Closet Case Conservatives

Summary

I've Had It - "Closet Case Conservatives"
Release Date: September 30, 2025
Hosts: Jennifer Welch & Angie “Pumps” Sullivan

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Episode Overview

In this deeply candid and incisive episode, Jennifer and Angie unpack the infiltration of "patriot-branded" products, the rise of overt nationalism, cultural regression under MAGA politics, and the contradictions they see in contemporary conservative and religious circles. The conversation pivots around social dynamics in America today—touching on the weaponization of patriotism, legacy media’s failures, hypocrisy around LGBTQ+ issues, the hardships of modern marriage for women, and the lasting harms of gender roles.

Mixing humor and a strong, opinionated tone, Jennifer and Angie wrestle with the complexities and contradictions of American culture, politics, and social progress, drawing upon both personal stories and current data.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The "Patriot" Product Craze and Nationalism

• Angie’s Pet Peeve: “Patriot” Marketing

  • Angie expresses her annoyance with ubiquitous “patriot” branding on consumer goods (Patriot generators, Patriot tools):

    "I've just had it like, it's like Christian signaling, except it's the Patriot signaling." (01:18)

  • Jennifer argues this signals an empty, performative identity among certain Americans:

    “They have made being a Patriot their entire identity. You know, these people aren't watching film, reading literature, learning new things. Their entire identity is being American and promoting America.” (01:59)

  • Both agree this rise of overt patriotism, especially in “white pockets of America,” is tied to exclusion, anti-intellectualism, and misplaced nationalism.

• Patriotism as Décor

  • Angie jokes about how some treat flags as mere decoration:

    “People think they're decorating with the American flag.” (05:33)

2. Attacks on Education and Media

• Hyper-Nationalism & Media Failure
  • Jennifer points to the broader trend of media not calling out lies or the dismantling of democracy with appropriate urgency:

    “…we just walk into news and it's like we're presenting these fascists as though it's a mainstream idea. And it's such a insidious capitulation to the moment that we're in right now.…” (05:40)

  • Angie laments loss of trust and the normalization of “alternate facts”:

    “There are no alternate facts. You might have a disagreement about your opinion regarding the facts, but facts stay the same.” (07:12)

3. Conservative Identity, Voting, and Dehumanization

• On Conservative Voters & Priorities

  • Jennifer critiques fiscal policy-centric rationalizations for voting right-wing:

    “So you value money more than you do human beings.” (13:15)

  • Angie adds, “That's a great response because it's true.” (13:18)
  • Both recount the emotional turmoil of having loved ones who support anti-empathetic or regressive policies, relating it to broader patterns of dehumanization:

    “It is really, really tough. It's really disgusting that people are so streamlined with their cruelty and dehumanizing of other people. It really sickens me.” (13:41)

• The Mechanism and Pain of Dehumanization

  • Angie traces contemporary cruelty back to historical atrocities, connecting the dots to now:

    “When you dehumanize someone, it's easy to treat them as less than human…now I'm living it and I'm like, oh, I get it now.” (13:58–14:50)

  • Jennifer shares personal experiences navigating white spaces and refusing to co-sign racism:

    “…when you get to my presence, you're going to know that I know in a very civilized way. But I will not co-sign or go along with racist. I just don't have it in me.” (15:20)

• Changing History & Erasing Racism

  • Both discuss ongoing efforts to rewrite or erase history, e.g. the removal of painful Smithsonian images:

    “And to erase what happened is just another layer of dehumanization.” (19:16)

4. Patriarchy, Gender, and Hypocrisy

• Patriarchal Regression Post-Obama

  • Jennifer suggests the right’s backlash is rooted in white supremacy and resistance to progress post-Obama:

    “All of this stuff on the right...at the root of it goes back to white supremacy. They’re so mad that Barack Obama won two terms. And this is the...white lash from it.” (18:22)

• Women’s Rights & Double Standards

  • Both hosts challenge the anti-feminist rhetoric of the far right, questioning what kind of future mothers want for their children in light of movements to strip women of rights:

    “...is this a country you want for your sons? You want your sons to be like, mean to gay people and racist?...” (21:33)

  • They also discuss the disconnect between the expectation of “submission” for women and real-world financial security (prenups for daughters, etc.):

    “I think a lot of these white people that are supporting a lot of this shit are not playing the tape through well.” (22:47)

5. Internal Contradictions: Anti-LGBTQ Rhetoric & Secret Consumption

• Trans Porn Consumption in Conservative States

  • Jennifer highlights (with comedic glee) the newly-available data demonstrating red states lead the nation in consuming trans porn, exposing the hypocrisy of anti-LGBTQ rhetoric:

    “Republicans love transgender porn a lot. With more than 4.7 million transgender porn related searches each month...” (26:06)

  • Top states and cities are listed, including many in deep-red America (30:41–32:10).

• Self-Loathing and Church Influence

  • They link obsessive anti-LGBTQ rhetoric to self-loathing and powerful religious condemnation:

    “The data tells a tragic tale of self, self loathing closet cases. Republicans who privately get off sexually to trans folks while publicly trying to remove trans people's rights…” (26:12)
    “I absolutely think there is a direct correlation. And these people instead of just being free and who they are and being their best selves, just shame, self hatred. And that's why you've got all this down low porn shit going on. But I do. I think it's 100% related to the churches.” (34:42)

6. Straight Marriage, Gender Roles, and Emotional Labor

• Marriage & Gender Disparity

  • Jennifer introduces research showing straight marriage disadvantages women:

    “Relationships often function like one way life rafts, keeping men afloat while leaving women depleted.” (35:20)

  • Both share personal anecdotes about unequal emotional labor, reinforced by both society and religion:

    “The gender roles, they are very ingrained. That is how they are supposed to go. Women do the laundry, raise the kids, cook, clean, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah…But at the same time, get an education, have a career, but you do not see men…” (42:12)

  • They note younger generations are less tied to these old constructs, but the MAGA movement pushes back hard against even incremental progress.

• Generational Trauma & Male Emotional Stunting

  • A heartfelt story about Jennifer’s father’s Vietnam War trauma is used to illustrate the long-term damage of discouraging male vulnerability:

    “My dad fought in the Vietnam War...And he never really talked about it...He said, you know, and I never talked about it, and I never told anybody about it, and we just didn't do that. But it really affected me. It's really still affecting me.” (46:45–47:00)

  • Jennifer makes a broader point that men would be more empathetic if they were raised to understand and process emotions—potentially lessening the tendency to other or abuse minorities.

