Pearl-Clutching Beta Males

Summary

Summary of "Pearl-Clutching Beta Males" Episode of "I've Had It" Podcast

Introduction to Episode's Theme

In the "Pearl-Clutching Beta Males" episode of "I've Had It," hosts Jennifer Welch and Angie “Pumps” Sullivan dive deep into various societal frustrations with a comedic twist. From relentless retail tactics to profound discussions on political and social issues, the episode encapsulates the hosts' candid take on modern-day annoyances and systemic problems.

1. The Struggle Against Retailers' Reward Programs

Jennifer and Angie kick off the conversation by expressing their exasperation with retailers' aggressive push for loyalty programs. Sophia shares her frustration with being incessantly asked to join rewards programs during checkout, leading her to declare, "I have had it with when you are checking out at a store and they say, do you want to be a part of our rewards? No, I don't" (02:31).

Angie adds her perspective, highlighting the invasive nature of these programs: "I don't want to exchange information. If I go to your website, I don't want to have any part of our continued relationship beyond this sale" (02:31). The hosts agree that such tactics represent "forced friendship" and "forced capitalism," underscoring the desperation retailers exhibit in retaining customer engagement.

2. Deodorant Dilemmas in Airports

Transitioning to personal anecdotes, Angie recounts an unpleasant experience in the Newark airport TSA line, where a family neglecting deodorant use caused her significant discomfort: "The whole family was deodorant free. The whole family stunk to high heaven" (02:31). She humorously suggests implementing "armpit sniffers" at airport entrances to prevent such odor issues, emphasizing the need for public hygiene in shared spaces.

3. Accidental Sexting Miscommunications

A lighter yet awkward moment occurs when Sophia unintentionally sends a sexually suggestive text to producer Kylie, mistaking the conversation's intent: "I was listening to a podcast about what I thought was emotional intimacy. Turns out it was about sexual intimacy" (11:14). This mishap leads to a humorous exchange about accidental sexting, showcasing the hosts' ability to find humor in embarrassing situations.

4. Nature's Solution: Beavers Saving Millions

The hosts highlight an inspiring story about beavers naturally constructing a dam that prevented contaminated water from spreading, thereby saving the government approximately $1.2 million: "A group of beavers built a dam that successfully blocked contaminated water from spreading downstream. The government had been planning a multimillion-dollar engineering project" (17:07). This narrative underscores the ingenuity of nature as a cost-effective alternative to human-engineered solutions.

5. Social Media, Workouts, and Narcissism

Discussing modern social media behavior, Angie references a study linking excessive workout postings to narcissistic traits: "Researchers analyze behavior patterns and motivations behind fitness-related posts. While sharing progress can inspire others, excessive posting is often linked to validation seeking and self-image obsession" (18:53). Sophia concurs, recalling incidents where individuals' obsessive sharing mirrored narcissistic tendencies long before the podcast's inception.

6. Political Rants Against MAGA Supporters

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to critiquing MAGA supporters. Angie and Kylie express strong disdain for the behavior and attitudes of this group, labeling them as "cowards" and "pussy pussies." Kylie laments, "They have this insane idea that they're the only patriots, that they're the only real Americans," (25:21) while Angie emphasizes the destructive nature of their actions: "They totally are. I mean, I talk about this all the time and I feel like MAGA has just like mainstream" (26:21).

7. The Dark Side of Religious Institutions: Sexual Abuse

Delving into more serious territory, the hosts shed light on the rampant sexual abuse within religious institutions, particularly the Catholic Church. Kylie discusses the systemic issue: "These churches have paid out hundreds of millions of dollars from the Nazarenes to the Southern Baptists to the Mormons to the Catholics, and on and on and on" (56:19). Angie shares a personal connection through her husband, a criminal defense attorney, highlighting how prevalent abuse in churches is compared to other sectors.

Sophia and Kylie delve into the linguistic aspects that obscure the severity of such abuses, advocating for precise language to protect victims: "These are the language I want to be corrected on. This is the language that I think helps protect victims of sexual abuse" (47:34).

8. Empowering the LGBTQIA Community

The conversation also touches on the importance of supporting the LGBTQIA community, especially in hostile environments like rural Oklahoma. Angie recounts their podcast tour's positive impact, where they met young queer individuals who found solace and empowerment through their candid discussions: "These young queer trans kids that drove three or four miles, I mean three or four hours in rural America to get to the city... saying, I never thought two 50-year-old women would champion for my community so much" (72:21).

Kylie emphasizes the significance of not having to "come out," advocating for a society where one's identity is accepted without the need for declaration: "The idea that people have to come out is inherently problematic... freedom begets freedom" (70:24).

9. The Role of Language in Social Discourse

A recurring theme is the power of language in shaping social narratives. Angie and Kylie stress the importance of using precise terms when discussing sensitive issues, such as replacing "child porn" with "photographs of sexual abuse of a child" to better protect victims and stigmatize abusers: "These are the corrections when you're talking about people who have been egregiously and savagely victimized" (47:16).

10. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Wrapping up the episode, the hosts reinforce their commitment to fighting against societal injustices and uplifting marginalized communities. They advocate for active participation in political and social change, emphasizing that collective action is essential to overcoming systemic challenges. The episode concludes on a hopeful note, celebrating alliances and the power of community support in fostering a more inclusive and just society.

Notable Quotes:

• Sophia: "I have had it with when you are checking out at a store and they say, do you want to be a part of our rewards? No, I don't." (02:31)

• Angie: "I don't want to exchange information. If I go to your website, I don't want to have any part of our continued relationship beyond this sale." (02:31)

• Kylie: "They have this insane idea that they're the only patriots, that they're the only real Americans." (25:21)

• Angie: "They totally are. I mean, I talk about this all the time and I feel like MAGA has just like mainstream." (26:21)

• Kylie: "These churches have paid out hundreds of millions of dollars...and on and on and on." (56:19)

• Sophia: "The idea that people have to come out is inherently problematic... freedom begets freedom." (70:24)

• Angie: "These are the language I want to be corrected on. This is the language that I think helps protect victims of sexual abuse." (47:34)

This episode of "I've Had It" masterfully blends humor with serious discourse, offering listeners both laughs and thoughtful insights into pressing societal issues. Jennifer, Angie, Sophia, and Kylie create a dynamic conversation that not only vents frustrations but also encourages proactive engagement in creating positive change.

Transcript

[Jennifer]

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[Angie]

So we're supposed to start the podcast.

[Sophia]

Ready? One, two, three.

[Angie]

Patriots. Gay Triots. Theatriots. Black Triots. Brown Trio. I like that.

[Sophia]

That's like a fading.

[Angie]

Yes, that was like a. It was very impressive. Yeah, well, and pretty talented at your advanced stage to knock that out like that. It's kind of something like the kids would do. It's very youthful.

[Sophia]

Well, I'm very youthful. Very youthful for, as my children would say, someone that's almost 60.

[Angie]

Very, very youthful. Pumps. What have you had it with?

[Sophia]

Okay, what I've had it with is when you are checking out at a store and they say, do you want to be a part of our rewards? No, I don't. Well, you can save 15%. No, I still don't want to. Well, are you sure? Because the next thing you buy and I'm just like, shut the fuck up. I don't want it. And I am going to brag on you. We were in New York. You gave a master class on this. And this has happened to me twice since then and I haven't done it. Do you want the rewards? And you said, no, because I don't want all the emails and follow up texts that come with me. Being a member of the rewards, you just, you shut it down right there immediately. So the next time I go into this place and they start arguing with me about how great these rewards are going to be, I'm just going to say paying the extra $2, it's worth it to me not to have any more interaction about it ever again. But they just, they won't, they won't leave you alone about the rewards.

[Angie]

No, it's. It's something that I Have I had a discussion with myself about after being harassed and terrorized for years by various retailers in my inbox, on my cell phone, sometimes they'd even call me and I just thought, I'm not doing this anymore. I don't want to be any part of this club. I don't want this much communication with you. If I want to go into your store, I make the decision. I walk in, I buy it. I don't want to exchange information. If I go to your website, I don't want to have any part of us having a continued relationship beyond this sale. I want it to end at this purchase. And if I decide I want to purchase something in the future, I want it to be my idea, right? I don't want you to email me and go, hey, we got this, we think you might like this, or hey, you got this many points. I don't want any part of that. It is forced friendship. It is forced capitalism. It reeks of desperation on behalf of the retailer. Maybe they should be friends with each other, right? And harass each other and quit harassing us. This is capitalism on steroids. It's an invasion of my privacy. I feel like lately I have felt so guarded about my inbox that I received recently an email from an individual that was a legit individual that wanted to just give me something. Tickets to some, to an event, okay? He emails me, hey, it was nice seeing you at the such and such event. I realized that you live here. I'm hosting this event. I'd like to offer you two complimentary tickets. I didn't recognize the guy's name in the email, responded wrong. Jennifer said, about an hour later, I realize, oh, I think this person was trying to do something nice, right? It's not a scam, it's not a corporation. And I was a total bitch. So I had to creep back into my inbox. I'm like, dear John Doe, I'm so sorry. I'm very protective of my inbox because of years of abuse, right, inflicted upon me by these large retailers. I apologize. Thank you for the tickets. Greatly appreciated. I mean, just wanted to die. But I'll tell you what, I'd rather send a couple of bad emails, right, and then tuck my tail between my legs and go for a full throated apology later than receive the nonstop inbox terrorism from these people that are so desperate to be friends with me.

