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So are we supposed to start the podcast?
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Ready, 1, 2, 3.
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Patriots, gay trio, Theatriots, Black Triots, Brown Triots. And everybody who tries to oppress those people can welcome to America's Top DEI Podcast. We have our pulse on America over here. And I've had it. All the Democratic strategists. You want to know what America thinks, You're in the right place. Quit being pussies and fight.
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B
Yeah, that's a great.
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A
All right, pumps, what have you had it with?
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B
Okay, what I've had it with is how, like, I feel exhausted because of all the lying and gaslighting that's coming out of this administration. I'm so tired of it. I was gaslit in my marriage and I did. That was before I even knew what the term was. But it just. I don't know if it triggers me more or if everyone feels this way, but it's like, I'm tired of facts being ignored, facts being misstated. I'm tired of people looking at my face, particularly political leaders and FBI directors fucking lying to my face like, I'm done. I've had it. I've had it with gaslighting. I would much rather somebody tell me the unvarnished truth, even if it's hurtful, then lie to me. And I just feel like. I don't know, I just feel defeated in that it continues to happen and it's so fast and it's coming so fast and so many people believe it. So I just feel like kind of we're in an abused state as a nation because we're just constantly being lied to and we're just gaslighting, gaslighting, gaslighting. And it's.
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A
I feel kind of defeated, you know, that. I think that's their tactic. I know, but I do think that it's. The part that makes me crazy is that I get that there are screwed up groups of people that want to do screwed up things. It's the people that buy into it. And if you look at, like, I always look at our state as an example, you look at our state and how now that it's had Republican super majority rules on the books, they've ruled everything in the state for close to 20 years. How everything is plummeted while at the same time, Governor dipshit listeners, we're in Oklahoma and his name is Kevin Stitt, but he's a real dipshit. He runs around telling Everybody we're top 10 state.
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B
Yes, I see that on the Internet and I saw it on a TV commercial. The other day and I was like, what? In what? In being racist and cruel? Is that it? Is that what? You know, guns having more rights than women? Is that what you're talking about? But no, I mean, it's just. There's no such thing as truth anymore.
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A
It's crazy. I'm with you. That I would rather hear the worst case scenario. I would rather it be facts. But I think that some people like their whole identity. Sadly, they've been indoctrinated via their churches and then disease different political silos and cultures where they not believing it or questioning it is too painful for them because their whole identity is wrapped up into it. Like, imagine the guy that, like, he gets up in the morning and he wears patriot deodorant, Patriot panties. He puts on his patriot, you know, top and, you know, he's got like stickers on his truck, American flag stickers, thin blue line sticker. He's got I'm a big boy stickers and truck, I'm a man truck nuts and pictures, stickers of assault rifles. And he lives in, you know, works a decent job in, you know, some small town America and he never gets a raise. And you know, his boss just told him, sorry, you're gonna start paying more for your insurance, I can't cover it. But his boss just bought, you know, a bunch of new jet skis and a monster truck and some other redneck sh. Right, some new guns. And you've, you've, you bought into this thing so much so that your panties are patriot panties that, that they kind of have a lot of these people checkmated.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know, like, they make it a part of their identity. Like Josh, my husband and I were talking about this the other day and he was like, he was like, I just kind of don't get people that are like so beefed up on patriotism because when you think about it, it's like, yeah, we're Americans and I'm proud to be an American. But like, I don't think about it that much. I have to think about it a lot lately because we're doing terrible things around the globe, you know, like denying the poorest children of the world medications and food. But I don't like, wake up every day and go, rah, rah, sis, boom, bo. I gotta get my patriot panty thong on, slap my ass and look at it before I walk out the door.
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B
You know, I've gotta salute myself in the mirror with the flag.
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A
It's weird.
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B
It's weird.
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A
The weird, like, patriot and like like this patriot shaming that goes on, on the right, like you're not a real American or you hate your country. And it's like, I am a real American and I actually love this country, but it's not my identity. Yes, I'm an American, it's my nationality, but I don't wake up every day and just be like, yeah, let's go USA and sing the national anthem and shit. You know, it's just, it's. There's patriot shaming going on by these literal faux patriots.
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B
Well, and here's the thing, too. When you look at the reason people love Donald Trump and think he is a patriot, it's because he got on that American flag and he dry humped it. And they were like, that's my guy. Yeah, he's the one. Yeah, that to me, I just.
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A
What's fascinating about that whole thing is I have never heard an American president shit talk the country as much as Donald Trump.
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B
America was dead.
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A
Well, just, just, I mean, for over 10 years now, he has shit talked it shithole. Said the White House was a shithole when he moved in there in Trump 1.0. He talks, I mean, just really disparagingly about Americans, about American policies, and not in a critical way. Like a constructively critical way. Like a politician could come in and say, you know, a lot of our foreign policy created decent, destabilized countries that now we have to accept those citizens of refugees because of American provocations abroad. That's a constructive criticism. His is just like, you know, basically the USA sucks, but also, wink, wink, I dry hump the flag, right? Get your patriot panties and check out my new flea market attire. The new Patriot man bra.
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B
Did you hear that? Trump is. Or see that he's bringing back Trump vodka, which has already gone bankrupt. That's the latest script.
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A
Imagine, like, here's what's going to really just be so nauseating if we ever make it through this regime. All of the patriots, the Republicans that are in the news, punditry, and the next president, let's say they're a Democrat and they talk Trump or talk anything when they get on with their American lapel pins in their suits and they said, you know, I think this is just beneath the dignity of the Oval Office. I am going to lose my mind. Because they will do it. They will do it and they will not feel any sense of hypocrisy in it.
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B
These are the people that still refer to themselves as the party of family values. I'm just like, of all the Things you can say. That's not it. That is not it.
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A
Yeah.
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B
It's a pro life party. That's the biggest bunch of horseshit I've ever heard in my entire life.
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A
It really is. Especially when you tackle on the ever growing evidence of all of these grinder surges, surges and outages at the RNC and now at Charlie Kirk's funeral. And you have all of these DL MAGA demon queens that, you know, pray to Jesus, dry hump the flag with Trump during the day, and then they're out at night doing gay stuff.
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B
Yeah. Eating Smith.
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A
They're eating ass.
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C
Mm.
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A
All right, let me tell you what I've had it with. I've had it with digital small talk, okay? I don't like small talk in general. You know, one of my problems when I go to places with you and Josh has started this too, both of you say to my face, oh, I hate small talk. I want no part of it. And I'm like, perfect. You're a great companion date for me. And then we go to these events and I'm. Every body language in me is turning, heading. Yep, nice to see you. Nice to see you. I'm doing the hand and you're going in, asking 75 follow up questions. And Josh is now doing this too.
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B
And here's the thing. Josh and I both will bond over. We're going to be in and out. We're not talking da, da, da. And we're the worst offender. I don't know what it is. If it's hypocrisy, if it's projection, it's.
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A
I think you genuinely, in your mind, think that you dislike small talk, but once you get a taste of it, it's like crack cocaine.
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B
Here's my thing. I find weird stuff interesting. And so.
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A
Oh, I know.
