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Hey, what's up, friend? And welcome back to the Japan Chavez Leadership Podcast. I'm praying that this new content is a blessing to you and a blessing for you, for your teams, whether you're a church leader or just a leader in your own space. Organizational leader. I'm praying that this is helping you again. Make sure to like, make sure to subscribe, make sure to do all the things. Share this with your social media fam. If it is a blessing to you. Last week we started talking about systems. And I talked about how the culture of the organization is the feeling, it's the emotion, it's the. It's the guts of the church. But the systems are the mind and the thinking and the mindset of the church. I talked about how there's a lot of entrepreneurs or a lot of pastors who are very sincere, but they're not systematic. We have got to grow in our system. So the system is what serves the vision, the system is what serves the mission. The system is what serves the culture. And we've got to have both. So we talked about how the system serves the vision. We talked about that last week. And again, all that is on last week's talk. You can go back and hear more about systems and the introduction of it. But we're really in part two now, and I want to talk about how systems should be constantly reevaluated. Every system should be constantly reevaluated. Let's start here. The system is not sacred. The system is not sacred. You are not your system. You are your culture. But the culture, who you are, can only go as far as the system. And so one author said it something like this, I'm butchering it. I didn't write it down in my notes. But something along the lines are, you don't rise to the level of your intentions. You drop to the level of your systems. And so we all have great intentions, especially as leaders, want to help people, want to grow, want to do things. If you've got an entrepreneurial spirit, you want to. You want to go further and higher and faster and all those things. But you're always going to drop to the level of your systems. And so when I say you are not your system, what I want to say is don't hold too tight to the system because the systems should be constantly changing and morphing and shifting. And what I've learned is when someone. Check this out. When someone is too attached to their systems, that is a sign of an unhealthy culture. Well, we've always done it this way. Well, it's always been this way. Systems are not sacred. The message is sacred. The mission should be sacred, the vision should be sacred. But the systems, they are not sacred. The systems should be constantly being reevaluated, challenged, pressed for what's best for right now. So never hold on too tight to a system. And when you have a team member that's too attached to a system, you've got to address that. Now, the system, never about your preference or what is best for you. The system is always about what is best for the vision and the mission. Like in my case, God, I'd love to do a 1:10am service, go three hours, have revival, see you next week. We can't do that. We can't do that and reach this community. We can't do that and grow. It would be fun for a few people. And by the way, it'd only be fun for a while. Those 3 hour 10am Services, they don't last long. Y' all know what I like. It doesn't go long. So I love the Holy Spirit and I love that kind of ministry. And man, I love having a good old fashioned Holy Ghost service. That's a broken system, by the way. That system, that 1990s charismatic renewal system. I don't know if it ever worked, but it definitely doesn't work now. It's broken. People who try to keep that going, their ministries are dying or are dead or on life support. We're not cultivating that. That's not a system that works. Multiple services is a system that works to reach people, period. It's a system. So the system's never about my preference. Excuse me. The system is never about what's best for me. The system's about what's best for the organization. So you don't approach systems with, how is this most convenient for me? You approach systems with, how do we best serve the vision? Every system should be constantly reevaluated, constantly scrutinized. This is uncomfortable because we're getting now feedback on our systems. Excuse me coughing. I got to cut back on the cigarettes. Pray for me. I'm believing I'm going to get delivered. Amen. So every culture needs, as a joke, needs a healthy culture and excellent systems. The message is sacred. The systems are not. The system should be constantly being reevaluated. So let me just go back to this real quick. What system could you change today that would help you reach more people? I talked about that last week with the system of the 15 minute turnarounds for my friend. That's a system that is limiting them, that they could change today. They could bump a service today, change it for Sunday, and it would help them grow. What is a system that you could change today? One little thing, one little tweak. What's that system like for us? We're in four services. We need a fifth. If we add a fifth service, we automatically grow immediately. And we're going to add a fifth service. As I'm filming this, we're in four, we're about to add a fifth. And what's crazy is I was talking to an amazing pastor who I don't want to name drop, but he's unbelievable. But I do want to name drop because so pumped that I got to talk to him about this. But I was talking to him about how we need to go to five services. He said, jabin, you need to go to six services. And I just, you know, I'm on the phone going, he said, you next move is not five, it's six. Now, I'm not going to do that because it terrifies me. But he was going, that's how I think you're thinking, how do we go to five? He's going, I would be making the move to six. And there's a reason. He's got a gazillion people in his church and I don't. Systems. What needs to be reevaluated? What systems are currently limiting my reach? What systems in your life? Let me talk to the senior leader real quick. What's the flow of your week? Do you have a system for your week? What is Monday? What is Tuesday? What is Wednesday? What is Thursday? What is Friday? What is your system? So Monday for me is a day off. Tuesday for me is meetings. Wednesday for me is more meetings. And I'm starting to create content. Thursday for me is sermon prep. Friday for me is a flex day, sermon prep. And then I have Saturday, Sunday, I have a system. What's your system? You got to have a system for that. It's a big deal. Does going into the office work for you or is it hindering you? Does it help you or hurt you? Does it help the organization or hurt the organization? You've got to figure out that tension. How much time should you be in the office? I'm in the office all day Tuesday. I'm filming this, by the way, on a Tuesday because I need to get ahead on some stuff. I'm in the office