7. Empathy, Family Strife, and Change

• Evolving Empathy and Family Dynamics
  • Angie shares her journey from indifference to awakened empathy, and the sadness of realizing friends and family remain unmoved:

    “...that's why I think your story is so important. It's not that. It's not that they preached a certain way and changed. You've changed. You've done this amazing, amazing work.” (59:09)

  • Both discuss how the Trump era has exposed and intensified divisions, often fracturing families over moral, not merely political, lines:

    “It's really not a political issue now. We're talking about morals. Like, you think it's okay to send somebody to Alligator Alcatraz?...” (61:22)

  • Jennifer references the pain of seeing performative kindness in public, then solidarity with hatred in the voting booth:

    “It hurts me when I'm. When I see that somebody is capable of kindness to somebody's face and then goes to the voting booth and then consumes and salivates over Fox News where these people are dehumanized, and then they don't feel it like it. That really affects me.” (62:31)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On “Patriot” Products:
  “I've just had it like, it's like Christian signaling, except it's the Patriot signaling.”
  – Angie, 01:18

• On Overt Nationalism:
  “Their entire identity is being American and promoting America. And it feeds into this whole idea of American exceptionalism...”
  – Jennifer, 01:59

• On Dehumanization & Empathy:
  “When you dehumanize someone, it's easy to treat them as less than human...now I'm living it and I'm like, oh, I get it now.”
  – Angie, 13:58

• On Media Responsibility:
  “Facts are just what they are. They don't have two sides.”
  – Angie, 07:12

• On LGBTQ+ Hypocrisy:
  “Republicans secretly love what they publicly hate.”
  – Jennifer, 26:06

• On Gendered Emotional Labor:
  “Relationships often function like one way life rafts, keeping men afloat while leaving women depleted.”
  – Jennifer, 35:20

• On Change and Growth:
  “You've changed so much…you are a different person, a better person, an enlightened person…”
  – Jennifer to Angie, 59:09

• On Navigating Trauma:
  “He said that's just what we did. Yeah, but it's bothered me. I mean it's been...locked inside him. But I think it's been omnipresent all the time.”
  – Jennifer, recounting her father, 53:52

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:18] – Patriot product rant and critique of “patriot signaling”
• [03:11–04:07] – Hyper-patriotism and attacks on education and enlightenment
• [05:40–07:53] – Media’s failure to confront fascism and facts
• [13:15] – The “money over people” debate with fiscal conservatives
• [21:33] – Rhetoric toward women and “Make America Great” nostalgia
• [26:06–34:42] – Data reveals high conservative consumption of trans porn; closet hypocrisy
• [35:20] – The misery of straight marriage for women
• [46:45–48:39] – Jennifer’s dad and the legacy of suppressed male emotion
• [59:09] – Angie’s personal growth and the pain of separating from her past self and family

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Tone and Language Notes

Jennifer and Angie’s conversation blends sarcasm, exasperation, candor, and dark humor. They riff freely, often self-deprecating or poking fun at right-wing figures, and are comfortable getting “deep” when personal stories or larger social issues arise. Their language is direct and unfiltered, laden with conviction and emotional honesty.

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Summary

"Closet Case Conservatives" is a searing, funny, and emotionally honest look at the American culture war, in which Jennifer and Angie illuminate the hypocrisy, pain, and hope swirling through contemporary conservatism, using both biting wit and deeply personal stories. They challenge listeners to confront performative patriotism, fight back against dehumanization and regression, and embrace the discomfort necessary for real progress—whether at the kitchen table or in the voting booth.

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Transcript

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[Jennifer]

So are we supposed to start the podcast?

[Angie]

Ready? 1, 2, 3.

[Jennifer]

Patriots, gay trio, they trio, black trio, Brown Trio. And the people that don't support them can off. There you go, pumps. What have you had it with?

[Angie]

Okay, what I've had it with is products that are now Patriot products. They're Patriot generators, Patriot tools, Patriot clothing. I've just had it like, it's like Christian signaling, except it's the Patriot signaling. And we know a couple of them were like prepper type stuff like your Patriot generator, so that when you come to the end of the earth, you can do electricity. And I'm just like, it's so overused and I feel like it's been captured and denigrated to the point that it gives me the jeeps. So I've just had it with Patriot products.

[Jennifer]

That's a really good one. And that's just overt nationalism. It's this in void of culture in white pockets of America. They have made being a Patriot their entire identity. You know, these people aren't watching film, reading literature, learning new things. Their entire identity is being American and promoting America. And it feeds into this whole idea of American exceptionalism, which feeds into this idea among white Christians that value individuals over collectivism. And, you know, it's all of these things are social contracts, constructs, countries, borders, all of these things. So whenever I see anybody that's like a hyper, hyper, hyper nationalist, you know, they're a nut for sure.

[Angie]

You know, you know it because it's like, why was it have to be a Patriot product? Why can't it just be a generator?

[Jennifer]

Because it hits hard. I mean, you have 77 million people that vote for shit like that. Yeah, it's a big market.

[Angie]

It is a big market.

[Jennifer]

It's a huge, huge, huge market. And you see it like, I've seen more like patriotism, patriot coded, MAGA coded shit now than I ever have in my life.

[Angie]

I have too. And you know what's so interesting about it is while we're screaming to be patriots, we are cracking down on free speech as the government. We're talking about book banning, we're doing all, you know, we're sending the military into US Cities. None of that is in accordance with the Constitution.

[Jennifer]

But that's, that's lost on these people. I mean, it's like we arrive at these people whose whole identity is the American flag and have truck nuts and, you know, all these Trump flags on their trucks and 95,000 Trump signs in their yard. And then we expect them to understand what democracy is and the distinction between socialism and communism or to be able to define fascism. It's. We keep arriving at these people with an expectation that they're incapable of delivering upon. And so you see, the larger thing for me is you see the attack on education.

[Angie]

Yes.

[Jennifer]

You see the attack on enlightenment. You see the attack on the things that could really provide something for these people. The reason that right wing podcasting is so much bigger than left wing podcasting is because for right wingers, their whole identity is being an American and owning the lips. That's their full time hobby. For many of them that are retired or unemployed, it's their full time job. For left wingers or we have. I have a lot of different things that I like to do. I'm at my least happiest when I'm consuming a lot of news. Listen to this listener. I don't listen to podcasts. I listen to 00 podcasts and it's like, I don't watch interior design shows because what I do for work, I then don't want to turn around and go do at home. And so for me, like, I have to do this during the day, but then I have to get out of it. I have to get out of the bubble, go play tennis, go play pickleball, hang out with my kids, read a book, do other things that I'm interested in than just constantly being defined by politics or some narratives. But it's just the whole overt patriotism is such a turn off. And in the United States, especially in the Bible belts, these giant flags are so trashy. So trashy.

