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Thank you for coming back on the show. Let's start our main topic. Last summer, President Trump announced a UFC championship fight at the White House in 2026 as a part of the festivities for America's 250th birthday. The event was initially planned to take place on July 4th, but last October, Trump announced it was rescheduled to take place on Flag Day, June 14, which coincides with his 80th birthday. Come Memorial Day, a giant claw like canopy was being erected on the South Lawn right in front of the White House. The event, officially titled UFC Freedom 250, had a lower capacity than originally envisioned, just 4,000 attendees, far from the 25,000 spectators on the White House grounds that Trump pitched last summer. The 4,000 seats in the miniature stadium arena were invite only. Most tickets went to members of the military, while Trump had 1,000 tickets to give out at his discretion, though there were 85,000 free tickets to watch the fights on big screens from the Ellipse park near the Washington monument. UFC Free M250 was streamed on Paramount and began with Trump and UFC CEO Dana White walking together from the Oval Office to the Octagon. Zak Brown sung the national anthem featuring a military flyover. This was a $60 million production with fireworks, dirt bike tricks and music by the US Marine Band, which played Trump's favorite song. YMCA billionaires like David Ellison and Mark Zuckerberg were in attendance, along with members of Trump's cabinet and politicians. Before the first fight, UFC announcer Bruce Buffer kicked things off in a way that really encapsulated the entire event, and I'll show you this clip here and I'll have the audience listen to the audio from the South Lawn of the
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White house in Washington D.C. for USA Freedom to 50 presented by Rand Trucks. Nothing stops RAM and by crypto.com, the world's leading cryptocurrency platform, as sponsorships on the White House lawn. Let's go dude.
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Crypto shout outs literally within 30 seconds of like the actual like event, like starting, like after, after the anthem, like when, when the fight starts. Within 30 seconds we get cryptocurrency ads. And I mean the stage was covered in logos for red, white and blue Monster Energy, Meta Rumble, the far right video streaming platform crypto.com as mentioned, stake gambling and of course polymarket. UFC fighters were actually paid in the form of a crypto coin called USD1 issued by the Trump family's own crypto company, World Liberty Financial. Awesome crypto all the way in this event. But UFC Freedom to 50 went off largely without a hitch, save for a stunt pulled by UFC heel Josh Hokutt after winning his heavyweight match where he called Michelle Obama a man while being interviewed by Joe Rogan.
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Oh, that's, that's probably one of my favorite conspiracy theories. The Michelle Obama is a man.
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It's pretty old. People have been, people have been writing that for like over a decade.
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That's a, that's a classic. I like the ones that mix it with Michelle Obama is a man and Obama used to be a woman. Those are the ones that I really respect.
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A solid straight T4T relationship there.
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Yeah.
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Joe Rogan never addressed this comment for the rest of the night and the UFC cut out this comment from Hokit from the YouTube upload and has been issuing takedown requests across social media. UFC CEO Dan White told Time magazine that he's, quote, completely against saying nasty and false things about people's families. Everyone knows my position on free speech, but I hate that kind of nonsense, unquote. But according to the FBI, this event could have gone very differently. On the morning of Tuesday, June 16, the DOJ announced that the FBI and law enforcement had prevented a mass casualty attack attempting to kill government officials. With five arrests in multiple states over that weekend, early reports framed the alleged plot as a sophisticated multi step plan involving explosives, drones and snipers. Vice President J.D. vance addressed the alleged terror plot on Fox and Friends Tuesday morning saying, quote, so much of the far left rhetoric is driving itself towards violence. Let's take a listen. This is a very, very dark stuff. This is what happens when people turn the rhetoric up so loud that disagreeing with somebody is a cause for violence. That's the place that we've come to, unfortunately. I think a Lot of my Democratic colleagues in Washington have got to look themselves in the mirror and say, why is so much of this political violence coming from our side of the spectrum? And maybe they can do something different.
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His eyes are getting like deeper set. Like he, he looks waxier and waxier as the days go on.
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Maybe he's just using a thicker eyeliner or maybe he's moved to eyeshadow. That's possible, that is, which is the sensible move. You start off with eyeliner, it doesn't look good. And then you realize what I should really be doing is eyeshadow.
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Imagine tears streaking down his face and his. His eye.
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Ooh, Midwest emo. Oh, Midwest emo. Jdf.
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A shiver ran up my sp.
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So according to the Vice President, this alleged terror plot was coming from the Democrat side of politics and simply the result of them turning up political rhetoric. Fox News reported that upwards of 23 people were involved in this plot, five of whom are currently in custody. With the details of the plan being uncovered on the encrypted messaging app Signal, Fox News claimed the thwarted attack was targeting capitalism, billionaires and aipac. JD Vance also mentioned how the administration is going after the terrorist funding networks facilitating this kind of violence. We're trying to look at the underground networks that drive towards this violence. 23 people do not get to the point where they're going to commit a mass terror incident in Washington D.C. without some serious funding, without some serious coordination. And we've actually been trying to go with those networks of coordination because this is a terrorist, that's a terrorist plot. That's not a few guys doing crazy stuff. That is a coordinated, planned terrorist plot. Thank God we thwarted it, but we got to do more of that stuff. According to the charges announced by the DOJ, Tyson Proper, 19 years old, of Ohio, Brian Rao, 24 of California, Michael Thomas, 32 of California, Daniel Eskridge, 32 of Missouri, and Abraham Alvarez, 31 of Nebraska all conspired to plan and execute a mass casualty event targeting politicians and other quote unquote, high value targets. At the UFC Freedom250 event, the coconspirators allegedly planned to use drones to drop unspecified explosives on the north side of the UFC arena, forcing event attendees to evacuate south where other co conspirators would be set up with sniper rifles and to fire on the fleeing crowd.
