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Robert Evans
Counterterrorism. No, I prefer table terrorism.
Garrison Davis
Counter. I hardly know earth terrorism.
Robert Evans
Hi. This is. It could happen here. Yeah, I'm Garrison Davis, that's Robert Evans.
Garrison Davis
And not a lot to be proud of with that introduction.
Robert Evans
No, not much to be proud of. But there's also not much to be proud of considering the 2026 White House counterterrorism strategy.
Garrison Davis
That's right.
Robert Evans
So I think we put equal amount of work into this as Sebastian Gorka did every year.
Garrison Davis
The new counterterrorism list is. It's my Dune, you know, or whatever big movies coming out this year. I was excited.
Robert Evans
Yeah, I mean, I was excited until I actually read it. And that's what we're gonna be talking about today. And it's a short one. This is, this is very short, actually. This is just 14 pages of actual text, about half the length of previous comparable documents. Now, there's been a lot of headlines about the political weaponization after this strategy was released, and we'll talk about that in a sec. But let's first start by talking about how the document starts with a presidential foreword by none other than Donald Trump, dated May 2026. Trump lists counterterrorism accomplishments from the first year of his second term, like mobilizing DHS to remove illegal alien criminals and jihadist sympathizers, to arresting the ISIS K operative who planned the Abbey Gate suicide bombing in Afghanistan and rescuing over 100American hostages. Speaking of, Trump also says he secured the release of the remaining October 7th hostages and quote, began the process of ensuring Gaza can no longer serve as a haven for terrorism and extremism, unquote. And that's through establishing Trump's own Board of Peace. The president writes that Operation Midnight Hammer and Epic Fury have dealt, quote, unquote, devastating blows to Iran, which Trump calls the world's number one state sponsor of terrorists. Other actions Trump Admin. Has taken include designating Muslim Brotherhood chapters and quote, unquote, deadly cartels as terrorist organizations. With Trump boasting that he, quote, began using the strength and power of the US Military to stop and destroy cartel operations. The example that he includes here is when the US Armed forces captured the, quote, unquote, narco terrorist outlaw, Venezuelan dictator Nicholas Maduro. So Trump's opening forward covers the majority of what this 16 page total strategy is focused on. As Trump writes, quote, cartels, jihadists, or the governments who support them. And what Trump doesn't actually write about in this forward is what most reporting on the new counterterrorism strategy has focused on the later inclusion of left wing terrorism as one of the nation's leading terror threats. And that's what we'll be mostly talking about today, though we will cover the the other two types of terrorism that this guide focuses on now. This strategy is the brainchild of White House counterterrorism czar Sebastian Gorka, a far right Hungarian commentator who briefly Served in Trump's first term. This new document states, quote, a new type of domestic terrorism has emerged, driven by violent extremists who have adopted ideologies antithetical to freedom and the American way of life. The terrorist threat has changed. We face new categories and combinations of violent actors that make established ways of doing counterterrorism insufficient or obsolete. This strategy lists three main types of terror groups the US Is currently facing. Narco terrorists and transnational gangs, legacy Islamic terrorists and violent left wing extremists, including anarchists and anti fascists. Now, we'll get to the narco terrorist stuff later, but let's, let's start with that last line, which is clearly, clearly pulling from Trump's antifa terrorism executive order.
Garrison Davis
Yeah.
Robert Evans
As well as the National Security Presidential Memorandum number seven, which directed federal law enforcement to investigate potential crimes relating to political violence and terrorism, quote, under the umbrella of self described anti fascism. This is a pretty clear political weaponization of the intelligence community apparatus. And the new counterterrorism strategy doubles down on what MSP M7 established writing. Quote, in addition to cartels and Islamist terror groups, our national counterterrorism activities will prioritize the rapid identification and neutralization of violent secular political groups whose ideology is anti American, radically pro transgender and anarchist. We will use all the tools constitutionally available to us to map them at home, identify their membership, map their ties to international organizations like Antifa, and use law enforcement to cripple them operationally before they can maim or kill the innocent. We will do the same with state sponsors of such groups and those governments undertaking lethal plots on U.S. soil or against Americans anywhere, unquote.
