E (3:27)

Yeah. What new other news platform can legally cover because they have a duty to their employees to not make them research this stuff.

B (3:36)

Yeah. Or like an actual healthy HR department.

E (3:38)

Yeah. We have not finished our classes on what we're not allowed to make people do. So.

B (3:44)

Like I said, to be fair.

E (3:46)

Garrison couldn't be stopped from researching this. There was no way of stopping you from doing this.

B (3:52)

I have a sick drive.

E (3:54)

You would have started working for someone else if we hadn't let you do this.

B (3:59)

No, Sophie. If Sophie told me I wasn't allowed to cover this, I would have quit immediately.

E (4:03)

Yeah, you'd be working for Wired or someone.

B (4:08)

So now I am very pleased to present to you probably 30, 30 minutes of Nick Fuentes explaining to a performatively confused Tucker Carlson the concept of pornography. And I guess if we're going to view, you know, Fuentes and the Grovers as like a serious legitimate threat that's able to sway national political discourse, I think it's also important to cover his weird sexual politics. Just as explaining the weird sexual practices of like you know, the proud boys is important for understanding their whole deal as like a neo fascist street gang, the kind of closeted gay incel women issues of the groipers is actually really important, especially for Nick. And let's discuss that. But thankfully we get to start off with the majority, majority of this section which is, which is on pornography. Let's start one of the first clips.

C (5:06)

What is porn? Exactly? Like describe how available is porn. What is it?

B (5:15)

Oh my God.

E (5:20)

Because he does ask that like a man who's legitimately never heard of pornography.

B (5:23)

He does. He, he later says like obviously he is familiar with the rough concept of porn.

E (5:29)

Uh huh.

B (5:31)

But maybe not the rough stuff, but maybe not this sort of Internet porn obsession to which Nick refers. Let's, let's skip ahead about a minute where, where Nick kind of closes on his explanation of, of Internet porn specifically.

F (5:47)

So something that is almost never talked about is that this is a generation that's totally sexually dysfunctional I think because of pornography. And some people are able to cope with it. Some people don't have a problem. But I think a lot of people and maybe even a small minority have a serious problem with it.

C (6:05)

And the problem people Sexually dysfunctional.

F (6:09)

I think that it's impossible for a real woman to compete with the availability and the novelty of pornography.

B (6:19)

So that is, that is Nick's kind of ending argument at the tail end of his like, definition of porn and how porn is affecting specifically American men. A little bit of his incel. Status is obviously seeping through there. More of it will become increasingly evident throughout, throughout this interview. But this idea of sexual dysfunction, how porn is ruining men's ability to get into relationships is ruining the ability to get into marriages, lasting marriages. And it. He frames this kind of slightly as the fault of men, but also really as the fault of women. Women aren't able to compete with how much porn there is. The, the, the different categories of porn. How can one woman please a man when a man can go on to the Internet and look up, you know, 50 different niche fetishes that not one woman could provide? Yeah, and that's, that's part of his argument at this point.

E (7:16)

Yeah. And that's always like been the. Okay, so you've just, you've never had.

B (7:20)

A relationship which Nick is open about. At least Nick claims that. Right. It's unclear how true A lot of Nick's claims are about his like incel. Vol. Sell, you know, voluntary celibate.

E (7:33)

Yeah.

B (7:34)

Type deal. But no Nick, Nick does claim that. And the, the sort of pushback Nick will receive later on in the interview on some of these aspects is actually way stronger than any of the world jewelry. Anti Semitic stuff from earlier in the interview.

E (7:48)

Yeah.

B (7:48)

Which Carlson was make actually kind of like trying to shape Nick Fuentes's rhetoric to make him like, appeal to a bigger audience, but did not really push back on to the same extent he does on Nick's like, relationship with women. But the, the, the sexual dysfunction aspect I think is, is the, is the ending argument for, for Nick here in terms of what actually makes porn bad. He extrapolates on this point in this, in this next section, which I'll play now.

F (8:19)

Porn is. You could have a ten, a hundred different women in one sitting doing anything that whatever, whatever niche or idiosyncratic thing a person might be into, it's there. And so I think that novelty combined with that availability, it makes it so that, you know, when you think about courting a woman, juice isn't worth the squeeze. And so there, there's like also a problem of like erectile dysfunction people that, that can't enjoy regular sex because it does not compare to the intensity, the novelty and the availability of porn. It's hyper stimulation and so I think that's sabotaging a lot of normal sexual relationships.

