Pt 2 Candace Goes FULL DAVID ICKE: Counter Intel, UFOs, CIA "Looking Glass" & Pure Baloney

Summary

Jay'sAnalysis Podcast Summary

Host: Jay Dyer
Guests: Father Deacon Anais, others (callers, chat participants)
Episode: Pt 2 Candace Goes FULL DAVID ICKE: Counter Intel, UFOs, CIA "Looking Glass" & Pure Baloney
Date: January 19, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode critically examines recent trends among online conspiracy personalities—particularly "Candace"—and their embrace of outlandish claims reminiscent of David Icke. Jay Dyer, joined by Father Deacon Anais and others, unpacks topics such as counter-intel narratives, UFOs, the "Mandela Effect," CIA's "Looking Glass," and the wider phenomenon of uncritical belief in sensational conspiracies. The discussion is sharp, irreverent, and skeptical, with Jay repeatedly contrasting genuine investigation with gullibility and the dangers of prelest (self-delusion).

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Lizard People, Stargates, and the Appeal of Sensationalism

• [01:06] Father Deacon Anais critiques how, for some, the most far-fetched explanation (lizard people, ice walls, portals, etc.) becomes the immediate assumption, bypassing more mundane but probable answers.
  • “What's interesting about their mind is that's the first thing they go to, right? Farthest out conclusion is the first thing that comes. I'm not really sure. I've never kind of figured out why that's the case other than it makes it interesting. Probably the obvious conclusion is not very interesting.” – Father Deacon Anais [01:06]

2. Prelest and the Deceptive Nature of Mystical Experience

• [02:16]–[05:08] Jay asks for a recap on "prelest," which Anais explains is self-delusion, frequently exploited in religious and psychedelic contexts.
  • “Demons masquerade as angels of light and they're the most brilliant con artists.” – Father Deacon Anais [02:31]
  • Jay and Anais connect this to the appeal of psychedelic experiences, which deliver compelling but possibly deceptive subjective experiences.

3. The Dangers of Uncritical Groupthink

• [06:29]–[08:12] Jay and Anais discuss how people’s critical thinking shuts down when their personal issues or obsessions are validated by an authority figure, referencing “Candace apologetics.”
  • “As soon as you call out the tiny hats, everybody's critical thinking, like, just shuts off.” – Father Deacon Anais [06:40]
  • Applies this psychological vulnerability to Candace's audience and other conspiracy circles.

4. David Icke, Gnosticism, and New Age Nonsense

• [08:34]–[17:17] Jay plays and critiques David Icke interviews (including the famous Wogan tracksuit segment), showing the mixture of Gnosticism, perennialism, and esoteric ideas in Icke’s claims—especially those influenced by psychedelics.
  • “So Gnostic, right there.” – Jay [12:02]
  • “There’s 12,000 years of spiritual battle… Jesus is just one of the many messengers. This is classic new age bull crap.” – Jay [12:45]
  • Notable moment: Icke claims to be “an aspect of the soul of the Godhead incarnate” [17:06].

5. Mandela Effect and Simulation Conspiracies

• [27:02]–[32:18] Jay reacts to Candace’s embrace of Mandela effect claims and simulation theory, calling it “best retard conspiracy” and highlighting the lack of rigor in such beliefs.
  • “She went full Mandela effect, okay? Best retard conspiracy and that's immediately where she went.” – Jay [27:39]

6. Project Looking Glass, CIA, and Timeline Convergence

• [32:53]–[42:26] Candace discusses Project Looking Glass, connecting it to “convergence” at 2012, simulation theory, and supposed CIA/Sumerian technology. Jay debunks these as recycled Project Camelot/Coast to Coast tropes.
  • “She believes a Project Camelot... Okay, let’s show you some more interviews from Project Camelot so that you understand what I’m talking about here. Project Camelot—25 years of UFO secrets and whistleblowers…” – Jay [40:15]
  • Jay illustrates this is not evidence, but entertainment for credulous audiences.

7. Matrix Gnosticism and Patterns of Escapism

• [44:30]–[46:59] Jay critiques Candace's use of The Matrix as a reference, exposing its Gnostic roots and mocking the over-reliance on feelings/vibes instead of evidence.
  • “How does it feel? What are the vibes? What's my intuition?” – Jay [44:37]
  • “Now we're full schizo with Gematria nonsense. And just like Jim Bob said, this is one step away from Gematria schizo scammer online nonsense.” – Jay [44:58]

8. CERN Ritual Prank and Ritual Paranoia

• [58:28]–[64:36] Candace claims the infamous “CERN ritual” video is real. Jay debunks it as a prank, mocking the credulity required to believe it’s a genuine occult sacrifice.
  • “It's obviously a prank. They're wearing their freakin' tennis shoes. The guy filming it is wearing the cloak too…” – Jay [61:52]

9. Escalation into Full-On Paranoia

• [64:36]–[67:19] Jay highlights Candace’s belief that a Daily Wire parody about “Egyptian Air” was a coded assassination threat, comparing this behavior to “targeted individual” gang-stalking delusions.
  • “So they've colored the letters there on the text for watched, followed, we will follow. See, that's schizo level stuff. The satire video was a coded message to her because it said, watched and followed. She's being watched and followed. You can't make this up.” – Jay [64:36]
  • “There we go. Now we’re targeted. Individual gang stalking. Land full skitso.” – Jay [66:32]

10. On the Nature of Psy-ops, Fake Conspiracies, and Discernment

• [55:12]–[57:22] Guest calls in to discuss “psy-ops within psy-ops” and the hyperbolic, soap-opera style of low-quality conspiracy content.
  • “A lot of times I'm like, yeah, he's gonna bust out a lot of truth because the face of truth is always painted as schizo... Now there is going to be true schizo too… I look at these things, it's kind of up my alley. So that's why I wanted to get in here, because I pay attention to psyops within psyops.” – Guest [55:36]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Prelest (self-delusion): “If you can masquerade as an angel light and make somebody get a qualitative experience of… oh, you're having a religious experience. God, that's extremely deceiving. And that's always been my critique of psychedelics.” – Father Deacon Anais [03:35]
• On David Icke: “It's a common occurrence in psychedelics. Develop a God complex, which is narcissism. And anybody outside of that experience should see that, like, that's totally diluted, and the person thinks they're God.” – Father Deacon Anais [06:07]
• On the Matrix and Gnosticism: “Any basically catechized Roman Catholic traditionalist would know that the Matrix is Gnostic... So why does she not at least say, look, you know, the Matrix was an interesting, insightful film, but it's totally Gnostic.” – Jay [43:55]
• On Conspiracy Content: “You guys told me that I needed to watch the full show because it actually makes sense. No, you're idiots. You're dumb. Project was shut down because there was a problem. When we approached 2012, the timelines converge.” – Jay [32:53]
• On Paranoia in Conspiracy Culture: “Now we're targeted. Individual gang stalking. Land full skitso.” – Jay [66:32]
• On Low-Quality Conspiracism: “It's not the guy who reads the 500 page channel. The 500 page books. No, I'm the grifter that reads the 500, 1000 page, the 1300 page, 700 page books. Yeah, I'm the grifter. And the woman who just spouts the time travel is the truth teller.” – Jay [71:26]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Topic / Segment | |-----------|---| | 01:06 | Father Deacon Anais on sensational, extreme conclusions | | 02:16 | Explaining "prelest" (self-delusion) | | 06:29 | Groupthink, Candace apologists, and psychological vulnerability | | 08:34 | David Icke’s Gnostic claims—played and analyzed | | 12:02 | Host calls out Gnosticism and new age nonsense | | 27:02 | Mandela Effect, simulation theory, and critique | | 32:53 | Project Looking Glass, 2012 timeline convergence | | 42:26 | Debunking Project Camelot and its "whistleblowers" | | 44:37 | Jay on Matrix Gnosticism, feel-based “evidence” | | 44:58 | Critique of numbers/“Gematria” conspiracies | | 58:28 | Debunking CERN ritual conspiracy | | 64:36 | Paranoia analysis: “coded messages” and gang-stalking | | 55:12 | Caller insights: psy-ops within psy-ops | | 70:34 | The necessity of struggle and virtue—theodicy addressed |

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Flow and Tone

• Language: Frank, irreverent, critical, often sarcastic; original speaker tone preserved.
• Approach: Jay and guests use humor, rapid fact-checking, and references to pop culture and theology to scrutinize the credulity of conspiracy audiences. The podcast oscillates between laughter, bewilderment, and serious critique of the psychological, spiritual, and social roots of mass delusion.
• Attitude: No patience for “slow boys” (uncritical thinkers) or attempts to defend “full schizo” narratives in the name of “truth”.

