Jesus People Podcast, Episode 53

Lisa Bevere: The Future of Gender Roles in Society

Date: January 5, 2026
Host: Ryan Miller
Guest: Lisa Bevere

Episode Overview

In this thought-provoking episode, host Ryan Miller and best-selling author and Christian leader Lisa Bevere engage in a candid discussion on gender roles, the cultural confusion surrounding identity, and the essential role of both men and women in God’s design for society. The conversation traverses Lisa's personal experiences, spiritual insights, the impact of the sexual revolution, the attack on children and the next generation, and practical wisdom for marriages and families seeking to honor God's blueprint. Bevere also calls listeners—especially women—to boldness, repentance from cultural compromise, and generational discipleship as key preparations for revival and restoration.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Origins of Gender Confusion and Cultural Backlash

Timestamps: 00:00–06:45

• Lisa relates an experience wearing a t-shirt reading "The future is male and female," triggering an unexpected and disproportionate amount of backlash on social media.
  • “Without male and female, there is no future. You would have thought I said something absolutely revolutionary… 922 comments later, I was accused of co-signing patriarchy… called a bigot, a demon of hate, transphobe, homophobe…” (03:17)
• Traces the origin of the phrase "the future is female" to a 1975 lesbian separatist group, Labrys, emphasizing its roots as a call for separation and even spiritual warfare.
• Shares a powerful, personal moment where her teenage grandson reacts to the slogan, saying, "That I am unnecessary," prompting her concerns about the damaging messages young men are receiving about their value.

2. God’s Original Design: Male and Female as Intimate Allies

Timestamps: 06:45–10:31

• Lisa unpacks Genesis, stating, "God created woman as the answer to the very first problem,” emphasizing women are “answers to be embraced, not problems to be controlled.” (07:57)
• On the coin analogy:
  • “If I was a coin collector, both sides have to be in pristine condition for that coin to hold its value… God is saying, no, I want both in their place, honored and pristine.” (08:55)
• Ryan testifies to his marriage: “My wife completes me…And from the garden, Satan has been trying to disconnect that one.” (09:35)

3. The Enemy’s Strategy: Attack on Identity, Family, and Children

Timestamps: 10:31–15:32

• Both speakers agree that cultural confusion over gender is more than a political or social issue; it is spiritual warfare targeting family and identity—“This is far more sinister than we think…an attack on the children.” (09:35–13:27)
• Lisa references biblical passages (Revelation 12:17) to argue that the attack on women is ultimately an attack on children and the future of faith.
• Ryan affirms: “I see Jesus moving toward the wounded and children—and so is the enemy… he’s crafty, he’s going to twist God’s design.” (14:10)

4. The Role of the Church and the Need for Clarity

Timestamps: 15:32–17:06

• Both speakers agree the church has failed to speak with clarity and courage on these issues out of fear of backlash or misunderstanding.
• Ryan shares the impact of Charlie Kirk’s death as a wake-up call to be bolder and clearer in public witness about sexuality and life.

5. Jesus, Empathy, and Those Struggling with Gender Identity

Timestamps: 17:06–21:49

• Lisa describes a moment of mentoring, answering the question, “What would Jesus say to someone who believes they’re born in the wrong body?”:
  • “First of all, he would look at your friend, and he would see her, and he would say, I love you. You’re not a mistake…He would understand…If anybody was ever uncomfortable in the human body, I bet Jesus was.” (17:55)
• Calls for a non-condemning approach: “We need to position people…to the One who will make everything right.” (18:52)
• Warns of the influence of social media—the “box in their hand”—as prophetically foreseen decades ago.

6. Prophetic Perspective & Hope for Revival

Timestamps: 21:49–23:32

• Lisa shares a prophecy from 1984, predicting same-sex marriage, widespread idolatry, emasculation of men, and the control of lives by smartphones—all now reality.
  • “But…the most exciting thing: He mapped out this degeneration…then said there would be one more outpouring…a revival coming to our nation.” (21:51)
• Urges courage, breaking off the “fear of man,” and preparation for revival.

7. Preparation for Revival: The Role of Women

Timestamps: 23:32–26:29

• Ryan mentions how in Iran, the revival is being led by women, and asks Lisa what women can do to prepare:
  • Read and meditate on the Word above all
  • Boldness in faith: "Women need to actually give themselves permission to learn…” (24:13)
  • Repent from cultural compromise and partnering with the “Jezebel spirit,” defined as manipulation, seduction, and control.

8. Marriage, Submission, and the “Jezebel Spirit”

Timestamps: 26:29–37:38

• Lisa tells vivid stories about her wrestle with control in marriage and God’s conviction:
  • “[God said,] You don’t think John’s a good head of the household, do you?...You think you can do it better? It’s a yoke to you, but it’s a mantle to John. Throw it off.” (31:06)
• Describes practical, sacrificial steps she took to honor and build up her husband and sons, and how women can affirm the “prince” not the “fool” in their men.

