This Working Love

Summary

Jack Hibbs Podcast
Episode: This Working Love
Date: March 30, 2026

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Episode Overview

In “This Working Love,” Jack Hibbs explores the practical outworking of Christian love, focusing on the believer’s conscience, unity within the church, and the importance of prioritizing others. Drawing on Romans 14 and related scripture, Jack unpacks how a clean conscience, mindful liberty, and placing others’ needs before our own are hallmarks of true, mature Christian living. The episode is filled with encouragements, challenges, and relatable anecdotes, aiming to equip listeners to live out their faith authentically in an age of confusion and cultural upheaval.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Value of a Clear Conscience (01:49–08:57)

• Conscience as Precious: Jack begins by emphasizing that a person’s conscience is among their most valuable possessions, even more so than material wealth or physical strength.
  • “Your conscience is one of the most precious things that you possess.” (01:50, Jack Hibbs)
• Religion vs. Christ: Outward religious actions cannot cleanse the inner person; only Christ offers true forgiveness and inner freedom.
  • “Doing all of the religious things that religion demands of you doesn’t fix a thing on the inside of you. It doesn’t fix you.” (02:43, Jack Hibbs)
• Mother Knows Best—So Does God: Through humorous anecdotes about mothers knowing their children’s secrets, Jack illustrates that nothing is hidden from God. However, repentance brings relief from shame and guilt.
  • “If moms can see stuff like that, God can see it. But when we come to Him with repentance... He came to relieve us of all the guilt and the shame.” (03:25, Jack Hibbs)
• Christ Clears the Conscience: No material possession or effort can achieve this—it's received from God by faith.
  • “You cannot buy it, you cannot earn it. You receive it from the Lord.” (04:14, Jack Hibbs)

2. Christian Liberty and the Role of Conscience (04:21–07:56)

• Paul’s Conviction: Jack references Paul’s teaching that nothing is “unclean” in itself (Romans 14:14), discussing dietary restrictions and cultural practices as examples.
  • “Paul, what is it? That nothing is unclean of itself... I’m convinced it’s not bad to have a pork sandwich from time to time.” (04:36, Jack Hibbs)
• Personal Weaknesses & Humor: Jack admits his own squeamishness about certain foods (like calamari!) to illustrate personal conscience boundaries within Christian liberty.
  • “You know, if you got clearance between you and God to eat that thing, that’s your business. I’m not judging you, brother.” (06:34, Jack Hibbs)
• Never Violate Conscience: Christians should not pressure others to act against their conscience, nor should the world compel believers to violate their convictions.
  • “Are they a Christian that's requesting you to violate your conscience? It ought not to happen. Christians do not cause other Christians to violate their conscience for this very truth.” (07:36, Jack Hibbs)

3. The Church as a Unified Body with Function for Every Member (08:57–15:44)

• Albert Barnes Quote: Jack reads from the theologian, underscoring the God-given nature of conscience and its role in moral awareness.
  • “A clear conscience is often understood as the inner sense of right and wrong, aligning one’s behavior and intentions with moral and divine standards.” (08:38, reading Albert Barnes via Jack Hibbs)
• Every Member, One Body: Drawing an analogy to the physical body, Jack discusses spiritual gifts and roles within the church.
  • “What you think and what you do and how you live is not pre-programmed. It’s the decision that you make.” (10:27, Jack Hibbs)
• Church Size Doesn’t Matter: Whether a congregation is big or small, every believer has a role and is vital to the church’s health.
  • “If you’re a member of the body of Christ, not a member of this church, forget that. That’s irrelevant... it means that you have a function.” (11:58–12:03, Jack Hibbs)
• Proof of Your Function: If your absence is unnoticed, it may be a call to deeper involvement.
  • “If you can not go to church for a month and nobody misses you, you don’t have a function.” (12:37, Jack Hibbs)
• Serving in Various Roles: From parking lot attendants to prayer warriors, every form of service matters and is essential to the body.
  • “If you are praying for this church and for this work... you go to the front of the line. Because we can’t breathe without you praying.” (14:19, Jack Hibbs)

