It Could Happen Here – "Nick Fuentes Explains Pornography to Tucker Carlson"

Cool Zone Media & iHeartPodcasts
Date: November 18, 2025
Hosts: Garrison Davis, Robert Evans
Main Subjects: Nick Fuentes, Tucker Carlson, pornography, right-wing sexual politics, Gen Z masculinity, misogyny, OnlyFans

Episode Overview

This episode is a deep-dive discussion between hosts Garrison Davis and Robert Evans into the final third of the recent viral interview between far-right streamer Nick Fuentes and former Fox anchor Tucker Carlson. Focusing on Fuentes’ views on pornography, sexuality, and gender roles, the hosts frame this as a vital (if disturbing) lens through which to understand the growing influence of hyper-online, incel-adjacent far-right men in US political discourse. The commentary is biting, irreverent, and at times darkly amused at the bizarre obsessions and obsessions exhibited during Carlson and Fuentes's conversation.

Key Topics and Insights

1. Background and Context

• Episode Premise:
  • Garrison recently published an episode exploring Nick Fuentes’s ascent and the conservative infighting triggered by Tucker Carlson’s interview with Fuentes. Most prior coverage skipped the porn/sexuality portion, but listener demand led the hosts to revisit it here.
• Why the Porn Segment Matters:
  • “If we're going to view Fuentes and the Groypers as a threat able to sway national political discourse, it’s important to cover his weird sexual politics.” (B, [04:08])
  • Parallels drawn to how understanding Proud Boys’ sexual practices is key to understanding the group’s fascist orientation.

2. Nick Fuentes’s Argument about Pornography and Sexual Dysfunction

• Fuentes’s Core Claims:
  • Modern American men are “sexually dysfunctional” due to pervasive Internet pornography.
  • “I think that it's impossible for a real woman to compete with the availability and novelty of pornography.” (F, [06:09])
• Logic Extension:
  • The novelty and availability of porn makes “the juice not worth the squeeze” in real relationships. It leads to erectile dysfunction and an inability to enjoy “regular sex,” sabotaging relationships. (F, [08:19])
• Hosts’ Observations:
  • Garrison and Robert note the incel undertones and how Fuentes frames this as both a male failure and, more pointedly, a female one.

3. Fuentes’s Claims Linking Porn to Sexual Orientation

• Carlson’s Provocations and Fuentes’s Extreme Assertions:
  • Tucker asks: “It seems like it's making a lot of people gay too.” (C, [09:03])
  • Fuentes: “Yeah. And trans.” (F, [09:05])
  • Carlson: “You think that's true?”
  • Fuentes: “100%.”
• Hosts’ Reaction:
  • “This is like the ‘sissy hypno’ theory that porn can make somebody trans. Very goofy stuff, especially for Nick.” (B, [09:35])
  • Robert points out the connection to Fuentes’s own ‘catboy’ persona and rumors about his habits: “All of these guys love watching trans porn... that’s what kind of drives some of their obsession.” (B, [12:17])
• Notable Bit:
  • Out-of-context running joke as both hosts and even Carlson repeatedly exclaim, “That’s a lot of jerking off.” ([10:47]–[11:07])

4. Porn as a National Security Threat – Tucker’s Unique Concern

• Carlson’s Take:
  • “The big porn companies give visibility to foreign intel services... so that means people know what you're looking at. There's likely video and audio of you watching.” (C, [19:17])
• Hosts’ Reaction:
  • Amusement at how Tucker’s main objection is state surveillance, not moral decay—a distinctly Cold Warrior flavor. “Tucker’s made objection to pornography is... the idea that it poses a security risk because of foreign intel services.” (B, [19:23])

5. Fuentes’s Projections and ‘Catboy’ Allegations

• Recap of the Catboy Scandal:
  • Garrison recounts how a leaked analytics screenshot from a Fuentes-linked Twitter account appeared to show a tab open on trans femboy porn. Fuentes denied ownership, but the incident fueled ongoing rumors. ([20:55]–[22:12])
• Host Commentary:
  • “Especially again considering that he operated a catboy Discord channel on his server. But he has staunchly denied this as, you know, a based Catholic incel.” (B, [22:12])