C (9:03)

It seems like it's making a lot of people gay too.

F (9:05)

Yeah. And trans.

C (9:06)

You think that's true?

F (9:07)

100%.

C (9:08)

What is that?

E (9:11)

Oh, my God.

B (9:12)

What is that? I don't even know where to start there.

E (9:17)

I mean, like, it's what these people have always believed, right? That, like, that's the. There's gotta be an explanation, some kind of causal why people like things that. That they're not allowed to admit to liking in public. And it's gotta be the fault of pornography, right? Or libraries, whatever.

B (9:35)

Every time Tucker interjects the beauty of. Of his. Of his little, like, befuddled interjections, what is that? Is that real? Is that true? It's. It's fantastic. But, but yeah, no, I mean, Nick kind of blames the rise in homosexuality and transsexuality on this, like, novelty of pornography and this sexual desensitization. Like, once regular porn doesn't do it for people, they get pushed to more and more extreme categories of which trans porn is somehow particularly effective at, like, influencing and, you know, manipulating human behavior. Right. This is like the sissy hypnothery that porn can, like, make somebody trans. Yeah, Very goofy stuff. Specifically for Nick, considering his curious catboy background and his alleged leak viewership of trans porn, which we might. We might discuss later. I'm going to play it. Play another clip kind of on this note, a shorter one.

F (10:39)

I think that if you are somebody that uses pornography multiple times per day, which many people do actually. Oh, absolutely.

C (10:47)

That's a lot of jerking off.

F (10:48)

That's a huge problem.

E (10:50)

Yeah, that's a lot of jerking off.

B (10:54)

Former Fox News anchor Tucker.

E (10:56)

That's a lot of jerking off.

B (10:57)

Yeah, that's a lot of jerking off. I so badly just wanted to cut some of these clips out of, like, out of context and just put them in my. My other episode.

E (11:07)

Tucker only comes once a year and he can only come by wrapping his dick inside of two frozen Swanson's meals. He's got to kind of use, like, you know how it's got, like, there's little divots on the back end. He's got to use that to cushion his penis. It's the only way he can come.

B (11:22)

It's very, like, Oedipal thing with his, you know, family business. This. This sort of, like, psychosexual drive. Wow.

E (11:29)

The Swanson of it all.

B (11:30)

Sure, that makes sense for. Yeah, that makes sense for Tucker. But no, says that porn, like, operates Kind of like drug tolerance levels which, like over time, after repetitive use, in order to get high, the user must seek out stronger drugs or dangerously intense doses of which he views transport as this like dangerous dose.

E (11:55)

Yeah, yeah. Because I do love like the, the through line with these people that like both. This is like a sickening degeneracy and also is so appealing that people absolutely cannot help themselves to it. Like it affects them. Like heroin. It's, it's, it's so inherently attractive.

B (12:13)

I mean, some of that might be their actual proclivities kind of.

E (12:16)

Yes, I think so.

B (12:17)

Kind of peeking out from under the surface there. Because all of these guys love watching transport. All of these, like anti trans people, whether that's Alex Jones or like Nick Fuentes, like, obviously they have, they have an interest in that and that's what kind of drives some of their obsession.

E (12:32)

Yeah, which is, it's just weird. Like I don't know anyone who talks about any pornography that way. Like, you know, everyone's got whatever it is they're into, like something that they'll be particularly interested in. But no one describes it as like, it's just this kind of thing. No one can resist it.

B (12:48)

Obviously this sort of like powerful obsessive nature in which these types of right wing freaks, like refer to it as.

E (12:57)

Like actual perverts will say stuff like, no, no, no. I've been shoving things inside my pee hole for the last 27 years and now I can get up to something the width of a Maglite. And I know that's crazy. Like, I know no one else does that. That's just a me thing.

B (13:11)

Oh, oh.

E (13:13)

Someone needs to explain sounding to Tucker Carlson is what I'm, what I'm saying. Like I, if I, if he interviews me, I'm going to walk him through sounding. I'm going to put together a PowerPoint with photos.

B (13:23)

He's obviously, he's obviously open, open to this line of discussion. Are we allowed to have ads on this episode?

E (13:33)

Yeah, probably not, but let's throw to him anyway. Foreign.

