Pt 1- Iran & Trump's War, Candace Owens Nonsense & Conspiracy Candy & OPEN CALLS!

Summary

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Jay'sAnalysis – Episode Summary

Podcast: Jay'sAnalysis
Host: Jay Dyer
Episode: Pt 1 – Iran & Trump's War, Candace Owens Nonsense & Conspiracy Candy & OPEN CALLS!
Date: March 2, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into recent controversies in the American alternative/conspiracy media space, with a strong focus on Candace Owens and the spiral of online drama and grifting. Jay Dyer and his co-host (referred to as Tristan/Tristana) critically dissect the latest Candace Owens docuseries, its claims, and the broader phenomena of conspiracy grifting. They simultaneously weave in commentary on the Iran situation, Trump's war posturing, open calls from listeners, and frequent jabs at the sensationalism plaguing new media. The mood is a mix of skeptical, irreverent, and combative, characteristic of Jay’sAnalaysis.

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Table of Contents

1. Timcast Debate Aftermath & Media Tactics
2. Candace Owens Docuseries Breakdown
   • A. Key Claims & Critique
   • B. Audience Manipulation & Botting Accusations
   • C. Analyzing Conspiracy Candy and Grifting
   • D. The Problem of Credibility and Evidence
   • E. Gender, Beauty, & the Media Right
3. Conspiracy Media, Project Camelot, & Old Tropes
4. Iran, Color Revolutions & Call-Ins
5. Freemasonry, Christianity, & Riffing on Esoterica
6. Listener Calls & Final Thoughts

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1. Timcast Debate Aftermath & Media Tactics

Timestamp: [05:41] – [09:44]

• Jay shares his experience on the Timcast debate:
  • Expected to debate Timcast team members, but Tim Pool focused on concepts like company towns vs. state-run systems.
  • Jay’s main point: “There’s really no difference between a company town and a state economy if both are anti-competitive monopolies.” ([06:45])
• The debate segued to the philosophical grounding for rights, but Jay claims he was constantly interrupted and unable to flesh out the Christian paradigm succinctly.
• “Most people, like, 92%, thought it didn’t go well for Tim. But Tim was a good dude about it after.” ([08:04])
• Jay turns to a lighter tone, mentioning “getting Mog Max by Trump… and by war,” and introduces Tristan for discussion.

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2. Candace Owens Docuseries Breakdown

A. Key Claims & Critique

Timestamp: [13:58] – [20:34]

• Jay and Tristan analyze Candace Owens’ new docuseries, focused on allegations against Erica Kirk and Turning Point USA (TPUSA):
  • Candace alleges convoluted family ties, questions Erica Kirk’s gender, and paints an elaborate conspiracy—dubbed “Bonkerstown.”
  • Jay points out the hyperbolic connections and lack of substantive evidence:
    • “Apparently, that means perhaps she’s a man. This is just getting so preposterous.” ([16:33])
  • Tristan identifies a pattern: Candace “makes accusations without actually accusing anybody… she accuses people and walks it back when pressed.” ([22:28])
  • Frequent ridicule of Candace’s reasoning and tactics, comparing her show to pulp detective fiction and soap opera melodrama.

B. Audience Manipulation & Botting Accusations

Timestamp: [24:28] – [28:02]

• Jay references leftist streamer Hasan Piker’s raid of Candace’s channel, suggesting that her supposed large audience is artificially inflated:
  • “If the audience of 200,000 live is legitimate, why would Hasan be able to dominate the chat like that?” ([25:18])
• Tristan notes Milo Yiannopoulos’ involvement in Candace’s PR defense—as possible blackmail or paid consultancy.
• Major theme: Online “bot armies” are active on both sides—against and defending Candace.

C. Analyzing Conspiracy Candy and Grifting

Timestamp: [30:36] – [33:05]

• “Conspiracy candy” defined as easily digestible, low-nutrition, low-depth content that gives quick dopamine hits, like junk food.
  • “It’s low nutrition, easily digestible fluff—cotton candy. Airy, it tastes real good. But there’s no delivery.” ([30:49], Tristan)
• They point out that obsession with these unsourced, soap-operatic narratives leads nowhere, and question what the logical end would be even if Candace’s claims were proven.

D. The Problem of Credibility and Evidence

Timestamp: [43:25] – [52:50]

• Lack of credible sourcing: Candace often relies on anonymous emails, recycled and debunked conspiracy tropes, and sensationalism.
• They detail her enabling of known “grifters” and failed fact-checking, e.g., the Egyptian planes debacle, association with Project Camelot-style narratives, and “monster of the week” X-Files approach.
• Discussion about the deeper harm: “If you’ve been in the conspiracy sphere since 2000, then this makes you look retarded… This is a funnel to funnel you into being [a fool].” ([45:43], Jay)
• Tristan summarizes classic red flags: “Presenting suspicion as evidence. Small anecdotes made into big drama. Serial cliffhangers… a woman prattle, petty drama.” ([52:21])

E. Gender, Beauty, & the Media Right

Timestamp: [52:59] – [56:48]

• Skepticism toward sudden right-turns by leftist voices (e.g., Anna Kasparian) and the move to platform attractive women on complex geopolitical issues.
• “Why are we all suddenly just deferring to all of these women voices…? Women are not typically made for this… There may be some exceptions. But why am I—And all the trad cats are like 'Oh, she’s a babe and she’s calling out Zionism.'” ([54:21], Jay)
• They push against shallow standards (looks, catchy rhetoric) as indicators of sincerity or wisdom.

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3. Conspiracy Media, Project Camelot, & Old Tropes

Timestamp: [66:19] – [70:32]

• Jay exposes the recycling of ancient conspiracy theories, especially those popularized by Project Camelot, as now being mainstreamed by Candace.
  • “Project Camelot is the most ridiculous Boomer conspiracy candy nonsense… It’s just resurrecting these old cast Sunstein’s cognitive infiltration [ideas] to make everyone look stupid.” ([45:43])
• They outline the absurd breadth of such content: UFOs, fake time travel tech, new age mysticism, “Charlie Kirk as time traveler.”
• They riff heavily on the empty calories of this content: “It’s basically UFO Kabbalah...Scientology space alien sex cult.” ([67:39], Jay)

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4. Iran, Color Revolutions & Call-Ins

Timestamp: [84:59] – [93:52]

• The discussion finally shifts to Iran after an open caller asks Jay’s opinion about recent shifts there.
• Jay is sharply skeptical of mainstream “freedom” narratives, explaining how color revolutions and CIA-backed regime change models (a la Gene Sharp, Operation Ajax) play out.
  • “The idea that the CIA is not helping to fund this is preposterous. This is the same model as Operation Ajax.” ([90:20], Jay)
• Calls highlight complexity: dissatisfaction with current regime doesn’t guarantee a better future or legitimate uprising.

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5. Freemasonry, Christianity, & Riffing on Esoterica

Timestamp: [95:39] – [113:17]

• A caller triggers a segment where Jay lays out, in detail, why Christianity and Freemasonry are fundamentally incompatible, drawing from first-hand interviews with Masons, documentaries, and classic texts like Albert Pike’s Morals and Dogma.
• “Masonry creates unity and tolerance for all religions and all people and all faiths. But you have to believe in a supreme deity. Yes, just any deity.” ([105:25], Jay)
• Tristan and Jay lampoon the “secret lore” attitude of Masons, the decline of its popularity, and the general unseriousness with which conspiracies and accolades are used in modern Internet debate.

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6. Listener Calls & Final Thoughts

Timestamp: [116:28] – [131:39]

• Diverse call-in topics: from dubbing the podcast in French, to dispensationalist theology, to meta-commentary on Internet arguments.
• The repeated theme: the current media and conspiracy ecosystem is rife with shallow, unverified, and self-serving drama rather than well-sourced, logical analysis.
• “If Candace is a broken clock right twice a day, that’s not good enough to be a source for this type of information.” ([130:01], Jay)
• Sarcastic banter and open invitations to debate critics, emphasizing a preference for logic over “spamming nonsense” or emotional loyalty to personalities.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On the Timcast debate and company towns:

• “You want to live under Lord Rothschild’s government where he owns everything, or do you want to live under Stalin’s government, where the state runs everything? It’s really no different. But that point was all missed.” ([07:17], Jay)

Defining “conspiracy candy”:

• “It’s low nutrition, easily digestible fluff—cotton candy. It makes you… gives people a little bit of that addictive suspicious feeling. But there’s no delivery.” ([30:49], Tristan)

Taking down Candace’s accusations:

• “She’ll make accusations without actually accusing anybody… When she’s pressed, someone will say, ‘What evidence do you have that Erica Kirk is complicit?’ She’ll say, ‘I never said that! What are you talking about?!’ Which is a lie. She’s lying.” ([23:37], Jay & Tristan)

On new age conspiracies supplanting reason:

• “This is a funnel to funnel you into being [a fool]. Because I’ve been in this sphere since 2000 and I believed retarded things. I’ve been through this roller coaster disinformation thing…” ([45:43], Jay)

Media criticism:

• “People should look out for… a high level of pathos behind it and emotion… She’s presenting herself as a journalist. But notice she doesn’t do any actual journalism.” ([48:05], Jay)

On feminine voices dominating right media:

• “Why are we all suddenly just deferring to all of these women voices…? For example, Anna Kasparian has been a rabid, wicked leftist forever. And suddenly the right turn...Are you—do you have no discernment…?” ([54:21], Jay)

Caller debate on Candace’s credibility:

• “If her value is a broken clock can be right twice a day, then literally everybody has value as an analyst.” ([77:24], Jay)

On Alex Jones vs. Candace analogy:

• “Alex has a long track record of being absolutely accurate and has pointed me to tons of real geopolitical texts years and years ago that I actually went and read. Candace doesn’t read and can’t read. So I think that’s a false equivalence.” ([72:01], Jay)

Philosophical depth:

• “The Orthodox view of hell is not that God is satisfying his vindictiveness with torturing people… God just gives everyone what they want.” ([82:10], Jay, responding to a theology call-in)

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Key Timestamps for Reference

• [05:41] – Timcast debate debrief
• [13:58] – Candace Owens docuseries intro
• [16:33] – Candace’s “Erica is a man” theory ridiculed
• [25:18] – Has Candace’s audience been botted?
• [30:49] – “Conspiracy candy brand” defined
• [43:25] – Candace’s anonymous sources and grifters
• [52:59] – On female pundit grifting and intellectual standards
• [66:19] – Project Camelot, quantum dimension conspiracies
• [84:59] – Transition to Iran, CIA, and color revolutions
• [95:39] – Freemasonry and incompatibility with Christianity
• [116:28] – Calls, multilingual content request, open forum

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Episode Tone & Language

• Language/Tone: Irreverent, sarcastic, skeptical, jargon-heavy, inside jokes (“wigger nazis,” “bipoc queens”), frequent references to conspiracy subculture.
• Approach: Disassembly of grifting, “conspiracy candy” culture, and shallow punditry; open skepticism toward the aesthetic- and personality-driven right-wing media. Heavy satire but underpinned with deep reading and experience in geopolitical theory.

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For New Listeners

This episode is an incisive, often comical journey through the world of alternative media’s excesses, frameworks of grifting and drama, and the importance of discernment and credible sourcing. Jay and Tristan’s irreverence is matched only by their disdain for empty, unsourced spectacle and their insistence on logic and evidence over cultish followership.

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End of Summary

Transcript

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[Thoughtful]

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[Jay]

You hear me?

[Thoughtful]

Yeah, man. How you doing?

[Jay]

Yeah. Can you go ahead and unmute? You have to unmute?

[Thoughtful]

Oh, here we go. Here we go. Off to a bad start already, Jay.

[Jay]

Dire looks.

[Thoughtful]

Just say my name. Say my name. Say my name. Just repeat my name over. It's a good strategy for debates, apparently.

[Jay]

I mean, that's. It's my favorite one when they start doing that. Actually what I like most about it is when you get kind of annoyed at it and you're always like, stop saying my name, dude, how many times I've heard you say, why do you keep saying my name?

[Thoughtful]

It's just a weird thing to me. I don't understand what people get out of that.

[Jay]

What, the stalling tactic? Yeah, it's a stall tactic.

[Thoughtful]

Probably some time.

[Jay]

It's like saying they don't really have anything to say. Jay. Jay. Yeah, Jay. They're trying to recoup and like, you know, get some build up some HP so that they can hit you with something better. I think that's part of it.

[Thoughtful]

Rebuild their hit points. I like that. Okay, now I think also some of

[Jay]

these people have also listened to you so much that they're like almost self talking like I'm talking to Jay now. So they're almost, they're kind of letting out their internal dial. It's a gay dire

[Thoughtful]

now. Guys, I've got Tristan's channel linked. You can follow him. He does, I think plan to be doing some more content in the near future. So there's Tristan's channel right there. Beautiful Tristana. He has d transitioned and we're glad to have him back with us. He was transitioning as you guys know and he's chosen not to go that path and to become once again normal Tristan. So, so we're glad. Tristan, you ready to get into a little bit of Candace, what we're going to cover today before we get into war and Middle east type stuff? And we will have open forum. You guys can call in on any topic that you want, preferably topics related to the the subject matter at hand. Candace, the war, Trump Epstein files, all the news of late. But if you do have theology questions, those are welcomed. I'm pretty open to whatever you guys want to talk about today. Atheists who want to talk about tag, that's fine. We're gonna start with a little bit of sweet candy over here because before war are you a fraud paying American?