[Angie]

It's like decoration. People think they're decorating with the American flag.

[Jennifer]

Yeah, yeah.

[Angie]

All right.

[Jennifer]

I've had it with legacy media completely capitulating to fascism and approaching stories in the news with some expectation that this regime is somehow there's two sides to it. That we're not starting the story off by saying, you know, the President of the United States gave a press conference today and he lied 45 times in this press conference. That we're not starting off a story about speaker of the House Mike Johnson by saying speaker of the House Mike Johnson, third in line for the presidency, has abdicated all of his power to a fascist regime and a president that lied 45 times earlier this morning. That's the way this moment requires that it be reported. And instead we, we just walk into news and it's like we're presenting these fascists as though it's a, it's a mainstream idea. And it's such a insidious capitulation to the moment that we're in right now. And one of the arbiters that we had to help us sanitize this stuff was the media. And they have been attacked by this regime so much. Israel is killing journalists, killing them that are reporting on what's going on over there. And the death of the media reporting facts is just devastating.

[Angie]

It really is. Because I remember growing up, everybody watched like the five or six o' clock news, whatever it was, like that's where you got your information. And I remember trusting like whoever the anchor was and now you have people on the there that lie and nobody calls them out. And like you said, what drives me the craziest, and I've had it too, is acting like facts have two sides. Facts are just what they are. They don't have two sides. And everybody's alternate facts. There are no alternate facts. You might have a disagreement about your opinion regarding the facts, but facts stay the same.

[Jennifer]

Yeah, and, and it needs to be reported like especially when we deal with these alleged co equal branches of g government, this acceptance and not reporting on how Mike Johnson and the Supreme Court have completely bent over and are not with upholding the Constitution. Every journalist or writer behind the camera that doesn't report it, that so far the speaker of the House, Moses Mike Johnson. And I want to remind everybody that he claims that God wakes him up in the middle of the night and says, hey little guy, wake up. You're Moses, big guy. We need to remind the public that this is an emotionally unstable person that thinks he has conversations with God who will not disagree with the President ever, ever on anything. And this type of sycophancy is new and it also is the same thing with Trump when it comes to dictators. He will never disagree with them, ever. And that's new. And then you have the Supreme Court and the Congress completely abdicating their power to this fascist and it's just so dangerous. And I'm just so. There are good journalists out there and I'm sure some of you are probably listening right now. And I want you to know I see you and I see those articles come out and I know that you're fighting the good fight. I'm talking more and more about like the Washington Post owned by oligarchs and you know, CNN and even msnbc. Firing Matthew Dowd is just, it is just a really sad institution to go down because of the broken, insecure ego of a man who can't handle facts being reported about him that we are going to give up something that is so important for democracies to have for a broken like 90 year old man's ego. And he'll never be fixed. He's going to die. He was born broken. He's lived broken. And he will die broken.

[Angie]

Absolutely. And no amount of good media coverage is going to make it better.

[Jennifer]

No, it's only makes absolutely everything worse. I would say that it's enabling. All right, welcome to I've had It. I'm Jennifer.

[Angie]

I'm Angie. HBIC stands for beaver and bitch.

[Jennifer]

Kylie.

[Angie]

Hi.

[Reviewer]

I've got two reviews for you. This first one is five stars titled My White Aunties and Fave. Red Nurse writes, I love these women. I call them my white aunties. My Caucasian aunts have a new episode for us. Like I literally love them and I catch myself saying yes about 50 times each episode.

[Jennifer]

Keep it up, ladies.

[Angie]

Huge compliment. They are huge.

[Jennifer]

That is so lovely. And I think there is. I look for compliments in this podcast by not people that look as much like me, but by people who. People that look like me beat up on right. And people who look like me in pumps have always bullied. And I look for them to say, okay, we're breaking through here. We have white allies that look and sound like them and or straight allies that look and sound like them. I want to be defined by that and not by a bunch of rich white ladies thinking I'm fun and cute and neat. But I will say, I know some rich white ladies and I'm telling you they don't like their rights being taken away from them. And so we're doing our part to try to get our own dealt with. But it is an uphill Battle. And especially in suburban cities in America, there is exceptionalism and lack of empathy and a lot of upper middle class to upper class white culture. That is very disturbing.

[Angie]

Oh, it absolutely is. And don't forget judgmental, able to judge other people and think that they not only can, but should judge other people and their behavior.

[Jennifer]

Yeah.

[Reviewer]

Okay, I've got another five star review titled All Caps the best. And it's in all caps and it says good day to all Americans except the scum of the earth who don't listen to this podcast. These quote, people are attempting to eradicate humor and progressive thought. Parenthesis. But we think better. They will not defeat us true winners. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

[Jennifer]

The name badly McBatterson is so great. You know what's so crazy, you guys, I'll just. Is this is. This is hilarious. But like the President of the United States is, is that big of an imbecile, right?

[Angie]

Yes.

[Jennifer]

You know, and 77 million people voted for him because, I don't know, I guess they're just so scared of black people or gay people having rights or people having same or. I don't know what the take is on that. I know that some people be like, well, I just don't. You know, I just. Financially, it's the fiscal policy that I'm super into. You know, I think he's a nut. But I mean, the fiscal policy is what's really important to me. And to me, when somebody says that, I think we need to start collectively responding. So you value money more than you do human beings.

[Angie]

That's a great response because it's true.

[Jennifer]

We need to start saying that. So you value money more than you value other human beings. And some people will be smug enough to go, yeah, I do. When it's my money. And you can say, okay, we're not compatible.

[Angie]

Right.

[Jennifer]

Nice, nice to see you. I wish you the very best. We're just simply not compatible.

[Angie]

But I'm sorry I'm related to you. So I'll see you on Christmas in my case.

[Jennifer]

Yeah, that's tough. I mean, that is, that is really, really tough. It's really disgusting that people are so streamlined with their cruelty and dehumanizing of other people. It. It really sickens me.