[Sophia]

Yeah, and here's the deal. They get you in, oh, you're going to get all these rewards and stuff. And it's like there's so much work to earn the rewards. I'm like, why am I doing this? Like, I just. I've had it.

[Angie]

Well, it's not even that it's so much work. It's that you have to agree to be abused.

[Kylie]

Right.

[Sophia]

You have to agree to a ongoing relationship with this third party.

[Kylie]

Yeah.

[Sophia]

No, I agree. So I'm glad you have the same grievance.

[Angie]

Yes. Okay. I have a. Everybody knows I just returned from vacation with my family, and I'm just going to tell you something that I've had it with, and I think we've discussed it before, but I'm going to resurrect it. If you're in an airport, you need to wear deodorant 100%. You need to make sure you maybe do a couple of extra swipes if you're going to be traveling all day. I was in the Newark airport in New Jersey, and we were in the TSA line where it's snakes, right. So the people that it. That were always parallel with me, and there was a family of about three to four and the whole family was deodorant free. The whole family stunk to high heaven. So much so that I started gagging. And I don't. I'm typically not the person that has the gag reflex. I'm a big girl. I can push through anything. It was so vile. It was so obscene. It was so bad that I believe that something. Since this horrible administration wants to control people's sex lives, thoughts, thoughts, et cetera, et cetera. Since y' all are so into control, maybe get armpit sniffers at the entry door of all airports. I would even for a day, I would even volunteer so that the rest of my life, I knew that everybody flying on the plane was bo free because that's how bad this was. I think you have to walk into the airport, raise your arm, you have somebody go right in. And if you don't pass the sniff test back home, you cannot get on this airplane.

[Sophia]

Do you think these people just, like they were anti deodorant because of chemicals or they just stunk?

[Angie]

You know, I. I thought about all the different things that were probably going on. You know, as a. Clearly, there was a lot of nose blind issues going on, but it was. And it wasn't just me and my family. I mean, as you'd look around, it was so foul, it was so unbelievable. I didn't know that a person could produce that level of stink. I didn't know it was possible for human being to stink that Badly. And I just think in the year 2025, after Jesus's birth, Jesus Christ is the one I'm talking about. That's just unacceptable.

[Sophia]

It's just unacceptable.

[Kylie]

Like, if you don't want to wear.

[Sophia]

Deodorant because you think it's bad for you, that's fine. But you have to do it in your own home. When you're around other people in public. You have an airport where deodorant.

[Angie]

And then what's going on on the plane. What do you do if you sit down on an airplane and you've got some stinky ass person that hasn't worn deodorant and God knows how long. God knows. At last time they bathe and you're sitting next to them. I mean, is there, can the plane. Can, can you, can the, can you get the person kicked off the plane?

[Sophia]

I don't know.

[Angie]

Discrimination. Is that scent discrimination? Because I'm for it.

[Kylie]

I'm for it too, because it's just not.

[Sophia]

It's just not.

[Angie]

It's a part of the social contract.

[Sophia]

Right. You shouldn't stink around other people. You should brush your teeth before you talk to someone. Like, these are. These are not difficult tasks. But I have noticed Emily, we were in the airport and she. There was a couple that was behind her, or she was walking behind him and she turned around, she goes, oh, my gosh, they stink so bad. I'm gagging. She's like, get up here and smell it. And I was like, no, I'm not doing it.

[Kylie]

But why?

[Sophia]

I just don't understand. When you leave the house, you need to make sure you don't stink.

[Angie]

And I think what's further problematic is they're clearly around a lot of enablers. Because I can assure you that if you walked into this studio and you stunk the way they. They did, I would say, pumps, you reek. You've got to go home and exfoliate your pits, get out of the shower, clean off, and then get back in and do the whole thing over again about 10 times, then put on about four rounds of deodorant and then you can come back up here because it's just. It's not being a good friend.

[Sophia]

That's what I was gonna say. Do you know how mad I'd be if you let me run around smelling.

[Angie]

Well, you were so mad at me about that time you had that kind of freshly eyeliner look going on.

[Sophia]

Yeah. Which I've made a discovery in that. That it's not the eyeliner, it's the wrinkles. Not happy about that.

[Angie]

Welcome to I've had it. I'm Jennifer.

[Sophia]

I'm Angie, the head beaver in charge. Now we know why I have so many frogs in my backyard. Like, I can't get over that. I saw two last night and I was like, it's because I'm the head beaver. They know I'm the head beaver.

[Angie]

We are America's top DEI podcast. And an alarming thing happened right before we started filming. We had another dementia senior moment from Meemaw, the head beaver in charge. She looked at Kylie. You all know her name is Kylie, who we recently called Kathy. And then what'd she call you other than that? Katie.

[Sophia]

Katie, Kathy.

[Angie]

Today. Today's was Kyla.

[Emily]

Kyla and Annie. Friends named Annie.

[Angie]

Yeah. And it's Kylie and Anna. And so now we're Kyla Kyla.

[Sophia]

Yeah, I have lots of senior moments. Okay. I have to tell you this story. It was so funny. It happened while you were gone. So my car has been dictating on my watch and I've been sending texts from my car that I don't know about. And so I walk into the office and I sit down in Kylie's office and she looks at me and she whispers, she goes, did you mean to send me that text? And I was like, what text? And she holds her phone.

[Emily]

I have it.

[Sophia]

And I was like, I was like, I don't have my glasses on. What's it say? She goes, it's about sex. And I was like, well, no.

[Angie]

Are you sexting Kyla? Sexting Kyla?

[Emily]

I have an HR complaint.

[Sophia]

Yeah. So what happened was I was listening to this podcast about what I thought was emotional intimacy. Turns out it was about sexual intimacy. So I was gonna quit talking about. I mean I was, I never finished listening to it, but I walked in and the like last minute of the podcast that I had heard it had texted Kylie and she thought I was sexting her.

[Angie]

Several, several follow up questions. All right, Kylie first put it up.

[Emily]

So she asked, you want lunch? I said, we're okay, thanks. And then I get a text that says, I do look at sex. Such a space for all of you belong and if you're with somebody favorite but the sex and how it is. And then I thought about the guy who had that really intricate desire for sex, but he thought that it had to something deeper. I got that from my boss at noon.

[Angie]

Oh, okay. I just, I have so many follow up questions. Okay, Kylie. Let me just start with Kylie before I get to you. Kylie, when you received that. What was your first thought?

[Emily]

My first thought was she meant to send that to somebody else. Like, she's having a sex talk with her kids or like something. And she had just burst through the door and was like, I'm here. And I didn't want to embarrass her.

[Angie]

But I was like, she's whispering, hey.

[Emily]

Like, just so you know, it's okay.

[Sophia]

We can talk about sex.

[Angie]

It's fine. On the foothills of the Coldplay affair. Right here I am sexting our lesbian producer.

[Sophia]

Yep.

[Angie]

You pump shoe ignorant from the 80s.

[Sophia]

If. If you thought I was having a sexting affair with somebody. Yeah.

[Emily]

Like, if I had accidentally received it.

[Angie]

Let me ask you this. When she told you that it was accidentally transcribed while riding in her car from a podcast on her speakerphone, did you think or did you buy it?

[Emily]

I bought it. I mean, it was so unshocking that she did some, like, technological up to get that there. And that should have been my first thought, but yeah.

[Angie]

Okay, now I want to direct all of my energy at pumps number one. Let's dive into that. You thought you would listen to a podcast about emotional intimacy?

[Kylie]

Yeah.

[Angie]

Where'd that come from?

[Sophia]

Okay. My friend, her brother was on the experts on Experts podcast.

[Angie]

Okay.

[Sophia]

And so I was listening to that, and so that was over. And I thought, I just really enjoyed listening to experts. And then I went through and it was intimacy expert. And I thought, who needs intimacy expertise help more than myself? And I was like, I'm gonna. I'm gonna go all in. So I'm listening, and then I'm. Then I'm like. As I'm pulling in to the parking lot, I thought, they're talking about sex. I don't give a shit about the sex.

[Angie]

Do you think you could have benefited from the sexual intimacy episode?

[Sophia]

Well, I mean, I think a hundred percent I could if I were interested, but I'm much.

[Angie]

But you're asexual.

[Sophia]

I'm asexual. And I mean, having sex, it's. I can do that all day long. It's the intimacy part.

[Angie]

Really?

[Sophia]

Well, I mean, I could interesting. If I had enough lube. Because, like, having sex is fine. It's just all the things that go with it, like the talking, the touching.

