Pt 2: Epstein, The Papacy & Tent Horn: Challenging Catholics on Vatican Claims, Coverups & OPEN DEBATE

Summary

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Jay'sAnalysis: Pt 2 – Epstein, The Papacy & Trent Horn: Challenging Catholics on Vatican Claims, Coverups & Open Debate

Date: February 14, 2026
Host: Jay Dyer
Main Guest/Opponent (Debate): Trent Horn (clips & analysis)

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Overview

This episode, hosted by Jay Dyer, centers on an intense critique and open challenge to prominent Catholic apologist Trent Horn, focusing on the Vatican’s claims of authority, recent sex abuse and elite connections scandals, particularly those involving Jeffrey Epstein, and the broader issue of coverups within the papacy. Jay accuses Roman Catholic apologists of dodging discussions on Vatican corruption and globalist entanglements, especially in light of explosive allegations and documents tying figures like John Paul II to Epstein and other infamous criminals. Throughout, Jay alternates between rebuttal, satire, and polemic, dissecting Horn’s defenses and the Catholic apologetic approach.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Trent Horn’s Debate Avoidance (01:13–02:40; 06:18–07:00)

• Jay accuses Trent Horn of refusing to engage in serious public debate on pressing issues related to Vatican geopolitics and corruption, preferring to relegate these matters to "fringe topics."
• Jay states, "What you think are fringe topics are actually now the biggest news story in the world, like Epstein and the connections to John Paul II. And you’re obviously covering up for that and acting like it’s a fringe topic, including the subject that I’ve asked you for years to publicly debate, the geopolitical entanglements of the Vatican." (01:45)
• Jay formalizes his debate challenge: "What’s a better explanation for the actions of the Papacy in the last century? The promise of Peter… or geopolitical entanglements and power elites turning the theology to their own desires?" (03:00)
• Jay points out Trent's initial non-understanding: "When I first presented that to Trent, his response was I don’t even know what that means..." (01:45)
• Trent’s rationale for sidestepping such debates: “I’m not going to do formal debates or discussions on... prudential judgments we can reasonably disagree about." (01:32)

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2. Accusations of Cover-up in Vatican Scandals: Epstein, Savile, and the Vatican Bank (see especially 67:01–88:55)

• Jay calls out what he views as weak defenses and deliberate oversight by Catholic apologists regarding Vatican links to notorious criminals:
• On the direct evidence of Epstein’s Vatican ties:
  • “It’s not just that there’s a connection to Epstein, it’s the other emails talking about the close connection that Epstein has to the Vatican, including arranging flights and meetings for Francis. So you cleverly left all of that out of your COPE session here.” (84:46)
  • “This email is from 2015 and it says in the past, Jeff[rey Epstein] spent time at the Vatican ‘living at it with John Paul II, discussing architectural things like columns’ because they had a shared interest in architecture.” (70:47)
• Critique of Trent minimizing connections:
  • Trent: “But the evidence that Epstein himself lived at the Vatican is as flimsy as the evidence that Epstein [is] alive himself... probably just a jumbled recollection of something a Roman tour guide told Epstein when he was in Rome in 2003.” (78:51)
  • Jay: "He chose a... conspiracy outlet that doesn't do much fact-checking and just kind of puts out... headlines. But the argument was... that one of the emails from an associate of Epstein..." (67:25)
• On the Vatican bestowing honors on criminals:
  • "Another notorious person covering up... stuff. Jimmy Savile, the infamous necrophiliac, Satanist, procure trafficker, disgraced broadcaster given the papal knighthood by John Paul II... they’ve said they cannot reverse this. They will not reverse the papal knighthood to this monster." (82:25)

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3. "Double-speak Bureaucracy" and the Modern Papal System (03:30–05:56)

• Jay attacks inconsistencies and perceived duplicity within Vatican communications and doctrine:
  • “All that tells me is that it’s a double speak bureaucracy. I don’t care that they say some good things. Jesus says to not be double speaking... So when there’s double speak, that immediately suggests a lack of honesty, a lack of integrity. And who can honestly say the Vatican has not become geopolitically corrupted?” (04:30)
• He asserts this is why challenging the Catholic narrative is vital, especially in light of new information from "the Epstein files."

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4. Masculinity, Apologetics, and Tone Policing (08:18–13:33, 17:09–20:16, 27:41–29:03, 39:17–40:20)

• Long, satirical riff critiquing Catholic conceptions of masculinity and the use of tone policing as a rhetorical shield.
• Jay mocks Trent's use of Protestant figures as masculine ideals, neglecting "buff Roman Catholics," and attacks the shallow view of masculinity as mere physical prowess, emphasizing “mental strength, psychological strength that really expresses masculinity, that enables you to not be a simp.” (13:33)
• Jay: “This is all so wrongheaded as to what masculinity is, what Christian masculinity is… they immediately don’t even think about the number one thing… which is rational strength, mental strength.” (15:33)
• Notable quote: “A rabid, vicious Marxist con man, activist, black fake bishop. You guys all know that the black fake activist people get in on a grift like Reverend Al Sharpton… Well, guess what, Bishop whatever his name is, Tilda Swinton is one of those publicly rabid...” (26:39)
• Jay criticizes Trent’s moralizing: "We need you at the head of… the congregation for the Holy Office of Moral Public Commentary, because we’re all lost without the moral compass that is Trent Horn." (33:03)

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5. The Vatican, New World Order, and Globalist Entanglements (88:55–94:30)

• Jay outlines the journey of his research into elite books and whitepapers (Quigley, Brzezinski, Rockefeller, etc.) that document globalist projects, arguing that Catholic apologists refuse to address how these entangle the Vatican.
• Key Point: "Everything we talk about has some global elite text you can go look up. That's what’s so annoying and frustrating to me about people like Trent Horn, who are intelligent... But it wouldn’t take you very long... to go listen to my talks... Has Trent ever talked about the Frankfurt School? I studied under a person for the Frankfurt. I’ve lectured on Frankfurt School books..." (89:04)

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6. More on Papal Pacifism, Teaching, and Theological Errors (41:11–47:46)

• Jay rebuts Trent’s pacifistic reinterpretation of the “Jesus whipped the moneychangers” narrative, arguing it’s a desperate, creative cop-out and brings up the Vatican’s past with standing armies, assassinations, and shifting teachings on violence—a contradiction to the supposed infallibility and consistency of papal doctrine.
• Notable exchange:
  • Trent Horn: “…if Jesus really did whip people, it would reveal a reckless, lawless spirit incompatible with Christ’s virtue.” (44:49)
  • Jay Dyer: “He formed a whip, drove them out, and just held the whip? Like, obviously it's saying that he drove them out with the whip. I mean, this is kind of ridiculous.” (41:11)
• Jay connects this to his assertion that “the root problem is not loving and caring about what’s true first and foremost”… and accuses Catholic apologists of narcissistic pride for never admitting error. (47:46)

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7. Accusations of Selective Criticism and Inconsistency in Catholic Circles (59:11–64:18)

• Jay details how Trent and others are selectively critical, often refusing to call out their own side’s abuses.
• Jay, skeptical of reconciliation and constructive criticism, exposes the absence of private communication from Trent, contradicting his own advice that critics should reach out privately to avoid public drama: "Trent does not follow his own advice... This is public performative moralizing." (61:07)

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8. Claims of Heresy and Orthodoxy’s Superiority (47:46, 55:43, 120:25)

• Jay repeatedly insists that the real issue at the root of Catholic errors is “heresy"—that their apologists, including Trent, fundamentally misunderstand the doctrine of the Trinity, the meaning of Church history, and even basic Greek terms, in contrast to Orthodox teaching.
• Jay says: “Trent is a heretic and heretics are the worst moral offenders because the heretic prefers his own beliefs and decisions and opinions to divine revelation.” (47:46)
• He encourages listeners to consider Orthodoxy as providing more consistent, principled, and untainted Christianity.

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On Vatican Corruption:
  • "Who can honestly say the Vatican has not become geopolitically corrupted? Which is immediately why this is such a big deal right now, given the Epstein information..." – Jay Dyer (04:56)
• On Gatekeeping Masculinity:
  • “It’s also mental strength, psychological strength that really expresses masculinity, that enables you to not be a simp…” – Jay Dyer (13:33)
• On Evidence of Papal Corruption:
  • “Papal Knighted is a prestigious honor bestowed by the Pope... Jimmy Savile, the infamous necrophiliac, Satanist, procure trafficker, disgraced broadcaster given the papal knighthood by John Paul II.” – Jay Dyer (82:25)
• On Cover-ups and Defensive Postures:
  • “This is the Roman Catholic cope that I see. Yeah, this is a classic Roman Catholic cope. That the more evil that you see within the Roman Catholic Church actually proves it because Satan’s targeting it. So by that logic, the more wicked you are, the more saintly you are.” – Jay Dyer (107:45)
• On Debate Avoidance:
  • “If they’re ridiculous, then you should be... easily refute it.” – Jay Dyer (96:04)
• On Inconsistent Moral Policing:
  • “We need you at the head of… the congregation for the Holy Office of Moral Public Commentary, because we’re all lost without the moral compass that is Trent Horn.” – Jay Dyer (33:03)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Trent Horn called out for refusal to debate controversial Vatican topics: 01:13–03:00
• Jay’s formal challenge: Vatican geopolitics vs. Papal indefectibility: 03:00
• On Vatican “double-speak bureaucracy”: 03:30–05:56
• How Vatican II adopted globalist positions (Gaudium et Spes): 06:18–08:18
• Masculinity, Protestants as models, and critique of Catholic apologetics: 08:18–15:33
• Cover-up patterns: Bernard Law, Legionaries of Christ, Savile: 80:26–84:46
• Epstein–Vatican connections, emails, and failing to address real evidence: 67:01–88:55
• Papal honors to criminal elites and the issue of rescinding titles: 82:25–84:24
• Trinity, Triad, and charge of heresy leveled at Catholic apologists: 47:46, 55:43
• Jay’s global elite sourcebook rundown and summary of research methods: 88:55–94:30
• Jay exposes Catholic apologetic ‘selective criticism’: 59:11–61:07

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Additional Notes

• Frequent cross-referencing of recent “Epstein files,” Vatican II documents, and historical global elite literature bolsters Jay's claims of institutional corruption and complicity.
• Recurring satirical jabs are used to highlight what Jay views as hypocrisy, weakness, and avoidance of core issues by the Catholic apologetics establishment.
• Calls for debate: Jay closes with further calls for public debate on the geopolitics of the Vatican, explicitly challenging not just Horn but also Jimmy Akin and others.
• Trent Horn’s attempts at damage control are characterized as superficial, omitting the substantive, recently documented connections between the Vatican and figures like Epstein.

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Conclusion

Jay Dyer delivers a sweeping, sometimes caustic critique of Catholic apologetic defenses of the modern Vatican, dissecting their responses to high-level scandals and globalist connections. Throughout, he brings forward documentary evidence and offers open challenges for debate, all while satirizing what he sees as performative morality and selective outrage in the Catholic online apologetics world. Jay advocates a return to Orthodox Christianity as the antidote to what he argues is the Vatican’s compromised institutional system.

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For further analysis and debate recaps, listen to the full episode and visit Jay’s YouTube channel and website.

Transcript

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That have to do with whether or not you should talk about or not? So I mean, are you just a subservient person at all times, Trent, when even the you just obey your critics? So so when a critic tells you to stay in your old lane, you stop talking. How about this? I'm your critic, Trent. I'm going to tell you as a masculine man to stop talking about this nonsense that you don't know about. So will you now stay in your.