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It's sort of a real shame that the IO Interactive guys aren't making another Hitman game for a minute.
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A lot of this is like very Hitman, very. Yeah, very. Agent 47's type stuff. And as we get more into the plan, it's going to get increasingly video gamey.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche said, quote, the FBI, our law enforcement partners and our U.S. attorneys did what they do every day to make America safe through quick response and vigilance in investigating, disrupting and dismantling this alleged plan before it could be carried out. FBI Director Kaj Patel said, quote, thanks to the rapid action of this FBI, our partners and the DOJ in a multi state operation, multiple individuals are now in custody and allegedly planned attacks were stopped cold. While the results represented the best of investigative work, it was also nothing out of the ordinary for this law enforcement team. We are built to detect, respond to and bring to justice those who threaten the lives of American citizens, unquote.
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And he said all that without blinking those big wet eyes of his.
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I think this was mostly in the form of a tweet. So it sounds like the FBI did a darn fine job preventing this terrorist attack. Except what happened here was not the result of the FBI's excellent investigative prowess. They did not just stumble across this attack because of their, you know, diligent, diligent efforts to disrupt terrorist planning. Law enforcement only learned about this potential attack because on June 10, the mother of one of the co conspirators called local law enforcement in Ohio concerned about her son's recent firearm purchases and contact with individuals online. Officers went to their family home and spoke with 19 year old Tyson Proper and his family. According to the criminal complaint, a family member told officers that Proper had, quote, recently met random people online and quit his job in preparation to conduct, quote, unquote missions and quote unquote reconstruction with these individuals as soon as that upcoming weekend. Proper allegedly spent about $3,000 of his graduation money to buy, quote, camping gear, food, ballistic plates, a new shotgun, a rifle, lots of ammunition, extra magazines and plate carriers, unquote. The family turned all this equipment over to the police voluntarily. After local law enforcement interviewed Proper and his family, Tyson Proper was transported to Dublin Springs Mental Health Center. And I think this is quite notable is that they did not take him into custody, but was transferred to a mental hospital. In the DOJ announcement they refer to this as a medical facility, but in court documents they specify it's a mental health facility. And the criminal complaint says, quote, law enforcement submitted an application for an emergency admission based on his homicidal ideations, detailing that Proper had been thinking about joining the military or police force with the goal of being able to kill people, unquote.
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I like that it's always like, these guys, no matter what, what political ideology they have, at one point they're like, maybe I should just fucking join the military. Maybe I should just join the police. I just really want to fucking shoot people. It's like, I want a cause. I want, like, a duty.
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Yeah, that's sort of kind of more like floaty mindset. I think there's more of a factor here than like, any specific political ide. Ideology, in a sense. And we'll get into that once we. Once we talk about the way that this group envisioned itself, like the role that it had on starting a second American revolution. But there's. There's very little, like, defined ideology happening with these individuals. And for someone, like, proper, there's a large degree of delusional thinking at play here.
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Yeah, it's. It's guys who want to do missions. Yeah, exactly.
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That's it.
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Like, they want to do missions in recon.
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It's very. It's very like, aesthetically based on, like, the military and it's like, idea of, like, tactics. And we'll get into this sort of, like, you know, military fetishism later on as well. But yeah, it's very much like, very, very video gamey. Very much like I want to plan, like, a mission to do in real life, like, what we play in video games. That's the sort of feeling across reading about their plan because their plan is relatively complicated, and there's no way that they could have pulled a plan like this off. Like, this type of plan would be hard for a nation state to be able to do successfully. There's. There's no way that, like, five guys from, like, across the United States with like, a, you know, nerdy focus on, like, tactical kit would be able to, like, do this.
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About, like, halfway through planning, they would have given up and all gone gay, probably.
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What do you mean, gone gay?
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Well, they would have turned it. I was just thinking, like, you know, really quitting your job. This guy quits his job to meet his online friends, you know, go hang out with them in the woods.
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That's a more positive outcome. Yes.
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50, 50. Like, they either try to plan a mass terror attack or they, like, all end up, like, kissing and stuff, you know?
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I mean, yeah, camp. Having a gay camp out in the woods is the more positive path for people like this.
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Yes.
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Because that's really all they need is just a group of friends to go camping with.
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Well, I do. I do like how Vance and them are talking about it. They're like, we fuck we got these guys who were definitely going to try and shoot up our UFC event and they were going to successfully do it if we didn't stop them. And it's like, if you look at the kid, it's like a mentally ill teenager.
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Yes. And as we will also get into, you know, far from this like left wing, anti capitalist motivation which JD Vance and Fox News are promoting, that is not at all what was going on here. So the day after Tyson Proper was admitted to the mental health facility, the sheriff's office contacted the FBI. After searching Proper's phone, investigators found signal chats detailing a planned attack with maps highlighting potential sniper locations and drone launch points. According to the criminal complaint, Tyson Proper's family saw him researching and mapping locations around Washington D.C. and when asked what he was doing, he said that he intended to conduct quote, unquote, recon and quote, unquote, hit and run missions.
