← Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne Audio Podcast
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Thank you to Kenneth Copeland Ministries for sowing the airtime for this broadcast.
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There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one that may be describing you. You may be in a sick room, you may be in a hospital room. And I want to remind you, power is present. That power is there to do a work, believe in what's not. Try to get something, but notice that he's already made it yours. It's present right where you're at. Say, I receive that power. I receive that power. I receive it right now.
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I receive it right now from the.
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Top of my head. From the top of my head. The soles of my feet. The soles of my feet. Welcome. We're so glad to have you with us today for Jesus the Healer. We are having such a good time on this series that we've been on. We've been teaching on in Christ. And when the Spirit of God said to me several months ago, he said, I want you to teach that direction. Listen, I had so few notes on it. I mean, I usually come in to film these episodes with. For one week, I want to have at least 80 to 120 pages of notes. And so whenever he said that, I go, God, I got 10 pages. And now we're. We're over 65 episodes, just turning on the camera and letting the Spirit give us utterance. And we have a few basic scriptures that we follow in front of us. But I so appreciate that God's directed us this way. So what? Because what that means is he is prescribing for all of us something that our lives need specifically. And so he's giving us utterance. And I'm so thankful that we are learning more and more about who we are in Christ, what belongs to us because we're in Christ, and what we can do because we're in Christ. Listen, God did not put us in Christ so that we could keep doing what we did before we were in Christ. He expects that our lives represent that we are in Christ in the way that we're doing. We're doing and living in a way that we never could have before, before we came into Christ. So when did we become in Christ? The day you were born again. You. You became filled with the Godhead. And I want you to know, God has so filled us with himself because he intends to manifest through us. Since we're in Christ, we don't ever again want to live apart from Him. The plan of God that He has joined to your life, it takes the Godhead to help fulfill that through you. God never joined his plan, authored a plan for your life, and then expected for it to be fulfilled upon. He authored a plan that only he could fulfill, but he has to fulfill it through us. And so just become skillful at thinking as he's in Me. And because he's in Me, I'm going to put the greater One to work through me. And how do we do that? We have to respond to who's in us. Well, how do we respond to who's in us? Well, primarily we obey him whenever he commands something of us. We obey him because he intends to perform what he commands through us. Listen, the Holy Spirit is a performer. And whenever we speak words agreeing with what God commands of our life, then the Holy Spirit will perform those words. If we take a day off from agreeing, then the Holy Spirit has to take a day off from performing. And we don't ever want to start thinking of ourselves as someone outside of Christ. But we have to train ourselves, renew our minds, and give ourselves the spiritual habit of answering and thinking as one in Christ when God commands something of us. And so the plan of God for your life is so great that it's going to take God in you to fulfill that plan through you. We're simply, if I could say this, the glove that the hand feels. And he is the one that gives our life movement and motion. Well, do we have scripture for that? Well, Acts chapter 17 and verse 28 says, in him we live, in him we move, and in him we have our being. Notice this. He didn't leave Himself out of any of that. He's the center of all of that. Our life should look like him, our movements should look like him. And our being, our entire being, spirit, soul and body should look like Him. What does that mean? That he is for our Spirit, he is for our soul, and he is for our body. He intends that all of it represent Him. So that lets us know that God is not only interested in our spiritual life because it says in him we live and move and have our being. Our being involves more than our spirit. Our being involves our mind, our soul. It involves our body, our. Well, what's that mean? God wants it to represent Him. He wants. He wants healed bodies for us. He wants sound minds for us. Minds that think in agreement with His Word. And so all of this, he has involved Himself and included Himself. But we have to respond to him who is in us. Again I said, how do we respond to the flow of being in Christ? We obey Him. We Obey His Word what He tells us in His Word. And we also obey what he directs us by His Spirit. Now we need to realize this. To fulfill the plan of God. We must be Word and Spirit people. Now why is that? Because the Word of God is God's command instruction to all of his people. So we can look in the Word and find what God is speaking to us. Because God speaks to us through His Word. But the written Word holds, as I said, instruction for every one of God's people. But the Spirit of God will take of the mind of God the wisdom of God. And he will speak things that are specific to your life. Only you know the Word tells us. My God shall supply all your need according to his riches and glory by Christ Jesus. Do you know that you can receive a house off of that verse? You can receive a job off of that verse. You can receive anything you need off of that verse. That's Philippians 4:19. My God shall supply all your need. But notice this. That verse tells you God will supply