Executive Disorder: White House Weekly #42

Summary

It Could Happen Here: Executive Disorder – White House Weekly #42

Date: November 21, 2025
Hosts: Garrison Davis, Mia Wong, Robert Evans, James Stout
Podcast Network: Cool Zone Media & iHeartPodcasts

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Overview

This week’s “Executive Disorder,” your White House and world collapse roundup, covers November 13–19, 2025. The discussion dives into U.S. political chaos, explosive revelations from the Epstein files, right-wing distraction campaigns, the AI economic bubble, unprecedented federal designations of foreign terrorist organizations, and new battles over immigration laws—all delivered in the trademark irreverent, sardonic tone by Evans, Davis, Wong, and Stout.

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Key Topics & Insights

1. The J.D. Vance Jr. Sentencing Confusion

[02:27–03:19]

• A Michigan man named James Donald Vance (Jr.), not the senator, was sentenced to two years for threatening various public figures (including Trump and Elon Musk) on social media.
• The hosts riff on the confusion over names and the absurdity of political discourse.
  • “Second J.D. Vance has hit the discourse who's also named Donald, which is phenomenal.” —James Stout [03:06]

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2. Nicki Minaj Addresses the United Nations

[03:19–04:53]

• Nicki Minaj spoke about Christian persecution in Nigeria at the UN, following her social media repost of a Trump Truth Social post.
• The panel mockingly speculates about the legitimacy of her expertise and imagines a Minaj vs. Dolly Parton feud.
  • “If readers are familiar with her, it will doubtless be because of her contributions to discourse on her cousin's friend's testicles.” —Robert Evans [03:32]

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3. The Epstein Files: Wild New Revelations & Fallout

[04:55–14:43]

(a) Larry Summers Fallout

• Major new documents link influential figures (e.g., Larry Summers) to Epstein, causing high-profile resignations (OpenAI, Harvard).
• The team notes the apparent cyclical unity among the ruling class, “all friends with this pedophile.”
  • “It’s just...The historical unity of the ruling class is literally they’re all friends with this pedophile.” —Mia Wong [11:32]

(b) The “Bubba” Email

• Newly surfaced oddball 2018 email between Jeffrey Epstein and his brother Mark references “Putin having photos of Trump blowing Bubba.”
• Extended comedic parsing of “Bubba” (could refer to Bill Clinton, others, or even a horse owned by Ghislaine Maxwell).
• Mark Epstein denies “Bubba” is Clinton, but asserts released files were redacted to shield Republicans, hedging his own risk.
  • “He also said at the same time...Republicans were removing the names of Republicans from the Epstein files.” —Garrison Davis [14:03]

(c) Press & Social Class

• The New York Times frames the files as “an insight into an old New York, long departed.”
• The gang satirizes this framing as overlooking both moral and criminal rot.

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4. GOP Fallout: Marjorie Taylor Greene Goes “Resistance”

[15:01–19:58]

• Greene’s anti-Semitic and anti-Trump foreign policy pivot is exposed as a self-preservation move—disillusioned by anti-Israel shifts and Epstein fallout.
• She and other MAGA-aligned Congress members support releasing the full Epstein files; the bill passes overwhelmingly (427–1).
  • “This is a pivot...that’s pretty consistent with her anti-Semitism.” —Garrison Davis [16:59]

Mike Johnson and Trump’s Response

• House Speaker Johnson and Trump express concerns after the Senate passes the measure unamended, with possible veto hints.

  • “You owe it to yourself as a person to go actually look at this clip and watch his face.” —Mia Wong [19:03]

• Bill allows Attorney General Pam Bondi wide latitude to redact information under the guise of “national security.”

  • “They have to redact so much. Imagine how tired their wrists are going to be.” —James Stout [23:10]

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5. Distraction Machine: Trump Shooter “Trans Furry” Panic

[27:34–36:50]

• Right-wing media (notably NY Post) attempts to distract from Epstein by painting Thomas Crooks, would-be Trump assassin, as a “trans furry” due to routine pronoun defaults and DeviantArt membership.
  • “The Trump assassin was trans the whole time and we didn’t even know! The FBI covered up the trans connection!” —James Stout [29:42]
• Hosts point out the actual shooter’s search history reflects nihilistic, mass-shooting obsessed interests—a recurring profile in modern American violence.

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6. The Coming Tech/AI Economic Bust

[37:17–50:53]

• GDP growth in 2025 is almost entirely fueled by speculative data center construction, backing the AI boom (92% of first-half GDP growth = data centers).

  • “This is so much worse than the dot com bubble. ...after the dot com bubble you had infrastructure. These data centers, there’s not even practical assets.” —Mia Wong [43:03]

• Inference costs for models like OpenAI’s keep rising; the sector increasingly resembles a “super bubble”—tech, real estate, finance, all rolled into one.

  • “The greatest misallocation of capital in human history.” —Mia Wong [45:17]

• Hosts joke about a “Big Short” sequel and reference (half-jokingly) Yu-Gi-Oh as a metaphor for capital supremacy.

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7. Federal Crackdown: Foreign Terrorist Designations for European Leftists

[55:56–61:38]

• State Department designates several small, mostly anarchist/antifa groups in Europe as Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTOs)—apparently with zero consultation with local European governments.
  • “I don't quite know where they got these particular groups from.” —Robert Evans [60:24]
• Hungary cited as a possible source for some FTO info; critique that names are “alphabet soup.”

Texas Designates CAIR & Muslim Brotherhood as Terror Groups

[61:38–65:40]

• Gov. Greg Abbott labels CAIR and the Muslim Brotherhood as FTOs under a property law, mostly to bar land purchases.
  • “It’s an assault on the First Amendment...CAIR is as protected by the First Amendment as things can be in this country.” —Robert Evans [65:12]
• Panel ties this to classic Obama-era Islamophobic conspiracy theory that’s now smushed with anti-Palestinian rhetoric.

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8. Redistricting & Gerrymandering Battles

[65:40–67:53]

• Texas’ new congressional map struck down for racial gerrymandering; California less impacted due to different legislative language.
• Other redistricting court cases loom across multiple states.

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9. Russian Sabotage and Anti-Immigrant Policy Escalation in Europe

[67:53–71:00]

• New explosion damages Polish railway to Ukraine—prime minister blames Russian sabotage.
• Hosts decry European right-wing responses: increased border militarization and deaths, critiquing ethical and strategic failures.
  • “Europe’s iron border kills more people than any other border.” —Robert Evans [71:00]

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10. US Immigration Crackdown: ICE Raids & Community Pushback

[71:00–74:25]

• ICE/Border Patrol focus enforcement in Charlotte, NC, in response to pressure, including from “hate group” Center for Immigration Studies.
• Local sheriffs’ resistance to ICE detainers discussed.
• A Temecula, CA, ICE agent pulls a gun on a 17-year-old for speeding; neighborhood intervention averts tragedy.
• Action item: Fundraiser for Borderlands Relief Collective detailed in show notes.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “I see the appeal to believing that this is the answer. I simply don’t believe Don had that kind of throat game.” —Garrison Davis on Epstein’s “Bubba” email [14:03]
• “I always believed being patriotic was lining up a bunch of socialist Jews...and blasting their useless brains out with an AR.” —Reading from Trump shooter Thomas Crooks’ social media history [30:46]
• “We are witnessing the greatest misallocation of capital in human history.” —Mia Wong on the AI bubble [45:17]
• “Europe’s iron border kills more people than any other border.” —Robert Evans [71:00]
• “It’s an assault on the First Amendment...CAIR is as protected by the First Amendment as things can be in this country.” —Robert Evans on Texas’ terrorist designations [65:12]

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• J.D. Vance Jr. sentencing confusion: [02:27–03:19]
• Nicki Minaj at UN: [03:19–04:53]
• Epstein file revelations & class unity: [04:55–14:43]
• Marjorie Taylor Greene flips on Q/Trump: [15:01–19:58]
• Congress votes to release Epstein files: [19:53–23:15]
• Right’s “trans furry” panic post Trump shooting: [27:34–36:50]
• AI/data center economic bubble analysis: [37:17–50:53]
• US FTO sanctions on European anarchists: [55:56–61:38]
• Texas declares CAIR, Muslim Brotherhood FTOs: [61:38–65:40]
• Gerrymandering & redistricting lawsuits: [65:40–67:53]
• Russian sabotage & migration crisis: [67:53–71:00]
• ICE enforcement escalation in NC & CA: [71:00–74:25]

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Conclusion

This episode strikes a balance between alarming, hilarious, and soul-crushing—using irreverence to dissect a week of escalating government panic, elite scandals, financial mania, and creeping authoritarianism. Still, the hosts urge direct community assistance (as with Borderlands Relief) and, as always, remind listeners that knowing the news is step one toward action.