[Angie]

Oh, are you a vocal? You're dirty talk. Dirty talk.

[Sophia]

Like talk after talk, before the lead up the date, before we have to talk, then we have to chit chat.

[Angie]

Like just rather ram and cram.

[Sophia]

Ram and cram. For Ange, I'm a Ram and Cramer. But Kylie, I do want to apologize for that happening.

[Angie]

Irene, I'll tell you what. We have got a 911 breaking news. Co host of America's top DEI podcast, sexually harassing lesbian producer.

[Emily]

Next time our. Our ratings start slipping, I'll whip that one out. Yeah, I'll keep it in my back pocket.

[Angie]

Kylie, do we have any reviews? We do.

[Emily]

Do you want a one star or five star?

[Sophia]

Let's start with one.

[Angie]

Yeah, let's go one.

[Sophia]

All right.

[Emily]

It's titled Vapid one star and they write vapid no star despite the one star minimum it takes to submit.

[Angie]

I like that. You know, because they. They wanted to. They were forced into a one star and so they used the comment section to explain that it's. It's no stars. Zero stars. They made me do the one star. They made me get on the Internet in my life because, I mean, that's the kind of time I aspire for, right? I aspire for that level of time where I am so fucking bored. What a luxury to be that bored in life that you've done all of the praise that you can do for the day and then it's time to just start trolling, just start chewing, just.

[Sophia]

Start trolling on the Internet.

[Angie]

I mean that. I am so envious of that time that that person has to do that. Right? I agree. Okay. The five star.

[Emily]

Okay, I've got a five star titled Inject this into my Veins and they write. From Pump's adorable laugh, Jen's exquisite vocabulary, and Kylie's smooth as honey voice, this show is a dream come true. It's crass, judgmental, and sometimes completely unhinged.

[Angie]

Like today.

[Emily]

Berating the leader of our nation, pointing out the hypocrisy that plagues Christianity and unwavering support for civil liberties. This show has it all. Keep up the good fight. Love always, your fellow lib. Surviving a red state.

[Angie]

Okay, this, this post is from Baberham Lincoln. Go girl. I love that. That's very nice. Thank you, Abraham Lincoln.

[Sophia]

I do think Kylie has a great.

[Angie]

Kelly has a great voice, which I wouldn't. Don't know if I were you, if I would have said that on the foothills of the egregious HR violation that we just shared with our listener. Okay, but you're the lawyer, not me. Okay. I have a new story I'd like to share. That is for pumps. Beavers built a dam blocking dirty water. The government was planning on building one, but the beavers saved them. 1.2 million. In an unexpected twist of nature and economics, a group of beavers Built a dam that successfully blocked contaminated water from spreading downstream. The very same area had been targeted by government officials for a multimillion dollar engineering project. But before construction could begin, the beavers had already solved the problem naturally.

[Sophia]

And they're Canada's animal, and we stand with Canada. So what's not to love about a beaver?

[Angie]

You're burying the lead. You're the head beaver in charge.

[Sophia]

I'm the head beaver in charge. As evidenced.

[Angie]

I mean, if I were to ever think of a project that would be earmarked to get done, I would think this is exactly what pumps would do.

[Sophia]

Exactly.

[Angie]

She would completely build her own dam after she accidentally sexually harassed all the lesbians in her life. Okay, and then here's another study that's come out after we already did our unofficial study and reported it to our listener on the podcast at least two years ago.

[Sophia]

Oh, good.

[Angie]

And now the news is catching up with I've had it. The science is catching up with I've had it. And this is. People who repeatedly post their workouts on social media have narcissistic traits. Researchers analyze behavior patterns and motivations behind fitness related posts. While sharing progress can inspire others, excessive posting is often linked to validation seeking and self image obsession.

[Sophia]

Heard it here first.

[Angie]

You heard it here first? Like two years ago.

[Kylie]

Yeah.

[Sophia]

And Jennifer has been saying this forever because I walked into a yoga studio once and somebody was standing on their head with the video camera. And I was so disturbed when I left, I called her and I was like, you'll never believe this. She goes, there's just a lot of narcissism in working out.

[Angie]

There really is.

[Sophia]

And that was years before the podcast.

[Angie]

Did I tell you recently? Okay, this is hilarious. So Roman, my youngest son, is on Instagram and somehow the algorithm fed him a video that Josh Welch's personal trainer had put together a little reel of Josh's workout. Roman immediately, as a dutiful son would do, shares it with our Instagram DM fam Bam. Which is our, you know, I immediately, of course, open it up and share it with my Instagram followers.

[Sophia]

Right.

[Angie]

Look at what we found on Instagram. Because it wasn't. It was just like a fluke deal that Roman founded and it's Josh doing his workouts. I guess the doctor cleared his ear for workout.

[Sophia]

This is not Josh's first workout posting offense.

[Angie]

Okay, we gotta move on. Okay. We have a guest I'm so excited about. She's an actress, she's a producer, she's an activist, she's an entrepreneur, and she's the host of iHeartRadio's Work in Progress, which I don't know what that feels like since we progressed to perfection.

[Sophia]

I was gonna say since we haven't progressed at all.

[Angie]

All right, I'm talking about none other than Sophia Bush Pumps and I need to share with everybody that we have written a book. It's called Life is a Lazy Susan of Shit Sandwiches and believe it or not, Pumps. And I have not always been so rock solid and we talk about all of our trials, tribulations, most of all our fuck ups. Yes, because fuck ups are relatable and a part of the human experience.

[Sophia]

I have gotten so much feedback regarding the book that because of my situation with the religion and addiction and all that that people relate to that. So I do think there's something to take away that's comforting about it because we've all been in very difficult situations.

[Angie]

And listener what we want you to do. This is the IT book for summer reading. So please get your copy of Life is a Lazy Susan of Shit Sandwiches and take a picture of yourself with the book and really great places and tag at I've had it podcast and we will share your images with our summer it book. You can buy it in bookstores, you can buy it in the link in our bio. You can buy it at Target, Walmart, Amazon, etc, all the retailers. Happy reading and Happy summer.

[Sophia]

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[Angie]

All right, something I want to talk to you girls about that I haven't spoken about with you yet. Pump. So, Sophia, we want to rope you into. This is the whole Coldplay astronomer affair thing happened when I was in Europe and of course it's like global news. Like, it's all over the news there. What do you guys think about this?

[Kylie]

Can I say the thing that really stands out to me about it? Because she is divorced. Not that that's okay, because obviously she knows he isn't. But what was so crazy to me is that woman is out in the world. She's allowed to date. She's making bad decisions. Let's be frank, because the pool of men you have to choose from is. It's the bottom of the barrel at this point. It's really a septic tank. And this man is still married. Now, listen, if we found out he was separated, you know, living separately from his wife, we'd go, ooh, that's awkward. But he's not. He's having a full blown affair. It's so ugly. And he's the one who crouches out of frame.

[Angie]

Oh, single.

[Kylie]

He is the one who crouches out of frame, like, oh, got to just do the fake staircase thing they used to do on sitcoms in the 80s. Like, sir, you are the one doing the really naughty, naughty thing, dragging this woman down with you. Yeah, I guess she's kind of a willing accomplice, but you ducked out of frame. Men are cowards. They are such little baby cowards.

[Angie]

They totally are. I mean, I talk about this all the time and I feel like MAGA has just like mainstream. Oh, my God, normalized whining. Have you ever seen a group of men? Now their new big thing, because they beat up on trans people, They've been beating up on gay people, they've been beating up on black people, They've been beaten up on immigrants. Now their new thing is the white liberal woman. They're triggered by white liberal women. You guys are the biggest bunch of pussies I have Ever seen in my life. The list of people with whom you were triggered by grows by the day.

[Kylie]

Yeah, and here's the crazy part. Well, I guess not crazy. Look who. Look who. Their dear leader is the biggest man, baby, in the world. You know, a journalist asked him, asks him a question, and he'll tell them to shut up or call them a nasty woman or say, what a dumb question, like a toddler. So, of course these. These MAGA people are, you know, impersonating or becoming toddlers themselves. But what's crazy to me is they'll be like, you guys are just as bad. And I'm sitting here going, no, our whole point is don't bully people. Stay out of people's lanes. Don't take people's rights away. If you weren't doing any of that and you wanted to be super nationalistic and gross in your own home, go right ahead, honey. I don't care. I don't care what you believe at home. It's when you try to take other people's rights to believe what they believe or be who they are or love who they love or, gee, I don't know, have the same civil rights protections under the Constitution as you. That's when I have a problem with what you're up to. And they're out here being like, you. You told me I can't be a racist. And that's bullying.

[Angie]

I'm like, yeah, is it okay, Sophia, we like to ask all of our guests what they've had it with. Sophia Bush, what have you had it with?

[Kylie]

Oh, my God. Well, I just. I just went through this yesterday at the airport. This is constant for me. I have had it with people who do not pick up after themselves in the TSA line.

[Sophia]

Same.