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Summary for Non-Listeners

This episode of Jay’sAnalysis is a deep-dive into the deteriorating state of online conspiracy culture, emphasizing how a mix of psychological vulnerability, lack of discernment, and addiction to outlandish stories leads people from legitimate skepticism into the arms of sheer delusion (Gnosticism, Mandela Effect, Looking Glass, etc.). Jay Dyer and Father Deacon Anais outline the spiritual and cognitive pitfalls of this mindset, using David Icke and Candace as paradigms of where “full retard mode” leads. The show is equal parts case study, cautionary tale, and cathartic roast of modern conspiracism gone awry.

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Recommended for:
Anyone concerned with the distinction between critical inquiry and credulous delusion in the world of online conspiracies, and those wanting a spirited examination of why “just asking questions” sometimes leads to schizo-level fantasy.

Transcript

[Jay]

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[Guest 1]

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[Jay]

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[Guest 1]

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[Jay]

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[Guest 1]

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[Jay]

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[Father Deacon Anais]

If we were going through and let's say we're doing a process of elimination. Okay, that's not it. I investigated that. I investigated this. That can't be it. And you finally get to that. It actually is lizard people. And there's an ice wall. You might adopt that. But what's interesting about their mind is that's the first thing they go to, right? Farthest out conclusion is the first thing that comes. I'm not really sure. I've never kind of figured out why that's the case other than it makes it interesting. Probably the obvious conclusion is not very interesting. But if it's like, well, look, it's a Stargate portal with a quantum C foam machine that is actually digitally replicating Charlie Kirk and every possible universe you see, doesn't that kind of make it interesting? And then you're the one that's cracked it. I'm seeing that with Candace.

[Jay]

Yeah, well, there's not humility and there's no checks and balances on the mystical experiences. Like, could you. I know you've done it many times, but we have a lot of new people today and there's a pretty large audience. Could you explain what pre lust is and why it's a problem?

[Father Deacon Anais]

So pre last is just, generally speaking, self delusion. But typically we use that term in terms of religion, in which I was just talking with the catechesis class that nobody's ever going to fall for something that is just Patently false. If I told you this is poison, if you drink it, you're gonna die an excruciating death. Nobody's gonna fall for that. So you've gotta, you've got to sell it, right? You got a pitch, you got to make the false seem true. Correct. So demons do this. They masquerade as angels of light and they're the most brilliant con artist and they're sending messages.

[Jay]

And if you, if you read screwtape letters, I mean, that's kind of what screwtape's involved in. He's trying to deceive, right? His, his person, his assigned person with all these different forms of con artistry.

[Father Deacon Anais]

Yes. And so I mean, if you can masquerade as an angel light and make somebody get a qualitative experience of, oh, you're having a religious experience.

[Jay]

Right.

[Father Deacon Anais]

God, that's extremely deceiving. And that's always been my critique of psychedelics, is that in psychedelics there is not a logic. It's not like you work through an epistemic or logical problem and conclude to what does it present? It presents a qualitativeness, right? Is you're being revealed something and it feels more real than what your reality was. And I think demons are really good at that. And feelings are really powerful.

[Jay]

Yeah, exactly.

[Father Deacon Anais]

If you, it's like it's actually a drug. So demons can drug you and give you a dopamine hit of a qualitative like experience in which they give a message. And once you see that, you go, well, obviously I'm having, obviously this must be the truth, because it feels that way to me. And that's prelist in many different aspects, in many different degrees, it will present itself as a genuine religious experience of various degrees in which you are getting the truth. But there's no, there's no logic behind.

[Jay]

It and there's no checks and balances.

[Father Deacon Anais]

It's just sort of checks and balances. And this is why in orthodoxy, contra other systems and religions, we doubt all of our thoughts. That's our starting point, is that if I'm having a thought, it's probably demonic. So our checks and balances is to take it to our mentors, which are our spiritual fathers. It's engaged in the life of the Church and checks and balances with the fathers and the theology and the ethos of the Church all speaking in one accord. And when you check it like that, you can basically figure out like this doesn't match. Let's take a perfect example of near.

[Jay]

Death experiences, by the way, I'VE got a perfect example pulled up, which is the old David Icke interview where he talks about when he did ayahuasca or something, and he came to realize that he was the Messiah, I think is what he says in this clip.

[Father Deacon Anais]

Yeah, well, you know what? That's a common actually occurrence in psychedelics. Develop a God complex, which is a narcissism. I mean, so. And anybody outside of that experience should see that. That, like, that's totally diluted and the person thinks they're gone. Like, I mean, how much.

[Jay]

And remember, even if they say something true, like, that doesn't. That doesn't legitimate the. The outlandish claims. You can be deluded and say something. Correct. Right.

[Father Deacon Anais]

I think that's part of the power of Candace, too. I'm thinking all the, the Candace apologists, as soon as you call out the tiny hats, everybody's critical thinking, like, just shuts off.

[Jay]

Yeah, well, we saw this with, with Nathaniel. With Nathaniel Kapner. Right. He could say the craziest stuff, but, oh, well, he's right because he calls.

[Father Deacon Anais]

Out Zionism like, this is not your guy. Yeah, but he's calling out the tribe. I'm like, he's not your. I'm like, no discernment. So I remember actually learning this in the first, like, apologetics group that I was actually in when I was, like, 18, and they were talking about Greg and Gretchen, Bob Pantino were talking about we're most vulnerable and gullible about the.

[Guest 1]

Things.

[Father Deacon Anais]

That we worry about the most. So if you're overweight, what's the easiest thing to get fooled with a con about a pill that will make you lose weight real fast.

[Jay]

Right.

[Father Deacon Anais]

So if you're obsessed about the tiny hats, like, you're vulnerable, you better watch it. You'll fall for anything. Anybody that comes up and be like, oh, yeah, yeah, I'm. And I think that's what's going on with, like, with this madness. It's just like, people are just absolutely insane defending this. What she's saying is because. Because of that exact thing that I'm talking about.

[Jay]

All right, we'll go to the guy waiting. Hold on just a second, Jay. But let's get an example of this. I think this is the right clip because I remember the old David Ike clips when he first was sort of had his revelation and was putting his message out on British tv. And in one of the clips, I'm pretty sure he claims that he's the Messiah, but even if he doesn't, it's still. It' total Delusion will crumble and that.

[Guest 1]

Londonderry will be engulfed by a tidal wave. He has been ridiculed by the media, but he is still convinced that his message can heal the world. At the moment, he's on a speaking tour of Britain and he's with us tonight. Would you please welcome David Icke. Thank you. Thanks, Jerry. Now, David. Well, first of all, John. Yes. First of all, out of the corner of my eye, I could see you going like this. I've never claimed to be the reincarnation of Jesus or anything of the kind. I've written five books in the last three years challenging the whole idea of cults and gurus. And.

[Jay]

Okay, I'm looking for the original interview where he's wearing the tracksuit because he does claim something really wild. I'm trying to. That's the one that's really smart.

[Father Deacon Anais]

If you're gonna claim to be a groove, then actually tell people and criticize. I never claim to be a guru. And gurus.

[Jay]

Yeah, right. That's.

[Father Deacon Anais]

It's actually a really smart move, isn't it?

[Jay]

Okay, here it is. It's the David Wogan interview. This is it. Where he's going to try to than mere ecological disaster.

[Guest 1]

According to his book the Truth Vibrations, the world as we know it is about to end. David Icke.

[Jay]

So notice it begins with eschatology. End time, sensationalism.

[Guest 1]

Certainly going to end.

[Father Deacon Anais]

Yeah, I would say current. A common thing among them all is Gnosticism and esotericism.

