Mamdani’s Victory: Winners, Losers, and Crashouts

Summary

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Podcast Summary: It Could Happen Here

Episode Title: Mamdani’s Victory: Winners, Losers, and Crashouts
Date: November 10, 2025
Hosts: Mia Wong & Garrison Davis
Podcast Network: Cool Zone Media & iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

In this lively and irreverent It Could Happen Here episode, hosts Mia Wong and Garrison Davis break down the aftermath of Zoran Mamdani's stunning New York City mayoral victory. Framed in the style of a "winners and losers" sports recap, Mia and Garrison explore the shockwaves across political, business, and media worlds. The episode revels in the collapse of establishment and right-wing narratives, highlights those energized or empowered by the result, and dissects the bizarre, sometimes hilarious, meltdown of Mamdani’s detractors.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Tone: New Political Reality in New York

• Mia opens with a satirical "mandatory" greeting referencing New York’s new political culture:

  “Eat your pheasants, drink your wine, your days are numbered, bourgeois swine.” (02:39)

• Brief comedic exchange about city identity and comparing New York nationalism to other cities, with implications of endurance beyond national collapse. (03:15-03:36)

2. Winners of Mamdani's Victory

● Survivors, Trailblazers, and Everyday People

• The first "winner": Lindsey Boylan, who courageously accused Andrew Cuomo of harassment. She is now exuberant in celebration.

  “‘I hope every woman who has ever faced an abuser like Cuomo knows she doesn’t have to be ashamed… because we will beat these monsters. New Yorker said no more to Andrew Cuomo.’ This shit rocks. Fuck him.” – Mia Wong (06:49)

• Free childcare for parents: A signature Mamdani policy likely to go forward.

  “Free childcare would be pretty cool. And it’s one of the few things on the Mamdani platform that like the governor herself is pretty set on helping to achieve.” – Garrison Davis (08:56)

• Renters and regular people: promise of stabilized rents, more affordable housing.
• “People who buy their own food”: Satire on upper-class detachment from regular life. Commentary on class divide in everyday tasks like grocery shopping. (09:14-10:08)
• Spike Lee “having a great time” partying, emblematic of progressive and artistic support. (09:06)
• Notably, Mia celebrates Mamdani publicly calling out Indian PM Modi as a “war criminal”—something major American politicians rarely do.

  “I want to declare myself a winner because I fucking hate Modi. And Zoran called Modi a war criminal… Fuck him, he’s the butcher of Gujarat. Eat shit.” – Mia Wong (10:08)

3. Losers & Those Spiraling in Defeat

● The Right-Wing & Their Coping Mechanisms

• Laura Ingram and Ross Douthat spinning the loss (“Democrats are winning, actually losing”) and engaging in media cope.

  “It’s the most… there’s a whole genre of this. If I wanted to, I literally could have just pulled things that were like, ‘the Democrats are winning, actually losing’…” – Mia Wong (11:47)

• Key right-wing influencers like Mike Cernovich acknowledging the left’s energy vs. conservative “joyless lecturing”:

  “If you didn’t know anything about politics, you would say this is the side I want to be on. Conservative Inc. is joyless, it’s the house of scolding nags.” – Mike Cernovich, quoted by Mia Wong (14:16)

• Internal divisions exposed: Heritage Foundation infighting over the far-right, sectarian splits after the Fuentes-Tucker interview. (14:24-15:28)
• GOP politicians’ reactions:
  • Governor Greg Abbott’s mock “moment of silence for New York City” (16:35)
  • Senator Rick Scott offering to “welcome all freedom-loving New Yorkers” to Florida.
• Hosts point out the disconnect between GOP rhetoric and the reality that no one is actually fleeing NYC.

  “Spoiler alert: not yet, but come on, there is still time.” – Mia Wong (17:05)

● Tech Billionaires in Meltdown

• Elon Musk warning of the “suicidal empathy” dooming Western civ in reaction to Mamdani’s win (22:33).
• Musk’s incoherence on Rogan’s podcast mocked:

  “It’s just a minute straight of Elon Musk going ‘he has nothing.’” – Mia Wong (22:49)

• Segment on the right’s strange fixation on Mamdani’s looks and his wife, veering into psychosexual territory:

  “It is kind of breaking these people’s brains that there’s just, like, a hot guy who beat the shit out of them.” – Mia Wong (23:49)

● Establishment Democrats & Business Elite

• NPR and business leaders enter the “acceptance phase” of grieving:

  “I think it’s the stages of grief.” – Karen Wild, Partnership for NY (27:16)

• Mia & Garrison highlight how business leaders tried to negotiate with Mamdani, including Bloomberg’s behind-the-scenes attempts (27:48).
• Hedge fund manager Ken Griffin expresses public concern, wishing Mamdani governs differently than he campaigned (28:55).

● Israel Government & Islamophobia

• Israeli far-right officials decry Mamdani’s win as a triumph of "antisemitism"; Mia and Garrison note this strategy is falling flat with even mainstream US media.

  “Even hosts of Good Morning America were like, come on, man. That’s not—he’s not—he’s not an antisemite.” – Garrison Davis (30:35)

• They describe the defeat of Islamophobic smear campaigns by the Cuomo camp.

  “This was one of the most racist campaigns I have ever seen… and they got their ass handed to them.” – Mia Wong (31:23)

● Threats to Flee… Not Fulfilled

• Right-wing celebrities and influencers who claimed they’d leave NYC aren’t going anywhere.