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So I'll ask a question because I'm just like, I want to know this little bitty part about it, but you can't ask that little bitty part without the full context coming out. And so what I need to do is deny my curiosity and just stick with not asking the unanswered question.
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A
I mean, so anyway, that's verbal small talk that I'm on the permanent record here at this podcast, I think from very few, few episodes of being against. You're on the record of being against it while being the worst offender, while torturing me. I know, all the time. But the digital small talk, and it comes in all forms, text messages, emails, and dms. Like, I just feel like sometimes there's Just a lot of digital small talk that's unnecessary. And I find myself sometimes in text exchanges with people where I'm sending the signals of a thumbs up, like, heart. Like thumbs upping the message. Not even a heart, a thumbs up. And trying to get the conversation to come to a conclusion. And it just keeps firing up. It just. I mean, they're raring to go and they're wanting to have this whole digital small talk conversation. And I. I'm so uninterested in it. I just. I. I can't. I can't do it anymore. I'm just at the end of my ropes with. With small talk, both verbal and digital.
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Yeah, I do. I think especially with DMs and stuff, people sending you reels.
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I quit checking DMs. It just in general, because I felt like. I feel like sometimes I like to, you know, sometimes a little. Okay, I like a little bit of digital communication. But once it's come to a conclusion, it needs to conclude it's people who keep the small talk going. But then when I get to my phone after we're filming or I'm working on a design project, I've got all these emails, I have text messages, and then it just seems so daunting to go to the DM box.
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B
Yeah.
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And it's just a whole nother set of shit that I had to check. And so I've just. I'm taking a DM vacation.
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B
Good for you.
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A
Yeah. I mean, sometimes I'll open up, like, the top three.
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B
Yeah.
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But everybody in my family jokes around now because we have a family dm, you know, in. In Instagram. And now they're all like, mom never checks her DMS anymore, and you didn't see this meme or that meme. And I'm just like. I'm just kind of out. I'm out on them, and nobody's sliding into my DMs.
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B
No sliding for you.
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A
All right. Welcome to I've Had It. I'm Jennifer.
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B
I'm Angie. Hbic.
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A
Kylie. What's going on with the lesbians?
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D
The lesbians are good. We're keeping it gay out here.
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A
Excellent.
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I've got two reviews for you today, and this first one is five stars titled My Husband said He'd Marry Jennifer. And Gambit writes, my husband confessed he'd marry Jennifer in a heartbeat. And I can't even be mad because same pumps is my spirit animal. Jennifer is my husband's backup plan. And together they deliver the perfect cocktail of wit, rage, and hilarity. Jennifer And Pumps don't just host a podcast. They run the emotional support hotline for modern adulthood. Thank you for ruining every other podcast for us.
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B
That is really exciting.
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A
That's so nice. High praise. What's so great to know is if Josh and this hypochondria continue, right? I can just go till just. We can jump into this. And it wouldn't be a throuple with you and there'd be a quadruple.
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B
No, but here's the deal. Maybe you could switch her for Josh. Like, you could take.
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A
I wouldn't do that to her. She might be like.
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B
She might be loving the nerve. What's it, Florence Nightingale? She might just be all up in.
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A
That with the hypochondria. I don't know. You know, he said he was gonna go get a hearing test. I haven't asked the results. Have you asked him?
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B
No, I was gonna ask him because I've been having headaches cause of my eyes. And I was gonna ask him if maybe his headaches were because of his eyes. But I thought. I mean, I literally thought in my head, if Jennifer heard that I asked about this, she would murder me if it gave him one more reason to bitch about his headaches.
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Didn't Kylie? Who else?
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Okay, we've got five stars titled Five Stars and they write. I listen to each show, and my husband will often look at me and.
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A
Say, are you crying?
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D
I don't know why this show makes me so emotional. It's so refreshing to hear real conversations between smart, respectable women. Sometimes I feel like an alien in this country. So thank you, ladies.
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A
That's so nice. That goes back to what Pumps was saying about feeling like we're getting, like, mass abused right now.
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B
We are.
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And when you hear empathy or, you know, people being open mindedness and advocating for all of the people that this administration is bullying, you know, it's just. It's something we just have to continue to do. It's so important that we keep the culture of that alive during this. And never obey in advance.
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No, no, no, no. And have you noticed an uptick on, you know, people being ugly to other people? Like, you're not an American. Speak English if you want to live in America. I feel like I'm seeing that more because Trump not only is doing that, but he's emboldening other people to be horrible people.
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A
All right, let's move along and let's discuss with the listener what happened at the dog school yesterday.
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B
Oh, God. Why do you have to bring that?
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I'll set it up. I'll set it up. Pumps and I both send our dogs to doggy daycare because we run America's top DEI podcast, have our pulse on America, and are ready to advise Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer whenever they're ready how they can turn the ship around. Nonetheless, the dogs go to the dog school. I have two Frenchies. Pumps has two Frenchies and a shaved Siberian husky, which is not to be confused with her vagina, which, for the long term, listeners will know that sometimes those things are interchangeable. I forgot about that shaved Siberian husky. The actual dog and the shaved Siberian husky, your beaver. And anyway, so we go, both go to pick up the dogs at the same time. And my dogs like her a lot. Her dogs like me a lot. And so they hadn't seen each other, and the dogs have been to school together, but they all come out and they're all super excited. And I'm petting on her dogs. She's petting on my dogs. And then we walk outside, and it's kind of rush hour at the doggy daycare, and there's this really nice woman who's a really good pet owner. She's a good American. She's a real American.
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She's a patriot.
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She's probably a patriot, and not in the obnoxious, fake kind of way, but she just. I mean, she looked like a pretty earnest person.
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B
She was so nice.
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She didn't deserve what happened.
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No.
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A
So we're outside, and Pumps and I, of course, are like two bulls in a china shop, just still yakking and talking. And we'd been together the whole day, but we're still yakking. And all of a sudden, her French bulldog, Oliver Glizzard, violently attacks the dogs of the aforementioned nice, normal woman. And. And he doesn't just like. I mean, he. It's a Napoleon complex. These dogs are five times the size of him, and he is just being a total ass twat. Oh, it's horrible. It goes crazy. He goes crazy. So then we get him back together with Pumps, and she's. Oh, my God, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. So this woman and I were parked by each other. So then we start walking over again. Oliver escapes again.
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B
He takes out of his leash, and.
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He goes and goes in for the second attack on these dogs. And then her puppy is running into the street, and there's about seven people at this point involved.
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B
It was so terrible.
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And then tell them what happened when you got to. To the doggy. Daycare this morning.
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Okay, first of all, it was absolutely horrible. Like, I'm getting sweaty just thinking about it now. It was so horrible. Anyway, so I pick him up. Like I have him in a chokehold. Not a chokehold, but I. A bear hug when I walk him in. I left the other two dogs in the car and I walk him in. Here comes the girl that works at dog school that doesn't like him. And I know she doesn't like him. And here's the deal. I don't blame her. If I worked at dog school, I too would not like him. But she's kind of no nonsense. She walks out and she's like, we're gonna have to make some changes about Oliver. And I was like, I 100% know. Inexcusable. I'm so sorry. I'll bring him in holding him or I'll bring him in on a harness. Cause he was on a leash and not a harness. And it was horrible. I had to text the owners and apologize. I mean, it's just been. And I was like, really upset about it. I mean, I'm even considering like the three week ship him off to training thing. I mean, it was. It was bad. It was bad.