Garrison Davis
Sure. Are there any cases of that happening? Are there any antifa groups killing Americans?
Robert Evans
They have one case. They have one case.
Garrison Davis
Not antifa groups, but yes.
Robert Evans
Oh, they don't have cases of, you know, state sponsors backing, backing antifa, but they do have, one instance included a violent left wing extremism which we'll get to in a sec. That's, that's one example across this like 14 to 16 page document. Now the violent secular ideologies that I just listed are very similar to or overlapping with the common indicators and motivations animating violent conduct included NSPM7, anti Americanism, anti capitalism, anti Christianity, support for the overthrow of the United States government, extremism on migration, race and gender, and hostility to those who hold traditional American views on family, religion and morality. Now, after this new strategy was published, Sebastian Gorka told reporters, quote, we are taking ideology and counter ideology very seriously. Unquote. Now, despite that clear political focus, literally calling it left wing extremism, something that Biden never really did with right wing extremism, at least in documents like this.
Garrison Davis
No. Shocking.
Robert Evans
Despite that clear focus, this counterterrorism strategy claims that counterterrorism operations will be executed, quote, unquote, apolitically, and actually spends a significant portion complaining about how the Biden admin previously weaponized counterterrorism operations against innocent Americans. Great stuff, quote. As real threats were ignored or underplayed, Americans have witnessed the politically motivated killings of Christians and conservatives committed by violent left wing extremists, including the assassination of Charlie Kirk by a radical who espoused extreme transgender ideologies, unquote. This is the only example of, quote, unquote, left wing violence included in this entire document. Just this. Just this one killing. Now, on Executive Disorder, we have reported on a few instances where the Trump administration has tried to weaponize the killing of Christians or attacks against churches as being motivated by like, anti Christian bias, even when the people committing those attacks were themselves Christian. And for all that we can tell, we're not religiously motivated against Christians. But they tried to glom onto a few of these incidents.
Garrison Davis
Certainly not the Charlie Kirk assassination.
Robert Evans
Exactly right.
Garrison Davis
Yeah.
Robert Evans
But they've tried to glam onto these examples to build this narrative of like, anti Christian violence which is rising in the United States. And as for the assassination of Charlie Kirk, we still don't have a clear picture of the motivations behind that attack. More on that later. After this new counterterrorism strategy dropped, I did the thing that I assume anyone would do and read through the past, like three or four counterterrorism strategies. Really?
Garrison Davis
Yeah.
Robert Evans
Great, great stuff from the past 10 years.
Garrison Davis
Good work.
Robert Evans
Trump released one in 2018, then Biden's came out in 2021. Now, the first mention of any non Islamic terrorist group in Trump's 2018 counterterrorism strategy is the Nordic Resistance Movement, quote, a prominent transnational self described national Socialist organization with anti Western views that has conducted violent attacks against Muslims, left wing groups and others, unquote. This document from Trump's first term focuses almost exclusively on Islamic terrorism, specifically ISIS and Al Qaeda, but also briefly mentions the neo Nazi National Action Group in one paragraph and in another reads, quote, the United States has long faced persistent security threat from domestic terrorists who are not motivated by a radical Islamist ideology, but are instead motivated by other forms of violent extremism, such as racially motivated extremism, animal rights extremism, environmental extremism, sovereign citizen extremism and militia extremism, unquote. But that's really all it has on non Islamic extremism in what is a 34 page document. By the time Biden got into office, white supremacist violence had risen dramatically and the Biden Admin Released a domestic terrorism specific counterterrorism strategy. This document, released in June of 2021, starts by describing racially or ethnically motivated violence from the KKK during Reconstruction to attacks on black churches and synagogues and the El Paso shooting at the Walmart. Then the document covers what it calls anti government or anti authority violent extremism, including the Oklahoma City bombing, the Congressional baseball game shooting and the recent January 6th attack. I'm going to read a paragraph from Biden's domestic terrorism strategy here to compare Quote Today's domestic terrorists espouse a range of violent ideological motivations. They also take on a variety of forms, from lone actors to small groups of informally aligned individuals, to networks exhorting and targeting violence towards specific communities to violent self proclaimed militias. Among that wide range of animating ideologies, racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists, particularly those who promote the superiority of the white race and militia violent extremists are assessed as presenting the most persistent