9. Practical Advice for Marriages & Family

Timestamps: 37:38–44:50

• Use strengths-focused speech toward husbands or children—“Strengths displace weaknesses.”
• Lisa advocates building husbands up in front of the children, and the importance of learning and expressing love in the other’s “language.”
• Discusses challenges when married to a non-believer or “checked out” husband, and how to let God be one’s sufficiency—“Tell me I’m enough for you…then you can speak to your husband out of the source.” (38:13)

10. The Jezebel Spirit, Modesty, and Sexual Integrity

Timestamps: 44:50–57:02

• Detailed explanation of the Jezebel spirit: A ruling, seductive force of manipulation and control active both in biblical times and today.
• Both speakers share experiences of encountering backlash for speaking about women’s modesty—Lisa: “If you want a man to listen to you for your intelligence, don’t overwhelm him with your cleavage.” (46:07)
• Lisa details her vigilance at the beach with grandkids, drawing clear lines about honoring others and guarding family environments.

11. Sexuality, Pornography, and Spiritual Warfare

Timestamps: 57:02–61:04

• Lisa and Ryan discuss how pornography and sexualized messages have a spiritual pull, often inviting demonic influence:
  • “Pornography has a demon attached to it that has a calling voice.” (55:57)
• The need to “guard” rather than “hide” from compromising media—protecting minds, marriages, future generations.

12. The Language Battle, Culture, and Divine Order

Timestamps: 61:04–73:09

• Lisa highlights how controlling language shapes culture (“my body, my choice”; “sex worker” vs. “porn star”), urging the church to reclaim biblical language and truth.
• On roles: “Submission means sub—under mission—assignment. I submit to my husband because we are under assignment together.” (68:05)
• Testifies to the power of unity—even when a husband makes a wrong decision, if the couple is united, God can redeem the outcome.

13. The Way Forward: Conversations, Community, and Generational Healing

Timestamps: 73:09–end

• The key to restoring health in society is “constant, clear, courageous conversations”—modeled by the early church and urgently needed today.
• The importance of simple, daily practices—like eating dinner as a family—to build strong, secure children and families.
• Lisa closes with a prayer and commission, blessing this generation to “start small, but believe big…step out in faith…signs and wonders and miracles…art and beauty and truth.” (75:53)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Lisa Bevere (03:17):
  “You would have thought I said something absolutely revolutionary…I got accused of co-signing with patriarchy, white patriarchy…called a bigot…a demon of hate…transphobe, homophobe.”
• Lisa Bevere (07:57):
  “God created woman as the answer to the very first problem…women are answers to be embraced, not problems to be controlled.”
• Ryan Miller (09:35):
  “My wife completes me…From the garden, Satan has been trying to disconnect that one.”
• Lisa Bevere (17:55):
  “He would look at your friend, and he would see her, and he would say, I love you. You’re not a mistake. He would understand.”
• Lisa Bevere (21:51):
  “He mapped out this degeneration of our nation…but then said afterwards there’d be one more outpouring and there’d be a revival…”
• Lisa Bevere (68:05):
  “Submission means sub—under mission—assignment. I submit to my husband because we are under assignment together.”
• Ryan Miller (54:19):
  “As the worst thing to do is to lust after your sister. Right. And if we're in the body, if we're family together, then we don't want to be doing that.”
• Lisa Bevere (75:53):
  “You do not have to have a big platform because you serve a big God. So start small, but believe big.”
• Lisa Bevere (59:14):
  “You’re illegally accessing something that was intended for marriage. You’re trading authentic intimacy for imagery. But what you behold, you become.”

Important Timestamps & Segments

• 00:00–06:45: Introduction, social media backlash, and the origins of “the future is female.”
• 06:45–10:31: Genesis and God’s original intent for male and female partnership.
• 10:31–15:32: Satan’s strategy: attack on gender, family, and children.
• 17:06–21:49: How Jesus would respond to those with gender identity struggles.
• 21:49–23:32: Overview of cultural prophecy—degeneration and hope for revival.
• 24:13–26:29: Steps for women to prepare for revival.
• 26:29–37:38: Personal stories of marriage, control, and submission; spiritual warfare.
• 44:50–57:02: Jezebel spirit, backlash over modesty, and spiritual dimensions of sexuality.
• 61:04–73:09: The language war, reclaiming biblical truth, practical advice for families, unity.
• 75:53–end: Commissioning prayer and Lisa’s prophetic blessing over the next generation.

Summary Takeaways

• God’s image is best reflected when both male and female flourish as allies, not adversaries.
• Current gender and identity confusion is deeply spiritual, not just cultural—requiring spiritual solutions: repentance, courage, and clarity in the church.
• Women are uniquely called to boldness, generational connection, and can lead in preparing for the coming revival.
• Marriage and family thrive in an atmosphere of mutual honor, sacrificial love, and roles aligned with God’s design—not cultural fads.
• Guarding hearts, homes, and children against sexualized and demonic influences is every Christian’s responsibility.
• Restoring biblical language and consistent, courageous conversations—especially intergenerationally—can shape culture and set the stage for revival.
• No platform is too small: every believer is called to start small, believe big, and expect God to bring signs, wonders, restoration, and creative renewal.

For new listeners or those considering these topics: This episode provides both a prophetic warning and a hope-filled roadmap for navigating modern confusion over gender, marriage, sexuality, and identity—always pointing back to the transformative power of Jesus and the wisdom of God's Word.