Mega-Show! Iran, War, Epstein, Occultism, BTC: Jay Dyer, Alex J0nes, Stefan Molyneux & Harrison Smith

Summary

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Jay'sAnalysis Mega-Show! Iran, War, Epstein, Occultism, BTC

Episode Date: March 10, 2026
Host: Jay Dyer
Guests: Jamie Hanshaw Dyer, Alex Jones, Stefan Molyneux, Harrison Smith

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Episode Overview

This “Mega-Show” episode presents a curated selection of audio highlights from Jay Dyer’s recent work, focusing on pivotal themes in contemporary geopolitics, the intersection of evangelical Christianity with foreign policy, the role of Israel, the Epstein network, the occult, and cultural control. Interwoven are deep literary analyses (specifically of Tolkien’s Hobbit/Lord of the Rings), discussions of Eastern mysticism’s influence in elite circles, and the weaponization of religion and esotericism in global power struggles. The conversation maintains a critical, polemical, and at times irreverent tone, blending high-level analysis with biting satire and skepticism of mainstream narratives.

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Key Topics & Insights

1. Evangelicalism, Zionism, and Geopolitics (00:58–12:20)

• Geopolitical Tools: Jay Dyer highlights how evangelical beliefs—specifically dispensationalism and Christian Zionism—are utilized as “geopolitical tools” to influence American foreign policy and public support for Israel.

  “That's what's so difficult to convey, I think, to a lot of the evangelical audience is that these are actually geopolitical tools that are used... Evangelicalism pushes all that to the second Advent, making the Church ineffectual. And then they default to thinking that the atheist nation-state of Israel is their church. It's not.” — Jay Dyer (00:58)

• Origins of Dispensationalism/Christian Zionism:
  Traced to the late 1800s (John Nelson Darby, Plymouth Brethren, C.I. Scofield), the movement was actively shaped by Zionist interests and financial elites (e.g., Rothschilds) for imperial objectives.

• CIA & Evangelicalism:
  Use of megachurch pastors and missionaries for intelligence operations globally (esp. during the Cold War).

• Modern Influence:
  Shift from mere influence to actual dominance of US foreign policy by pro-Israel factions—accelerated post-JFK, with rising power of lobby groups like AIPAC.

  “There’s a coordination of people in power. There’s multiple motivations... Israel had a role or hand in [JFK’s assassination] or had motivation in that, because there was a backdoor between James Jesus Angleton and the Mossad.” — Jay Dyer (07:39)

• Religious/Scriptural Arguments:
  Critical dissection of mainstream interpretations of Biblical prophecy; challenging the idea that today’s Israel fulfills a divine plan.

  “Genesis 12, 15, 17, 22... If you read Galatians 3 and 4... Once Christ has come, those promises are fulfilled. So there's no longer a promise to an atheist socialist nation-state to be set up by the Rothschilds. It's preposterous. But that's what they've duped the evangelicals into.” — Jay Dyer (11:46)

• Political Implications:
  Debate on whether to withdraw support for the Republican Party in response to perceived betrayals over Iran policy; discussion of the futility of attempting to sway Trump policy on Israel/Iran (see 09:02–11:01).

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2. Iran War, Controlled Narratives & Policy Shifts (11:01–17:45)

• Trump & Iran:
  Critique of Trump’s apparent flip-flop regarding war posture toward Iran—tension between “America First” and neocon/Zionist influence.
• The Oded Yinon/Greater Israel Project:
  Examined as a long-standing strategic plan acknowledged only recently by mainstream figures, after years of denial.
• Changing Alliances:
  Israeli statements about the US’s declining utility and shifting alliances to countries like India (“We don’t need America anymore... We’ll rely on Indian technology, Indian workers.” – Jay Dyer, 17:09)

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3. Tolkien, Allegory, and Christian Symbolism (23:03–66:43)

Literary Deep Dive: The Hobbit & Lord of the Rings

• Tolkien’s Worldview:

  • Liturgical and historical structure of reality; myth enables understanding of truth and meaning.

    “Our lives are structured like stories, our days are structured in this way. Our liturgical cycle and calendar has these patterns and structures... that's really what gives our existence... meaning.” — Jay Dyer (23:03)

• Christian and Biblical Symbology:

  • Alignment of Tolkien’s ‘Arkenstone’ with Christ (the “stone cut without hands,” connection to Davidic lineage).

  • Dwarves as symbolic of Jews (per Tolkien’s BBC interview); “desolation of Smaug” as biblical abomination/desolation.

    “The Arkenstone... is the stone cut without hands. This is the precious stone which is Christ. Christ is the divine stone cut without hands...” — Jay Dyer (41:26)

• Mini-Eschatology & Allegory:

  • The Hobbit as a mini-apocalypse; the Battle of Five Armies as a mini-Armageddon.

  • Central lesson: Courage, cheer, and song as more valuable than gold/power.

    “The theme here is food, cheer, and song are more important than gold. That's the message that Thorin learns...” — Jay Dyer (48:59)

• Influence from Deuterocanonical Texts:

  • References to Maccabean and Orthodox/Catholic biblical traditions filling Tolkien's work with distinctly Christian typology (e.g., Oliphants, magical swords).

• Espionage, Cryptography, and Tolkien’s WWII Role:

  • Speculation on the influence of Tolkien’s work at Bletchley Park on his interest in invented languages and coded communication (66:43).

    “Wouldn't it be interesting if the British had utilized Elvish or something like that to, to communicate?...” — Jay Dyer (68:28)

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4. Occultism, Eastern Mysticism, & The Elite (70:51–119:52)

Epstein, Tantra, and Neoplatonism

• Epstein’s Book List & Practices:

  • Epstein’s connection with occult and Eastern mysticism texts (Kundalini, Tantra, Crowley).

  • Parallels between sexual exploitation and the metaphysics of Eastern/tantric cults; discussions of Crowley, OTO, and ritual occultism.

    “Kundalini is the serpent energy that they would say Eve was enlightened by... The goal of the practitioner of tantra is to become androgynous.” — Interviewee (99:30–86:51)

• Occultism as Statecraft:

  • The fusion of tantra/occult ritual with political power—historical examples from the Dalai Lama, CIA, Nazi Germany, Free Tibet Project.
  • Discussion of mysticism as cover for espionage (e.g., Blavatsky, Gandhi, Theosophy connections to intelligence).

• Women, Power, and the Shadow Side of Guru Cults:

  • Critical exploration of the sacrificial/abusive metaphysic towards women in tantric and occult systems.

  • Discussion of how goddess symbolism gets inverted to enable systemic abuse (e.g., Epstein’s temple, Ishtar/Kali worship).

    “These yogis, these gurus... are trying to unite with women to absorb their energy, and they call this gynergy…use the woman as a tool, and once he's got the juice, we can talk about the juice. He throws away the fruit. Literally.” — Interviewee (86:22–87:12)

• Elite Celebrity Culture & Mind Control:

  • Modern pop icons (Britney Spears, Beyonce, Katy Perry) as avatars of ancient goddess archetypes exploited by both the culture industry and black magic paradigms.
  • MK-Ultra/Monarch programming, the splitting of personalities, and trauma-based mind control in the entertainment industry (112:53–115:37).

• Philosophical Roots:

  • Neoplatonism’s role in Shia Islam and in the worldview of occult networks.

  • Dissection of the myth of “three Abrahamic religions,” positing Christianity as the sole legitimate Abrahamic faith, with Islam and Judaism shaped by Gnostic and esoteric influences (116:53–119:56).

    “Shia Islam is also straight up Neoplatonism. They even say, the Quran is actually a mystical Neoplatonic text.” — Jay Dyer (118:41)

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5. Notable Quotes & Moments

Evangelicalism & Zionism

• “Scofield was essentially a con man who was part of a club... run by Samuel Untermyer, one of the first early American Zionists.” — Jay Dyer (03:11)
• “If you go back to the promises in Deuteronomy... unless you think that socialism, atheism, and a big gay capital in Tel Aviv is repentance, it doesn't even make sense.” — Jay Dyer (04:57)

Tolkien & Christianity

• “Gondor is Byzantium... just as Byzantium was a bulwark against the hordes of the east, Minas Tirith is essentially the bulwark against Mordor.” — Jay Dyer (39:40)

Epstein & Occultism

• “Epstein’s book list... Secrets of Western Tantra, Modern Sex Magic, the Jesus Dynasty, Chakra and Kundalini Workbook, Ecstasy through Tantra... he was very into eastern mysticism and demonic activity.” — Interviewee (72:55)

Tantra, Power, and Ritual Abuse

• “They believe that they are controlling the cosmos as well as the mundane world.” — Interviewee (79:03)

Celebrity Culture as Occult Exploitation

• “Instead of Inanna Ishtar Cybele, it’s going to be Beyonce... Katy Perry. These [women] have such a wide influence.” — Interviewee (111:16–112:22)

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Segment Timestamps

• 00:58–12:20 Evangelicalism, Zionism, American Foreign Policy
• 12:20–17:45 The Iran War and Shifting US-Israel Alliances
• 23:03–66:43 Tolkien’s The Hobbit/Lord of the Rings Deep Dive (Christian Allegory, Esotericism, Espionage)
• 70:51–119:52 Eastern Mysticism, Epstein, Occultism, Pop Culture as Ritual, The Abrahamic Question

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Conclusion: Overarching Takeaways

• Religious Movements and State Power: The episode is a masterclass in analyzing how spiritual ideologies are weaponized by centers of power, both for domestic control (evangelicals in the US) and international maneuvering (Cold War, support for Israel).
• Esoteric Networks: There is no strict boundary between the interests of intelligence agencies, occult societies, and the machinery of celebrity/pop culture—these realms are intertwined in a broader paradigm of ruling through myth, mind control, and ritual.
• The Literary Lens: Jay Dyer’s literary analysis (esp. Tolkien) is not mere digression, but forms a core part of the argument: stories shape societies, and control of narrative is control of reality.
• Answer to Cultic Death Systems: The “life cult” of orthodox Christianity is upheld as the antidote to the predatory, exploitative, and occult death cults which, according to the show’s analysis, define much of the postmodern world order.

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For further reading/viewing:

• Jay Dyer: jsanalysis.com
• Jamie Hanshaw Dyer: YouTube (Jamie Hanshaw), X/Twitter (@jamiehanshawdyer)
• Books referenced: “Esoteric Hollywood 3: Sex Cults and Apocalypse in Films”

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Note: This summary omits advertisements, musical interludes, and extraneous banter, focusing only on substantive discussion and analysis.

Transcript

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[Jay Dyer]

That's what's so difficult to convey, I think, to a lot of the evangelical audience is that these are actually geopolitical tools that are used. That's why you have Hagee saying that Russia and China together are Gog and Magog. If you read the Christian Church fathers, they interpret that spiritually. It's the enemies of the Church that are the Gog and Magog after the time of the temple being destroyed that persecute Christianity. The city in the Book of Revelation is the church. Paul says in Galatians 4 the heavenly Jerusalem is the church. It's not a big block of cube that flies down and lands in Israel at the end of time. It's the church. The Church is the kingdom. Jesus says this in Matthew 16. Those realities are fulfilled at the first advent. But evangelicalism, Christian Zionism pushes all that to the second Advent, making the Church ineffectual. And then they default to thinking that the atheist nation state of Israel is their church. It's not.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

God bless our forces in the Middle

[Jay Dyer]

east in the brilliant execution of Operation Epic Fury.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

Today we will discover in Bible prophecy that God has an Operation Fury he

[Jay Dyer]

has planned for Iran and Russia in the near future. The Word of God commands us to pray for the peace of Jerusalem, for they shall prosper that love you. We thank you for the fabulous military victory over the enemies of Israel this week.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

The Bible says he that keepeth Israel

[Jay Dyer]

neither slumbers nor sleeps.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

We thank you for our President Donald

[Jay Dyer]

Trump, whose wise courage has crushed the

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

enemies of Zion by my new book,

[Jay Dyer]

In Defense of Israel, the Blood Moon pies. Right. It looks like Hagi's had a little

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

too many blood moon.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

I remember, like, 20 years, he goes, jesus was a rebel who the Jews dealt with wisely.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. He wrote a book called Jesus in Defense of Israel, which is why Jesus was not really the plan Messiah, but it was like a plan B. This is dispensation.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

Jesus is not the Messiah, but a devil the Jews dealt with wisely.