[Kylie]

I have had it with oligarchy. I have had it with conservatives, whether they're voters or politicians, saying they are pro life after this year and particularly this month. And my God, I have had it with having to know about gluten intolerance. Dairy intolerance.

[Angie]

Yes.

[Kylie]

Just let me have a snack. I'm so sick of being allergic to things that I eat. I've had it with myself and everybody else who's in the same boat.

[Angie]

Do you have gluten intolerance?

[Kylie]

Yeah, of course. How boring. Like, it is. The last thing I want to talk about when we go out to dinner and, you know, a waiter will be like, any dietary restrictions? I'm like, nope, I'm sick of myself. I don't. I just can't be bothered.

[Angie]

That's the misconception. Sophia. So many people that have gluten disorder or celiac disease. I guess it's what it's called. I think there's a lot of people that are faking it. I think we have a lot of hypos that are piggybacking on to the people that genuinely have it, that like talking about it a lot. I had a girl that worked for me once. She was lactose intolerant, gluten intolerant, all of these things.

[Kylie]

Yeah.

[Angie]

But 2am would roll around, and she's ordering, you know, cheese pizza, eating completely fine the next day. So I kind of called bullshit on it. I think that a lot of people piggyback on to real issues.

[Kylie]

Yeah.

[Angie]

And as. As a selfish kind of look at me kind of thing.

[Kylie]

Yeah. I mean, kind of what you guys were talking about on the show earlier, like, people that are posting their workouts every day have narcissist. Narcissistic traits. It's like, I do think now that there's a. A reason for everything, a label for everything. There's, like, so many clubs to be in, and everybody wants to be in a club. For me, I just. I've had to learn, like, listen, if I'm gonna go out and have a great Italian dinner, I'm gonna eat the pasta, I'm gonna eat the cheese. But if I do. If I do it for the stuff, that's not worth it. Like, if I have milk in my coffee every day, I will break out in a rash. And nobody likes a rashy actress. You know, it's like, not cute. Especially in 4K. You know, the cameras are so good now. You can see every hair in your eyebrows. Nobody needs to look at my eczema on my arms, but I'm an adult who understands, like, that's. That's worth it. That's not. I just don't want to talk about it all day, every day.

[Sophia]

Yeah.

[Angie]

In this same vein, I want to talk to you both about something I've been thinking a lot about. Like, as we all. We're all on the same version side politically, we're the white, liberal women that trigger the titty baby snowflake maga men so much. But I want to kind of talk about something that I think happens on the left that bothers me a little bit. And it's when people on the left police each other frequently. Like, I like to call men. We're women of a certain age and our generation, if a man's being a man's being a teddy baby, there's nothing as satisfying as saying, what a. Yeah. And just saying that. But then in the comments section, I get all these liberals that are like, don't say that. Vaginas are strong and they give birth and they're so amazing. And I'm like, that's the shit that makes us look like, pardon the pun, pussies. That's the shit that makes us. Where we're regulating. I'm on the right side. All of the civil rights can't stand the oligarchy against maga. I'm for all of the stuff that I'm supposed to be for. Do we have to police in the liberal movement? Every phrase and every word that people say. And I wanted to get both of your takes on that.

[Kylie]

I mean, pumps, you go.

[Sophia]

See, my thing is, I completely agree with that because you have to have a line in the sand where, like, this is a big deal. Like, you know, the MeToo movement, that shit is a big deal. We need to all stand together on that. But if you're micromanaging everybody on whether they say fuck or pussy or cunt, it's like, shut up. Nobody cares. You don't have to listen. That's a great thing about this Internet thing. You don't have to listen to everything that's on it.

[Kylie]

Now, my take on it is I think about certain issues as kind of like a seesaw, right? Like, if you think about the spectrum, we're actually on a seesaw. We're kind of like moving between truths. And I am obsessed with language. I was a journalism student. I am to a point, like, thank God I understand the way my brain is wired. Finally, as an. As a late diagnosed adult, like, I get so obsessed to the point of insanity about, like, the granular details and the numbers and the social science data and what the statistics say. And also, who gives a fuck? Like, if we pick a battle, if we pick every battle, we lose the war.

[Angie]

Totally.

[Kylie]

And just like you just said pumps. Like, I did a play in London and the cutest. Oh, the cutest thing, I had this big burly co star. I loved him. He played my boyfriend in the play. And he was one of those guys who'd walk into work and be like, what are you doing, you fucking cunt? And I'm so yummy. And I left London and I was like, I'm keeping it. And you know what? You look at what's happening in the world politically, you look at the current president of the United States literally building concentration camps. And I'm sitting here going okay, Keep being a fuck around and find out.

[Angie]

Right.

[Kylie]

And I'm not embarrassed by it. What I want to say to. To the keyboard cowboy liberals that are so sensitive it's insufferable is if you don't like the word, you don't have to say it in your life.

[Angie]

Right, right.

[Kylie]

You don't have to say it. But. But claiming that people are somehow doing a disservice to the cause of societal progression by having what is often geographical and dialectical language patterns.

[Angie]

Enough. Agree, enough.

[Kylie]

Don't arm them with our, you know, sad sack sensitivity stuff. Like, we need to be out here supporting trans people, supporting constitutional freedom, supporting immigrants, supporting women and minorities. And like, you want to argue with me, Sophia?

[Angie]

I want to jump in because I think we need to support it with a fuck you attitude. I think we got to quit packaging it as. As, oh my God, we love everybody. I think we need to package it as, if you want to be a bully, you're going to face every single one of us. You, you worthless sack of shit. Maga, pussy, titty ass, whiny ass, bitch boy.

[Kylie]

Put it on your T shirt.

[Angie]

You're gonna bully trans kids? Fuck you. And I think we need to fight it like that. It's happening a little bit right now. Where Texas is gerrymandering. Cause their dear leader, McCain's taco tits, wants five new seats out of Texas. And so Gavin Newsom was like, okay, tit for tat. Let's pony it up, big boy. We'll gerrymander too. And then I heard Pritzker, the governor of Illinois, was like, okay, let's do. But Hochul's like, let's do it. I'm like, fuck yes. It's time for fuck you politics. And I think we need to package our support for all of these people with a brand of fuck you.

[Kylie]

We sure do. And you know what? I think it's incredibly important because they've got this insane idea that they're the only patriots, that they're the only real Americans. And let me tell you something. I've been a sharpshooter since I was 12 years old. I got my first gun for my 12th birthday. And I look at these people and I have complained about this as a volunteer for the democratic politics for 20 years. We show up to a gunfight with a pen and they show up with an Uzi. And I'm at the point where I'm like, you want to have a duel? Let's go cowboy style tombstone. Let's go. We have to Fight fire with fire. We have to stop believing that someday they're going to wake up, have a conscience, and realize that decorum is central to living in a civil society. They don't care about decorum. They're out here trying to earn gotcha points, posting AI of people getting eaten by alligators on, on social. And we think we're having a conversation with people who have a moral compass.

[Angie]

No, completely. And I think they need to be completely called out for the breathtaking, disgusting hypocrites that they are. We live in Oklahoma. Bible thump, dump truck. Okay? Not our city. It's a purple city. And I love the people here, but generally the people here brag not as not a county turned blue. And I'm like, that's not the flex you think it is, but whatevs. But what, but what bothers me about it is it's like they're so forward facing about Jesus, right? And then at the same time, this guy, I'm not a Christian, but everybody around me is in the state and they're always talking about Jesus. Jesus this, have you been saved? Do you know Jesus? You are friends with Jesus. I'm like, shut the fuck up. But nonetheless, so I read up about Jesus, right? And this Jesus guy spoke out against the accumulation of wealth. He said, I think the quote is something I'm paraphrasing here because I'm not the biggest biblical scholar as you could imagine, with my aforementioned atheism, but that a, a, a camel would have an easier time making its way through the eye of a needle than a rich man would to heaven. So this whole hypocrisy where you have all of these people, like, I like to pick on that Scott Jennings, big, big Bible guy on cnn, right? And he wants to be this big Jesus guy, but all he is is a cheerleader for a billionaire. He's a billionaire's bitch that brought him out on stage as his little show pony, right? And as long as Scott Jennings doesn't speak out of line, then Trump heaps praise on him. And I just think what a demeaning position to be in, to not believe in anything. And you seek the approval of McCainkel's taco tits who can't even blend his makeup, like that does it for you, like that's it.

[Sophia]

I think it's teeny weeny syndrome. I mean, I just think a lot of these men have, they have little dick energy, they have insecurity, they're overcompensating. And so if any proximity to power, they just quiver oh, yeah.