[Trent Horn]

Own lane some of those things? And I think Christians should engage manosphere content. But I'm not going to do formal debates or discussions on fringe topics, silly things or prudential judgments we can reasonably disagree about.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, but what you think are fringe topics are actually now the biggest news story in the world, like Epstein and the connections to John Paul ii. And you're obviously coping covering up for that and acting like it's a fringe topic, including the subject that I've asked you for years to publicly debate, the geopolitical entanglements of the Vatican. Now when I first presented that to Trent, his response was I don't even know what that means. What would it even mean to debate the geopolitics of the Vatican? So I said, here, I'll put it in a more precise formulation for you What's a better explanation for the actions of the Papacy in the last century? The promise of Peter that it has indefectibility and infallibility, or geopolitical entanglements and power elites turning the theology to their own desires? What's a better explanation for that? 20th century papal zeitgeist. Now, if my position is correct, and if I made that case convincingly, that would mean that Jesus again is not promising a special Petrine charism to protect it and guide it as it's become an organized crime syndicate, as it's become a tool of globalization, UNESCO type values which Pope Francis openly said he supported, as well as Davos and its values. That would mean that Jesus is not telling us that we have to submit to a corrupt, wicked geopolitical tool pushing all of the things that are absolutely contrary to Christianity. Well, but what about all the times that they don't push it? It has nothing to do with whether it's a contradiction, right? If, if, if you say, well, but there's all these places where the Papacy says good stuff, that's the first thing they always run to. All that tells me is that it's a double speak bureaucracy. I don't care that they say some good things over here. Jesus says to not be double speaking, to not speak out of both sides of your mouth. So when there's double speak, that immediately suggests a lack of honesty, a lack of integrity. And who can honestly say the Vatican has not become geopolitically corrupted? Which is immediately why this is such a big deal right now, given the Epstein information. That's why this is coming out. The Vatican is obviously implicated in several emails and they've immediately rushed to cover that up and to explain it away. That's what they do. It's what they've always done. It's what happened with Bernard Law and the abuse cases. It's what happened with the guy that ran the, what it was Legionnaires of Christ or whatever. The massive abuse cases they cover up because they're liars and they don't care about what's true for them. Truth is a making operation. It's a creative process to make this system work. They're system builders. They're like Hegel or Kant or any of the philosophers or Aquinas. They want to build and construct a vast system. And that's the deity, this big system. And then when that system has internal systemic level contradictions, you update the system with development of doctrine and new copes and copy and paste methods. That is why they are so Worried and why Trent is having to double down. He's concerned that orthodox people, ortho bros are getting on massive podcasts. I did interviews all week long. I had almost 70,000 people watch a six hour live stream. I had 3.3 or 5,000 live at one point for my channel. That's massive. And a lot of that was talking about Vatican relations. Yes, we covered Mossad and Rothschilds extensively, but we also talked about the Vatican angle, which none of these people will talk about other than Trent's Cope cover up video, which we will watch in a moment.

[Trent Horn]

2Nd Timothy 2, 23 says, have nothing to do with stupid senseless controversies. You know that they breed quarrels. I don't think there's a big difference between the political arm and the apologetics branch that Andrew references to me. They're two sides of the same coin. Apologetics shows people Christianity is true and politics works to influence people to enact various policies that should reflect the truth.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, then you should be all the more willing to debate the geopolitics of the Vatican. Let me give you a concrete example of where I can prove that that's absolutely necessary and interconnected. Vatican II's document Gaudium et Spes, as we have pointed out in many videos and lectures and talks, is a political position paper of Vatican II adopting many Fabian Socialist, Marxist, open borders de armament positions, including many statements supporting United nations and UNESCO type stuff. So if the Vatican has a explicit position paper, part of its presumed Magisterium of Vatican 2, Gaudium, esp. Why would you not defend its positions from the Vatican if you just admitted that political positions reflect apologetic positions? So him then saying, I don't have to address the geopolitics of the papacy because I don't do that. It's not what I cover. It's not relevant. It's fringe. You just said it's not fringe. Do you even know what's in Gaudium et Spes? Have you even read it? I bet he hasn't even read it.

[Trent Horn]

But in many cases, to convince people to do something like vote against abortion, you need to convince them the Christian position is true. Or you need to do apologetics. And I agree that to change culture, you. You have to do political things like lobby, campaign for candidates and argue for policy changes and prudential actions among individuals and communities. These things are outside of my wheelhouse, so I'm grateful for the Christians who do them. Well, one example I'd mention would be Virginia House of Delegates member Nick Freitas, whose show I Went on earlier this year. Document that we don't. Nick is a great example of how to be tough and masculine. I certainly wouldn't want to get into a fight with the guy. How to advance God's kingdom through politics and, and how to be charitable while doing all of this. In fact, the most masculine men that I know, the guys who could legit kill you with their bare hands, they don't go around puffing out their chests and verbally abusing people.

[Jay Dyer]

Now, again, for those that are curious, Here is a 38 minute talk that was clipped over at Dire Central, just specifically on Trent's official political position that he must support via the Vatican, AKA Gaudium et Spes, the Marxist Fabian socialist document confirmed by Paul VI in 1965. So this is the Vatican's official geopolitical statement right there. Now, he mentioned Nick Freitas, who I thought that. Is he a Protestant? So his example of masculinity actually has to go to a Protestant. Interesting that he didn't mention Tim Gordon. So, and correct me if I'm wrong, because I remember, I remember I had some DMS with Nick Freitas and we were going to do a podcast and then he ghosted me, I guess because I'm too mean. Or he found out that I debate Protestants. But somebody correct me, is, is Nick Freitas even a Roman Catholic? Because that's very telling to me that when Trent thinks of, in his mind, the first most masculine Christian commentator that's out there, he goes to a Protestant. He doesn't even go to Tim Gordon. Like what I mean, okay, I guess so. But this guy might be a Catholic. I don't know. Let's see what he is. Do you guys know? Yeah, he's a Protestant. He doesn't even mention his own Tim Gordon. By the way, Tim Gordon is a, a buff dude. I pretty sure Tim would beat my ass if we got in a fight. So it's kind of an insult, I would say. Like he doesn't even think of his own masculine Roman Catholic dudes. Who's that other guy, that, what's his name, Mano? The guy that does the masculinity podcast or used to do it with Tim Gordon. I mean, that's a buff Roman Catholic straight dude. He didn't even think of any of those. He immediately went to a Protestant dude. This is just weird.

[Trent Horn]

Guys who do that are usually overcompensating for some insecurity. True masculinity reveals itself in being assertive without being unnecessarily aggressive. For example, in William Albrecht's debate with Ryan from needgod.net Albrecht exposed how Ryan used a fake quote from the church fathers in a previous video.

[Jay Dyer]

Are you sure you want to go to William Albrecht for your paragons of masculinity examples? I mean William Albrecht has the biggest. He's got the biggest list of anyway out there. If you want to go to William Albrecht, you better be watched it out for that list because masculinity by the way, this is something else I've noticed that a lot of these guys don't even touch is everybody immediately thinks of bodily strength and that makes sense. I mean obviously that's kind of one of the first things that you would think about in terms of masculinity. But let me give you an example of masculinity and bodily strength not matching up. Don't we all know that a lot of the workout obsessed body workout stuff sphere is gay? Of course. So wait a minute. If it's masculinity and working out that is characteristic or excuse me, if working out is characteristic of masculinity, then why is it so full of gay dudes? Also, I went to high school with a lot of guys who were very buff, athletic jock dudes and guess what happened to many of those guys? Oh, they got cucked by various women, left by various women, cheated on by various women. Are you a fraud paying American? It's a fact that one in four honest, hard working tax paying Americans has been a victim of identity theft with Lifelock Identity Theft Protection. Though if your identity is stolen, they.

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[Trent Horn]

Probably got from a lazy Google search. And Albrecht was assertive in not letting Ryan weasel his way out of this revelation. I want to pause for a moment and give you a chance to read.

[Jay Dyer]

The whole of that quote again, citing the most lispy leather daddy Roman Catholic apologist out there, William Albrecht, who wears a cassock with a Roman Catholic dog collar. Has anybody explained or found out why a layman is wearing a Roman Catholic priest outfit? And why on his icon wall did he have a giant poster of himself in his gay workout gear? I'm not joking. We covered that in the, in the Albrecht video the other day. This is his example of masculinity. A Protestant dude and lispy leather daddy Albrecht. This is, this is comedy itself right here.

[Trent Horn]

Can you get that full quote and.

[Jay Dyer]

Read it for us? I don't have it on hand, but.

[Trent Horn]

I can, I will wait for us.

[Jay Dyer]

That's fine if you want to waste your time on this. That's all good. I, I, it is brutal for you.

[Trent Horn]

Because I know where you got it from. I know you got all these.

[Jay Dyer]

It's brutal for you because I know where you got it from. Because I, I'm, I'm a frequent traveler to list.com and to also I have many, many profiles on grinders.com so if you guys want to message me afterwards when I take off my fake Castic, you can find [e-mail] quotes from google.com.

[Trent Horn]

You did zero research. Are you aware, Ryan?

[Jay Dyer]

You did zero research. Zero research. Again, this is his example of proper masculinity. The guy with the gayest lisp since James White that that is a fake quote.

[Trent Horn]

It doesn't even come from St. Jerome. Christians shouldn't be pushed, But we also shouldn't, as Andrew says, do everything we can to maintain political power. After all, Christians can't do evil so that good may come, as Paul says in Romans 3. 8. In our email exchange, Andrew said politics is ugly, dirty, brutal. There is doxing, swatting, assassination attempts, reputational destruction, slander and rumor mongering. That's true. But Christians should not use those tactics against their opponents, even if they are used against us. We shouldn't dox people knowing that this could lead to them being harmed. We shouldn't spread lies and we definitely shouldn't assassinate people, even if they talk about killing us. In our exchange, Andrew said that he agrees we shouldn't do those things either. But I would add onto the list that we shouldn't even be verbally abusive when we are mocked. We should instead imitate our Lord who endured abuse without striking his abusers. That's why I agree with what Joel Berry from the Babylon Beast said on.

[Jay Dyer]

Tim Pool's Here We Go now. Let's go to the Zionists. Let's go to the Evangelical Zionist Disinformation Outlet to prove our case on morals. So we where's. Where are we deriving our examples from Protestants, Skittles, Roman Catholics and Zionist Evangelicals.

[Trent Horn]

This is laughable podcast about how Christians are handicapped in fighting evil because we have principles and our opponents don't. That is what makes this fight so unfair. All right, because we are our enemy.

[Jay Dyer]

Is a By the way, this is another person who will not debate because he just wants to spout evangelical Zionist quasi dispensationalist theology. And he doesn't do debates. So. Of course not. Because I've DMed with this guy trying to get him to do a debate. He will not do it. And I'm sure that it would conveniently come up that if you pressed him because I'm mean and have toxic behavior now. I'm also surprised in the midst of all these whining rants that Trent hasn't found a way to call us racist. I'm surprised he hasn't called me racist yet. But maybe that's the next phase. That's. That's the next level. He's going to go full Professor Dave and make impressions and jokes are not going to be full racist because at root, I think what we're seeing is that Trent has a veneer of Christian conservatism, but really it's just a kind of mushy lib view.

[Trent Horn]

Ultimately, by any means necessary enemy. They only want power. They'll do whatever it takes to achieve it. And here we are on our side.