[Jay]

Yeah, well, that's David Icke. Absolutely. And Candace is moving in the Gnostic direction too.

[Guest 1]

Yeah, but the Earth is going to go through a series of geological changes that are necessary to make sure it doesn't end. That's the point. Yeah. Did I see you say that turquoise is the color?

[Jay]

What's turquoise going to do?

[Guest 1]

Well, there is an energy that comes from a being called the Godhead, which is. I mean, we talk about God. The Godhead is not a guy with a beard sitting on a cloud. It is a massive spirit, the basis of all creation. And coming out from this Godhead, round all creation, through all the stars, through all the planets and everything else, is the life force known as the light. I mean, the Bible refers.

[Jay]

So the life force and the light of the God spirit is turquoise to the light.

[Guest 1]

And within this light are various other energies which have certain gifts. And these other energies have a frequency that is the same as all the colors. And turquoise actually is the same frequency as an energy called love and wisdom. Therefore, when you wear that color, you Attract it.

[Jay]

So it's turquoise is love and wisdom. So God's energies have colors.

[Father Deacon Anais]

Where did you hear that from?

[Guest 1]

Where? Black. You attract a color that is the opposite to love and all the things we wish to bring to the earth. Another kind of energy which.

[Jay]

Yeah, wouldn't that make God racist? Because he created, you know, dark skinned people. So they're.

[Guest 1]

Yeah, which is very. But this is very hard. This is very hard on priests and nuns, isn't it? Well, Maybe that's a sign that maybe all the truth is not in the hands of the traditional church that has been with us over all these thousands.

[Jay]

So Gnostic, right there.

[Guest 1]

Well now let me get the story right. The press claim that you claim to be the son of God, is that true? Yes. You see, the thing is that it's quite funny really. You know, 2,000 years ago had a guy called Jesus sat here and said these same things, you would still be laughing. It's really, really funny that we've not really moved on that much.

[Jay]

Of course, Jesus doesn't say anything like this. So that's total nonsense.

[Guest 1]

There have been many missions, if you like, over the last 12,000 years to try to free the earth from control by a force that is working against the Godhead.

[Jay]

So Gnosticism, there's 12,000 years of spiritual battle that avatars of the Godhead. Jesus is just one of the many messengers. This is a classic new age bull crap.

[Guest 1]

The Godhead is the basis of all love.

[Jay]

Yeah, perennialism, Gnosticism. Exactly.

[Guest 1]

And wisdom and all the rest of it in the whole of creation. But there is another being. The Bible refers to it as Satan. The real name is Lucifer, who is trying to take over creation. And because of the very important part this particular planet plays in the whole, actually destroying this planet would be a major step forward in that direction. Therefore, for the last 12,000 years, the influence on this planet has been from this being and from the energy which he sends out.

[Jay]

This also sounds like Blavatsky and Theosophy too with these cycles of twelve thousands of years. So he's probably reading ISIS Unveiled and Blavatsky stuff.

[Guest 1]

It's an energy that stimulates people to think in a certain way. So we hate, we are aggressive, we have no forgiveness, we have no tolerance.

[Jay]

And notice that it's partially true. Right. There is this evil demonic force, Satan, which has a demonic energy that does motivate and tempt people to hate people. Right. But it's mixed in with all this Gnostic nonsense when, and I ask the.

[Guest 1]

Audience this, when you survey the world today. You know, when a child dies in this world of preventable disease every two seconds. When the economic system of the world must destroy the earth simply for that system to survive. When you see all the wars and when you see all the pain and when you see all the suffering, is it a force of love and wisdom and tolerance that is in control of this planet? Or is it a force that wishes to bring about the very hate, the very aggression, the very suffering? Because the key thing to get over Terry, is this. When we think it is not a vacuum. When we think we create an energy field. This is how telepathy works. An energy field leaves one being and other beings can tune into it and read that thought.

[Jay]

I'm going to skip ahead because I want to get to the part where he talks about his ayahuasca trip at 38. Well.

[Guest 1]

I think the word is gobsmacked. But again, you know, the best way of removing negativity is to laugh and be joyous. I'm delighted that there's so much laughter in the audience tonight, but no, that's it. But just let, just let me, just let me say this. They're laughing at you. They're not laughing with you. Fine. I didn't mean that to be hurtful. I don't want you to misinterpret it. They're not laughing in sympathy be with you. No. Let me say two things to that. First of all, if anyone believes after 12,000 years of this truth being lost.

[Jay]

And forgotten, so for 12,000 years, the great secret message has been lost. It was forgotten. And David Ike has recovered it. And how did he recover it? Well, it turns out it was a Peru. We're going to find out where he went.

[Guest 1]

I forget where that coming out with it initially is going to get any kind of reaction other than that one or condemnation, then I would be a crackpot if I thought that was the case. The other thing is there is this great illusion, you know, that Jesus was born and stood up and said, I know who I am. It was revealed to him in stages. He was very, very close to beginning the mission, which is described in the.

[Jay]

Bible, but not so he is literally saying he's kind of a new, better version of Jesus because Jesus was kind of getting close. It's a form of adoptionism, that he learned his own divinity, that he was the son of God. But the, the mission didn't really work.

[Guest 1]

This is where he's going describe brilliantly accurately before he knew who he was and when he came out Terry and said, I am the Son of God. I am an aspect of the soul of the Godhead incarnate.

[Jay]

Yeah. Jesus didn't say I'm an aspect of the soul of God incarnate.

[Guest 1]

Because of things that need to be done on this planet urgently, people laughed, people ridiculed, and in the end, so.

[Jay]

He'S like Christ, the same type of lost, secret Gnostic message. And he's only being laughed at because it's too spiritual for the, you know, fleshly minded profane to understand.

[Guest 1]

And, you know, they crucified him because the intolerance on the planet at that time was so great that if someone else in the traditional church says we have one life and we are judged on that one life on earth by a judgmental God, on whether we go to heaven or hell forever, we are judged, some of us, on 90 years and some on a life that lasts a few minutes before babies die after being born. Some are judged on having perfect physical bodies and being millionaires.

[Jay]

What? Some are judged on being millionaires with perfect bodies. I don't know what that's talking about. I want to get to the drug boards.

[Guest 1]

You've told us that there are going to be earthquakes all and some of.

[Jay]

Them going to happen quite soon.

[Guest 1]

Yeah, well, two things to that. First of all, why me? Well, why anybody? I mean, people would have said to you Jesus and many other people like Jesus that have not.

[Jay]

So he's again, he's like Christ. People don't believe him. He's the, you know, prophet, the Cassandra's curse.

[Guest 1]

You're also part of many other people's.

[Jay]

Lives on the way through, as we.

[Guest 1]

All have been many. We've all been on this earth and incarnated into different physical bodies many times.

[Jay]

So reincarnation, again, Gnostic nonsense, not anything close to what's accurate incarnation.

[Guest 1]

But the, the other, the other point you bring up about the predictions. Yes. If I am given information from beings who have proved to be perfectly accurate day after day after day and things they've told.

[Jay]

So did David Ike's cataclysm predictions come true? No. So there's number one sign of a false prophet right there.

[Guest 1]

Those are going to happen and they happen. They told you Saddam Hussein was dead and he's. That's right. Yes, he is. Well, he. Well, I watched his birthday party on the television yesterday. All I can, All I can say to you is all that glitters in is not gold. Hang about and watch and wait. But I'll tell say two things to watch for and Let the alarm bells go. If they happen. One is if they suddenly announce he is dead now, therefore they don't have to explain the wait.

[Jay]

So he's saying somebody famous isn't dead.

[Guest 1]

His birthday party on the television on this earth and incarnated into different physical bodies, many times called reincarnation. But the, the other, the other point you bring up about the predictions. Yes. If I am given information from beings who have proved to be perfectly accurate.

[Jay]

First of all, how do we know that these beings are perfectly accurate? I mean, the devil can appear as an angel of light and be very deceptive. And even if the predictions are accurate, Paul says in Galatians 1, if it's a different gospel, it's a false gospel.

[Guest 1]

After day after day, and things they've told us are going to happen, and they happen. They told you Saddam Hussein was dead and he's not. That's right. Yes, he is. Well, I watched his birthday party on the television yesterday.