[Jay Dyer]

You can find that clip, by the way. It still exists on YouTube.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

It was like, Jesus was a rebel they dealt with wisely. That's a problem.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, yeah. So basically, you know, dispensationalism, Christian Zionism is not that old. It's a really recent movement, late 1800s out of the UK. This is John Nelson Darby. This is the Plymouth Brethren, and then their student, C.I. scofield. Scofield was essentially a con man who was part of a club in the US run by Samuel Untermyer, one of the first early American Zionists. And the idea was to get the American Bible Belt people on board with the support for the Balfour Declaration and the coming nation state of Israel. So that played a huge role in changing American Protestant attitudes. And even nowadays Catholics as well, they sort of jumped on board with a lot of this via Vatican too.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

And then now, finally it comes down to the final form. Jesus was actually not good. Yeah. So I'm Pastor Hagee, in the name of Jesus, destroy Iran.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, like you said, to get to that geopolitical side of it before the religious side of it, like geopolitically. This ramped up during the Cold War. The CIA utilized a lot of these evangelical, you know, megachurch pastors at the

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

time, like infiltrate Russia and everywhere. Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

Hal Lindsay, for example, put out his book late Great Planet Earth.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

But they also use the missionaries, the Protestant missionaries.

[Jay Dyer]

Absolutely. This is why places like China and Russia, and I'm not pro China, but they would ban US Evangelical missionaries because many of them were working for the CIA, worked for intelligence. So that's their perspective. Also, as you pointed out, China isn't really an enemy of Israel. Israel has sold secrets to China for decades. This goes back to the 90s. They were busted for selling secrets of China.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

You do not speak ill of Israel. You'll be struck down dead by lightning. Well, the spirit of the devil is within you.

[Jay Dyer]

Those promises, when God sent Israel into

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

bondage over and over again, God was committing anti Semitism.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, that's exactly right. So let's say that for the sake of argument, you do want to argue that the nation state of Israel today, which is founded as a socialist exercise with the kibbutz and three socialists, Chaim Weizmann, Theater Herzl and Moses Hess as the ideologues, none of whom actually believed in religious Judaism even they were basically atheistic. Even if you wanted to say that was God's providence or God's plan. Well, according to the covenant sanctions in Deuteronomy, you can't go back to the land until you've repented. So unless you think that socialism, atheism and a big gay capital in Tel Aviv is repentance, it doesn't even make sense.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

And that's what the Dericardi super Ultra, they're like, hey, we can't be there yet.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you can't be there until the Messiah comes and there's repentance from their perspective. Now, if you're a Christian, then you believe that this was.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

And by the way, a five year old could read that in the Torah. It's true.

[Jay Dyer]

And in Galatians, if you're a Christian, you know, Paul says very clearly in Galatians 3 that the seed of Abraham, the capital S seed in the Abraham of promises, Genesis 12:15, 17, 22 is the Messiah. It's Christ. It's not a separate promise to an atheist socialist nation state. That was begun as a Rothschild project in the 1860s and that's on record in the Rothschild biography by Morton and in Moses Hess's book Roman Jerusalem. So they were buying the land from the sultans in the 1860s.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

And what was the reason for the Rothschild plan? I know the answer, but you have a more elaborate one.

[Jay Dyer]

Their plan was multifaceted. Originally, the Rothschilds just wanted to have a pilgrimage site for religious Jews to go visit. But then the politically minded Zionists like Heim Weizmann and Theodore Herzl and Moses Hess, they had an idea of a more politically oriented project where they could make Jerusalem the future capital of a socialist superstructure throughout the world. That was their plan. The Rothschilds originally were not really into this. They didn't want it to be a political project. But after a while they sort of warmed up to the idea. And then when the Rothschilds had a very powerful influence within the British Empire, it became a British imperial project as an outpost for the Anglo American establishment to have kind of a strategic location there in the Middle East. They divided.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

Yeah. So in fairness, everybody always says it's the Jews Running it all when it's more complex. But now it is Israel, because the Democrats and liberals have fallen apart that are trying to come into the vacuum in Trump. So that's why I just now said, now I would say Israel is in control of our foreign policy because we've already done this to Iran. If they were in full control, they certainly had huge undue influence. But I'm only saying now, do they really have charge of it? People go, oh, God, you just figured that out? Well, it just now totally clicked in my view. Obviously, we talked about their undue influence forever, but would you agree that now they really are in charge?

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, I think in the last several decades, post jfk, you know, for example, when Quigley was writing his books, he finished writing treasury hope in the 1960s. And at that point, you know, AIPAC and these different lobbies didn't have as much power as they have now. After the JFK event, which we know from the JFK files, Israel did have a role or hand in that or had motivation in that, because there was a backdoor between James Jesus Angleton and the Mossad. There was documents that came out about money being transferred to different cub.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

That's just like the CIA use the Italian Mafia, too.

[Guest/Co-host]

Correct.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

Doesn't mean that they were in charge of it.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, I'm not saying they were in charge. I'm saying.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

No, I'm not saying you said that. I just becomes this mindless debate about who's totally in charge. It's all one big blob.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

Yeah. There's a.

[Jay Dyer]

There's a coordination of people in power. There's multiple motivations. There was a motivation that Israel had over the Demona program, that JFK was opposed to the nukes. There's a CIA motivation that they were angry at some of JFK's policies. The mafia had a huge motivation because they, JFK and RFK had banished Marcelo, whatever his name is, the New Orleans mobster. They banished him to Guam or whatever,

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

but when they made a deal with him just till the election in Chicago. So, big picture now, what do you make of this Iran situation? Straight over moves, closed, what Trump's done, because on so many fronts, he's going sideways.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, it's a huge mistake. I think that, you know, this is going to further divide the base. You know, people were already arguing a year ago between, you know, Trump splitting the base on these, on this topic, this contentious issue of going to further wars. You know, again, it's not gonna be really consistent to say, I want to end the War in Ukraine, but I'm gonna go fight this war for Israel against Iran. And again, we have his tweet saying,

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

don't go into Iran. It's a horrible idea. It's the worst idea. And now it's like, we work for Qatar if we think it's a bad idea.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, there was a tweet I shared from 2013. It was like, if you go with them, you're gonna get World War 3.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

These people are absolutely terrible. Well, you said that a year and a half ago on the campaign trail.

[Jay Dyer]

Right.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

I am peace.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, exactly. And here we are. We unfortunately kind of expected this. I know that many people called this out. Fuentes said this. I said similar things. I didn't expect that there would be a whole lot of divergence between what Netanyahu and what Trump wanted, unfortunately.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

Do you agree with Fuentes? I don't agree with him on this. That let's take our ball and go home and not vote Republican. That'll show. I think the neocons want that. I think we just check. We go by each candidate and vote for the good candidate. I don't think. We don't.

[Jay Dyer]

I mean, I don't know. I'm not gonna vote Democrat, but, you know, I kind of. I kind of. I didn't really vote at all until I voted for Trump. You know what I mean? So, like, I'm pro Trump in the sense of 2016, and then I voted for Trump again when the. When it was stolen.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

You won't have a chance to vote for him again. My point is the idea that we'll show Republicans by not voting, you're talking voting Democrat. I think that's a bad idea.

[Jay Dyer]

I know you're talking about midterms, and, you know, I don't. I wouldn't vote for Democrat.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

No.

[Jay Dyer]

I don't think that sends a message.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

Yeah, and I'm not mad at Nick. That's his point. He wants to, like, you know, show them that he's not being pimped or whatever. But let me ask you about this.

[Jay Dyer]

Can.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

Should we even spend our time trying to get Trump to pull out of this, or is it too late?

[Jay Dyer]

I don't think it's gonna be very effective again, because this seems to be the key issue that you just can't challenge or go against. Right. We know that Netanyahu, back in the 1980s or 90s, the Likud had the plan. Well, earlier it was Oded Yanon plan, the Greater Israel Project.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

Clean break.

[Jay Dyer]

Then there was a clean break later on.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

Project American Century. He just said two days ago, I've wanted this for 40 years.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, exactly. And again, that's funny because when I talked about this for the last couple years, I was referring over and over and over to the oded, Yunnan, Greater Israel Project. Oh, that doesn't exist. It's thing. Oh, but now it is, right?

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

So yeah, the ADL has attacked me and others saying it doesn't exist. They have patches on their arms, the military, they admit it. And now you have the Israeli ambassador of the us, Mike Huckabee, saying, yeah, they're going to take it all.

[Jay Dyer]

And again he appeals to Genesis, but Genesis 12, 15, 17, 22, if you read Galatians 3 and 4, according to a supposed Christian minister, he should know that the promise was to those who have faith in Christ. Once Christ has come, those promises are fulfilled. So there's no longer a promise to an atheist socialist nation state to be set up by the Rothschilds. It's preposterous. But that's what they've duped the evangelicals into.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

The Jews were carrying the covenant so that everybody else be grafted on.

[Jay Dyer]

Exactly. And now that's in Christ. You can't go back to the Old Testament, to the Old Covenant now that Christ has come. It would be judaizing. That was the first heresy that the church dealt with in the Book of Acts.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

By the way, you could just as a, as a political scientist look at the world's makeup and who does well, who does bad. And even in Africa, Christian group does great. Same tribe, other group falls apart. It's not going to work unless we become Christian. Not even under a leader, but under Christ, under, not under some temporal leader like the Pope or whatever. Unless. Only in the political analysis would Christianity unify the world and stop all this. That's what the globalists are focused on attacking Christianity. Because they already know it's the thing in front of their way.

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[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, I was just on Tim cast. We had had a big debate with Tim Poole and even Tim admitted that, you know, he's not personally a Christian, but he thinks that Christian ethics seems to work the best. So even atheists, even agnostics ad like the Christian ethos, the Christian ethic, even if you don't believe it does. How do you read what creates great societies?

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

How do you read what Jesus says and not say that's a great way to live and it works great?

[Jay Dyer]

Absolutely, yeah. The Ten Commandments, Christ gave the ten Commandments, we believe. So, you know, that produces healthy, flourishing societies, produces societies with commerce, free trade, et cetera. All those things are part and parcel with Western civilization. The ethos that we have as a product of the historic form of Christianity, which Christian Zionism. And these various heresies, again, very late, very recent ideas are literal geopolitical tools. That's what's so difficult to convey, I think to a lot of the evangelical audience, is that these are actually geopolitical tools that are used. That's why you have Hagee saying that Russia and China together are Gog and Magog. If you read the Christian church fathers, they interpret that spiritually. It's the enemies of the church that are the Gog and Magog after the time of the temple being destroyed that persecute Christianity. The city in the book of revolution, Revelation is the church. Paul says in Galatians 4, the heavenly Jerusalem is the church. It's not a big block of cube that flies down and lands in Israel at the end of time. It's the church. The church is the kingdom. Jesus says this in Matthew 16. So those realities are fulfilled at the first advent. But evangelicalism and Christian Zionism pushes all that to the second Advent, making the church ineffectual. And then they default to thinking that the atheist nation state of Israel is their church. It's not.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

There's only make of absolutely. What do you make of? Not just, hey, the Pentagon teaching this is the beginning of Armageddon and the Magog Gog war comes now and then, so there's no Antichrist. We just skip right Ahead and then God blows up Israel's enemies. I mean they're literally saying we're going to control God and force Jesus return.

[Jay Dyer]

This is a perfect example of what I was saying earlier with in the Cold War. You can go into studying how the CIA utilize evangelical end times pastors to try to, to convince everybody in the west that Russia and China were the atheist superpowers. Now they were atheist superpowers, but they were also funded by a lot of the corporate elites and banks in the West. So it was a false dialectic in my view. But this is a perfect restatement of that plan, of that strategy of manipulating Bible belt people and good hearted Americans who believe that the Pentagon is involved in some new crusade. It's not a crusade for Jesus, it's not a crusade for Christ, it's a project for Israel. Obviously anybody who has any sense can see that.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

But notice we were told fight them over here, over there. We've gotten 10, 15, 20 times more Muslims in Europe, the US, Canada, you name it, since the invasions ever 2001 than we had before. So it was this crusade. How do you suddenly get all these Muslims, they go blow them up and then bring them here?