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Yeah, it was really bad. Yeah, it was really bad. It was. It was. I think he's acting out.
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B
That's just kind of how he acts around other dogs. I told you he did that to that neighbor, my neighbor in the neighborhood where he knocked him down off of his feet.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, so that leads me to. I just want to. I want to highlight potential dog goals. And what I have here is a story I want to share with everyone, okay? That there is this Frenchie in China, okay? And he goes viral for collecting plastic bottles. And shops even save their containers for him to go get the plastic bottles. And this dog earns money each month, including income from his online videos. And they range between $420 to DOL dollars. So this Frenchie has pretty much the same DNA as Oliver Glizzard. And I just want you. I want to show you all the video. And for listener, I'll just. I'll describe what. What you see.
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This French bulldog earns over a thousand yuan per month collecting plastic bottles. His name is Xiaobai, which means Lil White. When he was six months old, he picked up a plastic bottle and a stranger gave him a small piece of meat for it. So then he started a lifelong interest in bottles. His owner, Mr. Zhang, takes him on walks around the neighborhood in Guangzhou, Canton Province. And Although Lil white started it, Mr. Zhang encouraged this behavior by rewarding him. As they walk, Lil White finds and grabs bottles and brings them back to his owner's burlap sack. He collects bottles three times a day, morning, noon, and evening, for about 20 to 30 minutes each time. Some neighborhood shops will leave bottles out just for Lil White. And now he's five and a half years old, and he's already become an online sensation on Douyin, too. It's reported that Lil White can earn yuan per month from bottles and an additional 2,000 yuan per month from sharing videos online. But he doesn't seem to understand the numbers. Well, Mr. Zhang said he didn't expect Little White to become so popular. He just wanted to film his hard work for fun. But now that he's making money, he plans to spend it to rescue and feed stray animals.
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So, I mean, I just. I love this type of post.
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B
I do, too.
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A
And I love that. That Little White is so ambitious.
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B
I do, too.
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A
You know, and he goes out and he gets his little plastic bot, and the owner just wanted to film him so he could show off what a good little worker Little White was. And here we have Little White that's out there. You know, I talk to my dogs about this all the time. I'm like, look, guys, I've been on Instagram, and we've got Frenchies that are skateboarding, we have Frenchies that are surfing, we have Frenchies that are doing all sorts of activities. And so today after school, I think it'd be fun to share with him about Lil White, who earns his keep. You know, I mean, he's a working dog, both as an influencer and as a custodian and. And a recyc.
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B
Yeah, I mean, he's. He's for everyone. And I just. It makes me realize how bad Ollie is if you can get a Frenchie to do all that. Yeah, I don't. I mean, I've got a real problem on my hands. There's no doubt about it.
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A
Well, I just. I. I think you need to be a pack leader. That's what I was saying. What have I been saying ever since?
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B
No, I know, but I don't. Here's the thing. I was so out of. By the time I got him around, like, I couldn't. I should have probably disciplined the car, but I was just. My heart was racing so fast that I probably let it. I mean, not probably. I did just.
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A
So there were no consequences for the double attack.
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B
No, because I was just so relieved to get him in the car and drive off that I was like, I mean, I seriously, my heart rate was up, my heart was pounding. So, no, he thinks I'm rewarding this behavior.
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A
Okay, one more story. Our listeners of the podcast are going to love this. You know, we, we make claims all the time and then the science seems to catch up with. I've had it. Y' all know, we've claimed for a long time the following people who constantly hate on everyone and everything are high IQ individuals. So, listeners, we've been saying shit. Talking together and hating on shit is a bonding experience. And we always thought we and our listeners were smart. Researchers found that individuals who frequently express dissatisfaction often display advanced critical thinking skills. The report indicates that these individuals tend to analyze situations, data deeply noticing flaws and inconsistencies that others overlook. While their behavior is often perceived as negative, scientists argue it may stem from heightened awareness and intelligence. And to that I will say, guilty as charged. Listener, the hot book of the summer. Oops, I have it the wrong way. Take two. Listener. The hot book of the summer is now the cool book of the fall. It is in Trump's America. I can tell you with absolute certainty the best book that has ever been written. And believe me, a lot of people are talking about it.
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B
Everybody's talking about it.
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A
Everybody's talking about it. It took us one day to write it on day one because we took.
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B
A cognitive test and it was book write done.
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Yeah.
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A political commentator, Sirius xm, host and son of a Franciscan brother and Catholic nun. That's fascinating. Let's welcome to I've had it. John Fugelsang.
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E
Hello. What a great pleasure. Thanks for having me.
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A
Hi. Hi.
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Hi. I just wanna say that that study, that smart people complain more, that study was garbage. Okay? I found so many flaws in it. I'm just. I am so hung up on just what a shoddy piece of work that was. And I'm happy to complain about it for the entire interview. Really bad scholarship. I mean, I found so much wrong with it.
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A
Welcome. Exactly. All right, John. So we like to obviously talk and so right out of the gates we just want to ask you, what have you had it with?
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E
Oh my God. Well, this book is about how I've had it with right wing Christians.
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A
Oh, God.
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Their movement has anything to do with the actual teachings of Jesus. The. The full title of my book is Separation of Church and Hate. A Sane Person's Guide to Taking Back the Bible from Fundamentalist Fascists and Flocks Fleecing Frauds. Because as you mentioned, I was raised by a couple of Ex clergy. I was taught to believe that Christianity was about the stuff, you know, Jesus talked about. Love, empathy, service to others, uplifting the less fortunate, fighting for the marginalized, pay your taxes, welcome the stranger individuals and nations, care for the poor, care for the sick, he commands it. Matthew 20:5. Don't execute people, don't trust people, praying in public to be seen. All the stuff Jesus talks about. And a lot of us were raised believing it was a movement about empathy and love. And we grow up and it's become this right wing clique that's tax free and fights to persecute gay and trans people, fights to persecute migrants, fights to criminalize abortion, none of which are anything Jesus ever talked about. And we got a whole generation of people who were raised religious and now consider themselves spiritual because they're turned off to the hypocrisy of mean, cruel right wing religious people. Kids aren't abandoning religion because of God or Jesus or Santa Claus or Noah's Ark. They're doing it because of these douchebags with a mouthful and a heart full of hate. And it's embarrassing. I got tired of seeing my parents religion used as a cloaking device for all this mediocrity and cruelty. So I wrote a book about, for both atheists and believers, about all the issues that divide us and how if you are arguing with a Christian fundamentalist or a nationalist, even if you're an atheist, Jesus is probably on your side. And it's all the arguments the right wing uses and why on policy after policy, they use this Jesus as a prop to get elected. They'll worship him, but they do not follow him. And if they're going to try and force their narrow right wing version of Christianity on all of us in our public schools and our airwaves, we're allowed to call them out for not really following Jesus. They're devoted to a lot of crap they pretend he said, but the actual stuff he said that they call woke. And I'm sick of it. And that's why Donald Trump is president. And so I wrote a whole book about it. And it's not about hate, it's about how to actually use humor, nonviolence and the damn Bible. Because it's time to thump Bible thumpers with the Bible and take it back to the nice people.