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[Host/Interviewer]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Host/Interviewer]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Host/Interviewer]

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[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Thoughtful]

Awesome.

[Host/Interviewer]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 24 7, 365.

[Jay]

Wow.

[Host/Interviewer]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

[Thoughtful]

The war Candace got warm and so war took over Candace's takeover of Twitter. She was everywhere the other day when I was on Tim Cast. Tim was venting that all of Twitter was nothing but Candace. And so we're gonna play a little bit of this clip here. And this is her new Erica Kirk series, which, as we all are told, they had these meetings, these brunch meetings of two, you know, narcissistic ladies about media and what to not do. And supposedly there was going to be some ceasefire. And of course, Candace has gone absolutely to Bonkerstown with a docu series about Bride of Frankenstein. So let's play this little clip here. And Tristan and I are gonna give you guys hopefully a little bit of wisdom, if we have garnered any wisdom, being in the sphere of looking at alternative media and conspiracy stuff for 20, 25 years. Ish. Between us, I mean, both of us being that long, not 10 and 10, but both of us, you know, back to the early 2000s of alternative media.

[Jay]

Actually, like, we calculate the hours that we've lived since we started getting into this type of stuff to kind of inflate it a little bit in the audience's mind, because that'll give us more credibility.

[Thoughtful]

Okay?

[Jay]

So I think it's going to be in the. Probably in the hundreds of thousands of hours, okay?

[Thoughtful]

1 billion hours combined study and research of alternative media over the last 100 years between Tristan and myself. And we think we have some wisdom and insight into the grifting. We don't talk a lot about grifting over here. That is an overused Term. However, there are spooks, kooks and crooks. That is the domain, unfortunately, of alternative media and the. The domain of mainstream media. It is full of spooks, kooks and crooks. Crooks, crooks. Making it rhyme. So let's hear this first Candace clip. And then Tristan and I are going to deconstruct some. Some. Some Queen Candace's qanons.

[Guest/Caller]

Then Nicole Rothstein. I want you to understand who this would be to her. Nicole Rothstein. It's gonna sound ridiculous, but this is the reality. If Erica telling the truth, Nicole Rothstein would be Erica's father's sister's husband's previous wife's daughter's daughter. In other words, zero blood relation, not even kind of related, kind of crazy would even call each other cousins. People do that. It's cool with my cousins, my cousin. Okay, cool. If Erica is telling the truth about her paternity, then Nicole Roth, you know why? You understand who this.

[Thoughtful]

So now these are the bomb cells that are going to change everything. Some girl who Erica calls a cousin is actually Erica's father's sister. No, I am not joking. So apparently there are lies about Erica's background, according to Candace. And then what popped up was even wilder. Erica did not move to Arizona after divorce. She attended some elite schools called Tesseract. Of course, that's from. I mean, it's a mathematical, you know, five dimensional object, but it's also an object that. Or excuse me, it's a. It's from the Wrinkle in Time, as this notes. And of course, Candace makes a big deal out of things like the GATE program and the Wrinkle in Time and all this nonsense. I was in the GATE program, so I can speak to it. It was not X Men children. It wasn't anything like that. It was just gifted kids. And yeah, we actually did the read the Wrinkle in Time trilogy, so that part is correct. However, now it seems like she's moving past the twin flames idea and perhaps, and I'm not exactly cur sure what's going on here, perhaps because in the 1980s, girls would get bowl cuts, which they did. I remember in second or third grade kindergarten, even girls would get bowl cuts. But apparently that means perhaps she's a man.

[Guest/Caller]

Let's see right now where a young woman with absolutely zero professional qualifications has been inserted at the top of a charity organization that pulled in over a quarter billion dollars last year. And the media is telling you that you have no right to know or to ask anything about her. The Argument being made is that her husband was murdered, therefore she has a right to assume the position. And despite the fact that Turning Point USA is a literal charity, and therefore it's not even have to pay tax on that quarter billion plus dollars or pay tax on the alleged future billions that it's due to break in thanks to a deal with a man named Pierre. These talking heads are claiming that the public simply wanting to ensure the person who is running that organization is, I don't know, at a bare minimum, moderately honest about who she says she is. No, that inquiry makes you a monster. So I guess your job is to head to work 9 to 5, receive a flurry of unsolicited emails and text messages reminding you that Charlie Kirk, the innocent man that you watched, be executed in broad daylight, live. You're to be reminded that that was her. Charlie. My Charlie needs your help.

[Thoughtful]

Now remember, if we're getting into the position of now Erica might be a dude, wouldn't this tarnish the legacy of Charlie? Because now Charlie was into TRA and Z. I mean, this is just getting so preposterous. And whoever this guy is, this obvious clickbait tarred profile here, Project Constitution, we will ride you. We will ride the narrative till the grave with you, Candace. We're gonna. We're willing to die for you. We're writing Ride or die with Candace. So I'm confused because I don't know how they're coming to this conclusion on the basis of a bowl cut. I mean, this is just proposal. I mean, I'm sure there's other arguments that they're going to try to bring forward. But now, first thing to say, I have been critiquing evangelical fake CIA movements and churches since 10 years ago at least. I've got many podcasts and videos doing that. I have no problem saying that TPUSA is some kind of front type of organization, which I think is totally shady. That's my opinion, that's my analysis, and I know I don't trust or care anything about what Erica Kirk is promoting or any of that nonsense. That does not make Candace correct.

[Host/Interviewer]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Host/Interviewer]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Host/Interviewer]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion won. 20 million is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Thoughtful]

Awesome.

[Host/Interviewer]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan, what would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 24, 7, 365.

[Thoughtful]

Wow.

[Host/Interviewer]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

[Thoughtful]

Okay, so let's avoid the basic dialectic here. Tristan, first thoughts on this. What's your analysis of the new X Files episode? That perhaps Erica is also a man.

[Jay]

Yeah, I'm almost interested in, I understand why a lot of people get caught up with it because it's really, it's a, it's kind of like a low level, you know, it's kind of a low level detective story type thing. If you have, you know, Candace, Candace is the, is the star in this noir film and she's discovering all the, you know, incongruities concerning Charlie and stuff like that. But I mean, it's one of the things that she does a lot. And you see this with, you see this with people all the time. And I think she's pretty smart about it, actually, because. You hear me.

[Thoughtful]

Yeah, okay.

[Jay]

Yeah, sorry. I thought my mic was acting up. She, what she does is she'll make accusations without actually accusing anybody. So it's, it's this. You, you kind of go, well, you know, there's all these fake, you know, all these kind of like fake male to female, female to male people out there.

[Thoughtful]

Right?

[Jay]

I mean, clearly there's, you got, you got Michelle Obama, you got Big Mike,

[Thoughtful]

you got, you got, well, virgin McCrone. That was her whole thing last year. Yeah.

[Jay]

Bridging Mac meets Bridget McCrone. And you have all these people, they're, they're clearly not what they seem to be. Right. People love that. People love that. As a story. That's a storyline of most every, every, every detective novel, every pulp detective novel is things are not as they seem. Right. Almost every novel, things are not quite as they seem. And, but she'll go along and she'll kind of weave this narrative. And what she's, you know, she is accusing people. She Is accused.

[Thoughtful]

Yeah, she's saying they're implicated. She's already said they're implicated in. She said they're implicated in the death.

[Jay]

Yeah. And she straight up says they're implicating, that they're. They're complicit in this cover up. But then when she's really pressed on it, someone will say look, what evidence do you have that Erica Kirk is complicit in the death of her husband? She'll say I never said that. What are you talking about? Yeah, I would never say something like that.

[Thoughtful]

Which is a lie. She's lying.

[Jay]

She's very deceptive in that way.

[Thoughtful]

Yeah. And the next thing we want to look at here is Tristan noticed that. And I know I'm not a Hassan fan, but Hassan Piker, as you guys know, is a leftist streamer who decided that he would try to test Candace's so called audience by sending his audience to hers.

[Jay]

Right.

[Thoughtful]

So let's watch this in here. Watching.

[Jay]

Look at this.

[Thoughtful]

Look at my chat. Look at my chat versus Candace Owens's. Nah, slow mode or not, doesn't matter.

[Guest/Caller]

Is that this was done.

[Thoughtful]

Dude, come on.

[Guest/Caller]

My fucking chat down her county clerk who was responsible for scanning those docs into the system two documents.

[Jay]

Look, her entire chat is my fucking chatters.

[Thoughtful]

Her entire chat is my chatters.

[Jay]

Do you think a 36000 person would

[Thoughtful]

like to live viewership channel

[Jay]

would be

[Thoughtful]

capable of raiding another content creator's live chat when they have 213,000 viewers? It's completely fake.

[Guest/Caller]

Responsible here that there are divorce related documents.

[Jay]

It's just my chat in there.

[Guest/Caller]

Look at this. Everyone's typing FA to have access to privacy. That makes sense.

[Thoughtful]

So again, absolutely no like at all for Hassan piker. But does this suggest that Candace's audience is inflated and bought it? Tech bros. Tech dorks out there. Can you comment on this? I'm aware that candace has supposedly 7 million followers on YouTube. Well aware of that. But the problem is that if the audience of 200,000 live is legitimate, why would Hassan be able to dominate and take over the chat like that? That was at least the argument. Tristan, do you have any comments on this?

[Jay]

It's. It's a bit strange. Yeah. I think it's funny just commenting on that. The need to say I don't Just because I played a clip of Hassan and you know Hassan says that the sky is blue and I agree that the sky is blue doesn't mean I endorse everything about Hassan or don't think he's a Massive gay F word. But like the. It's ridiculous that we even have to say that. I feel like you're.

[Thoughtful]

I know. Well, we got a lot of people in the chat that don't know that. They think I'm like some leftist or something. It's because I play a club. It's stupid.

[Jay]

It's the Candace people. You have to say this for the Candace people because they say, oh, he played a Hassan clip. So he's a left. He's a copy.

[Thoughtful]

Right.

[Jay]

It must be a commie. But yeah, I think you got a lot of gate. Get a lot of gate students in your audience. So I think, I think, I think your audience gets it.

[Thoughtful]

The gay program.

[Jay]

It's likely that some of these channels are bought it. I don't know.

[Thoughtful]

Yeah.

[Jay]

Something that I noticed in the last couple weeks, you and I talked about this when I was in the space briefly with you the other day is that Milo seems to be involved in the Candace PR campaign to a certain extent. I don't know if she pays him for consultation.

[Thoughtful]

Oh, interesting.

[Jay]

Or if it's just, you know, basic Milo blackmail stuff that he does. But he's been. He's been pretty prominent in defending her.

[Thoughtful]

Yeah.

[Jay]

And something that I saw happen earlier this week and as a few days ago, there was this controversy over whether people were receiving emails to call Candace Owen. Owen's a demon.

[Thoughtful]

Let's talk about that. Let's talk about that.

[Jay]

It was slightly suspicious. There were some. There were a lot of posts that were. That were pretty similar that seemed like

[Thoughtful]

they were right, you know.

[Jay]

Yeah. There was an organized mass posting against Candace. And that stuff happens all the time. And. But then what was funny is, on the other hand, there was kind of a. The same thing was happening from Candace's end as well. And there were people posting almost the exact typescript defending Candace and calling out the supposed. So you've got bought armies versus bot armies. Yeah, I think that's. That is kind of interesting.

[Thoughtful]

Yeah. And then I saw a lot of people saying that. That the guy who created the original supposed TPUSA thing said, no, it was fake. I made it with AI which vindicates. If that's the case, that vindicates. All of us who were just simply asking how do we know that this memo is real? This could be anything. And they did absolutely no investigation and just ran with it. All of that side, all this Candace bot army ran with the TPUSA memo as legitimate, but nobody knew if it was. And so merely asking the question, how do we Know this is legitimate means that you get attacked on Twitter, as I did for. With hundreds of Candace bots. And if you argue against Candace, you will experience this. You will get all of these ridiculous. And they. They have hardly any followers, hardly any pose. But they're there to tell you that you're a. Now, this is other critics pointing out Erica is a man. Allegedly. According to Candace, they're going with this. Now that Candace. That Erica was a man is. This is a new low. They're actually just evil incarnate. Right? I mean, this is. So that it's. Any of these should have totally discredited Candace. And that's why I can't find anybody willing to debate me on her credibility, because I started following her in this stuff intensely for the last six months. You know, I watched when she did her BB expose, which is a pretty good expose, and I thought, okay, maybe I should give Candace a fair hearing. And then it went from there to craziness. Right. I came in before. Excuse me, after the Egyptian plains thing. So I wasn't really paying attention to Egyptian planes. I think that, by the way, is. But it doesn't prove anything. And then it's. Every week it's a new theory, even to the point of going back to the Project Camelot disinformation stuff of the kookiest boomer. Nonsensical interviews with ufo, alien abductees, super soldiers, Pleiadians, all this nonsense the kids Project Camelot put out, which was her argument and her basis for how Charlie was a time Traveler with the CIA using this 2012 Sumerian technology that suddenly quit working. So at that point, I was like, this is obviously just absolute disinformation, and she's either not that intelligent or she's being fed disinfo and she's falling for it. Either way, it doesn't matter because both of those things can easily be true. Tristan, what is your thought on. Give us some. Some of your takes on sweet candy and where she's gone and what she's putting out now.