[Jay Dyer]

By design? Absolutely.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

So again, it's a bigger project than just good guy versus bad guy. We're the new crusaders, we're Templars. It's none of that. It's a strategy to destroy the west and you can, you can deplete the west with these wars and then bring all of these Muslims into the west by design. This was what the Fabian socialist said would bring down the west. 100 years ago they were way ahead

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

of and Israel newspapers now say the U.S. is declining. We as Israel will be the new center of the new world system. We will be the empire. They're literally bragging about this.

[Jay Dyer]

And they said we don't need America anymore. If we lose America as our support base, we'll shift to India. We'll rely on Indian technology, Indian workers. India is a huge supporter of Israel, of Zionism. So we don't, we don't care if we lose America in the end. So they prepared I think for the possibility of America beginning to continue to have this divide amongst the MAGA base, to not support de facto anything that Israel wants. And again you go back to 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago, there was a lot less default support of Israel. You had presidents that would, and even at times Trump has done not everything that Netanyahu seemingly wanted.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

What changed so recently with Trump?

[Jay Dyer]

I don't know that's a great question. I'm sure there's a lot of speculation and debate. I suspect that this is I know that the war was planned prior to Epstein stuff coming out, but I suspect that Epstein was the biggest story for, in my view, in the last 50 years. The Epstein stuff, you really think about it, it vindicates everything that we've said about espionage and geopolitics and the control of the west by these organized crime syndicates. So I would suggest that perhaps the timing also helps with putting all that Epstein stuff to rest.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

Absolutely. And we always knew they'd bring out the old Jane Doe stuff that was turned out to be fake. Now they've just released yesterday creepy nicknames Trump allegedly used with Epstein revealed accuser. Now, I don't think this story came out was not true, but they're now the just department's releasing the stuff they held back. Epstein files DOJ releases Previously with all the FBI reports about sex abuse allegations against President Trump, that underage girl. And again, this is recycled. But why? Why try to cover something up that came out in 20 and later that was disproven?

[Jay Dyer]

See, well, they recycled these things obviously to, you know, to go against the administration because again, I've not seen yet any proof that, like you pointed out that Trump himself did anything with anybody

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

underage, if that exists.

[Jay Dyer]

I haven't seen it. But I think like you said, the main mistake here was to not do what the people wanted. So we've seen a series in the last few months of, I think big mistakes on the part of the Trump administration with not releasing this and then, you know, going to war seemingly as Israel wants. People can find [e-mail], youTube. J. Dyer Twitter Jay Dyer.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

All right.

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Oh, I'm in love with a hobbit don't you try to stop it but throw me a little piece of it. Cause I'm in love with all

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I'm

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all elf ears Feeling all your feels Crying little mantiles crying goes on crying. Cause I'm a bit of a a With a sassy fit sexy little backpack full of lemon spread Put a little lemon spread Put on a little bit lemon spread lemon spread on lemon sp. Oh, feeling no elf ears Feeling all your fears Willow vs Evil Witch Nasty little son of a. Willow vs Evil Witch Sassy little

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sassy little rat

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says

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

a little Frodo

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back in a larger wood backing where you know I should. Oh, love with the hobbies.

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Oh, yeah. What's up? Welcome.

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[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

Part two of my Hobbit Deep Dive the Hobbit Deep Dive that you've all been requesting. Test Test. All right, let's get into it. So if you saw part one and yeah, I'm still on the road obviously, so wish I could give you a better aesthetic, a better vibe, but this is how it is. This is where we are. You know, I've got I want to thank whoever in the comments recommended that I listen to the lectures of Dr. Rachel Brown. She's University of Chicago. Don't know much about her, but she is, I think just a literary professor and we did get into some of her lectures and just to kind of cap it off with her analysis, I think, or to begin it. To begin it off, I should say she had some good insights. I think she had an interesting point about Tolkien really being informed by liturgy, which vindicates the thesis that I had that this is a world that is re enchanted. It's a world where myth is not lie or deception. Myth is in fact how humans derive and understand truth. Meaning that stories with beginnings, middles and ends are the way that we come to know our place in the universe, our place in our own lives as stories with beginning, middles and ends. In fact, although you might not think it's related, but transcendental argumentation has an element to where you could argue that the way humans are so constituted, we only come to know things with beginning, middle and end structures, for example, not just our lives. But if you Think about every conversation, every interaction has a beginning of the interaction, a process, a middle, and then some end or purpose or completion. And so all of reality for human experience is constituted in this tripartite way. Beginning, middle and end. And so there's a kind of a triad there, you could say, that underlies human knowledge, interaction, meaning, society in general. And Tolkien is essentially giving us the same idea with the fact that our lives are structured like stories, our days are structured in this way. Our liturgical cycle and calendar has these patterns and structures to them. And that's really what gives our existence and our world and our life meaning for humans. The modern postmodern, post scientific enlightenment world that is about abstracting knowledge, about making knowledge essentially divorced from beginning, middle and end. It's really just meaningless integers or abstractions into a kind of mathematical superstructure that doesn't have a beginning, middle and end is antithetical to the way humans relate to the world. Humans relate to the world through stories. And Dr. Brown, in her lecture to summarize, went into the text of the Lord of the Rings. We aren't there yet. We will get there. Obviously we're still doing Hobbit, but there are significant sections in Lord of the Rings. And of course, I love the full volume that has all the Alan Lee art. Many people were asking me, which versions should I get. Well, as you can tell, you know, the Alan Lee art is what inspired obviously the films and the aesthetic of the Lord of the Rings films. So I would recommend the full all three books in one book version that has all the Allen Lee art. But beyond that, I want to note that there's a great conversation that's had between Samwise and Frodo at one point in the journey where they laugh about being in the midst of the story. And there's a kind of a meta, meta discussion going on because Frodo doesn't really think about it. But Sam actually has the insight and explains to Frodo that Mr. Frodo, maybe one day they'll sing songs about us. We'll be.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

We'll be there like the people in

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

the stories, except we'll be the story.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

Oh,

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

and they. It's kind of goofy in the films, but.

[Jay Dyer]

And then Frodo makes that joke, tell me about Sam.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

I want them all about Sam.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

And that's actually an important text in the literature aspect of this because it's a meta narrative talking about how this, the text is seen as something to be read over and over. And one of the clues to that is that Sam has this odd phrase where he says we'll be like the sections in the red and the black. And a lot of people are debating even to this day what DE Tolkien mean by Samwise referring to being red and the red and the black. And I think I know what this is because I had a background as a traditional Catholic and the Roman Breviary, the Roman missile, especially if you went to the Latin Mass, is red and black and this would be a liturgical text. And even Rachel Brown, the professor, says this is probably possibly some liturgical text because that's the way medieval liturgical texts were colored at times and that's the

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[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

Missile is is designated at least the pre Vatican 2 traditional Latin Mass missile. I still have mine from when I was a trad cat and it's quite marked up and it has a lot of, you know, insights and notes that are that are good even if it's, you know, Roman Catholic. And that that's relevant because of course JRR Tolkien was a trad cat and was a devotee of the Latin Mass and famously walked out of the Novus Ordo when he saw it because he saw it as a Protestantized, you know, accurately basically demolition, you could say, of the Tridentine Mass tradition. So anyway, that's a key insight here to the idea of we are all then participating in a cosmic liturgy, which is more of an orthodox idea. Not that that doesn't exist in the Latin west, but it's again more prominent in Eastern liturgical tradition to think of ourselves as participating, not just in the local liturgy of our church, but that the liturgy itself is a cosmic liturgy again, echoing Saint Maximus the Confessor. And perhaps this year at our conference, I might even do a talk on an orthodox appraisal of Middle Earth or of the Lord of the Rings. Of course, a lot of people in our sphere, Neil DeGarde, Father Stephen DeYoung, Tim Gordon, all of these guys are Lord of the Rings Spurgs. So I think we have a lot of people to tap into when it comes to this. We can find our own little fellowship, Fellowship of the Spurgs. And we can all collaborate on figuring out.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

That's your photo.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

Jamie's in there cracking up, aren't you? Jamie's laughing. So every time I say biter and beater, Jamie doesn't know what I'm talking about because I'm. I keep referring to glam, drinking, an orchest, Biter and Peter. It just sounds ridiculous. But the names of the swords, the goblin cleavers. Anyway, so we saw in the first half, if you guys know, we got to the point in the story where they had. Where did we get to?

[Jay Dyer]

I forget.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

They had basically gotten to the base of the. The mountain, the Lonely Mountain. And we were talking about what we had already seen Tolkien drawing from in terms of Beorn, the skinchanger, in terms of magical technology, already kind of being hinted at as a dangerous thing that can be turned into a thing that enslaves its holders, its users, whether it's men or hobbits or even elves. For example, as we know, Galadriel gets tempted with the ring, and she says she will turn into, I don't know, female bitch version of Sauron. I forget what.

[Jay Dyer]

What she's tempted with exactly.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

But I forgot to mention, as well, as many people have noted, of course, Tolkien was a translator as well as we know, and a scholar of Beowulf. And he begins, actually, Beowulf studies for those that don't know. Just like Umberto Eco kind of begins bond studies. A lot of people don't know that he was a bondologist. And sometimes notable scholars and linguists like Tolkien or Umberto Eco, sometimes they actually create little sub disciplines. And so Tolkien is famous for translating one of the early Middle English versions of Beowulf for modern scholars. I had a grad class on Middle English, and it is like another language.

[Jay Dyer]

It's very difficult.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

It's like learning some other languages, not like English, as we think of it today. But we noted, as you guys recall, the. The danger of machinery, the fact that the ring itself is Kind of a technology, a magical technology that transcends time and space. It allows you to see far away. It expands, extends life. We know that Bilbo ends up living longer. And as he gives up the ring at the beginning of Lord of the Rings, he seems to even kind of age quicker. That's noted very early on in the text. But anyway, we saw the different wizards, their elemental connections and structure. We saw oblique references to the neuromancer at Dol Guldur, which is of course later revealed to be Saruman. Excuse me, Sauron, but something I noticed that I don't think anyone else has noted. And I am aware that at the beginning of the Lord of the Rings, in the introductory essay, the Little Prologue, Tolkien says he is not a huge fan of allegory. And he likes history over allegory. And I think that's important to mention because a lot of people will take issue and have this sort of default, there's no allegory, there's no symbolism in Lord of the Rings. Now, there's a difference between allegory and symbolism and something being set against history allegorically. So a lot of times in literature, allegory is seen as something ahistorical and non historical. In that context, Tolkien is, I think, telling us that he's writing a story that's kind of like historical fiction. It does not mean he's necessarily always opposed to symbolism. It's rather that he's not interested in writing something that is not historically grounded or not historical fiction. Does that make sense? Because a lot of times allegory just simply means ahistorical or not literal. But you could have something in biblical hermeneutics, for example, be history and allegory. This is the quadraga, or the fourfold sense of scripture. You have the literal, you have the anagogical, you have the spiritual, and you have the allegorical or the tropological being the moral. So you got these different senses of scripture in the classical medieval formulation. And certainly as a medievalist, Tolkien would have been aware of this. I say this because, again, many people will take issue with the Christian symbolism and Christian symbology that I think is everywhere in the text. Obviously, I don't think the texts are only Christian or only some sort of Christian symbolism. Certainly it pulls from the Eddas, it pulls from Celtic, you know, mythology, etc. There's a lot of different areas that he pulls from. I had a class on Nordic and medieval texts in grad school, so I am aware of the Eddas and these things. And I'm aware of Tolkien finding a lot of influence and inspiration from those texts. And certainly those texts are not very allegorical. They're very sort of one layered or mono tiered. But that doesn't mean that there's not a profuse amount of Christian symbolism and Christian history packed within the Lord of the Rings. And I think that that's absolutely the case. In fact, I'm going to again argue that Tolkien even relied heavily on deuterocanonical texts. And nobody else that I've seen has even made this connection. For example, the Oliphants. The Oliphants are very reminiscent of a scene in the Maccabees where you have elephants coming into battle. The magical swords that we see throughout Lord of the Rings, right, those recall the shards of Narsil, or this recalls the magical sword that we see appearing, for example, in the Maccabees. And these are just texts that a lot of people forget because they don't spend a lot of time reading the Deuterocanon. There's a lot of things in the Deuterocanon that are relevant because Tolkien translated, if not Jonah, it might have been Jonah, but one of the other texts, if not Jonah, for the Jerusalem Bible. So he was aware of obviously Old Testament minor prophets and would have read obviously the Deuterocanonical text as well as the Deuterocanon as part of the Roman Catholic canon of Scripture, as well as orthodox. So these are texts and traditions that most people don't look to. So pulling a heavily from biblical tradition, pulling heavily from the Deuterocanon, pulling heavily from Christian history and civilization, for example, Byzantium, as you guys may know, it's pretty well known and undisputed that Constantinople is really kind of the symbol or the basis for Minas Tirith. And Gondor is Byzantium. In fact, the beacon lighting system that they had in Gondor is essentially the beacon system of Byzantium to warn against invaders. And just as Byzantium was kind of a bulwark against the hordes of the east, in the same way Minas Tirith and Osgiliath are essentially the bulwarks against the hordes of the east of Mordor, in fact, we're even told that Sauron recruits evil men of the east to become part of his vast horde of the armies of Mordor. So Tolkien, I think, is going beyond just some sort of mere World War II analysis and tapping into just more of an eschatological story of the end of the age at the end of the time of the Great War for the Ring, as it's called, the beginning of Lord of the Rings. In the same way there's a mini apocalypse or a mini end times, so to speak, in the Hobbit, which as we said, in many, many ways mirrors the longer Lord of the Rings. Hobbit is a mini Lord of the Rings in terms of its structure and journey. So all of that in mind, then we can come to some of the areas that I think no one else has really plumbed the depths of with regard to what's going on in the Hobbit, particularly with the Jews and the relationship of the Jews to Gentiles and the Gentile Church.