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Hit and run missions. Awesome, dude. That's fantastic. I'm gonna do GTA 5 online, like Heist, like prerequisite missions before we go blow up this, this UFC event.
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So on June 11, the FBI searched Proper's home and found a journal that the criminal complaint says contained a list of approximately 46 names, including celebrities and politicians, as well as pages, quote, in which Proper wrote that the government sought to control people and to sacrifice children and others to a demonic figure, unquote.
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Awesome. We're going, it's getting better. It's, it's getting better.
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So yes, this is obviously evidence of like delusional thinking. Like, this is not, this is not someone who's doing well. And this is also not your typical rhetoric from a Democratic politician, considering the claims Made by J.D. vance. This is not, this is not regular Democratic politician rhetoric. Proper's family told the FBI that he recently began interacting with a group of people online who quote, represented themselves as ex military and that may share some Christian based ideology, unquote. The family believed that these people online were using religion to manipulate Proper and that they, quote, expressed ultra religious and anti government sentiments, specifically citing grievances about government corruption, the handling of the Epstein files, data centers, taking up all the water in communities and other government actions, unquote. So rather than sort of general like left wing anti capitalist or rhetoric from Democratic politicians motivating this attack, this is very general, kind of libertarian, esque, anti government sentiments. And this, as we will discuss, this group did not consider itself on the right or the left, but saw themselves as American patriots more than anything else. And they were upset about government corruption and had this anti establishment kind of leaning that was pushing them to plan very complicated and far fetched attacks against the establishment and corrupt politicians.
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This is very average guy who sells cars ideology.
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Yes. Oftentimes when people like read through these sorts of core documents, they'll be like they had a incoherent ideology. And you're like, it's, it's not, not really incoherent. Right. They're responding to real things in the world. Like everyone knows we're all being fucked over government did mishandle the Epstein files. There is a lot of corruption. Right. And it does exist on both sides of the political spectrum. So like they are responding to real things, but there's not an avenue that it's being channeled in a helpful or useful direction. So it gets dispersed through these very larpy, like idealistic, violent avenues where you get a group of people who don't really know what to do but are seeing these problems in the world and then what they end up doing is larping themselves into federal custody by typing on signal about their dreams to shoot
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politicians spending their college money on guns.
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Yeah. Now, the criminal complaint in Ohio for Tyson proper also specifies that family members highlighted concerning statements he'd made in recent months on social media, quote, such as making sympathetic comments about Adolf Hitler and posting anti semitic comments on Facebook, unquote. Wow.
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Left wing.
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Well, they are national socialists after all.
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True, true.
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We will return to discuss Tyson proper and the alleged attack on UFC 200 after this ad break.
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Okay, we are back on June 11, the FBI interviewed Proper at the mental hospital where he admitted to planning an attack on the Freedom250 event. At the White House, the FBI ran their own search of Proper's phone, and on the encrypted messaging app Simplex found messages identifying possible targets. The criminal complaint alleges that in mid May, Proper identified a senator from Tennessee and wrote, quote, she's taken money from the pro Israel lobby and supports them, unquote. A few weeks later, Proper sent pictures of four members of Congress apparently taken from the Track APAC website, writing, quote, these are the people we're going to focus on. Proper allegedly told police that members of this group that were planning the attack were primarily recruited through TikTok, where members shared photos and videos of tactical kits and physical training via TikTok direct messages. Once a recruit had proven himself on TikTok, they were then let into a, quote, unquote, vetted signal chat.
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So glad this isn't happening on my video app of choice, Instagram reels. I really, I really don't want to start restricting that.
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The TikTok aspect is super interesting because there's elements of this that's similar to the accelerationist, like Nazi terrorism of, you know, 2016 to 2020. These people are not explicitly Nazis, even if there's an aspect of anti Semitism kind of directing this violence. But this is anti Semitism that is largely focused on the role that Israel has in influence in the US Government and the Israel lobby and politicians taking money from Israel. That's where most of the anti Semitic aspect comes from. And then in Proper's case, he is posting about Hitler on Facebook. But this is not driven by like neo Nazi style anti Semitic ideology. Like, these guys aren't posting about Sonnen Rads or Germany or race science. At least that's not what's outlined in the court documents. So some of this does feel downstream from the accelerationist Nazis like the base and Atomwaffen and their target selection that we'll get into in a sec kind of also is similar to this. But they're not primarily organizing this on like telegram, right? This is, this is guys posting like shooting videos and tactical kit on TikTok. And that's how they meet each other is through TikTok sharing videos of their, you know, plate carrier and doing shooting drills. And then they start, you know, talking and they start planning these sorts of operations as they call them, and then they move to signal to plan these things more in depth. Proper's phone contained a large signal chat with approximately 19 individuals along with smaller chats consisting of four to five people that were divided based on role assignments and locations. In these chats, the group discussed exit, escape and evasion resources for the Freedom 250 attack, including the location of potential safe houses. One of the signal chats was titled Hunters, which the complaint says, quote, contained detailed instructions for carrying out the attack and plans to safely escape. Proper showed the FBI the TikTok profiles of other co conspirators. And based on this, investigators were able to identify someone in California and someone in Missouri. The guy in Missouri, Daniel Eskridge, had the username fulcrum resist on TikTok. And they were able to identify him because he followed himself from another account with his legal name, and the account with his legal name largely just reposted the tactical videos from FulcrumResist.