  “None of them were actually leaving. It’s really sad.” – Mia Wong (32:44)

4. Baffling & Notable Reactions

• Obama offers generic praise for “forward-looking leaders,” despite history of undermining the left in Democratic primaries.

  “Brother, you spent so much time trying to make sure this wouldn’t happen and you have failed.” – Mia Wong (38:00)

• Jamie Dimon’s patronizing yet pragmatic acceptance:

  “He’s a young man. Will he get good at it? I’ve seen a lot of people, they kind of swell into the job. They get worse… I’m hoping he’s the good one…” – Jamie Dimon (39:01)

• Even Trump is reported to privately respect Mamdani’s skills:

  “In private, Trump has called Mr. Mamdani a slick and good talker and a talented politician... and that he wants New York to succeed.” – Garrison Davis (39:46)

5. Broader Political Implications

• Garrison notes the GOP narrative that Mamdani only won because of “foreigners” and the implication of restricting voting rights—racist “great replacement” rhetoric.

  “If this election was done by ‘true New Yorkers’ then Cuomo would’ve won.” (41:25)

• Discussion of the right’s false comfort that young men favor the GOP, disproved by election results.

  “You have a guy show you what kind of policies, what kind of messaging works exceedingly well…” – Garrison Davis (43:10)

• Final reflection: optimism about “enemy” misery and how a real tangible left program can win, though caution that institutional antagonists (like Trump, the establishment, and right-wingers) will persist.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If there was someone who was only half as good as Mamdani who destroyed Cuomo, it would still be fun to laugh at Cuomo.” – Garrison Davis (06:21)
• “Cernovich posts… ‘Conservative Inc. is joyless. It’s the house of scolding nags. It offers young men nothing beyond moralizing and hypocritical lecture.’” – Mia Wong quoting Mike Cernovich (14:16)
• “There’s a very, very public level of acceptance for Islamophobia… People don’t fucking like that shit. It sucks.” – Mia Wong (31:46)
• “The biggest mistake the Democrats made last time… is not completely destroying Trump’s ability to exist in public life.” – Garrison Davis (43:52)
• “Our Nuremberg is going to have to make the original Nuremberg look like paperclip.” – Mia Wong (44:36)
• “Well, this has been a rare, upbeat episode where all of our enemies are having a very bad time.” – Mia Wong (45:25)

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• 02:39 – Satirical “mandatory” New York greeting; lens for episode
• 05:45–06:49 – Lindsey Boylan’s vindication and the emotional weight of Cuomo’s defeat
• 08:56 – Childcare as policy; signature Mamdani promise
• 10:08 – Mia’s personal “winner” moment: Mamdani calling out Modi
• 11:28–12:50 – Right-wing cope, especially Fox News and New York Times reactions
• 13:01–14:50 – Cernovich’s public meltdown and commentary on right-wing malaise
• 16:35–17:05 – Abbott, Rick Scott, and “fleeing” New Yorkers
• 22:33–23:40 – Elon Musk’s incoherence; Rogan segment; right’s fixation on charisma
• 25:41–26:12 – Speaker Mike Johnson and recycled “dangerous Democrat” rhetoric
• 27:16–28:36 – Business class stages of grief; Bloomberg’s failed strategies
• 30:12–31:13 – Israeli politicians’ rage; failed Islamophobia
• 32:44 – No one actually leaves NYC; right-wing bluster exposed
• 37:57–38:00 – Obama’s awkward post hoc blessing
• 39:01–39:46 – Jamie Dimon & Trump acknowledge Mamdani’s political ability
• 41:25–43:10 – GOP “replacement” theory and the realignment of young male voters
• 45:25–45:33 – Hosts sum up: “rare upbeat episode… all our enemies are having a very bad time.”

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Final Thoughts

This episode offers a cathartic, celebratory—a bit chaotic—recap of one of the most unexpected victories in recent American electoral history. Mia and Garrison openly enjoy the discomfort of the establishment and right-wing critics, but consistently return to sober analysis: the cracks in old coalitions, the importance of real policy, and the continued challenge of building an equitable future.

The hosts don’t shy from their own biases, swirling giddy glee with deadpan analysis and sardonic humor. Listeners come away with a layered understanding of the stakes, personalities, and narratives that made Mamdani’s victory so momentous—and why, according to It Could Happen Here, the future just got more interesting, and maybe a bit brighter.

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Transcript

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[Garrison Davis]

Well, this is actually the new mandatory greeting in New York, as agreed yesterday. Yesterday. Yeah. Instead of saying hi on the subway or just trying to avoid each other, we have to. We have to all recite this. Now. It's pretty crazy.

[Mia Wong]

FDR used to call the US the 48 states. The Soviet is Seattle. And I have. I haven't quite figured out what the version of that New York is yet, but.

[Garrison Davis]

No, no, the New York City nationalism really is a thing.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah. Even if the country falls, I think. I think New York will remain as. A. Remain as a city. State beacon.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah, see, unfortunately, I'm having to temper my sort of Chicago in like, this is a tier 2 Chinese city, like stuff for this. And I'm also having to temper my like, reflexive. Not even reflexive. My, my. My incredibly well thought out and detailed thoughts on electoralism. And so, so, so today. Today, if I have to cover electoralism positively, we're doing this in sports format. We are, we are. We are looking at what's been going on with the reaction to Mamdani's win. We are fully. We are fully doing winners and losers. It's gonna be great. We're gonna have a good time.