[Jay]

Yeah, well, I mean, I like how you use. I think in the YouTube tile, you put conspiracy candy brand. Did you use that term?

[Thoughtful]

Yes, I did.

[Jay]

Yeah. Yeah, I think I. I think I was the first person to use that term. I. I'm gonna claim it. I'm gonna.

[Thoughtful]

We use it on boiler room. It's a boiler room term. Yeah.

[Jay]

I think that's the perfect terminology for it because it's really. It's. It's low nutrition, easily digestible fluff. It's Cotton candy. You know, it's airy, it's sweet, it tastes real good. It makes you. Gives people a little bit of, you know, that. That addictive suspicious feeling. Right? But. But there's. There's no delivery, right? Like what is. So say you buy in all Candace's stuff, right? All this all. It's all true, Candace. It's all true. Erica Kirk is everything you said she is. Right. And of course I shouldn't have to say that. Doesn't mean we think Erica Kirk is necessarily this great saintly figure. But it doesn't mean we are disregarding all suspicions concerning TP usa. Does not mean we're like Mark Levin, you know, first hearted. Level. Yeah. Position. But say that's all true, Candace. Well, now what?

[Thoughtful]

Right?

[Jay]

Then what's next? Like, what if the world just acquiesces? Like, all right, lock him up. Put can. Erica Kirk needs to be tarred and feathered and you know, locked in a cage so that Candace can spit mean girl comments at her and, and millennial wine mom hot chick mog her for the rest of her life, right? She's gonna live in a little bird cage and inside of Candace's Owens home and watch Candace ballroom dance with the hologram of, of Charlie for the rest of her life. That's your punishment. I'm sorry, Erica, but this is your eternal punishment. You're gonna live this way. This is the way it is. And it is not though any. It's not any other way. If that happens, then what? Like what is. What, what the heck is. What is the logical conclusion of all this? I mean, there's just. To me, there's. It's just so pointless. I don't understand what people.

[Thoughtful]

Well, people love getting caught up in the soap opera drama and she's weaved herself into the story as the twin flame outside of time and space lover of Charlie Kirk, who communicates with her from the purgatorial sphere to the dream sphere. Literally.

[Jay]

Right. You know, it's. I mean, it's, it's crazy so that any, if, if anything is interesting about this. It's kind of the psychology of a scorned woman. Yeah, sadly, it's. It's a. It's a fascinating, almost kind of Dostoevsky, you know, Falconerian madness that we're seeing Candace go through where she's, you know, basically kind of having this strange conversation with herself and her former friend, slash whatever she sees him as. And so, yeah, to me the most interesting thing of it is just that that weird psychology of whatever it is that she's going now through here.

[Thoughtful]

I want to ask you another question about the tendency of the grifters in the conspiracy sphere, because I think this is also very relevant with spooks, kooks, and crooks as the theme here is the guy claiming that he actually wrote this supposed memo. Cognitive eth claims that the memo was made with AI. It is not a real internal TPUSA memo to go after Candace calling her, quote, demon. Although there could easily be some coordinated campaign to go after Candace. I don't think that's. That's totally possible. The problem is that anyone questioning it was immediately called a stooge or a getting BB bucks. Right? And here is the people saying, no, this is actually Candace's minions putting out fake evidence like this to both bolster her claims. Tristan, having looked at the conspiracy world for many years, going back to the time of, you know, early 2000s post Big Nine event, you saw, you know, Project Camelot back in the day, interviewing all these obvious loons and grifters to resurrect a lot of 2000s era conspiracies to go into a time machine and make these new and afresh conspiracies for the wine moms out there in Candace's audience. What are. What's the problem with this? Why? Why do you see a problem going back to 2012 conspiracies?

[Host/Interviewer]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Host/Interviewer]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Host/Interviewer]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently. It said 20 billion won. 20 billion is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Thoughtful]

Awesome.

[Host/Interviewer]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.

[Thoughtful]

Wow.

[Host/Interviewer]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

[Jay]

I mean, I, to me, it just seems, it seems like this is just an endless. It's, there's no end to the, the grasping. You know, it's, it's what happens with this type of stuff where it's not so grounded in reality. It almost becomes, it's like a role playing game, right? It's like this long term role playing game and everyone's playing, you know, 5D clue or whatever. And with, with the way everybody's devices are now carried with them everywhere, right? Everyone's there. I'm talking to you on smartphone right now. And everybody has access to this all day long. And some, a lot of stuff's kind of addicted, right? It's, it's addictive in the way that cheap romance novels used to be addicted to women and you know, dime store detective novels back in the 50s, stuff like that. It's, it touches something in the psyche. And also what it touches in the psyche is, is something that's, that's. Even though these things are relatively shallow, she's actually probing into, she's getting into the realm of the mystical. She's getting into the realm of like the deep depths of the human psyche.

[Thoughtful]

She's talking about opening your third eye. She's talking about all this, you know, Christ consciousness, New Agey type.

[Jay]

Yeah. I mean, it's the realm of religion, right? And when you're dealing with paradigm shifts, when you're dealing with that, that feeling of your mind being blown, that's the same thing that kind of the drug culture really, really hits on. And it's somewhat similar to certain drug experiences. The trip that people go on when they're, they're following these kind of rabbit trails down. Especially when they have a charismatic figure. See, it's especially dangerous that she's a sassy black woman too. Goodness. But it's, it, this is the realm of, of the mystical. It's the realm of religion. And people really, do they want that mystery, right? There's, there's, there's something that, that's. We all have this innate draw to the mysteries of life and to the questions that are the most difficult to answer. And what this is doing is kind of sublimating that and subverting it into Maury Povich, MTV reality show style.

[Thoughtful]

Yeah. She, she actually listens to her dreams. Her dreams tell her where to go with the show, what to talk about, what Charlie's telling her. I'm not kidding.

[Jay]

Yes. I mean, I mean this, it's, it's sad, it's weird. I mean, millennial. There's nothing more dangerous to the world than millennial women getting a lot of attention.

[Thoughtful]

All right, let's listen now. Every. Right. Every time this comes up. Go ahead.

[Jay]

I think I kind of.

[Thoughtful]

Well, I want to ask you, too, about the credibility question, too, and then again, some of the more goofy stuff, because, you know, when you were. You and I were on that X space the other night. I'd like to hit some of that topic as well, because we're on YouTube and we got about 2, 000 live almost, and over here, a lot of those people didn't hear that X space that we did, which I think was a really good series of topics showing and questioning her credibility. But I want to play this clip first because people say every time we bring this up. She doesn't say that. She never said that. No, she did. Let's listen.

[Guest/Caller]

Ed, as I showed you in earlier messages, that he was a time traveler and he had to find me. Is that just something people are saying to their homies and text messages? And again, not anything that I. I would have placed so much emphasis on back when he was saying it, but it came to fruition. The other parts. He did die young. Why did he think that him dying young was necessary in order to change things? He did die young. It is related. Turning Point USA in some way or another. At the very least, we could all agree it's related to him speaking at a campus event for Turning Point usa. I'm totally occupied by this. I tell you. I read these messages, and I'm going, what is this? What is reality, actually? And Charlie died. Yes. Like I said, it was related to this organization. And I think we. We would all agree that his death and the manner that they did it changed the world in ways that I don't think we. We can fully realize or I are.

[Thoughtful]

So, remember, Charlie's death changed the time continuum.

[Guest/Caller]

Certainly not in a way that I can articulate. You just cannot pretend that all of

[Jay]

this elaborates on that. Later, with the thing that you mentioned with a secret school at the. Erica Kirk went to the secret Whitley Strieber Military Intelligence School and the gray aliens. And she got, you know, she was. Was just getting. She was getting the downloads from. From little E.T. and he was helping her phone home to brainwash Charlie into marrying her, even though she might be a man. But I'm gonna say that she's probably a man. I'm just gonna imply it very, very strongly. And then when.

[Thoughtful]

Look, I'm just asking questions.

[Jay]

I'm Gonna gaslight if it's safe. No, I didn't.

[Thoughtful]

I just ask questions.

[Jay]

Yeah, it's. It's pretty sad.

[Guest/Caller]

It's one big unhappy coincidence. It's entirely plausible, I think. Plausible that they knew something about Charlie and that's why they had him marked and had him monitored and had him likely followed since he was young. And maybe they thought, like the agents think, that if they swarmed him and they stayed with him and they pretend to be his friend, that ultimately they could control Charlie and. And perhaps change.

[Thoughtful]

Charlie is the Kwisatz hotter rock in her mind. Right. So basically, the agents are the missionary of Protectiva that have to control Paul Muadib. I mean, Charlie Kirk, Charlie Muadib. Because if he gets loose, then the time continuum is screwed and the system will collapse.

[Guest/Caller]

An outcome they could literally change. An outcome related to Charlie.

[Thoughtful]

So did you hear that? If they don't stop Charlie, Charlie will change reality. They had to stop Charlie before reality shifted. It's just insane. Like, it's almost like it's. It's new age. It's weird.

[Guest/Caller]

So when for the first time in his life, because I do believe he was managed. I mean, I've already said I was handled. I didn't recognize that I had agents.

[Thoughtful]

Okay, so wait a minute. If Candace was supposedly handled, then wouldn't that shoot her credibility and her discernment right there? I mean, maybe you're still being handled. Maybe you're still being fed stupid disinfo that you believe. So again, she's like, people aren't using a whole lot of critical thinking. Watching her show.

[Guest/Caller]

And for the first time in his life, Charlie peeks his head up and starts to push back in a meaningful way. It couldn't stop him from becoming bigger. That was. That seemed to be inevitable. But they panicked. They seem to have panicked, right? I mean, this is just starting to happen within a year when Charlie's going like, hey, man, I don't actually think this. I don't actually believe this. And then he goes, you know what? Take the money. Take the money out of the organization. And they panicked. They freaked out.

[Thoughtful]

Now, that's not the only thing. There's also the Sumerian time travel technology. There's also the third eye. There's also the fact that light posts turn off and on when Charlie is near because of his esp super sensory powers. How do we know about that? Oh, she cited a CIA program that isn't a real CIA program. Yes, I'm aware of Project the Gateway process in Looking Glass. However, Looking Glass which she showed on her show was not what she claimed it was. It's a totally different operation. She just briefly showed some image of a article from the Cold War about the Soviets and Operation Looking Glass, which had nothing to do with time travel or any of the. In fact, the only thing that you can find called Operation Looking Glass and time travel is literal Project Camelot made up bull crap that the CIA has ancient Sumerian technology, and she showed that on her show. She thinks that ancient Sumerian technology is what the CIA had and it quit working in 2012. How do we know that? Because of some rando dude on Project Camelot? Project Camel Toe is the most ridiculous Boomer conspiracy candy nonsense. Just go look at the channel. It's. But it's resurrecting these old. This is. It's almost like cast Sunstein's cognitive infiltration. Invade the conspiracy sphere with nonsense and it makes everybody look stupid. Why do you care what Candace says? Because she's now one of the top podcasters out there. Allegedly. Allegedly. Okay, so that means that the biggest thing out there is now conspiracy. And if you've been in the conspiracy sphere since 2000 or 1998 or wherever, 2002, whatever, then this makes you look retarded. Oh, you're part of the Candace crowd. You think that there's the Illuminati. You think that there's the agents everywhere and it's 2012. No, it's just, I mean, two normal normies that are waking up. This is a funnel to funnel you into being. And how do I know that? Because I've been in this sphere since 2000 and I believe retarded things. I've been through this roller coaster disinformation thing at times to believe stupid. And then as you get smarter and older and wiser, you realize that was really dumb. There's no aliens. There's no alien. I mean, there might be demons, but there's no, you know, Agarthen Wigartha moon base where the, you know, aliens are taking the children to clone them. That's all disinfo. Tristan, you mentioned some things about her credibility. What are the. Some of the things that you've notice that make her questionable for you credibility wise.

[Host/Interviewer]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Host/Interviewer]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Host/Interviewer]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently. It said 20 billion one 20 million is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and better and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Thoughtful]

Awesome.

[Host/Interviewer]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan, what would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to to take your call. 24, 7 365.

[Jay]

Wow.

[Host/Interviewer]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

[Jay]

Well, one of the things I think people should look out for when you're kind of navigating a realm like this, when you see a lot of vague generalities of suspicion being prodded at without an actual thesis.

[Thoughtful]

Right.