[Jay Dyer]

So I mean, I'm curious, does Joel Berry's commentary there apply to Netanyahu? Is he talking about the political class like Bibi? Is he talking about those people? Or is that exempted because he thinks that the atheist nation state of Israel is God's chosen people? Who, by the way, Trent Horn also, I can very clearly tell, only wants to come after people that also don't express the correct geopolitical positions. I'm curious if Trent has any criticisms of rabbinic philosophy. And I'm told through the grapevine that he's actually about to do a video, perhaps defending the talm from misinterpretations of the Talmud. So what does that tell you about the direction that Trent's going in?

[Trent Horn]

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I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi Dan.

[Jay Dyer]

Hey.

[Dan Morgan]

How's it going today?

[Podcast Host]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Podcast Host]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion one. 20 billion is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Jay Dyer]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.

[Trent Horn]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

Dan Morgan from Morgan And Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit for the People.com for an office near you.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, and speaking of that, he already kind of did this by tone policing me about a ridiculous joke about a ridiculous con man. Bishop Tilda Swan. Tilda Swinton. So it's more important to tone police me over a funny joke than it is to call out a rabid, anti white, vicious huckster Marxist. Openly Marxist. That's more important. It's more important to defend John Paul II's relationship to the Vatican is to the, to Epstein than to actually investigate it and see what's going on. It's more important to triple down and defend the Vatican at all costs now that the Vatican teaches essentially a Judaized theology. Post Vatican too. And there is a video right there showing that Vatican II teaches through Gaudium Espez Fabian.

[Trent Horn]

Marxist socialist teaching have rules, we have morals. We have things that we can't do. Right. I. I think that we should do whatever it takes, you know, tactically and otherwise.

[Jay Dyer]

By the way, isn't this interesting that Trent's approach is to build bridges in an ecumenist way by citing these ridiculous people like this guy as the examples of Christian piety and Christian media. You know, the paragons of Christian media are Evangelical Zionists, Protestants and absolute creep Roman Catholics like Albrecht guys to win.

[Trent Horn]

Short of violating scripture. And that's what makes the, the fight unfair. But here's the thing. Here's where faith comes in.

[Jay Dyer]

As a Christian, that's a good way to put it. Trend horn. Trent wants to like him, liken himself to the Council of Trent. Right? He doesn't he call his podcast Council of Trent? Well, the Council of Trent teaches the death penalty as part of natural justice and the Catechism of Trent. So I think it's more like trend horn is much more appropriate.

[Trent Horn]

We believe in a God who rules the universe, who is on the throne, who used Gideon's 300 men to defeat an army of thousands, who used David to defeat a giant who says trust not in horses and chariots.

[Jay Dyer]

But okay, whatever, dude. All right, now he's going to get to me and why I'm a bad person.

[Trent Horn]

Do as Christians is abusively attack or insult those we disagree with.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, so a rabid, vicious Marxist con man, activist, black fake bishop. You guys all know that the black fake activist people get in on a grift like Reverend Al Sharpton, Reverend Jessa Jackson. They're not even actual preachers. They're just activists. Everybody knows this. Well, guess what, Bishop whatever his name is. Tilda Swinton is one of those publicly rabid. So Trent's more concerned with tone policing a funny, ridiculous joke. Calling out his fake apostolic claims. You better put some respect on my name. Give me a break, dude. You're a Al Sharpton huckster. But according to Trent Horn, you shouldn't even have that kind of a joke about a huckster. A fit. His own church thinks this guy's a fake bishop, but this is all he could find to try to say that I'm a bad Christian because I made a joke about a ridiculous fraud person.

[Trent Horn]

You can use blunt language to call someone out for being dumb, evil, or both, but there are clear cases where the language goes too far, Bro.

[Jay Dyer]

Don't hurt the feelings of the blacktivists. How dare you hurt the feelings of a blacktivist. How dare you call me Bishop Tilda Swinton. Put some respect on that name.

[Trent Horn]

And just makes Christians look bad. For example, Catholic philosopher Trent Doherty has profanely lashed out at his opponents since.

[Jay Dyer]

You have teamed up with a bicycle. Oh, so at least some final admission of a Roman Catholic who did something wrong. This is finally sexual atheist to defend your theology. That's a piece of. That's a piece of move you piece of.

[Trent Horn]

You. And even threatened to beat them up.

[Jay Dyer]

Do you have. Do you have any boxing experience?

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[Trent Horn]

When Jay Dyer was on Piers Morgan, he repeatedly mocked Pentecostal prelate Talbert Swan by calling him Tilda Bishop.

[Jay Dyer]

You put some respect on that name. Trent Horn. Listen to me, Trent Horn. You better put some respect on that name. It's Bishop. By the way, isn't Trent not respecting him, but by not calling him Bishop Tilde Swinton.

[Trent Horn]

Quinton, the name of a Hollywood actress.

[Jay Dyer]

It's the same logic that this guy has in terms of his liberation theology. Talbert Swan. My name is. My name is Bishop Thomas One. Yeah, Trent. He's not a real bishop. He's a con man. He's a fraud. And it was funny to call him Tilda Swinton. This guy. You've been dealing with me in a very disrespectful. Bishop Tilda Sw. Excuse me, Bishop Tilda Swan.

[Trent Horn]

Sam Shamoon is also frequently.

[Jay Dyer]

Everybody knows that was funny, dude. Just like when I called the two gists gayists. Millions of people thought that was funny. From the clips that got millions of views. This is ridiculous. And by the way, Trent, I'll send you some of the worst stuff because that's not even the bad stuff for me, that's actually funny stuff. I'll try to find you some clip where I actually made a mistake. Trying to think, when did I actually get mad? It's been a long time since I really just lashed out. Got mad on the stream. I don't even know when. Insulted his critics, the stupid fat cow. No, it was by your mother being a Shia prostitute in Iran. Shut the hell up, you stupid bastard. You stupid. So this is a perfect time to give a shout out to the number one, most, not craziest Roman Catholic apologists, your boy, Sam Shamoon. And we're gonna play a little bit of a musical interlude just to take a little bit of a break because I'm gonna go TT to the girls room, then we're gonna open it up for some calls. So here's a little bit of Sam Shamoonery for you guys while I go TT. That's actually a good word though, by the way. I wonder maybe what we should have. We should have Trent set up a congregation for the morals of Internet discourse, right? The papacy has their holy office. We need Trent heading up a holy office of appropriate public moral statements for commentators. I. I think he would do the best. He's certainly the most moral of all of us. Clearly he's demonstrated that beyond a shadow of a doubt in these. These videos. We need you at the head of the. The. The congregation for the Holy office of moral public commentary, because we're all lost without the moral compass that is Trent Horn. So thank you, Trent, for calling attention to this. I definitely want you to be the Inquisitor General for Internet discourse. No one else could be more moral in that position, so we're gonna have to see. Trent, do you approve of this video making fun of Sam Shamoon or have I once again fallen into the sad moral abyss that is Jay Dyer and Toxic Ortho Brodoxy. He's single. He's got a little bit of dust on his shoulder because he didn't clean up his nasty ass cat apartment. Sam Shamoon is on the dance floor. Ladies orbs all are welcome, please dance with shaman. I've got moves, moves, moves. All you pretty orbs on the dance floor Muta with the shia tonight. All you pretty orbs on the dance floor. I see a lot of orbs lonely tonight. Big shapely orbs. Come and dance with Sam, he's single all town. Your mom's doing moodle with a shot you he's got man. Oops. He can relate to you. Satan moves on the Dance floor tonight all you orbs on the floor tonight Tonight's night Every orb on the dance floor Disney Muta with the sea and good night Every orb on the dance floor Dance Sam shuffle Muta with the Shia tonight Do the Sam shuffle Sam shuffle tonight Muta with Sam tonight it's muta on the dance floor Muta on the dance floor Usanda all you pretty orbs on the dance floor Muta with the Shia tonight. Oh, this is just morally reprehensible. I cannot believe anyone would dare to try to make these kinds of jokes. Absolutely morally reprehensible. Anyway, I hope that we can get the Holy Office for Moral Internet Discourse going and I nominate Trent Horn to be Inquisitor General. I can't think of anybody more moral. So. But there we go. If you want to watch the rest of that, it is of course at my channel right here. Now guys, remember, we are on a streaming explosion. We are going stream crazy because guess what you get tonight? You get more.

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I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Podcast Host]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner. Partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Podcast Host]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion won. 20 billion is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Jay Dyer]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.

[Trent Horn]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's Large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit for the People.com for an office near you.

[Jay Dyer]

Toxic masculinity. After this stream as I go live with the one and the only little eights. Yes, I'm talking about Tristana herself or Z self Zimself. Tristana Zimself will be making a return immediately after the stream. Streaming with me. You got me, right? You've heard it right?

[Trent Horn]

What?

[Jay Dyer]

You actually talked Tristana Zimself coming out of retirement for a stream? I did. I do. And immediately after the stream we will be live. I am on a streamsplosion tour. That sounds weird and gross, but let's finish Trent's video here and then we will listen to his Epstein video and see where that goes. Let me tell you why, David, you're a stupid fat bastard. You're too much of a narcissistic sociopathic scum. Because by the way, how did. On what basis did Trent decide to bleep in the previous video the word but then not bleep all of scam Shamu. Like again, it's funny to me. Like what? Where's Trent's line between the words that are the bad words and then the words that are not bad words that you don't bleep out? Again, this is just funny to me as the Bible is busy talking about your mother being a. Your mother's a. You're a bastard. You're effeminate queer, you're gay and Satan's proud of you because you're a muta with the Shia tonight. Every orb on the dance floor. Dance, dance, dance, dance. Sham shamoon. Or I'm Satan, you stupid.

[Trent Horn]

Thankfully, in November, Sam asked for prayers to stop swearing and claim the insult. Your mother is a.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, right.

[Trent Horn]

Was a metaphor for his opponents being children of the. Of Babylon.

[Jay Dyer]

I have to give credit. That's actually funny. That's actually funny. I mean, Sam Schumann is absolutely batshit crazy, but that's actually funny. I mean, I'm literally. He's insane, but that's funny.

[Trent Horn]

Not a statement about his opponent's mother's literal sexual history. It seems like Sam won't use that language in the future and I hope he doesn't because most people.

[Jay Dyer]

He must be joking. Trent, surely, right? A lot. I love the grace extended by Trent to one of the absolute worst people out there. Scam Shamu. Funny how nobody else gets that same grace extended that he extends to the. One of the absolute worst offenders of what he's critiquing in this video. There's no one on the Internet worse than Sam Shamu when it comes to this topic. And it's amazing the level of grace that Trent's granting to scam Shamu. But I don't really detect that with the ortho bros or anyone else.

[Trent Horn]

People would take what he said as a literal insult and not a metaphor about their own sinfulness. When Jesus insulted people, he accurately described them as hypocrites or evil. He was.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, no, wait a minute. So now we're getting to the. When you can, according to Trent, do accurate insults. So interesting. So as long as it's accurate. So if you are in fact effeminate and soy mentally, Trent, because I'm sure you do work out, you don't seem to be physically weak. I don't know. But it's also mental weakness that I think we're talking about here. And a kind of cowardice when it comes to things like challenges on specific topics like the geopolitics of the papacy, that kind of stuff. Like, then I guess I'm off the hook, right? Because if I make fun of Talbot Swan because he's not actually a bishop any more than Tilda Swinton is a bishop, then my jokes are, get a free pass, right?