6. OnlyFans: The “Iran of Masturbation”

• Fuentes on Normalization:
  • With OnlyFans, porn “is as casual as having a TikTok... here's my Instagram, here's my OnlyFans.” (F, [22:54])
• Carlson’s Rhetorical Leap:
  • “Why wouldn't you arrest the people who run something like that?” (C, [23:35])
  • “Is Iran a bigger threat or is OnlyFans? Iran's not turning my daughter to prostitution that I'm aware of.” (C, [23:40])
• Hosts’ Laughter:
  • “Is Iran a bigger threat or is OnlyFans? ...What a beautiful mind that is.” (B, [23:49])
• Fuentes and Carlson agree:
  • The existence of these platforms is seen as both a tool for intelligence agencies and a moral evil.

7. Wider Cultural Blame – Why Aren't People Marrying?

• Carlson’s Lead-In:
  • “Why aren't people married?” (C, [29:04])
• Fuentes’s Blame:
  • “Honestly, it's the women.” (F, [29:04])
  • Claims women have become “extremely liberal” and “very feminist,” thus incompatible with the (supposedly) conservative male population.
  • “The whole political system is based around women never being accountable for any of their choices.” (Paraphrased, [31:11])
• Codewords:
  • Fuentes invokes “Hoeflation” to describe women’s supposedly inflated sense of their sexual value. (F, [32:06])
• Host Sigh:
  • “Tucker Carlson saying Hoeflation is truly a moment for us all.” (E, [32:22])

8. Pushback and Parody: Carlson’s Surprising Counterpoints

• Leadership and ‘Fixing’ Women:
  • Carlson: “Isn't it men's role to take responsibility, lead by example, and to fix this behavior in women through marriage?” (Paraphrased, [33:11])
  • Fuentes argues it’s too difficult—men must “war with the system” to have relationships. Women are “the ultimate conformists,” inevitably corrupted by society, even if initially ‘trad.’ (F, [34:18])
• Carlson Again:
  • “If there's real leadership at home, I don't know a single happily married woman who's liberal. Not one.” (C, [34:29])

9. The ‘Epidemic of Simps’ and Andrew Tate

• Fuentes's Complaint:
  • “Epidemic of simps, especially with Christians.” (F, [36:13])
  • Says Andrew Tate is popular for ‘putting women in their place,’ unlike Christian men who, in his view, ‘worship their wives.’
• Carlson Pushes Back via New Testament:
  • Notes that Christianity actually commands men to love their wives.

10. Living with Women, or Not: A Window into Fuentes’s Mindset

• Carlson’s Perspective:
  • Asserts that living with someone you don’t fully understand (i.e. women) broadens and improves men. “In the absence of that... men who stay unmarried for too long become, like, kind of fragile.” (C, [37:22])
• Fuentes’s (Non-)Experience:
  • “To me, I feel like women are very simple... No, I haven't lived with them.” (F, [38:21])
• Mockery from Hosts:
  • The exchange underlines Fuentes’s lack of real-world relational experience and his reliance on TV (e.g. Sopranos, Breaking Bad) for ideas about gender dynamics.
• Fuentes:
  • “Men are masters of the universe. Women are the universe.”
  • Cites Ayn Rand: “The wife's role is like hero worship... the woman is really supposed to support the man's goals and be in his world.” (F, [40:00]–[41:24])
• Carlson, Unexpectedly Sane:
  • “The last thing successful men need is more power worship... you need someone who's not interested in what you do at all, only interested in you. And that's how you become balanced and wise.” (C, [41:24])
  • Robert: “That’s shockingly good advice from Tucker Carlson.” (E, [41:50])

11. Final Reflections: The Implications for the Right and the Left

• The Dilemma for the Left:
  • Garrison ponders whether to let the Groypers’ influence grow or continue antifa-style resistance, noting neither approach seems to matter much.
  • “I don't think we can really do anything to encourage the groyperification of the GOP in an accelerationist fashion. But we can kind of let it happen.” (B, [44:03])
  • Robert: “If you just start screaming about how bad and dangerous he is, that's going to convince a lot of people—oh, well, the left hates him, that must mean he's our guy.” ([45:33])
• Why This Matters:
  • Educating broader audiences on Fuentes’s actual beliefs, especially the bizarre and warped sexual politics, is crucial so that any attempts to mainstream him are confronted with the reality of his worldview.