[Jay]

So there's this. But her thesis is just vague and then often targeted in vicious suspicion. So when you see a high level of like kind of pathos behind it and emotion behind it, sometimes it's, it's a good indication that that person's views may be a little bit clouded by their emotion. Right. So I think she's, she's presenting herself as some sort of an intellectual. Not intellectual, but as a, as a journalist essentially. Right. She, I'm Candace and I am an investigative journalist is basically what she's presenting. But notice she doesn't do any actual, actual journalism.

[Thoughtful]

Exactly.

[Jay]

Her sources are often anonymous emails from her audience, which, you know, I mean, have fun speculating on what sorts of characters are getting involved in sending her emails to guide her content.

[Thoughtful]

Well, we already saw that with, with Mitch Snow, who was a grifter con man got exposed for lying about his arrest record, was not imprisoned by his wife in the garage, who he said his wife broke his thumbs and locked him in the garage and imprisoning him. But he's supposedly also a Green Beret black ops dude. And then it turns out he's arrested at Fort which at Fort Huachuca for acting insane. But because he's on the base, that's proved that that's proof that he was there and overheard in a secret meeting between a bunch of colonels the planning of the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And she, he thinks 90 that Erica Kirk was there. Oh, and by the way, his dad is a zodiac killer. Obvious grifter. Where was clear.

[Jay]

Clear. Things like this where you're not doing your homework. Right. I think it's, I think it's pretty obvious that they're seeing. I mean, I haven't even watched an entire show of hers, but I just. From the clips and from the things, you know, I've got some friends who are really into Candace as well, but oftentimes I'm hearing the narratives and it's. To me it's not, it's not adding up to a cohesive thesis. There's no real, there's no actual theory that she's presenting and it's fine. You know, if you're investigating something that's odd, you're not always going to have to have a thesis or you know, working, working framework for understanding it. Some things are just strange, right? Especially when you're getting into the realm of espionage and stop. And that stuff is there intentionally, right? That if you are investigating something where there's a level of, you know, espionage and whatnot involved, there's going to be a whole. The fog of war is going to obscure things. But she's consistently presenting her suspicions as if it's evidence. And then she takes the evidence, the so called evidence, which are small anecdotes, and she'll add those up into just creating more general suspicion and then she'll cliffhang on a. You're not gonna believe what we discovered next time. And it just continues like that. So it's done in a serial manner.

[Thoughtful]

It's. It's X Files. It's the monster of the week. It's the monster of the week. X Files.

[Jay]

Absolutely. So I think people should look out for that. Like you look out when you see this in the UFO bio world a lot. You look at guys like. I mean, I haven't paid attention to it since maybe the Project Camelot days, but I, I know there's a guy like Timothy Albarino and some of these characters that are out there. Do you know that guy now, Jay?

[Thoughtful]

Have you seen him? I know of him. I don't know him, but yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jay]

I've seen a couple podcasts with him and he's kind of the new Project Camelot type things. You know, the updated version. He's basically, he presents himself as a, he's this great explorer kind of.

[Thoughtful]

He's Indiana Jones, he's Nicholas Cage, he's Benjamin Gates and National Treasure.

[Jay]

Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, look out for that. I mean, these are red flags, right? If you're just constantly, if you got somebody, the whole, the whole stick is just to stoke suspicion and then get you to tune in next time where she'll stoke suspicion more and then tune it next time. And then a level of it really is just, I mean, gotta be honest, a level of it is really just a woman prattle, petty drama. So, yeah, that's another thing.

[Thoughtful]

Yeah, right.

[Jay]

Like there's so much of its pathos and drama and I, I tend to try to avoid people like that generally. Now, I'm not saying that, you know, sometimes things don't need to get hashed out, but the public spats and the people who build their audience on stirring up controversy, those are generally going to be people who are not, you know, they're often not giving you depth of analysis. They're not going to give you.

[Thoughtful]

Right.

[Jay]

A straightforward and coherent worldview. It's usually just based on personality cults and duking it out for, you know, social media.

[Thoughtful]

Well, also, too. And I don't typically, I don't have a hard rule that no women should ever publicly speak. But why are we all suddenly just deferring to all of these women voices? For example, Anna Kasparian has been a rabid, wicked leftist forever. And suddenly the right turn, quote unquote, that she's taking, oh, now everyone's, yeah, she's on our side now. Are you. Do you have no, like, discernment and suspicion when the rabid leftists are suddenly using right wing talking points? Do you have no discernment to think that, that maybe these people are grifters? Maybe they're not actually sincere in their motivations. And just like politicians, they shift with the changing tides. And another person that I would be suspicious of is Carrie Prejean Bowler. Wasn't she like a Miss America or whatever? And then suddenly she's now putting up AI images of her and Anna Kasparian and Candace all together, quote, united for humanity, United for Gaza, United for America. And because she calls out Zionism, she must be true. Why are we listening to all of these women on giant geopolitical issues? First of all, because women are not typically made for this. This is not typically their domain. There may be some exceptions to that. But why am I. And then all the tried cats. Oh, she's, she's a babe and she's calling out Zionism.

[Jay]

She's.

[Thoughtful]

She's based. Okay, well, that's good. But that's not all that it takes to be correct, right? How many anti Zionist loons have there been? Countless, brother Nathaniel. On and on and on. There's tons of these people who are absolute quack lunatics, but because they call out Zionism, they must be true, they must be good, they must be sincere, they must be heroes. And literally everybody's just making fun of

[Jay]

her for this post.

[Thoughtful]

By the way, even I even said, look, how about we debate your positions and your support for Candace? And she turned it down. Of course nobody will debate these topics. No one will take the Candace support position in a public moderated debate. I've tried multiple people and Josie will moderate it. She has almost a million followers on X. She's more than happy to moderate. A pro can disposition and debate. And why do you care? Why do you care, by the way? Oh, you won't debate the Zionist. No, I was supposed to debate Shabbos custom off on. We were going to debate on Jake's channel whether Epstein was Mossad and he declined it. So no, you can't accuse me of not debating the Zionists or not debating the, the, you know, pro war side of things. And now typically, I mean, Syrian girl, she gets things wrong here and there, but she's always been cordial in discussions and whatnot. But she said having beauty is linked to being good. I'm not sure that's the case. I mean it may, but that is sort of a fallacious idea.

[Jay]

No, I mean, I get, I guess I get what she's getting at. The idea of like the dusty escaping beauty will save the world. Right. Aesthetic truth and beauty being linked.

[Thoughtful]

Well, first of all, this is a fake image. It's an AI image. This isn't real. So I mean, you hate beauty and

[Jay]

truth, Jay, why you hate beautiful, true AI images.

[Thoughtful]

Well, but again, it's like, yeah, typically being disformed, abnormal and ugly, that goes along with vice. Vice is a kind of moral deformity. Sure. And aesthetics is, you know, directly connected to proportionality, harmony, symphony, all those things go into the aesthetics of beauty. But this idea that these are all the three good people and because they oppose these three points, by the way, how are you united for beautiful?

[Jay]

So they're good. So then, I mean every Hollywood actress then, and all their.

[Thoughtful]

We should follow. We should follow.

[Jay]

Yeah, most, they're beautiful.

[Thoughtful]

Most of the women in the public sphere, in music and entertainment and media are leftists. So this is just totally absurd. But this is exactly why again, Syrian girl, she's an attractive female. That doesn't mean that she has good takes. Well, she's a good Zionism. So she's a Muslim like, her religion is ridiculous, so.

[Jay]

Yeah, no, I mean, I like. I like. Serious.

[Thoughtful]

I do too.

[Jay]

Yeah, she's done a lot of good stuff, but it's. It's a funny take. I get what she's trying to get at, but it's. I don't know. I don't think if she was pressed on it, she would continue with that line of reasoning. It seems more like a. Like a hot take, kind of rage bait.

[Thoughtful]

Tweet. Yes. And then people are saying argument. People are saying, what about Ian Carroll or Jake Shields? I offered to debate Jake on Candace, and he wouldn't do it.

[Jay]

What they're saying is, what about Ian Carroll or Jake Shields? They're both obviously beautiful, and so therefore they must be. Right.

[Thoughtful]

Well, I know your predilections. We all know your tendencies, so. But we're talking. We're not talking about lust right now, okay, Tristan? We're talking about media and listening to.

[Jay]

I get it. But you want to name. Who do you think? All right, fine. Let's move on. The hottest guys in all media. Like, hottest.

[Thoughtful]

Who's the hottest, bro?

[Jay]

Right now? Top 10.

[Thoughtful]

Well, if we're talking about bipoc queens, I mean, I'm right here. Hello. Hello. I'm right here.

[Jay]

No, I want, like. I want. I want full on, like, like hottest wigger nazis on Twitter.

[Thoughtful]

Oh, shoot. Crap. I guess is Jake Shield is the king of that. Right?

[Jay]

So if you're. If you're gonna have to repopulate with Gara with just all media tanks, who is gonna be. Who's gonna be the wig? Arthur.

[Thoughtful]

Oh, easy. Well, first of all, we already know, because I ran a poll, and it was already decided who was the original wiga and thus has the heir to the throne of Wagartha. Well, we did a poll, and out of a thousand votes, it wasn't Vanilla Ice, it wasn't Marky Mark, and it wasn't Jamie Kennedy as B. Rad. It was your boy right here. 50. 50 of the audience voted. I am the original wigger, and thus have the lineage and title to the. The chair of the throne of Wigs. Anthem. So settled there. There it is settled right there. Now, Tristan, you brought up something in our space the other night that I also want you to bring up here in terms of credibility when it comes to Queen Qandas. You mentioned the Tates. Why is that an issue?

[Jay]

Well, all right, so I wish. I wish that was streamed, because that was. We hit a lot of these points, and I. I think I made some.

[Thoughtful]

I know I forgot to hit record. I apologize.

[Jay]

I had a good thesis. I had a good, like, what would you call it? I had a good new Twitter bio for Candice. It's. What was it? It's like, what, Millennial wine Mom discovers time machine.

[Thoughtful]

Yes.

[Jay]

The 2007 conspiracy theories.

[Thoughtful]

Yes, exactly.

[Jay]

With zero discernment.

[Thoughtful]

Exactly. There you go.

[Jay]

All in. 2007 conspiracy theories with zero discernment. But yeah, one of the things that happened in that one, as we had this guy on, he sounded like a kind of a younger kid, and he was pretty. He was actually pretty nice. He was willing to concede that. He ended up conceding. Okay, yeah, I guess Candace is not really a credible source. But I. We asked him, well, what would. What would you say would be good proof that Candace is not the most reliable source? And he said, well, if she lied. So I asked her about, okay, well, if I can't. If I gave you. If there. If there was a. An instance where I can prove to you that Candace blatantly lied in order to cover up for criminal friends of hers, would that be something that maybe would make you reconsider credibility? And he said, absolutely. So I said, all right, well, I have proof, and I can show you right now the proof that Candace blatantly lied to cover up for her. Her pito. Her pizza, the people for the ethical treatment of her pizza Philic friends, the Tate brothers. So Candace actually ran a media campaign on behalf of the taste and put out and docs the information of the victim. And this is a. A proven victim of human trafficking who was assaulted by a man who was harmed when she was 15 years old by a man that wasn't Tate. It was another. It was another guy. She put out a video attacking this person and doxing her name and her address and her. Her name and her location to her fans so they could go harass her while. While. While bleeping out the name and obscuring the name of her attacker, who was a convicted repeat offender of those crimes. And she also, many times has been. I mean, this is. This is easily demonstrated. And there, There. This is all documented. She lied many times about the tape brothers to cover up about what was going on with their cases, what they were accused of, and what was happening with the cases over in Romania. So. And this person actually ended up conceding and saying, okay, well, I guess. I guess maybe that does kind of discredit her.

[Thoughtful]

Let's listen to this clip here.

[Guest/Caller]

And when I'm looking into the Charlie Egyptian planes and I'm like, What's going on in Wilmington, Delaware? And I instantly hit the Dupont family. And then Erica's out there nervously at Amfest cracking like not funny jokes about Egyptian planes. She's like, no, nobody from gypsy planes are here. Tell you something, her jokes are going to become less and less funny as we get deeper into this series. And when I'm looking into the Charlie.

[Thoughtful]

So in other words, making jokes about me means you're gonna get a vindictive response.

[Guest/Caller]

Interesting little tidbit.

[Thoughtful]

Also, Candace is not very well read and we can prove that by the fact that she doesn't know a lot of basic terms.

[Guest/Caller]

But he did tell me another interesting little tidbit. A little neck dote.

[Thoughtful]

A little neck dope. Not an anecdote, a little neck dope. This is your genius crack detective journalist, right? Who again, doesn't know half of the multi syllable words. And even two and three syllable words are a challenge for her, it seems.

[Host/Interviewer]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Host/Interviewer]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Host/Interviewer]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion one. 20 billion is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Thoughtful]

Awesome.

[Host/Interviewer]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan, what would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone.

[Thoughtful]

We are always open.

[Dan Morgan]

Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.

[Thoughtful]

Wow.

[Host/Interviewer]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. You Visit for the people.com for an office near you.