your need. But that verse doesn't tell you which house to buy. It doesn't tell you which city to live in. It doesn't tell you which job to take. It doesn't direct you in what person you should marry. Well, what does that mean? Are we left without the help in specifics? No. The Holy Spirit is the one that knows the mind of God. He knows the specifics about your life and about the plan of God for your life. And he will lead you and guide you and speak to you the specifics of your life. So we say this. We are Word people, but we're also spirit people. We have to know what the Word says, but we also have to recognize when the Spirit of God is speaking to our own spirits. Now, many times people think that every thought that they have is from God. Well, that's not true. And can I tell you this? Even when you're praying, the devil will try to insert himself because he wants to confuse you. But we have to learn to recognize the difference between our own thoughts. The devil's maybe fueling thoughts or energizing wrong thinking. Or did these thoughts come from the Spirit of God? When God speaks to you, he does not speak to your mind. He speaks to your spirit. He is a spirit, and he communicates with our spirit. But know this. Once God speaks or communicates something to our spirit, it has to float up and enlighten our mind so that we can have understanding of what our spirit knows. Do you know that your spirit knows more than your mind has caught up with. There are things that God has authored and placed in your spirit that you can't really even fully grasp with your thinking. I mean, I can think back even when I first got born again. And I would say this, I have travel in me. All I could, all I recognized is I just in ministry. I loved the traveling side. So when my husband, in 1991, God spoke to us, we were living in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and God said to my husband, I want you to go back to Southern California. Because he was raised in Southern California, he had moved for a short time in Oklahoma, and that's where we met. But God spoke to him one day and said, I want you to go back to Southern California and get in position for the last day revival. And so we moved back to Southern California. And in 1991, God spoke to my husband and said, I want you to start a church. Well, my husband said this to me. He said, God told me to start a church. And my feathers fell. You know what I mean by that? Because I knew this. My husband traveled full time, and if he was going to start a church, I knew it wasn't going to be him doing the pastoring. And he would tell me, he said, you're the pastor. I said, I'm not the pastor. Jesus didn't tell me, I'm the pastor. And so I never had any idea or thought that I would ever pastor. And so I told my husband, I said, I will help you with the church until you get an associate pastor in here that fills the pulpit when you're gone on the road traveling. And so he would tell me, he would say, you're the pastor. I said, I'm not the pastor. God never told me I'm the pastor. And you can know this. I sure wasn't asking God, am I the pastor? Because I had already assumed I knew. I assumed I knew that I wasn't a pastor because I had travel in me and there is no way other way I can articulate that. I just had the longing and the sense to travel in ministry. And so I told my husband, I will be glad to help and fill in until you get an associate pastor. The only thing I recognized, after four years, my husband wasn't shopping for an associ, an associate pastor. He did not even discuss that with me, and he didn't discuss it with anyone else. So I was doing the work of a pastor, thinking that at some point he's either going to come home and pastor this church or he's going to bring someone in to Help him pastor the church. For four years, I led the music, I did the offering, I preached the sermon. I went back and greeted the people on their exit out the door. And I did that for four years, thinking there's travel in me. And I had no idea I would be pastoring. And then after four years, we were holding a conference at our church, and a guest minister got up to preach. And when he got up to preach, I never heard a word he said because I got caught up in the Spirit. And I heard these words, do you love me? Now, I should have caught on to that. I can't tell you how I have. I've just been so shocked at myself that I did not catch on to what was coming next. Because you'll recognize that's a passage in the Bible. And I heard these words, do you love me? And I said, father, you know I love you. And then he said, then feed my sheep, Pastor. And I was stunned. But what was it that was in my spirit as well as travel was in my spirit. But my understanding hadn't caught up with that. Why hadn't it caught up with it? Because I didn't ask God. And I will tell you this. God will not force himself upon upon us if we don't ask. The word says we have not because we ask, not sometimes we have not understanding because we're not asking him about certain things. Well, why didn't I ask him about pastoring? Because I assumed I already knew. I recognized that there was travel in me, and I thought it was for that season of my life. But the travel that was in me was not just for that season. The travel that was in me was for 25 years later. Now, just because something's in your spirit doesn't mean your understanding has caught up with it. And that's what I mean when I say your spirit knows things that your mind hasn't caught up with yet. But when God speaks to you, he's going to speak to your spirit. And if you'll talk to him, if you'll invite what he knows, if you'll invite his plan to take place in your life, that which is in your spirit will float up and enlighten your mind. And then you'll know how to carry something out. So when God speaks to you, he speaks to you by his spirit, to your own human spirit. And when he does, if you will be sensitive to your own