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Like reposting your own videos and being like, I don't know, this guy looks pretty sick. This guy looks like a badass dope. Have you guys seen this guy shooting, oh my God, I bet he's gonna do something crazy one day.
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This guy has a wife and five kids.
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Oh my God.
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He's like, I think it's like 32 years old. He lives in a rural property about an hour north of Kansas City. And he's, he's kind of the most interesting guy in this whole deal for me. The FBI was also able to identify co conspirators based on information in the Simple X messages given to them by proper. Now, one of these Simple X group chats was called Vanguard of the Old Republic.
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Gods. Yes.
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This was the main name that this group used to refer to themselves was Vanguard of the Old Republic. And there was another Simplex chat that was called Vanguard of the Old Republic. Parenthesis OPS stage one, which was there, which was like a. Which was like an, you know, an off planning chat.
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Awesome. That's so dope.
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I'm gonna read some messages from fulcrum. That is Daniel Eskridge of Missouri. He wrote that the vanguard of the Old Republic should intend to, quote, recruit operators into this group and start making teams to complete tasks and objectives to push our lines forward.
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So good.
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Quote. The definition of a vanguard is the leading group in an advancing army or the foremost pioneers in any field, movement or industry. That is what we strive to be. This chat here will be insulated for the most part from each team's detailed plan. So we won't post exact details in this chat. This will be the main chat for everyone as we grow. And we will have specific OPS chats Our goal is, in a general sense, to, quote, restore the old Republic. Our constitutional republic has been stolen by corporations, politicians and foreign actors. They have usurped power from the people and concentrated it at the top to the point that we now live in late stage, quote, unquote democracy. When I say restore the old Republic, I'm not talking about all the flaws that we had in the past times, but merely talking about the fact that in a constitutional republic, the people truly hold the power. And that's what we intend to restore. To get there, this country needs more fuel on the fire to show our fellow Americans that the time has come to stand up and reclaim that power. May 22, 2026.
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Oh my God. People who are on like the. The Star wars wiki forum, like way too much like I'm on the. What is it? Wookie? Pediatric. Yeah, Wikipedia mod.
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Another co conspirator named Michael Thomas of California wrote, quote, to be clear, I intend to escalate this group and I don't want to take six business years to do it. Unquote.
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Six business years. He's making it sound more professional. That's a lot.
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So much of this is like larpy, right? They're using all these like, you know, like this sort of like tier one operator terms which we'll get into in a sec, and like, you know, missions. They wanted to sound professional. Six business years. A business year is the same as a regular year. It's not. But Thomas also wrote that everyone in the group should, quote, consider yourselves an enemy of the state and discussed imagining executions. Another co conspirator named Brian Rao of California wrote about the need for, quote unquote, guerrilla style warfare and quote unquote raid attacks with, quote, skilled operators to work like ghosts to conduct infiltration missions. Unquote. Yes, very hitman, very agent 47. Right, right. These are frankly just like totally, totally delusional. The criminal complaint says that Thomas and Rao met at least once in the last month in Southern California to, quote, practice marksmanship and tactics. Michael Thomas of California described different tiers of operators within the vanguard of the old Republic. And this is largely taking from military terms. Tier 1 operators may be asked to put themselves in harm's way, break the law and potentially go into hiding. Tier 2 would consist of getaway drivers, drone operators, and direct support may still be asked to seriously break the law. Tier 3 may be a runner or part of the underground railroad. Indirect support, recruitment, supply, logistics tech, still actively contributing, but most likely safe from legal issues. Tier 4, social media influencers protesters, funders, press, followers. Nobody is being asked too much or taking any risks. Tier 1 status is not something to take lightly. You'll be sacrificing for your country and carrying a brunt of the weight. We will try to break them out of jail if we need to. Unquote.
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Oh my God, dude.
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Oh, this is, this is kind of them at their larpiest is like when they're talking about like four different tiers of operators and it's like you and like at, you know, at the most like 19 of your Internet buddies.
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Yeah.
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And kind of at the least kind of you and your five closest friends talking about how you want to like wage insurgent warfare against the government.
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They're structuring their Discord server.
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Yes, yes, that is, that's what's happening. Just not on Discord, but on Simple X and Signal. But like, a lot of people like, know guys like this, right? These are guys in their 20s to 30s who played a lot of like tactical military video games who have this sort of like military tactical fetishism. And they're looking for like an outlet for this combined with this anti establishment sentiment that is based on very real things happening out in the world, but it has nowhere to be directed. So they just do this LARP and eventually wind up in federal custody and get charged with conspiracy to commit murder on the White House grounds. FULCRUM Daniel Eskridge of Missouri wrote, quote, so right now in the historical timeline, I believe we are at the trigger event point. Meaning to set this off, we need an event or events that cause people to realize the revolution has officially begun. So this is what the group intended to do. They intended to execute attacks that served as trigger events to cause this sort of mass, like, upswell of support for a second American Revolution. They didn't call it a civil war, they called a second American Revolution. And that, that is how they envisioned themselves as, as being the operators that will do trigger events to put this all into motion. It's kind of similar to like the Boogaloo boy type stuff from, you know, five, six years ago. This group allegedly talked about attacking power grids with a fleet of drones to hit specific Transformers and discussed assassinating several US Senators, House representatives and prominent business executives. So this sort of target selection, very similar to like the base and Atomwaffen and like, you know, neo Nazi accelerationist terrorism from around like the, you know, 2016-2022 type era. The group did debate how they should choose assassination targets with Fulcrum writing, quote, we need to make sure it's someone that can't be easily turned into a right versus left thing. We want someone both sides would celebrate, would cheer and support us for taking out.