[Angie]

I think the dehumanizing has. What is. What has surprised me the most Because I will tell you, when I first learned about World War II and it was just, you know, you're basic public school curriculum, I didn't dive deeply into it in upper school or anything like that. But I remember thinking maybe I was in ninth grade, I remember thinking, why didn't other people stand up for them? Why did the other people let it happen? And now I know, now I've researched enough and learned enough that when you dehumanize someone, it's easy to treat them as less than human, which. So it just sticks out to me, me thinking that then and now I'm living it and I'm like, oh, I get it now.

[Jennifer]

Yeah, it's. That's the part that I think is one of the more heartbreaking things about Trumpism is that, you know, especially in a red state like ours, you know, and you were far more in these circles than I was. But you know that you're with a group of people that genuinely do not care about the human rights of other people outside of their socioeconomic skin color group. And I, I have always felt that I've always been an outlier. Living in Oklahoma, I've always found myself in groups, particularly like when our sons played basketball and I had to go to the all white Christian school. I physically, when I drove on the property and walked into the buildings, I could feel it like there was. I had a physical reaction because I knew some of these parents and I knew the racist things that they had said when their kids played on a predominantly black basketball team. And I called them out. And I always try to make these people in a civilized way feel uncomfortable, to let them know, I am not going to co sign or be okay with your racism. You can do it in all your little white circles in your Bible study group, but when you get to my presence, you're going to know that I know in a very civilized way. But I will not co sign or go along with racist. I just don't have it in me. And I have conviction about this and I've always had conviction about this. And it's just interesting to me that so many people, and you know, I went viral about this before, but so many people have these boring white suburban, cookie cutter lives and the one thing that they get that adds color and flavor is some soul music or some rap music or some football or some basketball. And that's the one that group people, they still see this kind of ownership over that. You're just to entertain me. And this is. The NFL is like what they did to black women when they had a moment of silence for Charlie Kirk. When all of those elite athletes have black women as moms. And this, the disparaging things that Charlie Kirk said about black women don't deserve a moment of silence. If you want to have a moment of silence, have it for gun violence. What about the kids that were shot on the same day by a white supremacist in Colorado? What about all of the people who have fallen prey to gun violence? Why is this one propped up? And you're putting these black athletes in a situation where they have to have a moment of silence for a person. Charlie Kirk's on the record saying he wouldn't. He didn't want to watch NFL or NBA or anything anymore after blm.

[Angie]

He also said he believed that the Civil Rights act was a huge mistake.

[Jennifer]

Yeah, it's just. It really grosses me out. And it grosses me out that more white people do not. Are not on the right side of this. And they're very tepid about approaching it. And I'm just going to tell you guys, I have heard it. I have seen it. I'm in white circles, and white people excusing other people's racism is every bit as much the problem as the overt racism.

[Angie]

I would agree with that.

[Jennifer]

Yeah. Because it's. We're. None of us are ever going to get better until we start calling people out. People that have an affection for us. People you have an affection for and that you say, I'm very uncomfortable with your racism. I don't want it in my presence. I don't want it around my family. It is unacceptable to me to be around racists or racism because it's. It's a cancer that all of this stuff on the right, I think it, all the root of it goes back to white supremacy. They're so mad that Barack Obama won two terms. And this is the. This is the white lash from it.

[Angie]

It'd be hard to argue against that point with how they are going in and changing history, starting with the Smithsonian. Now it's gone into national parks. So that's absolutely what it is.

[Jennifer]

Well, there's a picture of a enslaved man at this Smithsonian. I saw it online and just had been severely abused and whipped. And I forget the name. I think it's maybe called scarred back or something. It was a photograph, a portrait taken of this man. And he's sitting there and he just had horrific wounds of abuse and his head turned. And, you know, I saw this. That Trump ordered that be removed from the Smithsonian. And to erase what happened is just another layer of dehumanization. And it goes against the progress that we want to make. And I think at the end of the day, we all have different visions of what we think makes the country better. For me, what makes the country better is equal opportunity. The stuff that I was told when I was being taught about America, that we're trying to form a more perfect union, that we're going to fight for civil rights, that we're going to try to eradicate the inherent injustices in the Justice Department, in the criminal court system. And I want to work towards that place. I want to work towards a place that the most marginalized can find comfort and solace in, the institutions that are supposed to protect them. And I guess their vision, a MAGA person's vision of America is everybody agrees on one leader and one religion. And I guess black people are the entertainers because that's every white person I know that's a racist. Sure as loves black people stuff.

[Angie]

Well, and also that white people are better than black people. Immigrants are only good as long as they serve white people. You, you know, when you think about make America great again, that's to the time where women couldn't have a credit card, couldn't have a bank account. There were no equal rights. I mean, that's what they want. They're not even shy about saying it. Pete Hegseth and his pastor don't want women to vote.

[Jennifer]

So I guess my thing is to all the white women out in America, like, is this a country you want for your sons? You want your sons to. To be like, mean to gay people and racist? Like, you want your daughters to be in a marriage that they have to submit to their husband? You know, Charlie Kirk said to Taylor Swift, she, Swift, she needs to submit to her husband, she needs to have kids and submit. And he can say that, free country, whatever. But my thing is for these parents out there that are Republican Christians and you have your daughter and let's say that you've made a shit ton of money and you leave your little daughter a trust fund that could choke a bull, and then she marries some guy and you think something's fishy about this guy? Are you going to demand that she have prenuptial agreement to protect the money that you earned that you left her? Are you going to tell her that she has to submit and give it all to her husband because the MAGA government wants the latter? I think a lot of these white people that are supporting a lot of this shit are not playing the tape through well.

[Angie]

They also think that it's not going to happen to them. That's, you know, you see that with the Latinos for Trump, they're super pro Trump because they didn't know, for whatever reason that they would, you know, their spouses would be deported. They do not think these policies will ever affect them.