all day Tuesday. I'm in the office some of Wednesday, and I am not in the office Thursday, Friday or Monday. So I'm in the office about one and a half days a week. That works for me. That's my system. What's your system? They should be constantly evaluated and reevaluated. Number three, about systems. Systems bring security. Every road needs lanes, every train needs rails. Every church, every organization needs systems. And again, I want to go back to this from last week. Never let the system and the culture be at odds. They complement each other, they serve each other, they help each other. Like I talked about last week, the system is there to serve the culture and to serve the problems that the healthy culture is creating. Remember I talked about that? Like a healthy culture is going to create problems because it's going to create growth. So you're going to need better systems for the problem that the culture is creating. Right. The proverb writer said, if the stall, if there's no ox in the stall, the stall is clean. But you put an ox in the stall, it's going to get messy. Well, your church starts growing, you're going to need systems. So don't fight this. Enjoy this. The systems bring security. I travel a lot, basically. I travel a lot. When I'm out of town and I'm coming home, I'm so excited to see my family, I'm so excited to see my wife, so excited to see my daughter, so excited to sleep in my own bed. So excited to land at the airport and get in my car because I, because I park myself and I like, because I love getting to the airport and get in my car. Just a little bit of home for me. That's the vision, that's the mission, that's the dream. I'm getting home. Between me and the vision and the mission and the dream is a system. The system is called the airline industry. And I hope that system is functioning well. From checking the engines to doing the pre flight check to a nice warm friendly face when I'm walking onto the plane. You name it, it's a system. The system is necessary for the vision. So when I walk into the house after being gone for a week in Australia like I was recently and the door flings wide open and my daughter grabs me and my wife is filming that moment and we're hugging and we're crying and dad's hope, that's the dream, that's the vision, that's the. But between me having that hug with my wife and daughter and having that moment and me leaving Adelaide, South Australia, there was a 24 hour system that got me there, kept me safe, kept me moving. I had to go. Adelaide. Sydney. Sydney, Louisiana, Louisiana. Vegas Systems System isn't really fun, but it's necessary. I really hope you're working on your systems. Let me just ask you this one more time before we go. What is one thing you could change today, right now? What's one thing you could change today that would improve your church and help your church grow? What's one thing you can do today to better help serve the culture and better help serve the vision and the mission? Do it and then think of another thing and then another thing and then another thing. Start making changes to your system. Everything will change in your organization. All right. I love you again. Make sure you like subscribe. Do all the things I'm praying. This content is a blessing to you. Remember we live stream every Sunday at 11am West Coast. We post a brand new sermon every Sunday night. We're bringing you great leadership content like this every Wednesday morning and then every Friday morning we're releasing from Rush Worship. So make sure you are following the City Light Vegas page. We'll see you soon.
Episode: Creating Systems That Serve The Culture Pt. 2 | #062
Date: September 3, 2025
Host: Jabin Chavez
In this episode, Jabin Chavez explores how leaders can build and refine systems that serve the vision and culture of their organizations. This is part two of a series on systems, with a focus on the necessity of consistent evaluation, the dangers of becoming too attached to existing methods, and practical advice for evolving practices as organizations grow. While drawing on his experience as a pastor and organizational leader, Jabin underscores the importance of adaptability, intentional planning, and how systems act as the “rails” guiding and protecting the culture leaders wish to build.
“The system is not sacred. The system is not sacred. You are not your system. You are your culture. But the culture, who you are, can only go as far as the system.” (02:00)
"The culture of the organization is the feeling, it's the emotion, it's the guts... But the systems are the mind and the thinking and the mindset." (00:40)
“Every system should be constantly reevaluated, constantly scrutinized. This is uncomfortable because we're getting now feedback on our systems.” (06:30)
“When someone is too attached to their systems, that is a sign of an unhealthy culture. ‘Well, we've always done it this way’ ... The systems should be constantly being reevaluated, challenged, pressed for what’s best for right now.” (02:55)
"The system, never about your preference or what is best for you. The system is always about what is best for the vision and the mission... We can't do [a three-hour service] and reach this community. We can't do that and grow." (04:00)
“What system could you change today that would help you reach more people? ... What is a system that you could change today? One little thing, one little tweak.” (07:05)
“We're in four services. We need a fifth. If we add a fifth service, we automatically grow immediately... I was talking to an amazing pastor... He said, ‘Jabin, you need to go to six services.’ And I just, you know, I'm on the phone going, [gulp]...” (07:30)
“Monday for me is a day off. Tuesday for me is meetings. Wednesday for me is more meetings... Thursday for me is sermon prep. Friday for me is a flex day…” (09:10)
“Every road needs lanes, every train needs rails, every church, every organization needs systems.” (10:34)
“A healthy culture is going to create problems because it's going to create growth. So you're going to need better systems for the problem that the culture is creating." (11:10)
"Between me and the vision and the mission and the dream is a system. The system is called the airline industry... The system is necessary for the vision.” (12:26)
“What is one thing you could change today, right now? What's one thing you could change today that would improve your church and help your church grow? ... Do it and then think of another thing and then another thing and then another thing. Start making changes to your system. Everything will change in your organization.” (14:18)
This episode challenges leaders to treat their culture and vision as sacred, but to hold their systems loosely, always ready to improve and evolve for greater effectiveness. Successful leadership depends not just on intention and passion, but on creating, evaluating, and refreshing the systems that transform vision into consistent reality.