4. Prioritizing Others in Love (15:44–19:18)

• Love Requires Action: True Christian love means placing others’ needs before personal liberty or preference.
  • “If your brother is grieved because of your food... you are no longer walking in love. Do not destroy with your food the one whom Christ died for.” (16:27, Jack Hibbs)
• Selflessness as Evidence of Real Faith: Prioritizing others—especially within the church—is a marker of spiritual maturity.
  • “The priority is your brother. The priority is your sister.” (19:18, Jack Hibbs)
• Loving the ‘Unlovable’: God’s love transforms believers, making it possible to genuinely care even for difficult people, demonstrating supernatural change.
  • “That’s one of the evidences of God’s presence in your life.” (18:33, Jack Hibbs)

5. Unity Rooted in Truth, Not Mere Togetherness (19:24–20:43)

• Christ as the Head of the Church: True unity comes from shared commitment to Christ and biblical truth—not superficial agreement.
  • “He is the head of the church. And you got to wonder how many headless churches are there in America today where Christ is not glorified, he’s not obeyed, he’s not honored.” (19:46, Jack Hibbs)
• Biblical Unity: God values unity as a byproduct of shared truth, not unity for its own sake.
  • “To be unified around the truth is how God executes the ministry. He doesn’t have people come together in unity for unity's sake. That’s insanity.” (20:01–20:32, Jack Hibbs)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If you delight yourself in God, He will put desires in you that you want that are from Him.” (01:13, Co-host)
• “You cannot buy it, you cannot earn it. You receive it from the Lord.” (04:14, Jack Hibbs)
• “If you want to eat it, that’s your business. I’m not judging you, brother.” (06:34, Jack Hibbs, on eating calamari with humor)
• “If you can not go to church for a month and nobody misses you, you don’t have a function.” (12:37, Jack Hibbs)
• “The Bible wants you free from a dark conscience.” (08:57, Jack Hibbs)
• “You are the object of our love for Jesus. How are we going to wash Jesus' feet today? By loving on you.” (16:00–16:07, Jack Hibbs)
• “We have modernized sin and rebellion against God... we have perfected carnality.” (18:49, Jack Hibbs)
• “God wants us to dwell together in unity... God does not and is not committed to unity. It’s a byproduct of truth.” (20:01, Jack Hibbs)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 01:49 – Conscience as one’s most precious possession
• 04:21 – Christian liberty regarding ‘unclean’ things (Romans 14:14)
• 06:11 – Humorous take on food choices and personal conscience
• 10:08 – Church as a unified body; everyone has a function
• 12:37 – The necessity of having a noticeable function in the church
• 14:19 – The critical role of those who pray
• 16:27 – The priority of others over personal liberty
• 18:33 – Loving difficult people as proof of transformation
• 19:46 – Christ as the head of the Church and true unity
• 20:01 – Unity is a byproduct of truth, not the goal itself

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Tone & Style

Jack Hibbs brings a mix of warmth, humor, challenge, and conviction. The episode is marked by practical teaching, lively anecdotes, and encouragements to deeper, more selfless Christian living.

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Takeaway

True Christian love and unity aren’t passive or self-interested; they require a clear conscience, mindful liberty, and a willingness to serve and prioritize others—within the bounds of biblical truth. Every believer is vital to the life and mission of the church, called not to mere attendance, but to active, loving involvement.

Transcript

[Jack Hibbs]

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he's saying, fall in love with me and I will impart things to your thinking and to your heart, to your desires that please me and please you.

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Well, I'm going to be a Christian and I'm going to follow Jesus and it's going to be a real bummer. But you know, I'm bearing my cross. It's really a drag to be a Christian, but I, I am one and here we go and come and follow me and. No thanks.

[Jack Hibbs]

No, that's okay. Listen, that's not what he gave us. If you delight yourself in God, he

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will put desires in you that you want that are from Him.

[Jack Hibbs]

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We're diving in now to this working love for our first argument. In verse 14, we learn that it's having a clean conscience. Your conscience is one of the most precious things that you possess. It's not your money, it's not your youth, it's not your strength, your conscience. Listen, if your conscience is plagued, you could go insane. Did you know that? Everybody, I'm not a doctor, I'm not a psychologist, I'm an observer. And the facts are what they are. People with consciences that are wearied down, burdened and grieved by a life that they've lived in a questionable way or whatever, and their conscience is clouded. It leads to all kinds of other types of phobias and issues of life. And yet it's only Christianity, it's Christ that offers a clear conscience. And I want you to think about

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that for a moment.