and lethal threats. These actors have different motivations, but many focus their violence towards the same segment or segments of the American community, whether persons of color, immigrants, Jews, Muslims or other religious minorities, women and girls, LGBTQI plus individuals or others. Their insistence on violence can at times be explicit. It also can at times be less explicit lurking in the ideologies rooted in a perception of the superiority of the white race that call for violence in furtherance of preservation and abhorrent notions of racial purity or cleansing. Unquote. Now Biden's strategy does later specifically mention quote unquote anarchist violence, though within the broader context of anti government or anti authority extremism. Quote A significant component of today's threat includes self proclaimed militias and militia violent extremists who take steps to violently resist government authority or facilitate the overthrow of the US government based on perceived overreach anarchist violent extremists who violently oppose all forms of capitalism, corporate globalization and governing institutions which they perceive as harmful to society. The document goes on to mention sovereign citizen violent extremists and other groups that resist or oppose legislative, regulatory or other actions taken by the government. This strategy also names a few single issue ideologies which may motivate violence like abortion, animal rights, environmental issues or involuntarily celibate violent extremism. But that little section there is the closest that the Biden strategy gets to quote, unquote, left wing violence, as Trump would call it. But rather than referring to violence as somewhere on like left right politics, Biden's strategy tries to specifically name the exact motivating factor driving the violence. His document reads, quote, the definition of domestic terrorism in our law makes no distinction based on political views right, left or center, and neither should we. Unquote. Biden's AG Merrick Garland would often say that combating domestic terrorism is about stopping violence, not policing ideology. And quote, unquote, violence, not ideology was an often repeated refrain during the Biden administration. And this is something that the Biden administration definitely acted on. The FBI investigated Stop Cop City under Biden and a significant portion of the domestic terror related charges while Biden was in office were levied against Stop Cop City protesters by the State of Georgia with investigative assistance from multiple federal agencies, and almost all of whom were charged with terrorism were not actually charged with any specific violent crime. We'll talk more about the partisan weaponization of terrorism or counterterrorism after some ads.
Garrison Davis
Excellent.
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Garrison Davis
Ah. And we're back.
Robert Evans
It's such a blast from the past. Like, read through all of these. Biden counterterrorism manual.
Garrison Davis
Yeah, boy, back in those days. Yeah. Makes me, makes me nostalgic.
Robert Evans
It's just a totally different world.
Garrison Davis
Yep.
Robert Evans
Like, it's unfathomable to like think of the federal government now using this kind of language. Talk about like ethnic cleansing being done by like white supremacist motivated terrorists. It's, it's like, it's just a totally different, totally different ball game. Now, in Trump's new strategy, it states that under The Biden admin, U.S. officials quote, used their significant powers to politically target individuals in the interests of those they favored, wanted to keep in power, or to help win elections, unquote. Now, under Biden, there was an increase of domestic terrorism related prosecutions following January 6, plus unrelated felony cases against Trump himself and prosecutions of Trump allies related to the Stop the steal efforts. In 2022, the DOJ opened a new unit focused on domestic terrorism investigations. And just that year, $100 million of additional resources were allocated to the DOJ, FBI, NDHS for countering domestic terrorism. Now, this increase in focus was correlated to an increase in attacks. The Government Accountability Office reported that between 2010 to 2021, domestic terrorism related investigations had grown by 356% with 231 confirmed incidents. According to the DHS, in just Biden's first year of office, the number of FBI domestic terrorism investigations more than doubled. During this time period, the intelligence community classified racially or ethnically motivated violence as the most common type of attack. That's 35% of domestic terrorism. And this category also contributed to the most deaths. The second most common type of attack was anti government or anti authority motivated violent extremism with 32% of attacks. And that category covered a lot of different things, including the militia stuff as well as the anarchist stuff. It depends on who's doing the exact categorization though.
Garrison Davis
Yeah.
Robert Evans
Now, the racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists were most likely to conduct civilian mass casualty attacks, while militia types were more likely to target law enforcement or government apparatus. In comparison, Trump's new counterterrorism strategy does not contain a single mention of racially or ethnically motivated violent extremism.