[Jay]

Oh, he's saying Saddam Hussein was dead and was replaced. So that's another. So notice famous assassinations are part of his narrative all of a sudden, which again, has always been part of the David Icke narrative. Earthquakes.

[Guest 1]

Well, because of the nature of the way the Earth has been treated over a long period of time, a tremendous amount of energy has built up within the Earth that cannot get.

[Jay]

It's almost like we live in a ghetto world. You see, Candace's narrative is becoming more and more the David Icke narrative.

[Guest 1]

If it doesn't get out, bang. So this is going to be released in a controlled manner, as controlled as possible, through earthquakes, through volcanoes and such like. If they don't happen, this is not punishment. If they don't happen, there is no Earth because of the way the Earth's been treated. The Earth is also extremely, extremely weak.

[Jay]

And it's Gaia environmental nonsense.

[Guest 1]

The point that the Earth is at now, kind of erudite scientists program no one on this planet to believe a word of it. But why are you saying it then? Because the fundamental law of creation is that of free will. The past, David, we said the same thing. Nothing stand up and say, well, they're not happening.

[Jay]

I thought this was his. I want to hear the part where he talks about the Ayahuasca part. Because it's where he has his. His trip and he talks about the do. Is it where he talks about the Dogon tribe or whatever? Does anybody know what the interview is called? Where he talks about his revelation, where he. He saw the. Was it Peru? He went somewhere and he had a ayahuasca or something trip. Right. Does anybody remember which one? That. But I mean, right there, you know, what's the biblical. Oh, it might be this one here. Let's see if this is it, my friends.

[Guest 1]

Our next guest was a commentator. He was then. The things that. The world, the planet as we know it is destined to be destroyed in the near future. Unless we, all of us, all the peoples of the planet change their ways and get into line with the natural environment and start putting. You do claim to be the son of God, David. Yeah, let's get it right. We're all the children of God. We're all created by God. We're created by the thoughts of God. When. When we think, we create an energy field. When we think.

[Jay]

So he doesn't deny. But he thinks that there's many avatars. So he later said, no, I never said I was the son of God. Which is not true.

[Guest 1]

He did say it destroys the very life force of creation. Which comes from the being some call God. The name I'm given is the Godhead. Now, if we can by thought, what can the Godhead do? This master spirit. But some people come to Earth. Jesus was one. There were many more before him who are actually part of the soul of the Godhead. You and the Father are one. We're all one with the Father. No, there's God in that way. But are you special? No one's special. But have you been singled out? The message that comes across all the time is that the Godhead loves all of us. As if there was only one of us. No one is special. But there are certain people. All you really need.

[Jay]

Does anybody know the interview? It's all right. It does exist. He talks about his, you know, vision when he was on something in Peru. But I can't find the name. I don't know the name of that interview. I know it was with. I know it has to do with Credo Mudois and his. His shaman. But I'm looking for the specific interview section where he talks about seeing this stuff. Maybe it's this one. Let's see if this is.

[Guest 1]

Hello, and welcome to Africa, this enormous and astonishing continent. South Africa, to be more precise. Just a short drive outside Johannesburg. And I'm here to talk to a remarkable man, Credo Mutwa. When I first came to South Africa about 18 months ago. Within two or three days, I was introduced to Credo Mutual. I'd never heard of him at the time. But from the.

[Jay]

Why is he wearing dark colors? I mean, shouldn't he be wearing turquoise?

[Guest 1]

I met him. I didn't stop listening and he didn't stop talking for at least five hours. Within the first few minutes, I realized I wasn't just in the presence here of a man of great knowledge, and he's certainly that. I was in the presence of a genius, a unique human being.

[Jay]

And Crater Muchwa is with some dumb black African scammer.

[Guest 1]

It's like the greatest mind absolute garbage. As I have the enormous privilege of hearing this man talk. His sons of the gods, plural, interbreeding with the daughters of men to create king leaders and knowledge.

[Jay]

This is about nonsense. Where is he talking about his acid trip anyway? It does exist. I just can't find it. None of y' all in the chat know what I'm talking about. Y' all can't find either. Anyway, we'll go back to this fear into us. Anyway, let's jump right into this clip.

[Guest 2]

Let's start with Y2K. In the final months of 1999, there was a global concern that computer systems would fail. When the date switched to the year 2000. All the software used only two digits to record years. So two NILs might be read as 1900, potentially disrupting banks, credit cards and ATMs may cease to function. Power grids, airlines, airplanes and trains may come to a halt. Governments and corporations spent over $300 billion, by the way.

[Jay]

Speaking of fake conspiracy, I believed Y2K. I bought into that because I was first getting into conspiracy stuff in Y2K. I read a bunch of text Mars books and I was like, oh man, you know, everything's going to collapse and crash and the computer's not going to work. And oh no. And of course nothing happened. But. But yeah, I fell for Y2K at the time, but I was like 18, so what do you expect?

[Guest 2]

Updating systems. It was one of the largest coordinated tech efforts in history. People stocked food, withdrew cash, and prepared for the worst. But when midnight came, almost nothing happened. The systems held.

[Jay]

I was 20.

[Guest 2]

Still, that global moment left an imprint. Some view it as a psychological turning point, the end of the analog age and the quiet beginning of a fully digital world. From that point on, life accelerated. Culture, communication and consciousness shifted onto screens fast, constant and increasingly disconnected from physical time. Some researchers believe Y2K wasn't about a bug at all, but a kind of global psychological reset, a ritual of fear, distraction and silence.

[Jay]

The code may not have it was literally just nothing. It was nothing at all.

[Guest 2]

Crashed. But something else may have been triggered. Our perception of time and Reality. After something strange started happening online, people began noticing memories that didn't match reality. The most famous, the Berenstain bears. Millions remember it as Berenstain.

[Jay]

She went full Mandela effect, okay? Number one, best retard conspiracy, and that's immediately where she went. So I cannot believe that people were telling me that, oh, you should have watched the full episode because you took the clips out of context, you dummies. This is 10 times worse than the clips. I played an E, but every book.

[Guest 2]

Says Baron Stain with an A. And that's just the beginning.

[Jay]

If you're writing a simulation and you go back and you change some variables and you rerun the simulation, lots of little things could be different along the way, right? Many different possible paths. Sam, I just heard a crazy trip.

[Guest 1]

Report from none other than David Icke himself. After taking ayahuasca, he said he heard a female voice speak to him, and it's probably safe to assume that this is the common entity people meet on ayahuasca. Mother Aya.

[Jay]

He said it didn't feel like he.

[Guest 1]

Was listening to his own thoughts in any shape or form, but rather that this was a foreign consciousness he was listening to.

[Jay]

One of the things she said to.

[Guest 1]

Him was that infinite love is the only truth.

[Jay]

Everything else is illusion.

[Guest 1]

And then she continued by saying, if.

[Jay]

It vibrates, it's illusion.

[Guest 1]

Mother Ayahuasca then told him she'd take.

[Jay]

Him to where he came from. And just like that, he was transported to a place that he described as being beyond the realm of vibration. David, Ike said that this place.

[Guest 1]

Be totally disconnected from your.

[Jay]

I'm trying to find the actual clip of him talking about it, and all I can find is these stupid people covering it. Let's see if this is it. Can you tell us about your experiences.

[Guest 1]

And what you took out of dmt? Well, I took it in the form of ayahuasca. I only took it twice in about three days in Brazil in 2003. My experience was just unforgettable. I mean, I had a voice, a woman's voice. She's. What is a woman's voice? Oh, it's just as a woman talking to him. No, it's. It's a frequency. It is an information field of a certain frequency, and certain frequencies you decode as female and certain frequencies you decode as male. It's. It's a consciousness that is communicating, and almost certainly it has to be if we're all infinite awareness. It's an expression of your own consciousness, just a very much deeper level of it.

[Jay]

And does that even mean just. Just pure, we are all infinite awareness? What does that mean? Total nonsense. Word salad. We're all consciousness, having a direct experience of itself. That's what he says all the time, too. We are infinite love. Having an experience of body consciousness. What?

[Guest 1]

And for five hours, it talked to me about the illusory nature of reality. And I had instant recall of every word afterwards.