[Kylie]

And it's particularly why they're so intimidated by liberal women, because liberal women have their own big dick energy, right? I'm like, I don't. We don't need you. And they hate that. They hate and empowered anybody who they think is supposed to serve them rather than be their equal. And it's a particularly perplexing thing for me because I've done all the Bible reading. I grew up in a family filled with Italian Catholics. Literally. One of my cousins is a priest in Italy in the Catholic Church. My dad is a raging atheist after the particular brand of Christianity he grew up with. And the entire rest of my family is Jewish. So I spent my entire childhood going to church, going to synagogue, and then being asked questions about why any of those beliefs should be counted as more true than any of the other. And it led me to study. I'm talking, like, collegiate Islamic studies, going into theology, studying the Tao Te Ching, reading the Upanishads, the Rigvedas. Like, I have delved into what faith looks like around the world, trying to find the thing that's true for everybody. And then how that true thing gets bastardized. And whatever it is, you know, whether it's the Bible thumpers next door to you or the people who. Who truly believe they have the word of God anywhere in the world, every quote, unquote, good book says the same thing. Love thy neighbor, be generous, give the shirt off your back, share your food with others. The whole point of any faith is to take care of each other. And these people are out here trying to literally starve children to death, take away health care, subjugate women, let you die in the emergency room. They're trying to overturn EMTALA right now, and they're saying they're following the word of God. I'm like, oh, bros, if you met Jesus today, you'd deport him.

[Angie]

I think the people that live around us would be shocked as you of his skin color.

[Sophia]

Right.

[Angie]

That he's not, you know, because they do.

[Kylie]

They.

[Angie]

You know, and what's interesting is what they've done, you know, with Jesus. I saw a meme the other day, and it was like, it was a picture of Jesus with his abs, and he was on the crucifix. And somebody wrote, I wish we could get Jesus's workout. And somebody put CrossFit. Then the other person commented, nailed it.

[Kylie]

Not nailed it. That is such a deep cut.

[Angie]

It was so good. But. But it reminds me what they do to Trump. You know, there's all of these homoerotic images Trump where he has like a six pack and now they're calling him daddy, which all the three of us know what that means in gay community. And I just think that there's a lot of. I have this theory and I talk about it from time to time, but I think with MAGA men, I think that they are very closeted by curious and. Or closeted gay. Oh yeah, here's my theory. I think when they're, you know, their wife's gone to bed, they're pulling up pornhub, right. They got the lotion out, they got the tissue box out. I'm sorry to visualize it like that.

[Sophia]

I was gonna say that's pretty, but.

[Angie]

I gotta paint the picture. So they get on, they're watching porn, and then right when the money shot happens for the viewer happen to have been looking at a rock hard, hard cock. Well, if you're some big MAGA guy and you've got a Ford F150 with, you know, jacked up tires, you maybe got trunk truck nuts on your. Yep. On the back, you wear, you know, I'm a big boy with my grenade and I'm a super patriot MAGA coated stuff all the time. And then after that orgasm, you're like, oh God, I just orgasmed to the. The did it. Well, then it happens again and again and again. And so then they start brow beating gay people instead of just acknowledging that, hey, yeah, I kind of got turned on by the cock. Big fucking deal, right? You know, it doesn't mean you're completely gay. Maybe a little bi, curious, whatever the label, we don't give a shit. But by the way, who cares? Exactly. But they do. And that's why I think there's such a myopic focus.

[Kylie]

Yeah.

[Angie]

Because I mean, I would. My, my real job when I'm not a podcaster is I'm an interior designer. So I've been around gay men forever and I've never heard a group of men speak about gay sex as much as I have from MAGA politicians. As I have added a gay bar with men actively on Grindr saying, what do you think? How should I respond to this? I've never seen anything like it.

[Kylie]

No, they're obsessed. And, and what's interesting to me is they have been handed essentially a package of shame by our society. And that package of shame, they claim comes from the word of God or from righteousness or from patriotism, whatever it is. Because these are all fanatical belief systems when, when we're talking about totally Maga. It gets. It gets cultified. And that shame eats them up. And then they take that poison and they spew it on everybody else. And people who just are who they are, who are open to new information, who are open to expanding their toolkit of learning and ways to show up in the world, aren't barfing shame all over other people all the time. And it's like we look at somebody like a Lindsey Graham, and I'm like, honey, just be who you are. Like, put on the heels, live kind of like Prince did, and maybe you'd be like, fun for your constituents to hang out with instead of trying to murder half of them.

[Angie]

Right.

[Kylie]

You know, it's. It's such a weird thing to me. It's like, I'm miserable, so everybody else has to be miserable too. And I think that's particularly why they're so afraid of us, of queer people, because they see people choosing their inner knowing, which is spiritual, choosing their freedom, which is revolutionary, choosing to love in the face of hate, which requires such moral aptitude and such generosity that. That it makes them feel ashamed that they don't have it right. So it's not that, oh, your love is wrong, your family is wrong, it's your freedom. Intimidates hates me because I'm a chicken who could never be free. Right?

[Angie]

I think there's a jealousy. I think that. Because when. If you are a gay person in the United States of America, which is a very religious first world country compared to Europe, and you had especially people, the. The gays that I ran around with in Oklahoma City, they had to first. Their first bully was their parents and their. Their peers and their family. So they had to get past so many barriers to be able to have shame, free sex, to be able to go to a gay bar and give their partner or somebody they're interested in, you know, a kiss on the cheek without shame. So they had to do so much more work than a heterosexual person does to be able to do that. So by the time they've done that, they have so much more depth. Then they're having this fabulous shame. Free sex. And inherent problem with religion for me is, well, there's multiple. There's one ad I could. I could go on all day, but the one I want to talk about right now, one of the inherent problems with religion is that they try to regulate something that we're genetically hardwired to do. We're genetically hardwired to fuck, to perpetuate the species, but it's the one thing they Try to regulate. So if you tell people their whole lives, you can't, you can't have sex, you can't have sex, you can't have sex. Then all of a sudden you get married and you can. How are you supposed to like it? I remember my very first boyfriend when I went to Westmore High School in Moore, Oklahoma. Jaguars. Go Jags. My boyfriend's dad was a former Southern Baptist preacher, so his parents were big Bible thumpers. My parents total atheist. It was kind of weird. Like when I was at their house. Well, his name, I won't say his name. He got huge trouble because his mother busted him masturbating. The most normal thing a 16, 17 year old boy could do. Beat off. Yeah, Right. So he gets in huge trouble, he's grounded. And then he was the person I lost my virginity with. And every time after we would have sex, there was all this guilt and he would talk about how wrong it was and it just wasn't a part of my experience. Like my parents had told me, you and you know, who are getting kind of close, make sure you protect yourself from pregnancy, blah, blah. It was just a very normal conversation. Awkward as I wanted to, you know, crawl under the sofa and die. But he had all of this shame about like masturbating or being, you know, screwing a 17 year old girlfriend. We're both 17 in high school. Yeah. Like, what's the point of that?

[Kylie]

Well, and the shame, that's what metastasizes, right? The shame, especially when it's put on you as a young person. You look around, look at all these ultra MAGA guys that are out there, like, release the Epstein files. Down with the, with the left wing pedophile cabal. Three of them have been convicted of whole of. What's the word I'm looking for? I'm gonna start that sentence over. Sorry for your editor. Three of them have been caught in the last week and been arrested for having child porn. Yeah. And like, why?

[Angie]

I want to say something we all need to do.

[Kylie]

What is that?

[Angie]

You said child porn and somebody brought this to my attention. We have to quit saying child porn. We have to say photographs of sexual abuse of a child, of children. And I just. Somebody brought that to my attention just in the last week or two. And I thought, oh my God, that's so true. Because it's.

[Kylie]

Yeah, well, it's the same as. It's the same as the discourse around Trump and Epstein and everyone keeps saying, you know, underage women. No, underage women are children.

[Sophia]

Right?

[Kylie]

Yes, yes, Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. Sexually abused children. Children.

[Angie]

And these are the corrections that I think are worth it. These are the corrections when you're talking about people who have been egregiously and savagely victimized and about how the language that we use has normalized and protected the abusers. This is the language I want to be corrected on. This is the language that I think helps protect victims of sexual abuse and further stigmatizes the abuser instead of the other way around.

[Sophia]

Right. Cause speaking of all the shame, sex abuse victims don't come forward because of the shame heaped on them by the people the predator. And we're doing that right now on a global stage. Donald Trump is victimizing these kids over and over. I mean, they're adult women now, but they were children at the time. And it just makes me sick that we're all talking about, you know, Ghislaine Maxwell. What's she going to Trump saying it's a hoax. Like, we have real victims here, hundreds and hundreds of victims, and nobody gives a shit about them.

[Kylie]

And that's something that drives me nuts. Just like it's so important. Look, it is incredibly important. Where we say, not underage women, we say children. The victims were children. That's a linguistic correction. That's worth it. It us saying, Donald Trump said, man, baby pussy. Don't correct me on that. I'm not wrong. But it's like these are the things that help us undo the sort of psychosocial layer, the kind of one layer under your obvious consciousness of, oh, we tell these stories in our society, socially and psychologically. They downplay how bad the stories are that we should be correct.

