← Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne Audio Podcast
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Nancy Dufresne
Thank you to Kenneth Copeland Ministries for sowing the airtime for this broadcast.
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There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one that may be describing you. You may be in a sick room, you may be in a hospital room. And I want to remind you, power is present. That power is there to do a work, believe in what's not. Try to get something, but notice that he's already made it yours. It's present right where you're at. Say, I receive that power. I receive that power. I receive it right now.
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I receive it right now from the.
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Top of my head. From the top of my head. The soles of my feet. The soles of my feet.
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Welcome. We're so glad to have you with us today. Thank you so much for joining us. And we are again continuing on in the series called In Christ I Can. And really where this stems from is a testimony that Brother Copeland gave. And when he gave that testimony, it just opened up a room of understanding to me. And he was talking about how God spoke to him in the early 1970s. Him and sister Gloria, they were. They were in debt, but they were learning the principles of prosperity, and God was teaching them that in their salvation was also their provision for every single need. And God spoke to him on one occasion in the early 1970s and said, I want you to sow $50,000 to Kenneth Hagin Ministries. Well, that's a large number today. But back then, 50 years ago, my goodness, you can imagine what that would have sounded like to them. And God was not trying to get something out of them. He was offering them a flow that they had not yet been in before. And so Brother Copeland had been renewing his mind to who he was in Christ, and he gave his answer to God based on who he was in Christ. And I love the skill of his answer. So simply, he just said this. He said, in Christ I have it, and in Christ I can give it. So what did he do when he went to answer that command God gave him? He went first to who he was in Christ. Now, outside of Christ, just in his own personal resources, he didn't have $50,000, but in Christ, God was offering him something that he didn't, he could not have or didn't have apart from the Christ in him. So I so love how Brother Copeland did not try to reason, he didn't try to calculate. He didn't say, well, my goodness, I don't have $50,000. Where am I going to get $50,000 from that's the reasonings of man. That's when you're trying to figure out the answer apart from God. But he didn't do that because he was renewing his mind. And he made this statement. He said, in Christ I have it, and in Christ I can give it. Now, this is what I want you to see. That in Christ you have everything. Outside of Christ, you don't have anything of Him. And so we want to live our lives from the place of we are in Him. Why? Because we have been made rich in Him. And I want you to know it's not money that makes us rich. It's who's in us. It's us being one with Him. That's our wealth. That's our abundance. And so when we see, we begin to see ourselves as one in Christ. And we make decisions and moves based on who we are in him. That elevates the way we live our life. And so Brother Copeland just took of the coins that he would receive in a day from breaking a dollar bill. And he would throw those coins at the end of every day into a box. And after several times of sending that box full of coins into Kenneth Hagin's ministry, he didn't know how much he had sent in. And he called and asked him one day, and they said, well, Brother Copeland, you've given well over $50,000. And Brother Copeland said, I know that $50,000 did not come through my coin box, but what was that? The Bible said that God, he will multiply our seed sown. Look at that. He will multiply our seed sown. Our job is just to sow the seed, and it's God's job to multiply it. Do you say, did God make counterfeit money? God multiplied the seed sown. And so he was able to fulfill that command because he not only answered as one in Christ, but he took action and he gave action that God could feel with himself. So I want you to know, in telling that I saw in Christ is everything I need. In Christ, there's only health. In Christ, there's only victory. In Christ, there's only provision and peace and joy. And there's the plan of God. There's the goodness of God, there's the mercy of God. But outside of Christ is where symptoms are. Outside of Christ is where pain is. Outside of Christ is where unpaid bills are. Outside of Christ is depression. And that which troubles the life, troubles the mind, troubles the home, troubles the family. And we get to choose. We know this. We have been raised and seated with Christ in heavenly places. But every day we have to choose. I'm going to live as one in Christ. I'm not going to live as one outside of him. And you say, well, when you say that outside of Christ is where there's pain and symptoms, are you telling me, Pastor Nancy, that if there's pain and symptoms in my body, that I'm outside of Christ? No, I'm telling you that you are authorized to say what's in Christ when something that isn't Christ tries to attach itself to your life. That you are authorized in the face of pain to say, no, you don't. Because in Christ there is no pain, in Christ there is no