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So are you a follower or an atheist?
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I am not an atheist. I do believe in God. I even identify with his mood swings. How could I not believe in God? You got to blame somebody, am I right? But I used to When I was a kid, brag about how Christian I was and now I say I aspire to be a Christian because it ain't that easy. Jesus whole movement is about humility and picking up your cross and alienating your society because you're going to fight so hard for the marginalized. That's the whole message. It's not about total right wing domination of your school board.
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I want to offer an alternative here. So I was raised by atheists in the buckle of the Bible belt and I don't need a book full of contradictions to inform my sense to fight for the marginalized.
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You do not.
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You don't have to have. I feel like sometimes more than anything when I talk to Christians I have to have such a regressive conversation.
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I agree.
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They believe in this Iron Age thinking wherein the God of the Old Testament. I mean that guy was a real freak.
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I mean the fundamentalists believe this. Yeah, the liberal and moderate Christians are just out there not being a dick to people. But the fundamentalists of all the world's religions believe in the angry alcoholic step God who hates you. Yeah, I'm sick of it, man. I'm so tired of it. And you're right. But you see, atheists are right. You don't need a book of rules to tell be a good person. But the reality is this is our society and the entire history of Christianity since the Romans took it over and it stopped being the brown skinned Jewish carpenter's message of love and acceptance for the poor and became an imperial religion that will dominate and slaughter people. But it's okay because we'll force you to be Christian and then you're saved. Let me ask you one thing. Go ahead, please.
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So you know how everybody, like all the Christian nationalists, their big thing is like we're Judeo Christian values. And you know, because they can't sell Israel under the bus, so it's always like Judeo Christian values, Judeo Christian values, we have to maintain them. And I'm like, that is such a bizarre thing to not evolve. Every other form of study evolves and changes and gets better. And so like in my opinion, like the Ten Commandments, there's a lot more that can be added to that that don't involve God's ego. It feels like this desire to conserve this Iron Age mindset, that's authoritarianism, right? That law and psychology and everything else we should evolve past. I think the same thing about the Constitution, you know, like we haven't amended it in a very long time. I think it's crazy that South Dakota has two senators and they have not very many people there. And then California has two senators. And so I just think that whenever we're trying to hold these rigid things in place, when we have evolved and we have more studies.
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Right.
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Data.
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But they're both the same. The electoral college and organized religion are both examples of how the minority controls the majority and uses sacred texts that can never be questioned to control the majority. It's the same thing. It's all authoritarianism and it's all bullshit because it's all the opposite of the stuff Jesus talked about. They want to say Judeo Christian values not because they care about Jews. Half of these people are rapture files who want the tribulations to come where half the Jews will die and the other half will forcibly be made to convert. They love Jews that much. They don't care about that. And they say Judeo Christian in many cases because they kind of prefer some of them Old Testament laws over all that love and acceptance of Jesus. These are the guys who quote Leviticus to justify cruelty to gay people, even though that's the book God gave the Hebrews when they were escaping bondage. Jesus brings a new covenant. You get to eat bacon now. You don't have to be mean to gay people. But again, they'll pick and choose the parts of the Bible they want to follow, which everyone does. But the fundamentalists do it to justify cruelty. And I got to remind them ten times a day on my SiriusXM show, Leviticus 20:10 commands you to stone adulterers to death. I'll let you work that out with Donald Trump.
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Right.
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I'll let the Secret Service know you and your rocks are on your way. They don't believe it. They weaponize parts of books they don't believe in to hurt a minority that Jesus commands them to love.
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I completely agree. I was raised evangelical and I'll my.
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She made it out.
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I made it out.
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Right on.
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But I what upsets me most from a personal level is the lack of empathy I see in family members. And when I say what would Jesus do in this situation? And it's an immediate, oh well, he'd be for this. And I'm just like, that's exactly opposite. So what do you attribute that to and what is your response to that? Trying to change it.
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I attribute that to two things. They don't read the Bible and they're counting on you not having read the Bible and that's it. Because Jesus of the Bible was a peaceful, radical, non violent Revolutionary, hung around with lepros, hookers and crooks, never spoke English, was not American, was anti wealth, anti death penalty, anti public prayer, Matthew 6:5. But never anti gay, never anti abortion, never called poor people lazy, never fought for tax cuts for wealthy Nazarenes, never said torture is okay in some situations. He was a long haired, brown skinned. That's a revelation. Brown skinned, homeless, community organizing, unarmed, anti slut, shaming authority, questioning authority, challenging Palestinian, liberal Jew. But that's only if you believe what's really in the Bible. So anyone who's trying to link Donald Trump to Jesus, they haven't read the Jesus parts because the only way you can follow both Trump and Jesus is if you haven't read either of their books. Those guys have nothing in common except they spent a lot of time around prostitutes and they both used ghostwriters. That's it.
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Let's talk about the part about Jesus speaking out against the accumulation of wealth, number one. And the second part of that is him speaking out against public religiosity. Because these are the two things that as an atheist raised around this, I've never found anything about Christianity attractive. My mother made sure I wasn't indoctrinated, made sure my mind stayed open. And every Christian I met just further exacerbated my secularness. And the two things that all Christians that I've met that are Americans in this part of the country we live in Oklahoma, seem to have in common is a worship of wealth and overt religiosity, public religiosity. It's very well known in Oklahoma or Texas. When you meet somebody, well, what church do you go to? They think it's their business. It's a very toxic culture where people.
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Don'T mind their own business. Yeah, yeah. I grew up half Southern, half Brooklyn. I'm very used to it as well. I'm a fan of the show, by the way, ladies, I'm like total fanboy for the YouTube Rock Stars right now. It's really fun to be on here, you know, look, the Bible has a lot to say about poverty. It bluntly commands generosity and justice and compassion towards the poor. And it doesn't ask nicely. God commands lending to the poor without expecting repayment, without ever causing interest, was causing interest, charging interest on the poor that made Jesus do the whole temple freak out. In Moses's law, you have to have a jubilee year every 50 years where all debts are forgiven to reset economic inequality. I mean, Jesus commands individuals and nations to care for the Poor in Matthew 6. 5 and says that Individuals and nations will be judged, heaven or hell, by how well they care for the poor and the sick and how well they welcome the stranger. And you know, throughout, Jesus warns you about these people who pray in public to be seen. He's not against praying in church, but Matthew 6. Five, he warns you to not trust anybody who prays in public on the street corners so they can be looked at. I think about this whenever I see, you know, Mike Johnson on his knees in the well of the house. The guy could have gone into the back room and prayed with these other congressmen and private, tastefully. But they don't want that. They want to show off. They want public displays of piety. Jesus literally says in Matthew 6 that when you pray, go in private and pray to your father in secret. And that's what he says right before he teaches the words of the Our Father. They don't teach that in Christian school. And again, I think if you're opposing Christian nationalists, fall back on Jesus. That's it. Don't fight them. Make them argue with the Bible. Jesus and God command us to welcome the stranger. God. God commands us in the Old Testament to treat the alien as one of our own. And Christ says that nations will be judged heaven or hell by how they welcome the stranger. So when your Uncle Racist is over, just say to Uncle Racist, why should I listen to you and Donald Trump and ignore God and Jesus?