[Thoughtful]

Now let's take a look at the Project Camelot type of vibe that we have here. This is one of her major sources and it is a ridiculous UFO disinformation outlet that that has for years interviewed the most ridiculous people. In 2010, there was a man at the highly secretive City of London meeting was planned a third world war. It will be Israel and Iran. Okay, so because this interview was done 15 years ago, this is supposed to be proof that that Project Camelot is on point. Right. Well, let's take a look at Project Camelot's website and channel and let's see what all they have discussed over the years. Because I feel like in today's lazy atmosphere, not many people went to check to see if Project Camelot was actually a credible source. Let's see what else is over here. Here's Carrie Cassidy and her little jaguar song that she has here that she's fond of. ET Disclosure. Three Eye Atlas. The Anunnakis. They're back. Oh, interesting. Here we go. Let's scroll through a few of these. This is essentially Boomer UFO slop studying angelology with Robert Stanley. Quantum windows and dimensions with insane boomers that look like Nancy Reagan. Right? Here we go.

[Jay]

Lot by 2014, I was really speaking even more so.

[Thoughtful]

And I'm not joking because quantum dimensions. This is the stuff that Candace is talking about. Quantum dimensional time portal. Charlie Kirk, Twin Flame, the New Looking Glass and the coming EMP blast. White hats in the government QAnon aliens. The. The white hats are united with the QAnons. The secret hidden planets, angels and UFOs. So self healing through Gaia. Here we go.

[Jay]

This is.

[Thoughtful]

It was.

[Jay]

It all was just. It's a bunch of new age crystal stuff. And she ended up. I remember later on she got Carrie Cassidy, the lady there, she got really. This lady called Ashayana Dean. And I knew this guy, this guy I went to college with. He got really into Australianity. And it's like Ascension mechanics. It's basically UFO Kabbalah. It's Kabbalah. Plus all sorts of alien stuff like the. She makes all these really interesting aesthetic schizo crystal Kabbalah. Ascension.

[Thoughtful]

Right.

[Jay]

Drawings and you have to as. And she's mapping out the layers of consciousness and the different levels and realms and all the things you could do with the powers of your mind. Ends up being basically Scientology. Kapala Space alien sex cult.

[Thoughtful]

And if you guys are into this, I do have a song that's better than camel Toe. Cassidy's song about her jaguar nature. I would direct you over here to Ascension Millennium, the official release from your boy Corey Feldman over here, right? Probably. Probably the best Jewish man in Hollywood.

[Jay]

This Corey show is Merkabah. In the video,

[Thoughtful]

if that's a reference to a witness, then no, unfortunately we do not see his wienas. We do see.

[Jay]

I knew you would take it.

[Thoughtful]

We do see. We do see. We do see.

[Jay]

This is the problem when you're talking you guys, just for everybody in the audience. This is the problem when you're talking about things like this with the uninitiated, the unascended. You know, I'm trying to talk about deep spiritual matters. And, you know. And Jay over here is making dirty.

[Thoughtful]

Hold on. You just assume again. You assumed that Corey Feldman's Ascension Millennium video is not deep spiritual matters. First of all, he just put on a Michael Jackson jacket and glove. He's there with one of Corey's angels.

[Guest/Caller]

Right?

[Thoughtful]

So do you think.

[Jay]

Do you think Corey Feldman saw Michael Jackson DeMarco book.

[Thoughtful]

Well, they're in a bedroom, and he's waking up to Corey's angels, and you're not. So sounds like somebody's got a little jealousy.

[Jay]

Into the bedroom and make it. This is so weird. You make it all suggestive. Dude, I'm asking if he.

[Thoughtful]

I didn't even say it was sexual.

[Jay]

You.

[Thoughtful]

You read.

[Jay]

You.

[Thoughtful]

You read all the sexuality into it.

[Jay]

He's gonna interrupt again. Watch. Jay, you're gonna have to mute yourself. I'm gonna mute you, bro. I'm gonna have to be you. Listen, you. You don't have to make everything dirty talk. Yay. I'm talking about serious stuff here. Like, you think Corey Feldman saw Michael Jackson's merka. But yes or no?

[Thoughtful]

Listen, I mentioned a bedroom. I mentioned a merkabah, and you made it dirty. You just assumed it was dirty. Look, the video has Sean Astin.

[Jay]

He's always projecting. This is what he does. He projects and then he mutes. Watch him mute me.

[Thoughtful]

Look, here's Sean Aston. He's got Samwise in the video. You'll notice, too, that statue is the statue from Goonies. So there's a lot of coded references in the. It's very spiritual, right? Tristan can't see what I'm looking at. Okay? He's got a part. He's having a party at his house. There's a party. There's rappers showing up. How is this not spiritual? Anyway, if you guys are interested in ascending, big fans of Carrie Cassidy and now Queen Qandas, we'll head on over there and watch Ascension Millennium. That's your tune right there. Guys, you want to support the room, you can do so through Super Chat.

[Jay]

Super.

[Thoughtful]

Just done through StreamLabs or through YouTube natively. There's the link right there. Excuse me. That's the Project Camelot link. Do not go there. Unless you're a boomer conspirator. Then you're welcome to go over there. Now, we got a few calls. I'll take one call and Then we'll go to some more analyses here of the grifting conspiracy candy world. Thoughtful. And then we'll go to John Adams, our boy over here. Thoughtful. You want to mute.

[Jay]

We should. Maybe we should ask if there any, you know, what's up, man? The court. You think any Candace supporters are in the audience?

[Thoughtful]

I hope so. They're welcome to call in. Thoughtful. What's up? What's on your mind?

[Jay]

Hey, so I'm a EO brother, I'm based out of Russia. So, you know, apologies ahead of time if I get contrary and the audio is fucked up. But yeah, I'm a little bit in disagreement with you about like, I think that you're right about whether or not Candace is discredited. I would agree with you there, but I think that, that, you know, having like a blanket statement, just like kind of dismissing her altogether, is also equally low iq. Because, I mean, the same reason that you don't do that to Alex Jones, right. If we were to hold Alex to that same exact standards, then we could easily dismiss him.

[Thoughtful]

Well, first of all, Alex has a long track record of being absolutely accurate and has pointed me to tons of real geopolitical texts years and years ago that I actually went and read. Candace doesn't read and can't read. So I think that's a false equivalence.

[Jay]

Well, I mean, look, I'm not going to sit here and try to, to, you know, split hairs with where it is that he's more accurate or not more accurate. What I would say is that Candace has been accurate in multiple instances. And if you were to like evaluate like what she's saying, right. On an individual claim, claim by claim basis, you'd be doing a lot better than everyone else that's trying to seemingly like kind of just blanket statement. Oh my gosh. It's just she's these horrible, just so low iq.

[Thoughtful]

Tell me how this, how does disinformation work? Tell me how it works.

[Jay]

I mean, specifically adds correct information and then laces it with a false narrative.

[Thoughtful]

Yeah, exactly.

[Jay]

What's that?

[Thoughtful]

Exactly?

[Jay]

Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm not disagreeing with you at all.

[Thoughtful]

But I mean, then you're admitting that she's not credible.

[Jay]

I've already admitted I said that. That was my first sentence.

[Thoughtful]

I'm not saying why are we supposed to listen? Why are we supposed to listen to people? Why are we supposed to listen?

[Jay]

Because. No, because there's, there's still value. I mean, a broken clock is right twice a day, right? Like there's still value.

[Thoughtful]

Well, by that argument, everybody's analysis. Okay,

[Jay]

okay, sure. Yes. That's a very good and astute point, Tristan. I appreciate that, but the point I'm making here is that Thoughtful.

[Thoughtful]

Thoughtful. Hold on. Thoughtful and acorn.

[Jay]

And. And what?

[Thoughtful]

I'm. Thoughtful. Hold on.

[Jay]

I can't hear you.

[Dan Morgan]

Sorry.

[Thoughtful]

My bad.

[Jay]

If the audio is bad and I'm

[Thoughtful]

talking over you by line of argument, everyone isn't an analyst, and everyone is credible because anybody can be right as like a broken clock twice a day.

[Jay]

Well, I mean, do you not think that the. The story about the planes, which are the flight tracker, you can go verify that independently?

[Dan Morgan]

That's not.

[Jay]

That's not something that you dispute. Right.

[Thoughtful]

I don't think it proves or doesn't show anything what was.

[Jay]

What is the results? All right, so you believe the Egyptian plains thing. What were the Egyptian planes doing? And why should we be concerned with this? Yeah, I have. I have absolutely no idea.

[Thoughtful]

Okay, so I tell you that if

[Jay]

you have any countries. Hold on. Let me.

[Guest/Caller]

Let me finish.

[Jay]

Let me finish. If you have any country's military planes that are following on or following around political figures that closely for the course of, like, five to six years, that is absolutely something. That's interesting. Okay. What evidence does she have that there were another country's military planes following around Charlie Kirk? Where's the evidence for this? That's actually. She's published that. And you can look up those flight logs and see exact. You could. There's actually flight trackers that you can do this with.

[Thoughtful]

This is not.

[Jay]

This is not something that's, you know, gray area, possibly. You're saying there were. You're saying that you believe there were Egyptian military planes. Are these. Are these fighter jets or are these just military planes? These are planes registered to the Egyptian military. They're registered to the Egyptian military, and they're allowed to fly all around the United States and follow around public figures. Correct. Have you not looked into this? I have looked into this. They were not Egyptian military. They absolutely were. This is not. If you had looked into this like I'm telling you. I have. This is not.

[Thoughtful]

And. And what.

[Jay]

How.

[Thoughtful]

And you looked into this exactly.

[Jay]

How to assert things and say you haven't looked into it. So you don't know. I assert that it's been debunked.

[Thoughtful]

You haven't.

[Jay]

You. You haven't seen this. It's been debunked. Oh, well, yeah, you can look it up, Tristan. This is what I mean when I say this is low iq.

[Thoughtful]

No, it's not. He's using the same argument you use. He's using your argument.

[Jay]

I'm showing you your tactics. I'm mirroring your tactics. No, no, no. What you've done, you said that it was debunked. I said provide a claim. Provide a. Provide a source for your claim.

[Thoughtful]

Provide a source for where this was proven.

[Dan Morgan]

You haven't.

[Host/Interviewer]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Host/Interviewer]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Host/Interviewer]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion.

[Thoughtful]

Wonderful.

[Host/Interviewer]

20 million is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Thoughtful]

Awesome.

[Host/Interviewer]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always where need to take your call. 247365.

[Thoughtful]

Wow.

[Host/Interviewer]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

[Jay]

I'm saying that my. My claim is as valid as she provided. No, she pro. I'm not making this claim. She made that claim.

[Thoughtful]

Oh, you're making her claim, you liar.

[Jay]

J. J provided the evidence. Jay has the evidence. Okay. You have to trust. Trust me, bro. Jay has the evidence.

[Thoughtful]

Yeah, exactly.

[Jay]

Okay. I mean, okay, is there evidence.

[Thoughtful]

Did you. Did you. Do you not understand? He's using.

[Jay]

It seems like there's this blankets.

[Thoughtful]

Do you understand that he's using your argument and showing that it's not a good argument?

[Jay]

No, I. Hold on.

[Thoughtful]

You don't understand.

[Jay]

What I'm saying is that there is absolutely value in what Candace is doing.

[Thoughtful]

You haven't shown that yet. Where is the value? If. If her value is a bloke broken clock can be right twice a day, then literally everybody has value. As an analyst, that's a sure.

[Jay]

But what I'm saying here is a little bit further than that.

[Thoughtful]

Right?

[Jay]

Because it's not just a broken clock. It's a broken clock with platform. And the fact that she actually does have people, like, for example, wolves in finance. I don't know if you've seen his channel.

[Thoughtful]

Oh, that guy's a retard. You're done. Get out of here. All right, what's up? And who believes that guy was in Russia? Give me a break. Oh, yes, I'm actually in Russia right now. I'm the mosque. I'm in Moscow, down the hall from Alexander. From. From Alexander Dugan, together with Putin. And we are discussing Candace, for now, in Russia. Rays, what's up?

[Jay]

Hello, G. I wanted to say you're my favorite bipoc diva.

[Thoughtful]

Good. You have some. You have some discernment. Okay.

[Jay]

You mentioned the quote by St. Basil calling Rome useless or something along the lines.

[Thoughtful]

That's in his letters, correct?

[Jay]

About the Malaysian schism. And I was looking for it, and I. I can't find it anywhere.

[Thoughtful]

It's in his letters.

[Jay]

I just can't find it anywhere.

[Thoughtful]

Okay, I'll find it for you. Right.

[Jay]

By the way, for the audience, what I was doing there, I was. I was using the guy's argument to show him how ridiculous it was. I wasn't making the claim that. Just trust me, bro. That's all the evidence I need. I was showing him that. That's what he was doing. He was saying, well, look. And just provided this great evidence of the Egyptian plains. And it was totally real. And I'm like, well, okay, well, you want. Do you have some proof of this? He says, yeah, go. Just go look it up. Because they all know it's been debunked. And he says, do you have proof of that? I say, yeah, look it up. And that's okay for him to do, but of course, if I do it, he'll say it's low iq. I'm not making the argument that, oh, it's just debunked because I said it is. All you have to do is look it up. However, that Egyptian plains thing was so. It was absurd on so many levels. You know, I wouldn't be able to give the cogent breakdown right now of all the reasons why it was wrong. But I remember when this happened and looking into this and seeing just how absurd the claims were, and it was. It was pretty thoroughly debunked. It was. It was. I snoaked it, Guys. No, but it was pretty thoroughly debunked by a bunch of different people who pointed out how absurd these claims were. And the fact that just believing that Egyptian military planes are following Charlie Kirk around for three years. Okay. If you buy that, you buy into that. And they. What were they doing? Well, they couldn't tap his cell phone. They're following them or they don't, they don't have. They don't have access to the promise software.