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For sources and further reading, check the episode notes.

Transcript

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[James Stout]

This is It Could Happen Here. Executive Disorder our weekly newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world and what this means for you. I'm Garrison Davis. Today I'm joined by Mia Wong, James Stout and Robert Evans. This episode we're covering the week of November 13th to November 19th. The biggest news I think of this whole week. J.D. vance has been sentenced to two years in prison for threatening Donald Trump and J.D. vance. This is of course James Donald Vance.

[Garrison Davis]

Jr. A different J.D.

[James Stout]

Vance, a 67 year old man from Grand Rapids, Michigan.

[Garrison Davis]

Second, J.D. vance has hit the discourse who's also.

[James Stout]

Named Donald, which is phenomenal.

[Garrison Davis]

It's amazing.

[James Stout]

Who pleaded guilty to three criminal counts based on the social media posts about killing the President. The Vice President Elon Musk and Trump Jr. Yeah.

[Robert Evans]

Not a good Donnie. Good. Yeah. Garrison. I. I would quibble that that is a bigger story this week because this is the week of cause that Nicki Minaj addressed the United Nations.

[Garrison Davis]

This is a week where years happened. Yep.

[Robert Evans]

Nicki Minaj, if readers are familiar with her, it will doubtless be because of her contributions to discourse on her cousin's friend's testicles. But this time she's back and she is talking about the persecution.

[Garrison Davis]

That's right, baby.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah. That's what we do here. She's talking about the persecution of Christians in Nigeria. Just for listeners who are not aware, Nicki Minaj is from Trinidad. Yeah. Not aware of any particular expertise or insight she has on a topic, but yeah, she did that this week.

[Garrison Davis]

Yep.

[James Stout]

At the United Nations.

[Garrison Davis]

Do we know how she decided that this was a problem she needed to get involved with?

[Robert Evans]

She reposted a truth that Donald Trump had made.

[Garrison Davis]

Not great. Not a great start.

[Robert Evans]

I believe they reached out on the basis of that. There's some tremendous statements calling her the greatest female recording artist in history. Yeah, yeah. Which sets us up nicely for a Nicki Minaj Dolly Parton beef. Yeah, I think I joined on the side of Dolly Parton in that one.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah, it would be hard not to.

[Robert Evans]

Yep. So, yeah, I guess she reposted a thing about truth that led to them reaching out. And she volunteered her time to address the United nations organization set up after World War II to try and prevent genocides. Yeah, outstanding.

[James Stout]

The truth is so beautiful.

[Garrison Davis]

Yes.

[James Stout]

Speaking of the truth, the truth coming to light. We're talking about Jeffrey Epstein again, I guess.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah. The ongoing revelations based on this guy's post death career has really been one for the books.

[James Stout]

Yeah. He really rivals Michael Jackson in more than one way.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah. Or Tupac, I would say. Tupac. No, it was when fucking John McAfee died. There were all these people being like, oh, he's got, you know. Cause McAfee had lied and said, I've got like an insurance folder that'll come out in the event of my death that'll, you know, reveal a bunch of top level secrets. And John McAfee didn't know shit. He was a crazy old drug addict who killed his nephew and then fled to South America or Central America anyway, whatever.

[James Stout]

One of the Americas.

[Garrison Davis]

One of the what? He fled to a different America than the one that he came from anyway. But that's actually happening with Jeffrey Epstein. We actually now have a lot of dirt on a lot of people. Larry Summers just left the board of OpenAI because he was revealed as a rampant misogynist and friend of a pedophile sex trafficker. Not a good look.

[James Stout]

He's also announced that after finishing his current class at Harvard, he will be resigning from Harvard University.

[Garrison Davis]

Oh, what a loss for Harvard. I don't know how they're going to.

[James Stout]

Well, it's the biggest loss since President Gay.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, Harvard, if you need someone to teach his class, I'll do it. I don't know what his class is. I don't actually know what. What's. What Larry does, what his expertise is, but I feel like I could do a better job. Yeah, bring me in.

[Robert Evans]

We do know a little bit about what Larry does, and that is the problem.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah, yeah. The sex crimes.

[James Stout]

Right after recording executive disorder last week, not the most important, but certainly the oddest email was uncovered as a part of that big documents release. This is an exchange from 2018 between Mark Epstein and Jeffrey Epstein, two brothers. Let's start with Mark. How are you doing? A while back, you mentioned that you were pre diabetic. Has anything changed with that? What is your boy Donald up to now? Jeffrey replies, all good. Bannon with me. Mark replies, ask him if Putin has the photos of Trump blowing Bubba. You know? Yeah, I. I'm gonna continue the exchange.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah. Because.

[James Stout]

Jeffrey replies, and I thought I had tourists. Mark replies, you and your boy Donnie can make a remake of the movie get hard sent via tin can and a string.

[Garrison Davis]

Oh, God.

[James Stout]

Jeffrey replied, you mean Donnie T. And Mark replied, I'd rather be in Donnie D's shoes. That's the exchange.

[Garrison Davis]

Also, what Epstein said was, was cirrus, which is a Yiddish word that means, like, problems. Like, I got. I got problems. I got shit. I'm all. I'm all fucked up. Which he was. He was not wrong about that. Look. Yeah.

[James Stout]

So Bubba. Many people have speculated that this could be a reference to former President Bill Clinton, whose nickname was Bubba and whose name is Bubba in some of these other emails, or is referred to as Bubba in some of these other emails.

[Garrison Davis]

Which is something that I've seen surprise a lot of people. If you grew up in the 90s, you were aware that his nickname was Bubba, but he has not been called Bubba in a very long time. When he, like, lost all that weight and went vegan and, like, it kind of. He stopped seeming like as much of a Bubba as he did when he was the president the Saturday Night Live made fun of in that great McDonald's sketch. But, yeah, anyway, continue, Gar.

[James Stout]

I mean, I don't know how. What else there is to say here. You know, photos have been recirculating other Bubba's Trump.

[Robert Evans]

Yes, Bubba Gump Shrimp.

[Garrison Davis]

Will the real Bubba please stand up?

[James Stout]

Photos have been recirculating of Trump, I would say groping Bill Clinton's penis.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[Mia Wong]

Yep, yep.

[Garrison Davis]

There's more there than you'd expect, right?

[Robert Evans]

Yes. Yeah, yeah.

[James Stout]

But Bubba has referred to a few people.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[James Stout]

Including other people like in Epstein's circle, like a Gulf model.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah.

[James Stout]

But Bubba was also the name of Ghislaine Maxwell's horse.

[Robert Evans]

Oh, I'm just now hearing this and that's not. I'm, I'm sorry.

[Garrison Davis]

And here, here's the thing. I see the appeal to believing that this is the answer. I simply don't believe Don had that kind of throat game. I'm sorry, I just don't, I just don't accept that.

[James Stout]

This is by far the funniest possibility that he did like a joke photo shoot where he like pretended to blow a horse.