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This is why I think politicians like Andy Bershear of Kentucky or James Talarico from Texas are going to have so much credibility reminding these rural and suburban religious folk what they're supposed to advocate for. And I think that they are such credible messengers. They're not gonna listen to me. I'm a, you know, crazy atheist.
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Listen to me. I'm a comic. Yeah.
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But those two messengers in the Democratic Party right now, I think are some of our most important voices. And what impresses me so much about each of them is some Democrats, centrist Democrats, have flirted with throwing trans people under the bus.
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Oh, yes, they have.
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And neither Talarico nor has Andy Bershear done that. In fact, they have said, my faith instructs me to accept them. My faith instructs me not to judge them. But I wanted to ask you this. So we had Charlie Kirk's funeral, and obviously everybody knows nobody likes gun violence. Most of all, liberals were not into guns or gun violence.
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You like how they're blaming the woke. Gun control.
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Yeah. You've never shot a gun in my life.
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I'd love to hear a Democrat point that out.
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Did you hear how they were signaling? I think that what a lot of these Republican Christian nationalist politicians do, John, is they Christian signal. They say the Lord this or Jesus that and they Christian signal so that they can disguise the fact that they're advocating for the accumulation of wealth and for, you know, fucking a lot of people over. Yeah, but at that funeral, I can't remember which speaker it was, but he was like, and the Lord put this person in this cabinet position. The Lord put this person in that cabinet position. And the Lord made sure the bullet missed Donald Trump.
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Blaspheming. Blaspheming.
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It's just, it's so the Lord wanted.
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That poor bastard behind Trump to catch a bullet in the head in front of his kids. That's what they're saying. The Lord wanted Corey, whose name they've already forgotten. They can't remember that guy's name. Just like Benghazi, they need. They forget the corpses when they're no longer useful. When anyone says that, they are saying God wanted that man to die in front of his kids so Trump could come here and rape USAID to kill thousands of kids overseas. That's the message they're giving. There is no right wing Christian argument for any of this. And you're so right about the funeral and you're so right about Talarico and I would also add Buttigieg and of course Reverend Senator Warnock to that list. They're. They're really on it. You don't have to believe in the Bible as literal fact to call these people out on their crap. And atheists can do this. A lot of atheists who have family like this that they still love do this all the time. In the case of the transgender people, I mean, literally, Jesus's whole message is to uplift the less fortunate, right? That, that you know, however you're born, it's not your fault. And maybe you're born a certain way so God can reveal miracles through you. I hate to get all conclave and. But that's what's in the book. So, like real masculinity is not beating up on a powerless minority with a high suicide rate. Real masculinity is uplifting the marginalized and being strong for them, which is also a great feminine trait as well. But their whole deal is power. They don't give a rat's ass about the teachings of Jesus. They don't care about religious freedom. They don't care about Satan. They don't care about abortion. I'm talking to politicians now. They don't care about abortion. They don't care about illegal immigration. They care about power. That's it. That's the creed. You know, like if they wanted abortion to end, let's have more birth control, let's have more sex ed, let's grab the numbers. They don't want it. They want the controversy. You want border crossings to stop? Start locking up every white person who hires an illegal immigrant. White people. Put the help wanted sign at our border, Start putting them in jail. We never do that because we need this workforce. So they're not serious about anything. They just want power. And Donald Trump seduced the right. Not by promising to do anything. Jesus. Did you ever hear Donald Trump talk about I'll help the poor like Jesus Cabez? You ever hear Turning Point USA talk about the importance of helping the poor? No, it's all about power. They don't care about Christ. They care about conservative Christian domination. That's their real religion. And so it's really easy to call them out because they're frauds. They don't use the book. And I wrote this book. So even if you don't believe in the Bible, you'll know on whatever topic, feminism, immigration, abortion, the exact lies they tell to assume this control over our culture. If more of us could call this BS out, they wouldn't have this as armor and you wouldn't be able to have this lecherous adulterous stealing from vets with a fraud online university, having cops beaten for a lie on the Capitol steps, clown with all of his makeup like an old tragic drag queen. As president, he got it. Because our Christians don't give a rat's ass about what Christ said. But a lot of Christians do. And a lot of atheists are better Christians than the so called Christians because they're fighting for the least of us.
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I agree with that. When have you been able to figure out when God and guns became synonymous? Okay, I don't understand that.
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I do a whole chapter about this and about violence and about toxic masculinity and the ones who worship, you know, dude, bro, Jesus, the scraps, you know, Alpha Bros for Christ. It really, I think in the 1970s, it really began when guys like Jerry Falwell, before they had latched onto criminalizing abortion, which again, the Bible never forbids. But that's how they took over the party and they began to associate gun ownership with good stewardship, with good citizenship. That it wasn't just a right, it was an obligation for good people to do. And I'm not against owning guns. I think most guns and ammunition should be free for American women and maybe for altar boys too. But what we've gotten instead is this corrosive culture where there's 110 guns for every hundred people in our country. And they are fighting very hard for mentally and emotionally unstable 20 something men to have easy access to products that are designed to kill lots of humans really fast. There's no Bible justification for any of this when gun violence is the number one killer of children more than car accidents or disease. And it's because the Christians won't allow an up or down vote without a filibuster on high capacity magazines. I mean, why can't we tackle a guy when he has to reload after 10 shots? Why do civilians need to fire off 30 rounds without a break? The expanded background checks, that's more popular than Christmas. 90% of us support that. We can't get an up or down vote because of the Christians. I don't want to hear from any of these guys that they're pro life when they are fighting every day to make sure the next Salvador Ramos or Robin Westman or Dylann Roof or any one of these guys can easily get their hands on military hardware and slaughter American people. It's all a business. It's all about power. They are not practicing the rules of Christ. If you care about life, if you care about children, then you want to make it a little harder for an emotionally unstable 20something white guy, because that's always who it is to easily massacre lots of Americans in a short amount of time. They're not pro life. It's all power.
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It really is. It's so gross. So one thing we're really into, that I'm really into right now, now is I have this hypothesis that in the MAGA movement, you have a bunch of emotionally stunted, broken people with inner child issues and a lot of suppressed sexuality. And we have some data coming in on this. We know that Grindr was overloaded during the rnc. We know that after Charlie Kirk's funeral, Grindr had a massive, massive usage strike. We know that podcasters, right wing podcasters like Benny Johnson gets targeted ads for gay cruises while at the same time you know, espousing, you know, Christ Kingdom and all this crazy, right?
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E
Homophobes like it both ways, don't they?
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Yeah. So I have this whole, like, I feel like there is a group of DL down low, DL demon queens in the maga movement. A lot of these men that I've identified as candidates and this is just my opinion. This is my hypothesis, and I support it. I will never obey in advance and not talk about this.
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That's why your show's great. I endorse outing people who legislate against LGBTQ citizens, by the way. Right. I do too.
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If you're gonna.
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You're an artist. And if you're an actor, you keep it in private, fine. If you're a country singer, you know, keep it. Fine. But if you're actively making life harder for trans kids, fuck you, man. Let's get your name out there.