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Both sides would celebrate us shooting up. This one guy, like this one guy's weird America birthday event. Like, what, what did.
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I mean, I think what they're pulling on from here is stuff like the Luigi Mangione incident, right? They're trying to identify like. And I find this part to be very interesting because a lot of these guys do have this sort of like, like Christian nationalist or like Christian, like libertarian. It's kind of unclear, but they definitely have this like, Christian element to their motivation. They see themselves as patriots, but they do not explicitly associate themselves with like the right or the left. Right. They see themselves as kind of like outside politics. But I find this aspect to be rather interesting when they're trying to specifically find targets that will allow for both people on the right and left to like cheer them on or like join in on like a second American Revolution. This does push them towards talking a lot about like APAC backed politicians and unnamed prominent business executives. Their names are redacted in the criminal complaint, but I'm sure that's, you know, it's, it's blackrock.
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It's.
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Well, it's, you know, it could be people like Jeff Bezos or like Elon Musk. It doesn't, it's not totally clear, but I'm assuming that's the sort of range in which they're discussing. Fulcrum texted quote. So the goal here is to get at least three trigger event ops fully planned and manned, and to the best of our ability, to have them executed on the same day or in rapid succession so that our message is undeniably clear to our illegitimate government and our fellow Americans that we are waging war. We don't need to wait for resistance infrastructure, supply lines and all these other things. That's what every other group in this movement is working on. And I'm sure one of them will be able to get it right. But they can't do that without mass support. And they won't get mass support as long as people think all anyone is doing is holding signs and chanting. All we need is three small groups of fully committed operators with a fully fleshed out and perfectly formulated plan and all real world on the ground intel they will need for each op to be successful. Once we've decided on what three events would provide the most impact and bring in the most support, we will create special chats for Those ops specifically, so that only the people on those ops know the details, unquote.
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All of this planning just for one 19 year old. I gotta, I gotta invite my, my mentally ill 19 year old buddy into this, this group chat so he can, his, his mom could get really worried.
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That's how a lot of this stuff goes. And like, I, I don't want to, I don't want to diminish the possible harm that a group like this could cause. I think something that Robert pointed out last week when discussing this on Executive Disorder is like, this group could have easily spawned like one or two, like mass shooters, right? Or they could have acted on a plan that was way too difficult to pull off, that caused a lot of collateral damage, right? This group could have done something very bad. This group could have set a plan into motion that ended up killing or wounding a bunch of people or driven people towards other sorts of violent acts, Right? Because they're encouraging each other to buy weapons, buy kit, do all these things, right? So there was a potential for real harm here. Was the UFC Freedom250 event ever in serious harm from these people? Absolutely not. There was no way they were able to pull off their plan, as we will soon discuss. But first, let's go on another ad break.
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Okay, we are back. I have one more encrypted message from from Fulcrum or Daniel Eskridge of Missouri.
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Exciting.
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Quote, I can't speak for everyone in saying we're tired of not making shit happen and tired of being ruled over by treasonous pedophilic criminal politicians and foreign agents, unquote. The Fulcrum wrote that what they're doing is not only our birthright, but also our duty as Americans. It's about time the elites in the government are reminded of why they should fear the people, especially the American people, unquote. So Eskridge wrote that the American people is the largest standing army in the world with 107 million gun owners. He also believed that half of the military would join their cause and not follow, quote, unquote, unlawful orders after the second American Revolution kicks off. And that following a successful trigger event operation, potentially 3% of the US population would stand with their group writing that just like America's forefathers, quote, what we do here will reverberate around the world and echo throughout history. Long live the Republic, unquote.
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Oh, God.
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So that's the most we know about the group formation and the sort of drivers that they themselves are discussing. Let's close by getting back into the UFC Freedom250 attack plan, because the more that I learned about this plan, the more it became clear that this would just simply never happen. This is not a feasible operation. It would be hard for a special ops military team to pull this off at this location, let alone five of your TikTok friends to pull this off. And like the plan to target Freedom 2, 50 really only kicked off a week before the event was scheduled to take place.
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Well, there's your issue, guys. If you had a little, maybe a month's heads up, you know, maybe you could have gotten something going.
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On June 7, Fulcrum messaged the vanguard of the old Republic about using the White House UFC event to take out, quote, unquote, high value targets. In his message, he mentioned communication with, quote, unquote other groups and said that the UFC attack would require cooperation from everyone and that they would need to, quote, put a hold on the other ops that were currently being planned. Quote. We need five teams of three, each team consisting of one sniper, one tier, one operator as support lookout, and one drone operator. As a part of the planning, they needed to pick five Locations ideal for precise sniper shots and for the drone pilot to operate from. Fulcrum wrote, quote, once each team is mission ready, the green light will be given and the drone rigged with explosives will fly and they will initiate the attack, unquote. So after the explosives detonate, the attention will be, quote, on the skies and not the rooftop snipers, who will then eliminate, quote, unquote, high value targets.