[Jennifer]

And I just want to say this, like, there's all of this propaganda on the right right now. Like, they hate us, they are violent and they're talking about liberals and Democrats. Here's the thing, the Latino for Trump is a prime example that you can say, oh my God, you fuck around and you find out you can say that. At the end of the day, even these people that had the salsa dance rally for Trump and then the person who's up there singing, her husband and I think her nephew got deported and detained by ice and she's crying and she feels so betrayed. I still feel badly for them, absolutely. I still, like, I feel badly that their families are being torn apart. Part. My empathy doesn't just attach to the way you voted. It goes beyond that. To all of the right wingers out in rural America that have been lied to and propagandized and had their religion weaponized against them. I feel badly for them. The people I don't feel so badly for are white privileged Americans. That's where I get a little bit. Because you, you have everything. You have everything and you're still mad. You're still mad. Like, look at white upper class Americans that live in the suburbs of the United States of America. They got the President they wanted, they have the Congress they wanted, they have the Supreme Court they wanted. They live in an all white neighborhood. They get to have all the guns they want, they get to do whatever the fuck they want to. And they're still mad and they're still consuming hate propaganda. And I don't know how to fix that. I think there is something in that sect that is completely broken. The working class people in rural America that think Trump's their savior, that are clinging on, that have been pitched, the reason you can't have nice thing is because of these marginalized people. So they further marginalize these people with even people that are even further marginalized. I have empathy for all of them.

[Angie]

I do too.

[Jennifer]

But upper class white folk that triple Trump, I really don't. I don't know what, what they're so mad at. I don't know what they want. They got ev. They have everything they've ever wanted in a system that was designed for them to have everything they wanted. And they're still bitter and mad and angry.

[Angie]

Still not enough.

[Jennifer]

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[Angie]

I can't remember his first name, but.

[Jennifer]

It was North Carolina gubernatorial.

[Angie]

He was the sitting lieutenant governor, North Carolina gubernatorial candidate.

[Jennifer]

And Trump endorsed him. And it was revealed that he was a connoisseur of trans porn. And so Kylie put that List back up. And then we have Atlanta, Denver, Nashville, Sioux City, South Dakota, Kristi, Noems territory, Paducah, Minneapolis, Little Rock, Lexington, Kentucky, Bismarck, Amarillo, Lincoln, and number 13, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. So this is classic, classic Republicans, they, they have everything. These, the people, I was telling you, I don't have empathy for the people who have everything and they're still mad. The testament to somebody's true character is somebody who has everything and then fights for those that, that don't. That's how you can tell the character of somebody who they are when they put their head on their pillow at night. Are these people good people or not? Are they fighting for people to have the same opportunity as them or are they oppressors? And in this instance, you see all of these Republicans, they hate themselves and so they have to ruin the country, they have to ruin trans people. They're literally parading around on Twitter claiming that there are trans terror cells in the United States that were activated.

[Angie]

Well, when the MAGA shooter of Charlie Kirk was exposed, Trump immediately started talking about transgender people because he knows it's a hot button issue. But when you have politicians that sit there non stop and talking and degrading lgbtqia, QIA plus people, drag queens, trans people, you, I immediately know they're in the closet immediately. Because a normal straight person that doesn't give a shit isn't talking about it all the time. And it's all you hear on the right.

[Jennifer]

It's crazy. It's, it's so crazy. I, I, it's so horrible to live in a country right now where 77 million people are okay with people that aren't like them getting bullied by their government. Yeah, it's one thing when people talk shit on the Internet. You can choose not to get on the Internet anymore, you can choose not to get on a social media site, but when the government corporations start actively making your life harder, that's just, and, but here's, I'm remiss. It all starts with these churches.

[Angie]

Yeah, I was going to say I think a lot of it in these red states is because they're super religious.

[Jennifer]

Well, the churches have identified, yes, the gay people and trans people as inherently evil and sin. And it's a horrific path for these poor kids to try to navigate.

[Angie]

Absolutely. And I absolutely think there is a direct correlation. And these people instead of just being free and who they are and being their best selves, just shame, self hatred. And that's why you've got all this down low porn shit going on. But I do. I think it's 100% related to the churches.

[Jennifer]

Yeah, yeah, I definitely do. Okay, moving along. So that's what's going on with Republicans maga. They're watching a lot of trans porn, which we predicted. All right, next up is straight marriage. Okay. And it's how did straight marriage become so miserable for women? And for the first time in history, women don't need men for survival. We can own property, build careers, raise children and create communities without them. Which means the decision to partner is now a choice and not necessity. But even when we engage in this choice, women seem to be getting the short end of the stick. If you dig into the data, a striking paradox emerges. Married men show better health outcomes, lower rates of depression and longer lifespans than their unmarried counterparts. Married women, however, report higher stress, less freedom and greater dissatisfaction. What the hell is going on? Relationships often function like one way life rafts, keeping men afloat while leaving women depleted. What we've been taught to call intimacy, caretaking, appeasing over functioning is just co dependency.

[Angie]

Wow. Do you think that some of the backlash in the right wing is that women aren't as interested in getting married? They are not interested in giving up their career to submit to their husband. They are excelling in higher education, in they are getting higher paying jobs. Do you think that that's part of the backlash that we have with all this women shouldn't vote childless cat ladies rhetoric?

[Jennifer]

I think a lot of this is, is a, this is my own personal theory as atheist that was raised around all these Bible thumpers. The one thing that I see super religious parents and super religious people being focused on is sex. Like my peers growing up, the conversations about waiting until they were virgins, I mean waiting until they were married and they were going to remain a virgin until then. Of course they were the first ones that lost their virginity. But they, but I digress. So I think there's this inherent setup when you teach a species which from a Darwinian standpoint, we need to reproduce and it were genetically hardwired to do that. But you teach people to suppress something that they're hardwired to do. So you have men that end up hating women because the object of their desire, so you're told from age 0 to 25, sturdy, it's filthy. You can't think that way. Don't beat off, don't get a hard on. Lust, Satan, Demons, Beelzebub, 666. Right. I mean that's basically what's beat into them, you know, like their Whole lives. And then all of a sudden, they get hormones and they want to fuck.

[Angie]

Right?

[Jennifer]

It's like the most human thing on the planet. So then they fuck, and it feels really good. And then afterwards they're like, oh, my God, that was dirty. That was nasty. That was bad. And so I think a lot of these things are linked abortion. Why is that such an issue? Why is that something that. That is so private? Like, if somebody is raped or somebody is incest, all sorts of, you know, things that can lead them to that. I think this patriarchal system, that pregnancy identifies that woman as a slut. Like, okay, she's been marked. Like, she has to be punished for being so sexy to us. She can't just with impunity. She needs to, you know, it's a punitive thing. Taking abortion away is. I think that this. This whole thing about women finally getting liberated is that we're finding out that the emotional creature, the emotional gender out of the two of us are men.

[Angie]

Absolutely.