[Garrison Davis]

I could see him doing that. I could see him.

[James Stout]

This is really understandable. This is like, this is really doable.

[Garrison Davis]

Haven't we all been there?

[James Stout]

So that is just really got. And you know, take this however you will like. Mark Epstein has denied that the Bubba referred to in the email is a reference to Bill Clinton while also admitting in this same like interview to News Nation and a statement that like, you know, Jeffrey certainly did have dirt on the president and thought that he was the only one that could sink both candidates career in 2016. Both, both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.

[Garrison Davis]

Pretty good chance that's true actually.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[James Stout]

Uh, but he, he, for what it worth is saying it's not a reference to Clinton. Who, who knows?

[Mia Wong]

There, there's a real sort of, you know, if you, if you want to do the, the sort of pop Marxist lies, there's a real sort of historical unity of the ruling class moment. When you, you read these emails and the people in them, it's like, it's Bill Clinton. It's Bill Clinton's like the people around Bill Clinton, it's Kerr. And you know, you go back and you look at like, you look at like the actual like impeachment of Bill Clinton.

[Garrison Davis]

Right.

[Mia Wong]

And you realize that every single one of these people are all friends with Jeffrey Epstein and are just kind of hanging out like.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah.

[Mia Wong]

On like on the pedophile island. And it's just.

[James Stout]

Yeah, it's, it's something that like you.

[Mia Wong]

You couldn't if like the most, the most sort of on the nose. Like, I like, completely didactic. I'm pounding your head with a hammer, like, Marxist thing from 1960, where they go, yeah, all of the presidents are hanging out on pedophile island, like, secretly conspiring behind your back. And they're taking photos of them, like, grabbing each other's dicks like you wouldn't believe. But it's like, no, no, no, no. This is just. This is. This is just. The historical unity of the ruling class is literally. They're all friends with this pedophile.

[Garrison Davis]

Well, it's just these are all wealthy, powerful people, and the only people that they socialize with is each other. You know, the New York Times came up with an out with an article this week that was like, the Epstein emails are an insight into an old New York, long departed or since departed.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, that was an incredible headline.

[Garrison Davis]

And, yeah, I mean, it was. This was like the transition between all of these people writing each other letters and all of these people just bitching publicly on the Internet openly and losing their minds. Like, the awkward interstitial period was them all emailing each other from their iPads. Right. So to that extent, the New York Times article is. Right. Not the main takeaway from the Jeffrey Epstein email. I would say probably not worth an article in the Times, but it's not wrong, technically.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah. Yeah. It's a fascinating thing to choose to cover.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah.

[James Stout]

That poor horse.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah, it's a little bit like a journalist showing up in Berlin in late 1945 and, like, going through, like, papers in the ruins of the Reichstag and being like, wow, this really reveals a lost Berlin. I was like, I mean, yeah, that's not really the point.

[James Stout]

Any other comments on Bubba?

[Robert Evans]

Did anyone ask Guys. His brother about the horse?

[James Stout]

I don't believe Mark has been asked about the horse.

[Garrison Davis]

Mark is in a. Not that I have a ton of sympathy for this guy, but just recognizing things objectively. He's in a tough position because his brother was an incredibly famous pedophile sex trafficker, and he is desperately trying not to get disappeared by the regime, or he also knows what will come after the regime. So he doesn't want to set himself up in a way where he gets in trouble from that either. Right. Like, it's a legitimately complicated situation he finds himself in that his brother just kind of left for him. And again, I don't have a lot of sympathy for the man, but I can recognize it because he also said at the same time, he was like, this definitely was not him referring to Donald Trump giving a Blowjob to Bill Clinton. He did also say that he, he believed that the Republicans were removing the names of Republicans from the Epstein files before release. Right. So he's, he has been like hedging his bets because again, he's in a lot of danger.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[Garrison Davis]

Like he's in trouble, this man. This man is in trouble.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah. Yeah. I would not be granting infamous if I was him. I would be.

[Garrison Davis]

I wouldn't say shit.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah. Like literally under the ground. Yeah, I would.

[Garrison Davis]

I would for one thing not be in a country that extradites. I would never set foot in a country with extradition treaties to the western world again.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah. The next strike in Venezuela will be Mark Epstein.

[Garrison Davis]

I would be living in Tehran right now.

[James Stout]

Let's talk about Margaery traitor Greene.

[Robert Evans]

Sure, why not?

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah. So Margaery Taylor Greene is part of the resistance now.

[James Stout]

Hashtag welcome to the resistance.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah, exactly.

[Robert Evans]

It's very like Andor. Sure.

[Garrison Davis]

It's like that point in Andor where the person who did nothing but help Emperor Palpatine suddenly at the last minute was like, ah, you know what? This guy went a step too far for me.

[James Stout]

Or ah, actually I hate Jews too much.

[Garrison Davis]

That's the. I think that's the reality.

[Robert Evans]

I wasn't sure if there was an analog for anti Semitism in the Star wars universe that I wasn't aware of.

[Garrison Davis]

Well, you probably don't want to. You don't want to go there.

[Robert Evans]

I've asked the wrong people.

[Mia Wong]

We gotta stop this right now. They're not paying us enough.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, I've made a terrible mistake.

[James Stout]

Do you have three hours, James?

[Garrison Davis]

In the early 2000s, George Lucas invented some names that are themselves hate crimes. Just be remembering the names is a hate crime.

[James Stout]

Do you want to read about the Troidarians?

[Robert Evans]

No, no. I'm as far as I get into. Into Star wars bigotry discourse is Jar Jar Binks and after that I leave.

[James Stout]

Well, it's from the same movie, but no. So yeah, Marjorie has been more combative against some of the Trump cultist mega. Right. On a few issues. One, she's extended her already evidenced anti Semitism a la Jewish space lasers towards foreign policy in this like America First Nick Fuentesi way of being critical of Israel. You, you see seeds of this because like Marjorie Taylor Greene like attended the Nick Fuentes America first conferences like four years ago. Like this Is this this side of it Not a surprising turn for her. Her finally flipping on Trump in terms of the pedophile stuff may be a little bit surprising because she was the original, like, QAnon candidate.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah.

[James Stout]

And QAnon's built on this, like, trying to justify in some ways Trump's proximity to Epstein by building this grand narrative.

[Garrison Davis]

And she made a statement recently that she's no longer all in on the Q stuff. Right. Like she has. She is. This is a pivot for her, but it's a pivot that's pretty consistent with, you know, her anti Semitism.

[Robert Evans]

It makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[James Stout]

It makes sense with, with the Israel foreign policy stuff. It also makes sense in terms of Trump's made a lot more statements directly addressing this Epstein stuff, which kind of does call into question some of, like the Q narratives, which for someone like Marjorie, might actually get her to kind of reflect on some of, some of, like this Trump cultish status that she's had for a while. This has frustrated Trump and, and, you know, Trump's also been frustrated with other members like Lauren Bobert and other like, Congress people who were pledging to vote in support of the release of the Epstein files. And this pressure was building a lot last week during this, like 20,000 document release and all this new news coverage. And as these, as more and more Republicans began to deflect from Trump over the release of the Epstein files, Trump himself flipped his rhetoric over this past weekend, still calling the debate over the files a Democrat hoax, but truthing that the files should be released because we, quote, unquote, have nothing to hide. And he called on Republicans to vote in favor of the bill to release the Epstein files, which they did on Tuesday in a 427 to 1 vote with Representative Clay Higgins, the Republican from Louisiana, the only congressman to vote no. Hours later, Chuck Schumer unanimously passed the measure through the Senate. Mike Johnson had previously expected the Senate to amend the bill to, quote, make sure we don't do permanent damage to the political system, unquote. What things have to say. After its passage through the Senate, Johnson seemed quite worried that it went through the upper chambers in its current form. And I want to play this clip here because it's kind of shocking to hear him, hear him freak out.