[Thoughtful]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's, it's. It's not the year 2026 with all of that technology. It's the year 1932. And airplanes have to fly and spy on people.

[Jay]

They were gangster. Charlie Kirk had Egyptian military gang stalkers who were fault flying around on airplanes and doing hand signals in. In restaurants. And, and they were, they were. They were following around and, and doing secret gangstalker hand signs to each other. That Safeway.

[Thoughtful]

Okay, so Basil's letters are. Basil's letters are 67 to 70. Covers the dispute with Rome, and Rome being worthless. The first one is letter 67 to Athanasius. And that this discussion goes all the way to letter 70 to Pope Damasus.

[Jay]

Oh, thank you so much.

[Thoughtful]

Yep. And I did a whole podcast on this, by the way, because it's a great reputation of anything like Vatican one in the first four centuries. Welcome, everybody. Over 2,000, we got 2, 200. We're having a lot of fun here. Dissecting, decoding, taking, taking questions, debating. Ray's. Ray. Almost gonna call you Ray Ray. Okay, thank you, Ray Ray. Okay. Okay. Greek or excuse me, Russian script. I can't read your kirillic. I'm not proficient.

[Jay]

Hi, Jay.

[Thoughtful]

Yo.

[Jay]

First of all, I went to say that I really appreciate you, and that is a blessing. That content like yours exist in this space that is full of brain deads. Yeah, I think.

[Thoughtful]

Thank you.

[Jay]

I'm a little bit afraid of public speaking, but I will give my best to ask you one question, and that is if God knew before he created us that we would end up in hell, which is a place of eternal torture, why he created us in the first place.

[Thoughtful]

So the Orthodox. The Orthodox view of hell is not that God is satisfying his. His vindictiveness with torturing people. The orthodox view of hell is something like you read in C.S. lewis's the Great Divorce, where people essentially reject God and put themselves in a state where they don't want to be in his presence. So they're actually tormented by their own will and by what they wanted. Not a vindictiveness out of God's, you know, justice or something like that. Like he. He needs to, you know, torture people for all millennium. God doesn't need anything, so he doesn't receive anything. From creatures. This is something that's taught, you know, multiple times in the text of scripture. This is why, for example, PSA is wrong. Because you can't pay God off. He has no need. So really, he's just giving everyone what they want. So being, quote, condemned to hell just means that you went to the place that you wanted to be, not that God forced you into some situation that you didn't want. Now, let's listen to this little tidbit here, just because this one, I think, is. Is pretty funny. I have not yet heard this clip, but it looks fun.

[Guest/Caller]

Okay, I have to tell you guys something before we get into comments, because I need to know that I'm not the only person who didn't know this. Okay, I didn't know this, but also, Savannah didn't know this. So at least two of us didn't know this. I was gonna walk with my husband, and it was thundering, I think. And I was like, oh, no big deal. We can keep walking because there's no lightning. And he was like, what do you mean by that? And I said, you know, like, it's just thunder. Lightning is the problem. And then my husband was like, you know that it can't thunder without lightning, right? That lightning. That thunder is the sound of lightning. My mind was completely blown. I promise you, in my 35 years of living, I had never heard that. And I just need to know in the live chat right now if this is just a girl thing because me and Savannah didn't know this or is this literally just me and Savannah are the only people in the entire world.

[Thoughtful]

No, you're just a mean girl who thinks that she's very intelligent and doesn't know basic facts. And this is again, why would I trust somebody to analyze geopolitical machinations, assassinations, warfare, Israel versus the west, when she doesn't even know what thunder is? This is a. A foolish person, and you're all being led into foolishness by listening to foolish people. Now, how many times have we seen in media, foolish people gain giant audiences and are propped up, and yet you all just say the only reason you would talk about this is because you're jealous. You're just jealous of Candace. You're just a BB Bucks loser. You can't get an audience. You're so jealous. Or what if I'm actually right? What if I know what I'm talking about here? Real, real inward. What's up? Real N word.

[Jay]

What's up?

[Thoughtful]

What's on your mind?

[Jay]

I wanted to ask you what's Your opinion on what's going on in Iran right now with our involvement.

[Thoughtful]

We're, we're about to get to that after we finish the Candace segment. But of course, obviously, I don't think it was wise to go to war for Israel and to support the Greater Israel Project, which I've been talking about for 15 years.

[Jay]

Do you have a source for that? You have a source for that, Jay?

[Thoughtful]

Candace has a source and she showed it. It.

[Jay]

Okay. All right.

[Thoughtful]

There you go. Yeah. So, yeah. Why are you trying to, you know, use low IQ arguments, Tristan? Because she had a source, so she showed it on the screen.

[Jay]

Do you have a source for me using low, low IQ arguments?

[Thoughtful]

Candace said that you. Candace said you're using low IQ arguments. She had a source on the screen. You can go look it up.

[Jay]

Dang. All right. I didn't think you're going to come back like that. All right, fine.

[Thoughtful]

Apef what's up?

[Jay]

Rfj,

[Host/Interviewer]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Host/Interviewer]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Host/Interviewer]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently. It said 20 billion. 20 million is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Thoughtful]

Awesome.

[Host/Interviewer]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan, what would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247365.

[Thoughtful]

Wow.

[Host/Interviewer]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

[Thoughtful]

Hi.

[Jay]

Is everything okay? Can you hear me?

[Thoughtful]

Everything is not okay.

[Dan Morgan]

Everyone.

[Thoughtful]

Everyone in the west is dumb. So no, things are not okay. They're in spiritual, basically.

[Jay]

I'm calling. I'm calling from Italy as a Persian who basically migrated here three years ago. I've just finished my studies. I've just gotten an entry job. And right now I can't tell you how euphoric I am that my people are getting Freed from the Islamic yoke of these molas and Ayatollahs. And thing is, basically my only qualms with the situation in Iran is that I don't like this resolve guy.

[Thoughtful]

Yeah.

[Jay]

Because he has too many links to the shady sides, the, of, of the banking elites. Sure. That's the only thing that is a bit concerning to me. So let me ask you, this picture is very good. Like the referendum is gonna be banging, banging Islamists into the. I won't say the word because.

[Thoughtful]

So let me ask you a question. So some people are concerned that he doesn't have enough popular support. So could this.

[Jay]

He has popular support. I'm sorry for interrupting you, but, but I have, I have to set three facts straight. One, people who say that.

[Thoughtful]

Enough. I said enough. Enough popular support. So let me finish the question, then you can say what you want. What I was going to say is, is it possible that in the vacuum you could get a worse Ayatollah or somebody?

[Jay]

Jay, it is literally impossible for anything to go wronger than what was going wrong under the Ayatollah. There is nobody worse than the Ayatollah. So how does this killer. Isn't there, isn't there an entire app? The Praetorian Guard is irgc. The Praetorian Guard will flee the country the moment they don't get any money. This is not an icy situation. This is not a home grown Sunni based.

[Thoughtful]

Yeah, I understand.

[Jay]

You know, some, some kind of situation like that. This is the Praetorian Guard. The people have turned on them. These are not regulars, these are praetorians. And they will flee the country moment the people cut their money off. The second thing is no problem. No problem Iranians have faced during the past 50 years is because of American sanctions. 260 billion blessed dollars of our oil, of our toil was blocked in the US banks. And when they freed it, not a single dollar was seen by a single Iranian. The entire regime could have built up entire infrastructures in Iran. And, and they did nothing but to cultivate her in the entire area. So that's the first thing. And the second thing is there has been not a single dime, a single dime of Israel paid to any protester in Iran that I know of and I know thousands of these people. Okay, well, it's been completely homegrown. This has been completely homegrown. People have given.

[Thoughtful]

Oh, I don't know about all that. That's, that's, that's. Okay. All right, all right. Yeah, you. This isn't a Sermon here. You can't give a sermon.

[Jay]

So. Yeah, I wonder what this guy thinks is going to happen. They're just going to. All the Iranians are going to come together and skip into the sunset of some beautiful liberal. Like is it liberal paradise?

[Thoughtful]

Well, the idea that the CIA is not helping to fund this is preposterous. I mean this is the same model of the Operation Ajax. So this is ridiculous. Now, now I don't care.

[Jay]

They've been. The US has been openly saying that they're trying to do, you know, color revolution style regime.

[Dan Morgan]

I know.

[Jay]

And openly promoting this.

[Thoughtful]

And every time it was called the Green Revolution.

[Jay]

Rise up. Rise up, guys. And then what's, what's been happening? It seems like there haven't been enough people that have. That have actually.

[Thoughtful]

Right. So anything.

[Jay]

I mean, it's. What is this guy talking about?

[Thoughtful]

Yeah. So back in 2009, we had the Gene Sharp color revolution model right here. I'll show you guys on the screen. This is the Iranian Green Revolution. Obviously this is a Western CIA funded color revolution. All the color revolutions are essentially the Western Gene Sharp model of quote, democracy now. I think that Ahmedjad was crazy. I think he was a weird cult leader. I think that Shia Islam is crazy. I've talked to, debated with them, we've argued with Dr. Khalil, nice enough guy. But the religion is insane. It's a totally crazy religion and they do all kinds of crazy. It's a world hub for transitioning. Right. Tristana would know. He's been there. He tried to get a transition in, in, in. In Iran. It didn't work for him. He wasn't woman enough.

[Jay]

I'm a maga grifter now, man.

[Thoughtful]

Okay, you're a maga grifter now that

[Jay]

it's cool to be, to be anti woke. I'm, I'm the, you know, I'm the trendy anti woke. Former trend.

[Thoughtful]

Oh, he, he's just alerted me that he has unsubbed. Okay, good, goodbye. I'm glad that you don't know about the fact that the CIA want to

[Jay]

bring him back and have him lecture us for 30 more minutes about exactly what's happening in Iran.

[Thoughtful]

Oh, he's already unsubbed because I just showed him that the green revol. The color revolution the whole time now again. So he won't even take into account that. I agree that the Ayatollas are corrupt. But what I was going to say next was the Ayatollas have had deals with the West. They have had secret deals with Western intelligence going all the way back to the Cold War and deals with.

[Jay]

Isn't the US Good enough evidence that, you know, when you get rid of the old boss, you get the same old boss with a new boss?

[Thoughtful]

Yeah, well, again, that's what they do

[Jay]

in other countries as well.

[Thoughtful]

Right. They did the exact same thing where they try to then basically make a, an ally or a puppet out of the next guy. Right. So when the Shah didn't succeed, guess what the CIA and British intelligence did? They immediately made deals with ayatollahs. There you go.

[Jay]

Well, did you see, Jay, how the, you know, the new Ayatollah who was going to step up, they started saying that he had been killed, like very soon after it was announced, they started saying, oh, he's been killed by a rocket now. And then Elon Musk deleted his, his Twitter account. So we might see kind of a whack a mole. And, and the, the, the regime in the US has kind of already signaled that they're looking at maybe four more weeks or so of campaign. So I think maybe they've expected to just play whack a mole with all the new ayatollahs or whatever.

[Thoughtful]

The IGRC throws out British intelligence and the CIA installed the Ayatollah Kashani right here. And by the way, this is not just this declassified UK website. You can find this even on the Guardian. I've read this in probably five different big geopolitical texts. Whether it's Stephen Doral or whether it's Mark Curtis's book or Dreyfus. This is discussed by all these people. Oh, by the way, the Mossad also has had arms deals with the ayatollahs. So nobody tells you that, except for,

[Jay]

look at mom, Donnie getting in, in New York and then immediately switching to now we're going to raise taxes on everybody. So, like, people, if you look at the, you know, the lower level, the mayoral level in a city about how, how fast people switch, you can't see that that's having, happening on an international level. Yeah, well, it's funny what they, what happened over in Venezuela. It's, it's still unclear the long term ramifications, but it seems like they did effectively kind of get their, either through blackmail, threats or other, other ways. They kind of lubricated the situation before they went in there and took out. It took out Maduro and his vice president steps up and it's still the same regime. They've just signaled, okay, we're gonna do business with you, but now it's fine. So now that, now, now the, the Chavistas in Venezuela are okay because they're gonna give you the oil and you're gonna send it over to Israel. Sign me up. I heard I'm getting oil.