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Check it out@lemonade.com pet. All right, we are. We are back. Nick Fuentes is going to continue, continue to describe continue pornography towards a slightly confused Tucker Carlson. Now, now Nick is able to really speak from a sense of authority. As someone who claims to have never had sex, he's able to really speak with authority on this topic, which I will. I will. I'll play this next clip.

F (16:09)

And there's something too about what it does when you look at it when you. Because people don't realize that it is a fundamentally different experience. People don't realize being involved in intercourse versus watching other people have intercourse. And I think that actually does something to you.

C (16:27)

Tell me, what do you mean?

B (16:30)

All right, I'm just off there for a sec. People don't realize this amazing observation from alleged virgin incel Nick Fuentes. He's trying to make this point about like body depersonalization or like disassociation when watching porn. It's like this like out of body experience because you start associating yourself with people on screen. That's eventually what he starts talking about.

E (16:54)

Right.

B (16:55)

And. But he. He couches this in saying that, like, people don't realize that this is what. This is, you know, different from actual sex. Which is really funny because Nick is proudly proclaims that he's never had sex before. So he is in no position to argue this point.

E (17:08)

No. Yeah. That's the other thing. How would you know that it's inherently better than sex?

B (17:12)

Like, because he's never had. I think he has to assume that because that's the only information he has. But I love his. His framing of this is like novel information that no one else has access to.

E (17:23)

Yeah.

B (17:23)

That no one realizes that watching porn is different from having sex.

E (17:27)

Yeah.

B (17:28)

Tucker's response is just phenomenal at the end of this because Tucker's like trying. Trying to coax more and more out of him. It's the.

F (17:36)

Really.

B (17:36)

The only time where he's kind of being a sly interviewer is. Is at this ending porn section. It's not the. It's not the Are you a fed? Section. It's not the Daily Wire stuff. It's not the anti Semitism stuff stuff.

E (17:48)

It's.

B (17:49)

It's specifically the porn section. But to explain this like, outof body theory that Nick. That Nick has here. Unfortunately, Nick gets into trying to explain the Blanchardian theory of transsexuality towards. Towards Tucker Carlson, of which I will only play a certain segment of. Because we don't need to hear that whole thing. But there is a section of this next clip that. Which will get into that as well as take you on kind of a beautiful journey showcasing Tucker's objection to pornography.

F (18:24)

I think that, you know, for example, I think Steve Saylor has written about this, that there's multiple kinds of transsexuals. And he says that one kind of transsexual is somebody that likes the idea of seeing themselves as a woman. It's autogynephilia. Yes. And I think that, you know, one of the theories for that is you. You watch a man having sex with a woman that isn't you so much. You kind of achieve an identity with the woman in like a Weir way. You almost identify with the woman. And so there's weird things that happen when you're.

C (18:55)

Yes.

F (18:56)

Watching that and having such strong emotional and sexual experiences.

B (19:01)

Interesting. Interesting, Nick.

E (19:02)

Interesting stuff. Nick.

C (19:03)

I've always been. I've sensed for a long time, having had a lot of young male employees mention porn as a problem. I mean, the big porn companies give visibility to foreign intel services on the back.

B (19:17)

What.

C (19:17)

So that means people know what you're looking at. There's likely video and audio of you watching.

B (19:23)

Okay. All right. There is so much I love that Tucker's made objection to pornography. Is it the stuff that Nick's talking about at all? But the idea that it poses a security risk because of foreign intel services.

E (19:35)

Yeah. That they're recording everyone masturbating to blackmail.

B (19:40)

Every single person on the planet. And he couches this in saying that he's, quote, not a huge expert on the topic.

E (19:47)

Yeah.

B (19:48)

Which is really good. But to go back a little bit, the level of projection Nick is doing here with this identifying as a woman in the, in the porn thing is simply phenomenal. I mean, especially considering the whole, you know, Catboy scandal, which I covered on the show, like, years ago as I, when I was like a baby. As well as Nick's, like, alleged trans porn leak, which I guess I'll explain here briefly. This was in 2022. Nick allegedly was operating a sock puppet Twitter account when he was banned on Twitter. This, this account shared a clip scrolling through Nick Fuentes, like, analytics, like video analytics, like search analytics showing his popularity. And when scrolling through these various tabs, a little section of a tab that, that didn't, did not get into full view. But you sk. You saw the bottom of it, which looked a lot like a very specific trans femboy porn video on pornhub. People found the video, and after they found the video, you know, this, this, this post with these analytics was like, taken down and, and this account was believed to be operated by Nick Fuentes. Now, Nick claims that he obviously was not behind this account, that this was some, like, groiper fan who was trying to set him up for scandal by operating an account that appeared to be Nick's account on Twitter, but actually wasn't. I, I. Robert, I will show you a little bit of this analytics video. We don't need to see the whole thing. But it's like this. Okay, so various, Various tabs. Look at all these tabs.

