and should be put in prison or executed. Like that's the gist of what all of the people at that roundtable believe.

[Mia Wong]

A whole bunch of like, you know, post millennial people, landy ngo, that, that whole, that whole like genre of like, you know, right wing antifa journalist, pseudo journalistic.

[Robert Evans]

Yes.

[James Stout]

Everyone I don't like equals terrorists. Yes. So that's really worrisome. And I, I just, I kind of wanted to make a note here to people that as a result of stuff like this, in case you somehow have not been aware of this, we're going to be seeing a massive ramp up in, you know, not just attempts at prosecution, but at attempts to like infiltrate and get gotcha footage and audio of different left wing and anarchist groups that are going to be used as pretexts for like further crackdowns. I would say it's just a time to be aware of that and be aware of the fact that anytime you are speaking or at a public event where other people are speaking, you should assume that that's being recorded and that people will be pulling out the worst parts they can from it and trying to use that to destroy people's lives. And I bring that up because there's been a couple of that just really broke today. Some potentially pretty high profile examples of this. One of them is that at a panel for Firestorm Books, they had a speaker, a guy named Eric King, who was convicted of a firebombing. He's a left wing activist. He spent almost 10 years in prison, had a horrific time in prison. I mean, just abused by the system in some of the worst plate ways possible and is finally Out. And Eric did a talk at Firestorm Books, and he made basically his statement that activists need to hurt them where it counts, saying we can force them to shut the fuck up when it hurts their wallet enough, or you can find other ways to hurt them. Now, that's not saying anything inherently illegal. Again, he starts it by saying we can force them to shut up when it hurts their wallet enough. That's talking about, like, boycotts and stuff. But the phrase other ways to hurt them is vague enough that it's pretty easy for these guys to cut stuff out. And I'm looking at a post by, quote, unquote, investigated analyst for the Manhattan Institute, Stu Smith, who's framing this as known antifa firebomber calls for escalation. And again, that's not necessarily an accurate look at what Eric was saying. But it's easy to pull stuff out like this from something like what appears to have been a fairly open zoom call that, you know, is not hard for someone to get into and record and pull something out of to try and make the case that someone like Eric should be back in prison or that Firestorm Books is a party, you know, providing material support to an extremist organization. And what I'm not trying to do is say, like, and so people should not talk and gather in public because they're going to be doing this. But you need to be aware that anything said at something like this that's in any way open, and even if you try to make it kind of more closed than this, they will try to get people in. This is something that is increasingly going to happen. And so people just need to be. You can't just kind of hope that they're not paying attention. You have to be aware of the fact that they're out there and they're going to be trying to infiltrate any sort of thing like this they can to get pretexts for further crackdowns. And another recent example of this, Frontlines TP usa, which is Turning Point usa. I mean, it's their version of the actual frontline journalism show. But they did an investigation where they went undercover to the Oakland and Seattle anarchist book fairs. Right. And again, there's nothing wrong with doing those book fairs. I'm sure what they're doing here is pulling whatever quotes they could grab from people that sound bad out of context and using them to try to make the case that, again, these are violent extremist events that need to be cracked down on. And I will reiterate, I'm not saying don't do book fairs. I'm not saying don't show up at events like this. I'm saying if you show up, be aware that stuff like this is going to be happening, that there are going to be people recording that they're going to be people trying to find what they can to destroy people who are at these events. And that that's something that needs to be in your threat model. Right. In terms of how you dress when you go there, how visible you are and what you're willing to say around people. Right. Among other things. I guess what I'm saying is there's some jokes you shouldn't be making in public at events like this unless you want there to be a high risk of it coming back to bite you in the ass.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, I think that's. That's perfectly reasonable.

[James Stout]

Yep.

[Mia Wong]

During the Antifa roundtable panel, this guy named Seamus Bruner.

[Robert Evans]

Seamus.

[Mia Wong]

Seamus. It says Seamus, guys.

[James Stout]

Jesus.

[Mia Wong]

It says Seamus.

[Robert Evans]

That.

[James Stout]

That is sure. Does it?