[Jay]

So here you have an. I mean, if this is real, a demonic experience that he's deluded. And this is why after this experience, he starts wearing the turquoise and thinks that he's an avatar version of the.

[Guest 1]

Son of God, which was amazing in itself. And I was taken to a place. I'm using human language here. Taken to a place. It's very hard to describe.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Guest 1]

And it's. I tell you, it's a. It's a place that I experienced as beyond the realm of vibration. Because anything that vibrates. This actually, funny enough, Luke, this is one of the. The many really stunning lines that this. This voice communicated to me.

[Jay]

You get the idea. Somebody said, david Icke is not wrong. You're all just solid and you don't get it. Exactly. I'm too solid. I've been too immersed in the physical, and my solidity is blinding me from understanding. Pure spirit and pure consciousness. Yes.

[Guest 3]

Glitches in the Matrix.

[Jay]

Exactly. You're now in this timeline, but you.

[Guest 2]

Remember you have like a deja vu.

[Jay]

Or you have like a weird memory.

[Guest 2]

Movie quotes, logos, product names, all different than we remember. Entire groups of people swearing something changed with no explanation. It became known as the Mandela effect. Named after people who remembered Nelson Mandela dying in prison.

[Jay]

Yes.

[Guest 2]

Years before he actually did. What could cause something like this?

[Jay]

Are you familiar with the Mandela effect? Yeah, of course. Millions of people remember certain events that never happened. And so how do you explain that as we go through our conscious progression, as we raise consciousness the way we perceive? So this is where you guys are at. You guys are at defending full on Mandela effect. Gibberish. Nonsense. I'm gonna skip ahead to where she's playing Project Camel Toe. Carol Carrie Cassidy's nonsense view.

[Guest 2]

Potential future timelines.

[Jay]

The project was shut down because there was a problem. When we approached 2012, the timelines could converge on that point in time. The technology of peering into the future. The stolen. The CIA stolen Sumerian technology quit working in 2012. And she's getting this from Disinfo. Project Camelot. And you guys told me that I needed to watch the full show because it actually makes sense. No, you're idiots, you're dumb. Project was shut down because there was a problem. When we approached 2012, the timelines converge.

[Guest 1]

On that point in time.

[Jay]

Does she really believe this? I mean, I just can't figure out, does she actually believe this or is this just. I mean, it's so bizarre, dude, knowing how string theory works and how the possibility of possibilities works and how. Oh yeah, sure. Well, we all know that. Yeah. With string theory, I mean, clearly this is how it all goes down. I mean, it's just, it's so. It's self evident with string theory in one choice over here doesn't necessarily mean that the other choice couldn't exist at the same time. But once you get your brain wrapped around this subject, you find out that.

[Guest 1]

At the end of 2012, in an.

[Jay]

Easy way to put it, the choices that we make become less and less consequential to the future. Why? Why? What is this total nonsense? Why 2012? The Mayan calendar? I mean, dude, this is so dumb. And eventually we're pushed into this bottleneck of time no matter which choice we make. Okay, so is that certainly 2012 in your understanding? It's, well, coincides with December 21, 2012.

[Guest 4]

So at that point, all possibilities lead to the same timeline.

[Jay]

All possible timelines lead to the same basic set of history in the future.

[Guest 2]

And after that they shut it all down. Now ask yourself, why would a system like that be buried? And what exactly did they see? Because this is.

[Jay]

Okay, this is supposed to be some of these documents which basically I've not been able to find. So let's see what they are.

[Guest 2]

And after that.

[Jay]

Okay, this is supposed to be the Washington Post. Okay, this is. Oh, this is interesting because this article has nothing to do with what she's talking about. Right? So she's playing this guy's video. Be inspired. And it's an article from the Washington Post in 1981 which has nothing to do with a program about technology seeing into the future. It's about the Cold War. And it's. Using the phrase looking glass has nothing to do with the nonsense that she's spouting. But she knows that this audience of drunk wine moms and soccer moms is not actually going to go find the Washington Post article. But we will and we will see. Is there actually anything in this article? Anything close to what she's talking about? Okay, here it is. Let's make this full screen. David Wise. And this is, I guess a book. It's a book review from the kgb. The Eyes of Russia by Harry Rozitzky. The clandestine mentality, former CIA chief Harry Rositsky notes, is rooted in a conspiratorial worldview that someone out there is plotting against me. Since the world is threatening a threatening place, only secret counter action can guarantee survival. So this is 1981 in the Cold War, writing about the KGB, talking about CA covert operations, Reagan's plans, the CA heart of Russia, blah, blah, blah, executive actions. KGB moved its headquarters of the First Directorate to the Moscow Beltway. This is detailed in John Barron's book the KGB 1974. There's differences with the KGB and it's totalitarianism. Okay, so this is just critiquing KGB operations and their Soviet Union, talking about operations in India, New Delhi, Rositi's background in it, the Penkovsky Papers published by Doubleday. So this is like. Defector information. Okay, so notice absolutely nothing in this title of an article that has nothing to do with technology. It's only about the Cold War and a book written about the Cold War. But it happens to have the title Looking Glass Spies. Nothing to do with Project Looking Glass, which is not a project about future peering technology. So not only did she not vet this stupid video she's playing, they didn't even bother to look up. Neither her nor the original video. What the actual article is about.

[Guest 2]

Down. Now ask yourself, why would a system like that be.

[Jay]

Okay, now, this is the next one, which. This looks like the Gateway project. Yep. So this is the Gateway process image here, which we did a whole podcast on, which is a real project. But there's nothing that's that signifies or proves time travel or seeing the future in a paper, in a process paper about these different techniques. It's a study of these techniques. It does not prove or show or demonstrate that you can see in the future. It's a study of biofeedback. It's a study of transcendental meditation, remote viewing, all these different things. There's nothing in this about Project Looking Glass and Sumerian technology. That's pure bull crap buried.

[Guest 2]

And what exactly did they see? Because this isn't just about false memories or tech. It might explain why everything since 1999 feels frozen and artificial, like we're on rails in a version.

[Jay]

So notice that everything since the 90s feels frozen. It feels artificial. Well, that's because we're spending all of our time in our days on the Internet. Okay? There's no. There was no metaphysical change in reality because of Y2K. And I mean, again, you just. People deserve to be rebuked and castigated for cussing me out, for not believing this absolute bullshit. You're just stupid. I'm sorry that you're dumb. It's not my fault. I'm sorry.

[Guest 2]

Reality that wasn't meant to last this long. And if you think that's wild, wait until you hear what else Looking Glass may have revealed. So what exactly did they see with Looking Glass? According to multiple whistleblowers, including Bill Wood and other.

[Jay]

Okay, whistleblowers from Project Camel Toe are absolutely not credible. They put out the most ridiculous stupid stuff on a daily basis for 20 years. It's the dumbest of the cons. It's. It's coast to coast stuff. It's the same people that go on coast to coast. So the whistleblowers are coast to coast people. And if you don't know, coast to coast is entertainment, you idiots.

[Guest 2]

Interviewed by Project Camelot. Every time they ran the device, no matter what variables they changed, all future timelines converged to a single fixed point. That point somewhere between 2012 and 26.

[Jay]

She believes this. She believes a Project Camelot. Okay, let's show you some more interviews from Project Camelot so that you understand what I'm talking about here. Project Camelot. 25 years of UFO secrets and whistleblowers. Okay? And her last upload was a squirrel that she found to be cute, by the way. Jordan Maxwell. Of course. We have to go to Jordan Jordan Maxwell, the man who believes that he sees pterodactyles and Tyrannosaurus rexes walking around Los Angeles.

[Father Deacon Anais]

I have found that even Judaism is not a B.C. religion.