[Garrison Davis]

I mean, I'm still traumatized from the World Series, so I don't really appreciate the sports framing. I actually. The world's World Series, game seven. I was. Was watching it at a bar and then I had to go across town to a different bar because I knew Zordon was doing the little gay bar hop on the same night as the World Series finale. So I missed the last 30 minutes. I had to leave during the ninth inning when the Blue Jays were still ahead. Oh, no. And then. And then in transport, the Dodgers tie. They did two extra innings and then one, and it was devastating. And then I saw Bob Donnie dancing at a gay club like 10 minutes later. It was outrageous.

[Mia Wong]

You're welcome. Welcome to being a Seattle Mariners fan. This is.

[Garrison Davis]

This is what it is like all.

[Mia Wong]

The time for us. Every single.

[Garrison Davis]

Well aware. No, of course I. What? I'm not cheering for the Jays usually. I'm cheering for the Mariners. So I know, well, and again, the.

[Mia Wong]

Only way to survive this is to become a truly transcendent, true Mariners fan, where you are not in this for winning and losing. You are in this for the Fact that we had a guy whose name was Big Dumper because his ass was big as fuck and he hit 60 home runs. And that's what you're in this game for. Okay. Okay. We're going to turn this around. We're going to turn this around. We're going to actually start with winners, with, I think, the most serious thing that we're going to do today.

[Garrison Davis]

Not a high bar.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah, not a high bar. But I think, in the words of the great John Boyce, this moment belongs to her. And that's Lindsey Boland, who was the first woman to accuse Cuomo of sexual harassment, who is one of the bravest women I've ever seen. And she's having a great time.

[Garrison Davis]

That's good.

[Mia Wong]

There's a bunch of pictures of her going around that she's posting. She's so happy. It rocks. She's. Yeah, she's just. She's just having a great time.

[Garrison Davis]

This is. This is like a dual pronged moment. Right. One prong is just seeing Andrew Cuomo get completely humiliated for the second time in a row.

[Mia Wong]

Yes.

[Garrison Davis]

And then the whole. The whole, you know, like, perspective, hope of what a Mamdani mayoral occupation could. Could mean. It's like a whole separate thing than just watching Cuomo get absolutely decimated. Right. If there was. If there was someone who was only half as good as Mamdani, who destroyed Cuomo, it would still. It would still be fun to laugh at Cuomo. The fact that it's Mamdani is just a little bit of, like an extra. Extra icing on top, I guess.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah. And I want to read a quote from her that she gave. This was from before, as best I could tell. Since the actual win, she's just been, like, partying and hasn't really been giving like, hell. Yeah. I think she went on Democracy now. But, like, she had this great line from this piece in the Independent that was titled we will beat these Monsters. This is from the original primary win. I hope every woman who has ever faced an abuser like Cuomo knows she doesn't have to be ashamed. She doesn't have to hide, because we will beat these monsters. New Yorker said no more to Andrew Cuomo. And that is just remarkable. And this shit rocks. This rocks. Fuck him.

[Garrison Davis]

Especially Cuomo, who ran his campaign on being like, it's dangerous to be a woman on the subway. And we're like, why? Because you're going to be on it. Yeah. Like, his whole. His whole, like, law and order New York is a dangerous, scary place to live. Because there's predators out there. It was like a main part of his campaign. Meanwhile, four years ago he resigned because he was a predator.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah, 11, 11 women came forward. That's remarkable. Astounding. And you know, this is hopefully this is, this is the beginning of many, many, many defeats that these fucking people will have over the coming years.

[Garrison Davis]

Hopefully the last defeat for qu. But for others of his ilk.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah, yeah. These abusers. There are many, many people who hold a whole variety of offices and sometimes they're just like your boss or someone you work with or someone. Yeah. And fuck them. We're going to beat them all. This rocks. So that's winner number one. Winner number two. People with childs. People with childs. Wow.

[Garrison Davis]

People with child.

[Mia Wong]

Look, I agree. I got so little sleep last night. I was, I have excuse. I was up being extremely gay at like 4 in the morning. I'm really tired. Yeah. People, people with children getting, getting free childcare, a thing that is in fact really good.

[Garrison Davis]

Free childcare would be, would be pretty cool. And it's one of the few things on the Mamdani platform that like the governor herself is pretty, pretty set on helping to achieve.

[Mia Wong]

And you know there's, there's Spike Lee who's having a great time. Partying is just, just, just, just loving it. It's great. It's great.

[Garrison Davis]

That's good.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah. Renters also good. Yeah. People, people who live in rent stabilized apartments getting not the rent increased and also there being more rent controlled housing built. Good, good things. Good things. People who buy food. But when I say people who buy food. Right. You would think that's all people. Most of the people who we are going to be talking about on this list, those motherfuckers have not set foot in a grocery store in a decade. There really truly is a class divide between people who buy food and people who do not ever buy their own food.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah. It's like around. If you make around $200,000 a year based on the time that you spend procuring your own groceries, people argue that it's more efficient for you to order or have people bring food to you and not. And not do any of that work yourself.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah. And you know, so, so we have, that we have, you know, I think that there's, there's a sort of macro point you can make here about, you know, the ties between affordability and the sort of, the sort of politics of affordability and the ways in which there are a bunch of people who would affect. And then there is the top 5% of the US who do 50% of the country's consumer spending, who this is not going to affect. Because they do 50% of their consumer spending on bullshit. And also I want to. I want to. I'm going to. I'm going to declare myself a winner because I fucking hate Modi. And Zoran called Modi a war criminal and specifically talked about his mass killings of Muslims in Gujarat, which is the first time I've ever seen a major American politician talk about that. And fuck him. He's the butcher of Gujarat. Eat shit. Yeah, this is a kind of short winners section because, you know, I could list, like, people in New York City, like, who aren't really rich.