[Jack Hibbs]

That's why doing all of the religious things that religion demands of you doesn't fix a thing on the inside.

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Of you.

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It doesn't fix you. Only Christ can fix you on the inside. And he clears your conscience of all the things of the past. Isn't that good news that you can be washed of all the memories? Maybe people don't know. Now, look, everybody. Everybody knows something about each of us

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to some degree, you might say. Not me. I've pretty much hidden my life down.

[Jack Hibbs]

No, no, Somebody knows something. Your mom knows. Listen, mom knows things because everyone knows that once a woman becomes a mother,

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she grows eyes in the back of her head.

[Jack Hibbs]

How did our moms know what we were doing? Did you ever make a face at your mom when she was walking away? She upset you, like, go to your room. She turned around and walked away and you went and she said, I see that face. Listen, if moms can see stuff like that, God can see it. But when we come to him with repentance and we say, lord, I'm sorry for the life that I've lived, for the things that I've done, God's message to us is that he came to relieve us of all the guilt and the shame and the penalty of death in hell. That's all the benefits of coming to Christ and so much more. And one of those glorious things is

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a conscience being cleared and having a clean conscience.

[Jack Hibbs]

You cannot buy it, you cannot earn it.

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You receive it from the lord. And verse 14 tells us beautifully, look at this verse.

[Jack Hibbs]

Paul says, and I love it. He says, I know, and I'm convinced that's strong statement right by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself. So what does that mean? That means Paul must have eaten pork

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from time to time. That's what it must mean.

[Jack Hibbs]

This is Paul the Jew. This is the Jewish, the top shelf Jew, now born again. He says right here. I know, and I'm convinced. Paul, what is it? That nothing is unclean of itself. We're talking not about sin that is unclean. We're talking about things like eating, drinking foods, conduct in that way. Paul says, I'm convinced it's not bad

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to have a pork sandwich from time to time. Kahlua pork, you say? Jack, I think that's very offensive.

[Jack Hibbs]

Why? Why do you think it's offensive? Look what he says. He says that nothing is unclean of itself. But to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. If you listen, Paul is saying, look, God made it all.

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I'll eat it.

[Jack Hibbs]

If I'm hungry, I'll eat it.

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You say, paul, but you're a Jew. Yes, I am a Jew, and I'm a real Jew now.

[Jack Hibbs]

I met Jesus as Messiah. That makes me super Jew. I know who he is. And God has made everything. Now look, he.

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This is. You have to admit, this is amazing. You might say, oh, that's pretty. That's pretty much like me, really.

[Jack Hibbs]

It is.

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I have not matured to that level because I have actually seen some of you. We've gone out to dinner, and you right in front of me ordered calamari. Do you know what that is?

[Jack Hibbs]

Squid. Squid. Listen, when they bring something to the

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plate, to the table, on a plate, and it has suction pad cups on

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it, and people eat and they go, oh, it's so good. You ought to try it.

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And they're going,

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And they're chewing this thing like it's rubber.

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Are you saying, jack, Jack, Are you offended by that? I'm just sickened by it.

[Jack Hibbs]

It may not be offended if you want to eat it. You know, if you got clearance between you and God to eat that thing, that's your business. I'm not judging you, brother. I'm just saying this. Why? Why God put it at the bottom of the ocean so you wouldn't get to it. You swim down to get it and you bring it up and it looks like it's from outer space. And somebody says, let's eat it. That's wrong. But I'm a babe in Christ. You'll have to handle with my weakness. Where.

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Why don't you just eat stuff that God puts that walks around on Earth?

[Jack Hibbs]

But of course I'm kidding with you, sort of. Paul says, it's not unclean. God gave it. You can eat that.

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You can have that.

[Jack Hibbs]

But the point is your conscience. Are you cleared in your conscience in this area? And if he's just talking about food things, what about other things that we're

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not gonna bring up in this room

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right now that somebody would require you to violate your conscience? Question, are they a Christian that's requesting you to violate your conscience? It ought not to happen. Christians do not cause other Christians to violate their conscience for this very truth.

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And the second thing is, as I

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mentioned last week, even in the world around us, the world itself can say, you must do this thing. And according to the Bible, if it's against your conscience, you're not to do it. Think of that. Your conscience is so precious. And I want to read to you something by the great Albert Barnes. I love this guy.

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I read a lot of Albert Barnes.