spirit, recognizing that he is dealing with you, talking with you about something, then if you'll talk with him about it, that wisdom in your Spirit will float up and enlighten your mind. But know this. When the devil speaks, what he says also arrives at the mind. So what God says floats up from your spirit and enlightens your mind. When the enemy speaks, he speaks from outside against the mind. Now, this is what we have to become skillful at. In recognizing what the Spirit of God is saying to us. We have to recognize, did that thought come up from within my spirit and float up, or did it come from the outside against my mind? Because both arrive at the mind, and we have to discern which direction did that come from? Because in discerning the direction, we can also identify who's speaking to us. Now, the Spirit of God will always speak in agreement with the word of God, and he'll always speak in agreement with the plan of God for your life. So when God speaks, it's always in agreement with his word, when he speaks to you by his spirit. Now, the devil, when he speaks, he tries to mimic what the word says. But there's always a bit of a twist. He will. Something will be off. Even when the devil supposedly is quoting scripture, something will be off when the devil has those words in his mouth. Remember this. When Jesus was in the wilderness of temptation. It's recorded in Luke chapter four. And one of the things that the enemy said, if thou be the Son of God, See the word if. If you be the Son of God. And he would take scriptures and he would twist them a little bit, then we have this. You'll remember when Paul was ministering, and I believe it's In Acts chapter 16, he is ministering. They're in a certain community. And there is a young girl, she's got a spirit of divination on her. What's that mean? Fortune telling. And she is following Paul around, and she's saying, these are servants of the most high God. They show unto us the way of salvation. Notice what she said is completely correct. They were servants of the most high God. They were showing the way unto salvation. But after many days, Paul was grieved in his spirit by what she was saying. And he turned around and cast the devil out of her. Because of that, those who were making money off of this girl as a fortune teller, they beat Paul and Silas and had him thrown in prison. That's Acts chapter 16. But notice this. This girl was saying the right thing, but it was the wrong spirit saying it through her. What's that mean? Some things from the devil can sound right, but you have to know, does that sit right with your own spirit? Paul was grieved in his spirit when he heard these words, even though they were correct words. Why? Because the source of them wasn't from God. She was yielding to a familiar spirit. That spirit was familiar with Paul, familiar with the assignment on his life and repeating it and trying to dupe him into allowing this girl to have a voice around their ministry. And Paul recognized even though the words sound correct, the source of them is not correct. And it grieved his spirit. And when the anointing came on him, he dealt with that and cast that spirit out of her. So what's this? Whenever the devil speaks, he doesn't try to sound different from what God would say. He wants to as closely mimic as possible what God says. How are we able to discern it? You have to feed on the Word and become acquainted with how the Holy Spirit sounds. Can I tell you this? The devil knows how the Holy Spirit sounds because he was with the Holy Spirit before he was cast out of heaven. He recognizes how the Spirit sounds. He knows how to mimic him as close as possible, but he's still not the Holy Spirit. And because you have the Holy Spirit in your Spirit, you can discern the difference. Don't ever be afraid that you cannot discern because you can discern. And Jesus said, my sheep know my voice. And you can say this. You have to agree with God. I know his voice. And when the devil says, no, you don't know his voice, you agree with the Word. I do know his voice. And because I know his voice, I'll not follow the voice of another. Why is that? That we understand that because to live and move as one in Christ, we have to not only know the Word, we have to know how the Spirit is, when the Spirit is speaking to us, and how he sounds. And we can become so acquainted with Him. Now, how do we become sensitive to the. To the voice of the Holy Spirit? How do we recognize when he's speaking to us? Number one, we've already said it. Feeding on the Word. Number two, if you will take time to speak in other tongues, it will make you so sensitive to the Holy Spirit who is within your spirit. And so if you will do these two things, feed on the Word, but take time to speak in other tongues, you will begin to become more and more sensitive to the Holy Spirit. Now, when you're sensitive to the Holy Spirit and we can learn as a young believer, you can be sensitive to the Holy Spirit. You don't have to walk with God for years and decades before you're sensitive. I Remember even just the early days, just days after I was born again, I remember recognizing the Holy Spirit speaking to me and why it bore witness with my spirit. There was peace in my spirit when I recognized that the Holy Ghost was saying something. When the Holy Spirit is leading you, when he's speaking to you, there will always be peace in your spirit. Even if there's a troubling in your mind, ignore that. Because God's not speaking to your mind, he's speaking to your spirit. And you can recognize the spirit of God is speaking to me and leading me. When I have peace in my spirit. If I have peace in my spirit about doing something, I do it even when my mind is trying to give me trouble. Why is that? Because the devil will always give you reasons to the mind why you shouldn't do what you have peace about in your spirit. But I've learned to just ignore my mind and follow the peace in my spirit. And