[Garrison Davis]

Garrison Davis.

[Mia Wong]

Right. Like, you know, but this is mostly a losers episode. This is mostly a. Oh, my fucking God, the right is doing a crash out and oh, boy, there is some great stuff. So I want to start the losers with Laura Ingram. Who? The Chevron on her show.

[Garrison Davis]

Who? Who, who?

[Mia Wong]

Laura Ingram. Wow. Fox News host. Evil.

[Garrison Davis]

She's still on Fox News, huh?

[Mia Wong]

Yeah, yeah, her, her. Her Fox News thing that the Chevron on it was. By winning, the Democrats are actually losing, which is true.

[Garrison Davis]

God. God, I hope so. From your mouth to God's ears, Laura.

[Mia Wong]

It's so good. It's the most. There's. There's a whole genre of this. If I wanted to, I literally could have just pulled things that were like, the Democrats are winning, actually losing. Like, there's like Ross Douthit who's like the sort of make work hire. Like, he's one of the old school make work higher New York Times columnist who's like a very, very weird Catholic who used to advocate Catholics, like taking the Benedict option and going into the woods and not interacting with society, which. Please, Ross, Douth it and your ilk.

[Garrison Davis]

I mean, that's not very Catholic.

[Mia Wong]

Please do that. If you want to go argue theology with Ross Douthit, go fucking go do this. Yeah, like, you know, doubt the New York Times immediately is like, mom, G's victory is less significant than you think. And it's like, ah, yes, we are. We are getting owned. We are not owned, we are not owned, etc. Etc. Slowly turning into a corn cob, pumping.

[Garrison Davis]

The copium straight into my veins.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah, it's truly amazing stuff.

[Garrison Davis]

I think in.

[Mia Wong]

In the just pure Cope vein is. Did you, did you see the Mike Cernovich post about this?

[Garrison Davis]

No. No.

[Mia Wong]

Oh, my God. Okay, so I'm not going to. How do I say this? I'm not going to. So she's quote, tweeting a video that's just like. It's like a five minute video of like the zetio. Whatever livestream of the after party. And it's just. Cernovich is just going, this is a rowdy, masculine environment. You can feel the energy as the Heritage foundation is putting members through a struggle session and demanding a DEI Dean. The left is winning. True, true. And then like that is.

[Garrison Davis]

That is happening right now. We'll be doing a piece on the Heritage struggle sessions probably later this week.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah, yeah. And that's the, that's the. Do we accept the overt neo Nazi or not?

[Garrison Davis]

Yes. Conflict, which they are very divided on, which is not.

[Mia Wong]

Not a great sign. Gotta say, gotta say, don't, don't love that. But in another just incredible, like, I'm not mad thing, Cernovich post that and then quote, tweets his own tweet and says, if you didn't know anything about politics, you would say, this is the side I want to be on. Conservative Inc. Is joyless. It's the house of scolding nags. It offers young men nothing beyond moralizing and hypocritical lecture.

[Garrison Davis]

This is probably also following the fallout of the Fuentes Tucker interview and the like, sectarian right.

[Mia Wong]

Yep, yep, yep.

[Garrison Davis]

It's not really infighting necessarily, but like that, these, these debates on, on Fuentes's place within the Conservative Party and this argument against what, I guess like right wing cancel culture that you have people like vans like Matt Walsh talk about how like we should not be, you know, canceling people like Tucker or, or you know, these young GOP staffers who are white supremacists for, for saying things that are offensive because we need to have a united front against the left versus this whole other reaction from like, Shapiro. And you have Heritage is caught in the middle of this and there's like senators and Mike Johnson who are, who are trying to like keep this like legitimate, like anti Semitic, but like also like anti Israel, but through anti Semitism, like this anti Semitic section of the right, like led by Fuentes, like, keep it quarantined, which is increasingly breaking quarantine. So they're looking at how the right has devolved into this fighting and then seeing the, the election of Zordon and being like, oh, the grass is greener on that side, I guess, which is really odd.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's so funny because it's just like literally just all of the shit they've been saying about the left forever. They're Just suddenly like, oh my God. They, some part, some of the right is like maybe, maybe not literally the neo Nazi. And now they're like, oh, it's actually, it's actually the right that is the house of scolding nags who offer nothing beyond moralizing a hypocritical lecture. Which is, it's just amazing. It's, I don't know, it's so funny. They're, they're just, they're just losing it insofar as there is a kind of important thing here. It's that like in, in a moment where you know, the sort of ruling party is becoming increasingly unpopular, they're also fracturing from the inside to the extent where like their like worst nightmare just got elected as the mayor of New York. And instead of like rallying, they're doing this shit. Very funny. There's been a few governor reactions I'm going to pull from the Guardian here. Greg Abbott tweeted. Join me in a moment of silence for New York City thoughts and prayers.

[Garrison Davis]

Abbott's been, been losing it over this election.

[Mia Wong]

It's so funny. It's very good. Rick Scott is the senator from Florida. Fleague Guardian. Florida has welcomed those fleeing communists and socialist regimes for decades. Wrote Senator Rick Scott of Florida. Tonight, it's no different. FL and I will welcome all freedom loving New Yorkers.