Notable Quotes & Moments (With Timestamps)

• On porn’s impact:

  • “I think that it's impossible for a real woman to compete with the availability and the novelty of pornography.” – Nick Fuentes (F, [06:09])

• On porn causing homosexuality and trans identities:

  • “It seems like it's making a lot of people gay too.” – Tucker Carlson (C, [09:03])
  • “Yeah. And trans.” – Nick Fuentes (F, [09:05])
  • “100%.” – Nick Fuentes (F, [09:07])

• On Nick’s online scandals:

  • “...You saw the bottom of it, which looked a lot like a very specific trans femboy porn video on Pornhub...” – Garrison (B, [21:40])

• OnlyFans vs. Iran:

  • “Is Iran a bigger threat or is OnlyFans? Iran's not turning my daughter to prostitution that I'm aware of.” – Tucker Carlson (C, [23:40])
  • “Is Iran a bigger threat or is OnlyFans? ...What a beautiful mind that is.” – Garrison (B, [23:49])

• On women's “Hoeflation”:

  • “They have a very high estimation of themselves. I think that people call it Hoeflation.” – Nick Fuentes (F, [32:06])
  • “Tucker Carlson saying Hoeflation is truly a moment for us all.” – Robert (E, [32:22])

• On living with women (or not):

  • “I feel like women are very simple in terms of—” – Nick Fuentes (F, [38:12])
  • “Have you ever lived with one?” – Tucker Carlson (C, [38:20])
  • “No, I haven't lived with them...” – Nick Fuentes (F, [38:21])

• Hero worship and patriarchy:

  • “The wife's role is like hero worship. The guy is the hero... the woman is really supposed to support the man's goals and be in his world.” – Nick Fuentes (F, [41:00])

• Carlson’s pushback:

  • “The last thing successful men need is more power worship... you need someone who's not interested in what you do at all, only interested in you. And that's how you become balanced and wise.” – Tucker Carlson (C, [41:24])

Segment Timestamps

• [01:54] – Show begins, context for focusing on Fuentes’s sexual politics.
• [05:47] – Fuentes’s porn thesis and incel overtones.
• [09:03] – Carlson and Fuentes link porn to being gay/trans; hosts mock the logic.
• [10:39] – “That’s a lot of jerking off”; comedic riff from hosts.
• [16:09] – Fuentes on the difference between sex and porn, despite lack of experience.
• [18:24] – Blanchardian theory, identity via porn, and foreign intelligence tangent.
• [20:55]–[22:12] – Catboy and trans porn tab analytics discussion.
• [22:54]–[23:49] – OnlyFans, normalization, and “Is Iran a bigger threat than OnlyFans?”
• [29:04]–[31:11] – Why aren’t people marrying? “It’s the women.”
• [32:06]–[32:22] – “Hoeflation” and women’s overinflated self-worth, according to Fuentes.
• [33:11]–[34:18] – Pushback: Shouldn’t men ‘fix’ women?
• [36:13]–[37:20] – Simps, Andrew Tate, tone policing, and the Christian men complaint.
• [37:22]–[38:21] – Carlson on marriage as a growth experience; Fuentes hasn’t lived with women.
• [40:00]–[41:24] – Men as ‘masters of the universe,’ hero worship, and Ayn Rand.
• [41:24]–[41:50] – Carlson’s best advice: “You need someone who's only interested in you.”
• [44:03]–[47:01] – Should the left push back or let the Groypers take over?

Takeaway

This episode exposes the warped, conspiratorial, and deeply misogynistic narratives at the core of Nick Fuentes’s appeal to certain segments of the American right; it also showcases the ways figures like Tucker Carlson both humor and (occasionally) poke at these views, but rarely challenge their core poison. The hosts are unsparing in their ridicule, contending that the airing of such views is crucial so that mainstream audiences aren't fooled by attempts to repackage or “whitewash” Fuentes’s hate-driven ideology. As Robert Evans puts it:

“I don’t think the kind of shit Nick is saying here will do well when exposed to the body politic as a whole, because it’s nuts.” ([45:33])