[Mia Wong]

And before we say this, you owe it to yourself as a person to go actually look at this clip and watch his face. It is amazing.

[Robert Evans]

I haven't seen this. I'm excited.

[James Stout]

It'll be in the sources below.

[Garrison Davis]

Any reaction to Lee Bethune, you seeing.

[James Stout]

The bill without adding amendments or changing it?

[Garrison Davis]

I am. I'm deeply disappointed in this outcome. I think I've told. I've been a state dinner. I Don't know. I was just told that Chuck Schumer rushed it to the floor and put it out there preemptively. It needed amendments. I just spoke to the president about that.

[Robert Evans]

We'll see what happens. So is he, do you think he may veto it? You say you spoke to the president?

[Garrison Davis]

I'm not saying that. Is he supportive of it in its current form? We both have concerns about it, so we'll see. I was standing there with the crown prince, who could have. Are you frustrated in the majority leader?

[Mia Wong]

Are you upset with the majority leader?

[James Stout]

Cool.

[Garrison Davis]

Nice.

[James Stout]

What a, what a normal, what a normal interaction that is also worth noting.

[Mia Wong]

At the very end of that video he says I was eating with the crown Prince because he is again walking out of a state dinner with one Muhammad bin Salman. The, the, the, yeah, I, I, I don't even, I, list of war crimes here. The, the Sudanese child soldier exterminator, et cetera, et cetera.

[James Stout]

But no, it's safe to say that both Johnson and President Trump have concerns about the state of the bill. And Johnson seemed a little bit wishy washy on if the president would even sign this or veto this. Now, it's not all bad for the president. I, I, oh, I'm, I'd like to see old Donnie J. Wiggle his way out of this jam. This bill that has passed does allow Attorney General Pam Bondi to, to withhold or redact portions of the files that could jeopardize active federal investigations and personally determine if information in the files should remain classified to protect national security. Last weekend Trump ordered Bondi to launch investigations looking into connections between Epstein and prominent Democratic politicians and donors. Here's a clip from a Wednesday, November 19th press conference.

[Garrison Davis]

Attorney General, do you mean that you will provide all the files by 30 days? We will follow the law. The law passed both chambers last evening. It has not yet been signed. But, but we will continue to to follow the law again while protecting victims but also providing maximum transparency.

[Robert Evans]

Madam Attorney General, the DOJ statement earlier.

[Garrison Davis]

This year saying that the files would not release mentioned the question fact that the review of the documents and the evidence did not suggest that any additional.

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[Garrison Davis]

What changed since then that you launched this investigation? Information that has come for information, information change information that new information, additional information. And again we will continue to follow the law to investigate any leads if there are any victims. We encourage all victims to come forward and we will continue to provide maximum transparency under the law.

[James Stout]

Very normal, very normal response.

[Garrison Davis]

Uh huh, yeah. That doesn't sound sketchy. Sure.

[Mia Wong]

I have never at any point in the last eight years, 12 years, however long we've been in this hellscape, been a piss tape believer, this looking at these people's faces is the closest I've ever been to being like, no, maybe that shit's real and maybe it's in there because there's clearly something in there that they are just. They're just going through it.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah. This is wild.

[James Stout]

Yeah. Some of these guys seem to seem a little bit concerned.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah, yeah, they. I wonder why. Surely there's no.

[James Stout]

I mean, imagine the workload ahead of them. They have to redact so much.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah.

[James Stout]

They have to get so many of those markers. Imagine how tired their wrists are going to be.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah. It's like that feeling when you come back from a reporting trip and you're like, shit, now I have to do the job.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, yeah. Yes. I'm familiar with that feeling.

[James Stout]

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[Garrison Davis]

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[Garrison Davis]

Yeah, let's go ahead and do that.

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[Garrison Davis]

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[Garrison Davis]

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May 24, 1990. A pipe bomb explodes in the front seat of environmental activist Judy Berry's car. I knew it was a bomb the second that it exploded. I felt it rip through me with just a force more powerful and terrible than anything that I could describe. In season two of Rip Current, we.

[Mia Wong]

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[Garrison Davis]

The men and women who were hurt had planned to lead a summer of militant protest against logging practices in Northern California.

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[Mia Wong]

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[James Stout]

Now I would like to take some time to discuss probably the second most important news story of the whole week. Do it.

[Garrison Davis]

Sure.

[James Stout]

Which is totally not a Hail Mary distraction to get away from the Epstein stuff. This is totally legitimate and totally newsworthy.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah.

[James Stout]

On Monday, November 17, a piece in the prestigious outlet, the New York Post opinion section provided earth shattering revelations.

[Garrison Davis]

Revelations here.

[James Stout]

That's the word. About the attempted Trump assassination. Claiming to have discovered evidence that Thomas Crooks, the shooter, had two possible accounts on DeviantArt.

[Garrison Davis]

Which, yeah, this really is the biggest story.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[James Stout]

Which the Post, New York Post describes as, quote, one of the biggest online hubs for furry art and the furry community. A furry is someone who has an interest in anthropomorphized animal characters, often as a sexual fetish, unquote, every time. Later reporting in the New York Post claimed that one of these accounts had only shared a single post quote, a repost of a towering muscular female bodybuilder and a slight man in his underwear, unquote, and quote, multiple searches for muscular women and female bodybuilders were found on Crook's supposed YouTube search history.

[Garrison Davis]

He's a real pervert then. Excellent. Yes.

[James Stout]

Beautiful quote. Oh, it's not, it's. Oh, Robert, that's. That's not even the worst part. The furry stuff. Obviously problematic considering our past few furry mass shooters is maybe a trend here. We should look into this. But possibly the most damning piece of information in the New York Post reporting is that Crooks quote, described himself with the pronouns they them on the platform DeviantArt, which is one of the biggest hubs for furry art and the furry community. This became the big thing among the right. Another trans shooter. The Trump, the Trump assassin was trans the whole time and we didn't even know the FBI covered up the trans connection. Here it's all coming together. More, more red string on the board. The trans, the trans shooter narrative is growing more and more evident by the day. Right? This, this is the way that this was framed across all of these. All these commentators.

[Mia Wong]

Who's the president right now? How is this supposed to work?

[Robert Evans]

At the time they investigated it, Biden would have been president, right? Or they began their investigation.

[James Stout]

The New York Post did reach out to the current FBI for comment. They did not receive a response. Deep state, the New York Post's reporting like in these, in, in these like opinion pieces and I think later an article that they did, did, did later include references to quote violently anti Semitic comments and racist remarks about Hispanic immigrants that seems crooks also made including YouTube comments from 2019. Quote, this is going to be blatantly racist. But I hope Trump has these people the squad murdered.

[Garrison Davis]

Oh great.