[Jack Hibbs]

And by the way, you know what?

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He's wonderful.

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To read.

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He was an American pastor, by the way, who was absolutely committed to abolishing slavery. Isn't that great? I love that. And you know what's great also about reading old guys that are dead, they can't change their mind, so they're safe to read.

[Jack Hibbs]

He says a clear conscience is often understood as the inner sense of right and wrong, aligning one's behavior and intentions with moral and divine standards. There is a consistent thread throughout scripture that shows conscience is a God given faculty.

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This is very smart, this is very, very insightful.

[Jack Hibbs]

This observable reality of man's struggle with what is right and wrong is one of the most powerful evidences of man having been created by the ultimate morality, which is God himself. Can you say Amen to that? That's an awesome statement. You can use that today. And he said it so long ago. Why? Because it's eternal truth and every one of us has a conscience. And God wants your conscience to be cleared. I want to remind you, the Bible wants you free from a dark conscience. Is the God of the Bible good or what? He wants you to be set free from all of that. The Bible tells us in Romans chapter 12, verse 4. For as we have many members. Look in this room right now, every single one of you is a member of one body. This gathering together, let's just call second service church, singular church made up of all of you, these people right here. And it says, but all the members do not have the same function. Verse 5. So we being many are one body in Christ. Isn't that beautiful? And individually members of one another. What a tremendous thing.

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Watch me. Watch my body. Look, I'm moving. Look, I'm walking sideways.

[Jack Hibbs]

Watch my hands. I'm gonna move over here now. You wanna know how that just happened?

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Think of it. A lot of stuff went on just now for me to do this. My brain was moving and thinking stuff.

[Jack Hibbs]

My brain was sending signals to my nervous system, my neurological system, speaking to the muscles and the sinew of my body, the bones, all of this moving the apparatus from one side to the other side. This bio machine that God has given us. And it all happens literally at the origin of something that is invisible. My soul, my spirit, my conscience. Think about that. What you think and what you do and how you live is not pre programmed. It's the decision that you make. It's the choices that you make. And our body, our bodies will move based upon how it's being led. And how about this? The body of Christ in this room should be led by the mind of Christ right now. So that you and I live out as members, individual members of one body. So I've got an elbow, I have fingers. We're like that. We are all different parts. Can I say this without having you freak out? If we are to be members of

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one body and that we are to

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be the church, all of a sudden, it doesn't matter if you belong to

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a church of 10 people or a church of 10,000 people, the truth is still the same.

[Jack Hibbs]

And it is this. If you're a member of the body

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of Christ, not a member of this church, forget that. That's irrelevant.

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If you're a member of the body

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of Christ, it means that you're a child of God. If you're a child of God, it

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means that you have a function.

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My question to you. Don't answer. My question to you is, if you're saying, yes, I am a child of God, then my next question to you is, the proof of that will be your function.

[Jack Hibbs]

Who are you and what are you

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in the body of Christ? Does that make sense? Look, do you have an elbow? You know what it does? Do you have knees? Do you have ankles? Do you have eyes?

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They all have a function. So the Lord would say to us or challenge us individually, what's your function? So how do I know?

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Here's the test.

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If you can not go to church

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for a month and nobody misses you, you don't have a function. You say, well, that kind of stings. I know it stings. It's the point. I'll give you an example. Don't you love these parking lot servants that are out there? These ministers of parking?

[Jack Hibbs]

Yeah. Do you know how dangerous it is to be those guys out there, those guys and gals?

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And you should hear the things they hear. Cause not everybody who comes here is a Christian, if you know what I mean.

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But I have, over the years, come

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to trust these guys out there.

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So, for example, for me to go

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home, I've got to go out this

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west exit over by LA Fitness, and that's a busy street.

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And I don't even look at the traffic anymore. I just look at the guy and

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the guy's going like this.

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And I mean, he's like.

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Like the New York. And I'm just looking at him because if you don't. If you don't obey him, because there's two lanes, and he'll. He'll look at you and he'll put down his finger like this, meaning you in this lane. And translation, stay in this Lane, if you go on the other lane, it's not gonna be good for you. So he's going like this, and he goes like this. And I go like that. And I don't even look. I trust him. I don't to see. I'm just watching him. And he points and I go. Think of the power that he has

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or that she has.