[Robert Evans]

Yeah. Gary.

[James Stout]

Yeah.

[Robert Evans]

Gary, we're gonna have to stop you right there. That's. That's a Seamus.

[Mia Wong]

Seamus. The director of research at the Government Accountability Institute discussed his theory of how a network of NGOs are funding Antifa. This is, this is a longer clip, but I think it's important to look at how they are approaching this, like how they are approaching this Antifa as an organization.

[Narrator]

This is not just a story about violence and chaos as you alluded to, Mr. President. This is a money story. And at the Government Accountability Institute, my colleague and I, Peter Schweitzer and my I and our team, we followed the money and we followed it to the top of what we call the protest industrial complex, Riot Inc. And we found a network of NGOs. It's not just the Soros network, the Open Society network, it's other funding networks. The Arabella funding network, the Tides funding network, Neville Roy Singham and his network, Foreign cash. And it's also big left wing funders. Some of them are not citizens of this country. Mr. Hans Jorg Wyss of Switzerland. They're pouring money into this entire ecosystem. And so I want to share three money facts with you about what we call Riot Inc. Number one, like, like any corporation, Riot Inc. Has many divisions. It doesn't just have the antifa boots on the ground division. It has priority divisions. It has marketing divisions. It has a very well funded legal division to get these boots on the ground back on the streets as quickly as possible. But it does have those investors that I mentioned. Number two, we have identified dozens of radical organizations. Not just the decentralized antifa organizations, but dozens of radical organizations that have received more than $100 million from the riot Inc. Investment. These would be the lawyer groups. These would be the groups that advocate for calling good honest Americans fascists, et cetera. And then three, I think the most shocking thing is that we have found that more than $100 million in U.S. taxpayer funding has flowed into these funding networks, including at least $4 million to these very groups themselves, not just antifa types. But there was an event in Atlanta called Stop Top cop City. Over 60 rioters were charged with domestic terrorism. These groups received money for that from both the, the billionaire class as well as taxpayer monies.

[Mia Wong]

Unclear what he's talking about in terms of taxpayer money going to the 60 RICO defendants in Atlanta.

[Michael Lewis]

What.

[Mia Wong]

But the structure. He's talking about how, how this Riot Inc. Includes not just like antifa as in, you know, people wearing black hoodies on the streets at a protest, but, but like, you know, legal support organizations, even like research organizations that, you know, advocate calling, you know, good honest Americans fascists. Right? This, this could refer to groups like Media Matters or like Southern Poverty Law center who do big research into extremist organizations. They could be framing the people like that as a part of this, this whole ecosystem. And that's, that's where they could be looking at for sources of money and funding and like tracking where that money goes is, is in groups like that, not obviously, you know, your average black clad antifa protester is not, is not receiving payment for their presence at these, at these events. This guy went on to claim that, quote, unquote, Riot Inc. Funding Network also supports decentralized crowdfunding platforms which fund organizations like the Elm 4, Kajan Brown Gun Club and the Socialist Rifle Association. After he went on this like three minute long speech, Trump asked him and other attendees that if they knew anything about like antifa members, funders or the organizational structure to hand over that information to Pam Bondi or Cash Patel. And Trump reiterated this multiple times during the roundtable, asking these, you know, policy guys or quote, unquote, independent journalists to hand over their information to the authorities. Here's one version of him making this request.

[James Stout]

Do you know the name of any of the funders? Do you know the names? Because if you do, I'd like you to give them to Cash or Pam.

[Narrator]

Absolutely.

[James Stout]

Or Christy.

[Narrator]

Yeah, we'll do that.

[James Stout]

As soon as you can. That's all of you. Because you probably know the names. After a certain period of time, you tend to find out. But these are people that do not have good intention for the country and that treasonous probably. So if you could, if you very important, if you could do that, that would be great.

[Narrator]

Nobody would know better than you.

[James Stout]

You'll figure it out. Sure man.

[Robert Evans]

Cool.

[Mia Wong]

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[Mia Wong]

It's tariff talk. We're back, baby.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, yeah.