symptoms. And I refuse to live as one outside of Christ when in Christ is wholeness. So what does faith talk about? Faith talks about who we are in Christ. Faith talks about what we possess already in Christ. And we turn ourselves into partakers of what we possess. We, when we talk about what's ours in Christ, we're not trying to win it. We're not trying to talk God into giving it to us because he put in Christ everything He planned and dreamed for our life. And then he put Christ in us and us in Christ. So you're authorized to say, in Christ I have the home I need in Christ I have the business I need in Christ, my health is perfect in Christ I have full strength in Christ I. I know the wisdom of God in Christ I have all the help I need for this situation and these circumstances that I face. Don't speak as one outside of Christ, speak as one in Christ and it will cause everything of your life to line up with that. Now that's a spiritual habit that we have to put in place is we have to think of ourself as in Christ and we have to speak of ourselves as in Christ. And can I tell you this? When we think of ourselves and speak of ourselves in Christ, that's the. That's the end of a poor self image. People who are struggling with a self image are invited to find out who they are in Christ because that's the true identity. And our identity in Christ is the foundation of everything that is in our redemption. When we come into the understanding that I'm in Christ, Christ is in me, we come into the highest order of faith and there's no sense in us struggling to try to get something simply because we are to renew our minds. I'm not trying to get it. It's already been made mine in Christ. Amen. Well, all the things that God blesses us with, blesses us with, because we're in Christ. It's abundant and it makes life sweet. It makes life easy. But I will say this to you. The greatest thing that belongs to us in Christ and is the fellowship of God himself. It's knowing that we are loved by God. And the accuser of the brethren is constantly trying to paint us in our own eyes as failing God, as having a faith that doesn't work, that he wants to try to imply to us that the authority that we have in Christ, it doesn't work for us. But all that belongs to us in Christ is ours, whether we've been using it not so, just because we haven't maybe been using it as we ought. Pick it back up. It's still yours in Christ. I don't care how long you have been under a certain struggle. I don't care how long that a certain circumstance has tried to live with you in Christ. The answer belongs to you. So pick up your answer. Pick up and start saying, in Christ I have all the help I need. In Christ, I have everything that belongs to me that God authored for me. And start speaking as one in Christ. That's the skill of Brother Copeland's answer that he gave in Christ. I have it. He didn't wait for this realm to show him he had it. He looked into Christ and saw that in Christ was all the provision. Now think of it. Let's look at Philippians 4:19. It says this. My God shall supply all your need. Look at this. According to his riches in glory. Look at this. By Christ Jesus. So the riches are in the glory of God. And then God. The glory of God is in Christ Jesus. Then God put Christ in us. Us in Christ. What's that mean? That the glory that holds all the answers for us, it's ours because that's in Christ. Christ is the treasure box. And we can draw out of the glory of God that's in that treasure box anytime we need it. But the greatest thing for us to draw out is the love of God. When we know we're loved, we conduct ourselves differently. We conduct life differently. And it is also a protection against the accuser of the brethren, who is always trying to paint us as failures in God's eyes. But I want you to know who the failure is in God's eyes is Satan himself. Because he chose to be against God. He chose to set himself up as an enemy without a tempter and any man who has failed. They failed because they were tempted. The devil was not tempted. He just chose to be against God. He chose to be an enemy of God. But we are the family of God. We belong to Him. So the devil is constantly trying to disturb distort how God sees us or how we see ourselves. But we know this, we are loved by God. I want to read to you John chapter 15 and verse 9, the King James translation. Jesus was speaking and he said, as the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Look at this. Continue you in my love. The living Bible translation of John 15:9 says this. I have loved you even as the Father has loved me. Live within my love. Never think of yourself as outside of his love. You're in, you're within his love. And so another translation says, I have loved you just as my Father has loved you, so let me love you always. Look at that phrase, let me love you, love you always. How does the love of God show up in our lives? Well, I love something one minister said, you can't love without giving. There's no such thing as you saying, I love someone, but I won't give them this and I won't give them what they need and I won't let them have that. Love turns us into a giver. Because God is a God, is a love God and He is a giver. And so we see this, that Jesus has so much for us that he has made ours. He won for us. And he says, let me love you always. Do you know, if we don't receive the love flow, what is the love flow? Healing is a flow of the love of God. Provision is a flow of the love of God. Peace is a flow of God's love reaching our minds. Can I tell you this, that.