[Jennifer]

Men are far more emotional. And in my marriage, Josh is far more emotional than I am in your marriage, 100%. And so then how is all this linked? Trans people, abortion, women? It's all of these patriarchal structures that's also kind of. It's a very nuanced thing. And this is probably why liberalism and podcasting dies, because you have to think, you know, deeper and more critically in layers, but you have this layer of, you know, you can't have sex. You've got to be pure. Thinking about sex is naughty, dirty, la la la, Satan. Right? They do, though, you know, you were raised like that demon. And then. And then the abortion is a way to be punitive of it. And so then what's born in that is a lot of. Of sexual shame and secrecy. And here's the thing. Like, this is why I think that there's a lot of hatred towards, like, gay men and gay women, because they had to go through. They had to dig through all of this shame that was projected onto them. And now, like, gay men are able to. It's crazy. Like, they can get on Grindr and it's like, hi, how are you? They don't even do that. Want to meet up. How big's your dick? It's very transactional. Top, bottom, we're not a good fat and fit. And then they just go on to something else, and there's no shame involved in it. Where the. Our mating rituals are so wrought with shame and all of this biblical shit. I think, like, if we were to advance a thousand or two thousand years from now pumps. A lot of our problems that we are having right now are an offshoot of Christianity in religion, Abrahamic religions.

[Angie]

I completely agree. I think if you fast forward the tape, I mean, that's why all of this is going on. Women have to be kept in their place because the Bible says men are the head of the household.

[Jennifer]

And the same with Islam, you know, it's all these Abrahamic religions that are inherently patriarchal. And you have like, from a, a timeline standpoint, you have these people that are really clinging on to it and trying to keep it because a great way to control people. It's a great way to get. It's a great thing for white men.

[Angie]

It's absolutely the best thing for white men.

[Jennifer]

Yeah.

[Angie]

Okay, let me ask you this.

[Jennifer]

Did that make sense?

[Angie]

100%. Yeah. It's exactly what my experience was, the social contract construct around religion.

[Jennifer]

But let's talk about this. Okay, so I. This whole notion that marriage benefits men more than it benefits Women is been 100% my experience. And I love my husband, you guys, but there is no question he has been on the receiving end of our marriage and I have drawn the short end of the stick. Not always. I'm not a victim. I, you know, none of that. But it has required a lot more handling of his issues than it has of mine.

[Angie]

Agree. But one thing I was going to say about me growing up in a super religious family surrounded by super religious people, the gender roles, they are very ingrained. That is how they are supposed to go. Women do the laundry, raise the kids, cook, clean, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But at the same time, get an education, have a career, but you do not see men. And men are not. Like I remember, like my mom would say something about, like if I was going out of town on a girls trip, my mom would say, well, do you want me to watch the kids? I'm like, they have a dad. Their dad can watch them. But that was such a surprise to her because childcare and all that is women. So all the responsibility falls on women. Now women, and this is a religious thing as much as anything in my experience, because it's from the Bible. And then you go out into the workforce and you have all those additional responsibilities plus earning money, plus balancing a career, plus being, you know, getting an education. While men in my experience have been pigeonholed that as long as they're making money, they are required to do less around the house with the children. So that's one good thing about this younger generation is they're far less married to those old constructs of child rearing and all that.

[Jennifer]

No, I agree with that. But I want to get back to the essence of the article, which is that marriage is disproportionately benefit straight marriage is disproportionately benefiting the male. And the women are left with all of the data digging into it. It's not as beneficial.

[Angie]

I completely think that's right. I certainly know it wasn't my experience. And just looking at how I was raised, I can see why that happens.

[Jennifer]

Yeah. And then like, if you. If I think about my girlfriends, when I think about. There's one friend that I have where, I mean, she's a. She's a problem. She would. She would be a lot to be married to if I'm being really objective. But in general, it always feels like men, and I think a lot of people can relate to this in public. They have to. Society has put onto them. You have to be a tough guy. You have to be, you know, an alpha male. And then when you get in private, they're really pretty vulnerable creatures that have never been able to fully express themselves emotionally because it's been shunned.

[Angie]

Yeah.

[Jennifer]

And so then the woman has to absorb this emotionally stunted male who was told, don't feel that. That's not manly, that's not masculine. And they're still human beings. And so then they get in these marriages and you have this emotionally stunted male that you. You kind of have to raise some because society didn't allow this man to feel his emotions. And I can give you all an example about this. Like, my dad fought in the Vietnam War, like many, many men, his generation did. And he never really talked about it ever. He never talked about. We knew he went there, we knew he had like awards and stuff, but he's not one of these, you know, like loudspeakers about his service. Because that was just. Everybody did it, except for, of course, Kanks. Anyway, recently when our. A friend of my son's died, of my youngest sons, he. He tragically drowned. And it's just devastating. My son, of course, just so upset. They've been friends since they were three. It's just one of those earth shattering, earth shattering moments. And my dad was really worried about my son. I was really worried about. My son, was worried about all these kids. And my dad called me and I remember where I was. I was in front of the airport and my dad had. He was of that generation of boomer where you weren't allowed to really have emotions or talk about the stuff. You're a man. Buckle up, buttercup, Move on down the road. And so he said, how's Roman doing? I said, daddy's not doing good. I'm just so worried about him. He's so heartbroken. And it's just this thing is so tragic. It's very hard to comprehend. And my dad said, yeah, something like that happened to me. And I said, what happened? He said, when I was in Vietnam, one of my best friends, childhood friends, was with me, and we were actually in the same platoon or battalion, whatever it's called, and we were taking fire, and he got shot right in front of me.

[Angie]

Oh, my God. I didn't know this.

[Jennifer]

I didn't either until last year. And I was just like, oh, my God. He said, you know, and I never talked about it, and I never told anybody about it, and we just didn't do that. But it really affected me. It's really still affecting me. But my son experiencing the loss of one of his best friends triggered my dad. And I'm 51 years old, and that was the most real moment I'd ever had with my dad. And it was a rendo for me to see. You know, what could sometimes seem aloof or detached in him was somebody really suffering with PTSD in a system that doesn't enable men to embrace their emotions. Because if he would have done that, that generation, then that's, oh, what a wuss, right? What a sissy. And so I share that because I think a lot of us have had parents that. And my dad's a wonderful father. He's a great grandfather. Every. Every family has dysfunction. Every family has their. Their issues. I share that because I think a lot of us have this idea of. Of gender, particularly around masculinity that they're trying to resurrect.

[Angie]

Yes.