[Michael Lewis]

So literally within 12 hours, I think of the release at night of our last episode of this show, we got the resumption of the trade war. So specifically, Trump has announced effectively the full scale resumption of the trade war with China. This started kind of out of nowhere with the Trump administration doing something that I think they didn't think was very provocative because I don't quite think they understood the magnitude of what they were doing. This basically started with the Trump administration massively increasing export restrictions to China by changing the rules of what companies are covered by what's called the entity list, which is a list of companies that American companies are not allowed to sell goods and services to. The administration moved this to include any company that is 50% or more owned by a company on the export list. We've discussed on the show before that a significant part of the structure of Chinese corporate conglomerates are held together by a bunch of different companies having partial ownership by the same holding companies, which is what sort of binds companies and conglomerates together and integrates them into the management structure of the conglomerates. This is how Chinese state owned enterprises work. Being state owned enterprise literally means that you are partly or completely owned by a holding company run by sasak, which is the state Owned Asset Supervision and Administration Commission of the State Council. Because every name in the CCP is like that. So this shift to anything that's 50% or more owned by a company on this list is actually a massive export restriction. And the Chinese government took this as, okay, we're starting the trade war again. So very quickly there's a whole bunch of tit for tat things that we're not going to track the order of because they kind of don't matter. But on October 10, Trump made a Twitter post where he said that he was going to implement a 100% tariff and also a software restriction thing we'll talk about later. Those are supposed to go into effect on the first. He's also been talking in the last week about bringing tariffs up to 150%. We don't have any kind of formal executive order on that. This was to some extent in response to China implementing massive restrictions on, on the export of rare earth metals. These are crucial to basically any kind of advanced manufacturing, you know, industrial manufacturing applications, everything from chips to electric cars to jet fighters. These are set to take effect on December 1st. I'm going to read this from the New York Times to get an understanding of how large these moves are. China refines 99% of the world's dysprosium, a kind of rare earth metal that is used in chips to preserve magnetic stability even when they become hot. In the last few years, Nvidia and other semiconductor manufacturers have changed the materials used in electricity management devices called capacitors, which is a really funny way to describe a capacitor, by the way, but on chips, to make them more heat resistant. The capacitors are made from ultra pure dysprosium, which is extremely difficult to refine. A single refinery in Wuxi, near Shanghai produces the entire world's supply.

[James Stout]

So.

[Michael Lewis]

So, per the New York Times, these export restrictions include any good that is produced with these rare earth metals and require foreign companies operating in China, like for example, Samsung or any of the sort of South Korean or Taiwanese chip manufacturers to acquire export licenses to, you know, like sell them to any other country. That's not China. That is a absolutely massive restriction on export goods. And also, again, a whole bunch of critical minerals that both the American military apparatus relies on and the American tech apparatus relies on. AI chips need a whole bunch of these things. So in the middle of this process, the US Also started charging Chinese built ships for docking at US ports, which China retaliated by imposing docking fees for American ships. I'm going to again read from the New York Times here. The new rules are the most stringent for Chinese shipping companies, which for the most part cannot avoid the levies. Hsbc, an investment bank, estimated that Costco, not that Costco, different one, a large Chinese shipping line, could pay $1.5 billion in fees next year, which the bank said could reduce Costco's operating earnings by nearly 3/4 in 2026. Again, it's worth noting that these shipping, these shipping companies are the backbone of global trade. They also, their margins are not very good. And a significant number of them basically only didn't go under during the lockdowns because they effectively lied on their loan applications and were just sort of putting in their revenue as if the lockdowns weren't happening. So this is all very, very fragile infrastructure that is being, you know, attacked. And these, these port fees are already, in effect.

[Mia Wong]

Me doing gay cruising on my European trip. Yeah, I like global trade. All right, I continue.