[Jay]

It did not exist in the B.C. you know, so there was no Judaism back then. Doesn't exist. Let's see, here's some of the stars here. Dr. Lynn Horowitz. Loons, quacks, crackpots. Bill Deagle, Eric Von Daniken. Chariots of the Gods guy known to have been exposed as a fraud. He was making his little. Little fake saucers and whatnot. He bought them at, like, Mexican marts where they were selling trinkets. And he tried to say these were ancient alien artifacts. So this is what. So Candace is literally at Project Camelot level. And yeah, I interviewed Pharrell a long time ago, and since then, I've not interviewed Pharrell. So unfortunately, Pharrell went in the full Camelot direction. So you. As you can see, it's a bunch of crackpots. Loons, quacks. I mean, every now and then there's a couple. David Wilcock, the Gaia Time consciousness zone theory guy. Look at that. There we go. So that's what we're at here, Steam.

[Guest 2]

After that, the future became unpredictable. No more branching outcomes, just a wall.

[Jay]

So it's super interesting that they couldn't see beyond 2012, or rather they could see beyond 2012, but maybe things became inevitable. That was backed up by the. Yeah, but they didn't see anything, Candace. It's not true. Okay, so let's move on to the next thing. Here's where she goes. Full gnostic in the room while this device was being operated. Their conscious thoughts impacted the device. Okay, so just imagine this. What they were thinking in the moment was chain. So no vetting of the person in this interview, no questioning of is this actually a credible person? Again, this is just like Tom DeLong talking about UFOs and the generals recruited him to disseminate the disclosure information. This is Spielberg stuff. This is not reality. Jing. Future outcomes. Thoughts influenced future outcomes. That piece is super relevant to what we're going to discuss. And I obviously that's pretty reminiscent of one of the themes of the Matrix. I just going to assume everybody's seen that movie. If not, you should watch it because it was way ahead of its time. And there you go. So the Matrix was really telling you what was going on. And that's why they're tapping into and controlling the quantum consciousness. And she keeps going moment.

[Guest 2]

Somewhere between 2012 and 2016. After that, everything became unclear, like the future couldn't be red anymore. This brings us back to 1999, a year that might have marked more than just the turn of a century. It's also when the Matrix was released. At the time, it was seen as just another sci fi movie. But looking back, it feels like something more.

[Guest 3]

You've been living in a dream world, Neil.

[Guest 2]

The film introduced a powerful idea that the world we experience might not be what it seems, but reality could be shaped or even simulated without a story knowing. And once you start asking questions, things begin to change.

[Jay]

Now, if Candace was actually a Roman Catholic who took this view seriously, and maybe she is, but I mean, the first thing that you would know if you knew Catholic doctrine at its basics. We're going to set aside all the crazy papal stuff for a second, but let's just say that she's a sincere traditional Catholic. Any basically catechized Roman Catholic traditionalists would know that the nos. The. That the Matrix is Gnostic. So I mean, why does she not at least say, look, you know, the Matrix was an interesting, insightful film, but it's totally gnostic.

[Guest 2]

That idea resonates deeply with what many have felt since the early 2000s. The time feels different, but the future doesn't feel open the way it once did.

[Jay]

Feel, feel, feel, feel. Nothing about evidence, fact, objective argumentation. How does it feel? What are the vibes? What's my intuition?

[Guest 2]

It's like things are repeating themselves. The same cycles, the same events showing up again and again. Some people even report seeing repeating numbers everywhere. Like 1111, 222, 444, almost.

[Jay]

So now we're going full schizo with Gematria nonsense. And just like Jim Bob said, like, this is like one step away from Gematria schizo scammer online nonsense. And we've all seen the Gematria tards going around. Remember the Marty Leeds debates from years ago? Remember the I don't even know the names of the other more recent goofballs that are there? It's just insane. It's. There's nothing coherent. You can't actually demonstrate it because the numbers are all interpreted in the way that works to fit the system in. Any counterfactual evidence of. Well, wait a minute. I mean, I looked at the clock the other day and it said 1113. No, no, it only matters when you look at the clock and it says 1111. Right? Oh, whoa, dude. Synchronicity, bro. It's. It doesn't mean anything. It's mean. It doesn't. There is. There's no meaning behind looking at the clock and it happens to be 11:11. And then the next day you go, you know, to the. To play basketball and you look up at the shot clock and it says 11. Whoa, dude. Two days in a row I saw 11 11. And then I was watching Stranger Things and her name is eleven. Dude, it's like, that's schizo. There's no logical connection, no necessary connection between those things. It's a non sequitur, like little glitches.

[Guest 2]

Or signals hidden in everyday life. And strangely enough, this idea of patterns, repeating, of cycles you can't escape, lines up with what Looking Glass operators allegedly encountered the sensation that the future was already written and that all paths lead to the same outcome. Fast forward to 2012.

[Jay]

So now it's weird predestination based on this guy's alleged viewing of a box of technology that can see into the future. It's literally from the most Insane channel on YouTube and just some guy claiming this. That's it. It's just some on this the most channel claiming it. And now millions of people have watched this and believe this stupid bullshit.

[Guest 2]

Blowers claim that a confidential briefing took place where certain agencies acknowledged the shift a kind of convergence in human potential. This document released CIA expose consciousness as something.

[Jay]

Yeah, that's the Gateway process document. That is not looking Glass. And it has nothing to do with time travel. It discusses could we perhaps train the mind to see outside of the body and to see into the future. That doesn't mean that there's time travel. It doesn't mean there's a box that does it. It's just a document that says let's study these things. The CIA has documents studying the occult. That doesn't mean that they've all secretly mastered it. And they're all sorcerer Kabbalah wizards and they can control the future because they study Kabbalah. It just means it's been studied.

[Guest 2]

That can move through time even outside of the physical world. It discusses remote viewing timelines and the nature of reality itself. Now connect that to the Matrix and the overlap becomes hard.

[Jay]

Yeah, it says that we're going to study these things. It doesn't say that they can do it. People who do drugs believe that they can see into other dimensions, that they believe that they're seeing the past. They're seeing. They're seeing past lives. It doesn't mean you're actually seeing it. It means you're on a drug ignore.

[Guest 2]

Maybe it wasn't just a movie. Maybe it was the first time the system gave us a glimpse behind the curtain. If that's the case, what else have we been shown without realizing it?

[Jay]

And again, go and watch the show that me and Dr. David Patrick Harry did on the Gateway Process because we actually covered the document that they're talking about, which is not Project Looking Glass. It's on my channel under Gateway Process right here. Occult Government, he said. And we look at what's real in the document, what's not real in the document, what they were able to supposedly do and not do. And you should also watch the documentary where they discuss why the project was no longer funded. And they had all these weird quacks running it like Andrea Puharic. I think it's this documentary right here, Project Stargate. I think this is it. Red, yellow, white, bluish. And if you, if I'm going from memory because it was three years ago when I watched this documentary, but I think if you watch it, you'll, you'll notice what they basically come to is the conclusion that there were a couple things that they were able to do, like a couple of the remote viewing experiments worked, but it was not reliable enough and nothing was actually achieved to where it was worth continuing to fund this and to put any information into. So in other words, imagine that you're the military. Are you going to spend and waste your valuable resources and men and agents with unreliable mystical practices to see into the enemy's base with remote viewing, or are you going to put the money into actual verifiable tech which can actually see through walls, like microwave technology or something like that? Right. It just does. It's not logically rationally feasible to put all the emphasis into this kooky stuff. And that's exactly why it didn't get funded and why it was supposedly shut down. Well, you don't know if it's really showdown. Well, okay, if I don't know and we don't know, then we can't come to the conclusion that they really have the tech and that they could really do this. Thank you. Thank you for admitting my point. If we don't actually know, then you don't know. And you can't go by vibes for this stuff. Remember when I was debating that atheist communist guy who was a fan of Haas and I was, he was like, I was like, how, how do you justify what you're arguing? Because vibes, man, that's this level. Because Vibes, man. Okay, lots unpack there. First I'm gonna say, just regarding movie, the Matrix, you should look into how even the script for the Matrix was stolen allegedly. But to bring this back to my earlier point about. Yeah, again, another total bullshit conspiracy. The woman who claims that is absolutely insane. And when we were doing my TV show, the producer asked me and said, hey, would you. What about doing a show on the. The black woman who claims to have really written the Matrix? Well, guess what? I looked into that and if you dig into that, it turns out that her case is so ludicrous that it was thrown out in court. Oh, well, that's because she was black. No, it's because it's crazy. She didn't actually write the Matrix. It's just stupid. It's nonsense. Look it up. Go read about how the court case was thrown out because it was ridiculous. They just doing that because she was a black woman and they racist because she really wrote the Matrix. Guess what? There's a lot of crazy people out there. There's a lot of schizos, a lot of loons, unstable people. Just go get on Twitter for a little bit. Go read, go read TikTok comments. If you, if you doubt me. And there's people that literally think that she probably really thinks that. And I remember looking into this years ago and. Did she look into it? No, she just. Allegedly, they probably did steal the Matrix from her. I don't even remember her name. But it's just. It's a stupid conspiracy theory that's been floating around for 15 years on the Internet. Sophia Stewart. That's it. This crazy black woman who claims that she created the Matrix story and that now, I'm not saying the Wachowskis aren't crazy.