E (21:25)

This very, like, when does Jake Lloyd explore what.

B (21:31)

Comparing his popularity towards other. Other, like, commentators.

E (21:34)

Oh, I thought he was comparing his popularity to fucking Jake Lloyd from the Phantom Menace.

B (21:39)

From the Phantom Menace.

E (21:40)

You should be beating him, Nick.

B (21:43)

But like web traffic analytics, Joe Kent, Google Trends, and then let's see if I can find it. Right. Oh, right here at the top. Yeah, right here at the top. While scrolling through the tabs on the iPhone. Safari.

E (21:58)

Oh, some porn.

B (21:59)

A little, A little porn tab, right?

E (22:02)

Yeah.

B (22:03)

So this, this turned into a little A little mini thing with people thinking that they. They secretly stumbled across the Nick's porn porn watching habits, of which it would be no surprise.

E (22:12)

Yeah.

B (22:12)

That he'd be watching trans femboy porn. Especially again considering that he operated a catboy discord channel on his server. But he has staunchly denied this as, you know, a. As a based Catholic incel. Obviously. So both Tucker and Nick believe that porn is a big factor affecting the decline of actual sex and marriage among gen cities. And it's not just a male problem. Nick argues that it has become, quote unquote, so destigmatized for women to participate in porn as well, of which he's mostly referring to only fans. Here's a clip of them discussing only fans.

F (22:54)

And it is completely casual, you know, because you could say that maybe 10 years ago, even at the heyday of Internet porn, to be in porn you got to be a porn star. Like, that's your life and that's your career and that's who you are. And it's very shameful with only fans. It's like. It's like having a tik tok. It's like, here's my link tree, here's my Instagram account, here's my Facebook account, here's my YouTube, and here's my only fans.

C (23:22)

Why would any of this be legal?

F (23:25)

I think that, well, there's. Like you indicated, maybe there's an intelligence benefit to that. Yeah, maybe there's a political benefit to that. I think that.

C (23:35)

Well, why wouldn't you arrest the people who run something like that?

F (23:38)

They should be. If you had a Christian government.

C (23:40)

Or how about just a government that cares about its people? I mean, is Iran a bigger threat or is only fans? Iran's not turning my daughter to prostitution that I'm aware of.

B (23:49)

Right. Oh, my God. Is Iran a bigger threat or is only fans?

E (23:55)

Yes, yes. That's the real geopolitical question.

B (23:59)

The wisest minds. No. What a beautiful mind that is.

E (24:03)

Yeah, yeah.

B (24:04)

Like even be able to think of this sentence. Is Iran a bigger threat than OnlyFans? Yeah, like I could never even get myself to a point where I conjured that thought in my own head.

E (24:16)

We have to ban pornography because it's the Iran of masturbation.

B (24:22)

It's frankly beautiful. In order to get their minds so, so degraded to even have this thought. It's so alien, man. Like, later, Tucker pushes kind of on this point about the need to arrest people who run OnlyFans, while Nick Kind of quietly remarks that it's. It's really? The women or the quote unquote body assets who should be arrested. But Tucker is pretty firm on. No, it's really like the facilitators, people hosting the website who are enabling this. But, you know, Nick. Nick would be totally fine if women on the platform also get arrested, man.

E (24:56)

Ah.

B (24:57)

Again, the insistence that the. A primary objection or like a causal. A causal aspect of why. Why is this allowed? It's for, like, intelligence gathering services is simply beautiful. Do you know what else is beautiful, Robert?

E (25:15)

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B (25:17)

They are for putting up with this. Yeah.

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All right, we're back. Before this final segment, we will. We will trendset end the discussion of porn and. And just talk more about some of Nick's opinions on. On, like, women.

E (28:29)

Oh, good.

