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This week we're talking about one of the foundational cases in the world of ufology: Betty and Barney Hill, who had an unusual encounter with a UFO while driving through the mountains late at night in 1961. They arrived home late, unable to account for 2-3 hours of time during their drive. They later recovered memories of being taken aboard the craft by aliens who conducted medical tests. It's a foundational story that introduced the world to some common elements of abduction stories including missing time and grey aliens. It's also got lots of room to be skeptical, and we're going to dig into it. Resources Wikipedia: Barney & Betty Hill Incident Ben H. Swett: Betty & Barney Hill Testimony History.com: How Betty & Barney Hill’s Alien Abduction Story Defined the Genre Strange Arrivals podcast Repressed Memory Recovery: Useful Tool or Misleading Practice? Skeptoid: Betty & Barney Hill: The Original UFO Abduction Astronomy Magazine: Zeta Ridiculi Incident Jim Macdonald debunking David Halperin “ancestral trauma” theory

The Admiral Wilson Memo — aka, The Wilson-Davis Notes, The Core Secrets Memo, etc — is a document that records an alleged conversation between astrophysicist Dr. Eric Davis and Admiral Wilson, the recently retired director of the DIA. They discuss Wilson's attempts to locate a secret UFO program in the military, which he found, and was denied access to. The document is controversial to say the least, but the story is fascinating, and if it's true, reveals the existing of a secret crash retrieval and reverse engineering program! References: Complete Summary of Wilson Davis Memo ‘UFO leak of the century’ contained in 15-page document, historian says The Amazing Wilson-Davis Documents Stanford Prof. & US Navy Vet’s Claims Might Prove Wilson-Davis UFO Memo Is Authentic The Wilson-Davis Memo is Authentic

"Really? You wanna be the UFO guy?" Yeah, actually, I do! Because I think most people don't understand that since 2017 there has been a rapid increase in astonishing information about UFOs. From the 2017 New York Times article disclosing the existence of a secret Pentagon UFO program, to the release of confirmed Navy videos of UFOs, to Congress demanding an annual report about what the military knows about UFOs, to the recent proposal to grant immunity to UFO program whistleblowers — there's been a LOT! When I was growing up, UFOs were treated as a joke. News reports would include the X-Files theme, and anyone talking about the subject seriously would get teased about "little green men." But that seems to be changing. More and more, the topic is taken seriously. And the thing is, once you accept, as Congress and the Pentagon seem to have, that there are unidentified craft flying around the sky… what else is real? If it's true? It's a very exciting time! References: New York Times 2017: Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program New York Times 2019: ‘Wow, What Is That?’ Navy Pilots Report Unexplained Flying Objects Politico 2019: Senators get classified briefing on UFO sightings Politico 2020: Senators want the public to see the government's UFO reports New York Times 2020: No Longer in Shadows, Pentagon’s U.F.O. Unit Will Make Some Findings Public June 2021 ODNI: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Politico 2021: ‘This is urgent’: Bipartisan proposal for UFO office pushes new boundaries Politico 2022: Pentagon getting more UFO reports now that 'stigma has been reduced' War Zone 2022: UFO Whistleblowers Would Get Immunity Under New Amendment Motherboard 2022: Congress Admits UFOs Not ‘Man-Made,’ Says ‘Threats’ Increasing ‘Exponentially’