[James Stout]

I always believed being patriotic was lining up a bunch of socialist Jews like the ones that booed Trump and blasting their useless brains out with an ar. I hope a quick painful death to all the deplorable immigrants and anti Trump congresswoman, unquote. Obviously the right wing commentators are not talking about this sort of stuff. They're not talking about crooks, actual politics or political shifts during the pandemic where he started getting kind of more Trump critical but still from a conservative perspective. Instead the story is now to quote libs of TikTok Charlie Kirk, killer furry fetish. Trump shooter, furry fetish, ID firefighter killer furry fetish. What's going on? Right wing podcaster and disgraced buzzfeed journalist Benny Johnson quote, it has now been confirmed that attempted Trump assassin Thomas Crooks used they them pronouns, had a deep interest in furries and was exploring gender identity. Add it to the list. This list is then a list of both real and many not real, quote unquote, trans mass shooters. Another account, DC Drano, who was part of the White House photo op team during the initial fake release of the fake Epstein files. Not that the files were fake, but like this fake media presentation around releasing the already released and actually even more redacted versions of already public files. DC Drano was one of these guys who was like paraded around as like a prop holding up these binders of files he posted, quote, unquote. It is now confirmed the Deep State tried to cover up that Thomas Crooks was a transgender extremist. He used they them pronouns and then shot President Trump. We need a massive crackdown against violent trans extremism. This sort of stuff is losing steam. This sort of stuff is not spreading around the way that it has been previously. It's very clear that this is a blatant distraction away from unflattering stories about Trump in terms of the economy and specifically Epstein and all of this. You know, you, you might be wondering why maybe no other outlets are picking this stuff up. And that could be due to the dubious nature of the New York Post's sourcing on these claims, but also the fact that DeviantArt automatically lists a user's pronouns as they them as the default setting. If pronouns are not specified. This is the setting that everyone gets. You have to actively try to change it. There is no indication Thomas Crooks specifically set pronouns to they them. He is not a transgender extremist. He, like many Gen Z people, is aware of furry art online. This is very common. This is a very common thing. But the Post had a few other things they tried to tried to wrap this story around to give it some credibility, including this post from the DeviantArt alleged to belong to Thomas Crooks, which is a picture of someone shooting someone else in the head, which the New York Post calls another artwork appeared to feature a shooting against a backdrop of the trans flag colors. This is not the trans flag nor the trans flag colors. This is a blue and black purple background.

[Mia Wong]

What?

[James Stout]

Purple is not in the trans flag colors. You can maybe argue this is Magenta, maybe. But this is not a trans flag. This is not a LGBTQ pride flag. This isn't even the bisexual flag, which does use these same colors. This is just like a sky blue and a magenta purple backdrop, which they are trying to frame as further evidence of Thomas Crook's transgender ties. But what is kind of interesting is as a part of the social media accounts alleged to be linked to Crooks that have appeared in new reporting from both the New York Post and Tucker Carlson's own news outlet. But as a part of this reporting on Crooks, possible online background included a collection of search results or like search history from April of 2019 to May of 2020, which lines up with stuff that me and Robert have been talking about for a while in that this guy seemed to have the ideology or non ideology of a school shooter. This is the actual through line across this act of violence. These searches include, quote, crazy chemical reactions. Deadliest mass shootings in the world. People attacking pride parades, cars running over protesters getting away with racism. Best places for a mass shooting. Pulse nightclub. Pulse nightclub. Police body camera. Mass shooting El Paso mass shooting. Trump civil war. Trump church shooting. Video Guns versus protesters. Orlando shooting reaction. Why I'm missing handgun. Firing an AR15 as fast as possible. Fertilizer bomb. How do you use a tourniquet? How to make napalm. Molotov cocktail. How to make Molotov cocktail. Mixing gasoline with styrofoam. Mass shooting. Canada, Oklahoma bombing. Sniper in Dallas shooting, unquote.

[Garrison Davis]

Man, he was in real trouble hitting with his pistol, huh?

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And his rifle, it turns out.

[Garrison Davis]

Probably choking up too much on the trigger, I'd guess.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah. Many such cases. Yeah, yeah. But that's a pretty clear theme that you've established there, Garrison. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[James Stout]

Like, you see this in. In some way being like a. Not necessarily an actual precursor, but in the same vein that some of these like TCC people later would, you know, start developing these past few years of this just obsession with doing violence, this obsession with mass killings, with bombings. And some of it takes the form of like, you know, what looks like political violence, like the Oklahoma City bombing. But a lot of it is. Is very nihilistic. That's all I have on the explosive. Reporting from the New York Post.

[Garrison Davis]

Great, great.

[James Stout]

I don't know how to segue from that list of Google searches to tariff talk, but, you know, what I've been searching for is this music.

[Mia Wong]

So this is actually a very. This has been a very, very light week on tariff news. It is almost entirely composed of people arguing about whether you're going to get the tariff check, which, no, you're not, you're not going to get a check from the government with tariff money. It's just not happening. So I thought, I thought I'd take a second to pull out and look at some of the macro stuff that's happening in the economy and look at why it feels like a recession even though there isn't one. And the answer is that you and me and everyone in this room and probably most of the people cystically listening to this podcast are effectively in a recession. And the reason I can say this is that there's, there's pretty good numbers from the Harvard economist Jason Furman, who points out that if you, if you look at. So okay, so recession is, is, is, is three consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth. Right? And this is a, not like a perfect economic indicator. But you know, as Jason Furman points out, 92% of GDP growth in the first half of this year is in a category that's called information processing equipment and software. And so. Okay, what is that? That is all data center. It's all data center construction. It is 92% of all of our GDP growth.

[Garrison Davis]

Well, the good news is that, for example, Oracle didn't just make a big deal with OpenAI to provide them with computing resources and after making this $300 billion deal, has dropped $315 billion in valuation. Like that didn't happen. Obviously things are good in an AI world. There's not a bunch of people pulling their money out of Nvidia as fast as they can.

[Mia Wong]

We're getting to that. Yeah. One of them again, Peter Thiel, pulling his money out right now. Getting all of this shit out.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah, get your shit out. Fucking Michael Burry is now shorting the AI industry.

[Mia Wong]

I will say this, the Michael Burry short thing is literally the only thing that I've ran into that actually makes me be like that. Like Michael Burry versus the AI industry is like really truly is the great duel of the stoppable force and the movable object. Yeah, like that's, we're, we're not dealing with like world rending titans here, but.

[Garrison Davis]

You know, but we are, we are going to get a sequel to the Big Short that's going to really struggle to be entertaining. Because with the Big Short, what was fun was these guys realizing how fucked the, this like, system based on like really bad like tranches of debt and how badly it was going to fuck the economy. And with AI, it's just going to be like literally everyone in the world except for the people in media and politics being like this seems like grift. I don't know, man. This seems bad. And them all being like, no, no, no, bro, trust me. No, no, no. And then it all goes to shit. Yeah.

[Mia Wong]

I'm going to do a full episode about this at some point. There's a really good interview on a, on the Bloomberg podcast called Odd Lots with this guy named Paul Kudrowski who points out that. Well a, he has a great line about calling this like the super bubble, basically, where it's, it's every single kind of speculative bubble rolled into one. Because all these data centers are being financed with like the, with the equivalent of mortgage backed securities.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah. These are, these are subprime loans for tech companies. Right. Like that's, that's what's financing all of this.

[James Stout]

Yeah.

[Mia Wong]

And then these buildings. Right. It's also, it's also a real estate bubble because all of these data centers are taking a ridiculous amount of real estate. There's a tech bubble. And the single thing that. And again, we're going to do a longer episode about this later. The thing is, the thing that's the most unhinged to me about this and it's, you know, even, even excluding the fact that, you know, all of these processors that they're using in these data centers burn out after about a year and a half because they're just running them constantly, is that if you look at like the housing collapse in 2008. Right. And you look at what was underlying all of those bad assets, there were houses there.

[Garrison Davis]

Right.

[Mia Wong]

At the end of the day, all of these banks can go in and they can take your house. And that's really bad, obviously. But what is the underlying asset for all of these tranches of all these tranches of debt? The underlying asset that you're supposed to be taking, you know, that's supposed to be the collateral is compute power.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah.

[Mia Wong]

Now, now.

[Robert Evans]

It seems fine.

[James Stout]

This is not a real asset.

[Robert Evans]

It's just fine because people can live in the computer power and we all need to live in a computer power. So it's fine. It's not like.

[Garrison Davis]

Look, the bad news is things are gonna be really bad for a lot of people. Oh yeah. And they already are, probably most people, and they're going to get worse. The good news is once we get past, you know, if this is the way the dot com bubble went. Right. Once we get past this crash that's brought on by, you know, a mix of greed and insanity and ignorance and lies, then we can finally get to the Internet changing society in only positive ways, which is what happened after the dot com bubble. You know, we got, we got Google, we got Twitter, we got Instagram, we got all of these great apps that have made our lives nothing but better, you know, so I'm looking forward. How could I forget Getter wouldn't be.