B (28:30)

And other factors beyond porn for why, you know, marriage isn't happening. Why. Why aren't people getting married as much anymore? You know, of which both Tucker and Nick think porn is a factor, but there's other factors contributing to this crisis which Nick and Tucker will. Will elucidate. Let's. Let's hear him out.

C (28:52)

So what are the other factors that prevent. I'm sorry I called you gay, by the way, but I'm always. I think I'm just too old or something. I'm like, what. Why is anyone married? You tell me. Why isn't. Why aren't people married?

F (29:04)

Well, I mean, honestly, it's the women.

E (29:07)

All right, okay.

B (29:10)

We solved that problem. Yeah, that's it. I think that does it for us, that it could happen here. They got to the bottom of that pretty quickly. Sorry I called you gay, by the way. So. No, now it's time for the wise in Celsius, Nick Fuentes to bestow his wisdom pertaining to relationships and marriage. And in his eyes, the main problem seems to be that not just women, but specifically that women are too liberal.

E (29:37)

Yeah.

B (29:37)

Really breaking new ground there.

E (29:39)

Yeah, sure. That's. That's it. That's the problem. Because then they don't. Like all of the Nick Fuentes fans.

F (29:45)

The men are extremely conservative. Increasingly, the women are extremely liberal.

C (29:50)

What are they liberal on what issues? Like, what does that mean, liberal?

F (29:53)

Oh, on. On. They're very feminist. Like, actually extremely feminist.

C (29:58)

Yeah, I don't believe that. Do they?

F (30:00)

I think they do really? Absolutely, yes.

C (30:03)

Believe that. I think gender roles are a construct, that none of this is inborn. Like, you'd have to be an idiot.

F (30:09)

To think that they like the idea of it.

B (30:12)

Tucker's delivery. I want to, I want to study it more.

E (30:15)

I feel like they sketched some of this out before they did this, because I feel like they're both leading each other to get out statements that they want to say.

B (30:23)

No. Yeah, it's so crafted here. Like their back and forth exchange is. Is. Oh, is so crafted. Every, every inflection they have, they're like giving each other these key points to then extrapolate on.

E (30:36)

Yeah, there's the stuff that's willful, like the, the claims that, well, young men are, are conservative, which is based on, like a shift towards Trump that's partly reversed over the last year or so. But that was not the vast majority of Gen Z people. Right. Like, it's, it's. Yeah, young people are willing to, like, try out different things and swing back and forth. But, like, it's not, it's not the way he's framing it. Right. Because that's, that's the most convenient narrative for the right that, like all of the young men are pulling towards the right. And so the problem is that women are more progressive. Right.

F (31:11)

Yeah.

B (31:12)

Therefore it has to be liberal women. Yeah.

E (31:14)

Right.

B (31:15)

No, it's, it's, it's a, it's a very, it's a very convenient excuse to explain, actually, a complex set of economic problems which are preventing people from feeling comfortable enough to actually start a family and, you know, safe enough, economically speaking. Nick goes on to complain about, you know, women lying about wanting equality, wanting to work, when really all they want is a quote unquote tough chad quote. The whole political system is based around women never being accountable for any of their choices, unquote. This is namely abortion and no fault divorce, which Nick spends a while talking about how that has been a significant contributing factor towards ruining this country. How women can enter marriages, then leave for whatever reason they want, taking half the money, taking half the stuff, et cetera, et cetera. There's another factor that Nick claims is, is contributing to this problem.

F (32:06)

They have a very high estimation of themselves. I think that people call it Hoeflation. They're. Yes, their, their sense of their own looks and sexual value is very inflated.

B (32:20)

I just had to put the Hoeflation clip in there.

E (32:22)

The Hoeflation, Yes. Tucker Carlson saying Hoeflation is truly a moment for us all.

B (32:27)

Yeah. Again, I really want to just Splice some of these sound bits into my other episode at random points. Now, again, Tucker actually pushes back in, in some of like the in between sections here and I'll play some of that pushback later. But you know, way more than the rest of the interview. So specifically here, Tucker is actually pushing back on Nick's kind of resigned blame directed towards women and the quote, unquote legal incentive structures that he says are contributing to this. And Tucker responds by saying, even if some of these complaints are true, as believers in the natural patriarchy, isn't it men's role to take responsibility, lead by example, and to fix this behavior in women through marriage?