[Garrison Davis]

It's funny because that's very different from Abbott's promise of trying to tariff people who flee from New York to Texas.

[Mia Wong]

Abbott's like, oh shit, hold on. Maybe I can cash in on all of this money. We're gonna, we're gonna get to whether people are actually fleeing New York in a later segment. Spoiler alert that not yet, but come on, there is still time. If we want people to flee New York, we're just going to have to do it ourselves. Speaking of doing it ourselves, this podcast we do it but also the products and services support the show. Do it.

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[Mia Wong]

When you start weaponizing outer space, things can potentially go really wrong.

[Kal Penn]

Look, the world can seem pretty scary right now, because it is. But my goal here is for you to listen and feel a little better about the future. Listen and subscribe to Here We Go Again with Kal Penn on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Mia Wong]

We are back. So let's turn to Elon Musk, who is, I mean, I guess for Elon Musk, he is kind of having a normal one. He is doing a bunch of his normal posts about how, like, Western civilization is doomed unless the core weakness of suicidal empathy is recognized.

[Garrison Davis]

Suicidal empathy.

[Mia Wong]

It's so bad. There's a very, very funny segment that I'm not going to play just because, like, I don't, I don't, I do not believe in exposing our dear listeners to having. Listen to Elon Musk try to talk because.

[Garrison Davis]

Is this the Joe Rogan clip?

[Mia Wong]

Yeah, yeah, there's a clip of him on Joe Rogan where, where Joe Rogan's like, okay, why did you call Mom Donnie a swindler? And it's just a minute straight of Elon Musk going, he has nothing.

[Garrison Davis]

He can't even complete a full sentence. He at one point says that, you know, swindlers will always say what the audience wants to hear. And that's the only thing he's. He. That's the only complete thought that he gives. The rest of his sentence or attempts at making a sentence is just saying the word like five times and then saying that, well, you know, Zordon is actually quite charismatic.

[Mia Wong]

His brain is so cooked. It's so good. It's. And I say this as someone who stammers a significant amount. This is, this is just. There's nothing going on in his brain.

[Garrison Davis]

This is closer to head. Empty. No Thoughts.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah, and empty. No thoughts. Derogatory. Which? Derogatory.

[Garrison Davis]

Always. Always derogatory.

[Mia Wong]

Oh God. So there's been this sort of mix of like the world is falling with this also kind of, oh my God, he won. And also this is a very attractive, charismatic dude. It is kind of breaking these people's brains that there's just like a hot guy who beat the shit out of them. There's like, there's like, definitely sort of like psychosexual politics going on here. You can see it in a bunch of weird shit these people are posting.

[Garrison Davis]

No, absolutely. Freud would have a heyday. Adorno would have a heyday writing about the psychosexual aspect of the anti Zoron. And obviously some of the pros are unbeateful as well.

[Mia Wong]

Oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah. This is a great. Things are happening in politics.

[Garrison Davis]

Even Trump has had to defend his looks as being better than Mr. Mumdani.

[Mia Wong]

Which objectively not true. Very funny.

[Garrison Davis]

Saying he's quote unquote, much better looking.

[Mia Wong]

It's so funny.

[Garrison Davis]

But they also have this weird thing that some people on the left are doing. This is largely a Twitter thing, but this does seep out into real world conversations which I've, I've heard is thirsting after Zoron's wife.

[Mia Wong]

Oh yeah, I see like, and comparing.

[Garrison Davis]

And comparing Zoron's wife to like, like Melania or something. And like in a whole bunch of really weird ways.

[Mia Wong]

Jesus Christ. That's really weird. Don't do that.

[Garrison Davis]

Look how like beautiful and aristocratic Zoron's wife is versus God versus former porn star Melania Trump.

[Mia Wong]

And you're like, come on, country misogyny.

[Garrison Davis]

Guys, what are you doing?

[Mia Wong]

Guys, the doing misogyny. You're doing misogyny. It's bad. Simply don't do that.

[Garrison Davis]

But we do love the 27 year old Zoomer New York first lady.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah, she fucking rocks. Good. Good for her. Good for her.

[Garrison Davis]

Check out her art.

[Mia Wong]

I want to, I want to turn a little bit to speaker of the House Mike Johnson. He said the Democrats in New York have chosen a true extremist and Marxist. The consequences will be felt across our entire nation. He also said that Badami's policies are defunding the police, seizing private property and massive tax increases, which I fucking wish.

[Garrison Davis]

I mean that does, that does all sound kind of cool, but that is, that is absolutely not what Zoran's current state of politics are.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah. And it's also funny because this is the same reaction they've had to every single Democrat who's been elected in the past 20 years.

[Garrison Davis]

Totally.

[Mia Wong]

The right has so much just sort of weird projection shit. And I feel like they've been doing this whole, like, oh, my God, you all called us fascists, and now we're all fascist. And it's like, no, you called Barack Obama, who was like the most neoliberal Democrat they've ever put in office, maybe second only to Bill Clinton, maybe like, you called him a communist. And now it's like, okay, this guy's a democratic socialist. And you're just saying, like, oh, this time, now, this time it's communism. This is like, okay, really?

[Garrison Davis]

No, the boy who cried wolf thing that the right does all the time, it depowers their own rhetorical tactics.

[Mia Wong]

Yep, yep, yep.