[Thoughtful]

Now I want to ask, I want to, I want to crowdsource my intelligence because I didn't fact check it through Candace, but because I know can't, because if Candace says it, she's got a source. She wouldn't say something without a source. This image is going around of Ariana de Rothschild wearing a bunch of Masonic garb. I could believe this is real. However, with AI, we just simply don't know. So does anyone know if this is actually a real image? I'm looking to see if anybody, you know, quote, fact checked it, but I don't really see anybody doing it. So. And the reason I'm bringing that up is because right before we were going to this live stream, Chase Geyser started replying to me that Masonry, because of course Chase formerly was infowar host, is defending his freemasonic positions that, that I disagree. I would not be a Mason if it was against Jesus Christ. Many of the people who write about this, like Albert pike, were arrogant, egotistical, otherwise it's a wholesome fraternity and he was a self righteous, incessant babbler. Well, the problem is that it's not just Albert pike, but pretty much any Masonic text that you read. I have a whole shelf of Masonic materials and books, whether it's Mackie McCoy or Manly P. Hall. Like they don't essentially say anything different about who Jesus was and denying the Trinity. So the fact that Chase Geyser himself says, well, I can be a Christian and be a Mason, that's different from whether Masonry as an institution is anti Christian because it's specific teaching about the generic theism, the generic deity is that you can believe in any God. Okay, well any God is not Jesus and not the Trinity. So that's a mutually exclusive position. That'd be like saying, well, yes, Marxism is an atheist movement, but I'm a Christian Marxist because I'm still a Christian in this atheist movement. It does, it doesn't make any sense. So no, you cannot be a Mason and be a Christian because the organization itself is committed to an anti Christian position across the board. It's not just Albert Pike. So I'm kind of surprised that that's the level of argumentation that Chase is taking. And I would add that that's not just me saying that when we were At Tim Cast we went down to Alexandria, Virginia and some of you may or may not know that Alexander, Virginia has a giant Masonic monument that is not the Washington Monument. This is in Alexandria, not in dc. You can see from this top of this thing though, you can see the Washington Monument. This thing is almost as tall or equally as tall as that. And it's got multiple levels and floors to it. It's called the Washington Masonic Monument. Let me pull it up. And we went and took a tour. Why did I do this? Is it because I'm secretly a Mason? No, I wanted to ask the Masonic historian tour guide a bunch of questions. Right. To get it from them themselves. Right. Masonic Memorial in Alexandria, Virginia. So here is the building. You can see it here. It's a kind of looks like a Mormon temple. It's literally the same architecture as the Mormon temple because of course Joseph Smith just copied and pasted all the Masonic stuff and many, many floors. It's massive, it's huge. It has an audience hall, it's got multiple Masonic lodges within it. Every floor is a giant kind of Masonic hall or museum. And as you can see here is Washington here. This is up towards the top of it. This is one of the lower level floors there. This is a painting mural celebrating St. John's Day, which is one of the Masonic holidays. Together with John the Evangelist. Together with John the Baptist. Now keep in mind they use all this biblical imagery and terminology to dupe dumb people to think that it's Christian and yet here we have a giant mural of Mecca. Anybody who's a Christian who has any sense that isn't an idiot like Cameron at at cucking Christianity or Trent Doherty or a Vatican II nostratate person knows that there's nothing about Mecca that's at all related to the biblical deity. It's total bull crap. And that yet you hit. You have it right here.

[Host/Interviewer]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Host/Interviewer]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Host/Interviewer]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently. It said 20 billion one. 20 billion is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger. As time goes on.

[Guest/Caller]

Awesome.

[Host/Interviewer]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan, what would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone.

[Thoughtful]

We are always open.

[Dan Morgan]

Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.

[Thoughtful]

Wow.

[Host/Interviewer]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

[Thoughtful]

They see the supreme deity as manifested in all the religions. Now how is that compatible with Christianity? Chase Geyser, I said when I toured the giant Masonic memorial, the explanation of the Masonic curator historian was that their philosophy is quote, a supreme deity. That is quote, generic theism. This is identical to Vatican II's generic theism. In fact, they even have a giant mural honoring the Kaaba in Mecca. So no, Chase, what you're saying is completely simply not true. And by the way, we're supposed to have a debate with Chase Geyser if it'll ever come to fruition about Masonry, but who knows if that'll ever actually happen. So I don't know. Anyway, any thoughts on Masonry and compatibility with Christianity? Esteemed panel, do you guys have any thoughts?

[Jay]

Only if it's quantum. Quantum.

[Thoughtful]

Quantum Masonry. Okay.

[Jay]

Yeah, that's the only.

[Thoughtful]

The next level of Masonry, quantum mesa.

[Jay]

Well, apparently what you're saying is that guy is saying that I don't have to believe in all of the guys who are the progenitors, the original guys in Masonry. I can just have my own masonry when they're not there. They're not the experts. I am. What's ironic about that is that those kind of experts, you read Albert Pike Morals and Dogma and it kind of outlines exactly how they dupe each layer of initiates and how by the end you're given a completely different paradigm than you are as an enter depressed apprentice and a master mason. So at least in the scotch, right? So it's giving you this. I'm not going to tell you the name but like the amount of crazy emails. Jay, you probably have never gotten crazy emails. So I'm talking to the rest of the panel, but anyways that I get to persuade. Hey Jamie, in this genre, I've never got crazy emails. I'm following you for many years since you are dealing with spiritual values. There you go. Spiritual values. I'd like to make you aware of the new science of gnosis and the universal law ul which I discovered in my private research institute in Munich in 1994. And which is the greatest discovery in the history of human science. Thus, the new gnosis of the Ul is scientifically irrevocable and renders the scientific proof of God, which God, for the first time in human history. You can visit my website where you can find 18 scientific books for free. There you go, guys. And more than 35,000 publications dealing with the aspects, all aspects, economics, science, economics, politics, history, philosophy, human gnosis, or if you want to know what will happen this year that will probably offset all current predictions of most agnostic experts in politics. You should start with this dude. I gotta learn this guy's marketing techniques.

[Thoughtful]

What are you reading? What is this?

[Jay]

Yeah, I'm in. I'm all in. Why haven't I published stuff like this? I'm sure Faith, if you want to break, if you want to know what's gonna happen, right, Just make it all like prophecy stuff and just add the word. All you have to do, add science, the word science in there. And by the way, that's why they actually added social science in there, was to legitimize that area because nobody took it seriously, right? Yeah. They wanted to legitimize Freud.

[Thoughtful]

Right.

[Jay]

And. And then also all of that critical theories stuff. New science. See the scam here, it's not just adding science to legitimize whatever crazy stuff he's coming up with, but new science.

[Thoughtful]

I want to note that isn't the.

[Jay]

Isn't the Chase Kaiser. Is he advocating, like, York, right. Masonry?

[Thoughtful]

It could be, but I want to show you guys first of all that. Go ahead. John is.

[Jay]

Remember John, the John Robison book, Proofs of a conspiracy?

[Thoughtful]

Yeah.

[Jay]

That was one of the first things that kind of hit me to this, like, split mindset with masons is that I was reading that book and then he's like, oh, no, York, right? Masonry is good. It's the Illuminati.

[Thoughtful]

Yes.

[Jay]

Masonry that's bad.

[Thoughtful]

Right?

[Jay]

And it's like. So there's always this. There's always going to be this, you know, alluding to that, like, oh, there was once this good freemasonry, but then God Masons took it over. Yes, but the. But the York, right. Masonry itself is still rooted in like, you know, a monad as well.

[Thoughtful]

Correct? Yeah. And just to show, first of all, the idea that they don't like Albert pike is not true. Albert pike is the bible of Scotch rite, Scottish rite Masonry. Here, you see? And you guys can screenshot that and read it later. I'm not going to read three page, three or four pages of this, but this is his chapter on Christianity. So let's see exactly what Albert pike and morals and dogma says the meaning of Christianity is. And you'll notice on those two pages he says, first of all, the Trinity is borrowed from the Greek philosophers. He says his view is actually the view of Plotinus and that the world is an eternally generated reality from the Monad. So it's Neoplatonic perennialism is Albert Pike's view. And he says the Holy Spirit is not a person, it's an impersonal force. So this is Masonry. This is their doctrine of God. This is. Believe it or not, Albert pike has a chapter on the Church Fathers. And this whole chapter is to say the real trinitarian doctrine, the real teaching of the mystical Jesus is Neoplatonism. So guess who has the exact same view as Albert Pike. Origin. Literally on that page, he basically says origin was correct. The Church Fathers got it wrong. Masonry, at least his Scottish right brand of it, teaches Neoplatonic emanations. There you go. So no, you cannot be a Freemason. And he's going to say, well, but I, I don't like Albert Pike. Well, okay, you're out of the minority then you're out of the, of scope of all the rest of accepted Scottish Rite Masonry and you're in some supposed blue York right or whatever. But why would I want to be part of Masonry when it's united with the Scottish right? There's just two dialectics of some. It's a, it's a way to do people that have an anti Christian or have a pro Christian way way of thinking to say, oh well, you could still be a Mason, just go with this track. Well, it's still anti Masonic because. Or anti Christian because Masonry is against throne and altar. Their degrees have stabbing, the, the, the, the papal tiara, the miter, the king. So it's to overthrow king and altar and establish democracy. The entire spiel that I got from the guy at the monument was religious systems create strife and division and Masonry creates unity and tolerance for all religions and all people in all faiths. And I'm like, okay, so you have. But you have to believe in a supreme deity. Yes, just any deity. Okay, so what if it's Satan? Oh well, that doesn't count. So it's just, it's a sales pitch for dumb people. And only dumb people would believe this. And with no, you know, know discernment or critical thinking like, well now wait a minute. Like, how am I going to be united with a Hindu dude who believes in, you know, burning his ex, you know, his wife or whatever. If he dies, the wife has to burn herself in immolation. So is that the same God as the, the, you know, God of Protestantism? It may be, but no. Masonry is a Judaic, Protestant, general theistic, esoteric society that ultimately is kind of atheistic or satanic. So you cannot and, and every historic Christian body has forbidden its members to be Masons, except for some of the Protestants who have had an affinity for Freemasonry. But Orthodoxy and Catholicism. You're forbidden to be a Freemason agent. What's up? And by the way, there are people saying in the chat, oh, he doesn't understand Masonry. Okay, well, come, come educate me. Me, Come hop on here and tell me where I'm wrong because I've got a whole stack of Masonic books.

[Jay]

Makes good men better. Just makes good men better. Come on.

[Thoughtful]

It's all so low tier, dude.

[Jay]

Mormons argue the same way.

[Thoughtful]

I know you've got it all wrong. That's not the. Well, Mormonism is Masonry. They're, they're basically the same. Yeah, you're right.

[Jay]

But you like it. But when you, when you actually talk to Masons, they won't even tell you what it is. They'll just say, they'll give you general, they'll give you slogans. That's all they have. By the way, I used to work with a bunch of Freemasons at a job I had. I think I, I know you guys know the story, but they asked me to be a Mason and I said no. And they said, actually, you know more about Masonry than we do. That's why we want you to be one. Then they were like, we want. You weren't asking.

[Thoughtful]

Well, when I was on the tour, I played Dom and I, I just sort of like what? Every now and then throw in a thing. Like, I remember saying, oh, interesting. Yes. Albert pike discusses the rough ashlar and it being made into a perfect stone. And he was like, well, how, how did you know that Albert pike said that? So I was like, I know a little bit about.

[Jay]

That's what we all learn in elementary school. Did you go to sixth grade history class? The Boomer Masons aren't even aware that like, Freemason stuff has been on the Internet for like 30 years.

[Thoughtful]

Right.

[Host/Interviewer]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Host/Interviewer]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are. And what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Host/Interviewer]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion one. 20 billion is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Thoughtful]

Awesome.

[Host/Interviewer]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an actual accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 24 7, 365.

[Thoughtful]

Wow.

[Host/Interviewer]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

[Thoughtful]

Right.

[Jay]

So do they still think it's like a secret?

[Thoughtful]

Yeah, Right now, that's how this guy was. He was like, how'd you know that? And then he started trying to describe, like, the two pillars. And I'm like, oh, you mean Jake and Boaz? And he's like, how did you know the two pillars were Jacob? Because I've read the Old Testament. Know what masonry borrows from Solomon's Temple. Right. So it's like, it's not that.

[Jay]

Do you guys think that. Do you guys think that the influence of Masonry, the prominence of freemasonry is declined over the last couple decades?

[Thoughtful]

Absolutely. In fact. In fact, the guy was talking about it. The guy was saying, we've had such a. A crisis in membership. People just don't want to join it. And we can't figure out why.

[Jay]

I feel like it's kind of been Rotary Club into. If people see it as just kind of boomer social club, cigar club.

[Thoughtful]

Correct. And when we went to the. The thing, there was no one else touring. Nobody was there, just us. Which was a little creepy too, by the way.

[Jay]

It definitely. It definitely has, I think. I think in certain areas. I mean, I only know about America, but in certain areas of the. In the country, it might still have, like, a little bit of a stronghold, but as far as, like, the stronghold that it had for the duration of the 20th century, it's definitely not up to what it used to be like, is the new Mason.