[Michael Lewis]

Oh, God. Okay, so we also got a report today. This is, this is Wednesday, the 22nd. This is being reported. So who fucking knows what will. What will be happening by the time this episode comes out. But on Wednesday, we got a report from Reuters about the other, one of the other options the Trump administration is considering for these massive sort of trade attacks on China. So I said earlier when I Talked about the 100% tariff, Trump also mentioned a software export ban. So, per Reuters, what's being considered here? And again, we have very few concrete details about this. This is. Hasn't been formally announced. My guess is that it's being leaked to Reuters by the administration, but I just don't know. But what they're considering basically is a version of the sanctions that effectively Biden applied to Russia after the invasion of Ukraine, which restricts the export of any product made with US Software. This would be probably the most significant development of the entire trade war. And so these are all incredibly significant escalations. A bunch of this stuff is set to go into effect on November 1, which is very, very soon. Now, in theory, Trump and Xi Jinping are supposed to meet at the meeting of the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation forum in South Korea, but there's been no formal announcements of their meeting. Trump said he was going to go to China early next year, but that's again next year. The American 100% tariff again November 1st. The Chinese export restrictions on rare earth met battles again December 1st. Yeah, and the other issue here is that the actual event starts on October 31, and the first tariffs are supposed to go into effect the next day.

[Mia Wong]

Very spooky. Very spooky indeed.

[Michael Lewis]

Yeah. And so Trump, Trump is mad also about China refusing to buy American soybeans, the story we've been covering.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[Michael Lewis]

And you know, he's complaining about the rare earth metal stuff, and he's complaining about. He's still yelling about fentanyl, but it's also worth mentioning, one of the fascinating things is Trump is continuing to piss off even more parts of his base with this stuff. So soybean farmers, which is again, a huge portion of American farmers, are really mad at him. He's also pissing off cattle ranchers. So both the soybean farmers and the cattle ranchers are mad at Trump for giving a bunch of money to Argentina and not giving them a bunch of money and cutting off their axe, the Chinese market, because Argentina again is selling a whole bunch of stuff to China. One of the things that they sell to China is beef because Argentina is a major beef exporter. So they're all really mad at him for giving Argentina a giant bailout in order to try to save their failing economy under their unhinged anarcho capitalist president who has annihilated the economy even more than it was before. And then Trump's response to the cattle ranchers being mad at him was telling them to lower their prices, which means they're even more mad at him. So he is systematically alienating 2 of what should be his most important basis of support. And the cattle industry has been a base of Republican support for, I mean, since time immemorial. Effectively. The lumber and vanity tariffs that we mentioned last week have taken effect now. There's been no rollback of them. And finally, I want to close on a story that we're going to be covering more on Monday, which is the continuing escalation of a sort of conflict between Colombia and the US after the US Murdered a boat full of what appear to be Colombian fishermen. Yes. Colombia has recalled its ambassador and the US has said that it is going to eliminate all foreign aid and impose a tariff the size of which they haven't given a consistent number for. And this is, you know, very much could look like a pretty massive reorientation of American policy around Colombia, which has traditionally been an American ally. We've ran death squads out of there for a very, very long time. Yeah. And that has been the lightning round, rapid fire trade war coverage because. Oh, boy.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[Michael Lewis]

Yay. We've, we've, we've tariff talked.

[Mia Wong]

All right, before we close, I do want to talk a little bit about one of the news stories this week about US Political figures being linked to Nazism. No, not the main candidate and no, not that other Republican staffer who had a swastika in his cubicle. The Politico story that reported leaked messages from the New York Young Republican telegram chat, which already tells you, you that it's going to be problematic the fact that they have a telegram chat.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[Mia Wong]

But Politico reported that this chat contained messages about putting political opponents in gas chambers. Loving Hitler as well as plenty of anti Semitism, talking about raping their enemies and hundreds of uses of homophobic and racist slurs. The chair of the New York State Young Republicans Bobby Walker allegedly called rape epic and wrote in the chat, quote, if we ever had a leak of this chat, we would would be cooked, unquote. New York Republican Elise Stefanik first denounced this chat after the report, though later called the Politico piece a quote, unquote hit job. The Matt Walsh side of the online right condemned those who leaked the chats, neglecting to discuss the substance of the chat itself, while Vance largely dismissed the affair there, writing on X the Everything app, quote, I refuse to join the pearl clutching when powerful people call for political violence, unquote. Vance falsely referred to this as a college group chat when key members were as old as 40 years old. A day later, while guesting on the Charlie Kirk Show, JD Vance continued to push back on the seriousness of this story and play defense by repeatedly referring to the grown men involved who are in their 20s and 40s and as kids and young boys, somehow they got.