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Oh, also, I feel like the skies and rooftop targets are remarkably close, kind
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of in the same sort of range.
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I'm feeling if you're looking up, you might see on the roof, I don't know.
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No, Even the idea that you can get a sniper on a rooftop anywhere close to the White House without getting your head blown off is, like, insane, right? There's just no way that's gonna happen. You're not gonna be able to get a sniper on a roof within a sight line of the White House. I mean, following the attempted assassination on Donald Trump in Butler, I can see why people might think it's easier to set up a sniper location than one might expect. The White House is, like, the most defended place in the country. Like, especially at an event like this where there's even more security, I just don't see how this is in any way feasible. Now, the group believed that there would be a protest outside of the event and that this would help allow, quote, unquote extraction teams to evacuate the quote, unquote operators to a location out of state after successful completion of mission objectives. Fulcrum wrote, quote, if we are successful, this could be the first battle of the second American revolution. Who is willing to be able to drop everything and be one of these 10 operators? And who is confident and capable of flying drones? June 7, 10:28pm 19 year old, raise your hand. Babe, please come to bed. No, no, honey, I've been.
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I've been activated. I gotta go. My friend, I got. You know those friends I've been hanging out in the woods with? I gotta go. They need me.
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So, like, even if this group got enough quote, unquote operators to pull off this mission, which is highly questionable, if not impossible, they simply did not have the funds, the materials, or the resources to carry out an attack like this, let alone the skill or logistical capacity. Fulcrum texted the group, quote, we also need to come up with $1,300 asap.
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We need to come up with $1,300. You can't just pull it.
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What?
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This guy has three kids and a wife, and he can't pull five kids and he can't pull like one.
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Expensive.
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We have. Oh, true, true.
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Yeah, but you're gonna.
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You're gonna die. Like, he's gonna. He knows he's going to die. He's larping like he's gonna get out, but he knows he's gonna die and he can't be like, I will go and I'll sell some and I'll get like $1,300. We gotta fund this.
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Do you have like a credit card? Yeah. Does anyone have a credit card? No. Quote. $1300 gets us the drones and the charges. We should all pitch in and we need it to asap.
C
What kind of drones are they getting? Like, is this Amazon? Like, you look up drone on there. What? I'm just picturing, like, the drones that you see getting flown around, like, at the park by a family that just
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bought it just carrying a grenade.
C
Exactly, yeah.
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Thomas of California replied, quote, I'm flat broke. I can pay in manpower, though. I bet you could come up with a hundred dollars in a week somehow. Maybe just hold a sign by the freeway saying, quote, fund the freedom fighters.
C
Oh, my God, that's awesome, dude.
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So, unable to pay for bombs, the group talked about trying to build drones and discussed breaking into military facilities to steal the explosives needed for their attack plan.
C
Does anybody. Does any of us know how to build this?
B
Oh, shit.
C
We might have to redo the whole.
A
Or.
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Or we can break into some of the most protected facilities in America. I think that might be the. That might be the better choice.
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To be fair. Some of those military facilities are as protected than what you might think.
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That's fair.
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The criminal complaints reads, quote, a member of the group stated he knew how to build drones connected via fiber optic cable and capable of carrying explosive charges, but did not have access to the materials needed for explosive charges. That number suggested that they, quote, may need to hit a military industrial complex facility for the things we need. FULCRUM or Eskridge responded. 10 4. I'm liking the sound of this.
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Awesome. What? You're texting people. 10 4, what are you doing? What are we doing?
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The complaint alleges that the group continued to discuss the, quote, benefits and the detriments of obtaining a, quote, unquote, cook for explosive charges versus stealing military ordinance from a manufacturing plant, unquote. They were looking at a few locations in Kansas and zeroed in on the Kansas army ammunition plant, though they never actually stole explosives from this plant, but they sure did talk about it, and their conversations are in the charging documents.
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Awesome.
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So again, this is all happening days before this attack is supposed to kick off. And a part of the plan is for a day or two before UFC Freedom 250, the group was to meet up in Fredericksburg, Virginia to like, go over plans again in person and like, you know, practice and prepare. So they needed to get guys in Fredericksburg around the 12th or the 13th. One of the members who was interviewed by the FBI confirmed that the group was communicating online about attacking the event, but claimed that the attack plan was canceled on June 12th. And of course, Tyson proper was placed in the mental health facility on June 10. So somewhere between June 10 and June 12, the group called off their plans. It is notable, however, that at least one of the co conspirators did attempt to drive to Washington DC. When Brian Rowe was interviewed by the FBI, he admitted that he'd tried to drive to Washington DC to protest UFC Freedom 250, but denied any involvement in this conspiracy. And he told the FBI that his vehicle malfunctioned and had to return home. One of the most interesting parts in the criminal complaint is this FBI agent writing about how when he was interviewing Rao, Rao discussed how someone could hypothetically use drones armed with explosives to bomb buildings near the White House, which would cause a mass panic with limited deaths at UFC Freedom 250, and mentioned this as an example of how to use drones to enact political change in a more targeted way rather than indiscriminate killing. The FBI agent wrote, quote, based on this exchange, I believe Rao was privy to the operational details of the plan, unquote. So Brian Row just like, talked about the plan, just like, as a hypothetical to an FBI agent while the FBI was searching his vehicle after admitting he tried to drive to D.C. to protest the event, but was not involved in any criminal conspiracy.