Garrison Davis
Weird.
Robert Evans
Not one.
Garrison Davis
Not one.
Robert Evans
Which is, like, which is astounding. Right. Even, like, beyond. Beyond the clear partisan weaponization. Like, just from a counterterrorism standpoint, like, this is. This is bizarre. This is, this is quite, quite a choice. The last pillar of Biden's counterterrorism strategy was, quote, confronting long term contributions to domestic terrorism, like racism, bigotry, religious or ethnic hatred, unquote. Meanwhile, Trump's new strategy says that the fearsome powers of the US Government must never be abused, quote, whether under the guise of de radicalization, protecting our democracy, or any other pretext, unquote.
Garrison Davis
Great.
Robert Evans
Which is. I don't. I don't even know how to respond to that.
Garrison Davis
Yeah. What are we. Yeah, like, what are you supposed to say?
Robert Evans
I mean, it demonstrates they're not actually interested in combating what is the most lethal form of domestic terrorism.
Garrison Davis
No. And they never have been.
Robert Evans
Even in Trump's first term, at least. They moved towards that as the threat was increasing, but now they just have no interest whatsoever. And actually, like, target de radicalization as an example of the fearsome powers of the US Government.
Garrison Davis
Yeah. Like, the thing that never worked and, like, never actually did anything is the big boogeyman for you guys. Ok.
Robert Evans
It's. It's wild. The new strategy includes a few examples of US Government overreach. Quote, our nation has not been well served by its intelligence community, which has been mirrored in old ways of looking at threats, or has been actively weaponized by its leadership as a political tool. Whether plotting against conservative Catholics attending traditional Mass in Virginia, parents standing up for their children at school board meetings, members of Congress, or President Trump and his associates, this administration will continue to prohibit the intelligence community from. From being used politically against innocent Americans, unquote. So that's the main example of partisan weaponization of the intelligence community. Let's start with this first one, targeting Catholics attending traditional Mass. This refers to a 2023 FBI memo from the Richmond field office on how racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists were displaying a growing interest in traditionalist Catholicism.
Garrison Davis
Great.
Robert Evans
And how trad cath extremist violence could be mitigated by building connections within the church.
Garrison Davis
Sure.
Robert Evans
Now, random Latin Mass churchgoers in Virginia were not being investigated. Rather, this memo was discussing the, quote, unquote, growing overlap between the white nationalist movement and quote, unquote, radical traditionalist Catholics and how white supremacists may use trad cat social media to promote Violence and recruit root. This memo also made a distinction from ordinary traditional Catholics who prefer Latin Mass and the extremist beliefs and violent rhetoric from what they call radical traditional Catholics. What we would just call trad cats, like colloquially. After backlash to this memo, the FBI claims to have scrapped it for not meeting the standards of the FBI.
Garrison Davis
Sure, yeah, we've seen how high those standards are in Cash Patel's era.
Robert Evans
I'm going a little bit of like a, a tangent here because I wanted to get more information about this Richmond field office memo and investigation. So it turns out the FBI did monitor a traditionalist priest at a church and this church was not considered by the Vatican to be in full communion with the Catholic Church, but it's still Catholic affiliated. This priest refused to speak with the FBI about communications he had with a parisher who was a self described radical traditional Catholic clerical fascist. Self described, who was posting about conducting a mass shooting at a special needs school, armed resistance against the government, learning how to manufacture pipe bombs, and using untraceable means to purchase supplies to manufacture 3D printed weapons. Posting about that on this Catholic account.
Garrison Davis
Yeah, nothing sketchy.