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The flow of the love of God will supply every single need. Now if we say, well, I don't believe in prosperity or you know, I've done too much, that that isn't good and I just can't receive my healing. Do you know that if we don't receive what he's provided for us, we're not letting him love us because love is a giver. And when we won't receive what he has provided for us, we're not letting his love manifest in our lives. In the years of ministry, I find people that will say, I have no problem being generous to someone else. What I have a problem with is being generous toward myself. Well, I tell you what, that's still a poverty mentality. And in the love of God, he wants you to have everything you long for, everything you desire not to lead you outside of his plan not to lead you off the course of what he authored for you, but he wants you to have everything you enjoy. But he doesn't want your identity attached to those things that you enjoy. He wants you to attach your identity to who you are in him. Because that's an unchanging fruit flow. Because you know something? Houses can come, houses can go, jobs can come, jobs can go, people can come, people can go. But who we are in him remains the same. And so when we find and recognize our true identity as who we are in him, we are completely untroubled by the things that change around us. But I so love that this what this one translation says In John chapter 15, verse 9, when Jesus said, I have loved you, just as my father has loved you, so let me love you always. Do you know when you're receiving healing, Father, I'm going to let you love me with the flow of your healing power. Father, I'm going to let you love me with prosperity, meeting my needs. Father, I'm going to let you love me by sitting under the pastor that teaches your word to me and helps keep me safe. But can I also tell you what another flow of the love of God is? Correction. When we're.
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If we miss.
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If God's dealing with us about something and we miss that, we don't obey that anytime we disobey God, we can open the door to the enemy. And if we've opened the door to the enemy, God will show us where we opened the door. Why? So that we can close the door. Do you know God can't close the door to the enemy for us? If we opened it, we have to close. How does God help us close it? He'll show us what we need to change. He'll show us what we need to correct. Do you know that in the love of God that correction belongs to us? It's a reward of being loved by the Father. Why do you call it a reward? It's because whenever we make corrections, we close the door to the devil. So whenever God shows us where we're missing it, we can make those adjustments. And then we close the door to the devil. Then he can't do anything to us any time he wants to. Do you know that if we draw back from God correcting us, do you know we're drawing back from the love of God? When Jesus said let me love you, could we not say this? Let me correct you. Let me show you what is harming your life. Let me show you what will put your life back on course, that is a flow of the love of God. Now, another translation of John, chapter 15 and verse 9 says this in the same way that the Father loved me, I loved you. Now live in my love. Look at this. Live in my love. Live mindful every day. God loves me. Now, what's the accuser of the brethren trying to do? He's always trying to paint, God's upset with you. God doesn't like you. God's angry with you. God's mad at you. There's a pastor friend of mine that he rented some billboards in his city. And one on one of the billboards he put these words, God is not mad at you. And he said, pastor Nancy, it was surprising. We got phone calls from other Christians who said, how dare you say that God is not mad at people? God is mad at people. Well, see, as Christians, they even thought of their father wrongly and they didn't like that. That the world was being told, God's not mad at you. And what is that? The devil has so twisted how God is seen even by his own children, that Satan, who is the accuser of the brethren, is also the accuser of God. He will accuse God of things that is not true about him. Why? To distort your view of God. You know, dad Hagin was talking about years ago when he was a young minister, there was a missionary that he knew. And this missionary had worked on the foreign field for decades. And at one point he became ill and he was brought back to the United States and he was being treated at a hospital. And he was really within days of dying. And brother. Brother Hagin was holding meetings in his. So Brother Hagin, he had a morning meeting and he had a