[Garrison Davis]

And you, you see this in, in a few ways. I think you've seen this in part with like, the trans mass shooter thing. And, and certainly they've been doing this thing around communism or socialism for a while, to the point where you can have the mayor of New York proudly call himself a socialist, a democratic socialist, and gets elected with record numbers.

[Mia Wong]

Yep. So one of the things that he's going to be dealing with, obviously, is the financial clash. We're going to get to some more weird reactions, but there's a very funny NPR quote that I'm going to read. I was going to read this quote. I think it's the stages of grief, said Karen Wild, who runs the Partnership for New York City, an influential business group that represents more than 300 large employers, which is very funny. They're fully in their, like, acceptance negotiation phase of this.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah, I mean, I think they might not be letting on the degree to which they have been in this process for a while. There was like, a final push among, like, Bloomberg, who privately met with Mamdani, like, months ago, and they, like, developed like, a kind of, like, truce at which Bloomberg broke in the week before the election when he suddenly funneled millions of dollars into Islamophobic ads, like 911 ads. But there was a lot of meetings happening between Mamdani and people who would make up his future administration and the business class, which have happened since in the primary in June. And this sort of negotiating and bargaining has been going on for, for quite a while. And I, I think the, the acceptance now is really the, the, the final. I mean, these steps aren't necessarily always, always like, sequential.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah.

[Garrison Davis]

But I think we are rapidly approaching the acceptance phase across this city and people are actually looking at, like, realistically at what, what the. What the negotiating side of the enacting these things is going to look like, including the financial people.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah. That said, Ken Griffin, not happy at all.

[Garrison Davis]

No, they're not happy.

[Mia Wong]

No. Yeah. Obviously this is, this is a Business Insider for the people of New York. I pray that the policies Mondame uses to govern and lead New York are different than the talking points he used to win the mayor race. People in New York deserve better. I do want to. I did cut out the part in the middle of there for the Business Insider where he said this Wednesday at the American Business Forum in Miami, some fuckers are even in New York like to say this. Very funny.

[Garrison Davis]

Hell yeah.

[Mia Wong]

Very funny. In this sort of like crash out spectrum, there's a lot of people who are like having the absolute worst time are a bunch of Israeli politicians who are very mad about this. Shocking. Yeah. I'm just going to go off the Washington Post here. Israel's far right Minister of Security Ben GVIR said Wednesday that Mamdani's win would be quote, remembered eternally as the moment when anti Semitism overcame common sense. Diaspora Affairs Minister Amichai Chikli in an excoriating statement accused New York City of quote, handing his keys over to a Hamas supporter. And this is also a giant loss for one Benjamin Netanyahu, who Mamdame has said he will arrest if he sets foot in New York, which rocks. Very funny. Will this actually happen? I don't know. Hilarious.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah. I mean this, these things just don't work anymore. Like, they, they. Yeah, you like, I watched an interview the Jonathan Greenblatt, the head of the adl, like Good Morning America, like, like talking about this and how they're establishing an anti Semitism monitor to track the Zoron administration. And even like the, the hosts of Good Morning America were like, come on, man. Like, that's not, he's not, he's, he's not.

[Mia Wong]

What are we doing?

[Garrison Davis]

He's not, he's not an anti semi. Like, he's, he's, he's against, he's against the genocide of Gaza. Like, he's, he's not, he's not like a Jew hating any antisemite.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah.

[Garrison Davis]

And like they were even getting tired of Greenblatt's little like, shtick and how he was constantly like performing to the camera to try to get people to like, I don't report incidents that then they'll add into this, into this monitor program. So they'll try to blame the Momdani administration for not protecting Jews or whatever. Yeah. This was on Morning Joe on Msnbc not Good Morning America. My apologies.

[Mia Wong]

This is also, you know, if you want to talk about another sort of category of losers, it's like all of the unhinged Islamophobia. Oh yeah, like all the people spreading that got annihilated.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah.

[Mia Wong]

Just absolutely smashed and like. And yeah. And you know, and it is worth saying like, yeah, like this was one of the most racist campaigns I have ever seen that Andrew Cuomo sort of waged. It was just hideous.

[Garrison Davis]

More racist than Trump versus Kamala by far. Yeah, like, like, like exceptionally so and done by Democrat establishment figures largely.

[Mia Wong]

Yep, man. Just rancid. And they got their ass handed to them. And I think that's good. There's a very, very public level of acceptance for Islamophobia. You can just say the most Islamophobic shit anyone's ever heard on TV and it's fine and no one does anything. But also like people don't fucking like that shit. It sucks, it's awful. And fuck these people. And you know, I think this is sort of the tide turning. And speaking of the tide turning, Bill Ackman as we talked about on Ed bending the knee, saying congrats around. Congrats on the win. Now you have a big responsibility. If I could help New York City, just let me know what I can do. Very good. So to sort of close out this like the losers section, I want to turn. There's a great piece in Defector about the people who, who, who threatened to leave New York City if Mamdani won and unfortunately reached out for comment, none of them were actually leaving. It's really sad.

[Garrison Davis]

No, because people don't want to leave the city. It's a good city. Which is the whole point of Zoron's campaign was about how much the city is cool and rocks and Cuomo's campaigns, but how much it's bad and scary.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah. And unfortunately, tragically this does mean that you are going to have to have Dave Portney and this whole. His whole crew of barstool dipshits still in the city. So good luck. I hope you expropriate them. I hope they. I hope they have a bad time.