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I agree. If you're passively in the closet, that's your business. That's not my business. But Moses Mike Johnson.
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Who?
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Jesus Never minds. Sexual sin. He minded hypocrisy.
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Exactly.
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Tell me about Mike Johnson.
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Moses Mike Johnson. Moses Mike Johnson. You know, he's the guy who said, while there's cameras running. Yeah. Well, God woke me up and he tapped me and he said, wake up, little buddy. You're going to be Moses. Then, poof. I'm speaker of the House. I mean, he's just delusional, right?
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Yeah.
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So he has.
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Or a good liar or a guy who's just playing to simpletons.
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Yeah, I actually, growing up in the Bible belt, I kind of think he legitimately thinks this. I have so many friends that have delusion about this stuff. They believe in spiritual warfare. My friends in high school, they really believe in this shit. I'm talking all this.
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Oh, they really believe that we have to arm ourselves and ignore everything Jesus said about nonviolence. For Jesus, all power insecure men.
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Moses Mike, as I like to call him, he has all these pray the gay away camps, his wife has. Pray the gay away camps, the porn tracker with his son, you know, and so, I mean, I just. If I had to bet my French bulldogs lives on it, I'm going Mike for sure.
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A hundred percent.
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Then we go on to JD Vance, who is a failed drag queen. We all have photographic evidence of that, as Pumps points out.
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Drag queens, madam, I'll have you know that I got to stand up for my people too.
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And he changed his name three times as an adult, which that's really weird. But the biggest evidence I have for him, aside from the eyeliner and us being one news cycle away from a full blown smokey eye, is that you may remember back when he was calling Trump Hitler.
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I do.
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And talking about how dangerous Trump was. And he was kind of chubby and his hair was kind of messy, not dressed too cute. And then he goes off To Peter Thiel, who we all know is a.
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Sociopathic antichrist gay man, but sexually very healthy and normal. Peter Thiel. Nothing weird about that. His hard drive must be clean. Don't worry.
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Exactly. So he goes off to what I call Peter Thiel's gay camp and then he pops back out and he looks like he got queer eyed. I mean it's just. And you can go down the list. Everybody knows Lindsey Graham is gay. So one of the things I've had it with is South Carolina, by the way. I've had it with the Republican Party acting like they don't have a bunch of gay men in their party.
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And I just don't forget Ken Melman, the RNC chair was gay and in the. In the closet. Everyone knew.
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Totally remember him.
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And that was when they were in 2004, when they were using on the ballot when George W. Bush had lied America into war and we had body bags coming home every day and had looked for sure. How could this guy get reelected? And Karl Rove made the entire reelection campaign about marriage. Is under attack.
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There's a threat, betrayed his daughter.
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Dick Cheney didn't give a damn about his daughter and sat by silently while they spread this. And it worked, right? I wasn't shocked when Trump won last year because 20 years ago we saw the example of a president who lies to Americans and Americans get killed and they reelect him anyway. Right? That's what happened in 04 with Bush after the war. That's what happened with Trump after lying to everyone through Covid. But with the homophobia. First off, you know, there's no part of the Bible you can use to say that being gay is wrong. Let me say it again. There is no part of the Bible anyone can ever use to say that being gay is wrong. Because nobody follows Leviticus, Nobody follows Deuteronomy. St. Paul's not actually talking about gay people. I point out in the book that Jesus does come out and say that gay men are born that way in Matthew 19. And I would argue I go deep on it in the book that the famous story of the Roman centurion, when Jesus heals his sick slave and the apostles are all upset. Well, why would a occupying military officer seek out a local homeless Jewish mystic faith healer to come to his home to heal a common slave? What do we know about the Romans? They left their wives at home and they took special boys on the road. And in the original Greek, the word used was not slave, it was pais, beloved boy. So Jesus, who turns nobody away, you could argue credibly healed an occupying military officer's male lover. I bet the apostles were thrilled about this. Again, homophobia is incompatible with the Sermon on the Mount. Nobody follows Leviticus. You have to stone people to death for working on Saturday. If you believe, fuck you, nascar. Right? They don't believe it. And any politician who's telling you that being gay is a choice that must be resisted probably has some experience.
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Totally.
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And it's going to be a pleasure watching this last generation of closeted, shame filled gay men die off in our lifetime. Because young people are not born programmed with this shame today.
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Yeah, I wrote a book for you. Yep.
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It's a lot. So what do you think? The realistic expectation. Expectation on how you deal with this? Like if I just plop the book on her lap?
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No, no, I don't recommend that. My book is not. My book is for people who have to deal with these people. Fundamentalists will not like this book. They will hate you for giving it to them. They will not read it. Maybe some will just to make a hateful review on Amazon, but they're not going to. Now. Conservatives are another story. I'm not talking about the haters. Just, you know, nice conservative people. Right. Like conservative Christians, they're often more liberal with kindness than actual liberals. And so throughout my book, I'm like checking in with the conservatives Christians and the atheists who are reading to make sure they're okay with all this Jesus I'm laying on you. But here's what I found out, okay? You won't convince them. You probably won't be able to talk anybody out of the Matrix. All that spiritual growth has to happen on your own. And Donald Trump's going to make it easy for a lot of them when this whole thing goes up in flames. But what I found is this. We can't hate these people, right? For most of us, they're not nationalists or fanatics. They're our relatives we speak still love. Even if they're crazy or our co workers or that douchebag from high school who can't spell your. But we're still friends on Facebook, right? Like so, like what I find is if you engage these people on what the scriptures actually say, they won't agree with you, but they may appreciate you took the time to engage them on their own turf. And if you thought, go back to the central values of what Christ was about. Not conservative Christianity, but Christ in the books and the things that Christ demands. Look, Matthew 6. 5. He lays it out. Individuals and nations. Four criteria for heaven, not hell. Take care of the poor, take care of the sick, welcome the stranger and be kind to those in prison. Nothing about screaming at women outside clinics. Nothing about hating the Muslims or believing in the talking snake or giving money to your church. It's those four criteria. And I find if you talk with them about what Christ actually said, don't fight, just ask questions. You can build a bridge there. They'll appreciate it. And I just believe you. Get farther telling your uncle that Jesus wasn't an immigrant hating homophobe and showing him in the scripture proving how Jesus was not an immigrant hating homophobe than if you just give him the finger and call your uncle an immigrant hating homophobe. Again, it's a guide for people who have to deal with these folks, okay? And spiritual growth is not to be. We met with smug liberal I told you sos, but we have to fight for them. We have to hope that they wake up out of the matrix. But we can't hate them. But we have to beat them. We have to beat them with non violence and democracy and humor. And we gotta use scripture too, because this is what they use as camouflage. The Democratic Party and the media are terrified. They will not touch religion. Y' all know it. Very few will. So it's gonna take regular folks over the dinner table, on social media, in the workplace to convince these people that hate is not a Christian value.