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That's like being, you know, you just got caught. Your spouse has found all of your. Your secret messages or whatever to your. Your Grinder lover. And while they're going through your phone, you're like, I mean, what if somebody was hypothetically going to do that? Like, if I, you know, it wouldn't be that bad because with a. It's with a man and not a woman. So it's like we love each other completely different ways, but that's just like me, you know, that's not real. That's not like it wouldn't be anything real. Just like, hypothetically, you'd be cool with that, right? You'd be cool with that.
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The FBI was not cool with that. Especially considering that when executing a federal Search warrant of Rao's vehicle and home. They seized an AR15 style rifle, a Glock 19 handgun, a tactical belt, an ammo can full of bullets, a two way radio, an infrared laser target pointer and a rifle magazine. Brian Rao's family members told law enforcement that Rao had alluded to traveling to D.C. and according to the California criminal complaint, Rao told his family that quote, one day they would wake up and he would be gone and that he intended to travel to Washington D.C. where, quote, unquote, something big would happen. Big. Similar to Proper's family, Brian Rouse family suspected that he may be intending to commit an act of violence based on a, quote, increased time spent shooting weapons and a noticeable change in behavior including increased anxiety, irritation and seclusion, unquote.
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Dad spending a lot of time in the shed with a gun in his mouth.
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Family also told law enforcement that Rao had been spending a lot of time online with a new group of friends with his family. Also telling law enforcement that they considered reporting him to the police after he left on his way to D.C. but did not because he returned home so quickly. Rao told the FBI he had vehicle trouble. On June 13, law enforcement officials executed a federal search warrant of Daniel Eskridge or Fulcrum's residence and agents seized rifles, a shotgun, a pistol and other tactical gear that matched photos Eskridge posted online. That same day, FBI searched the home of Michael Thomas in California where they seized a hunting rifle, an AR15 style rifle, 30 round extended magazines with approximately 180 rounds of ammunition as well as a pistol. While Michael Thomas was being interviewed to quote the criminal complaint, quote, he stated that he saw himself as the planner and advisor for the group and while he was not willing to take action, himself wanted to guide and instruct others on how to carry out attacks. Thomas expressed frustration that some members of the group seemed non committal and used excuses as to why they could not take action. Thomas said that the aim of this and subsequent attacks was to create enough chaos to bring about the overthrow of the US government which he believed was being quote, run by an elite group of individuals who sacrifice and consume infants who are also deeply involved with Jeffrey Epstein and are now protected by President Donald Trump. Thomas places some of the responsibility of this corruption of the US government with Jewish people and blames them and Israel for the current war with Iran, unquote. So yeah, that is what did not happen at UFC Freedom250.
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Nothing will ever happen.
B
Now. JD Vance did go back on Fox News Tuesday night on Fox News the Five and said, quote, it Turns out the plot was, like, not that advanced. They weren't in town. They had not really done that much planning, unquote. So slightly backtracking his previous assertions.
C
We gotta find who's funding these guys. These guys who can't pull out 1,300 bucks from, like, between the. Between five people? Yeah, between, like, what is going on? Like, no, I didn't. Wasn't it like 19 or something in the signal?
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19. In the biggest signal chat related to the group, there's. There was 19 people. So far, only five have been arrested. More have been interviewed. Right. Because the FBI mentioned interviewing someone in West Virginia who said. Who said that the attack plan was canceled as of recording. This guy's not been arrested and charged. We don't know his name. So they definitely. They definitely are talking with other people related to this, like, network.
C
Well, they know he was a Tier four operator. He wasn't. The law can't touch him.
B
No. Yeah. Famously how Conspiracy charges were.
C
Yeah, yeah.
B
The last thing I want to mention is the fifth guy that was arrested, right. Because there was five people arrested initially, and that is Abraham Alvarez. He was known as, quote, unquote, shepherd, online Call of Duty.
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Of course, Classic.
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And the DOJ claims that he was responsible for planning, organizing and directing the planned attack. Alvarez allegedly picked out the drone launch points and sniper locations and claimed to have one drone and was trying to get others. He also selected a safe zone meetup location in Nebraska for after the attack. Elvira's also claimed to be cooking explosives, but court documents never specify that drones or explosives were seized during any of the searches. So we don't know if he actually had a drone or actually had explosives. It seems unlikely because of the whole plan of needing to steal explosives from this military facility in Kansas. But he may have been trying to make explosives. But at this point, it's kind of unclear. Now, before any of the details of any of the alleged attackers was released, a Fox News contributor said that considering President Biden let in, quote, unquote, millions of unvetted people into the country, it would be a very dangerous delusion to believe that these terrorist organizations and countries did not use that open border to bring people inside, unquote. And as we've already discussed, this was not the operation of a foreign terrorist organization or people that were brought into the country. These are Americans. These are American patriots, self ascribed. But on Thursday, June 18, the DHS announced, quote, alleged ringleader of UFC terrorist plot is a Mexican illegal alien, unquote, with acting Assistant Secretary Lauren Biss. Writing, this illegal alien from Mexico should have never been allowed in our country. He was the ringleader of a failed terror attack targeting UFC Freedom250 at the White House. The current legal status of Abraham Alvarez is kind of unclear, but he was not brought into the country under Biden's open borders. He entered the country as a child on a B2 visitor visa that expired in December of 2021. He's been in this country nearly his whole life. And under Obama, he was granted Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, in 2014, suspending possible deportation. So while it looks like he currently may not have legal status, this was not an illegal alien who snuck across the border from Mexico. This guy was brought to the United States as a child and has lived here for over 25 years. Over 27 years. So I do think that is worth noting. But I'm sure going forward, the Trump administration will be running with this idea that this illegal alien from Mexico planned the UFC Freedom250 terrorist attack. And the actual context of how Alvarez entered the country is important. Not that it will matter to Fox News or the Trump administration, but I do think it is worth specifying. And of course, there's upwards of 19 other people involved in this and the four others that I've spent most of the episode talking about are all US born citizens. Anyway. Yeah, that's what did not happen at
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USC Freedom250 and let things, I suppose, continue to happen. Not happen.