[Guest 4]

So when you go to court. And when I went to court, I.

[Jay]

Was suing for money and damages.

[Guest 4]

I didn't have to prove I was.

[Jay]

The owner of the Matrix and Terminator.

[Guest 1]

All I had to do was put in 90.

[Jay]

It's also the Terminator. It's not. She didn't just write the Matrix. This queen over here also wrote a Terminator. Okay. And she was suing for that money. Six pieces of evidence to claim the money. Very credible. Mm, yes. This woman is automatically, on the face of it, just absolutely, totally credible.

[Guest 4]

They adapted my Third Eye Matrix and.

[Guest 1]

Terminator book and with the script with.

[Jay]

The same name and to these movies.

[Guest 4]

And films that you guys are enjoying.

[Jay]

What the. Yeah. It just so happens to be the two biggest billion dollar franchises that she wrote. Right. It's like. It's not, I don't know, TV show. The TV show Fringe. Right. Some. You know, it's not Babylon 5 or some, you know, forgotten sci fi. No, it's the two biggest billion, multi billion dollar franchises of sci fi that. She probably wrote Star wars too. Right. George Lucas stole that as well, I'm sure. Right. And I'm the oracle. You know, if you watch the Matrix, I'm not real oracle. But let's see. Let's see if my memory is correct here. Court case was thrown out, wasn't even heard. Here's the actual court case right here. Yes, right here. Her case was dismissed because she and her attorneys did not have any evidence. Yeah, I forgot about Frank Dukes was another one of these Hollywood wannabe con. Con man people.

[Guest 4]

Hey, Jay, are you gonna open up the floor? In a second.

[Jay]

Yeah, go ahead. Or not.

[Father Deacon Anais]

I was just wondering.

[Guest 1]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Guest 4]

Are you gonna open up the floor?

[Jay]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Guest 4]

Okay, cool. Well, so I just wanted to throw in about these, like, you know, psyops within. Psyops controlled up within control dot. So I was just watching Begonia. I don't know if I'm saying it correctly, that movie and, you know, the Guy's crazy as right? I haven't watched the whole. I put it on pause and so a lot of times I'm like yeah, he's gonna bust out a lot of truth because the face of truth is always painted as schizo.

[Guest 1]

Always.

[Guest 4]

Now there is going to be true schizo too. I mean I'm painted as schizo but I also know I see through a lot of and so like every time a psyop goes down I feel lonely as because I realize how many people are still programmed even within the quote unquote truth and community. And you have hyperbolic sensationalism that is normally affects the low intelligent folks. And so that's when like these like you want to talk fake conspiracies come up and they generally are very sensationalized and like sort of like a soap opera. So I don't know, I just, I'm. I look at these things. It's kind of up my alley. So that's why I wanted to get in here because I pay attention to psyops within psyops because that's where I'm at in the rabbit hole. And people, you know, like I was on a one of these sites, see our group chats a couple days ago and I said dude, I wouldn't be surprised if all these are like LLM models, like seriously beta testing. And the guy made fun of me going yeah, you're next level crazy. I go well 10 years ago I would have been but really that's not so far fetched now. I mean really honestly. So you know now with the deep fakes and all this. So you have to have discernment. And, and the thing is is like it was funny because the guy was like who was hosting this group on Twitter was like it was like some like neocon goy thought person and he's like what you think they make like fake bots that are like slop neocons? And I said well of course that's the largest demogr because all of that goes back to demographics. Narratives tie into the targeted audience which are demographics. So some will be more Christian or some will be somewhat Christian or some will be gnostic, some won't be so gnostic. And so you can always like I pay attention to talking points.

[Jay]

Appreciate. Thank you. Appreciate your comments. Let's see who's next. Uncomfortable. What's up? So by the way. Yeah, so According to the AI aggregator assessment, her cases were dismissed in 2004 and five thrown out because there was no evidence. She's later Sued for personal damages because of the effects of this hurting her credibility and got $300,000, but not because of anything to do with the movies. What's up, man? Unmute.

[Guest 3]

Okay.

[Jay]

Yeah. No, no. No patience for any of this today, Agent. What's up? I'm on a zero tolerance level today.

[Father Deacon Anais]

So I was with Candace in. In the very beginning, I thought she brought up some really good points about Israel. It really seemed like they had a hand in it and definitely felt like Charlie was. Was betrayed by people probably in his.

[Jay]

Inner circle as these.

[Father Deacon Anais]

These things kind of go. But obviously when she brought on Mitch know.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Father Deacon Anais]

I was like, this is a mirage, man.

[Jay]

Yep. Total, total nonsense. Yeah. Appreciate you. Appreciate your comments. Thank you, Agent. If you want to call in, he'll feel free. Hit request to speak. So then she goes from the Matrix and time portals to the Macron stuff again. And then it's AI and oh, and then the tech technocrats are coming for us, which is true. So she's mixing in the true stuff here. And then next. Oh, cern. So now it's you. CERN is part of it. So let's go through the whole litany of coast to coast topics. Now we're on CERN and the God particle and all this nonsense, blah, blah, blah. And of course, we got to go to the CERN ritual. Now, the problem with the CERN ritual. So she's rehashing all the pop conspiracies of 2015, 16. Right. These were the popular conspiracies at the time. I was right in the mix, in the midst of it, in the. In the heat of it at the time. I remember when this was going around, and even at this time, I was very skeptical of this. And it is not real. It is a prank. They're not actually videotaping and recording because the guy who's videotaping it is also wearing a cloak. And the person here, as you can see in front of the Shiva, now that there is a giant Shiva statue at cern. That's true. And that's because Oppenheimer said, I am Shiva, you know, destroyer of worlds, after he invented, supposedly, the atomic bomb technology, the hydrobomb technology. So they erected the Shiva in honor of all of that. That's why it's there. But you'll notice, oh, this person is wearing Chuck Taylor's, as Jim Bob pointed out. Yes. So you see there the ritual magic person. Right. This is an elite Illuminati ceremony. That's real, according to Candace. And they're there in their sockies their hot. Their high top socks and their Chuck Taylors. And they're just walking around filming on a camera. The person you can see in the shadow from the, from the reflection in the window is also wearing the same hood. And then a girl lays down in a, a white gown and Candace says, no, it's real. It's not a prank. Even though it immediately came out that CERN apologized that people took their prank seriously. And why was there a prank? They did this because at the time, so many people were coming up with certain conspiracies and it was, it was all getting ridiculous. And they did the same thing with the Denver airport. The Denver airport then put out a thing playing upon the conspiracy stuff. And then all the conspiracy, there's. Oh yeah, see, it's real because they're covering it up. Now. There is weird stuff at the Denver airport. There are Masonic images there. There, there is underground facilities there. But that's not what most of the retards in the conspiracy world were saying. And that's usually what's going on, right? There is something going on, but it's not what these people say. And just like with the Denver airport, the CERN people did a playday prank, and it's obviously a prank. They're wearing their freaking tennis shoes. And the guy filming it is wearing the cloak too, as Even other spooky YouTuber people can figure out a while ago.

[Guest 3]

Yet I still find it pretty captivating. So I thought I would talk about it. Chances are you've heard of CERN before. Also known as the European Organization for Nuclear Research, it's a physics laboratory that has a large hadron collider, which is the world's largest particle accelerator. Accelerator of Satanic Ritual at cern. The video appears to be taken secretly from some guy looking through a window in one of the buildings. During the ritual, several people in cloaks walk up to the statue.