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[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

There is basis for this in a 1971 BBC interview, Tolkien was asked, is there a connection between the Dwarves and Jews? And he laughed and said obviously, of course, so that settles that issue. But nobody else has really, as far as I'm aware. I'm not a super scholar of Hobbit lore and maybe somebody has noticed this, but I haven't noticed anyone talking about the desolation of smog. That's curious terminology because again, that's deuterocanonical terminology with the desolation that occurs in terms of the Maccabees when the temple is desecrated under Antiochus Epiphanes who sacrifices a pig on the altar and desecrates it, leading to the abomination of desolation. That's also referenced in the Book of Daniel. Right. If we remember that. Well, it's not just those texts, it's also Christ who refers to the abomination of desolation in Luke 21, Matthew 24. And at the end of the Gospel of Mark in the Olivet discourse, Christ talks about the abomination of desolation. And this is an end of the Old Testament period, an end of the age of the aeon of the temple and its administration that is wrapped up like a scroll, as Hebrews says, and is essentially done with now that the Messianic age has commenced, now that the Messiah has come. In like manner, we have a desolation that occurs with Smaug taking the homeland, taking the place of the people who dwell under the mountain, in this case the Jews or the dwarves, who are associated with jewels, who are associated with the flow of gold, the forge that exists underneath the mountain and it returning to its former glory. But what's interesting is that there's a great sacrifice that has to occur before this revitalization, this resurrection occurs for the dwarves to find their homeland again. The dwarves are of course a wandering people in Middle Earth, but they have this curious Arkenstone. And I think the Arkenstone is the key point here that as I'm listening to this, I'm thinking, well, I didn't understand the obvious connection between the dwarves and the Jews, but what about the connection between, for example, desolation and the abomination of desolation, the desolation of smog? Again, Tolkien was a biblical scholar as well as historian and linguist. So he would have been familiar with the allusions to biblical eschatological type events, but also to the idea that the Arkenstone which is the divine right, it's the holy stone that gives the right to rule for the sons of Thorin. Or you might could even see this kind of akin to the Davidic lineage, right? The line of David. And what's the relationship of the Jews and this right to rule? Because of course the scepter, as we know from Genesis 49, doesn't depart from the house of David until the coming of Shiloh, until the gentile nations look to Shiloh. If the Arkenstone, which is defined as or explained to mean the divine right, rulership stone, or the holy stone, the precious stone, well, this is the stone cut without hands. This is the precious stone which is Christ. Christ is the divine stone cut without hands. In other words, he has a divine nature. He's not just a human creation or a created being. He has a human nature, but he's not only that. He's a divine person who assumes a human nature. And so the Arkenstone I'm reading this in as a symbol of Christ. The stone cut without hands, the precious stone. Another reason I think this is the case is that when the armies come before the door of the mines and Thorin and the dwarves are holed up in there they're essentially captive in there. Gandalf is who emerges in a disguise as an old man with a casket. And when he opens the casket, the Arkenstone is in the casket. Because, of course, Bilbo had given the Arkenstone to Thranduil and Bard and Gandalf. And this of course, shocks Thorin. He can't believe it. He thinks he's been betrayed. But what has to happen is, of course, the death and the sacrifice of Thorin. Thorin gives up the precious stone. He loses the precious stone, the thing that he held dearest. Which is, of course, that the Jews, for example, in this symbolism would produce the Messiah. It's lost. It goes to the Gentiles, it goes to the elves and the men. They end up with the Arkenstone, the

[Jay Dyer]

great treasure of his people.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

Also remember that this is inside the mountain. And the mountain here is Sinai, is Golgotha. So I read that as essentially the right to divine rulership is ultimately Christ in the Davidic lineage. But the loss of that ends up with the loss of that rulership and authority on earth for the Jews and even the Davidic lineage. Because the seed of David that rules now according to Jeremiah 31 and 33, is forever. And it's the seed of David that rules in heaven from the right hand of the Father. So Christ is the Arkenstone. The Jews lose this Arkenstone, they end up in this terrible situation. But there's hope because out of this they can eventually come to realize and regain the Arkenstone. Namely, the person of Christ. As Romans 11 says, when perhaps the Jews do engage in future repentance. So Soren dies. This becomes a kind of a salvific death. And he says as he's dying that he knows that he will be with his fathers or something to this effect until the world is renewed. So there is this eschatological hope for resurrection in the universe of Middle Earth. And there is of course also an eschatological final battle for Middle Earth. We don't really see this in the era of the Ring. That's for some future, you know, time unwritten as of yet. Because the Lord of the Rings is of course, the culmination of the Third Age. So with that in mind, I think a lot of this makes more sense because this is more of an mini eschatology, right? Because this then leads to. There's a kind of an Armageddon here. There's only 10 pages in the chapter what is a break into the clouds that deals with the final battle or the battle of the five armies, where ultimately even nature comes to the aid of those who are good and who are on the side of good to defeat, in this case, the goblins and the army of the goblins.

[Jay Dyer]

So you have a mini Armageddon, you

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

have a mini abomination of desolation. The dragon is defeated, the armies of the goblins are ultimately defeated. And we are told then, according to Tolkien, that the theme here is food, cheer and song are more important than gold. That's the message that Thorin learns, right? So at the end, courage and bravery, food, cheer and merriment, mirth, as Charles Carroll always says, is more important than the accumulation of gold and worldly power. And perhaps there's a message that Tolkien has for people and Middle Eastern people in this regard because then they could see that their true Arkenstone is Christ. Greed and war keep the races divided. And this aids the great serpent, this aids ultimately Sauron. Because remember, the same pattern and structure occurs in the Lord of the Rings that we see here occurring in the Hobbit. And as we've already noted, goblins are clearly references to demons in the demonic elves are either the representation of the higher nature of man or man as immortal, or also perhaps angelic. As we said, Gollum was the trickster archetype or perhaps even a Gollum type of character from a Jewish Kabbalistic mythology. But Bilbo is also kind of a trickster, if you recall. Bilbo out wits Gollum when they have their riddle battle. And so he escapes with the ring. The ring, as we said, is sort of only a side character in the Hobbit. It's not the main character becomes kind of the main character obviously in the Lord of the Rings. But here it's kind of just a side character, kind of a macguffin, that it's a magical object that we don't really know a lot about yet. But we know that there's something coming on and that there's some connection with this necromancer, perhaps regard to the Ring. But keep in mind that this will go much deeper into Neoplatonic and Platonic mythology as well, because it's not just the Ring of Gyges, but when we get into the Lord of the Rings, there's explicit reference to Atlantis, which is Numenor. There's explicit reference, references to creation in a kind of a Neoplatonic way. This is why Iluvatar, for example, who is the creator of Middle Earth, the God of Middle Earth is called Iluvatar. He creates from his mind as the angels sing. And this is what we get, for example, in the Silmarillion. This is again a different type of world, a world where you have celestial spheres that perhaps sing music as the ancient and medieval world used to conceive of the celestial spheres, right? This is a world again re impregnated with liturgy and mystagogy, to use the terminology of Saint Maximus. That makes all of reality a kind of living symbol of the Logos.

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[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

Although that's not the explicit meaning of the Lord of the Rings, that type of worldview is the worldview of Middle Earth and the worldview that Tolkien is trying to, I think introduce us to or reintroduce us to. And thus the symbolism of Christianity is so profuse even under some of the layers of the Nordic and you know, Celtic symbology that we see so prevalent in the story. And we're going to note as well that the ring, for example, Bilbo doesn't misuse it. Maybe he abuses it later on, but at least in the story it's really only utilized when it's absolutely necessary. And again, this theme that I think probably everybody's aware of with the Hobbit or with Lord of the Rings is that these types of great evils are only overcome through great humility. For example, Bilbo has no grand designs to take over the world but he ends up being able to multiple times save the Dwarves and multiple times even basically save Middle Earth, you could say via the defeat of Smaug. Because Bilbo is the one that gets the intelligence, right? That Smaug has the missing breastplate where he has a soft weak spot. You know, he, he just over and over helps them even. Even defying Thorin to save Thorin. Right? Because giving the Arkenstone to Thranduil was much better in the long run for everybody than had he given the Arkenstone to Thorin who was beginning to be eaten up with greed and corruption. And we saw the same greed eat up the Steward of Laketown who ends up with the Dragon sickness, right? So Dragon sickness is referenced specifically in regard to the steward of Lake Town even though in the films they, they make it very explicit in regard to Thorin. But yeah, you could say that dragon sickness or the greed that you get from the temptation of the wealth and perhaps even the Arkenstone here because of the power that it gives it becomes a distraction from the thing that matters most. And Bilbo teaches this lesson to Thorin that what matters the most is cheer and people and life and love in virtue and honor, not accumulating fat stacks.

[Guest/Co-host]

Right?

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

And so as we consider the,

[Guest/Co-host]

the

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

themes here with salvation, soteriology, Christology, you know, I think we've gone pretty deep, especially when we got into the,

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the

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

symbology of the, the elemental, you know, colors related to the wizards. We're going to see a lot more of that type of depth when we get into Lord of the Rings and the Silmarillion because again, you have to understand there is explicit, clear Neoplatonic reference. Particularly because the Valar are involved in the creation account which is here different than the Christian, Christian ex nilo creation account. Here Illuvitar creates and the, the Valar, if I recall in the Silmarillion are kind of co creators and so they kind of sing and help create existence along with him. And this is explicitly spoken of. For example, I think it's early on, I'll have to look again but it's, it's been years since I've looked at the Silmarillion. But early on it discussed, it discusses that the world was created as a circle or time and space, or kind of like a circle. So if you think about all the directions, right, 360 degrees is a circle. Bilbo's journey there and back again is a full circle because it says that it took him a year to do the whole. The whole journey of there and back again is one year. That's 365 days. That's a circle. The ring, then, is the circle and it's the circle. That's not just the Neoplatonic concentric circles of the celestial spheres, but it's also the circle of time and space and transcending that, or stepping out above and beyond the limitations of time and space. And this idea is also in other areas of the Lord of the Rings and in the ancient stories and in the earlier ages, for example, the Valar forbid the Numenoreans to do certain things or to go certain places. And just like the Atlanteans in Atlantis, which, again, is a Platonic. It's in the Platonic corpus, in the Timaeus and Croesus, I think, or Crito. It's either Crisis or Crito, but the remnants of the legend of the myth of Atlantis, which in the Lord of the Rings is the Numenoreans, explicitly, it gets flooded when it has this advanced technology and this advanced power that it misuses. And then only certain members are saved through boats, which is Noah. This is the story of Noah. And they have the tree. I think they have some of the seeds of one of the trees of Lord of the Rings mythology. And we'll get into those trees because this also, I think, pulls from not just the Tree of Knowledge and the Tree of Life in Genesis and in Scripture, but also Yggdrasil, which is the universal tree of Nordic mythology. I think Tolkien is kind of seeing connections between all these as well. And we're going to note as we get into this that it's not just Neoplatonism, it's also history. So it's. This is a curious collection of influences because Neoplatonism typically has been very ahistorical. It's been against history. And Tolkien, again, as we see, is very much a fan of history. In fact, he's more interested in history than ahistorical things. So it's curious and it's. It's fascinating that he pulls from, obviously, Neoplatonism. We have that confirmed with the. Not just obviously what's in the Silmarillion, but we have that confirmed with the references to Ransom in the appendix of volume one of the Space Trilogy where C.S. lewis is talking to Professor Ransom, who is Tolkien and Tolkien says or Ransom says, yes, I've stumbled upon other worlds through studying medieval Neoplatonic texts.