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It could not happen here.
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It will continue not happening.
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So, Bailey, new poster. Where can people find you online?
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Oh God, I'm on Blue sky as New Poster two.
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Very smart pick.
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Yes, I'm also on the other app X as New Poster two, but I,
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you know, not very, not very woke of you.
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I'm also on Instagram as post litical bling because that account has not been suspended three different times. And then on Twitch as I think on Twitch is New Poster two as well.
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Podcast: It Could Happen Here (Cool Zone Media / iHeartPodcasts)
Date: June 22, 2026
Hosts: Garrison Davis with guest Bailey (New Poster)
This episode examines the much-publicized alleged terror plot targeting the UFC Freedom250 event held on the White House lawn in June 2026. The hosts dig into how the supposed plot came to light, who was involved, the reality (or lack thereof) of the group’s plans, and the political/media responses. The show situates the story in the broader context of American political violence, delusional "operator" subcultures, and the way such threats are framed by media and law enforcement.
[03:28 – 07:04]
[07:21 – 09:19]
DOJ and FBI announce they foiled a sophisticated multi-state terror plot: arrests made, involving drones, explosives, snipers.
Media and Vice President J.D. Vance immediately cast the plot as "far-left" political violence, blaming Democratic rhetoric.
Quote:
"So much of the far left rhetoric is driving itself towards violence...That's the place we’ve come to, unfortunately."
– VP JD Vance on Fox & Friends ([08:12])
Hosts jeer at Vance’s TV persona:
[12:17 – 17:38]
FBI only uncovered the plot because the mother of Tyson Proper (19, Ohio) called local police over sudden weapons purchases and a drastic shift in behavior, not because of FBI surveillance prowess.
Proper had quit his job, amassed tactical gear, and was admitted to a mental hospital for “homicidal ideations.”
Law enforcement found no concrete plans—just grandiose statements, online maps, Signal chats, and piles of gear turned over by the family.
Quote:
"They want to do missions and recon. It’s very video gamey." – Garrison ([15:05])
Group’s planning is described as delusional/life-action-roleplay (LARP), with no realistic means to achieve their “military tactics” fantasies.
[17:55 – 21:06]
The group organizes via TikTok (not classic far-right Telegram), showing off tactical gear, then migrates to Signal for "planning."
Political ideology isn't coherent—they’re anti-government, anti-corruption, upset about “Epstein files,” and “data centers stealing water.”
Proper showed signs of anti-Semitism (sympathetic Hitler posts, anti-Jewish comments), but the group’s motivations were a pastiche of conspiratorial grievances, not left-wing radicalism as claimed by officials.
Quote:
“Oftentimes when people read through these sorts of core documents, they’ll say ‘it’s incoherent ideology.’ …They are responding to real things, but there’s not an avenue that it’s being channeled in a helpful or useful direction.” – Garrison ([19:56])
These are mostly "guys in their 20s-30s who played a lot of tactical military video games," looking for a cause.
[25:48 – 33:33]
[44:40 – 55:18]
[38:37 – 39:37]
[57:11 – 61:46]
JD Vance on why violence exists:
"So much of the far left rhetoric is driving itself towards violence...That's the place that we’ve come to, unfortunately." ([08:12])
Hosts on "operator" culture:
"About halfway through planning, they would have given up and all gone gay, probably." – Bailey ([15:58])
"Camp, having a gay camp out in the woods is the more positive path for people like this." – Garrison ([16:24])
On the group’s political incoherence:
"This is very average guy who sells cars ideology." – Bailey ([19:52])
Describing group’s LARP subculture:
"They're structuring their Discord server...just not on Discord but on SimpleX and Signal." – Garrison ([33:56])
On gaps between fantasy and reality:
"Unable to pay for bombs, the group talked about trying to build drones and discussed breaking into military facilities to steal the explosives needed for their attack plan." ([50:01])
Summing up the plot’s implausibility:
"This is not a feasible operation. It would be hard for a special ops military team to pull this off at this location, let alone five of your TikTok friends." – Garrison ([44:42])
The episode exposes how a supposed domestic terror plot can become a tool for media/political sensationalism—but beneath the headlines often lies a sadder, less coordinated reality. The threat is real mostly as a symptom of a drifting, isolated subculture rather than any grand revolutionary scheme.
For additional details, check the cited court documents and reporting referenced throughout the podcast.