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I've been saying this when we started the podcast and for a very long time. America has a crazy Christian problem and the Democrats have to address it. The Republicans brought Christianity into, just like you said about Karl Rove, put it on the ballot and Dick Cheney betrayed his daughter. And I remember that so well. I had the John Kerry sign in my yard the whole nine. And I've been saying we, the Democrats have got to address that. They're the ones that brought it in. But I have to say, like I do think having credible messengers like some of the Republicans we were talking about. But I also do think that the Democrats could run somebody super secular and maybe a bluer district to start the language that, showing by example that especially if they ran against a far right winger to say, look, I don't know where this person gets all this stuff, but they're supposed to be caring about the poor and they don't. We have to start drawing people these comparisons. Stark contrast because Christian, Christian nationalism is so dangerous and it's been so detrimental to our state. We're ranked 50th in education. It's ranked 50th place in the whole United States for women to live. And what's so bizarre about this?
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Yeah, but you get, you're fixing your Ryan Waters problem. Congratulations on that.
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Governor Stitt, he's this big Bible thumping evangelical. When he won, he said, I want to dedicate every square inch of the state to, to Jesus. And since the dedication, you know, he's eroded and harmed the neediest Oklahomans and he's even refused school lunches, federal money for school lunches for children. Just unrestrained cruelty that he gets away with because he Jesus signals and Christian signals. And so many people in rural Oklahoma, the only social structure they have is their church. That's all they have. They don't have anywhere else to go except for their church.
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And they're getting smaller and young, younger people are abandoning them because of this. I'm sorry, go ahead.
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But these politicians have, have exploited them and weaponized their faith against them. And it's just, it's so tragic to see how many people vote against their interests. I remember in 2004, my husband and I were driving to, he's from a small town in Oklahoma. We were driving out there and we stopped at this rural gas station and there was this woman, she had probably about five kids. Car was a total clunker. You could tell. I mean this is well below the poverty line. Kids didn't have shoes on. And it was, I mean you could tell she was struggling, this woman, she had all these kids and the car wasn't working well and she had a Bush Cheney sticker on a car. And my husband was like, that is just fucking unbelievable.
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That's how religion does it. That's authoritarian religion. And again that is using fundamentalism. Right. That's probably because of abortion. Abortion is how they've done it for 45 years. Two generations of Christians have been raised in a country where they vote against everything Jesus ever talked about to criminalize abortion, which Jesus never talked about. I have this conversation with our MAGA brothers and sisters all the time on my Sirius XM show. I always say, give me one teaching of Christ that Donald Trump or MAGA or the Republican Party have fought for in this century. Chapter and verse, please. 1. I don't get real answers. I get abortion and I explain the Bible's not against abortion.
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Yeah.
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God asserts a fetus as property in Exodus 21 and that a woman's life has more value in his eye than a fetus. That's why Jews don't ban abortion. That's why abortion is legal and free in Israel. Right the fuck now. Jesus is against the death penalty, of course. Never mentioned abortion. They don't follow them. Second most common answer I get is, well, Trump has a strong border. I'm like, no. God and Jesus command us to welcome the stranger. You guys call them illegals. You're the no room at the end Christians. You reject God and Jesus. You're not fans of the book. You found a new messiah. He's a racist landlord from Queens. And the third answer I'll get, and this is true, I swear to God. Trump moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem.
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Yeah.
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And then I have to politely explain, at no point in the Gospels does Christ state an opinion on the United States or where their embassy should be in the year 13. It doesn't come up. It's not there. They're making shit up. They reject what Jesus commanded. They'll fight like hell for stuff they think he talked about. And that is how the Republican Party post civil rights has manipulated two generations of white people. And it's led us directly to Donald Trump. A bastardization of Christianity is how they sucked all these people by throwing out Jesus and replacing criminalizing abortion.
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I would say the bastardization of Christianity plus the worship of unrestricted capitalism, both of those things convening at the same time.
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That was 100 years ago, too. That was. That's always. That's what Jesus.
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So many Jesus people also like, they love supply side Jesus, you know, capitalist Jesus. Okay, John, I could talk to you about this forever.
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You guys are too much fun, man. I know. I'm gonna. I'm gonna bankrupt.
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I want to play a game with you. It's called had it or hit it. Oh, my God. Welcome to had it or hit it.
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I would hit it.
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Had it. I hit it every day, sometimes twice a day. John. Had it or hit it. Suburban parents.
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Let me just say I. I grew up in the suburbs, all right? And I've had it with my suburban parent friends who keep calling me all the time, and my rural parent friends just because I live in the city and say, oh, don't you feel bad that your kid doesn't get nature? Anybody live in the city, get this for all the. Don't you feel like you're cheating you're young by raising them in the city? There's no nature. Nature. Don't you wish your kid. Don't you feel like your child's gonna never know nature? And I'm like, what are you talking about? New Yorkers are around more nature than anybody. You in your comfortable suburban house, and you go into your garage and into your car, and then you go to your job or your. Or your. Your church or your school to avoid nature. You know what we do when it's 109 degrees or minus 9 degrees, or when there's a high pollen count or a hurricane or a nor' easter or a blizzard? We walk in it. We make our kids walk it. And my child gets so much nature. My kid sees more dogs in a day than yours does in a month, more rats in a day than yours does in a year, and more roaches than you will see in a lifetime. My kids, we have so much nature, we walk down the sidewalk and see poop on the ground, and we don't know what species left it. That's how much nature we have. We have so much nature, it gets into our house, so we have to hire exterminators to kill all the nature. I was in Central park with my kid, and we saw two rats eating a bagel while a duck and a raccoon watched. Don't tell me about nature. Suburban parents.
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All right. Had it or hit it. The R word.
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Oh, man. Okay, so these. These adults over the age of 14 who use the R word, there's, like, levels of cowardice and punching down and being a pathetic beta male. And then there's this. This is why Lenny Bruce died. So dude bros with a podcast could say, really? Wow. You Free speech heroes, you. I worked in special ed. Okay. I paid my way through college doing special ed. And a lot of people in your show probably have folks who have developmental disabilities or developmental delays or whatever tasteful words we're using to describe people born differently in this decade, right? These cowardly bitches who are coming out there saying, retard, retard. Retard. You know, making their friends laugh. And you see this in comedy clubs too. Like making fun of the homeless, right? Like punching down. Punching down on developmentally disabled kids by using us slur. And here's the deal. None of these cowards would ever use that word if they were at the Special Olympics. They wouldn't say it at the Special Olympics because deep down they know it is a shitty ableist, punk ass choice.
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No, I agree. When people you pumps and I have this conversation a lot where. When people use the N word in safe spaces where they know they can use it, but they wouldn't use it around a black person, that person knows they're fucking racist. We know a mutual racist. And she's like, no, this person doesn't think they're racist. I'm like, if they don't think it's racist, they would say it in front of black people. This person knows for sure that she's a racist. If you can discern when and where to use it, you know, it's wrong in my opinion. And we have to hold them accountable.
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Correct. And I'll fight. I'll fight for their right to say it. I'm not a fan of censorship. You know, go ahead and say it. White people want to say the N word in public. You all go right ahead. The market will decide. That's all I can. But, but yeah, I mean, it's just punching down, man. It's really lame. And I'm trying to make a list of all the great men in history who use the word as a slur. And so far I'm stuck on number one. It's just punk ass behavior, man. Just be better, guys.
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Yeah, okay. Had it or hit it? Tylenol.