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I'm Robert Smith, this is Jacob Goldstein and we used to host a show called Planet Money.

[Jacob Goldstein]

And now we're back making this new podcast called Business History about the best ideas and people and businesses in history.

[Robert Smith]

And some of the worst people, horrible ideas and destructive companies in the history of business. Having a genius idea without a need for it is nothing. It's like not having it at all.

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It's a very simple, elegant lesson. Make something people want. First episode, how Southwest Airlines used cheap seats and free whiskey to fight its way into the airline business.

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There's a lot of mavericks in that story. We're gonna have mavericks on the show. We're gonna have plenty of robber barons.

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So many robber barons. And you know what? They're not all bad.

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And we'll talk about some of the classic great moments of famous business geniuses.

[Mia Wong]

Along with some of the darker moments.

[Jacob Goldstein]

That often get overlooked, like Thomas Edison and the electric chair. Listen to business history on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Kal Penn]

Hey, I'm Kalpen, and on my new podcast, Here We Go Again, we'll take today's trends and headlines and ask, why does history keep repeating itself? You may know me as the second hottest actor from the Harold and Kumar movies, but I'm also an author, a White House staffer, and as of like 15 seconds ago, a podcast host. Along the way, I've made some friends who are experts in science, politics, and pop culture. And each week one of them will be joining me to answer my burning questions, like, are we heading towards another financial crash? Like in 08, is non monogamy back in style? And how come there's never a gate ready for your flight when it lands, like two minutes early? We've got guests like Pete Buttigieg, Stacey Abrams, Lilly Singh, and Bill Nye.

[Mia Wong]

When you start weaponizing outer space, things can potentially go really wrong.

[Kal Penn]

Look, the world can seem pretty scary right now, because it is. But my goal here is for you to listen and feel a little better about the future. Listen and subscribe to Here we go Again with Kal Penn on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Mia Wong]

Now I want to move into my last category, which is the sort of baffling category. We got a kind of wild Obama quote, quote, the future looks a little bit brighter. It's a reminder that when we come together around strong, forward looking leaders who care about the issues that matter, we can win.

[Garrison Davis]

It's a very, it's a very silly quote.

[Mia Wong]

I, the, the, the odds that Obama personally had at least one person on that campaign staff beat and Dream Occupy are very high here. Like, it's, it's really truly this moment of like, brother, you spent so much time trying to make sure this wouldn't happen and you have failed. And now you're in the, like, I'm gonna do the Obama thing where, like, I'm the friend of all the young leaders and I'm gonna give them the worst advice you've ever heard in your entire life. I don't know. Still have never gone over Obama personally intervening to make sure the NBA players didn't go on strike during the uprising. And oh God, what are the worst, like, post presidential moments I've ever seen? I want to close on Jamie Dimon, the CEO of JPMorgan Chase, who When asked about Mondami said, quote, he's a young man. Will he get good at it? Diamond said about Mondavi making and implementing good Policies. I see a lot of people in big jobs, including big political jobs. They grow into it. I've seen a lot of people, they kind of swell into the job. They get worse. They, you know, all of it becomes about them. I'm hoping he's the good one, and that will be important for the future in New York. He said.

[Garrison Davis]

True. True and real. No, I mean, like, there is a lot of this slow capitulation, which we're even seeing with private comments from Trump that are being leaked into reporting through the New York Times, where in private, Trump has called Mr. Mamdani a slick and good talker and a talented politician, and last Wednesday said that he might, quote, help him a little bit, maybe, unquote, and that he wants New York to succeed, which is, you know, contrary to, like, previous threats of, like, pulling back all funding if Mamdani gets elected.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah.

[Garrison Davis]

And I think part of, part of this reaction is both, like, how strong Zoron's victory is. We all, like, know that Trump likes winners, but also the fact that Zoron has, like, very quickly tried to establish dominance over the president in some ways, but in a way that, like, someone like Trump, like, kind of respects. With Mamdani positioning himself as, like, a legitimate, like, adversarial figure to Trump. Yeah, like, right off the bat. And there's a little bit of the Trumpian mind that actually kind of appreciates that and thinks it's, like, cool and impressive.

[Mia Wong]

During the first Trump administration, there was a whole running theory that if you could get Trump in a room with Hugo Chavez, you could make him a socialist in, like, an hour, because he really does just repeat the last thing anyone in a room said to him. We're finally going to test the theory of can we get a charismatic person in the room with him and make him do stuff he wouldn't normally do? And probably not, but, you know, I.

[Garrison Davis]

Mean, and like, the biggest thing right now is, like, the difference in immigration policy. But, like, Trump's from New York. Trump knows how much New York is a city built by and run by immigrants. Like, he knows that when Stephen Miller is, like, orchestrating all of his messaging, it's like the worst of the worst of the anti immigrant stuff. But I think in terms of Zoron's opposition to Trump primarily being with immigration, I think Trump understands how immigration, like, rests very importantly into the identity of New York, in which if that's like, the main, like, oppositional force, I think Trump similarly will. Is going to understand where Mamdani is coming from in A way.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah. And I think we are going to see like a particularly like Stephen Miller conflict as this goes on.