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AKA the other worlds of Middle Earth, perhaps Narnia, etc. And what's going on in these other realms, so to speak. Not Multiverse, but other other worlds. So we also have warnings, as we said, about the rise of technology. And that's going to be very prominent, very clear when we see not just the warning that we have with the goblins creating the weapons of mass destruction that the hobbit says, but also the references to the necromancers powers, the powers that Saruman will develop. Saruman's desire to be the many colored wizard to have all the elements under his mastery, all time and space, weather control, etc, all of what Saruman engages, including gunpowder. Think about how Gandalf, for example, who is not interested in domination or violating nature. Gandalf's good white magic or his virtue is in the case of say, gunpowder, it's just the firecracker show that he puts on for Bilbo's birthday party. Whereas for Saruman gunpowder is an implement of war. And in the prologue of Lord of the Rings, for example, Tolkien makes it clear that hobbits are simple people, they're not into magic and they don't like technology. And so for them they don't see or perceive using or misusing nature in that way, right? Nature should be something that you kind of live in harmony with, not against in the, in the sense of taking without need. Hobbits, for example, don't even kill unless they need, right? So you can kill a brace abrasive coneys Mr. Photograph. But you would only do that if you're in need. You don't kill for sport, he says. So again, the themes of the Palantir stone, Palantia, Palantir technology, etc, those kinds of warnings, the all seeing eye that Saruman intends to possess and even some of the terminology that's used. This is my own speculation. I'm not a. You haven't gone deep into this, but I noticed that the, some of the places associated with Mordor are very Khazarian sounding, right? You have the Khan, you have Khazar, the Bridge of Khazad Dum, and there's even places and locations that sound. Khazarian. Now again, I don't know that Tolkien had any interest in the Khazarian theory of Kessler. That's not what I'm saying. But it is a fact that that many Ashkenazi Jews do trace to Khazarian lineage. I'm not saying that all Jews are Khazarian. That's not the point. I'm just making an association that is potentially there with the types of terminology. Because again, we know that in the case of the world map of Eurasia, those places are essentially

[Jay Dyer]

the areas where

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

Mordor would be and that's the danger to the west, right? And Tolkien explains very clearly at the beginning of Lord of the Rings that he's not writing all this as some story of World War II, right? So if you look at the context of when he talks about it not being allegory, it's in the context of saying it is not an allegory of World War II. Now Tolkien was not totally against allegory because he wrote other works that are famous allegories. And if you listen to Dr. Rachel Brown's lectures, she points that out. So again, it's not an anti symbolic treatise or work. And as we will notice when I bring a bunch of Lord of the Spurgs people on, I guarantee you most of them will probably agree. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Tim Gordon, I know Tim Gordon has a specific theological reference to a lot of this. I think for example, the Limbus bread, it's very similar to the Eucharist. And so we have Kind of sacramental objects throughout the story that are clearly reminiscent of, of Christianity. But we'll get to all that when we get to the Lord of the Rings and when we get to other elements of the Numenoreans and the, the Silmarillion and this, the old age, etc otherwise. I hope you guys enjoyed the initial assessment of the Hobbit. I'm sure that many of you will point out things that I missed. Most of what we've seen so far is not, is, is not super deep. It's just kind of giving us a taste of what we're going to get into in the Lord of the Rings. Although we do think we have, because we know these other subjects, right. I do think we have kind of a basis to understand for example, the Catabasis, right, We've seen in this story essentially there's two katabas seas. There is the first katabasis when they go underneath the Misty Mountains and they face off against the, the Great Goblin and then they emerge to, to safety after destroying him. And then we have the Katabasis of going down into the forges of the halls of the Dwarves underneath the Lonely Mountain and then battle with Smaug and then kind of a resurrection of you

[Jay Dyer]

say, Mount Sinai to Golgotha, right?

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

To the Heavenly Mountain which is essentially what the Lonely Mountain becomes. It becomes this heavenly mountain where the greenery and the flowers bloom again after, you know, many, many years, many decades of essentially being a burned out wasteland due to smogs burning it out. But so there we have my assessment of the Hobbit as a prelude to our deep dive into the Lord of the Rings. And we're going to get deep into all of that. And also more things I think that I noticed as we, as I began rereading Fellowship of the Ring that also I think point to his time in espionage. Right now I don't think this means that as far as we know, Tolkien himself was not trained himself as some field operative, but he was utilized for his cryptographic and linguistic connections and associations and deep knowledge for World War II Bletchley Park Enigma machine type cryptography. And wouldn't you know, that's exactly what you have in the appendices is really the creation of his own languages. And I have no proof of this. I'm just wondering, wouldn't it be interesting if the British had utilized Elvish or something like that to, to communicate? Because it would be a perfect thing that the Japanese would never know what, what, what that is. They would, they could never decode Tolkien's Elvish or something like that, or the Black Speech of Mordor.

[Jay Dyer]

But again, I'm just speculating because these

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

kinds of invented languages have been used in the past for intelligence agencies and kings and others to send secret cryptographic messages. This is very important in the ancient medieval world. And if you study the history of cryptography, I've read several books on that, you'll find that to be the case. And it's not accidental that he went to work for two years at Bletchley park studying cryptography and decoding tiny Mustache man messages, and that that might be a factor in some of the espionage activities of both Bilbo Frodo, Gandalf and Elrond and others. Otherwise, if you enjoyed this, tell me what I missed and what I need to look into. You guys are also a source of intelligence and a source of crowdsourced insights, so let me know.

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Eastern mysticism is very compatible with the

[Jay Dyer]

sorts of mystic ideas that Epstein seemed to be involved with. Shia Islam is also straight up Neoplatonism. They even say the Quran is actually a mystical Neoplatonic text.

[Guest/Co-host]

Interesting.

[Jay Dyer]

Which is the earliest antithesis of Christianity? The earliest Church fathers that were defending the Trinity were fighting Neoplatonic doctrine. So Christianity is not Neoplatonism. It is Trinitarian which is not Neoplatonic. They had to fight the Platonic Academy. That's why Saint Justinian And Byzanthumi outlawed the Platonic Academy because there was so much confusion and chaos that Originism and the Neoplatonists were causing. Thank you, Harrison. We just had a John Hagee impersonation challenge in there with Alex a minute ago and the blood moons of Israel. Buy my new book, In Defense of Israel, where you'll learn that Jesus was not the Messiah.

[Guest/Co-host]

So I know we're going to talk a lot about, like, Epstein and stuff, but let's start with that. How do we combat this? How do we combat this? This apocalyptic death cult that is getting us into war with Iran?

[Jay Dyer]

The only way to combat it is to continue what we do, which is to wake people up to the life cult of orthodox Christianity, in my view. So that's the solution, to give people more than just news, but also a worldview of paradigm to live by. I think that's really the only way. It's going to take longer to go that route. But until we reclaim transcendent values and foundations, and we don't just live according to the passions and degeneracy, we're not gonna fix things.

[Guest/Co-host]

Yeah. It seems like there just. There has to be, like, a spiritual element to it because logically, I can't figure it out. I'm like, there's a gap in my understanding of the world. And I'm just like, demons are at work here. Because it's completely illogical. It makes no sense. But it seems like something is possessing these people, trying to get us into war. It's crazy.

[Jay Dyer]

What do you think about that book list that? Doesn't Jeff Epstein have a nice Amazon wish list of books before he supposedly passed away?

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

Speaking of demons and aliens, of all of the names that came out in the Epstein files, a couple stood out to me. One being Deepak Chopra, who said, God is not real, only little girls are real, pleasure is real. And the Dalai Lama. And here is the interesting book list that they found from his Amazon.com. so he was ordering books. Secrets of Western Tantra, Modern Sex Magic, the Jesus Dynasty Chakra and Kundalini Workbook, Ecstasy through Tantra, et cetera. So he was very into Eastern mysticism and demonic activity.

[Jay Dyer]

Right, right.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

So I am going to. Do you know Courtney Turner.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

Yeah, of course.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

So we're gonna do this whole 600 page book on the Dalai Lama. So I just brought some notes from that. And I brought some notes from a book that I just read called Cults of the Shadow by Kenneth Grant, who was a protege of Alster Crowley, who you've been mentioning A little bit on the show because of the files. So this all goes into ET's yoga tantra. And the west kind of views Tibetan mysticism as sort of like a sanitized enlightenment from the East. It's like they promote non violence or rationalism, stuff like that. But there is a shadow behind the person who they call the living Buddha, the Dalai Lama. Right. And he was also into some espionage, if you want to mention that.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

In World War II, the previous or two Dalai Lamas back, however many it was, Western intelligence in general, whether the CIA or Nazi intelligence, tried to sort of make alliances with the Dalai Lama to shore up support geostrategically for the region of Tibetan. Of course we know about Himmler taking that journey of his soldiers into Tibet, into the Himalayas to try to find the root race and all this kind of stuff out of Blavatsky's ideology. But geostrategically it's also been something that the west has seen as a way to shore up support against China. So the Free Tibet Project is a famous CIA operation, declassified now, which people thought about and wrote about for many years, but now we know it's declassified, I think a few months, six months ago. That the Dalai Lama was essentially made an asset of Western intelligence to some degree. Doesn't mean that he was trained as a assassin or something like that, but he was basically working with Western intelligence against China.

[Guest/Co-host]

And you could say the Dalai Lama and American intelligence would have shared interests, they'd want to work together anyway.

[Jay Dyer]

Exactly right.

[Guest/Co-host]

It's just interesting to me. It's like there are a couple figures from history and even now where it's like the Dalai Lama, Mother Teresa, Gandhi, and it's like all of these characters, you don't want to look too far under the surface, but they've been given this just sort of cloak of, you know, perfectness by the media, decade over decade, where their names almost become a byword of righteousness and purity. And the truth is a lot more.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, all of those figures have some degree of co opting intelligence wise at least perhaps in the case of Mother Teresa, you could argue, it's not totally clear, but her orphanages have been investigated for trafficking.

[Guest/Co-host]

Right.

[Jay Dyer]

But also in the case of Gandhi, Gandhi was a Fabian socialist and there's a lot of evidence to suggest that he also worked with British intelligence and he attended the funeral of Madame Blavatsky. So he was interested in theosophy, Fabian socialism. Same with Blavatsky. That's all a Rothschild intelligence network operation so we're beginning to see patterns here of, oh, that's why Blavatsky was going to meet with Soviet intelligence. Those were her ascended masters are actually Soviet intelligence handlers and people like Nicholas Roerich out of Soviet Russia. So sometimes these mystical missions are actually cover for espionage, reconnaissance, that kind of stuff.

[Guest/Co-host]

Just throwing them out. And then there's the weird connections where Gandhi has things where he was testing his purity by sleeping in the same bed as little girls. And then Dalai Lama went viral a couple years ago with a really creepy video where he's like, licking a little. So weird. But yeah, yeah, thank you, your. Your majesty, or whatever they call it.

[Jay Dyer]

Like, I'm just trying to be spiritual.

[Guest/Co-host]

I know, right?

[Jay Dyer]

Why you acting aware?