[Angie]

And they're patriarchal systems that we all grew up in and that you don't realize and you're not consciously aware of until later. Like, you have an awakening, especially if you grew up, like I'm sure we all did in white circles, and you kind of have this wake up later on in life when you have more diversity and people that had a different experience than you did, and you have an awakening. And I think, think these are the things that are worthy of correction. These are the things that are worthy of the fight. Especially, like the. The. The amount of sexual abuse and depravity that is prevalent in the MAGA movement is staggering.

[Sophia]

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[Kylie]

It's really worth pulling at the thread of certain belief systems. Couple of things. The sexual abuse prevalent in their movement, staggering 97 of children. I believe this is the stat. Y' all can, you know, check it and correct me in the notes on the show if I'm, if I'm wrong, but it's something crazy. Like 92 or 97% of kids, children that get sexually abused are sexually abused by a father or a stepfather, not by an immigrant, not by a stranger, not by a teacher, not by a drag queen reading story hour. Right by. By a parent or family member. Then we start to look at where a lot of this shame comes in. And you look at, you know, the, the ones who have this illicit material of children. You look at the ones who are closeted and doing crazy things behind the scenes, and you wonder, well, what did those messages, like, you know, like, Jennifer, like your boyfriend when he was a teenager got. If you get broken about sex as a kid, and I don't know this to be true, I'm just asking questions because I'm a curious person. If you get broken about sex as a kid, does that increase your likelihood that as an adult you are a pedophile? I don't know. What if it does? Like, what if the unhealthy attitudes that come out of these quote unquote religious institutions that are literally going against what their religious books say in their practice in society. What if that's what's making people sick? And then you start to look at things like homophobia and all of these issues. It's not lost on me. You know, there was a great tragic, I shouldn't say great tragic, but important documentary on Netflix years ago called like the Secret Keepers, I believe.

[Sophia]

Yes.

[Kylie]

All about the young women.

[Angie]

Oh, my God, yes.

[Kylie]

And, and a friend of mine who is a literal theologian, thank God she had the academic know how to point this out to me after we watched it. Oh, I have goosebumps thinking about it. Said, you know, there's rampant sexual abuse of girls in the Catholic Church as well. They just don't talk about it because if they talk about the abuse of boys, they can continue to demonize queer people. And it took my breath away that these women who survived it had to make their own documentary because nobody wants to talk about the grown men abusing little girls.

[Angie]

The amount of scandal in churches with children is unbelievable. And I, you know, Maga, the QAnon sect of the MAGA world, they're like, we. We support the kids. I'm like, okay, everybody does, like, everybody that I know opposes sexual abuse towards children. Thanks for letting me know. But if they do this, if this is really their number one driving force in the world, look no further than the churches. My husband's a criminal defense attorney, and every time he has a case that involves some sort of sexual abuse, when you look at the list of where this abuser had worked, it's always at a church at some point, at some time. And these churches have paid out hundreds of millions of dollars from the Nazarenes to the Southern Baptists to the Mormons to the Catholics, and on and on and on. And after being around my husband for 25 years and these cases that he's had before, I mean, I just knew, number one, I'm never sending my kids to a sleepaway camp ever. I mean, it was. It was already a foregone conclusion that my kids weren't going to church. I mean, that was church camp. That was just a. An absolute, no, you're not going to church. But because I went once when I was younger and it was terrifying. The church was. There's all this tongue talking, all this crazy shit going on. The preacher was in like, a white mink coat. It was bananas. It scared the. Out of me. But it's just. It's crazy how if a business had this type of. Of sexual misconduct, it would go out of business. The fact that the Catholic Church, the Southern Baptist, the Nazarenes, and on and on and on, are still in business, still not taxed. And to the contrary, now Trump is encouraging people in workplace to proselyze to each other.

[Kylie]

If somebody walked up to me in my workplace and started laying hands on me, I would punch them in the face.

[Sophia]

Right?

[Kylie]

Like, that is not appropriate. That is not for me. How dare you. And, and, and it's crazy to me. You know, again, I feel really lucky that I have the, you know, I'm not going to call it academic level by any means, but I have a pretty decent background in theological study. And then I have a dear friend who is a literal theologian. So I get to, you know, press a lot of questions I have with her. And it shocks me, you know, when we want to learn about something, we want to learn how to fix a system. We do Research, we want to learn how to cure a disease. We do research, we get new information, adjust the findings, and we hopefully, you know, get to the answer faster. And for some reason with religion, people aren't willing to do that. And when you just pull at that thread a little bit, you know, even, even the Leviticus of it all, my, my, my friend, the theologian who went to seminary was like, no, we study when do not lay with a, with a man the way you lie with a woman. Whatever it says, when they shifted in the biblical translation, do not lay with a child to do not lay with a man. And when you think about all of us becoming versions of property to these very mediocre men in charge, that shifted in the evolution of agriculture when you could buy and sell cattle, buy and sell land, and they essentially wanted you to be able to buy and sell women. People with land wanted to marry their daughters, often child daughters to men with more land. So the Bible was changed. Then you, you start to learn that the judgment, the word homosexual didn't appear in the Bible anywhere, ever, in any language until 1947 when somebody screwed up a translation. And when they caught the screw up six months into those Bibles being printed, they printed too many to recall them because they would have lost too much money. So they left it in there. So they have caused, not only did they go back on the supposed teachings of their Lord and Savior that you shouldn't be a pedophile, but they've run rampant with homophobia because it would just be too expensive to fix it and, you know, easier to say, don't be with someone you can't procreate with because, you know, you gotta, you gotta give your kids your land. Like it's, it all comes back to money. And the churches buying private jets and saying, well, I had a, I, I heard the voice of God and he told me I needed a plane so I could fly around the world and preach.

[Sophia]

Right.

[Kylie]

You need a jet, sir? No. You want to be an oligarch? Thank you so much for telling me who you are.

[Angie]

Totally. And we, I talk about that. The religious industrial complex in this country is unparalleled anywhere else in the world. I mean, it is a total grift when you're going to a church and they're taking Venmo and tongue talking and all this crazy. And I think another reason that they use what quote, I put this in parentheses, listener wedge issues like abortion, the trans issues, the gay issue, is because for white rural Americans, they are only sold a binary choice in the World of everything. Further, there's no culture in rural America except for the church. And so if they can otherize people, and that goes back to our species way back when, just basic tribalism, then it's like, okay, you can't have nice things because of these two Leslies over here. French kiss. And that's what's keeping you from having nice things. And they just drum it up and then they, they keep moving the goalposts as to who they're mad at. When MAGA people have to understand the reason you can't have nice things has nothing to do with an immigrant, a woman, a bunch of hot Leslies, a bunch of hot gay men. It has nothing to do with any of that. The reason you can't have nice things is because politicians lie to you. They exploit you and they lie to you and they favor corporations over your safety and well being. 12 times out of 10, both parties do it all the time. And that's the problem. That's why they're so miserable.

[Kylie]

Well, and one of the things that feels really important here and, and yes to everything you just said. And if we zoom out from this current moment of absolute insanity where we feel like we're in George Orwell and they're saying, don't believe your own eyes, right? Don't believe what you're seeing. Don't believe the videos, don't believe the photos, don't believe, believe what you literally see in your own neighborhoods. Even if we zoom out, part of the problem, and I'm not going to say I excuse the behavior, but part of what makes me feel crazy is in that sort of we bring a pen to the gunfight and they've got an Uzi analogy. We have to be in a fight with these people, are all of our elected officials will lose their seats if they don't raise $47,000 a day.

[Angie]

A day.

[Kylie]

So it's like, well, how, who, how are they going to do it? And if, and if the right is so willing to be soulless and take so much dark money and be bought off by anybody, the left is going to be bought off a little bit. Some of them are going to be bought off a lot. Some of them are going to make millions of dollars trading stocks. And it's fucked up. And what drives me nuts is if we start to go backwards, every time we've tried to get meaningful campaign finance reform through, we get beat. Citizens United ruined everything. The fact that we legalized lobbyists in the 1970s, there are 27, no, sorry, 21 lobbyists per member of Senate and Congress in this country, 21 that all these people have to deal with. And so for me, when we say like grow a pair, have a spine, do something, I'm like, well we have to figure out as a, as a constituency on a national level how to get those frickin laws overturned. Because unless we get money out of our elections, this is only going to get worse. And the uglies, the Donald Trumps and the JD Vance's who will literally sell you and your family down the river for a buck are only going to get worse. And the people who we thought had a spine are only going to get more turtley. Which by the way, I'm convinced is why Mitch McConnell looks like that inside out. Because he's a spineless sack of shit. Like we have to figure out how to change some of these things by our sheer numbers. But part of the problem is everyone is so algorithmically separated now that they think anybody who doesn't agree exactly with them is one of one and stupid and they think that they're right. And that's why I get obsessed with the numbers and the stats and the years that the laws were passed and the bills changed and da da da da. Because I think it gives us context to why this is happening and it helps us understand how. And then we can really see how it's literally along the calendar timeline all been by design and we can get a little less self righteous about being right and get a little more activated about fixing the problem.