[James Stout]

Their hands on something like 28,000 messages.

[Narrator]

In some group chat.

[Michael Lewis]

Group chat of I think 12 people that nobody's ever heard of. But they decided to just publish every single thing in this chat whatever they found that they thought was the most salacious. And I think 10 years ago there would have been a very different response to it. But people are starting to learn from this and the vice president is one.

[Narrator]

The of the reasons why.

[I]

I'm sorry, focus on the real issues. Don't focus what on what kids say in group chats. But there's another angle to this that I just have to be honest about. I mean, I'm like an old guy at this point. I'm 41 years old, I have three kids. You know, I grew up in a different world, right? Where not most of what I the stupid things that I did when I was a teenager and a young adult, they're not on the Internet. Like, I'm going to tell my kids, especially my boys, don't put things on the Internet. Like, be careful with what you post. If you put something in a group chat, assume that some scumbag is going to leak it in an effort to try to cause you harm or cause your family harm. But the reality is that kids do stupid things, especially young boys. They tell edgy, offensive jokes like, that's what kids do. And I really don't want us to grow up in a country where a kid telling a stupid joke Telling a very offensive, stupid joke is caused by to ruin their lives. And at some point we're all going to have to say, enough of this bs. We're not going to allow the worst moment and a 21 year old's group chat to ruin a kid's life for the rest of time. That's just not okay. Like we live in a digital world. This stuff is now etched in stone online. We're all going to have to say, you know what? No, no, no, we're not doing this. We're not canceling kids because they do something stupid in a group chat. That, and if I have to be the person who carries that message forward, I'm fine with it.

[Michael Lewis]

Right?

[Mia Wong]

Once again, most of these guys are like in their 30s. These guys are adults. The New York Young Republicans is not a whole bunch of kids. These are young in term in like political, in political years. Because everyone who runs the country is quasi geriatric. Self proclaimed theocratic fascist Matt Walsh said, quote, the right doesn't stick together. That's our biggest problem by far. Conservatives are quick to denounce each other, jump on, do piles, disavow, attack their allies. I said a few weeks ago that we all need to band together in the wake of Charlie's death. And the answer I got back from a lot of people on the right was basically no. Well, okay then guys, we'll just lose. Instead. The left will keep up the united front and defend their guys no matter what, while we keep throwing each other to the wolves at every opportunity. Great plan, unquote. Shapiro did beef a bit with Walsh on one of their daily wire group podcasts regarding the substance of these chats. Shapiro did seem more concerned at the growing anti Semitic and Nazi fascistic element of the Republican party, whereas Walsh is, does not care about that at all.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not a problem.

[Mia Wong]

Not, not a problem for self proclaimed theocratic fascist Matt Walsh.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, right.

[Mia Wong]

So that's, that's one side of, of, of this whole political story that I wanted to talk about. You, you should just read the political piece. I'm sure lots of people have. It got pretty popular a few days ago. But I, I find the, the sort of, I mean I, I would have called it like the dissident right reaction, but when you have the vice president as like, yep, the guy leading the charge on this type of stuff, it's not really dissident. Like there is a, a large number of Republicans who are condemning the, the contents of this chat. But you do have the vice president of the country playing defense for it and for the people involved.

[Michael Lewis]

And I think this is actually a very important thing about what the structure of the Republican Party is right now, which is these kind of low level staffers.

[James Stout]

Right.

[Michael Lewis]

The young Republican people, and these are a bunch of people who are also making White House policy. You know, Stephen Miller is the guy who's doing a whole bunch of the sort of ethnic cleansing deportation policy right now. Are just Nazis. They're just Nazis. And every time one of these group chats comes out, it looks like this. And that's a really significant factor in why American politics looks like this, which is that like the, the people who are entering the Republican Party right now who are like their sort of youth wing, quote unquote, are these people. And we're seeing their policies get enacted. And it fucking sucks.