[Jay]

And in Chuck Taylor's by the Way.

[Guest 3]

Of the Hindu God Shiva, after this, a woman takes off her cloak and lies on the ground. This is followed by her being stabbed by one of the people wearing a cloak. And the guy recorded recording flips out. I'll show you that part of the video right now so you can judge how authentic you think it is. A video By Stranger than FictionNews provided some more insight into the video. Very shortly after the video first surfaced, they were able to confirm that this video took place within the restricted boundaries of the CERN facility. So it's very unlikely the people in this video were not cern. Employees. It is also believed that the guy who recorded this was in on the sacrifice ritual because if you look in the reflection of the glass, you can see he's wearing a cloak as well.

[Jay]

Yeah. So they were so stupid that the own cult members recorded the video in the cloaks, which they weren't concerned then with committing a murder right there in the middle of CERN with it on video, Right? Oh, well, you see their Illuminati, so they know that they could cover it up. And this is the level of work.

[Guest 3]

Candace is saying it was a hoax perpetrated by some of the employees there. They also say they do not condone actions like these which violate their professional guidelines, which states any behavior which can have a detrimental impact on how our organization is perceived by our neighbors, our member states, and the wider international community, and hence could impact eventually on CERN's reputation and fate shall not be tolerated. They even referenced this video on the guidelines page, saying they were continuing an investigation that could lead to disciplinary measures for the people involved. In all likelihood, this is only a hoax like CERN says.

[Jay]

So even the spooky YouTubers that believe in ghosts and all the other nonsense on their ghost channels, I'm not saying there's not dead people in spirits, but I'm saying, like, I don't believe in all these ghost videos. A bunch of nonsense. But that's where Candace is at now. So we're at total. Chills level stuff. And then the next part was even more ridiculous where Daily Wire made a joke video making fun of her about the Egyptian planes and she thinks it's a coded message that they're going to assassinate her because the letters are red. You can't make it this up. Not just the destination, but the experience of getting there. When you travel with us, you'll feel warm, you'll feel welcomed, and you'll feel watched because every seat comes with the peace of mind of knowing someone is following you, following you. With two planes, this is what you can expect when you fly with at Egyptian Air. We definitely never mix up our time zones, flight numbers or flight time. We all know every journey is your personal business. After all, your personal business is our business is our model Egyptian Air. Wherever you travel, we will follow. And so they've colored the letters there on the text for watched, followed, we will follow. See, that's schizo level stuff. The satire video were was a coded message to her because it said, watch and follow. She's being watched and followed. You can't make this up. This is what you idiots are defending. Does this get to level stuff? It's your personal business, after all. Your personal business is our business is our model Egyptian air wherever you travel. That was a coded message to Candace, you say? And so they've colored the letters there on the text for watched, followed, we will follow. I don't even have to say that. Like I told you, they are. They just. They're unhinged. It's completely. It's been going on, by the way. It's like gang stalking. It's just been going on for two years. Consistently. There we go. Now we're targeted. Individual gang stalking. Land full skitso. Like we talked about yesterday. I said yesterday on the stream or the day before. This is targeted individual stuff. She literally just said it. Now, if you're still on board with this, unfollow my channel. Go away. I don't want slow boys here. You're not welcome here. Bye bye. Go. You're too dumb for here. I don't want dumb people around. And you bring my IQ down being here. So please leave. Tengu, what's up, man? Tingu. Hello. Hey.

[Father Deacon Anais]

Hello.

[Jay]

Yo, what's up?

[Father Deacon Anais]

Hey, thanks so much for having me on. I just wanted to say, first of all, happy belated birthday.

[Jay]

Thank you.

[Father Deacon Anais]

Heard it was your birthday recently and thanks. I've been following you for like a year just about now. And again, just want to say thank you so much, man, for. I mean, we've had so many laughs, especially recently with the. What's that cowboy game or whatever. I was in that stream. I was just dying laughing, dude.

[Jay]

Oh, playing Red Dead Redemption.

[Father Deacon Anais]

Red Dead Redemption, yeah.

[Jay]

Oh, thank you.

[Father Deacon Anais]

Laughing and I've learned so much from you. Are you taking, like, slow boy kind of newbie questions tonight?

[Jay]

About what?

[Guest 3]

That's.

[Father Deacon Anais]

That's cool. You could drop me.

[Jay]

About what? Yeah, just go and ask it.

[Father Deacon Anais]

Well, I. I had a kind of conversation with an atheist recently. I was like, a little pressed on and I didn't really know how to answer him on something.

[Jay]

Okay, what's the question?

[Father Deacon Anais]

Well, his thing to me was kind of like almost the problem of evil. But it was like, why didn't God just make us all kind of like know who he was and then just give us the free will whether to choose to love him or not love him?

[Jay]

He did. He did give us revelation of who he is. That's if you read Romans 1. That's what that's about. And then we choose whether we want to or not. Anyway, I appreciate your question. Just go check out reread Romans 1. And that's because it's exactly about that. Father Deacon Anais, did you want to say something? Are you there?

[Father Deacon Anais]

What was the question? Why didn't God.

[Jay]

Why didn't God just give us the knowledge of who he was and then give us free will to choose him? Well, he did so.

[Guest 1]

Yeah.

[Father Deacon Anais]

And the other thing too is that people always forget when they ask these questions, why God? Why God didn't do this? In Genesis, it says, let us make man in our image according to our likeness. Obviously it was the Holy Trinity, Adam and Eve, and humanity had not acquired the likeness. Likeness are the virtues, right? So all of these questions miss the whole point that there's knowledge, there's all this stuff in the world. Why couldn't he made this. This way? Man actually has to struggle and work and actually the possibility to do evil. Virtue can't exist in a world in which evil is not possible. So that's something people always miss. It's like, you know what I was given in the catechesis class the other day? I'm like, you want a good world? You could have a Darren Arofsky vegan kabbalistic world where you know what? Let's just have a biological world of irrational plants and animals. Like, it's good, but there's no virtue.

[Jay]

Good point.

[Father Deacon Anais]

And everybody misses that. Theosis is the acquisition of virtue. And it has. Nobody's born with it, it can't be given, it has to be struggled. And it's only exists in a world in which evil is actually possible. And furthermore, there's a whole host of virtues that develop after evil exists because God's a good God who can bring out good even out of evil. And so there's some great virtues, they're not necessary, but that, that God do that. But given the evil does come in, think about this. No greater love than a man lie down his life for his friends. So if death wasn't there, you wouldn't have that virtue of love in that. That aspect. So people just missed that point. Anyways, I just wanted to add that.

[Jay]

Yeah, thank you. Well, I didn't. There's nobody else in line, nobody. None of the Candace haters or debaters or defenders actually came, which is not surprising. So there was about five or six people cussing me, literally cussing me out today, and none of them came. So I just wanted to be clear that none of them would actually come and argue and defend the position. To me that says that they're literally just. Just idiots. So once again, we've shown and demonstrated these people have no discernment and they're actually just morons and dupes. Anthony, ever since I heard about TAG I can't stop thinking about it. It Appreciate that. Banana up to about 20. Say you need to upgrade your quantum drive. Modern journalism is now hyper real symbols and it's Marxist high theory of contradiction and strife. Contradictions are now essential to process and the aim. Exactly. Matt Scroggins $5. Happy Belated Earth Ortho Pope birthday. Sorry it's late. 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Do they purposely convolute and add information to discredit conspiracy theories or all of them? Yes. Whether that is happening intentionally here, we don't know. But yeah, that absolutely happens. It's called disinformation. And of course disinformation is necessarily involved in mixing in true information with the false. But it's also what happens in prison. So this is also part of pr. And if we want to get into movie recommendations because we're going to base reality on movies now. By the way, you can get my books if you want to go that route. Esoteric Hollywood 1, 2 and 3 signed copies of the Shopping J's analysis. There is a movie about controlling narratives through fake leaks and disinformation and I cannot remember the name of it. Let's see, it's the one where Jessica Chastain works for a PR company. Now it's obviously going to have kind of a leftist bent, but is it? I think Molly's Game is the one that's about card playing. So it's not that one. What is the name of that one? 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