[Jennifer]

And I think men are better served when they're allowed and taught to feel their emotions. And I think if they can be more in touch with their emotions, then they can be more in touch with other people's emotions. For example, maybe a gay person or a trans person that's getting bullied. If you've been encouraged and taught to feel your emotions and not had them dismissed, and you've really been in a therapeutic setting in the home or with a therapist, then you're probably more likely to feel empathy.

[Angie]

I completely agree with that. I completely agree with that. And. And I think, like you said, it's so gender specific. Men aren't supposed to feel. Men aren't Supposed to cry.

[Jennifer]

And I feel like maga's resurrecting. They are the broken man.

[Angie]

They absolutely are.

[Jennifer]

The man where women walk away from a marriage and they don't feel benefited. And then, like, you and I have these, you know, nephews. My nephews are her nephews, too, because that's how long we've been friends. And my nephews are now having babies. And the participation of both genders. Yes. Of raising the kids. How equally divided it is. And the conversations. They're millennials. The conversations they have about their feelings. It's progress.

[Angie]

It's absolutely progress. And I don't think there's. I mean, I don't think it's a mystery why both of those men are sensitive, caring, and they want good for other people. I mean, I just don't think that's a coincidence.

[Jennifer]

Yeah. And they picked women. Their spouses shout out to Lauren and Madison. They picked women that, you know, embrace their Whatever. Wherever my nephews came from. Because everybody comes from their own version of brokenness. Yeah. And where the. These things are talked about. And I think that so much of all of this stuff that we've gone to is everybody just has been told to play a certain role.

[Angie]

Yes.

[Jennifer]

And I feel like right now we were on the verge of kind of really starting to see progress in pockets of places. And I feel like the MAGA movement, pumps is just making everything worse. Like, even men, the progress they were making, you know, now they're bullying trans people while beating off to trans porn.

[Angie]

I know. It's just like wwe.

[Jennifer]

It is. It is wwe.

[Angie]

They want men to be like Stone cold Steve Austin. It's just bizarre to me.

[Jennifer]

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[Angie]

Well and he's probably the thing about emotions like that and trauma like that is it, it does manifest itself in some way. So you know him just now talking about it doesn't mean he hasn't felt it or it hasn't impacted how he has made decisions and things of that nature.

[Jennifer]

He said, he said to me, I said oh my God dad, I'm so sorry that you've kept that in for so long. And he said that's just what we did. Yeah, but it's bothered me. I mean it's been, it's, it's been locked inside him. But I think it's been omnipresent all the time. And you know, whereas when Roman's friend passed, fortunately for me, I was able to send him to a therapist. He went to therapy, you know, two and three times a week and I encouraged him feel your feelings. And I'd go Up to his room and he would be sitting on the bed, just. Just crying. And I never said, don't cry, don't feel it. I was just like, I'm so sorry. This is a part of the grieving process. Like, I embraced that. This is a part of the human experience. To grieve somebody, you have to feel everything and everybody's own journey, and that is different. But generations prior to Roman, like my dad's, weren't afforded that avenue. That wasn't a way to go. And then you have all of these veterans that have all of these issues. Ptsd, mental issues. Homelessness.

[Angie]

Homelessness.

[Jennifer]

All the homeless people that. Medical issues. Yeah. That the Fox News hosts say that we should euthanize. A lot of these people are veterans that their country, you know, sent them over and they saw some bad and they have ptsd and it. It's just not so all black and white. Oh, this is something. I saw this thing pumps.

[Angie]

What is it?

[Jennifer]

Kevin Stitt, the governor.

[Angie]

Oh, my gosh. I saw it too. People were sending it to me just like, what a.

[Jennifer]

All right, listener. We have a. A governor of our state, Oklahoma. His name's Kevin Stitt. He's this big disgusting Bible thumper. And I say that because he leads with his religion all the time. He's the one that has to talk about it all the time. Like, I have no idea what Gavin Newsom's religion is because I've never heard him talk about it. But Kevin Stitt talks about his religion non stop. So there's some people talking about homelessness in Oklahoma City. And Kevin Stitt refers to these people that want to help homeless people as.

[Angie]

Goody two shoe, Do Gooders.

[Jennifer]

Do Gooders or Goody two Shoes. Like, very dismissive. And that's the part where we have to, like, you know, like, there's something broken in him. Kevin Stitt is a broken man who weaponizes his religion to help billionaires. And then meanwhile, when rubber hits the road, he demonizes people that want to help the poor.

[Angie]

Absolutely.

[Jennifer]

The most antichrist politician in the state is Kevin Stitt. I will just say he's a walking advertisement. Why not to be a Christian By Kevin Stitt.

[Angie]

Yeah, he is. Yeah, I absolutely agree. And I just. The lack of empathy from Christians that I love that are close to me, when you press them and you realize there is no empathy there, that hurts me more than any of it. I think that what you preached your whole life and what you said Jesus stood for, now you're the opposite. And you think you're right, that like, you have no empathy and you don't care and in fact you kind of dig it. You kind of dig demeaning people.

[Jennifer]

But don't you think that's the lie that you're kind of telling yourself that they preached for it their whole lives? Because you look at what this white national and Christian, white nationalist Christianity is. It's an extension of the form of white churches that enabled KKK type stuff. And when you grow up in a racist home, and that is the underlying theme of it, while at the same time they pepper in, oh, Jesus is about forgiveness and Jesus is about goodness. You're just living cognitive dissonance all at one time. And so maybe pumps, it's not that it's just been revealed to you that she has no empathy, but you yourself have now found empathy and you no longer belong in the cognitive dissonance world of that. She hasn't changed, but you have.

[Angie]

That could be right. Because I will be the first to admit the cognitive dissonance that I had was off the charts. If you were going to scale it 1 to 100, I was 7 million.

[Jennifer]

You've changed so much. That listener, like I would say, would talk to pumps about health care and she would look at me as cold and calloused as you could ever be. Just like a MAGA person. She'd say, as long as I have health care, I really don't give a shit if other people have it or not.

[Angie]

Yeah, very, very.

[Jennifer]

I would talk about racial issues, gay issues. If it didn't affect her, she didn't care. And so that's why I think your story is so important. It's not that. It's not that they preached a certain way and changed. You've changed. You've done this amazing, amazing work. And now you find yourself back with these people that you love and that love you. But you're a different person, a better person, an enlightened person, and you're like, oh fuck, they're racist MAGA people. Oh, shit, I can't unsee this. And that's. I think that's happening all over the country.

[Angie]

It is.

[Jennifer]

I don't think it's happening to you in a vacuum.