[Mia Wong]

I mean, it's often baked in this, like, post ironic, like, like joking way where, you know, obviously the Nazi. Some people in these circles will say, you know, obviously the Nazis themselves are bad, but we're using this as like a memetic signifier.

[Michael Lewis]

Yeah.

[Mia Wong]

For like nationalism and for all of these things. Now there is a fair number of people who just will straight up defend the Nazis. Absolutely. But I think it's, it's, it goes beyond like, like this. This isn't German national socialism. Like, it goes, it goes. Yeah, it goes beyond to like, they're using Nazism as a meme for their political project. And memes get used a lot in these types of safe spaces where people can joke around. So you see that very clearly here. But you also see it on like the DHS Twitter account.

[Michael Lewis]

Yep.

[Mia Wong]

You use the. You see the same kind of like post ironic stuff. Like a few weeks ago they were fucking Moon man posting. You can Google that one if you want to. We don't have time to explain, but that's a very old, like Internet Nazi dog whistle.

[James Stout]

Yeah.

[Mia Wong]

And, you know, I've talked a decent bit about my feelings on like focusing a lot on like the dhs Twitter dog whistles.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[Mia Wong]

But. But yeah, it is, it is in invoking of this stuff for this like mimetic, like archetypal context that they surround themselves in.

[Michael Lewis]

Yeah. And then, you know, doing the actual thing, which is going out and rounding up a whole bunch of.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah. Doing these ICE raids.

[Michael Lewis]

Non white people.

[Mia Wong]

And the ICE recruiting ads are like the clearest example of using this type of memetic imagery for their actual political project and then to enact the thing physically. And it's very clear there because there's Very little disconnect. It's an immediate transference.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah. It's just a very straight line.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah. James, you want to close us up on the great state of Alaska.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah. Talking about something not so great in Alaska, but we normally do a fundraiser at the end. So I wanted to put this here for those of you who are not aware, because this has really got not enough coverage, in my opinion. A massive storm, in fact, the remnants of a typhoon slammed into the west coast coast of Alaska, leaving more than a thousand people without shelter along the Yukon Koskokwim River. These are Alaska Native villages, and their inhabitants are now climate refugees. At the very start of winter, right in the coldest place in the United States. These villages are very remote. I spent some time earlier this year in Alaska Native village. Not here in. In the interior, just in the Gwichu territories. But these guys are really only accessible by small planes or by boats, which will make their recovery even harder. Right. They're people who have lived by the ocean or by the river for as long as people have lived in the Americas tens of thousands of years. Right. A few months ago, the Trump EPA canceled a $20 million ground for flood protection, which would have covered Kipnook, one of these villages. Kipnook now functionally doesn't exist. Houses were torn off their foundations. There are multiple videos of people's whole houses floating away. It's not just an instance of neglect or even a single failure here. It's an example of decades of ignoring the voices of indigenous people, especially Alaska Natives, when they tell us that the climate crisis is real and that it's already here. Right. When often the media looks at climate change, they tend to want to look at data they can measure in terms of numbers. Right. According to the model of Western science. But I would argue that the experience of indigenous people who have lived on the land for as long as human beings have lived anywhere on this continent and have watched the changes and seen this disaster unfold, should be a warning to all of us that the climate crisis is already here. I reached out to some Alaska Native friends to ask where to donate, and they shared a page which will be in the show notes for the show. So if you're able to help, I think that's a very important thing to do. Recovery for these people with this federal government, with being as remote as they are, will be horrifically difficult. Right now, many of them are living in Anchorage. Right. Like I said, they're going into the winter, and then they don't have a place to live. Live. It's a. It's an unmitigated disaster. So if you're able to help, I think it would be very much appreciated. Before I go, I will say that if you would like to email us, you can use our Proton mail address, coolzonetips Proton Me. If you send from a Proton mail address and it's encrypted from one end to the other end, we reported the news. We reported the news.

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