[Robert Evans]

Furries if there wasn't DeviantArt with the DeviantArt.

[Garrison Davis]

Exactly. How would we know who was termed with Jesus, the President without DeviantArt and.

[Robert Evans]

What their pronouns were and what their pronouns.

[Garrison Davis]

Pronouns may have been.

[Mia Wong]

Well, I do, I do, I do want to make a serious note about this because I've seen a lot of compare people who compare this to the dot com bubble and this is so much worse because the dot com bubble, and you look at the telecom bubble afterwards, right? There were actual assets there, right. You know, like the only way people talk about this is like there was.

[Garrison Davis]

Pets.Com but there was real stuff too. Real pets.

[James Stout]

Yeah.

[Mia Wong]

And you know, when a telecom bubble goes under, right, there's still a whole bunch of like fiber optic networks that they've set up that you could, you know, people, people with a bunch of money afterwards can come scrape up. And there's, there's the material base of something here. These data centers, there's.

[Garrison Davis]

They're not practical if the. Because. And this is what the reason. Because our colleague Ed Zetron had a big scoop last week that's getting a shitload of attention right now for good reason, which is that inference cost has been raising consistently for OpenAI, which is increasing their, like it's fucking their margins and it's increasing their losses, which is why they keep losing more money each quarter. And the idea behind why people thought OpenAI could be a good business is that these inference costs, which is basically the cost that it takes to keep making the models better, right, that that was going to decline once they hit a certain level that like you're not going to need to. It's super expensive to get the models to a point where they're good, but once they're good, then they get to be really cheap. And that's not really true based on the data that we have. And they were lying about it kind of, you know, they were not, not in a way that was legally actionable. They're not a publicly traded company. They were not required to release this to the public. It does seem like they were honest with their investors like Microsoft. Right. They were lying to us, right. To regular people in order to pretend this was a business that had a lot better of a shot of being successful in the way it needs to be. The problem with AI is as, as a money thing is not that there's no profit in this. It's not that there's no use for any of these tools. There are many uses and there are many potential businesses. It's that none of them equal trillion dollars, which is what, the minimum that they need to be profitable. Right. And these data centers are all based on the bet that. No, no, actually this is a multi trillion dollar industry and we need this much compute. Right.

[Mia Wong]

And this is, this is the greatest misallocation of capital in human history. There has never been anything like this. There has never been this much of the capital on earth poured into nothing. Because there's, there's not, there's not even physical assets left. Right? The physical assets are burned out graphics cards.

[Garrison Davis]

Because a lot of these data centers aren't built and they don't last. Yeah, right. That's what we're getting to like yes, they have a building. They have a building you can run power to, but the graphics cards don't last.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah, like, and you know, and at the end of this, right, you, you have a bunch of buildings that don't do anything attached to like extremely expensive diesel generators. And I am praying the one thing that makes me like I hope this goes down quickly is that I am praying that this bubble goes down before they actually start trying to build nuclear, like really, truly get off the ground building a bunch of nuclear reactors. Because can you imagine these guys who created a computer that can't win at chess trying to build nuclear reactors.

[Garrison Davis]

I think we should let them do it.

[James Stout]

Agreed.

[Robert Evans]

Fuck it.

[Garrison Davis]

Why not?

[Mia Wong]

I long.

[Garrison Davis]

Why not?

[Mia Wong]

I long for stalker.

[Garrison Davis]

No, I mean it's one of the, this is like the point that is meaningful here is that after the dot com bubble you were able to have a massive boom that created a bunch of wealth. It created wealth doing things that were often super bad for society, but it created a shitload of wealth because real infrastructure had been put in place that actually enabled the whole country to get connected. It enabled the birth of like the mobile computing revolution and whatnot. Because a lot of groundwork had been laid that was really meaningful even though a number of the businesses involved in it didn't work out. And that's really not what we're seeing because it's hard to imagine assuming there's not a multi trillion dollar need for AI, assuming everyone isn't going to do everything for the rest of their lives through AI agents and do all of their thinking through ChatGPT. Unless that's the reality we're in. These are not good investments. And the only thing I can compare it to in terms of what you were saying to me about this being like the worst allocation of capital in history, because I've been reading a lot about like the nuclear arms race and it was one of those things where you go from we've dropped tens of thousands of bombs over the course of five years to if we were to accidentally launch these 10 missiles, it would be more explosive power than has ever been detonated in the entire history of human war. Added together up to the present moment. Right. Like that is the. Because of. And part of this was enabled by the actual like Internet boom. Right. The one that brought about Web 2.0 in the Social media era. Right. Like all of that wealth and all of the money that poured into these VCs who'd gotten on board companies like Facebook that had to be created to allow something this irrational because 20 years ago, if the technology had been there, there wouldn't have been the money to enable this kind of insanity.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[Mia Wong]

Well, and I think that the last thing, I mean, I guess there's two more things that I want to say about this. One is that this is also part of the cyclical economic crises that we've been looking at since the 70s, which is that one of the ways you get these bubbles is that there are suddenly these unlike unbelievably massive trillion dollar pool, like trillions of dollars of pools of capital that you're trying to find something to invest in. Right. You have to reproduce it. And this is one of the things that causes, for example the third world debt crisis in the 70s is all of this capital flows into all of these third world debt things. It eventually. This is, this is one of the things that powers first the Japanese giant housing bubble that they did that caused the Asian market collapse in the early 90s and then caused 2008 is that there's all of these pools of capital they have to turn into more capital and they can't do it. And when they can't do it, you get 2008. Right. And they've been able to sort of hang on for about a decade, a decade and a half. Ish. Roughly because there was so much money coming in from this, from this tech sector. But everyone outside of the tech sector, it sucks. It's bad. This is part of the reason why everything feels unhinged right now. Right. Okay. There's obviously kind of a problem with trying to track employment data just by seeing news of firings, because companies just do firings because it makes their stocks go up, because it makes investors think they're being more efficient, which is nonsense. But it's why it feels like this. It's why you feel broke. And everyone is talking about how the economy is growing and it's like, well, yeah, this really small sector of tech has accumulated an unfathomable amount of wealth and they are getting very, very rich and everyone else is fucked. You know? And when this bubble collapse, when these people take all of the money they got out of tech and have thrown it into the metaverse and AI. Yeah, when that blows up, it is going to be cataclysmic. And we're getting closer to it.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah, yeah. The only one of them that will be left is Gabe Newell. Sitting on his insane yacht, finally releasing half life.

[Mia Wong]

He could probably appoint himself dictator for life after that.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah, he'll be the only one with money left. What else would he do? All of the money is in Gabe Newell's pockets. The only asset is Steam. We've had it replace the military.

[Mia Wong]

Now this is amazingly the plot of Yu Gi oh yeah. You think I'm joking? I'm actually dying.

[Garrison Davis]

No, I never paid attention to Yu Gi oh.

[Mia Wong]

The plot of Yu Gi oh is the card game becomes so profitable that the guy who runs the card game company fights a battle with all the entire military industrial complex and defeats them because he's making more money than they are. So.

[Garrison Davis]

Ok, great. Yeah, I guess. I think that's. That. That sounds better than what we're doing.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mia Wong]

Okay.

[Robert Evans]

We can't go this far without mentioning Tulip Mania.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah, yeah, sure.

[Robert Evans]

The perfect historical comparison, right? No one.

[Mia Wong]

You can eat a tulip bulb if you really have to.

[Robert Evans]

I think they're poisonous.

[Garrison Davis]

I don't think you can eat a tulip. I don't know.

[Mia Wong]

I shouldn't say that. But they're more edible than a graphics card.

[James Stout]

Mia is telling every listener to go out and find a tulip bulb and eat it.

[Mia Wong]

Putting this on my tombstone more as.

[Robert Evans]

An infinite cup than a tulip and a graphics card. Do a side by side.