Robert Evans
So this Nazi was actually previously arrested in 2019 after being overheard making comments about political violence While purchasing several AR15 style rifles, multiple high capacity magazines, and large quantities of two to three ammunition, as well as making online statements advocating civil war and the murder of politicians. Now, after getting out of prison, this guy started attending this traditionalist church and planning an attack. The FBI claims he tried to recruit others with similar belief systems and made comments to churchgoers about his intent to commit violence. He was arrested again and pleaded guilty to possessing a destructive device. So the FBI was looking into this priest because this priest was not talking to them about what the communications were with this Nazi communications that they know existed. And so they briefly looked into him. This caused a massive backlash among the right. This is where Marjorie Taylor Greene was posting about defunding the FBI. A lot of the, A lot of the dismantle FBI stuff coming from the right was based on this incident of the FBI, you know, targeting conservative churchgoers. Little side tangent there. The other main example from the Trump counterterrorism strategy refers to parents and school boards. This is in reference to a letter from the National School Boards association requesting federal intervention into the harassment, threats and attacks against school boards in 2021. And this letter read in part, quote, these heinous actions could be the equivalent to a form of domestic terror and hate crimes, unquote. After this letter was sent, the AG Merrick Garland announced the government was going to look into these threats. This too sparked a huge backlash from the right, claiming that the FBI was investigating parents for terrorism. There was congressional hearings, and a month later, the National School Board association apologized for some of the language they included in this letter. So those are the two main examples of this horrendous government overreach and weaponization of the intelligence community against innocent Americans.
Garrison Davis
Yeah, of course. I mean, it's just, it's frustrating how like reality doesn't matter at all here, but what is the point of even like going in and line by line, here's everything that's wrong with that. I don't even know anymore.
Robert Evans
No, it's not a matter of convincing. It's often a matter of just holding my sanity together, I guess.
Garrison Davis
Yeah, yeah, no, no, it's important to like, look at it to some extent, document how bullshit it is. But it's also just like, it's incredibly frustrating to like see this fucking tradcat priest get away with shit that like people would go to prison for if the ideologies were reversed, you know?
Robert Evans
Yeah, sure. If you, if you switch this stuff around, you can imagine how the Trump administration would be handling it. Yeah, A Unitarian pastor planning a, planning some kind of attack with like an antifa super soldier.
Garrison Davis
Well, or, or just if you've got like a Unitarian pastor or whatever, like a, someone who is tangentially attached to someone left wing who was like posting about carrying out an attack. Like the, the level of backlash would be higher and would hurt more people.
Robert Evans
No, horrendous. We've seen stuff like that happen. The sections on left wing terrorism in this new strategy actually only make up a few paragraphs of this 16 page document. So what is the rest of this counterterrorism strategy really about then? The first priority is the, quote, neutralization of hemispheric terror threats by incapacitating cartel operations, unquote. The primary threat is the so called narco terrorists previously mentioned. And this term, narco terrorists, was invented in the 80s by the President of Peru to describe attacks on the police by drug traffickers. But since then, the term has come to mean a variety of things. In this new strategy, Trump doesn't just consider drug trafficking as a means to fund terrorist groups, but also implies that drug overdoses themselves constitute a form of terrorism. Right, quote. The borderless America created by the Biden administration was so badly exploited by threat actors that during one 12 month period, more Americans died as a result of illicit drugs flooded into the country by the cartels than all the US servicemen killed in combat since 1945, unquote.
Garrison Davis
Let's look at those numbers for cigarettes. Let's just add tobacco and let's just throw tobacco into the mix. See how that. Oh, does it dwarf every other drug related death toll combined? Yeah, it sure does.
Robert Evans
Obviously an absurd statement.
Garrison Davis
Yeah.
Robert Evans
But I think it is crucial to understanding how the administration is operating by understanding that they consider drug overdoses to be terrorism. And that's, that's a big part of, like, how they're able to do what they're currently doing is by weaponizing terrorism as a category. The strategy later considers illicit fentanyl and its core precursor chemicals to be weapons of mass destruction. Sure. Right. This is the same category of weapons as nuclear bombs. That, that is how they categorize it technically. Now, when the US Government uses the term terrorism, it's supposed to mean activities that involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or any state that appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, or to affect the conduct of the government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping. It's really that, that last, that last half that constitutes the terrorism part that separates terrorism from just any crime. It's the intent to intimidate or coerce civilian populations or influence the government. But the FBI defines international terrorism as, quote, violent criminal acts committed by individuals and or groups who are inspired by or associated with designated foreign terrorist organizations, unquote. So if you designate a group a foreign terrorist organization, that means that what they are doing is terrorism. And that last bit leads us to Trump's kind of core strategy to combat drug trafficking. Designating cartels and transnational gangs as foreign terrorist organizations, which will, quote, make available additional intelligence authorities and deny and disrupt their financial streams and access to the United States, unquote. After the designation, Trump authorized, quote, dozens of strikes by the Department of War against cartel drug boats, resulting in, in a more than 90% decrease in maritime drug smuggling into the United States, unquote. Citation needed. Yeah, we will get into the second priority of the counterterrorism strategy after these ad breaks.