F (33:11)

But I would say that because I hear this all the time, people say, well, the men need to step up and be better and lead the women. Easier said than done.

C (33:19)

I go on. You know, of course I agree with that.

F (33:21)

They're at war with the system and, and not even just the system, but also society.

B (33:26)

So this is, this is the full like joker pilled in cell stuff is that in order to have an actual relationship with women, men have to enter into combat against quote, unquote, society.

E (33:37)

Right?

B (33:38)

Like this, this larger, this larger thing that's influencing women and is, and is making them, you know, depraved and liberal. And Nick argues that even if you find like a nice trad Christian girl, they're going to be on TikTok, they're going to be on Instagram and they're going to be quote, unquote, talking to other women and through osmosis, they're going to get influenced by this liberal culture and say 10, 15, 20 years down the line, people will change and they may not be so Christian and Trad 20 years into your marriage because of society, huh?

E (34:11)

Yeah, I mean, I guess that's the argument I expected from him.

B (34:16)

He'll extrapolate some of his reasoning here.

F (34:18)

And I think that women as kind of the ultimate conformists, the ultimate enforcers of like, social norms. I think eventually the pressure from society kind of gets to them and a lot of them will go into depends.

C (34:29)

What kind of husbands they have. I mean, if there's real leadership at home, I don't know a single happily married woman who's liberal. Not one. I know a lot of married women.

B (34:39)

Here's some of the pushback that Tucker is doing now. But yeah, man, this idea of, you know, the women as the ultimate conformists is the enforcers of social norms. Right? This is like kind of like Longhouse type stuff. And, and Tucker's rebuke of that is that in an actual, you know, marriage with a conservative man, a strong conservative man, all that behavior will get changed because people will fall into, like, their natural biological, patriarchal roles. But Nick still doesn't buy it. Like, he is. He is. He is an insult heart. He has no way that. That Tucker's kind of push back, it's gonna. It's gonna turn him on. This, like, Nick just hates women entirely.

E (35:18)

It's his whole motivation.

B (35:19)

Is that due to some sort of like, fascist homoerotic like, aspect? Maybe, but it's. It's probably even more complicated than that. I mean, part of the fascist femboy thing is people who actually aren't even gay but just hate women so much that they end up being gay because that's like the only mode of connection they can even. Or like physical connection, they can even like, muster themselves to.

E (35:41)

To.

B (35:41)

To like, do. Which I explained in that episode from, you know, a few years ago when I was a baby. But yeah, this is definitely some stuff at play here. And I mean, Nick will always just find new things to complain about in regards to this sort of stuff, like the quote, unquote, epidemic of simps.

C (35:57)

So, like, maybe the job is to, you know, make a girl happy and like, all this nonsense ends.

F (36:03)

Yeah, I don't know. I think that that could be a bottomless pit too, because critique I have of the man is. And you're right about this, they enable this behavior.

C (36:13)

Well, that's for sure.

F (36:14)

It's epidemic of simps. Who. And especially with Christians, I've noticed this.

E (36:20)

Epidemic of s. Yeah, the I, That's. That's something else.

B (36:24)

Marriage as this bottomless pit, like it comes.

E (36:27)

I also love the idea that Tucker's like, well, why. Why aren't men just making women happy? And, you know, the answer there for Tucker is that people like you are not capable of making other people happy. But Nick can't even consider that because the idea of women being happy is. Is deeply offensive to him.

B (36:43)

Yeah, no, I mean, Nick says that SIMP culture, or more specifically a backlash to SIMP culture, is why people like Andrew Tate have gotten so popular despite being a quote, unquote, Muslim polygamist, because Tate is, quote, putting women in their place, unquote, as opposed to Christian men who are tone policing each other and are worshiping women and worshiping their wives, which Tucker pushes back on a bit by saying that the New Testament commands men to love their wives and that wives respect their husbands. We got only two more clips left, but I think they are Very revealing.

E (37:20)

All right.

B (37:20)

As much else needs to be revealed.

C (37:22)

Here, I do think I just noticed this, that men who stay unmarried for too long become, like, kind of fragile. There's something about the give and take. There's something about living with. In fact, I think it's the key to life. Someone you don't fully understand that broadens you, that keeps you always thinking, that makes you wiser, more patient, more thoughtful, more self aware and more flexible. And those are all good qualities. And the absence of that, like, in homosexuality or like men who are single too long, they get very rigid. Have you ever noticed this?