[Guest/Co-host]

It's like, geez, you know, Catholics, they do the cross and, you know, I guess the Dalai Lama licks little. It just creepy. So there's. There's some creepiness under the surface.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

Completely creepy. And what we've been given is this Hollywood whitewashed version of the spirituality. Talking about compassion, breathing, mindfulness, those buzzwords you have, you know, Richard Gere and Sting.

[Guest/Co-host]

Right, right. The new age, sort of just yoga kind of free love thing.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

Many Tibetan temples. There is a secret room where the public can't enter and often is forbidden to women. And this is a very. Underneath, it's a very misogynistic religion. And that's why it's very sad to see a lot of people getting into yoga and these Eastern. Because when they get into the heart of it, it's all about sucking the female's life force out and destroying them.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, they actually hate women.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

They do. So, yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

Women are latrines.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

Yes. Okay. So the women can't go into these rooms where you're gonna see animal skins, you're gonna see images of wrathful deities holding severed heads and gushing blood everywhere. Garlands of skulls, just total nightmare fuel for doomsday.

[Guest/Co-host]

Right, right.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

Yes. So this Buddhism is not about peace, it's about power. Right. And specifically male power. And the central mystery of this tantric Buddhism involves the sacrifice of the feminine, they call it. And this is the sorcery that manipulates erotic love, not for partnership or romance, but to accumulate, they say, the universal androcentric power. So it's also a about androgyny. So it's not about men either.

[Jay Dyer]

This is why Crowley took all of

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

his tantric stuff from that.

[Jay Dyer]

Right. To channel the magic. And he said the booty hole is better than the vagina. Literally.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

Yes. So the OTO is like the Order of the Eastern Templars. So what he was trying to do is take these things and mix it with Western magic and create something else. Right. And so for the Dalai Lama, like you mentioned, the ritual is politics and you can't separate their magic from the statecraft. And they believe that they are controlling the cosmos as well as the mundane world.

[Guest/Co-host]

Whoa. Yeah, that. That's really interesting. I feel. I can't tell what the connection is yet, but I feel like there's something to do with the Iran war that's connected there. The. The magic affecting the real world and sort of making your own miracles come true by, you know, your own force. Do you see the line I'm trying to draw here?

[Jay Dyer]

We kind of were getting into this in the last hour over there with stuff on Molyneux, which is. I see a connection between usury and sodomy.

[Guest/Co-host]

Right.

[Jay Dyer]

So there's a connection between the promotion of sort of degenerate sexual practices, removing women from the natural function of having a family and kids, and then you have basically just the fulfillment of the passions, which is sterile. It doesn't produce life in the same way that users banking systems do not produce. They are really just rapacious and they're sort of predatory.

[Guest/Co-host]

Right.

[Jay Dyer]

And people have actually historically written about how usury and sodomy go together because a society that's usurious is also a sodomy based society.

[Guest/Co-host]

Wow. Yeah, that's. That's fascinating. Yeah. So sacrificing the feminine and so. Sorry, just the way that you phrased it, I thought. I thought was. Was really good. So it's. They basically the statecraft and the mysticism are intertwined. Can you elaborate a little on that?

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

So he's just like the universal king.

[Guest/Co-host]

Right?

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

Right. The Dalai Lama is. And how they get to this place is the use of women's sexuality. So going back to the Buddha, his mother, who was named Queen Maya, which is also the word for illusion. Right. So the mundane world, the physical world, is seen as feminine. It's not real. It's something to transcend or sacrifice on your way to apotheosis. Okay. And so she died seven days after giving birth to Buddha. And they see this not as a tragedy, but as a theological necessity because they have to transcend the physical world for the spirit to triumph. They say the mother has to be removed from the picture and enlightenment requires the destruction and transcendence of the feminine natural world. So that's why you see. Well, not the only reason, but you do see it a lot in popular culture. Where the tale of the hero starts with the death of the mother.

[Guest/Co-host]

Right?

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

And so very many Disney movies have this, not just for trauma, but they're also trying to implement these Eastern ways of thinking into the West. Right.

[Jay Dyer]

Another reason for that, by the way, is because Eastern thinking is typically collectivist.

[Guest/Co-host]

Right?

[Jay Dyer]

And Aldous Huxley in his book Perennial Philosophy, says, we have to inculcate this collectivist perspective in the West.

[Guest/Co-host]

Everyone belongs to everyone else.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Then your bound to the morals of the global village, right?

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

No boundaries.

[Guest/Co-host]

And this, you know, one thing I always think about, I talk. I was talking to a Christian missionary who would go to, I think it was Thailand, but he would try to rescue women that were trapped in sex slavery. And like, his biggest barrier was their own unwillingness to change their condition. Because religiously they're taught, you know, life is pain and you're sort of a bad person if you try to stop the suffering that you're experiencing. I didn't really understand it, but this guy, I mean, he's talking from personal experience and he's going, look, there are women in really bad situations. But, like, they thought it was a sin to try to change that and they wouldn't come. Even though we're like, we have a. We can take you away. We can take you to the West. You can be free. They wouldn't do it because there's this religious inclination to, like, feel bad about not suffering.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

I don't.

[Guest/Co-host]

I don't know if y' all run into that.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

Oh, yeah, it wasn't Santa Claus.

[Jay Dyer]

Saint Nicholas, didn't he rescue women from sex slavery? Yes, that's so Orthodox Christianity is the opposite. Like, opposite with Orthodoxy is that, no, you don't have to be a slave. At least ideally you shouldn't if there's a way out.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

So, yeah, so, yeah, sex slavery was the way of the pagan world until Christendom and he came and dethroned all of that temple prostitution, basically. But for the Buddha, he calls women wandering latrines and a swamp of garbage. So people who are like, anti patriarchy or anti Christian and they want to go to these mystical Eastern religions and they get embroiled in these ideas of

[Jay Dyer]

thinking like Instagram yoga chicks that think that it's like, yeah, yeah, they think

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

this is so peaceful and nice, but it's not.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

No.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

So in early Buddhism, the female body was viewed with absolute disgust, and monks were instructed to meditate on the decomposition of female corpses. And the goal was to kill their own sexual desire.

[Guest/Co-host]

Oh, my God.

[Jay Dyer]

So basically, it's fake and gay.

[Guest/Co-host]

I think that's what I'm hearing.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

Yeah, it gets really gross too. And if we get started talking about Kenneth Grant, it gets even worse. But so in Buddhism, a woman cannot achieve full enlightenment as a woman. You have to be reborn as a man and then you're on your way. So it's like a biological glass ceiling. A woman must generate enough good karma to be born again as a man. And that's what you guys were talking about. You don't interfere with other people's karma because they have done something to deserve your circumstances in this life.

[Guest/Co-host]

Oh, okay. Yeah, that makes sense. And I guess personally they can go, well, I deserve this situation that I'm in because my past life or whatever, that's, that's extremely dangerous. And then there's, there's elements of the human sacrifice there too, I guess.

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[Guest/Co-host]

Mental, I guess mentally sacrificing the women or are they physically all of it? Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, there's a lot. They have a teaching of a left handed path that you have to down in order to fully experience the totality of reality. You can't just be good, you also have to experience all forms of evil. So. And that's part of the tantric left hand path.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

Right.

[Guest/Co-host]

And that's some sabbatine frankism and there's a bunch of heresies that. Yeah. Follow that.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

Yeah. So the Tantra is explicitly sexual, but it's not about pleasure or partnership or children or family. The method they call the method is masculine and wisdom is feminine. And there's also a correlation between the Greek philosophy of Zeus and this, because Zeus swallows wisdom and gives birth to Athena from his own head.

[Guest/Co-host]

Right.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

And so the male method of tantra eats the women he manipulates and appropriates the female wisdom. And so you have these yogis, these gurus, these mystical guys. They are trying to unite with women to absorb their energy, and they call this gynergy.

[Guest/Co-host]

Right, okay, makes sense.

[Jay Dyer]

Sure.

[Guest/Co-host]

Yeah. Why not?

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

The vital power or force that the yogi is after. And the goal of the practitioner of tantra is to become androgynous.

[Guest/Co-host]

Interesting. To transcend above gender divisions because you're more enlightened if you understand the sophisticated understanding that gender is a social construct. That's. Yeah. Amazing delusion. Right.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

He needs the fuel of the feminine energy because he lacks that specific vitality. So the woman is basically a battery that is to be used up, and the husk, or the person afterwards is discarded once it is drained. So the yogi uses the woman as a tool, and once he's got the juice, we can talk about the juice. He. He throws away the fruit. Literally. And so she is no more of use to him than a nutshell.

[Guest/Co-host]

Yeah. Wow. And people have no idea that this is the way that Eastern religions.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

So when you go and sit with your yogi or your Maharishi or your guru and you're worshiping Osho is a good example of that. Right. Who turned out to be working with the government and having a cult trying to murder people, take over the town, get all of their votes.

[Guest/Co-host]

Oh, was this the Wild, Wild Country? Yeah. Oh, my God. That's like one of the most informative documentaries of all time.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

Yeah.

[Guest/Co-host]

Because that one has that, that, that characterization where it's all sort of upper class neoliberal, like, professionals that just get sucked into this, like, weirdo sex cult stuff. And it's like, these are intelligent, thoughtful American people, but they just fall for this crap.

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Why?

[Guest/Co-host]

Why is it so? Why is it people like that and not field workers and construction workers that get pulled into this stuff?

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

I always ask that, like, how do they pay their bills?

[Guest/Co-host]

Right.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

So dumb.

[Jay Dyer]

It was the same with Heaven's Gate too. Like, that was all like a bunch of wealthy, you know, yuppie professionals that were into Heaven's Gate and they're like, yeah, we're gonna catch the Tale of Hale Bob comment right away.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

It was like, what?

[Guest/Co-host]

Like, why? Yeah, what is it about that? Because, I mean, I guess you. You can see it Sort of all over the place. It's, it's, it's the, you know, it's academia, it's people that go to college. They come out, you know, thinking all this weirdo, exotic stuff is. I guess it's fascinating, but, you know, it just makes it even more abundantly clear how right Christianity is. It's like we're the only religion that actually treats women correctly. People don't know that. And I'm even seeing now things of, you know, women making the argument that, you know, the hijab is actually about freeing women because it blocks you from the male gaze. I mean, there's this weird sort of inversion where women who are feminists gravitate to the most misogynistic religions.

[Jay Dyer]

There's a sort of a punishment complex there where they sort of have this inner desire to want to be dominated, I think because they don't see masculinity typically in the west. And so they sort of grasp for what they perceive to be a dominating

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

masculine force, which is Islam, which is not.

[Jay Dyer]

It's actually a, a terrible cult once you study Islam in depth, which I

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

ended up doing last several years.

[Jay Dyer]

So, yeah, it's ridiculous. By the way, the veiling doesn't even

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

come originally from Muhammad.

[Jay Dyer]

It's actually a Byzantine tradition that was adopted.

[Guest/Co-host]

Interesting.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

And then they sort of took it

[Jay Dyer]

crazy with, you know, basically covering your entire base.

[Guest/Co-host]

Because Christianity has traditions where, you know, women have to be covered when they go into church. And obviously, you know, if you're a nun and you're wearing the habit, that's completely different than, you know, the seven year old. Happy birthday. Put the hood on. You know, I mean that these are, you know, completely different things, even though people try to relate them. Jamie, as a woman, what the hell, you guys. I mean, what are you. Why like. And I'm kidding, obviously, but it is, it's a, it is a very sort of female phenomenon that women will like, gravitate towards these really misogynistic states of mind, worldviews, religions. Why do you think that is?

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

I don't know. I mean, I was just making a joke the other day, like, if the feminists could have been good for anything, it would have been, you know, stopping Islamification, one would think. But it seems to make sense.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

Feminism has always been astroturfed.

[Jay Dyer]

That's the thing is, like, it's not a real organic movement that women just decided, oh, we want to be, you know, not having to work in factories and we want to have the right to vote. It was always astroturf it was always supported by cunning elites and banking elites that knew that this would upend society by getting women to think that they've been deprived of not having the role

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

of a man, which is just insidious.

[Jay Dyer]

And it's actually, as Tim Gordon often says, or Andrew Wilson, Rachel Wilson often point out, it's the original gender dysmorphia.

[Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

To make you think that you're being sold a lie by not being a

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

man when it's like they're complementary.