[Angie]

And you know, this is why I love this New York mayoral candidate Zoran Mandani. He won, you know, a large portion of the vote. He won the majority of the Jewish vote. And this is a man who is Muslim who walked in the gay pride parade with a trans flag. He took the most marginalized members of the American public right now, that is they're bullied non stop, which are trans kids. And he carried that flag. And this is terrifying for the right wing that they, you see a liberal, progressive, non lying, non beholden, brown skinned Muslim, right? And so, and he got all of these grassroots donations and I know that, you know, it's tricky and I 100 agree with you with Citizens United. The John Roberts court will go down as the court that ruined America. There's no question. Decision after decision after decision. But when I see the Zoran Mamdanis of the world and you look at the data and you dig into who all voted for him, it's really, it gives me hope and it gives me Promise. Because a lot of people that voted for him voted for Trump.

[Sophia]

Yeah.

[Angie]

Which is interesting. And I think what Trump has presented to people, which all three of us know here is a lie. I'm so rich. I'm beholden to no one. Well, they bought into it. They think, you know, that that's true. And these aren't people that follow the news cycle like we do. But then when they see somebody like aoc, which had both MAGA voters and voters for her, and Ma', am, Donnie had Trump voters and the people who voted for him. What I think people like across all party lines are politicians that aren't beholden to anyone.

[Kylie]

Yes.

[Angie]

And so I don't know. I. You know, it gets. I get over my skis on how to fix that, but I do think that when you have a candidate that blasts out and does that, it's so refreshing. That is people pile on and support them, and they get all of these grassroots donations that add up to be quite significant.

[Kylie]

Yeah. It's pretty incredible. And what I think is exciting about it is it feels like a reprieve from the whiplash we experience. And people say, you know, what, if the system's broken, let's build a new system. It feels to me like an alternative to this idea of like, well, we have to burn it all down. Well, that. That's not going to be great. You don't want to burn down your hospital hospitals. You want to make them better, you want to give them more funding. You don't want to burn down your schools. You want to build computer labs for the kids. Like, this, this idea that you can leave the, you know, the, the tennis match this way, that way, this way, that way, and just start on a whole new court is really exciting and refreshing, and I just feel like we're ready for that.

[Sophia]

It's gotten so bad. Yeah, it's gotten so bad that people are like, I'm for that. Like, we might not agree on everything, but we agree on some things. We agree that children should be educated.

[Kylie]

Yes.

[Sophia]

Why is that controversial all at once? But it is.

[Angie]

Okay, Sophia, let's play our world class, world famous game. I'm sure you know all about it. Had it or hit it. Oh, my God. Welcome to had it or hit it. I would hit it.

[Sophia]

Had it.

[Angie]

Had it. I hit it every day, sometimes twice a day. Okay. Had it or hit it.

[Kylie]

The oligarchy had it. Had it.

[Angie]

Yeah.

[Kylie]

Just. What. What is the version of, like, bury it? Had it. I. That's how I feel about oligarchy. Nuke it.

[Angie]

Yeah, it's bad. Okay. Had it or hit it. The concept of having to come out.

[Kylie]

That'S complicated for me because I think the idea that people have to come out is inherently problematic. On the one hand, because it suggests that you have to announce that you're different rather than what is true, which is that there are spectrums of experience in the world and you just are who you are. But on the other side, I understand why coming out is so important culturally, given where we are in the culture and in the discourse, because every person who is able to safely or has the courage to declaratively say the best and most whole version of myself is the freest version of myself. And this is my freedom. I think freedom begets freedom. I think the more people that are out, the safer people are. I wish we were at a point where we could really accept the fact that at minimum one in five people in the world is queer.

[Sophia]

Right.

[Kylie]

So like, let's move it right along. Yeah, let's, let's be a little less fascinated. So it's kind of a both.

[Angie]

And for me, I think that is just such a beautiful, brilliant answer that you did. I really, I think that speaks to so many people because you have all of these. We went on tour with our podcast and we were really shocked, number one, that anybody showed up. But number two, we did this, this meeting. We didn't, hell, we didn't think anybody'd show up for our tour and by God it was ended up being sold out. But we'd go to, you know, all the big cities and would have this VIP meet and greet line. And one of the most unintended, beautiful consequences of this podcast has been we would have these young queer trans kids that drove three or four miles, I mean three or four hours in rural America to get to the city of Atlanta or Boston or wherever to meet us. And to say, I never thought two 50 year old women would champion for my community so much. I'm isolated and I feel alone and I'm bullied by my family. So thank you so much for being an ally. And, and I've always been just a very outspoken ally. My mother is very progressive and always spoke out about human rights. It was a part of my family identity growing up. And that, you know, comes out on this podcast with pumps. What pumps? And I say, but what you just said in your answer about somebody like you coming out or some of your more prominent forward facing public friends, it provides a comfort to these rural queer kids that I'm not broken Right. I'm okay. I'm not a bad person. It's okay because this famous person just said that. And after we went on tour and we met all of these young, beautiful people that have been bullied by their communities, I think it's just so important because I'm with you. I hate it. I had a friend that came out and he felt like he had to go on this. Going. Coming out to her. And I thought, well, that's fucked up. I didn't have to go around say, hey, guess what? I'm straight.

[Kylie]

You know, Yeah.

[Angie]

I get blow jobs. You know, I didn't have to do that. So I kind of felt sorry for him. But then the way you just said it, I really think it's. I really think what you said is so beautiful. Don't you punks?

[Sophia]

I do. And I kind of. With you, I stick on the one side, like, you shouldn't have to come out. Everybody should just accept it, and you shouldn't have to tell anybody. So we. I do. I see a new. A nuanced version of it now that I really like.

[Kylie]

And what I think is important about being able to kind of be between two worlds, to be on the seesaw of that, is that hopefully in 10 years, we're having a completely different conversation and people don't have to, but. But when the idea that people do is still revolutionary. We need to have a revolution.

[Angie]

I totally. I totally agree. I just. I really. I really agree with your point. And after we were in all of these different states and all of these cities, it's just so important that people feel like they belong and that they're not broken and that they're okay. And, you know, especially the trans community is just. It's so horrible. We have a really dear friend of ours. Her. She has a trans daughter. She and her husband have a trans daughter in Oklahoma where they've made. Made trans care completely illegal and criminalized. And it's just, you know, it's just a really, really horrible, toxic situation in the state. Meanwhile, the superintendent of School of Oklahoma, I'm sure you've heard of this Ryan.

[Kylie]

Waters I would like to smack right across the face.

[Sophia]

Oh, he's the worst.

[Angie]

Yeah, he's.

[Kylie]

He's.

[Angie]

Yeah, he's. He is such a dick. It's just unbelievable. Okay, let's move along. Oh, this is a good one. Had it or hit it? Women's sports.

[Kylie]

Oh, hit it all day, I have.

[Angie]

To say, so Pumps and I. You know, we have a mutual friend with you, Renee Stubbs.

[Kylie]

Yeah, the best.

[Angie]

She's the best. So we. So we pumps, and I get all riled up because Renee's always off with all these beautiful lesbians doing all this cool. You're one of them that she's. And your girlfriend, she's always out doing all this cool shit. So finally. And I just respond to her stories, like, ugh, you're on another trip. You're doing other fun stuff. But you posted. Or maybe you're. Your girlfriend did. Or maybe it was Renee, but it was you all playing tennis in Mexico, and Renee was teaching you guys. I had capital F O, M O. Neon flashing signs. I was so jealous of them. I want to be with all the power. Leslie's playing tennis. I want to go. I want to.

[Kylie]

You're invited.

[Sophia]

I want to be with. I want Renee's life, period.

[Kylie]

Like, I know.

[Sophia]

I want to live her life. I text her that all the time. Like. Like, I want your life. What happened to me that I didn't get your life? Oh, I know. Talent.

[Kylie]

Yeah. It's kind of funny being in love with such an elite, elite athlete and, like, being surrounded by our friends because we were. We were somewhere recently, and I looked at Ash and Renee, and I was like, isn't it funny that the asthmatic theater kid who literally won't run unless she's being chased, Like, I spend all my time with literal Olympians. Right? Totally crazy.

[Angie]

That's true. Yeah. And, I mean, you're, like, in the epicenter of, like, women's sports. Like, when I see all of you guys on Instagram, it's like, everybody watches women's sports, and I'm just like, they're all badasses. Like, I mean, and you're around all these, like, super athletes.

[Kylie]

Here's the deal.

[Angie]

I play tennis every day. I'm an average tennis player at best. But when I hit the court, I think I'm Renee Stubbs, and my husband comes and he videos me so I can watch it. It is such a show. It is.