[Garrison Davis]

Don't do this, don't do that.

[Robert Evans]

If you have a tulip, you can tag Mia on Bluesky at I write. Okay, send her a picture of your face. Post tulip if you've eaten one.

[Garrison Davis]

Just.

[Robert Evans]

But don't eat one on our account. Talking of other things not to do. Yeah, all right. It here's an ad for Tulips.

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A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers. But it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught, the answers were there, hidden in plain sight. So why did it take so long to catch him? I'm Josh Zieman and this is Monster Hunting the Long Island Serial Killer, the investigation into the most notorious killer in New York since the Son of Sam. Available now listen for free on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts.

[Garrison Davis]

All I know is what I've been told.

[James Stout]

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[Robert Evans]

All right, we're back and I am going to talk about a number of things. I guess the first thing I should talk about is the. The sanctions and FTO's designation for various leftist groups in Europe. There are four entities that the State Department has announced. They've already been sanctioned and I believe they'll be added to the FTO list either today or tomorrow as we're recording this. So it will be on the foreign terrorist organization list by the time you hear this on Friday. The four entities are called Antifa OST AKA Hammerbund, Hammer Gang, the informal anarchist federation. That's an Italian group. They use the initials faith. Also the, they use F R I. That is not the same as the FAI that you're familiar with from the Spanish Civil War, if that's your thing. And then two Greek groups called Armed Proletarian justice and Revolutionary Class Self Defense.

[Garrison Davis]

Notes on the names, guys. I guess I shouldn't but I have notes on the names.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, well, I mean, Robert, they're European leftist groups. It's going to be.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah, yeah, of course it's going to be as many syllables as they can possibly.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, yeah. It is an Alphabet soup. So a couple of notable things here. The US doesn't seem to have coordinated with the States where these entities exist. For example, the German government, they prosecuted people who they've accused of being members of Antifa Ost recently, I think it was in September. And they claimed that the threat of violence for them has, quote, decreased Significantly, which is contradicting, Right. The claim that these are. These are violent groups. The State Department, when it talks about Antifa Oz talks about a series of attacks in February of 2023. What's missing from the analysis of February 2023 is what was happening in February 2023. It was an event in Hungary which existed to honour Nazis. I don't mean Nazis like people who have a right wing political ideology. I mean like members of the NSDAP in Germany who fought in World War II at the time when they were doing the Holocaust. The rally included several groups which were already sanctioned by US allies, including Blood and Honor Combat 18. Jesus. Not going to go into an in depth history of either of those groups. They're neo Nazi groups. Right. The 18 is Adolf Hitler 1 8. These are the people who are, as far as I'm aware, the victims of that February 2023 violence. Right. Notably though, antifa OST was sanctioned by Hungary earlier this year.

[Garrison Davis]

Right.

[Robert Evans]

Hungary under Orban fast moving towards an extremely right wing, I think what political scientists like to call it an illiberal democracy. Right.

[James Stout]

This sucks to hear. I mean, with this news, I feel like we might need to pull out of. Viktor Orban presents Hungary for Comedy. The upcoming Cool Zone headlined comedy festival.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah. So many of our famous comedian friends have been planning to join us.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah. We are doing that show in Riyadh though. Yeah, that's still on. Yeah, yeah.

[Robert Evans]

The other groups aren't explicitly anti fascist. Right.

[James Stout]

Because this is getting framed in support of Trump's like anti antifa crackdown.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[James Stout]

Trying to find foreign terrorist organizations linked to antifa. But these other three groups are not explicitly like antifa in name or scope, it seems.

[Robert Evans]

No, exactly. Right. So most of them are anarchist groups.

[Garrison Davis]

Right.

[Robert Evans]

And just to like delve very briefly in two lines into things I have literally written a book about. Anti fascism is a left unity position derived from the Comintern position that it adopted its Congress in 1935. These groups do not call themselves anti fascist. Right. There is a distinction between anarchism and antifascism which can be seen very acutely in the May 1937 events of the Spanish Civil War. But these groups have neither claimed antifascism nor as far as I'm aware, have any of them killed anyone. I believe that the antifa OST people being prosecuted, one of them is being prosecuted for attempted murder. In other cases they have been responsible for explosions or attempted bombings. Normally to be designated an fto, they would have to be a threat to either US People or the United States as an entity. Right. There doesn't appear to be any evidence that these groups have any ties to anyone in the United States or present any immediate danger to the United States. I don't quite know where they got these particular groups from.

[Mia Wong]

It's so weird. It's a completely baffling list of groups. Like even looking at like Greek anarchist groups.

[Garrison Davis]

I mean, my, my guess is that someone in the Trump administration has a friend in Orban's administration and asked them, hey, who are some antifa's? We can go after that. You guys, like, you know, Europe.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[James Stout]

The Greek anarchist groups specifically are some of the more interesting inclusions here.

[Mia Wong]

They're not the Greek anarchist groups you would expect them to be going after. It's very weird.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah. Like, they're not groups I was familiar with. Like, admittedly, you know, I don't speak Greek. I don't, I don't read Greek. I don't, I don't pay that much attention to that part of the world. But like, there are other groups which are more notorious like it. It's very odd that they've come up with the antifa of one. I agree, Garrison. I think the lineage is more obvious there. But the, the other three.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah.

[Robert Evans]

I'm not entirely clear on how they got to those. Contact us if you have ideas. The other terrorist designation that happened this week, which is breaking as we record on Wednesday 19th November, is that Greg Abbott has declared CAIR, this Centre for American Islamic Relations, and the Muslim Brotherhood as foreign terrorist organizations. Jesus. Yeah.

[Mia Wong]

Jesus Christ.

[Robert Evans]

Texas doesn't appear to have an FTO list, as far as I can tell. What this seems to be is a designation under SB17, which parts passed earlier this year, which relates to property law. It would stop the Muslim Brotherhood or care as a national 501C3 renting or buying property in Texas. I'm not sure the Muslim Brotherhood intended to rent or buy property in Texas. Most of SB17 deals with nationals and entities linked to China, Russia and North Korea. It's trying to not have them buy large chunks of Texas, but it also does have this mechanism in it. So just. Muslim Brotherhood is a Sunni Islamist organization. It has participated in violence, but not for some time. It has its origins in Egypt. It does a lot of social programming. Cair, most people will be familiar with. Right. CAIR has already issued a response letter and in their letter they said, quote, your proclamation has no basis in law or fact. You do not have the authority to unilaterally declare any Americans or American institutions, terrorist groups, nor is there any basis to level this smear against our organization. It's probably worth noting that there was a DOJ investigation into epic. Not that epic the one you're thinking of, probably, but the, this is the El Paso Islamic Center. That investigation was closed. Right. But this is not the first time that they have attempted to. It's just very clearly in Islamophobia out of Texas. Right. Like that is what this is.

[Mia Wong]

This is also just an ancient sort of Obama era conspiracy where all of these people were all convinced that Obama was part of the Muslim Brotherhood and that there was this whole network of Muslim Brotherhood operatives that were like running the country. And really sort of, if you squint hard enough, it was like, well, there's a bunch of people from the UAE who are kind of involved in some stuff, but this is like one of their. They're kind of fusing this old school, like, old, old school Islamophobic stuff with their like, kind of very specific current contemporary targets by sort of running these two together.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, Mia's right. I think Ted Cruz has tried to, to get the Muslim Brotherhood on the FTO list like several times. Yet there's this old, like from like the golden age of right wing conspiracies. Right. Like the Bohemian Grove era. There's this idea that, yeah, they're on like a, it's like a 50 or 100 year plan to bring the US under Sharia law. And like, it's, it's that old. It's, it's Boomer stuff. Yes. Combined with now trying to explicitly link them to Hamas. Right. So yeah, that, that is great.

[James Stout]

That's not great.

[Robert Evans]

I would disagree, James.

[James Stout]

I think that's not great.