[Jay Dyer]

Men and women are complementary, obviously. And by the way, as Jimmy was saying, like, it's an attack on the source of life.

[Guest/Co-host]

Yep.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

I mean, we come from women, we

[Jay Dyer]

don't come from test tubes.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

Well, you can't separate men and women. You can't. If you are anti woman, you're anti man. If you're anti man, you're anti family. So you can't. It's. If you wanted a good example of Eastern thought about this, the dao is one of those things, the yin yang, that's like male and female. You cannot separate those. But for tantra, there's three kinds of women. So you have your flesh and blood partners. Step one, use all the women that you can, collect all of their energy and discard them. Right. And then step two is the imaginary woman. And so you have these specific tantras that cite preference for young girls, ideally between 12 and 16. So that's why you have Jeffrey Epstein interested in this age group. Tantric stuff and tantric stuff. So for them, the youth represents this pure, untapped energy. And older women are often described as demons, as Jackal faced as seen as having bad energy or just basically being drained of all of their vitality already. Right.

[Guest/Co-host]

But there's a reason that's 12 to 16. Right. Not even younger. You would think the younger you are, the more energy you have. But there's a fertility aspect to it as well, isn't it?

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

Yeah, it's the endocrine, when the hormones are firing. Right?

[Guest/Co-host]

Yep.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

Little past puberty.

[Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

So once the yogi has become proficient in manipulating real women, like I said, he creates this imaginary woman, this goddess that he visualizes. Visualizes and engages with her in his mind. So that's his dream girl.

[Guest/Co-host]

Okay.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

And this is something that you see a lot of people just engaging in, not knowing that this is like demonic, but just pornography or dream girls or, you know, digital fantasy stuff.

[Guest/Co-host]

Right.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

Okay.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

This is step two of the demonic manifestation of this movie. Dream Girls, the Beyonce movie.

[Guest/Co-host]

Beyonce. Yeah.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

We're your dream Girl.

[Guest/Co-host]

No, I knew there's something demonic about

[Jay Dyer]

Dream Girl actually apply to this.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

Well, I mean, I have a whole thing about how she is the archetype of a scarlet woman.

[Guest/Co-host]

Interesting.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

Not that she exactly knows what's going on, but the people use these girls in rituals, right?

[Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

So the final stage, the yogi has internalized this feminine principle and absorbed all the women's essence and he has become the autocratic ruler of his own universe. Right. So relations with women are like this booster rocket that you use and then you discard it when you're out of the Astro.

[Jay Dyer]

I'm imagining the Ghostbusters containment unit that like saps in all the sucking all the women's energy like your ex girlfriend's or little machine that you tap into.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

Is that the idea?

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

It's like the thing in Ghostbusters.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

So these llamas, these teachers, these gurus, they actually think of themselves as grand sorcerers who can become higher than the Buddha with these practices. And for them the source of reality comes with cities or magic powers.

[Guest/Co-host]

Okay, well we're going to pick it up right there because we're going to continue this discussion on the other side because I think this gives a lot of insight into maybe what Jeffrey Epstein was doing with all the young women actually fits perfectly. He thought he was some sort of yogi. Jay's new books called Esoteric Hollywood 3, sex cults and Apocalypse in Films, the follow up to his much acclaimed series of books esoteric Hollywood 1 and 2. This is the latest just published. Right. Where can people find it?

[Jay Dyer]

A couple months ago you can get [e-mail] in the shop. And don't get it from Jeff Bezos. You get it from me and you get signed copies. It might be a little while before it ships out because we're on the road, but we do all of our own orders.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

So.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. Jasonalysis.com in the shop and also Jamie's books are there. She's got Hollywood mind control and a book on culture creation.

[Guest/Co-host]

Awesome. And it's funny how much of this overlaps. Like, you know, whether you're talking about the war in Iran or like Jeffrey Epstein looking up tantra books or. And obviously now Hollywood is just sort of openly demonic. I mean we talk about this every time we talk. It used to be that you had to investigate and know symbolism and go, ah, see how they're in a circle? That's a magic circle. Now it's just, they're just worshiping Satan on stage. It's just like not even subtle anymore, but it's like, how, how seriously do we need to take this and how like hardcore? Because I always think back to being in like high school and hearing sort of the old, the, the old boomers going yoga. That's from the devil. You know, that Satan, right, that Satan worship. And I'm like, it's stretching, dude. I'm stretching my muscles. Like, good, calm down. But now I see the background, I see the history, I see where it came from. And I'm like, maybe the boomers were right. Maybe they had something there. I mean, is, is yoga as people know it now still this exercise in, in Satanism or, or, you know, spirituality or has it been stripped of that?

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[Jay Dyer]

Awaken your Kundalini.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

Okay, yes. So Kundalini is the center of all of this. Right. And we were talking about statecraft. And so they view these powers, these magic powers that the Dalai Lama has or the guru or the yogi as legitimate tools of ritual warfare. And we have a couple examples of that. Like men who stare at goats. The first earth battalion using new age principles to fight. And even Hitler had some Tibetan. He had like a tiny little private army from Tibet.

[Guest/Co-host]

Really.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

And so they think to gain the vitality, you have to absorb it from someone else. The male eats the feminine energy and consumes it. Yeah.

[Guest/Co-host]

So takes it into themselves.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

It's transmuted to people. For the masculine is sent to apotheosis. And then I'm gonna be doing this really soon. Alistair Crowley's eight lectures on yoga, speaking of ritual, magic and Satanism. Yes. He was a master yogi, and he had a whole book on yoga. And yoga means union. So you can't just do the stretches and the poses for stretching. You can do calisthenics or Pilates or whatever, but when you're going to yoga, they're gonna tell you do these breathing exercises, chant these mantras, have these mudras. You are channeling some type of energy. Right.

[Jay Dyer]

So the union with, like, a deity.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

Yeah. Okay.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

So he says, like, 10 times in the first chapter. Yoga means union. Yoga means union with extraterrestrial beings. So this is kind of the invasion that we're gonna see. Not like little green men and flying saucers, but energies or demonic manifestations.

[Jay Dyer]

You're saying you wouldn't touch butts with

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

ET ET Phone Om.

[Jay Dyer]

There you go.

[Guest/Co-host]

Oh, that's good.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

The name of the show about yoga.

[Guest/Co-host]

Interesting.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

But, yeah. So he created the oto, which is the order of the Eastern Templars, to specifically channel energies from outer space and from Sirius. Right. So the ultimate object of the OTO is to, they say, prepare humanity for the next step towards the awakening of cosmic consciousness by producing initiates who work with the Kundalini. So the Kundalini, if you've never heard of that, it's this energy that lies at the base of your spine, and when you have an orgasm, it travels upward and, like, sprouts out. Now you're enlightened. Okay. That's not really the Christian ontology of our bodies. We don't really believe in chakras and stuff like that, but they do equate this with Prometheus and with the serpent in the garden, because the Kundalini is the serpent energy that they would say Eve was enlightened by.

[Guest/Co-host]

Right. That makes sense that this was a symbolic interpretation.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

Yes. And the second goal of the OTO was to, they say, establish on Earth the law of Thelema and the kingdom of Rahur Kwit. That's just a way of saying Horus.

[Guest/Co-host]

Okay. The Egyptian God Horus.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

And so they want to use this energy of the Kundalini to establish a gate in space, they say, through which the extraterrestrial terrestrial energies may enter and manifest on Earth.

[Jay Dyer]

And keep in mind, Crowley was also an asset of British intelligence. MI5 too.

[Guest/Co-host]

Right, right. It's so fascinating how this ties in together. And, of course, Father Seraphim Rose calls out the New Age stuff early on, and I think he also connected to UFOs, right. And then Father Spirit on has a whole book about, yeah, UFOs and Satan

[Jay Dyer]

and the kingdom, or the kingdom of Satan.

[Guest/Co-host]

Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yeah. And so, yeah, there's sort of a long history in orthodox thought of connecting UFOs to sort of New Age Eastern spirituality. And it's all really from the same source or working towards the same ends.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

And this is theosophy too. So where we get the UN comes from the Lucifer Trust, which became the Lucius Trust, and then the un, they are all big on meditating, they're big on ecumenism, they're big on one world religion. But Madame Levatsky was also in contact with these secret chiefs. They call them the hidden masters of Tibet. Yeah. And Hitler was one of these devotees of these secret chiefs and hidden masters. And they say when they would come in contact with them, they would bleed from the nose and the ears and they were terrified and sweaty and they were like.

[Guest/Co-host]

Had real power.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

Yeah.

[Guest/Co-host]

Wow. So. And the connection to Horus in Egypt is really interesting. Obviously, Freemasonry takes it way back to Egypt. And historically, Egypt is a fascinating sort of. I think ancient Egypt was like the example of what they're trying to create on Earth, where you just have. Because they had a culture that lasted basically unchanged for 4,000 years. Right. If you want to talk about temporal permanence, the Egyptian culture is absolutely unmatched by thousands of years. And it seems to me like if you're trying to live forever and want to create a persistent culture that can last for thousands of years, Egypt is where you're going to model it after.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. And those ancient civilizations also, if you believe Genesis, are really just the pattern of Babel. Right. So the Tower of Babel is. You know, you get into biblical studies and whatnot. A lot of times, scholars think that was a ziggurat or some form of a pyramid that was being built. You have the resurgence and the maintenance of that tradition with the Egyptian pyramid. And then all cultures across the world have these pyramids where sacrifice people at the cap of it, like Apocalypto with, you know, Mel Gibson movie. But, yeah, that is. That is a repeating spirit of Babel, I think, coming back.

[Guest/Co-host]

Yeah. And. And when you describe the Tibetan inner chamber, you know, full of skulls, it just. It sounds verbatim like, you know, the Spanish talking about exploring, however you pronounce it. But the Aztec city and it's. It was flowers and beautiful and kids running around and then they're like, let's show you our church. And it's just gore hanging from the ceilings and like, you know, some priest, like, sawing a guy in half, like, hey, how you doing? And the, you know, the Spanish were just like, oh, my God. But, yeah, that's what it was, this inner sanctum where they. It was just horror and gore and skulls and brutality.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

The conquistadors talk about how they would lead them to a giant banquet and the Spanish would be like, oh, this is neat. And then they would bring out a guy and slit his throat at the

[Jay Dyer]

table, and out comes Mads Mikkelsen as Hannibal. And it's like serving you the meal.

[Guest/Co-host]

And they're all just like, it's going to be delicious. Aren't you happy? And it's like, oh, my God. So, yeah, there's something sort of intrinsic in humanity, in our spirituality that, like, we're drawn to this across cultures, across, you know, millennia. This is a persistent thing, human sacrifice, the stealing of life force energy. And it seems like it has to do a lot with, again, sort of relating back to the Masons. I don't know if I've never had this confirmed, but I heard one time and it stuck with me, is that the G, they say it stands for God and other stuff, but that stands for generative force and that. Right. So, you know, when it comes to fertility, stealing, life force, you're talking about usury and sodomy. It's like there's this combat, I guess, between, like the generative force and the draining, the vampiric force.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

Well, in magic, too. So like in Thelema, in Oto, in golden dawn, this is also using women to suck out their life force because you can't attain the godhood in these workings as a woman either. Crowley had his scarlet women who he would brand on the chest, like with a hot iron.

[Guest/Co-host]

Right.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

And he would use these girls, too, in his ritual working, because they know that they can't do anything without a woman, but they don't want women involved.

[Guest/Co-host]

Right, right. So that'd be. There is props.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

Yeah.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

And what another show that I have in my member section because it's kind of gross. It's called Cults of the Shadow. So Kenneth Grant wrot after Al Shukroli, and he was detailing what he calls the Ophidian current, which is the Kundalini, the Greek word for serpent.

[Guest/Co-host]

Right.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

So it's serpent energy. Remember, the Delphi priestess would sit on the fissure and breathe in the smoke and she would give prophecies. So this was supposed to be the dead serpent that Apollo slayed. And it would give them psychic powers. Right.

[Guest/Co-host]

And that's the image that you see on hospitals.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

Yeah. And so the high priestess is the human embodiment of this Kundalini for the men. And they talk about the Kliphoth, which is the dark side of the Tree of life. So Epstein was working with Kabbalah and stuff like that. And so there's a good, like, good Tree of life and then there's a dark side, which is where the demons are. And this is where they're specifically working from in the certain left hand path. They call it the Varma Marg, which means actually the use of women or black magic.