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The worst?
Robert Smigel
Yeah.
Garrison Davis
Me.
Robert Smigel
Is there anything to the idea that because you're from Harvard, you only got in because your parents made a huge donation? The Yardbirds.
Robert Evans
Right? That's the name.
Robert Smigel
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Robert Evans
We're open.
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Jacob Kingston grew up in an isolated polygamous sect.
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We were God's chosen kingdom on earth.
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He felt destined for greatness. So when a swaggering Armenian businessman catapults Jacob into an extraordinary world, he doesn't look back.
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I'm Michelle McPhee, and this is one of the most shocking criminal conspiracies I've ever come across.
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When Jacob met Lavon, this went to a billion dollar fraud.
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You need to tell me what you know. Is somebody coming after me? Jacob told Lavon, you're ruining my life.
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Kear Gaines
Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way. With me, your host and your favorite therapist, Kear Gaines. And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking Trip Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing and we're still chasing it. And we don't know when we done enough. Because people, scoreboard wise, life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns. Dustin Ross. Cause you find it important to be a good person while you're here on Earth. Are you a good person because you're afraid? Cause that's two different intentions, bro. Absolutely. And that's two different levels of trust. I want you to just really be a good person. Join me, Kia Gaines, as we have real conversations about healing, growth, fatherhood, pressure and purpose on my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way. Open your free iHeartRadio app search learn the Hard Way and listen now.
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Life throws hurdles big and small. The question is, how do you conquer them? On Hurdle with Emily Abadi, we sit down with the most inspiring women in sports and wellness, professional athletes, coaches, and Olympic champions to talk about the challenges that shaped them and the mindset that keeps them going. From the WNBA standout Kate Martin and rising hockey star Layla Edwards. If a boy can do it, I don't see why a girl can't. Like, I've never understood that. Like, it didn't make sense in my brain.
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Robert Evans
All right, we are back for our last section here. Let's start by talking about the second priority of the counterterrorism strategy released last week. The second is the targeting and destruction of Islamist terror groups, especially Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula and isis. K. Trump's new strategy blames continuing jihadist plots against Americans, quote, in part because of the failed forever war policies, the empowerment of terror supporting regimes like Iran, and a past unwillingness to challenge Islamist ideologies head on, Unquote. So how's that going? How's. How's that going? I haven't. I haven't checked the news in about three. Three months. Robert, can you briefly fill me in?
Garrison Davis
Good. No problems.
Robert Evans
It's fine.
Garrison Davis
Everything's fine. Yeah.
Robert Evans
We solved the failed forever war policies.
Garrison Davis
We did. We did. No more forever wars. We've got a short war, but it's one of our shortest garrison.
Robert Evans
Iran is in no way empowered.
Garrison Davis
I can't tell you how short this war is at the moment. Incredibly short war.
Robert Evans
Iran isn't exercising economic influence over the whole world right now.
Garrison Davis
I know you think that this has all been a disaster, but I'm going to put on a graph how long World War II lasted. Next, how long this little adventure in Iran has lasted, and you tell me if it's a problem. Wow. One of those numbers is bigger than the other. Guess we're fine.
Robert Evans
It's wild. It's absolutely batshit that they have this in here.
Garrison Davis
Yeah.