[Garrison Davis]

I'll be br.

[James Stout]

Brave enough to say it.

[Mia Wong]

Don't love it.

[Robert Evans]

No, it is a, it's an assault on the, the First Amendment. Like the, the stuff the inclusion of.

[James Stout]

CARE is, is like, is absolutely outrageous.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, CARE is a very respectability.

[James Stout]

Like a civil rights organization.

[Robert Evans]

Like liberal civil rights organization.

[Garrison Davis]

They're the least threatening organization in the world.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, no, like they have advocated for an end to the genocide of people in Palestine, which is a perfectly reasonable and legal thing to advocate for. They have not expressed support for political violence. Yeah, CARE is, is like as, as protected by the First Amendment as things can be in this country. It's. This is bonkers. So, yeah, I guess CARE is already presumably preparing a court case.

[James Stout]

In other Texas news, a three panel judge in Texas just struck down Texas's newly drawn congressional map in Federal court with Trump appointed Judge Jeffrey Brown finding that, quote, substantial evidence shows that Texas racially gerrymandered the 2025 map, unquote. The judge has required Texas use its previous 2021 map for the upcoming midterm elections. What's really. What's really funny here is that before the elections in November, where the California redistricting measure was up for vote, Newsom specifically removed language in that measure that framed the California redistricting as a triggering event. As in, if the Texas one passes, then the California one can go into effect. Newsom specifically removed this.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah. The trigger language wasn't there, which means.

[James Stout]

That California now just wiped out five Republican seats and Texas probably won't be able to do anything about it.

[Robert Evans]

That's still a challenge the California GOP are also trying to challenge.

[James Stout]

Yes. And this Texas case is set to be heard before the Supreme Court. There's a few other redistricting measures, I think, in Louisiana and in North Carolina, a few other states are trying to do this. But there is a possible future in which Texas is not allowed to racially gerrymander and California is able to go forward with their redistricting because it may not have been specifically violating this like a racial gerrymandering aspect that Judge Jeffrey Brown found was affecting the Texas maps intentionally.

[Robert Evans]

The GOP claim is that California is, quote, favoring Hispanic voters. That's going good. It's going to be a harder landing to stick. Right. Given that there are Latino people in every square mile of California. Like, it's. Yeah, that's going to be a rougher one for them.

[James Stout]

And specifically, the stuff that Judge Brown found is, like, in the way that these districts were redrawn, it was to totally exclude non white voters in some of these districts.

[Robert Evans]

All right, one, for the train fans in the audience, a section of railway that connects Warsaw to Lublin in southeastern Poland, which then connects onto Ukraine, was destroyed by an explosion earlier this week. Overhead cables further down the track were also damaged. This comes as drone incursions into European airspace continue. Donald Tusk, the Polish Prime Minister, called the act sabotage. And it seems extremely likely that he is correct about that. Right. I guess we haven't explicitly covered this on Ed very much, but there have been dozens of documented Russian operations in Europe since the expanded invasion of Ukraine that began in 2021. What's concerning to me about this is that Europe is responding to some of these by accusing Russia of trying to destabil polities by sending migrants there. It's likely true that Russia is messing with Migration flows. I mean, it is demonstrably true in some cases, right? Responding to this by hardening borders, deploying troops to borders, is not the solution to that problem. Europe's iron border kills more people than any other border. And hardening that border is only going to kill more people. Like, if you want to be the shining city on a hill. Right. If you want to be, I think that title is maybe up for grabs. If you want to be the place that stands out as like a safe place for democracy, you don't do that by killing migrants. And so Europe's response to this is extremely disappointing. Right. And I wanted to highlight that because I don't see that in the coverage. Yes, Russia escalating its meddling in Europe is extremely concerning. But like, if we accept that Russia is a, is a totalitarian state or going in that direction, then we should also therefore accept that people are going to want to leave that and many other states where they cannot have autonomy, where they cannot live healthy and full lives, and we should welcome them. Talking of people leaving places where they cannot have autonomy and have full and happy lives, let's talk about immigration in the United States. Very quickly, Border Patrol and Gregory Bevino have moved their internal enforcement Eye of Sauron to Charlotte, North Carolina. This seems in large part due to some racists on X.com demanding that they do so. I shouldn't say in large part. I guess in some part there has been video already showing Bovino participating in detentions at a Home Depot car park. I've said two words there, which of course one of my colleagues, a smirk, a giggle at me, stand by both of them. So yeah, it is in part right, due to x.com the everything website being a haven for racism. But I think it's also worth noting, In 2018, Democrat sheriffs in five North Carolina counties ran on the platform of not cooperating with ice. All of these, I believe, were black sheriffs. And ICE pushed back hard right? Including with a billboard campaign. Last year, the North Carolina Republican state legislature overrode a Veto to pass HB10, which required agencies to cooperate with ICE and honour their detainers. A detainer is basically when ICE is like, hey, you've arrested this person. We want you to hold them for a bit longer so we can come pick them up for ICE reasons. Since then, Meckleburg County Sheriff McFadden has claimed that ICE has failed to collect people on detainers 163 times. So this would be. They would normally have a 48 hour detainer right. They'd hold them 48 extra hours. I should come get. When they are held on the detainer, it is still the state that is responsible for them. It is the state that is paying for the cost of incarcerating that person. It is the state that is still incarcerating that person. Right. This has led, I guess to Republicans claiming that McFadden is ignoring his obligation under HB10. McFadden says he isn't. He is holding them for the duration of detainer but then releasing them when no one comes to get them.

[Garrison Davis]

Right.

[Robert Evans]

This has led to like cis. Right. The center for Immigration Studies. SPLC has designated it as a hate group. CIS has, has listed Charlotte and Mecklenburg county on its map of quote unquote sanctuary jurisdictions. There's a link to the map if you want to look at it. They actually cite the 2018 policy and don't even mention HB10. So it's unclear to me if they haven't updated this map or if they just believe that nothing has changed because they believe that HB10 is being ignored. I think that might be a lot of the reason why we're seeing this now. Then finally, I want to talk about something local to Southern California. In Temecula, north of San Diego, 17 year old boy was pulled over at gunpoint by a man who was known to locals as an ICE agent. The man does not appear to have been in his professional capacity at this time. Neighbors were able to de escalate the situation and get Gerardo Rodriguez, the the man in question, to stop pointing his gun at the teen. Louisiana Taco. Got video of this. It is wild. The guy is just in the middle of the road with a handgun, pointing it at a truck that's driving down the street. Rodriguez accuses the young man. He's 17 years old. I'm not going to say his name Right. He's a child of speeding in the neighborhood, not generally something that warrants throwing a firearm. Rodriguez was detained by the Riverside County Sheriff's Office. I believe he's bonded out now. But this is an interesting development right elsewhere, like in Santa Ana, an agent pulled a gun on a community watch member. Fullerton police on the scene did not detain the person. They also refused to assist. Right. They just kind of were present. But this is one of the few cases I'm aware of an ICE agent. There was someone else arrested in LA who I believe died. I believe that was a Border Patrol agent. That person unfortunately passed away of an overdose. But this is one of the first instances I've seen of this right, like of a, like a kind of a state federal direct confrontation where this guy appears to have been pseudo claiming that he was acting under his like authority as an ICE agent. That's not entirely clear to me. The young man's parents rushed to the scene with the young man's passport, but by that point neighbors had already been able to de escalate. So yeah, I'm going to keep an eye on this because I think it's interesting.

[Garrison Davis]

All right.

[Robert Evans]

This week we have a fundraiser from Borderlands Relief Collective. I know they're helping a lot of people who need a lot of help right now. Some folks whose roofs are really struggling to keep up with the recent rainstorms that we've had in Southern California. They have an Amazon wish list. The URL is too long for me to read out to you, so we will include it in the show notes. If you'd like to help, you can click on that and buy something for someone. Thank you.

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