[Trent Horn]

Exposing their sin to lead them to repentance. Jesus didn't just abuse people for his own amusement or for clicks or to get out sinful wrath and anger. However, some terminally online people will say, you can be a good Christian and still go scorched earth on your opponents because Jesus whipped the money changers in the temple. But the Bible doesn't say Jesus whipped anyone. John 2:14 15 says, in the temple he found those who were selling oxen and sheep and pigeons and the money changers at their business and making a whip of cords, he drove them all with the sheep and oxen out of the temple, and he poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. Jesus is described as overturning the tables after the money changers left the temple, not throwing tables on top of them. And the clause, he drove them all with the sheep and oxen out of the temple isn't the best translation of this passage.

[Jay Dyer]

That's because so essentially, Jesus formed a whip that he didn't use. I mean, this is the absurdity of this weird twisting of the text. Like, so he formed a whip, drove them out, and just held the whip. Like, obviously it's saying that he drove them out with the whip. I mean, this is kind of ridiculous.

[Trent Horn]

Because the common Greek words for with are not in this part of the passage. The passage literally says, and having made a whip, of course, words all he drove out from the temple, both sheep and oxen.

[Jay Dyer]

This is so stupid, man. These people are like. I've noticed too, Trent is a going back even to the original debate. What Trent does is creative explanation. When there's a problem or a challenge, Trent goes to immediately concocting a way to make it work. Which is why he would have said, if you remember, to the original challenge about the death penalty, there's three different ways you might could make this work. What? Why do we need three different ways to make. What your system claims gives us certitude about faith and morals. And the death penalty is obviously a very pertinent issue of morals and ethics. Why would we need three different ways to make it work to interpret the death penalty contradiction in the Roman Catholic system? Well, in this system, Kazustri is what gets you to the top. In other words, the best people at making it work. Coming up with creative new terms, neologisms, ideas, just like scholasticism is all about. And a lot of Roman Catholic absurdities, especially if you get into Saint Alfonso, Saint Alphonsus Liguari, and for example, his many clarifications on when and how you can lie with righteous deception. Now, I don't even have a problem with there are some biblical examples of righteous deception, but the problem is that you can take that and make it a Pandora's box, as did happen in many Catholic instances in Roman Catholic history, with assassinations, which he said we shouldn't assassinate. Are you sure about that? Because your own Vatican had standing armies in the past, so I'm pretty sure the standing armies engaged in assassinating people. Trent Horn. So does that mean that the Vatican violated fundamental moral teachings when it had standing armies and assassinated people? And doesn't everyone know that during the Counter Reformation there were Catholic assassins? I'm sure Trent Horn would say that happened. We're not justifying it. Wait a minute. It happened at the Vatican, though, with standing armies. So it's not a question of did they do it and is it justified. It's a question of why was the Vatican's moral teaching, when they had standing armies or in the Crusades, that you could die in the Crusade for the papacy, A moral teaching that has now changed. That's the argument. You liar.

[Trent Horn]

And of the money changers, he poured out the coins and the tables he overthrew. Before the Council of Nicaea, only Origen commented on this verse and he said the whipping was a spiritual lesson, not an historical event.

[Jay Dyer]

Of course he would go to the gayest commentator who castrated himself. Perfect exegesis for Trent Horn, himself also.

[Trent Horn]

Presumably castrated because if Jesus really did whip people, it would reveal a reckless, lawless spirit incompatible with Christ's virtue. Argued in the Journal of Biblical Literature that the Greek grammar of John 2.

[Jay Dyer]

So now he's going into papers on did Jesus act with Trent? Are you? Well, actually, he's not. Trent's not even aware that it's Jesus that's going before the Israelites into battle. Exodus 20:3 Because Trent is a heretic and doesn't realize that the Old Testament teaches the Trinity, which he explicitly denied in our debate.

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[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

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It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Podcast Host]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion one. 20 billion is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes goes on.

[Jay Dyer]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

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[Jay Dyer]

The angel of the Lord is the person of the Son. The angel of the Lord accompanies them on their journeys and their battles in The Old Testament. So he doesn't even realize the Old Testament teaches Jesus went into battle and he's concerned with making John 2 through a bunch of random ass papers not say that Jesus formed a court. Okay, well it doesn't even matter because he went into freaking battle, you idiot.

[Trent Horn]

15 refers to Jesus using a whip to make the cattle leave, not the people. This conclusion is also reached in the article Violence, Nonviolence and the Temple incident in John 2:13 15, which notes that verse 16 reveals Jesus didn't recklessly overturn tables, but was measured to not harm the caged doves.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, so I'm confused. Does he think that Christianity is pacifist? I'm absolutely confused here because I mean fundamental Old Testament theology that understands that Jesus is the angel of the Lord clear as day. This is why he again, by the way, you understand, you guys, he's tripled down to still say that the term triad is an anti trinitarian term. He still says this again as a Eastern Catholic liturgy attendee. Trent, where his own Eastern liturgy uses the word triad for the Trinity, he still triples, quadruples down that it's an Aryan anti trinitarian term. This is so stupid. It should end his career. And all of you ignorant Roman Catholics who don't even know this still push his nonsense. This is devastating to his whole biblical theology. The Old Testament angel of the Lord, as we have shown in countless debates with the Muslims, is Jesus clear as day. Even his own crazy Roman Catholic apologist Sam Shamoon has banked his career last 20 years on that, debating the Muslims. But why would we think Trenton would understand that when he literally quadruples down that Muslims and Christians worship the same God? The very idiotic position of Trent Doherty and Vatican ii. This is the root of the problem. Trent is a heretic and heretics are the worst moral offenders because the heretic prefers his own beliefs and decisions and opinions to divine revelation. That's the greater sin than the F word. Or even touching butts. Heresy in Christian theology and classic patristic morals is a worse sin than sodomy. You as a heresy ark are destroying souls. Sodomy destroys butts and bodies and one or two souls. Heresy destroys many people's souls. And Trent Horn is a heretic. He is absolutely heterox. Why do I say that? Just to be mean? No, because after multiple corrections on fundamental terms, including that the word triad is used in his own liturgy for the Trinity, he has quadrupled down that it is not an orthodox term and it's heterodox this is mind blowing to me. He doesn't even know the Greek term for Trinity. And he's a Catholic apologist. But he also doesn't know the doctrine of the Trinity as a Catholic apologist, as none of the Catholic apologists actually do, because they teach heterodoxy. So apart from all the moral posturing and all the smoke and mirrors and the whining and the crying and the effeminacy, the root is not loving and caring about what's true first and foremost. That is the root problem of all this and other factors might be the reasons why he wouldn't do that. Namely the effeminacy, the cowardice, the intentional deceiving and doubling, quadrupling, sex, toppling down on obvious mistakes. Again, all of this would have probably gone in a much better direction if three, two, three years ago, Trent Horta simply said, you know what, Jay? You're actually correct. Triad is a basic theological term for the Trinity. You know what, Jay? You're actually correct. The Church fathers, from Justin Martyr debating Trifo all the way to Saint Maximus explicitly teach that the Old Testament God is the Trinity and that the Old Testament saints loved, worshiped and knew the Trinity, as Saint Maximus explicitly says about Abraham. Abraham worshiped the triad. Trent explicitly says he did not. That is the root of the problem. Heresy. So this has led to a person idolizing this institution, sunken cost fallacy that he's wrapped up in, causing him then to adopt multiple pre less delusion layers when the root of it is cowardice and inability to admit that you got something wrong. If he could go back and admit error. But you notice Trent has never admitted that he's ever gotten anything wrong. Now maybe at some point in a video he has. I don't watch Trent Horn content, except when we reply when he talks about us. So I don't know if there's some place where he says, oh yes, you know what? This theological thing I was totally wrong about and I have been corrected. Trent is unable to receive correction. And in Proverbs, a person who sucks, tuples down, unable to receive any correction, is a fool. And Trent has been made a fool, theologically speaking, and even by his own actions and his own standards and tests of masculinity and morality and what's appropriate in terms of jokes, he's refuted himself. Here it says, I send my angel before you. The angel will go before you to bring in Amorites, Hittites, parasites, Canaanites and Hivites. This is the same angel that pardons sins. Do Created angelic beings have the authority and the ability to create pardon sins. No, only God can forgive sins, as Jesus says to the Pharisees. So that means that the angel of the Lord here is Jesus. He's divine. That refutes Trent's heresy about the Old Testament. And it's Jesus going into battle to fight the Amorites, the Hittites, the parasites and Kenizites. Now, Trent probably don't even know that. I bet you he wasn't even aware that Exodus 23 says this. Because he's stuck defending a pacifist Jesus from John 2 with the whip and the cords. What does that even matter if he went into battle against the Canaanites? This is so preposterous. This is so insane. I can't believe that we're even having to argue this point. And this is why I've constantly harped on the fact that Trenhorn is absolutely low tier. He's super low tier. And again, what's the. The worst enemy of these people is themselves. Trent could have made a lot of progress understanding the theology at a lot deeper level, more sophisticated level, especially with the Trinity. But did he choose to do that? He chose to quadruple down. He chose to not look at any of the books that I've recommended or suggested him, including Eastern church fathers and their theology, because had he looked at even the basics. What is Palomas's book called? The Triads. He doesn't even know that Palomas's book was called. I showed him this. He still says it's an anti trinitarian term. This is insane to me. It's like right there in your face. You're wrong on a very obvious basic point. And he has quadrupled and sex tupled down. That is the problem. The pride, the inability to admit even a single mistake. That is narcissistic pride, which he ordered.

[Trent Horn]

To be taken away. Jesus also didn't hurt the cattle because a makeshift rope would have simply gotten them to move. And the animal's movement would have caused the money changers to follow them out of the temple.

[Jay Dyer]

The animals. This is so. This is ridiculous. Okay, now here we go. Oh, they're all trying to get kind of ideologically capture these different audience segments. So he sent out to capture Ned Flanders, and Ned Flanders is exactly what he captured.

[Trent Horn]

So we'll see. Can we.

[Jay Dyer]

And that's accurate, right? I mean, Trent did capture the absolute normie tier numbers audience. But again, there's a problem with the numbers normie tier stuff. They're also very fickle. And they're also very bad. Right. So would you rather have. By the way, Trent cited Joel Berry saying that like Gideon, it's better to have 300 committed people than a zillion lukewarm idiots who don't care or aren't committed. So why would Trent then turn around and be like, well, I guess I want the biggest number. And thus I will be an ecumenist apologist as I'm a Vatican stooge. Cope, cover up artist, but don't call me Ned Flanders, even though that's what I am.

[Trent Horn]

Settle on seven for charisma.

[Jay Dyer]

I think seven's fine.

[Trent Horn]

All right. He is a very intelligent guy. He's very academic, very well read. I think he's very intelligent.

[Jay Dyer]

I'd say he's not actually academic and that well read though, because if you watch our debate on natural theology, that actually gets shown to be the case.

[Trent Horn]

A nine. And then he engages in all sorts of really high level debates and always holds his own. I'd give him a nine foot debate as well.

[Jay Dyer]

See, I give him a ten on both.

[Trent Horn]

First, the Simpsons has really betrayed Ned Flanders because in the first seasons Ned was just a good.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh my gosh, is he actually going to go into defending Ned? This is so gay, dude. And by the way, he left out the part that they put me above Trent, which I think probably made him mad.

[Trent Horn]

Tirade.

[Jay Dyer]

Finally, now he's going to put the book public. We don't want. I don't care about your book, dude.

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[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

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[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Podcast Host]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion won. 20 billion is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And Each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Jay Dyer]

Awesome.

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So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247365 wow.

[Podcast Host]

Dan Morgan from Morgan Morgan, America's large injury law Firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit for the People.com for an office near you.