Robert Evans
Like, yeah, it's so funny, it's insane. So the document talks about Islamist terrorism in Asia, Africa, the Middle east, and Europe for over four pages. It takes up a significant chunk of the strategy. These sections of the document largely mirror Trump's national security strategy from last year and talks about how, quote, unfettered mass migration in Europe has been the transmission belt for terrorists and discusses the need for, quote, honest conversations about Islamism and how hostile groups exploit open borders and related globalist ideals. The more these alien cultures grow and the longer current European policies persist, the more terrorism is guaranteed. As the birthplace of a Western culture and values, Europe must act now to halt its willful decline, unquote. Share one of the more explicitly fascist sections of this strategy. Trump's new CT strategy does discuss the integration of counter, cartel and counterterrorism efforts, saying it allows the U.S. to, quote, disrupt the shared networks, financing and logistical routes used by both designated drug traffickers and Islamist terrorists, unquote. The main success story of this strategy is the capture of Maduro, quote, the illegitimate leader of Venezuela, a cartel boss in league with terror sponsor Iran and its terror proxy Hezbollah, unquote. We've talked about this strategy for, like, 35 minutes, and you may have noticed that so far we've really just talked about identifying targets with very little discussion actually, on actual strategy on how to counter these threats. That's because the document has very little on actual strategy to counter these threats. It lays out three steps for countering terrorism. Identifying terror actors and plots before they happen, cutting off their arms, funding and recruiting streams, and ultimately destroy the established threat group. Methods for going about this are, quote, a series of similar high intensity but short campaigns against jihadist groups. Love to see that happen, as well as sanctions, shadow fleet, oil tanker interdiction, and covert operations to disrupt funding and state sponsorship of terrorism. That's it. That, that is. That is really the bulk of, like, the actual, like, strategy of how to do this.
Garrison Davis
Yeah. And that's the important thing to remember for all that's scary about this and for all, like, the people freaking out and not to say that there's nothing to be concerned about. This is the government saying this. They have a lot of ability to fuck with people. Certainly should be concerned about this. But at the same time, don't forget, they don't know what they're doing or have a real plan for most of what they're doing. No, like, this is hacked together, cobbled together and executed by people who don't know what they're doing and at least in one major case are drunk all the time.
Robert Evans
No. It's pretty stunning to compare this to the 2021 Biden one, which is very, very complicated in laying out actual strategy to dismantle domestic terrorist operations. And this just, this lacks a lot of, a lot of the same, like, strategic outlook. Lastly, the strategy outlines current functional aspects of the threat environment. That's, that's that, that's the term it uses. Functional aspects. These are like complicating factors. I'll go through these line by line. New and evolving collaboration between nation states and threat groups such as cartels. Alliances between established terror groups. Exploitation of new weapons like drones by cartels and jihadists. The remaining threat of terrorists acquiring and using nuclear, biological or chemical weapons, which President Trump has rightly labeled the single greatest threat to this world, unquote. All of this stuff is like Bush era terrorism. Stuff like this is all very outdated or not necessarily outdated, but like, it's not cutting edge, I guess. What is. What would be the more correct way of putting this? Like, you're just talking about drones now in 2026.
Garrison Davis
Yeah.
Robert Evans
But another one of these quote, unquote functional aspects is, quote, new and deepening alliances between the far left and Islamists, I. E. The red green alliance, unquote. This really just takes up a single line. They don't expound on this. I'm pretty sure this would relate to like pro Palestine protests. This relates to people on the far left either supporting Hamas or just generally being pro Palestine or anti Israel. That's what they're calling a red green alliance.
Garrison Davis
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Robert Evans
It's, it's just like a throwaway line. But I thought it's worth including just because of how odd it is. Like, it really stands out. It's at like the middle to end of the document way after they, they actually do their, like three paragraphs on left wing extremism. They just kind of throw that in there as a, as a new complicating factor.
Garrison Davis
Yeah, of course.
Robert Evans
So what does this all mean for the left? Almost nothing in here that pertains to left isn't already in national security. Presidential memorandum number seven. This new strategy does not designate trans people as a class, as terrorists, nor does it categorize trans people as Nihilistic violent extremists, like some have previously reported.
Garrison Davis
Yeah.