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And they're guiding and they're serving. And then listen. You might say, well, I don't know what my function is because all I do is pray for the church. That's all I can do, is pray you to the front of the line. If you are praying for this church and for this work and what God is doing, you go to the front of the line. Because we can't breathe without you praying. We cannot breathe. We can't function without you serving. But you must ask yourself, whatever church you attend, maybe you're visiting, wherever you're going to go back home to, you got to ask yourself, what is my function in the church that I go to? Do they need me? Because guess what? We need each other. And that's not a theory. Where's your kids right now, people?

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Where's your kids?

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Are they in children's ministry?

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You know why they're over there? It's not because you're tired of them. That's not the reason. It's possible, but that's not the reason why. The reason that they're over there is because they're with people. Because you know, if our people decided to leave, your kid would find you. When they got hungry enough, they would find you.

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But your children are being served by

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people who have opened themselves up to serving. And that's the whole body of Christ Jesus, is that we minister and love one another.

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And the more that we do that in the name of Jesus, for the

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glory of Jesus, listen, we decrease. And I like to think of it this way, our problems and our centrality decreases and we become happier people. While you, on the other hand, we

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increase you because you are the object

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of our love for Jesus. How are we going to wash Jesus feet today? By loving on you.

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It's that simple. But we need to make sure that that happens.

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And the beautiful thing about that is it brings about the second point. And that is having the right priority. The right priority in church life is in verse 15. For if your brother is grieved because of your food, that is, you insist that it has to be your way.

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You are no longer walking in love. Do not destroy with your food.

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The one whom Christ died for this person. Christ died.

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And so this is a whole thing

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about us growing up into the area of being one of priority, that our brother and sister matters more in our lives then we matter in our lives. You see, Jack, how can you say that? Because we're programmed to love ourselves. It is true. We are programmed to love ourselves. The Bible says this. Paul writes to the church at Ephesus and he says, husbands, love your wives,

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treat your wife good.

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If you love yourself, love your wife. Isn't that a true statement? Think about that. If you really think, you know, if you want to take care of yourself, love your wife. Women, you should have said amen right then. It was your moment.

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Husbands, be really good to your wives

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and it'd be good for you.

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Yes. Oh, priority, others first. And that's one of the great indicators. Are we really Christians?

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Do we love others? Even a stranger?

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How is that possible?

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Listen, before you meet Jesus, when you hear him say, love strangers, love your

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enemies, it's like cuckoo.

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Let's be honest. That's crazy talk. Until you become a Christian and then somehow God gives you compassion for that person who has ruined your life, that person who is just disgusting to you. Every Monday you have to show up and work with them all week long and they're driving you crazy.

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And then you become a Christian on Sunday and then you go back to that person on Monday and you have this supernatural thing in your heart going

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on where, why do I care about that guy now? He used to drive me nuts and now I care about him. Folks, I'm telling you, that's one of the evidences of God's presence in your life.

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It's amazing.

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And I love when God does that kind of stuff because we're the ones most shocked.

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He's remarkable. But it's all about priority.

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And the right priority at that.

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I made this comment in my notes,

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if you do have the notes downloaded on your device, on page three, it

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says, we live in the most perfected age of carnality.

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We have modernized sin and rebellion against God, have we not? In this world that we're in right now, we have perfected carnality. We've perfected sin. And sometimes we say things like this,

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well, you know what? I'm going to do this. If my brother's offended or not, I've got liberty in Christ to do it. Friend, you're being carnal. You're not to exploit your liberties in

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Christ at the expense of your brother's conscience.

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The priority is your brother. The priority is your sister.

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And we must remember that this is a very powerful thing that you and I as believers. And I'm going to warn you up front, this is where it gets a little strong here right now. Because if we fix our eyes and affection upon Jesus, we'll quickly see him elevated to his right place of honor in the church. Convinced of that, the Book of Colossians tells us that he is the head of the church. And you got to wonder how many headless churches are there in America today where Christ is not glorified, he's not obeyed, he's not honored. God wants us to dwell together in unity.

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He says, how precious, how beautiful it

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is for the brethren to dwell together in unity. You guys are smart. The qualifier is brethren. God does not and is not committed to unity.

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It's a byproduct of truth. To be unified around the truth is how God executes the ministry. He doesn't have people come together in unity for unity's sake.

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That's insanity.

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That's impossible. But when we are gathered together in

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the same truth, then there's unity.

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