[Trent Horn]

We should be careful of this instinct. Christians who agree on major moral issues should stand up for one another and we should see ourselves as being on the same team.

[Jay Dyer]

But that would that include the three various ways to make the death penalty contradiction work? Like, what's the Christian position on that one?

[Trent Horn]

It doesn't mean we should give each other a free pass so we can always win. It's fair to point out how a fellow Christian is using an ineffective method, a bad method, or even an evil method to try to accomplish some good end. And we can, as Christians, point that out without our disagreement becoming an attack on the other person that I mean.

[Jay Dyer]

Who actually wanted to go into defending the. I mean, Ned. The Ned Flanders thing was a joke and Trent actually went into defending who Ned Flanders is in the Simpsons. This is so like, I guess that's why the Bishop Tilda Swinton thing didn't resonate with him. Because when I said this to him yesterday, he said, I didn't critique you for calling him a fake bishop. I critiqued you for calling him Tilda Swinton. Did you not get the joke? Dude, you're such a nerd.

[Trent Horn]

Invites a vicious counterattack. One way to do that is to privately reach out to the person we.

[Jay Dyer]

Disagree with or ask, really, when have you ever done that? Never. I've never had a private message from Trent Horn about any disagreement other than setting up our initial debate. Trent does not follow his own advice, and I'm sure that he would say, you are too morally reprehensible for me to ever reach out and touch you. Or to talk to you. Reach out and touch someone.

[Trent Horn]

The person to review our public criticism of him, as I did with Andrew for this episode. Brian Holdsworth was a great model of this recently when instead of attacking a Catholic woman on Tik Tok who had a bad take on the liturgy, he privately reached out to her and then critiqued her position without publicly Identifying her.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, let's see if Trent actually follows this advice. Okay, so again, you heard him say right there, the appropriate moral stance is to reach out when there's a private personal disagreement. Let's look at the last emails that I have from Trent Horn, who obviously has had big issues with me over the last several years. Take a look at this, because Trent is actually showing that he's deceptive and doesn't follow these policies. These are public consumption policies that he has absolutely no interest in actually following. This is for you to think and to see performative piety, when in fact Trent Horn's easily accessible emails to me, which clearly came through easily in 2021 up to 2023, include no new email until 2022 to 2023. So Trent Horn does not follow this advice. As you can see. T. [e-mail] no emails from Trent Horn about any personal issues, personal, private disagreements, nothing whatsoever. And by the way, he could have also DMed me on Twitter because I blocked him yesterday, but he was never blocked prior to that as far as I recall. So he could have also messaged me on Twitter or any other social media outlet, which it's easy to actually get in contact with me. Did he do any of that? Absolutely not. Nothing since 2023, if that is even a Trent thing that might have just included him in A B, A CC or whatever. At least as far as I'm sure 2022 appears to be the last so four years since any personal reaching out on the part of Trent Horn showing that he doesn't even follow this policy that he moralizes over. So this is public performative moralizing. And as I've told you with these Roman Catholics all the time, they are a totally different person on the back side of things, dealing with them on the public Internet. They're the nice guys dealing with them on the back end of things. They are absolute, generally speaking, snakes. Now, there's some exceptions. Tim Gordon has never done me wrong. Tim Gordon has never lied to me, never done anything deceptive, always been even in heated, heated disagreements, very heated disagreements in our debates, we were still able to go out and eat dinner, still able to have good conversations. But the nice guys Zio conversion of Catholic apologetics unilaterally decided that I was a bad person, as well as Nick Fuentes, as well as Tim Gordon apparently, as well as Joe Enders, as well as all the other people that they have in their little elite circle. And what do we see with his bff Matt? Fred? Oh, sold out to the Israeli Wire. I mean the Daily Wire. Interesting, interesting patterns there.

[Trent Horn]

In contrast, Timothy Gordon and Joe Enders recently critiqued my colleague Joe Heschmeyer and accused him of incompetently missing or deliberately hiding a papal quote that they claimed refuted his position on biblical headship and marriage.

[Jay Dyer]

I don't know if you're a poor researcher.

[Trent Horn]

I hope that. I hope, you know, I hope, I.

[Dan Morgan]

Hope in all hopes, let me just.

[Trent Horn]

Put it that way, that Joe Heschmeyer is this bad of a researcher because I'm citing the same paragraph that you cited for the right reason comment, the.

[Jay Dyer]

One that you took out of context.

[Trent Horn]

But in Joe's response to them, he noted that he did include the full quote in his original episode and showed clips of Gordon admitting he didn't even watch Joe's entire 12 minute episode before launching into an hour long critique of it.

[Jay Dyer]

Is there a better file or is this the only one? I think that's the only one. I mean it. We'd have to find it there because.

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[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, there's a whole video. There's a whole video, but it's 12 minutes. And then he spends most of his time mocking the South Pole. The feminist answer that I guess even Catholic Answers has decided to repudiate.

[Trent Horn]

I want you to notice the two.

[Jay Dyer]

Things Tim says there.

[Trent Horn]

First, he's intentionally choosing not to engage with the actual argument I'm making. He's just going to engage with the sound.

[Jay Dyer]

By the way, Joel Hashmeyer, if you'll remember, will not debate me and backed out of debating Alex Soren, another fraidy.

[Trent Horn]

Cat coward bite from it somebody put up on Twitter. And second, he's perfectly aware that the actual argument argues against a feminist rejection of male headship. So he knows all that. But how does he title his video? Catholic Answer says feminism. Okay, now does that anyway, I don't.

[Jay Dyer]

This is their inter Catholic dispute. Let's get on over here quickly to get to Trent's cope about Epstein and the Vatican. I'm looking forward to this because I want to see the creative explanations and kazustri and perhaps Trent will give us four or five options as to how we can creatively explain the relationship. Or perhaps, I'm sure there's no relationship and this is all conspiracy nonsense. But remember, this is a normie who still denies that there's any push for globalization or a new world order. He's quadrupled down on this, which tells you right away he's a fraud. He Pushes the establishment positions on everything back to stabbies, masks, all of that. I'm still a bad person because I was right about all that, but I'm still bad. Even though Trent can't admit that he's ever gotten anything wrong. That's the root of this issue. So let's listen to why Jeff Stein McAffrey in the Vatican is a nothing.

[Trent Horn]

Burger apparently long been the targets of lurid conspiracy theories. In today's episode, we're going to refute three of the silliest ones.

[Jay Dyer]

So it's lurid conspiracy theories.

[Trent Horn]

Interesting with a recent conspiracy that's been shared on social media. Number one, the Pope John Paul II Jeffrey Epstein connection. In the wake of the recent release of material from the Epstein files, some people claim Pope St. John Paul II was involved in Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking and cite this picture as evidence. This X user writes Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell being personally blessed by the Pope. Interesting. But a raised eyebrow does not an argument make. The Pope blesses thousands of people every year and he doesn't do a background check on each of them beforehand. Other people pointed to this email from.

[Jay Dyer]

Excuse me, that is not the extent of this argument. Now he chose apparently a idiotic conspiracy outlet that doesn't do much fact checking and just kind of puts out the salacious headlines. But the argument was. That one of the emails from an associate of Epstein. I wish. I hate that the freaking bookmark search just doesn't even work, man. It's so annoying. Going to show you what it actually says. You might not be able to read that. Let's see if I can find a bigger version of it. By the way, I'm going to bet you money I haven't seen this video yet. I'll bet you money he doesn't even mention the Vatican bank email because that shows an intimate knowledge of something that also points to knowledge and relationship of John Paul ii. So by the way, here's a discussion between Bannon and Epstein about quote, infiltrating the Vatican. So this tells us that there was a discussion about attempting to get in.

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[Podcast Host]

I'Ve got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Podcast Host]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Podcast Host]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion one 20 million is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Jay Dyer]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting for take your call. 247365.

[Trent Horn]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

[Jay Dyer]

Make connections. Steve is working for the, quote, purification of the church. This is some Verza woman or person talking to Epstein, talking about praying for the Pope. I don't think Epstein cares about your prayers for the Pope. But. Epstein says prawn. And then Bannon says, we will, we will take down Francis, the Clintons, Z and Francis. And then Epson says, itov, I don't know what that is. And then Bannon says, in the closet of the Vatican, which as of course, if you may or may not know. But Van Bannon over the last several years made it a point to try to get closer and closer to a lot of cardinals and prelates. Now let's look at this email, what it actually says. It says that this is an associate who comes up quite often in the emails, Richard kh And it talks about in the past. Okay, so this email is from 2015 and it says in the past, Jeff Stein, McEFY and let me make it big for you guys. That's what she said. In the past. Jeffrey spent time at the Vatican, quote, living at it with John Paul ii, discussing architectural things like columns because they had a shared interest in architecture. So this is a 2015 email discussing the past, meaning that it's not just a blessing, but it fits with the time frame of this circa 2003 blessing. So, yes, this is obviously a public meeting and blessing, but it's the same time frame that the email is reflecting back and saying they spent time there. There is a. Another email talking about arranging flights for Francis. Pope Francis, Let me see. Because I saved all these. I just had to find them. Here we see. I'm trying to organize a trip for Francis to the Middle East. Why is he organizing a trip for Pope Francis, first of all, to the Middle East? So there's another email about Epstein, or, excuse me, an admission that Epstein donated significant money to Catholic Charities and Roman Catholics are lying when there's. They say there's no connection between Catholic Charities and the Catholic Church. There absolutely is. It's a total lie. In fact, the U.S. conference for Catholic Bishops have publicly stated that they support the opposition to ICE and the bringing in of all manner of undocumented immigrants because, quote, no one is an illegal. That's what they say. So let's scroll down and I'm going to show you that. And the statement about Epstein saying, I was also gifted architectural works from John Paul ii. That also reconfirms the likelihood that the earlier emails and story about living at the Vatican discussing architecture are very likely true. True. Now, you can look this up. We've already done it. CLE did a whole stream on this. You can scroll back and find this as well. It's everywhere, by the way, online, all over Twitter. Just. It's taking me a minute to find it because it's. There's so much stuff that's been coming out. Let's see. I apologize for not having this pulled up because I didn't really know where Trent was going to go in this discussion. But we're going to debunk the easy stuff first and see if he has anything substantial going on. By the way, how come Trent isn't talking about Epstein funding all kinds of crazy stuff? Does he? We'll see. Maybe he will. Maybe we can give Trent the benefit of the doubt. Maybe I'll talk about it. I don't expect it to happen, though. Oh, here we go. Jeffrey, all went well. Any chance that you could arrange for us to meet the Pope? This is 2015. Why are people asking Jeffrey Epstein to arrange a meeting with the Pope if there's no connection? And Epstein doesn't have the ability to meet with the Pope or set these kinds of things up? So that's another. I forgot that one, actually. Yes. This is life site. Jeffrey Epstein donated. Critical funds to Catholic Charities of the Virgin Island. Interesting. And as Cleave points out, where are the Virgin Islands? Oh, they're right next to Little St. James. No, but remember, there's nothing here. Nothing to see. This is all nothing. Now, why would we think that the Roman Catholic Church might have a hand in this? Or that Catholic Charities might be connected to the Roman Catholic Church and the hierarchy? Well, how about the Bishop saying that they support this whole methodology? Cardinal Cupid and Cardinal Tobin say reject ice stand with Minnesota. This is your organized crime cult church working to destroy by open illegal activities and actions. This is illegal to support the importation of massive third worlders who are not legal people. This is a crime. These people are public criminals. They're organized crime criminal goblins. And Trent Horn is their apologist. That's why I said he is trash, because he is. He is a trash person supporting these trash. He's the defender of these trash. Now, this is another Catholic website. This is an FBI crisis report and it notes that Epstein had talked about. And again, this may be false, but it's just another piece of corroborating evidence. It says Epstein talked about the ceiling that he had, which had been donated to him by the Pope. And this is presumably back in 2000. This is 2004. Epstein claimed that the 2004 ceiling in his elevator at his New York mansion was gifted by the Pope. Now, what is the commonality here with John Paul ii? Well, architecture. And so while this may not be true, or perhaps Epstein made this up or was trying to sound cool, it does vibe with the earlier statement in the other email that he was very interested in talking architectural oddities with John Paul ii. So it does make sense that he would be gifted something like that. So let's see where Trent takes it.