[Kylie]

Oh, I totally get it. I feel I'm like, yeah, nailing it. Renee told me I hit a great. A great serve. I was like. And then I saw the video of it, and I went, cut that out of the. Cut that out of the. Don't. Don't do me dirty like that on the Internet. But I. I get it. It's wild. And you know what's so funny? When people are like, wow, why are you so in this world? Everybody forgets that back in 2015, when our. When our girlies were playing in the World Cup. The reason I became friends with them all, the reason I went, like, out partying with them when we did Glamour Women of the Year the next year when they won and all the stuff is because I was. I was watching the World cup games. I got the Snake Pit, which was my favorite bar in LA to open at 4am we would all go watch. And I was Instagram storying all this stuff, and all the girls were like, why is Brooke Davis tagging us in video? I was like, you guys are so cool. And I remember years later, you know, being at this, like, lunch with all of them in person, when so many of us were finally not Instagram friends. You know, we were in person friends.

[Angie]

Yeah.

[Kylie]

And they all were like. We were so gagged. And I was like, I don't think you guys get it. Like, you think people who do what I do are cool in my world, You. You gals. And then, like, three chefs that I'm obsessed with. You guys are the rock stars. I don't care about anybody who does what I do. We're all, like, anxious, you know, crazy circus performers. You guys have actual skills.

[Angie]

No, I. I agree with you. I get so starstruck around athletes just because, like, the. The. The genetics and the physical ability to. We're talking about elite. Elite athletes. We go to all these NBA basketball games. Oklahoma City Thunder. Champs.

[Kylie]

Jumps.

[Angie]

Yeah, let's go. And it was. And when you see them, it's just incredible. Okay, last one. Had it or hit it? The United States of America.

[Kylie]

Hit it. And I mean that for real. I mean, I mean that in the way that you get in the arena. You know, you stay, you get dirty, you fight, you do the work. You don't give up. I think about that Baldwin quote that. I'll paraphrase it, because I won't get it exactly right. But he essentially wrote about how. Because he loves America so much, so perpetually, so in a forever way, essentially, he reserved his right to criticize America perpetually, to essentially demand that America actually meet the promises that she's made to her people. And. And for me, it's like, it's a. It's a lifelong. Hit it.

[Angie]

I completely agree. I mean, sometimes, of course, I'm just like, I have fucking had it. As an American. You get to. That is the gift of being an American. You do not have to love America. You hear that freak show? German. Miller. Stephen Miller.

[Sophia]

Stephen Miller.

[Angie]

You know, he's such a freak. A total Nazi. Anyway. He's always like, we're Gonna train American kids to love America. And I'm like, you're missing the point of America.

[Sophia]

Right?

[Kylie]

You want to brainwash people.

[Angie]

Yes, they do.

[Kylie]

Creep. Also, can you imagine being Stephen Miller? That guy literally walks around cosplaying Hitler. Yeah. I'm like, and he's Jewish. And he's Jewish. You couldn't have found a better idol. Like, proximity to. To power won't protect you. My guy.

[Sophia]

Yeah.

[Kylie]

You're gonna be the first to go. It's the way I feel about white women cozying up to white supremacy. I'm like, who do you think are the biggest perpetuators of violence against women? Those white guys you think are gonna protect you? Yeah, baby, get your shit together.

[Sophia]

Yeah.

[Angie]

It's such a good point, Sophia. So true. All right. I mean, I just have to say it because it's just obvious. You're drop dead.

[Sophia]

I know.

[Angie]

Gorgeous.

[Sophia]

I mean, so pretty. And I have to say it. I've. I've been such a huge fan of Sophia.

[Angie]

Are you fangirling?

[Kylie]

Yes. And I used to record Chicago PD.

[Sophia]

When you were on it because I loved you.

[Kylie]

Thank you. Yeah. Gals. I love. I love y' all so much. Seriously. You want to come and play tennis? Come. I want. You're going on tour. Pack me in a suitcase. I'll make you coffee backstage. Like, I just want to hang with y' all and. And we need to make it happen. Also, I have to tell you about something that goes back a little bit to the top of our conversation and is important for you to know because you are in Oklahoma. I've been really lucky to do some work in your state with the Crutcher foundation and all the folks who are doing the most amazing work on the legacy of what Tulsa is, particularly for black folks in Tulsa. And one of the coolest things I've ever seen. There is an art gallery in Tulsa called the center for Queer Prairie Studies, and they have an exhibition in this space. It's like part of the mass art complex that some very generous funders in your state support, and they did an exhibition on the history of queer writing, media, and art in the Prairie states. And one of the things that took my breath away that you need to know about and your listeners need to know about, and any. Anyone who doesn't have the luxury of being out in particularly rural Oklahoma needs to know about. There is an artist named Pat Gordon, and he was this sort of high society portraiture, oil painter guy. So, like, you know, you think of a very traditional, wealthy family in the south, who gets their painting done. Pat Gordon's kind of not spoken, but known thing was he traveled around the south and painted queer men in drag.

[Angie]

Oh, my God.

[Kylie]

And these giant, like 6, 7, 8 foot high portraits of these men in gowns and jewelry would sit in their private offices or in their. Literally in their closets at home where visitors couldn't see them, but where they could see themselves reflected. And. Oh, I'm gonna get emotional. Being in the room with those paintings, like, literally brought me to tears. So next time you're in Tulsa, go see them. They're really magical.

[Angie]

I absolutely will. And I mean, look at that.

[Sophia]

She knows more about Tulsa than we do.

[Angie]

Oh, not a surprise. And I just a shout out because is so many of. Obviously we have a lot of people in blue cities and states that listen. But if you're a red state liberal, you really, really have to be tough and fight and you know the importance of like, you were talking about these people who put on this gallery in Tulsa. And it is so important in states like ours where they don't just try to bully the existence of LGBTQIA community. They want to erase them. And that is just a really, really dangerous place.

[Kylie]

Scary.

[Angie]

I, I, we're gonna have to go. We're on a trip.

[Sophia]

I want to.

[Angie]

And you and the power Leslies, meet us there.

[Kylie]

I'll meet you there. Oh, I can't wait. I have. We got friends we need to see. We have restaurants we need to hit. We're gonna go on a whole Tulsa tour.

[Angie]

Yes. I love it. All right.

[Kylie]

I love it.

[Angie]

Sophia, it's been so lovely. Thank you so much.

[Kylie]

I just adore you both. Thank you for having me. Thank you for what you're doing, for your courage and your humor and your and, and you're don't give a. I just. I love you.

[Angie]

We love you back.

[Sophia]

Thank you, Sophia.

[Kylie]

Thank you, guys.

[Angie]

Bye.

[Sophia]

Bye.

[Angie]

Okay. We went way over time, but she's so enjoyable. Smart, fun, witty. Doesn't throws out an F bomb. Did the C word. Did all the stuff.

[Sophia]

All the stuff.

[Angie]

Which brings us back to Renee Stubbs has cool friends.

[Sophia]

She has cool friend.

[Angie]

And we're friends now and we're Renee's.

[Sophia]

Friends, so we're in the cool group. But she is so drop dead and so pretty. Like, I've always, like, loved her. Like, I used to record that show she was on. Of course, she was a police officer on the show, so she wasn't super.

[Angie]

Dumb a thing for. Didn't you say I always said I.

[Sophia]

Wouldn'T have sex with a cop.

[Emily]

Yeah, I've heard that.

[Sophia]

Yeah, I have always said that, but I never have.

[Angie]

And you recorded.

[Sophia]

So if you're looking, if you're a person in blue or what do they call them? NYPD Blue or whatever. Anyway, that's not the point. The point is she is so pretty. It's like makes your eyes kind of like you can't focus. She's so pretty.

[Angie]

Really?

[Sophia]

You know she's that pretty.

[Angie]

Shut the up.

[Sophia]

You'd have to be blind.

[Angie]

Of course she is that.

[Sophia]

I mean, she's so pretty.

[Angie]

No, she's dropped dead.

[Sophia]

She's dropped dead.

[Angie]

All right, all right, all right. Well, anyway, that's what we have going on here. And I just want to say this to everybody that listens to this podcast. MAGA support is highly exaggerated online. They have all the oligarchs own all of the devices, the platforms that it's put. They have all these bot farms. This is America. People typically don't give a who you, who you love and what you do. And we have to keep fighting for this country with a you attitude because these people are pussies. The people who are trying to take it over are big whining titty baby pussies. And we have to keep fighting for this country.

[Sophia]

Completely agree. Couldn't have said it better myself. And we will see you next Tuesday and Thursday.

[Angie]

You what I've had it with. Let's hear it. I've had it with that. Listen up, patriots, Gatriots and Matriots. We have a new podcast that has dropped. It's called I Hip News. It's Monday through Friday. Every day, 15 to 20 minute hot takes on the political landscape of the United States of America. Always served with a side of petty grievances.

[Sophia]

We are on all, all the available platforms. Apple, Spotify, Google, whatever you get your podcasts and YouTube.

[Angie]

Please go, rate, subscribe and review so that we will chart upwards with America's greatest legal mind. Pumps, pumps. What does an eagle say? Caca. Little bit more enthusiasm.

[Kylie]

Caca.

[Angie]

That's it.

[Kylie]

That's. That's caca.

[Angie]

That's the patriotism that this country needs right there.