so we have to realize that in him we live and in him we move. And in him we have our being. We can't move in him if we don't recognize His Word and we don't recognize His Spirit. Now what we have to understand is In Hebrews chapter 4 it tells us verse 12 that the word of God it's alive, it's quick, it's sharper than any two edged sword. I want to read it to you again. Hebrews 4:12. For the word of God is quick and powerful and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit. Look at this. The Word of God helps us divide between what came out of our soul and what came out of our spirit. Notice divide those, don't mingle those. This is where a lot of Christians think they're moving in God. That they're moving with him. When they're really moving with what came out of their soul rather than what came out of their spirit. Now remember what I said earlier is that God is going to speak to you and lead you through your spirit, not through your soul. Yet once he speaks to your spirit, it's going to float up and enlighten your mind. What is your soul? It's your mind, it's your will and your emotions. But can I tell you this? The devil has access to your soul. He will speak and give words of threatening. He'll suggest things to the mind. He tries to infiltrate the soul. But if you will renew your mind with the Word of God, you will help keep out by because you recognize that's Not God speaking to me. And it will shut the door to what the devil would say. But know this, whenever the Holy Spirit speaks to you and God is leading you to do something, the reasonings a man will try to if I could say this can become a stumbling point. If we lean to the mental instead of leaning to the Spirit. God can say something. For example, if he were to say, I want you to start a business. And then we hear that our soul can all kick in and say, our mind can kick in, our reasonings can kick in, well, I'll do that whenever this happens. Or I'll do it this, you know, after that comes to me or after this certain event happens, we will start reasoning it out why we can't or why we should do it later or why we should do it differently. And then we try to do it. But if we do it with our soul mingled into what the Spirit of God says, it won't work as it ought. So when we hear something from God, we're not to turn to the mind and reason out how we're going to walk that out. What we hear from God. If he says, I want you to start a business, then say, father, you tell me how to do it. You tell me. Don't get your reasonings involved. Because people will say, well, I thought God told me something to do, but it didn't work out right. Well, maybe he did. But then you mingled your own thinking in with what he said, and then it no longer is on target anymore. Well, see, with the Word we're to divide between soul and Spirit, not mingle the soul in with what our Spirit heard from God. So these are things that we have to recognize that what belongs to us in Christ is the leading of the Spirit. The Word of God is ours, but also to know the mind of God for our life. Because Acts 17, verse 28 cannot be fulfilled apart from the Word and the leading of the Spirit. Because in him we live and in him we move, and in him we have our being. So we must recognize what the Word is saying to us and what the Spirit of God is saying to us. So what's that mean? We are to be Word and Spirit people? Sometimes people are skillful at feeding on the Word and recognizing and confessing Scripture, but they're not as skillful as they need to be in recognizing what the Spirit of God is saying to them. Because as I said, the Word is where we get the general instructions for every believer's life. But the Holy Spirit knows the specifics about our life and that's where people make wrong decisions, is when they miss out on the specifics, many times of how God is leading. You know, before I met my husband, I was in a relationship and it was going the wrong direction. I mean, I almost married a certain person. But what, what was the rescue for me to keep me out of the wrong marriage was I locked myself up and I took time to pray in other tongues. And when I did, it became so clear this wasn't the right direction to take. But there was another direction to take many times when we missed it. Why is it we've missed it? We haven't taken time to hear the specifics from the Holy Ghost? Well, in Christ, the specifics belong to us, but it's up to us to be sensitive to the voice of the Holy Spirit and what he's leading. Do you know it is possible to never miss it again? I mean, think of that. How many times it's been expensive on our lives to miss the direction of God. Sometimes we've moved the wrong direction, sometimes got in wrong relationships, sometimes we took wrong jobs, we bought houses we shouldn't have bought. We went directions we shouldn't have gone. And then it becomes expensive. It costs us money, it costs us time. Sometimes it cost us peace, sometimes it cost us relationships. Well, it's possible to never miss it again. If we'll move in him, if we'll follow his leading. Well, the way to do that. Take time to feed on the Word, but take time to pray in the Holy Ghost until you have clarity in your spirit. Well, Pastor Nancy, how do I know if I have clarity? If you have peace about it, if you have peace in your spirit about doing something, that is the clarity to move with and that belongs to us in Christ because in him we live and move and have our being. Well, you don't want to miss next time. And until next time, remember this Jesus is the healer. God bless you.
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Holy Spirit, Nancy Dufresne instructs us how to properly respond to God as and the moving of his spirit. Order this book now@DefrainMinistries.org if you need prayer, please call our prayer line. We have trained ministers on staff who are ready to agree with you for your miracle.
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