B (38:03)

Have you ever noticed this?

C (38:04)

I like things the way I like them and they just get like, no.

F (38:07)

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

C (38:09)

You don't want that.

E (38:10)

Really, because that's who you are.

F (38:12)

Nick, I would say that when. When you say you don't fully understand women. To me, I feel like women are very simple in terms of.

C (38:20)

Have you ever lived with one?

F (38:21)

No, I haven't lived with them, but I mean.

B (38:23)

All right, let's. Let's cut it down.

E (38:27)

Oh, man.

B (38:27)

Women are really simple. Have you ever lived with one? No.

E (38:31)

It's really funny up until the. Assuming all gay people are the same bit. Tucker's making a good point, which is that, like, part of what's healthy about relationships is, like, living with someone who's not like you. Right?

B (38:43)

Yes.

E (38:43)

Like, that makes us better people.

B (38:46)

And he's very clearly trying to, like, like, push Nick's buttons here. Yeah, he knows because Nick's getting called out because, yeah, he's this angry unmarried guy. He's this like.

E (38:57)

Yeah, little.

B (38:58)

Little unhinged freak.

E (39:00)

Yeah.

B (39:01)

Oh, and yeah, he's like getting. He's absolutely getting called out here. And it's funny that this is the thing out of the entire interview that, that. That Tucker really tries to harp on. It's. It's this married thing. Like, he really wants Nick to get married. That's kind of the main thing he's really pushing for by the end of this interview.

E (39:19)

Yeah, bro, that's going to happen.

B (39:21)

Have you ever lived with one? Well, no, no, of course not. It's wild. I mean, later, Nick tries to argue that, you know, it's. It's really the men who are complicated because men have a, quote, deep connection to math and space. Unquote. Sure.

E (39:38)

Yeah, man. I love my deep connection to math and space.

B (39:42)

Yeah. Robert's so good at math and space.

E (39:45)

Yeah. It's really my strong suits. Math and space.

B (39:49)

Anyone that knows you, I would say.

E (39:51)

Every man I know is good at.

B (39:52)

Math and space versus, you know, women just operate on primal based instincts.

E (39:59)

Of course. Yes.

B (40:00)

Nick says quote, men are masters of the universe. Women are the universe. Which I think is a quote from someone else.

E (40:08)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. God, yeah. You're a real master of the universe, Nick.

B (40:13)

This will be the final clip where Tucker will offer a little bit more pushback towards Nick on some of his views about women and marriage. You got a pretty clear look into into Nick's interiority here as well.

F (40:26)

So.

B (40:26)

But anyway, but whatever the point of.

C (40:27)

Men and women talk past each other constantly, they don't always know what the other one is saying. And that frustration actually gives way to like great beauty over time. I would say.

F (40:41)

I don't know. I, I personally find women very frustrating when they are not expressing and I.

B (40:48)

Just see that beauty of it.

F (40:51)

I see the way I look at is like when you look at your favorite TV shows, right. The Sopranos, Breaking Bad. It's like the wife is the villain because it's like the main character, if the wife could just get out of the way would be running the show. And that's kind of how I feel like Ayn Rand. I agree with her about this. She said that the wife's role is like hero worship. The guy is the hero. The guy is supposed to be the entrepreneur, the conqueror, whatever. And the woman is really supposed to support the man's goals and be in his world. And I've.

C (41:24)

The last thing successful men need is more power worship more hero worship, more. You're so great when you get that at work. You don't want that at home. You become an unbearable asshole. Pray to what destroys every successful man, which is hubris. Like you mistake yourself for God. You need someone who's not interested in what you do at all, only interested in you. And that's how you become balanced and wise. That's how you know your own limits.

E (41:50)

That's shockingly good advice from Tucker Carlson. Like that.

B (41:54)

This is so beautiful. This is so beautiful. When Tucker Carlson is the voice of reason. It's, it's really, it's really scary.

E (42:04)

Yeah.

B (42:05)

But no. So clearly is next like closeted gay incel showing here. Well, like while Tucker pains. Pains to explain to Nick why people actually get into relationships.

E (42:18)

Yeah.