[Trent Horn]

One of Epstein's assistants or associates saying that Epstein lived at the Vatican with Pope John Paul ii, implying that the Pope knew about Epstein's activities. First, people have lived with even serial killers and not even known what they were doing. So it's not surprising if some bad people lived in Vatican City and the Pope never knew about what they were doing. But the evidence that Epstein himself lived at the Vatican is as flimsy as the evidence that Epstein alive himself. In the email from 2015, 10 years after John Paul II died, some kind of contractor says he's trying to paint columns in different styles for Epstein and writes the following. He wants me to finish each column different as when he was living with Pope John Paul II in Vatican. He looked at a variety of different columns captured in wars. He told me that every Pope demanded to have a column from every conquered country. So there is a collection of different columns in Vatican, but there is no collection of columns that the Pope acquired after conquering different territories. So this is probably just a jumbled recollection of something a Roman tour guide told Epstein when he was in Rome in 2003, when John Paul II blessed him. And then he told this restoration specialist about it 10 years later. Now, John Paul II does now remember.

[Jay Dyer]

The Vatican has a its own security service. And this is admitted. This is well known. There's a Vatican Secret service. And to get close to the Pope requires some degree of background check. I don't think that's controversial. And you can verify that that's even. That shouldn't be that controversial. But according to Trent, no, they're actually just kind of hanging out there, up there with the Pope without any security or check. But how does that jive when you think about the fact that this is not the only international PDF criminal. Who was close to the Pope and even was given a prestigious honor of a papal knighthood.

[Podcast Host]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Podcast Host]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Podcast Host]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion. 120 billion is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Jay Dyer]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. Call 24, 7, 365.

[Trent Horn]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

[Trent Horn]

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[Jay Dyer]

Papal Knighted is a prestigious honor bestowed by the Pope as that of the Catholic Church for outstanding service to the church, society or charitable acts. And who got that from John Paul ii? Again, another notorious person covering up PDF stuff. Jimmy Savile, the infamous necrophiliac, Satanist, procure trafficker, disgraced broadcaster given the papal knighthood by John Paul ii. Now again, Trent would have you believe that. Oh, they just maybe just hand these out like they're just like candy, right? They're giving these out the Vatican. If you go, you know, you're a pilgrim and I've been to the Vatican, you kind of walk through in that line and they're just kind of handing out, they're tossing out papal knighthoods. Did they do a background check on this demon, Trent? Or perhaps the Vatican security service was absolutely just asleep at the wheel that day. They didn't do a background check on Jimmy Savile and they just accidentally gave him a papal knighthood. One of the worst satanic criminals in modern history. Detrent even know this? Does he even talk about this? And by the way, they've said they cannot reverse this. They will not reverse the papal knighthood to this monster. Papal honor cannot be removed. Oh yeah, it doesn't matter if you're an actual demon PDF trafficking goblin. You can't lose that papal prerogative and that special gift. I wonder if Trent's going to mention Jimmy Savile and his very close connection to John Paul ii, the supposed saint, the PDF cover up artist of the.

[Trent Horn]

Roman Catholic Church share some blame for the clergy abuse crisis in McCarrick scandal. Part of this was due to the Pope having endured the Soviet occupation of Poland where communists would use slander and lies to target people. So if someone like McCarrick denied allegations against him, John Paul II was more likely to imprudently believe these denials. But if you think a literal saint was actively involved in the sexual abuse of minors because there is a picture of him meeting one of the perpetrators at a public ceremony, then you need to log off the Internet and go see Jesus at church for a hard reset.

[Jay Dyer]

Trent, it's not just that there's a connection to Epstein, it's the other emails talking about the close connection that Epstein has to the Vatican, including arranging flights and meetings for Francis. So you cleverly left all of that out of your COPE session here. And you made no mention of other notorious PDFs who clearly have a deep connection to John Paul II. And notice his argument. If you think that a saint would do this, you're crazy. Well, maybe he's not a saint. Maybe the system that you are worshiping is actually a lie. That's the point. If we're correct, we can make sense of this data. John Paul II is part of this international clique pushing. What kind of stuff? I wonder if there's any other indicators that might suggest John Paul II has another agenda, such as praying in the synagogues and the mosques. Like the Darcy o' Brien book talks about. Now I'm going to go into a domain that Tim Gordon and Ned Flanders have no knowledge of and will probably absolutely not talk about, and that's the Mossad. And why would I talk about that? Well, obviously anybody who's had scratching surface.

[Trent Horn]

Level.

[Jay Dyer]

Analysis of what's going on with the Vatican and Epstein and all that would know that clearly Epstein has that layer of connection. But what hardly anybody has any knowledge of, and the only book I've actually seen discussing it at a serious level is the journalist and historian intelligence writer Gordon Thomas. Now Gordon Thomas is, you could say, well, he's a journalist, but he's a conspiracy theorist. Well, fine, whatever. But his books are mainline journalism. They've been New York Times bestseller type books. Right. So we're not talking about, you know, vigilant citizen.com book here. We're talking about mainline, accurate 1999 Gideon Spies. I read this, most of this book many years ago and then kind of got back into it because I started thinking, wait a minute. Actually a lot of what's going on with John Paul II and the relationship to the Jews seems to tie into what Gideon Spies writes about because there's actually a couple chapters about John Paul II and Israel and particularly the Mossad. Guess what? All of the information in Gideon Spies vibes perfectly with what we've seen in the Epstein files. Now it's under John Paul II that the nation state of Israel achieves official recognition by the Vatican. Why is that? Well, according to Gideon Thomas, it's because Mossad was not just bugging or trying to bug the Vatican. They were actively operating and working to infiltrate and work inside the Vatican and get mole spies. Etc. Interesting. Who in this same time frame, although maybe not in the 1980s or 90s, but who in the late 90s is making connections with the Vatican for the massage? Oh, Jeffrey Epstein. Now do you think Trent Horn has any knowledge of this subject? Do you think he will ever even glance at a book like this? Absolutely not. So this is where these four frauds, hucksters and cover up shills will never go. Even though this isn't even a conspiracy book, it's a mainline journalist geopolitical analyst text Gideon's Spies and you can go. Just look up. If you are lazy and you can't read, just look up the summary of the AI summary or something like that of the chapters and the sections on John Paul II's relationship to the Mossad and to the recognition of Israel.

[Trent Horn]

Argument attacking her isn't even an AD2 Jack Chick's fanatic fever dreams Jack Chick was a fundamentalist Baptist cartoonist whose tracks are probably the most widely now this.

[Jay Dyer]

Was Trent's original joke about me. He thought it was really funny to say that my take on everything was Jack Chick J. Dyer's the new Jack Chick. That was like his first joke. Not even that good of a joke, but that really bothered me. But we had our debate. I didn't care about that stupid joke. But I want you guys to notice that what we've done on this channel, and I think people are beginning to recognize this and figure it out, is we started a series 10 years ago that wasn't my first foray into this topic, but it was my first idea to do a series starting with the writings of the power elite themselves. What do they admit in their books? And we called it the Global Elite Book Series. We began with Tragedy and Hope, which is a 12, 1300 page book written by Dr. Carol Quigley, a Council on Foreign Relations archivist and historian, military historian and who was the mentor to Bill Clinton. So a very important figure. Not the top of the pyramid, but an apologist and a historian for our Western globalist elite. That was the beginning of the Global Elite series. Since that time 10 years ago, we branched out into reading dozens of Global Elite texts which admit and prove everything that we talk about, including Changing Images of man, including Zbigniew Brzezinski's books, including David Rockefeller's memoirs and books including Jacques atalie's books, including H.G. wells's books, including Bertrand Russell's books, including hosts of other Fabian socialists, geopolitical analysts, top level elites, Joseph Nye, soft power, Halford, Mackinder, Heartland, Rimland theory stuff, on and on and on to explain ad nauseam with absolute spurgitude exactitude that everything we're saying is documented and real. I don't talk about aliens, I don't believe in fringe Tartarius stuff. I only focus on what I could prove to you from the books because I was impressed when Alex Jones did that years ago. Alex would always say this is in this book, this is in that book. And when I first heard him say that, I was skeptical. I thought, they don't admit all that. That's too crazy. No, they do. Absolutely they do. In fact, it's not just those big policy books, it's also white papers. We've read extensive white papers. We've read hundreds of pages of text on DARPA and the Rand Corporation. Who else has done that? Now you've got Burmas. Yes. You've got Richard Grove. Yes. You've got Corbett. They've done some stuff like that. Yes. I'm not saying nobody else did that. Whitney Webb's done some of that. Sure. But who else in the theology sphere has done that? Nobody. No one. Everything we talk about has some global elite text you can go look up. That's what's so annoying and frustrating to me about people like Trent Horn, who are intelligent people. Trent's not a stupid person. That's not the problem. But it wouldn't take you very long. Even if you don't have the time to read all of these, which I actually did. You could go listen to my talks. Look, here's a talk on Jacques at Elise book from the 1990s about the new World Order. Who is Jacques? So you don't even know who these people are? What about Miles Copeland, famous CIA operative, wrote a whole book on how the CIA does everything in other countries. Gaminations. I lectured on that 10 years ago. What about the history of the British Empire and opium? Oh, we've lectured on that too. What about Manly P. Hall? Hey, what about actually talking to top military operators? And Trump's choice for Director of National Intelligence, Colonel McGregor, who basically vindicated my analysis of things. So wait a minute, I'm a crazy conspiracy theorist, but I'm actually talking to the guy that Trump wanted to be the Director of National Intelligence the first term. How would I do that if I'm a retarded idiot? If I don't actually read the books? Julian Huxley, Philosophy, UNESCO. Terrence McInnes Psychonaut works secret Dialect Turning Point by Friedholf Capra Anglo American Establishment. Two talks right there. History of the oss right there. History of sexionage, right there. Brave New World. On and on and on. More H.D. wells books. Brzezinski's books. Histories of the CIA, Arthur Kessler's texts. I've read multiple, multiple Arthur Kessler books. We've lectured through them. These people don't read any of this stuff. They have no knowledge of this. But they tell you that there is no global conspiracy. They're liars. Has Trent ever talked about the Frankfurt School? I studied under a person for the Frankfurt. I've lectured on Frankfurt School books. On and on and on. Anyway, there's a whole series right there for you.

[Podcast Host]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Podcast Host]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan, Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Podcast Host]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently. It said 20 billion one. 20 billion is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes, goes on.

[Jay Dyer]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan?

[Jay Dyer]

What.

[Podcast Host]

What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.

[Trent Horn]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office.

[Jay Dyer]

All right guys, we're going to be with Tristan very soon, so let's see if we can get through. Trent really quick here.