[Angie]

I get dms about, about it all the time.

[Jennifer]

But the thing that's changed is you. You're a different person than the girl I met that was teaching Bible study and didn't care about marginalized people. Now you're their biggest champion and it's beautiful.

[Angie]

Well, I appreciate that. And you're probably right about that at the end of the day, it's not them that's changed. That's me in my idealized version.

[Jennifer]

Yeah. And that's painful and I hate that for you. But the thing that's changed is you. I've known her the whole time. There's been zero change. I've absorbed it the exact same way across the board. You're the one who's experiencing what I experienced the very first meeting for the first time. And listen, it's really like this is a sad part of America for like international listeners like this Trump. It's not just that he's tearing like communities up. Like there's, it's families. It, it's, he's exposed the worst part of people. And then in many ways, you know, he's been an impetus for people to like, really find a lot more empathy because he's so void of it. Right. You know, the reaction is, oh my God. But it's really, I feel we get DMs and emails and voice memos out the wazoo of people like pumps that have these crazy maga. Family people.

[Angie]

Yeah. I mean, that is where we are as a country, as families. And you wouldn't, you wouldn't think that, you know, when you say who you voted for president wouldn't tear up a family. Like, I've disagreed with who my parents voted for before. Oh, yeah, but this is so different because it is so devoid of empathy, it is so racial, it is so homophobic, it is so regressive that it's like, it's really not a political issue now. We're talking about morals. Like, you think it's okay to send somebody to Alligator Alcatraz? You're all up for that? Who the fuck are you? It hurts.

[Jennifer]

It hurts. It hurts. That's the part. Like, it hurts for an idol. Fortunately, my parents are really progressive, but it would. When I have friends that I know, like there's some women that I know that we play pickleball with these lesbians that are married, that are darling, that are kind, that are nice, that sadly in, in Oklahoma, they feel like they kind of have to ungay themselves a little bit to be accepted by their heterosexual, upper class, white female friends. And when I see them like embrace. Hi. Hi. It's nice to see you. I don't play with them anymore. I haven't been able to since the last election. But I would see them embrace these lesbians who make my life better. I don't give a, you know, if they're lesbian or not. Actually makes me like them more because I know it was harder. Their path to be a good person was much harder than the white woman that judges them. So I. It hurts me when I'm. When I see that somebody is capable of kindness to somebody's face and then goes to the voting booth and then consumes and salivates over Fox News where these people are dehumanized, and then they don't feel it like it. That really. That really affects me. And so it makes me. I'm such a nut about my conviction that it makes me like, then I'm gonna fight harder, you know? And. And. And you can still play pickleball with them, you lesbians. But I'm not playing pickleball with them. You're not strong enough to draw the boundary, but I'm gonna draw the boundary because they're gonna feel it from somebody. It might as well be this white privileged woman. And that's how I feel about it. And there's a couple people that to this day said racist when our kids were on that basketball team. When they pass me the death stare that I give them.

[Angie]

I've seen it.

[Jennifer]

It is undeniable that I know you say racist about little black kids, and I will never forget it. So don't come up to me and pretend that you can be friendly. And then I'm going to pick up the rug like a lot of white people do and sweep it under and roll it back out, because this is not doing that. I'm not doing it. Pumps. It makes me feel like I need to be meaner. Kind of does, you know?

[Angie]

Yeah, kind of does.

[Jennifer]

All right, well, we didn't even do anything fun this episode, did we?

[Angie]

No. It's kind of got deep. We didn't know this was going to happen.

[Jennifer]

You know what? Sometimes we need to.

[Angie]

Sometimes we need therapy because it's crazy out there.

[Jennifer]

Sometimes we need to talk about. Sometimes we need to talk about. Everybody's going through a lot. Everybody is going through a lot. Everybody comes to this podcast for some form of respite. But sometimes the break is a reminder that we're all feeling this trauma together.

[Angie]

Yeah.

[Jennifer]

And we all are feeling this fear together. We're all seeing the same thing together. We're not crazy. And then we're capable of feeling compound emotions.

[Angie]

Yeah. You know, that's one thing. Growing up in a super religious house, I really didn't know that that was allowed.

[Jennifer]

I remember. I remember when your marriage was unraveling.

[Angie]

I just couldn't do you.

[Jennifer]

I. I remember you having so tortured by picking just one emotion in a moment. Yes. And I remember we were sitting on my front porch smoking Marlboro Lights. And I remember specific, specifically telling you you can hate your husband while at the same time still feel deep love and a familial bond for him. You can have both of those feelings at the same time. And you were like, what? What? Yeah.

[Angie]

Yeah.

[Jennifer]

I mean, you just couldn't believe it. Like, that you could actually feel two conflicting things at one time.

[Angie]

Yeah, I was. Here's the deal. Not the sharpest tool in the shed you are now. But I'm trying.

[Jennifer]

Well, you know what? You were always smart. You went to law school and all that. You were just discouraged.

[Angie]

Critical thinking when my ballywag.

[Jennifer]

Yeah, I was discouraged.

[Angie]

All right. So thank you for being with this episode. Will be a lot more fun next time.

[Jennifer]

No, the book.

[Angie]

Oh, talk about fun in the sun, fun in the fall. Rake leaves and read life as a lazy Susan of shit sandwiches. Look at our Price is Right model.

[Jennifer]

It's the hottest book, the coolest book of the fall. It was the hottest book of the summer. And it's going to be the most freezing book of the winter. And everybody's buying it. Everybody's reading it. Everybody said something.

[Angie]

It's the best book in the whole world. Everybody says it.

[Jennifer]

Everybody does.

[Angie]

All right, we will see you next Tuesday and Thursday.

[Jennifer]

I'll tell you what I've had it with. I've had it with that. Listen up, patriots, gatriots and Matriots. We have a new podcast that has dropped. It's called I Hip News. It's Monday through Friday. Every day, 15 to 20 minute hot takes on the political landscape of the United States of America. Always served with a side of petty grievances.

[Angie]

We are on all the available platforms. Apple, Spotify, Google, whatever you get your podcast and YouTube.

[Jennifer]

Please go, rate, subscribe and review so that we will chart upwards with America's greatest legal mind. Pumps, Pumps. What does an eagle say? Cacao. A little bit more enthusiasm.

[Angie]

Caca.

[Jennifer]

That's it.

[Angie]

That's.

[Jennifer]

That's caca. That's the patriotism that this country needs right there.