B (42:19)

And Nick just can't do it. He starts talking about the Sopranos and Breaking Bad. That's like the only framework in which he could understand this because he's never had a real relationship. The wife is the villain. I agree with Ayn Rand. Yeah. Famously. Well, Adjusted in the relationship department. Ayn Rand. The wife's role is hero worship and Tucker's like, oh my God, no, that's horrible.

E (42:46)

No, no, that's, that's what ruins people, that destroys people.

B (42:50)

It's fascinating. No, yeah, this is, this is a truly fascinating exchange and it's really telling that this is the thing that Tucker pushes back on. Not the anti Semitism. What she like kind of tepidly offered Nick advice on how to change his rhetoric to be more appealing, but did not push back on the substance of it because Tucker is actually just as anti Semitic as Nick is. Yeah, but no, this is, this is the thing that he, that he decided to, to, to do. And yeah, like my initial feeling after watching this whole 2 hour and 18 minute stream is like this whole stream or this whole episode felt like Tucker was kind of trying to be some sort of mentor figure to Nick or saw that Nick might be the future in some way. Like, might be whether it's the future of the party or future of like, you know, this sort of like commentating class or style. And kind of wanted to offer a little bit of a guiding light towards someone who I think Tucker does see as, you know, having some obvious issues and saying some nasty things, but. And wanting to kind of write that course in a way or provide Nick a bit of a fresh start to restate some of his views on the biggest right wing platform online, which is, which is Tucker show right now. I guess that's kind of, that's kind of all I have on this women in. In porn section. I guess the last thing before we close there is this question, right, with people in the GOP who are scared about Nick's. Nick's influence, at least in the commentating classroom among like interns.

E (44:11)

Yeah.

B (44:12)

But specifically scared of it one because of the, you know, anti Israel stuff. But also if that's going to hurt them electorally. Right. A lot of people couch this and saying, well, you know, these views aren't popular with the electorate. Republicans are never going to win elections if this griper thing takes over. And that leaves us, you know, people who are against, against, you know, the rise of fascism and authoritarianism in kind of a weird spot because I don't think we can really do anything to encourage like the groiperification of the gop, like an accelerationist fashion. But we can kind of let it happen. Yeah, we can choose to just let it happen or we can choose to kind of stop it in like the 2017 Antifa, you know, framework of like trying to prevent this stuff from spreading because it will always lead to bad things. And yeah, after doing all this research last week and really continuing into this week too. I mean, Trump just gave a statement in support of Tucker and saying that he should get the word out about Nick Fuentes. I've continued to be looking at this stuff and. Can we even stop it, though, at this point? Right. Like, how much of the Antifa project even succeeded, considering where we are now politically. Right. But no, there certainly is this, like, internal debate in terms of letting this stuff happen versus trying to actively oppose this, like, griper takeover of the gop.

E (45:33)

Yeah, I mean, I. I don't think there's realistically anything that we can do to influence how popular Nick Fuentes is on the right. Like, if you just start screaming about how bad and dangerous he is, that's going to convince a lot of people. Oh, well, the left hates him. That must mean, you know, he's our guy. Yeah, likewise. I, I don't know. I. I don't. I. I don't think it's our place. I think it's our place to make sure people know what Nick actually stands for. That if there's some sort of, like, whitewashing of his character that they attempt to do in order to make this more electorally viable that people are aware of, like, how, how unhinged this guy is. I don't think. I don't think the kind of shit Nick is saying here will, Will do well when exposed to the body politic as a whole, because it's nuts. But that said, like, I don't think you can. You're gonna scold your way out of this?

B (46:26)

No, no. And I guess part of the education is making sure people have a more full understanding of Nick Fuentes. His views on women and his.

E (46:34)

Yeah.

B (46:34)

And his little conversation on pornography. I think that actually is important because all of these guys are weird little incel Freaks.

E (46:41)

Yes. And people don't like how weird they are when they're confronted with it.

B (46:45)

No.

E (46:46)

Right. Mostly what they're concerned about is whether or not there are jobs and shit is more or less expensive. They don't want some weirdo telling them that living with women will make them weaker.

B (46:58)

No, even. Even Tucker doesn't like that.

E (47:00)

Yeah.

B (47:01)

Well, I think that does it for us today at It Could Happen Here.

E (47:06)

Great.

B (47:07)

I hope this episode is something.

E (47:09)

Yeah, I hope it's something too. Good night. Goodbye.

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