[Guest/Co-host]

Okay.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

And they work in these zones. It's called the Koph Zone. And it's a primitive brain region at the back of the head where they say the regions of the giants or the Nephilim. Now, that is a weird thing to bring out, but they're actually saying in their text that they work with the ancient gods of Sumer, of Mesopotamia, of Atlantis, of the Book of Enoch. Right. The Watchers and the Nephilim. So this is the same pantheon that they are working with.

[Guest/Co-host]

Wow. Yeah. And I always think about the Father Seraphim quote where he says all of the old gods were demons. He says it outright. All of them. All of them were all demons.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

Oh, we're doing all orthodoxy and the religion of the future very soon. I'm halfway done with that.

[Guest/Co-host]

Yeah. And that is an all time classic that everybody in our audience should read. So do you think Jeffrey Epstein was believable? How do you think this is interpreted by the people practicing it? Because it seems to me like, I don't know, I didn't see much spirituality in Epstein's information.

[Jay Dyer]

It seemed like the closest was. I did a whole livestream on my YouTube channel of the Bannon interview. There were significant sections towards the end of the interview where Epstein got into his sort of mystical views. And he was arguing with Bannon, saying, well, we can't define the soul in terms of matter or quantity, but we know that there's some kind of soul that's there. And he says, I believe that reality is a projection of our consciousness, which is a very kind of gnostic, Kabbalistic type of view. And he says that reality is just math. So he has this Pythagorean mysticism, which to me suggest that he did have some degree of Kabbalistic influence or interest, because that's also in the Kabbalah. He does tout his Judaic supremacy in many of the emails. So that would be, I think, reasonable to assume that that's what he means. He doesn't explicitly say, I'm into Kabbalah. He does, however, say, I really do find Newton's alchemy fascinating. So there is explicit reference to Pythagoreanism and sort of a. He says that reality is like a matrix and it's. It's all math code. And now, which is.

[Guest/Co-host]

Which is convenient when you're, like, you know, abusing people.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, like she's saying about the women, right? Like, if reality is not real, then it's. Well, I'm not hurting anybody because it's not real.

[Guest/Co-host]

Yeah, yeah, that's very convenient.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

Just be born again in another body later on.

[Jay Dyer]

I'm just helping you get reborn to a male to be a man. And so it's better for me.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

Right.

[Guest/Co-host]

I'm helping you on that. The first step to resurrection. Right, by doing the dirty work.

[Jamie Hanshaw Dyer]

Wow.

[Guest/Co-host]

Yeah, that. So you mentioned Beyonce being a Scarlet Women. I gotta follow up with that. What does that mean?

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

So what we've been seeing for the past 20 or so years is studying this and then the use of women as icons of this Scarlet woman. So Crowley would say this is part Kali, which is an Indian goddess, right?

[Guest/Co-host]

Yep.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

Part Ishtar from Babylon, which is the goddess of love and war. And she was worshiped by temple prostitution. They thought that this was a sacred act, but it wasn't voluntary. And it wasn't after 18 years old. This is like taking children, like Epstein would to his temple on the island and raising some of them to be, like goddesses on earth. Like, not exactly a vestal virgin, but a temple priest.

[Guest/Co-host]

Right, right, right.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

And boys, too. Okay? So if you look at goddess worship, and this is where a lot of women get this wrong. Like, they think that a matriarchy would be more kinder to women. Worshiping pregnant ladies on couches, fanning them and eating gr. It's not like that. It's kidnapping young girls, taking them to the temple, raising them to be this avatar of a goddess, and where men would come and pay. And that's how they worship.

[Guest/Co-host]

Right, right.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

And there's even some. We talked about that on the fourth hour where the historians were, like, every little girl in Babylon had to do this at least one time, right? And so you see, the mother Goddess is worshiped with self harm, okay? For men. So they would do cross dressing. They would try and be androgynous, like these yogis, right? And they would go out and beg for money. They would do plays they would cut themselves. You've seen like National Geographic where the wild people are like stabbing and the blood's not coming out. Yeah, so this is the type of stuff that goddess worship is involved with and oh, you're talking about Beyonce. Okay, so now you have these giant celebrities. You have like Britney Spears, you have larger than life women who are in the place of this worship. Instead of Inanna Ishtar Sibily, it's going to be Beyonce.

[Guest/Co-host]

Right?

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

Katy Perry. These because they have such a wide.

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[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

Influence, Right, right.

[Guest/Co-host]

Icons and more icons.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

And so you use. You follow the symbolism that they put on. Like we've done many shows about Katy Perry sister. I have a whole thing on Beyonce and all of her history.

[Guest/Co-host]

Right. And of course Jay Z. I mean they were like really into the whole like we're the Illuminati. They do the sign of the pyramid. I mean they thought it was cool to dress up in that type of thing.

[Jay Dyer]

I think JC's serious about cruelism. He's been a devotee openly for many, many years. So he's pretty serious about it.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

I also think they use this in conjunction with the MK Ultra Monarch program to give them multiple personalities, split their psyche, make them more susceptible to possession, things like that.

[Guest/Co-host]

And obviously, I mean it's just such a well known thing. You just think of the south park episode where they're sacrificing Britney for the corn and it's like, yeah, she just got arrested for dui, Right. She's just a complete wreck after how they treated her. And you can see the way it's sort of industrialized almost where I can never remember the woman's name, but I guess she was a. It's a Miley Cyrus path, as you say. But there's a new one.

[Jay Dyer]

Amanda Bynes.

[Guest/Co-host]

Amanda Bynes. Okay. There's like a lot. Right. That wasn't even the one I was thinking. No, there's one. She hasn't been destroyed yet. But, you know, she started off as Jojo Siwa. She's another one. Right. So they start off as like these very sort of wholesome, you know, people that, you know, little girls can see themselves in. And then the moment they're 18, they're out twerking on stage and just being complete degenerates. And it's like obviously a designed path that they're following. Yeah.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

Who was in the files? Jay Z.

[Guest/Co-host]

Right. Well, exactly. And of course, ties into the Puff Daddy abuse rings.

[Jay Dyer]

And yeah, one of the Epstein emails was him saying, by the way, if you need me to, I can send Britney Spears to one of these facilities. That was crazy. I didn't even expect. That was crazy for me. I was like, that's too conspiratorial for me.

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[Jay Dyer]

I'm like, come on, Jeffrey, you're more of a conspiracy theorist than I am. But seriously, everybody forgets, too. That clip, I think it's Barbara Walters, but it's been around for forever.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

It's a classic conspiracy clip where I

[Jay Dyer]

think it's Barbara Walters is interviewing Britney Spears in the mid, early 2000s, and she starts.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

She's dissociates. Do you know. Have you seen.

[Guest/Co-host]

I don't know.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, it's a classic clip you can probably find on YouTube or somewhere. But she's like. She says something and it maybe triggers her and it's normal Britney, and then she turns into a child.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

Whoa.

[Jay Dyer]

Now, she could have been stoned or.

[Guest/Co-host]

Yeah, yeah, but it's. But that's also going to happen if

[Jay Dyer]

you're being said no. Disturb a different personality.

[Guest/Co-host]

Yeah. And again, people, you know, this isn't something like vague that we're talking about. Like, these are scientific, you know, phenomenon where you can create personalities. You can split people's personalities through trauma. Like, you know, this isn't just speculation. It's like. No, they have. They have this down to a science. To a certain degree. You can actually create, you know, split personalities in people. You can hypnotize. I mean, hypnotism is Real. Like these things are very tangible and real. And people don't, I don't think, respect them enough.

[Jay Dyer]

John C. Lilly's book, Programming and Metaprogramming in the Human Biocomputer. The very last chapter has a section on dosing children with LSD to create different personalities.

[Guest/Co-host]

Right.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

Explicitly.

[Jay Dyer]

I'm sure I bought that book because I didn't think I was like, there's no way he really says that.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

He actually does.

[Guest/Co-host]

I mean, they get away with it.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

Well, in the Epstein files too, they talk about, you know, the goy and the other. Right. Like, so they set themselves over and against the rest of humanity. And this is also, you can find it in Thelema in what's called Liber Oz. And one of the passages is the slaves shall serve. So he's saying it's kind of the antithesis of antithesis, you know, in the Bible where it says the first shall be last. You know, be humble and you'll be exalted in heaven.

[Guest/Co-host]

Right.

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

So Liber Oz is the opposite of that. The kings are going to rule in tyranny and the slaves are always going to be as they always were.

[Guest/Co-host]

Right. That's fascinating. So how does this tie into, like. Cause I'm just thinking. Excuse me. You know, I see we brought up, like, the Sabbatian Francis. I see a lot of conversations about, like, obviously what's going on right now with Jeffrey Epstein in Iran. It's all about these Abrahamic faiths, about Islam, Judaism and Christianity. How important is the Eastern stuff in what's going on today? Is it involved in the spiritual makeup of the world right now? Or is this a side issue when we should be focusing on the big three?

[Jay Dyer]

I would actually argue that there are not three Abrahamic faiths. Because if you believe Christianity, if you believe the Bible, Paul's very clear in Galatians 3 and 4 that Christianity is

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

the only Abrahamic faith.

[Jay Dyer]

For example, the Old Testament, a lot

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

of people assume that it teaches a

[Jay Dyer]

generic monotheism or Unitarianism. The Old Testament teaches the Trinity. Even the Jewish Kabbalists admit that there's multiplicity in God in the Old Testament. So the Old Testament deity that appears is Jesus. Jesus makes this very clear in John 5. 9 that he's the one that appeared to Abraham and no one sees the Father at any time. So that means.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

Means that in the Old Testament, you

[Jay Dyer]

have multiple persons in God. That would be the Trinity in the

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

Old Testament, therefore, there is no such

[Jay Dyer]

thing as a Unitarian Old Testament faith. That's Abraham worshiping Allah or something like that. And then when you get into scholarship that's recent today about Islam, it's pretty well known and pretty consistently admitted that Islam is based on a lot of Talmudic legends. It's based on Gnostic legends and stories that were not canonical scripture. And that's because Muhammad was illiterate and he was hearing these stories being taught and he kind of crafted his religion, which he said was originally the revelation of God to the Arabs. So the Jews had the Torah, Christians had their Jesus in Jewel Gospel. He's going to create the religion for the Arab peoples. And then it morphed later on into no, actually, I need to conquer for everybody to accept this. So I would argue there's not three Abrahamic faiths. But to your point about Eastern mysticism, the same ideas that she's talking about with Eastern esoteric stuff is the same Gnostic philosophy that influenced the Talmud and Neoplatonism. I know there's a little bit of difference.

[Jay Dyer (continued or secondary speaker)]

Exactly. So Eastern mysticism is very compatible with

[Jay Dyer]

the sorts of mystic ideas that Epstein seemed to be involved with. Shia Islam is also straight up Neoplatonism. They even say, no, the Quran is actually a mystical Neoplatonic text.

[Guest/Co-host]

Interesting.

[Jay Dyer]

Which is the earliest antithesis of Christianity. The earliest church fathers that were defending the Trinity were fighting Neoplatonic doctrine. So Christianity is not Neoplatonism. It is Trinitarian, which is not Neoplatonic. They had to fight the Platonic Academy. That's why St. Justinian and Byzanthme outlawed the Platonic Academy, because there was so much confusion and chaos that Origenism and the Neoplatonists were causing. So that's what I would say is the real Abrahamic faith. And these that she's talking about are much more amenable to the sorts of mystical versions of Islam or Judaism.

[Guest/Co-host]

Right. Which goes pretty far, especially when you get into the cabal stuff, man. Absolutely fascinating. Again, the book is esoteric Hollywood 3 sex cults and Apocalypse in Films. You can get it at jsanalysis.com, jay Dyer on YouTube and AJ Dyer on X. What's and how do we find your stuff, Jamie?

[Interviewee or Expert on Eastern Mysticism]

On YouTube it's just Jamie Hanshaw. And then on X is Jamie Hanshaw Dyer.

[Guest/Co-host]

Jamie Hanshaw Dyer. And your books available at Jay's Analysis as well. They are awesome. Foreign.

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