[Trent Horn]

Published comic series in the world. He's published over a billion of these little things in over 100 languages. And all of them basically say that if you don't accept Chick's particular theology, then giant faceless Jesus will send you to hell. His most famous anti Catholic tracks include the Tastefully titled death cookie about the Eucharist. Why is Mary crying? And are Catholics Christians? Where Chick claims Catholics are automatically citizens of the Holy See? Which would be awesome because if you have a Vatican passport, you can visit over 150 countries without needing a visa. Of course, that's not true. And these passports are only granted to people like cardinals who reside in Vatican City and other diplomats. But the chick.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, interesting. That again, seems to suggest a unique intelligence agency connection there with the Vatican, which again, I bet you Trent doesn't.

[Trent Horn]

Know anything about that Catholicism get even more ridiculous in the 1980 discontinued track my name in the Vatican. Chick claims that.

[Jay Dyer]

Hey, wait a minute. These conspiracies are ridiculous. Then, Trent, it should be pretty easy for you to actually come and debate this topic, which you've declined three times. So let's remember what Trent said to my challenge here. These subject matters. I don't deal with this. I'm not. I. I only dabble in this. It's not my area of research. Debate this with Tim Gordon. I only debate the papacy. Okay, but you just said that these types of crazy conspiracy theories about the Vatican, they're so preposterous. Well, shouldn't they be easy to refute? If they're ridiculous, then you should be. It should be an easy knockdown. Okay, well, hey, look, you could totally put an end to Jay Dyer right here. You could totally discredit Dyer on these crazy conspiracy. All you got to do is just come bring the Vatican heat with this Jack Chick level stuff. But then when actually challenged on that subject matter, which you just said is ridiculous. I don't do that. It's out of my wheelhouse. Oh, interesting. But it's ridiculous. And you could easily refute it.

[Trent Horn]

Name of every Protestant in the world was in the big computer in the Vatican. How did the Vatican get the name of at the time, 500 million Protestants around the world, many of whom.

[Jay Dyer]

All right, well, this is Jack Chick stuff. This is going to skip all this. Let's see, let's move on to something else. And then guys, remember, we're going to be live with Tristan right after this. We're going to transition immediately into me and beautiful Tristana Zimself Z self will be joining me to cover the toxic culture. The Epstein revelations. Where are we at Tristan's vacation, shall we say? I think it was went to Little St. James or somewhere in this the last year or so. Just kidding. Tristan's retirement and then early unretirement like share like a true diva coming back out of Retirement to do a live.

[Trent Horn]

Stream here in a moment from churches that no one's even heard of. Who knows. And the track also says the Inquisition is alive and well after killing 68 million people throughout history for heresy, which is a higher death.

[Jay Dyer]

I mean Trent, who actually takes the chick track seriously. I mean I guess this is directed at like low tier fundamentalists. So I thought this was going to be about Epstein. Like there was like two minutes passing over that. So let's skip ahead, see if there's something else here. The nun secret thing. That's. Yeah, I remember.

[Dan Morgan]

That's.

[Jay Dyer]

That's fake. That's stupid. Let's see what this is.

[Trent Horn]

And number three, silly Seventh Day Adventist conspiracies.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, this wasn't even about Epstein. So they had one little cope two minute thing not even addressing the real emails. And the overall issue with again him talking about the architectural commonalities, the planning the flights for Pope Francis, people asking him to set up meetings with Pope Francis. Then we had situation of Catholic charities getting Epstein money in a critical amount, quote unquote. We had the Savile scandal which they overlook and ignore. As if there's not other creeps like Saville connected all this. So we'll stop with the Trent stuff there. Again, we may have more stuff in the future. Again, you should go read about Jimmy Savile. He's a definitely a great holy man for sure. Definitely proves the case for John Paul II sanctity awarding the worst, one of the worst people alive at that time with a special papal honor. I'm gonna have to immediately though kind of transition out you guys to Tristan. John, did you have a comment before we go and start read the super chats, then we'll move on over to a beautiful Tristana with us. I, you know, I've been listening the whole time. But the thing that bothered me earlier, even before all of all of this, that you said, you said and that like yeah, I mean giant, giant child graping criminal international gangs for dude who said the F word and the S word. Right? That's right. Also, I am looking forward to hearing you and Tristan talk together because I am a big fan of Tristan. I know you know this. Yeah. Is it Tristana? Well, it's Tristana and. And he z identifies as Zimself now. So just get that correct. Well also, you know, it was funny and I wanted to point this out is the fake Bishop Tilde Swan. He wasn't even as mad as Trent was about, about you making a comment. Put some respect on that name, he. He like this whole thing got blown up and then that dude like. I mean at least he was man enough in his Marxist fake bishop, you know, existence. He just let it go after a day. Trent wouldn't dug it up. Yeah and by the way, it was one of the oddest things to. To. To pick as the like moral infractions. Weird. Yeah. And he, he didn't even pick any moral, you know, quote unquote moral infractions against any fellow Roman Catholics. He picked one against a Pentecostal liberation theology preacher. No, the last one was Tim Gordon. So he, he did critique Tim. Oh he did. Yeah. The last one, the last couple minutes is Tim Gordon. I. I didn't hear that part. But yeah, it's okay. I mean. Yeah, yeah, I appreciate that comment, John. That's funny. So let me read these really quick. Brandon Lee, $20. Haven't looked for any videos of yours. If you, if you do. Do you have any funny paranormal stories? We did do a couple paranormal streams. You just have to search the archives for the live streams on that. Thank you. Brandon Lee. Josiah Eli. Around $20. I made me an ass you day to the do the Georgia guidestones having to do with Epstein? Who destroyed them? Well, I don't know who destroyed them but I mean a lot of people think that it was funded and put up by Ted Turner. And Ted Turner shares the same eugenics worldview of Epstein because Epstein had that email I think with Bill Gates or something. They're talking about how can we get rid of all the poor people. So yeah, that's the depop eugenics WorldView. Reginald Dankins $5. This world looking Morrow Wind. It's ashy as hell. The Vatican ashes. Hell, Vatican. Play too much maybe play too much. Gorilla Biscuits was a 40 crush $5 Pokemon Go had a location at Epstein's Island. It was a sun clock and it was removed. Interesting. I don't know anything about that. Agrotech20 I grew up as a non missional Baptist but I've been agnostic for 15 years. My values line with Christianity. But do you know, I don't know how to reconcile the supernatural. Do you have suggestions or advice? I'm not sure what you mean by reconcile the supernatural. Do you mean you struggle with that being the case? I mean I would look into starting with our, you know, tag presuppositional kind of argumentation. Because really that question revolves around presuppositional worldview questions about what's possible, not possible and our assumptions about our worldview dictate how we're going to interpret what's possible. Not possible. So look into the tag talks that we've done. Reginald. What's up, Emilian? What's up, dog? $20 support. J diary says. Thank you so much. Tacit Tempo to know is pretty much new to this topic. I've never met actual Catholics. Really? What do you mean? All I see in my country is a culty la. Oh, you see, you must be in, like, Latin South America. This kind of content. The Jeffrey Epstein podcasts have been great. At one point, he says he wishes that he was a disease. Oh, I don't know. He said that. I think Prince or what's his name, the royal Prince Philip, uh, is famous for saying that more than once. And I've dug up those quotes. Quotes and clips. They're real, so. But I didn't know Jeff. Jeff Stein said that. Heart of personal story. What's up? Thank you for that. Let's talk God. $5. Rome gave up the military. Rome, the Roman Catholic Church, gave up its military, the cripple, the papal triple crown, and they gave up the State Religion in 1929. Lateran Treaty. By their logic, Roman Catholicism then fell. Exactly. Exactly. Their own stupid argument about military victories proving or disproving the religion then means that they are no longer the true religion. I guess. I guess that would make Islam the true religion then on their basis not understanding how deep this goes. Jeff Stein loved the Vatican so much because he knew it was the real true church. This is the Roman Catholic cope that I see. Yeah, this is a classic Roman Catholic cope. That the more evil that you see within the Roman Catholic Church actually proves it because Satan's targeting it. So by that logic, the more wicked you are, the more saintly you are. In fact, that was a actual line of argument, if you remember. Who was the whirlwind? The gay dude. You're caught up in the whirlwind, and everybody called that dude gay. And then all the Roman Catholics were like, how dare you? How dare you? And then it came out he was gay in a big gay scandal. What was that guy's name? Michael. Michael something. The whirlwind. And this is always what happens. Like, what are you talking about? I mean, even. Even the Michael Voris. Michael Voris of the whirlwind. Go ahead. I was gonna say even this. The saints that Orthodoxy wouldn't necessarily agree with would never, ever advocate for skittles. Yeah, absolutely. You think Catherine of Sienna was. Would advocate for skittles? Of course not. I mean, they were still, in an era when they would explicitly say, like Pius the Fifth does that, Trent, that that's liable to death. I've seen, I've posted this like a million times. President retard. $20. Tristana was Matthew McConaughey's stunt double in the Dragon movie. Yes. In fact, I was the first one to call that out and spot that years ago. Freezing entertainment. $5. You see that? The Vatican bank had Morningstar equities. This seems like a Vatican Lucifer ethical investment. I don't know about that. But I mean, I do recall something like Morningstar Equities. I think that comes up in the gladio stuff. Stuff. But they had a lot of shell corporations and fronts and, and the structure of. Of the Vatican Ambrosio bank stuff. It's very similar to a lot of other scandals where they create these cutouts and it makes it hard to trace where the money's going because it's just a bunch of fake companies and things in Costa Rica and whatnot. Commentator a comment tour. $5. First time watching your stream instead of just listening. I thought you were drinking water, not just doing crazy mouth noises. No, I'm. I'm doing Alps, by the way. Alps. I think they follow me, so maybe I'll get an ALP sponsorship. Now me b. $2. Aren't most male feminist creeps? Yes, Actually, Jordan Peterson's comment nailed it. He was absolutely spot on there. Seven martyrs. Jaybird, you're on point with all this hyper feminine Protestant churchmen. Tim Gordon is the only normal Roman Catholic dude that I've met. You know, Anthony from Avoiding Babylon's a cool dude. Joe Ender seems like a cool dude. I don't really know him personally, but, you know, we've had good conversations with those guys. Even with, you know, vehement disagreements, fishy film or $2 ortho seemed to be the only universal principalists. I think you could probably make that argument the only consistent ones. Eugene. $5 Jay is mean is not an argument. Well, that's the easiest way out. Right. Is to say, well, I don't have to associate with a particular mean. It's also the laziest taint.

[Trent Horn]

Nothing.