[Thoughtful]

Yeah. Well, congrats to people like Anthony Westgate, he, he dug up in the emails. Epstein was part of that. What was it called? The astrology. It was based around astrology, the something club. I just went blank on it. But apparently Epstein was a member of a secret society, something astrology related. Which is fascinating because when you go into the Masonic Temple and you tour all these different levels in the museum and they're all their symbolic stuff, they have a high, high key importance for astrology. They had multiple books on astrology. Now I don't, I'm not putting stock in astrology because I think what happens is the Masons are saying, oh, the ancient religions that look to the stars, the Chaldeans etc, that used the stars, the, the, the Sabians etc, as the Zodiac Club. Thank you. That was Epstein's secret society, was a part of. The Masons are basically just saying, oh, we're doing like they did, where they studied the stars and they had a chance, but they pretend that it is a religion. Right? And I think as you get higher in Masonry, they kind of tell you, look, it's kind of atheistic. We're just using the symbols, the religions to, you know, to basically manage humanity. That was what Masonry was supposed to be. And it was an intelligence structure and network for the British Empire especially. That's where it comes out of. Especially modern, you know, 1700 Grand Lodge, etc, that's British intelligence spy stuff. In fact, fact, if you watch man who Would Be King and when the guy was giving us the tour, I started bringing up Rudyard Kipling. He's like, oh brother Rudyard, he was one of our greatest members. I was like, oh yeah, like man who Would be King? Where they pretend that they are, you know, reincarnated. Sean Connery pretends that he's a reincarnation of Alexander the Great and they dupe this tribe as if he's the savior of their tribe. And he's like, yes. How did you know this? Like, well, I've again, I've read this stuff. I know about Rudyard Kipling, I know he's a Mason. But I'm wondering, is that how you view religion? That you're sort of the Sean Connery, Michael Caine, Dupers Delight guys who think that you can craft a religion, the craft whereby you dupe people into thinking that you have all these mysteries and it's really just a way to manage humankind, spy on them and have networks of control, essentially, is what I think it was. And anyway, that was a little too much for that guy because he was just like, look, we're not involved in conspiracies. There's. There's no conspiracies now. We might have had a hand in the American Revolution. I'm like, well, then that's being involved in conspiracy. That. Wouldn't that be. Well, maybe in that case, but not generally. Agent, what's up?

[Jay]

Hey, thanks for having me. It's okay. I don't want to bring the flow. If we can go back on Candace.

[Thoughtful]

Okay, sure.

[Jay]

Yeah. Just before that, I've been dubbing your. Some of your clips in French, because obviously in the Francophone world, we have absolutely no one like you guys talking. Oh, brother.

[Thoughtful]

You've been.

[Jay]

You've been putting me.

[Thoughtful]

You've been putting me stuff in the dubstep, man. You've been putting me lyrics and me fire bars into the dubstep, brother.

[Dan Morgan]

Oh, you mean.

[Thoughtful]

You mean dubbing?

[Jay]

At least you know some of your content, because obviously everyone is. Is not on your level. I mean, no one is even talking about the stuff you guys are talking about. So I just wanted to ask if it's okay to take some of your videos on your channel to dub them in French.

[Thoughtful]

Absolutely, yes. Everybody should clip. I tell people.

[Jay]

Admittedly, working with frankists.

[Thoughtful]

There we go. I'm working with the French Foreign Legion. Candace would say, that guy was a French Foreign Legion

[Jay]

frankus. This is insane.

[Thoughtful]

Insane exposed right there. Foreign Legion assassins. I'll tell you, the only Foreign Legion person that I would work with. I think you guys know who I'm gonna say. In fact, it's one of his best movies. And by the way, this is an overlooked Van Damme classic. If you watch this movie, you'll actually be surprised. It's actually a really good movie. One of Van Damme's last great projects was the Legionnaire. And so every time I hear Queen Candace talking about this, I'm over. I cannot type, dude. I'm over here thinking about my boy Jean Claude over here. 1998. Your boy Jean Claude. VD right there, the legionnaire. He's forced into joining the French Foreign Legion. And it's actually a really good movie. So if you're looking for a forgotten Van Damme, I recommend it. It's Motor. What's up? Go ahead. Oh, dude. Getting fancy over here. Speaking damn Latin. And what's up? It's Motor. I'm you.

[Jay]

Hey, man, you kind of pulled some stitches on me the other day. Dyer.

[Dan Morgan]

What?

[Jay]

The whole dispensationalism. All right? And I'm sorry if it's off topic.

[Thoughtful]

No, you can talk about anything.

[Jay]

12 months.

[Thoughtful]

Okay.

[Jay]

I had to explain dispensationalism to somebody. It was what I was taught. While I don't have a lot of shake for religion, that kind of, you know, I mean, it plugged all the holes theology wise. I mean, can you maybe expand more if it's just a Cliff Notes of

[Thoughtful]

how, how.

[Jay]

What would be another way to look at, you know, the whole paradigm? Because, I mean, I. I know we're not an accident.

[Host/Interviewer]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Host/Interviewer]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is a America's largest injury law firm.

[Host/Interviewer]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion one. 20 billion is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Thoughtful]

Awesome.

[Host/Interviewer]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an actual accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone.

[Thoughtful]

We are always open.

[Dan Morgan]

Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 24 7. 365.

[Jay]

Wow.

[Host/Interviewer]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

[Jay]

You know, we don't accidentally become humans. And it's perfect of an equip, you know, piece of nature, whatever that we are. But yeah, man, if you could kind of give me some, like, idea where to look as well as to people I might read because that's.

[Thoughtful]

Hold on. Can you just state what the question is? Because I'm confused as to what the question is.

[Jay]

All right, so in explaining God's drastic difference between how he has treated humanity as a whole in theology. All right, dispensationalism, Old Testament was God the Father, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and part of Acts as God the Son.

[Thoughtful]

No.

[Jay]

And then.

[Thoughtful]

No, that's Martian. That's Marcianism.

[Jay]

She's confused. Am I? Okay.

[Thoughtful]

Hey, look, appreciate. It's okay. Thank you for your question. Dispensationalism is the idea that, that God had different plans for different people at different time periods. Right. So there's like an Adamic period based on the, the, the, the decision that Adam and Eve would make. Then it's the period of Noah and Abraham. And then. So it's not covenant theology. It's that God is changing the plans and doing different things with different groups. So there's a dual covenant theology, a dual track where there's a promise to the Israelites in Genesis 12 that can never be revoked. That's always about the land and it Israel. Right. You heard this from Huckabee. Huckabee was exemplifying this in the Tucker debate. And he was like the children of Abraham. Abraham always have that promise from Genesis 12, 15, 17. It's like Galatians 3 says that promise is to Christians baptized into Christ. So no, the answer is it's not always to the genetic descendants. And Tucker did a great job in that debate of showing the absurdity of everything that, that Huckabee tried to use as a justification. So that's dispensationalism. And it also has a pretty elaborate end times theology of the rapture and the millennium and all that, the restoration of animal sacrifices. However, marcionism is the idea that there's different deities involved in different time periods or that the Old Testament God was the era of an evil mean God. And then Jesus came as this, this nice God of love, and he overthrows the mean God of the Old Testament. That's the Marcionite view. And all of those are incorrect. Now this guy's going crazy with super chats. He seems to be bothered by something, so let's see what his problem is. I thank you for sending me all this money, but let's see what your issue is here with all these super chats. So he says jailbots.com I'm ready to debate. I'm in the spaces. Okay. Who are you? Where are you? I don't see anybody called jail bots. You. You sent me like a hundred dollars, so you're welcome to come up and debate. Jail bots. $20. I will go on camera to prove I'm in Russia. Oh, is this RF this is that same guy. You do not want to engage in Candace's claims. No, this is a different guy. I know. I'm ready to engage in Candace's claims right now. What are you talking about? I didn't make the claims. Candace did. Tristan said look it up. It's hilarious. They are low iq. You're calling her low iq? Okay, is this the other guy? I think this is the other Guy Jailbot says I will go on camera to prove I'm in Russia. Jay, stop running. Discuss the 50 takeover. Department of Defense, human feud going on. I have no idea what you're talking about,

[Jay]

bro.

[Thoughtful]

You just picked the Jew military industrial complex simp for your eo, bro. Dude, you sound skitso. I have no idea what you're talking about. You didn't even research title 10 versus 50 struggles beforehand. You gotta I. I've been reading this stuff for 26 years. The fact that you found some conspiracy website with some nonsense doesn't tell me anything. Ask Metropolitan Jonah about me. I am on the board of St. Demetrios. About what? I have no idea what you're even talking about.

[Jay]

About.

[Thoughtful]

I disagree with Jay and he blocked me. I don't know who you are. I'm sending you money from Russia. The guy.

[Jay]

It's the guy that was in here talking to us, man. The guy that was. That was saying just trust me is Candace has all the evidence of the Egyptian Pl gangstalking. Charlie.

[Thoughtful]

Kurt. Okay, I'm not interested in any more engagement. So have fun with whatever you're.

[Jay]

One thing about the dispensationalist rapture thing you were talking about so the entire 20. The end of the 20th century, in the 21st century that we're now living through. If anybody is interested in this, you need to go look up a little book called the Late Great Planet Earth by How, Lindsay. Because that is the model model that the powers that they are running on. I'm not saying that that's a true world view. I'm saying that that's what they think is manifesting into reality and then they themselves are helping to manifest it in reality. And how Lindsay, with his goofy book that he wrote in 1973 based off of weird dispensationalist eschatology, literally briefed the Pentagon and Ronald Reagan and multiple people in the military and has created a ripple effect that is now affecting our world currently. It has trickled down. And literally the reason you have Calvary Chapel pastors that are all, you know, former military or formal CI, former CIA, is because of that book. And those are the people who are guiding this, you know, current worldview. Okay, so we were talking about that 10 years ago.

[Thoughtful]

Okay, so is this the guy that was thoughtful that claimed he was in Russia? The first guy. But he's got a different handle over here. So, I mean, confused as to who's who thoughtful. If you want to tell me your handle and you want to come back and if you want to have a debate, that's fine. But you're going to sit here and call us low IQ when we're using the exact same argument to illustrate why it's not a good argument. Don't come in here and calling us low IQ and then get mad that I booted you. You called us low iq, we're not low iq. So you're just falling into emotionalism and if you want to come back in. When he read them in a row, they sounded worse than when it happened. Okay, again, dude, we don't know what you're talking about. You're spurging out about random ass military industrial complex documents. And let's go one at a time. I'm happy to address and debate every single topic one at a time. So jailbots, you give me your handle. It was thoughtful something. And I will unblock you because I can't. Why was he booted? Because he's just spamming nonsense. I have no idea what he's talking about. You didn't read this document and you have low iq. Dude, we're not low like you. And the fact that you know Metropolitan Jonah, I don't care about that. What is that supposed to prove to me? A lot of people know about Metropolitan Jonah. So what it's like. You don't have to give me your cred, your street cred. Just come make coherent arguments. Okay, I'm glad that you want to support. But why are you going to say you're going to support me and then you're going to call us all low iq? I mean, you got clergy here too. It's not just me, it's also intelligent people have been studying this stuff for

[Jay]

20 years with 170 IQ.

[Thoughtful]

I heard that. I heard that you had 6 million IQ. 6 gorillion IQ.

[Jay]

What's the Chinese guy that runs around?

[Thoughtful]

Yeah, that guy. By the way, I think people pointed out that he was a. He owns the website that. Okay. Thoughtful. Yeah, thoughtful. I am unmuting you so you can come back here. And by the way, okay, you're unmuted. So come, come explain to us what we're supposed to do. You understand if Candace is a clock, a broken clock, right? Twice a day. That's not good enough to be a source for this type of information. I don't understand why you would find take issue with that. And when I said that, you tried to walk it back. Well, okay, maybe she's not. The debate is whether she's credible. Okay, well, brother Nathaniel's not credible and he Raises legitimate questions at times. Does that mean I should listen to brother Nathaniel? Because he's absolutely insane. So thoughtful. You are unblocked. Come back and convince us of why we're supposed to listen to Candace. And your argument about the Egyptian planes, it didn't prove anything. What is the Egyptian plane supposed to prove? You, you just argue. Go ahead.

[Jay]

Just going back to what he was saying, if I remember correctly. First he said, well, you guys shouldn't just brush aside Candace. I think she basically was saying that she does a lot of good. You know, the, the, the benefits outweigh the, the negative aspects. And then he said, he brought up Alex Jones.

[Thoughtful]

Right.

[Jay]

So I think part of his thing is he, he might have a little bit of a grudge against Alex, I think. Yeah, sounds like that was, that was part of his line of reasoning was, well, then we got a Alex Jones. Then we have to disregard everything Alex Jones said because he's been wrong about this, this or this. I, I think it really comes down more to just he kind of personally enjoys Candace. And look, it's fine if you enjoy her. That's like I will I give you permission to enjoy Candace. We're just like we're giving our opinions. We don't think this is a valid, you know, we think that it's, it's somewhat even. I think it's somewhat dangerous kind of what she's doing. I think she's making a little weird cult all around her, her thing. And I think it's, I think it's silly, but I mean I got friends who listen to cancer Candace. I don't dislike. My friends listen to Candace. So don't take it personal. I get it. I know you don't dislike.

[Thoughtful]

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