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I don't even know. I mean, I, I, I, I, I'll hit Tylenol because I've had it and I didn't, I didn't give birth to anything wrong. My God. They really. This is how bad they want to distract from covering up child rape and sex trafficking.
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Right?
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That's all I can say, man. RFK is out there talking about health and he's breathing and sounds like Darth Vader's sleep apnea machine. I mean, my God. You notice how it's not easy to make Dr. Oz look embarrassed, but the other day, Dr. Oz looked as embarrassed as I looked that time I had to interview Dr. Oz on TV. I mean, they're going after Tylenol. How much of these guys hate pregnant women? Exactly.
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And I think it's so sad for People. People with autism. The unspoken thing that's going on right here is a lot of MAGA parents, liberal parents, apolitical parents, have kids that have autism.
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Correct.
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This administration is actively demonizing this. That something that has to be prevented and something that they want to make a registry for. And that's the underreported part of this.
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We're gonna make you extinct.
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We're just humanizing people that have autism right now. The government is.
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They are. We found the cure to you. And again, these godless motherfuckers lied about it being vaccines for so long because they punched down. But this statement about Tylenol, it wasn't just deeply insulting to pregnant women around the world. It was profoundly insulting to autistic kids, autistic teens, autistic parents. Everybody out there who's getting great grades in school or working and paying the rent and being functioning members of society. But they're different. And we know that fundamentalists are afraid of things they don't understand. It was a gigantic fuck you to say that all the autistic Americans, that something's wrong with you. But we think we found the cure.
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Right?
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We can't fix you, but we'll fix others. Coming before and again, man, it's just like, it's all to distract from child rape. You will not hear them talk about Tylenol again. They will not try to ban Tylenol for pregnant women. This guy's programming a reality show. And if we're talking about whatever stupid fucking thing he said yesterday, we're not talking about the Epstein tapes. That's all it's about. Tylenol's going nowhere.
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I was just gonna say. And of all the drugs, I mean, Tylenol is the one everybody wants the least. Like, if you hurt yourself. I mean, it's like, if I, like, spraying my ankle or am I at the gym? And I'm like, God, a girlfriend. I'll be like, hey, bring me an aspirin or whatever, and she brings the Tylenol. I'm like, I don't even know if I'm gonna swallow it. I mean, it's just so much work. So I'm just like, all the things.
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And again, as I'm sure your listeners know, I mean, Advil was created in 1955. Autism was first diagnosed and separated from schizophrenia in 1911. Yeah, I mean, these guys are idiots, and they can't do.
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And it's cruel. The conversations to all of our listeners that either, you know, have autism or have family members or loved ones that's the unspoken thing that I want to give you guys a shout out because that's the cruelty of this administration. All right, had it or hit it. This is the last one. Had it or hit it. Church camp.
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Church camp. You know, I. Oh. I want to give you a decisive answer on it, but I can't. I've never been to church camp. My parents didn't want me going to stuff like that. My parents were big on Gandhi and DOROTHY Day and Dr. King, not so much. You know, being told that Jesus likes you better because you put a tree up in your house once a year. So I hesitate because I'm sure there's a lot of great church camps out there that aren't shitty. So I'll. I'll say. I'll say. I'll. I'll hit it.
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I have an alternate, so I don't want to judge.
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I don't want to judge large groups of people I know nothing about. That's how you know I don't vote for Trump.
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Yeah, no, I agree. I agree. There's a lot of church camp stuff in Oklahoma.
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Oh, yeah.
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And there, of course, whenever you have religious organizations and children, you know what accuses what. What happens. The.
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You're talking to a Catholic. You're talking. That vow is celibacy. Let me tell you, the first pope, St. Peter was married. All the priests and popes and bishops could marry for over a thousand years. Pope Innocent II. Innocent II made celibacy of the law at 1139 A.D. not because sex was bad, not because Christ was a bachelor. The church didn't want priests leaving land and wealth to their kids. It's all about weed. Couples taking marital advice from men in dresses is not based on anything that Jesus ever talked about.
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B
That's interesting.
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A
John. I think you're. I think you are such an important messenger right now. I want all of our listeners to go get your book, Separation of Church and Hate. I myself am going to get it.
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B
I am, too.
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A
I'm excited because I just hit.
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E
We just hit the New York Times bestseller list for the second time.
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Congratulations.
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And we're number eight on Amazon today. I'm coming for you, Kamala. I'm coming for you. I'm seven behind you, Kamala. I'd love to send you guys copies of the book because I am a fan of the show. I subscribe, and I love what y' all do.
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A
I love it. Okay, well, thank you so much. I love that there's a place for me to align with radical, caring Christians, because in the Bible Belt. I've always been like the Satan atheist, even though I think I'm a much better Christian than all of my Christian friends.
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E
Some of the best Christians I've ever known have been atheists. And some of the most godless heathens have been pious, loud believers. You're in good company. And I'd love to have you guys come on the Sirius XM show some evening, too.
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A
I would love it.
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Talk about the very fine work y' all do. I consider this to be a ministry. You guys are so funny and so tight and you keep it so balanced between politics and culture. It's really, really. I, I just admire how you structure the whole show.
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A
Thank you. That's such high praise.
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B
Yes.
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A
All right, well, have a great day with all of the nature surrounding you in New York City. And now we will happily come on your show.
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E
And this was such a joy right now. Thank you. Nice and peace to your listeners. Peace.
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A
But by. Well, he's just as sharp as attack God.
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B
I love him. And you know what's so funny is he knows more Bible verses and application than 90% of the people in Bible study.
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A
There's no question.
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And I've done the field research on that. I know, including myself, who was in it.
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I mean, that he's very smart and I think that he's onto something that you and I have been talking about and it's. We have to address the crazy Christian problem. Absolutely. It has got to be addressed because now they're, they're mainstreaming it. I mean, these, I mean, that Charlie Kirk funeral was the most terrifying thing I've ever seen. To see all of the entire president's cabinet engaging in all of that spiritual warfare talk.
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Oh, yeah. I mean, Paula White's at the White House selling, you know, blessings or whatever for $1000 it the grift. And how like in the White House above the Oval Office, that's how separation of church and state we are.
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Okay, listen, John has a top selling book that's on the list. Ours is not on the list because we've done the math on it and we have a lot of subscribers, both audio and YouTube. And the sales are good. But we want to be on that fucking list.
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B
Or get banned.
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A
Yeah, or we want our book to be banned by the Trump administration. So please, listeners, go to the click the link and bio. Buy John's book, but also buy your mama's book. All right? Life is a lazy Susan of shit sandwiches, pumps.
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B
Tell them we will see you next Tuesday and Thursday. I'll tell you what I've had it with.
- [74:20]
A
Let's hear it. I've had it with that. Listen up patriots, gaytriots and natriots. We have a new podcast that has dropped. It's called I hip news. It's Monday through through Friday. Every day, 15 to 20 minute hot takes on the political landscape of the United States of America. Always served with a side of petty grievances.
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B
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- [74:50]
A
Please go rate, subscribe and review so that we will chart upwards with America's greatest legal mind pumps puppets. What does an eagle say? Caca. A little bit more enthusiasm. That's it. That's, that's, that's the patriotism that this country needs right there.
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E
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