Robert Evans
It essentially states, like nspm7 that being extremely pro transgender can be a motivating factor in carrying out terroristic violence. And the only example provided is the assassination of Charlie Kirk, which we still don't have an illuminated motive for. Besides the suspect allegedly expressing frustration at Kirk for spreading vaguely defined hate, the strategy claims, quote, our counterterrorism powers will not be used to target our fellow Americans who simply disagree with us. We will not permit the weaponization of America's unparalleled counterterrorism capabilities for partisan purposes, unquote, despite clear political weaponization. And Gorka specifically, specifically mentioning that we're going to be countering ideology. Now, a way to kind of explain what's going on here. Like think about racially motivated or ethnically motivated violent extremism. All right, being racist isn't illegal, but if someone threatens to shoot up a black church because they are racist, then that qualifies as racially motivated violent extremism. The Trump administration is basically using the same MO against people with left wing, anarchist or anti fascist views to either stop crimes before they occur or crack down harder on people or groups who have committed crimes motivated by those ideologies. The Joint Terrorism Task Forces were already directed to investigate antifa aligned groups and individuals, quote, engaged in acts of political violence and intimidation. And that's been happening since at leave October of 2025. What's in this document is already been in effect for a while and we've already seen some of the results of this in the federal Prairieland trial last February, following the shooting of a cop outside an immigration detention facility in Texas last summer. The government in that case used the specter of antifa to link a group of defendants together and argue for ideological motive. And a federal jury convicted eight people of riot, conspiracy and material support to terrorists, even if each individual defendant did not commit an act of violence. Yeah, so there's cases like that and then there's also cases against the SPLC which while the government hasn't specifically said are part of their anti antifa investigations. You can see some similar through lines there.
Garrison Davis
Yeah, right.
Robert Evans
In a broad sense, that's how it relates to like current left wing activism. Right. The sort of threats and risk that has existed really ever since Trump took office, but especially after the antifa Terrorism Executive Order and National Security Presidential Memorandum Number seven are still in effect. That is still the same level of risk. This document doesn't introduce anything new. Now overall, what this strategy tries to do is connect all of the ideological targets of this administration. Right. Put them onto a map, intersecting each other. That's what it's doing with this Red Green alliance. So it's trying to connect all of these ideological targets while expounding on Trump's justification for mass deportations of suspected cartel members, military strikes on boats in the Western Hemisphere, regime change in Venezuela, and the ongoing war in the Middle East. That is really most of what the document is trying to do is, is actually build up the, the counterterrorism justification for all of Trump's military actions. And that's one thing that is, I guess, slightly frustrated me in people's discussion of this new strategy, that a lot of it's based on threats to left wing activists in the United States while not really focusing on the bulk of the document which is building the justification for Trump's murderous military actions around the world. Right. Actions that are blowing up people in boats, bombing schools in Iran, things that have like a sizable death count. And the sort of logistical and theoretical framework that Trump is building through, through this document does have really, really devastating, lethal consequences. And I guess that's what I wanted to focus on a little bit, a little bit more, rather than just the targeting of left wing extremists.
Garrison Davis
Yep. All right, well, fine. I guess we'll see what happens next.
Robert Evans
Yeah, I mean, we're going to see them continue to carry this out.
Garrison Davis
Yeah.
Robert Evans
Both domestically against left wing activists and overseas, including, like right now. Right. This is what they're doing in Iran. They're talking about Cuba. This strategy does not grant them any new powers, but it does give us a look into how they are thinking about regime change and the Don Row doctorate. Right?
Garrison Davis
Yeah. Jesus.
Robert Evans
It's all so dumb, this US Domination of the Western Hemisphere. And I think that's, that's really the, the core of what's driving this document is US Domination of the Western hemisphere rather than explicit political persecution of ideological left wing enemies, which is, of course still a factor and still a thing to be concerned about and monitoring and fighting back against.
Garrison Davis
Yep, absolutely. Well, all right, guys. And that does it for us today, huh?
Robert Evans
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Date: May 12, 2026
Hosts: Robert Evans, Garrison Davis (Cool Zone Media & iHeartPodcasts)
This episode dissects the recently released 2026 White House Counterterrorism Strategy spearheaded by President Donald Trump and adviser Sebastian Gorka. The hosts analyze the document’s framing and priorities, notably its elevation of left-wing violence as a top national threat while omitting or downplaying racially or ethnically motivated terror. The conversation contrasts this strategy with those of previous administrations, critiques its ideological underpinnings, and highlights real-world risks for activists and broader global implications.
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