[Jay Dyer]

$5 watched your interview with Father Turbo today. It was really great. He always imparts great wisdom. Yeah, I didn't expect that to be so kind of convicting. I went into that thinking, oh, we're going to talk about Epstein and. But actually it was all a very, you know, convicting spiritual conversation. So. Shout out to Trister, by the way. Go ahead. That was awesome. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Yeah, he has a lot of. I think he has a spiritual gift to, like, convict you, which is. Which is pretty interesting. Tristan, by the way, I'm trying to rush through these, so forgive me if we. If it takes a little bit to get started on our stream, but let me finish these super chats here. Amber, $10. I'm not sure if you covered this, but the Vatican recently announced partnership with Morningstar. Okay. That somebody else mentioned this, so maybe I should look into that, because I'm not familiar with what that is. Maybe that's not the. The gladio stuff. So. And the reason I say gladio is that I made a list in the Paul Williams book that he lists all the shell front corporations that both the Banco Nebrosio and the Vatican bank were using. It's like 20. So there's all these weird names like this. So, you know, it's. It is. Now you see why both serial killers, conspiracy theorists, and the FBI in movies have giant cork boards with string, because it is very difficult to keep up with all this. Like, you read Whitney Webb's book. It's like you need the, you know, string cork board to draw all the connections, because it's a lot of stuff. Vatican Launches Catholic Stock index. What to measure ethical investments. Okay, I'm gonna have to read into this because I don't even understand what that's supposed to mean. Align your investment portfolio. Portfolio with Catholic teaching. Now, does this mean Catholic teaching when the death penalty was necessary for butt stuff? Or is this Catholic teaching nowadays where in Italy you can be a Skittles priest? I. I'd like to know what exactly the. The Vatican teaching is that my investments are supposed to line up with. Maybe we could ask Jeff Stein McGuffery what's a good thing to invest in since he, you know, he may actually be alive. And if he is, maybe we could send a couple emails. Ask Steve Bannon to send a couple emails to Jeff Stein McGuffery and get some investment advice. Because a lot of people were asking Jeffrey about investment advice, so maybe he could consult. Maybe. This sounds like actually a Jeff Stein McGuffery idea right here. He had a lot of crazy, kooky ideas. Journey of Abundance. Father Moses entered the chat. Shout out to Father Moses. Seven martyrs. We was the monarchs of the melon and magic. You may be referring to my Candace joke video. Fresh pelmeni. $5. The only masculine vice I support. The only masculine vice that I support is Miami Vice. I like that attitude. Jake guitar got $20. Your lisp thing got me laughing like a kang. Talking about.

[Podcast Host]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod.

[Jay Dyer]

Say hi Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Podcast Host]

Hey, it's going good man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Podcast Host]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion won. 20 billion is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Jay Dyer]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

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[Podcast Host]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an offer near you.

[Jay Dyer]

Leather Daddy Albrecht Fishy Filmworks $5. Orthodoxy seems the most untainted Christianity. Yep. But the do they ever get involved or invaded by the occult or these rings. Well every church, every organization will have members that get co opted and get you know, you had for example Soviet bishops installed in the Cold War. A lot of those guys got compromised. Sexual compromise, co opted, all that. Go watch my interview with Metropolitan Joan on that because he talks about the Soviets had like a tier system of not compromisable. Maybe compromisable. Totally compromised. Right. Of their. Of the various Orthodox clergy in Russia and other, you know, Baltic countries too. So yeah, that does exist. I mean you know, Orthodox Church has had sex scandals too. But I think it's the difference is that the, the scope and the gravity is way different. And I'm not excusing the skullduggery that goes on with the EP or any of that. They're. They're also very bad. Good. Godfather $2. I watched PM Show. It was funny. What's the PM Show? Fishy Foamers and dollars. God's miracles transcend natural law. Do satanic rituals work? I think sometimes they do things. I mean it's hard to explain or know exactly when but you know, you say does, does dark magic actually work? I think at the least you know, if you look at, say, Michael Aquino's book on black magic, you know, he says, let's take all this Egyptian sorcery and the principles behind Egyptian sorcery. Let's apply this to military discipline and military, you know, psyops and whatnot. So perhaps in that way you could say it's verifiable. But really I think what it works to do is dupe the person doing it, thinking that they're getting powers. And that's the, the power of the delusion. Chada, $5. Love you, Jay. Thank you. A million 20. Joe, what's your opinion about Josephus writing about Jesus in antiquities? I mean, I've cited it as a historical source and I've cited as a proof of partial preterism because he was an eyewitness to the destruction of the temple, which backs up Luke 21 and Matthew 24. But I'll. I think Josephus fell into some kind of weird cult attitude and, and some kind of strange view about some false messiah. I forget exactly what the details were, but. So I don't know that he's totally trustworthy, but he is a, a historical witness, you know, much like, you know, Titus or anybody else could be, or Titian or whoever it is that's the, you know, the other famous historical references to Jesus. I would class Josephus in that kind of category. Christo, what's up? Gifted memberships. Paul, what's up? $5 Fishy Filmworks 20. The End Times seem near. Is our. Is our time better spent pointing out influential heretics or converting atheists or shoring up our family defenses? Well, I don't, I'm not worried about the end times. Right. And we're not as orthodox supposed to be worried about it. So I don't think there is a priority to, oh, I've got to, you know, debate all the atheists. Right. As more people become orthodox, you know, you got, for example, Jim Bob is doing really good debating all the atheists. He's tearing it up. So you've got people focusing on that. I haven't really focused on the atheists in a while. I've been doing other topics, mainly got to deal with Bishop Tilda Swinton. So that's the main person we got to take down. Just kidding. Joshua Tree. $10. It boggles my mind. The elites have everything, money and power. And they're people who want to be them and they want to be with them. Why do they hurt the young? Do they worship baal? I mean, I think that amongst the elite, you can have the worship of anything. You worship yourself, Satan, baal, Moloch. Be an atheist. Like as long as you're willing to do whatever the system says and compromise you can. That's the only way to go up the chain. Crash meta religion $10. Have you ever tried to debate Jimmy Akin? I'm sure he would not do it. I think I've. I mean I've mentioned him and called him out, but I don't think it's ever been proposed as a debate topic. But how about Jimmy ain debate me on the geopolitics of the Papacy? Because he reaffirmed Trent's position during K that there's no such thing as a global Davos elite conspiracy. It doesn't exist. So he promotes the normie crap that Trent does. So he would definitely be a person to debate. So here you go, Jimmy Akin. How about I challenge you to debate the geopolitics of the Vatican and what is a better explanation for the Vatican in the 20th century and its actions? The charism of Peter and indefectibility and infallibility or the geopolitical power of the Western elites turning it to be a tool of their propaganda? And that would include, by the way, God's best trying to hurry so we can get to the Tristan show here. Thor and Thorn Shield. $10. If global power cabal elites were to come out with a official party name, would it be the Fabian Socialist, the Disenfranchising Anglo Party? Well, I think ultimately at the root core of it, they are satanic. And that's why you see for example the Jeff Simon G email about AB T O R T U R I N G the young Christian girl. That's absolute pure Satanism to defile the youth. Which by the way Crowley talks about the pure. That's like the purest form of Satanism is to do that. So that to me suggests that Jeff, Jeff Stein and the people at his sort of steering committee level and remember he was recruited into the Trilateral Commission which is the kind of above steering committee of cfr. He was recruited in that very early. And that to me suggests that there is a definite satanic element and network amongst the people at that level and they believe that they derive power from harming the most innocent. It's a principle of inversion. So if they had a party name, I mean ultimately I think the ideology is, you could say Fabian Socialist because remember the Fabian Socialists were pushing the same horrible disgusting art in the 1890s. They were way ahead of these people and pushing the same stuff but yeah, the satanic socialists. How about that v Scott $5. I stoked to finally see you say the mean girls gift that I made was the piety signaling henpeckers. And they're all saying raise your hand if JDAR victimized you. Okay, that's funny. Yes, I saw that I think on Twitter is what you're talking about. Good God the Father, $2. The Piers Morgan show was actually confirmed funny. Thank you. I think everybody thought that was funny. Orthodox. Except for Trent Horn looking for some thing to about orthodox grandma. $20. Jay. Thank you. Have you. You've helped me from my worldview. Geopolitics, theology and movie symbolism you and Father Peter hears are my go to after church and the saints of course. But your song Pentecostal. Pentecostal cracks me up. Thank you and shout out to Dr. Evo and Aussie for that one or Dr. I don't think Aussie did that but Dr. Evo's great producer there a lot of these recent jams wouldn't even exist without his production work. Zayn, what's up? He says let's go boys. He. He does the wiggle. Oh I did I do a racism Can Trent Horn expose me for doing a racism these or is $5? Too bad Jordan Maxwell wasn't around to decipher. Just to decipher the upstream files, you have to look at the names and the colors that are used and to turn them into the opposite of what they are. Namely a pterodactyle conspiracy sneed $5. I have a screen recording of the video proof that G Lane is a thing Cover for Wayfair. I don't. I mean why don't you just try to put that on Twitter? I mean why are you trying to. I don't really do people trying to send me secret information. Just put it up publicly. Dog fishy Fillmore's $2. Is there a black pope? I mean, yeah, kind of. I don't know if they're like literally calling the shots, but I mean the Jesuits do have a head of the order which historically has had varying degrees of power. I guess it's debatable to what degree they had power, but yes and no.

[Trent Horn]

All right.

[Jay Dyer]

I think we're getting towards the weave. Stico $7. Not to mention 125 pound UFC fighter could kill a bodybuilder. Yeah, good point. So just being a buff gay dude doesn't actually make you a masculine killer. To rebut some of what Trent Horror was saying. Question. Do you think Cadriano was overrated. I just don't know a lot about that. It's not a topic I've spent much. I haven't had much time to get into Romanian Iron Guard, so it's not. I just don't know much about it. Francis, $3. I was born and raised Catholic. I was in a monastery, even, for some years. I went down the set of a contest track, and then I realized it's crazy. I'm now Orthodox. Everything makes much more sense. Thank you. That's great to hear. That's the kind of good news I like to hear. Helped me a lot, hearing your backstory. God bless you and your family. Thanks, man. Appreciate that. Francis. Daniel, $5. When you were talking to Jake about Epstein, and then he got promoted at Bear Stearns because he had insider information, I think that's what happened. I mean, that seems to be the way Whitney Webb describes it in that early chapter. This would make me think of Wall street, but your stream from two years ago about the movie Wall street is vindicated. That's. Thank you. I forgot we even did a Wall street stream. But, yeah, we talked about that with Jake Shields yesterday. Ooh, here we go. Fat super chat Writer G for sets for a hundred dollars. Jay, I love your work. You're the number one reason I became Orthodox. Your knowledge, your insight are actually invaluable without a father figure. I look up to you in that way. While I definitely am not a very good father figure, but I guess I can be a sort of pale reflection of a. Oh, your father figure? What's that? George Michael? We don't want it to be in the. George Michael says, because that sounds kind of gay, but it's got a good rhythm, but in melody. But the lyrics, if you pay attention, this is kind of gay. Dude, I will be your father figure. Put your tiny hands in mine. I won't be the one who loves you till the end of time. Well, shout out to writer G for a hundred dollars. Thank you so much. Dog Bird says the best hood movie is I'm gonna get you sucking. Thank you, guys. We are gonna be. I'm gonna snatch $10. Was Epstein LARPing? I don't think you're LARPing. If you're, like, engaged in the stuff that came out the last two days, that is. That's not larping. That's serious evil, dude. Like, the most evil you can do. And, you know, for. For people to defend that, to cover up for that. That makes me say they're trash people. And maybe in the case of, you know, Trent, maybe he just doesn't even want to look at that because he's. He's too scared of where that would go. But you know what? It's. It's what's out there. So I'm not gonna act like or cover up prelates or the Vatican or any of these scum, because that's my religion. I gotta cover up for them. That's. That's. That's evil. That's. You're making yourself a moral sort of accessory. Not saying that Trent did anything actually like that. I'm saying that to cope and defend these people who are absolute. Just demons to me, makes that person a garbage person. Thanks, Christopher Scott. He says for $10. Thank you, Jay. I'm a slow boy. I get 10% of what you talk about. Thank you to Jim Bob. Thank you to Andrew. I'll be in the church around Pascal. That's great, man. It's good to hear that. God bless you. Do you think credit unions will exist after the great reset? Good question. I don't know, man. I'm just ready for bitcoin to become the norm. I don't even know about this boomer shit, like banks and credit unions. That's all boomer to me, dude. Guys, get ready. We'll be back over here with Tristan in just a few moments. Don't go anywhere.