[Garrison Davis]

Absolutely. Because this is the perfect example of stuff that Miller and people like Matt Walsh and like the great replacement people have been talking about. And the other huge batch of reactions that you're seeing from people like Walsh is that this election only went this way because of how many foreigners were allowed to vote in New York. Yeah, yeah. If this election was done by true New Yorkers, quote, unquote, then Cuomo would have won. And looking at the results of this election, looking at how many immigrants voted, people who have moved to New York in the past 10 years, past five years, Madani did very well with, with those groups. You have a lot of these, like, far right anti immigration people pointing towards that as being like, this is what we're trying to defend the country against or else all of our elections are going to go like this unless we make sure that only white Americans can vote.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah. And so there's, there's that reaction one side and the other, the, the, the other reaction from roughly that crowd is women cannot be allowed to vote.

[Garrison Davis]

Yes. Which they also, they also believe that like. Yeah, yeah, this analysis obviously has faults, but it's, it's even falling apart in terms of like the young male vote.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah, yeah, they got hammered, which the.

[Garrison Davis]

Republicans have, you know, have been, been very, very excited about, about how much, you know, young men are voting for the Republican Party. Right. Young, young men are all Republican, even, even if young women are all Democrats. And you see in, in, in specifically this election where Madani is up 40% with young men and the divide among men is mostly through age, with older men going, going for Cuomo and millennials and Gen Z men swinging very strongly towards Mamdani. You have all these like Democrat think tanks trying to figure out how do we attract a young male vote, how do we do this? And you have a guy show you what kind of policies, what kind of messaging works exceedingly well.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah.

[Garrison Davis]

Which just happens. People tried so hard to kill that strategy and it was proven twice in a row. First with, with the primary and even more so with the general. And yeah, that will frighten the gop. It'll frighten them seeing that young men will vote for a Democratic socialist. If they actually have these policies and you have this type of like, solid messaging, they're not condescending and the candidate embodies like a new generation of change. It's very, it's very threatening to the GOP and, and to establishment Democrats.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah. And like, like I see Steve Bannon's out here being like, if he leaves in the midterms and leaves in 2028, I to prison, which I from your hope.

[Garrison Davis]

So, like, no, the biggest mistake the Democrats made last time. Well, there's many, many big mistakes. Right. Palestine being a huge one. But I think a huge mistake they made is not completely destroying Trump and his whole, like, cabinet's ability to like, exist in public life. Like they, he, Trump should have been immediately imprisoned for trying to overthrow the government and basically sent into a hole. And after that Supreme Court ruling on presidential immunity, it should have like, been taken out as like a national security threat. Like, Democrats cannot, cannot play this. Like, they go low, we go high.

[Mia Wong]

Game anymore if we're going to get out of this. And it's probably not going to be the Democrats who do this, but like our Nuremberg is going to have to make the original Nuremberg look like paperclip.

[Robert Smith]

Like.

[Garrison Davis]

Well, that's what the original Nuremberg was. The original Nuremberg also sucked.

[Mia Wong]

But you see, this is we, we are Nuremberg to Nuremberg harder.

[Garrison Davis]

I see.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah, I actually do it.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah. I, I, I really like Jacob Geller's video on Nuremberg and it is, it is a nice emotional place to fall back on in times of, of, of torment. But I don't think we're going to Nuremberg ourselves out of this one. And unfortunately I don't have a very strong solid alternative at the moment. But at the very least, Trump should have been treated much, much harsher after, after January 6th.

[Mia Wong]

Yeah, we could leave it as for now.

[Garrison Davis]

Nuremberg towards an ascendant Nuremberg.

[Mia Wong]

Well, this has been, it could happen here. A rare, a rare upbeat episode where all of our enemies are having a very bad time.

[Garrison Davis]

Yeah, they're also mad about Lina Khan on the transition team.

[Mia Wong]

Oh, yeah, very funny. They're so funny.

[Garrison Davis]

Very mad. Very mad. Go to Transition 2025 to learn more about Zordon's Smeral transition team. A fantastic URL. Really, really going for it. Let's transition 2025.

[Mia Wong]

Stealing Treads Valor.

[Garrison Davis]

True Real. You go, girl. I give Zordon the pass. He can say it.

[Mia Wong]

Zordon.

[Kal Penn]

Bob.

[Mia Wong]

Dahi Estrogen.

[Garrison Davis]

No, no, no. He's fine as he is.

[Mia Wong]

We're transiting the comfort.

[Garrison Davis]

He's actually a good looking man. He doesn't need it. He's actually, he's actually figured it out, I think. Anyway.

[Mia Wong]

We'Re ending it could happen.

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Back making this new podcast called Business History about the best ideas and people and businesses in history and some of.

[Robert Smith]

The worst people, horrible ideas and destructive companies in the history of business.

[Jacob Goldstein]

First episode, how Southwest Airlines used cheap seats and free whiskey to fight its way into the airline business.

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Listen to Business history on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Kal Penn]

Hey, I'm Kalpen and on my new podcast, Here We Go Again, we'll take today's trends and headlines and ask, why does history keep repeating itself? Each week I'm calling up my friends like Bill Nye, Lilly Singh and Pete Buttigieg to talk about everything from the space race to movie remakes to psychedelics.

[Mia Wong]

Put another way, are you high?

[Kal Penn]

Look, the world can seem pretty scary right now, but my goal here is for you to listen and feel a little better about the future. Listen and subscribe to Here We Go Again with Kal Penn on the iHeartRadio album, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanksgiving isn't just about food. It's a day for us to show up for one another. It's okay not to be okay sometimes and be able to build strength and love within each other. I'm Elliot Connie, host of the podcast Family Therapy, a series where real families come together to heal and find hope.

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