night meeting, but he had committed that in the afternoons he would go and sit in this missionary's hospital room and just pray for him. And so Brother Hagin said, as I was sitting in the hospital room, he said, I was just sitting there praying in the spirit for this man. And he said, I had been praying for several hours on one particular day. And he said, all of a sudden, Jesus stood in front of me and he said, I've come to heal him. And he said Jesus walked over and stood by this dying man's hospital bed. And he said that. The missionary told dad Hagin later, he says, I didn't see him like you did. But he said, I knew right where he was standing. Because Brother Hagin said, this man who was bedridden and really didn't have physically the capability of getting out of the bed this man jumped out of the bed, walked over to where Jesus was, held his hands right out in front of Jesus as though he was going to receive from him. And then after a few moments, he let his hands fall. And he did not let Jesus minister to him. And so Brother Hagin encouraged him. He said, brother, he said, receive what Jesus has for you. And the man just held out his hands. And then just for a moment, then he let him fall. And Brother Hagin said, brother, he said, the power of the Lord is present. Brother Hagin said, at this time, I didn't tell him that Jesus I saw, I was seeing Jesus. But he said, I told him, the power of the Lord is present in a very special way to minister healing to you. He said, all you have to do is receive it. And the man would then hold out his hands again as though he was going to receive. Then he'd let them fall, and he'd say, I can't. And Brother Hagin said to the man, what do you mean you can't? He said, I can't receive my healing. He said, yes, you can. He said, the power of the Lord is present in a very particular way, a very special way to heal you. He said, all you have to do is receive it. So he said he'd again hold out his hands as though he's going to receive and then just do that for a moment and let it fall. And says, no, I can't receive my healing. He said, what do you mean you can't receive your healing? Yes, you can. You can receive your healing. And the man said, no, I know I can't. And he said, he turned around, got in the bed, and he said, Jesus turned to Brother Hagin and he said, he had such a look of sadness in his eyes. And Jesus said, see, I came to heal him and he won't let me. And he said, Jesus said, now he'll be dead within a certain amount of days. And that happened just as Jesus said. And then people will say, well, God took him. No, God didn't take him. Now, God received him to heaven. But God doesn't take people. He receives them to heaven, but he doesn't take them from this earth and shorten their life. What Jesus came to do was heal them. He didn't come to take him. You understand that? Why didn't this man live? He didn't receive something of him, didn't believe that the love that was to heal him was for him. If you don't, if you falter in your understanding of how much God loves you, it will affect your ability to receive from him. Now let me say that again. If you falter in your understanding of how God loves you, it will affect your ability to receive from him. Because there will be something, maybe that is, if we could say this in the back of your mind, that will rear up and keep you from being bold to receive. And the thing is that Jesus said to dad Hagin, he said, see, I came to heal him and he won't let me. Then Brother Hagin made this statement. He said, whose faith is it that caused that manifestation to happen? He said it wasn't the man on the. On the. On the hospital bed. Because he said he didn't receive that power when it came. He said, why did that power come? He said, because of the faith we were releasing for him. So see this. Even if someone prays for you, you still have to have faith enough to receive what their faith made available to you. I want you to know Jesus made available to us the love of God, the presence of God that we can access and live as children of a love throne, that we can abide in the presence of the Father who loves us. And it was Jesus who provided that access of restored fellowship to the Father. What does that mean? Get rid of any accusation. Get rid of any theft that the devil has tried to dupe you with. That God doesn't love you. He loves you. And you say, but I've done so much wrong. He doesn't love you because you do things wrong or right. He loves you because he can't help but love, because he is love. He has no other flow to. To handle you with other than a love flow. Now, just because he loves you, regardless of what you do, that doesn't mean I can stay doing the wrong thing. His love will deliver us from doing the wrong thing. Do you know that when the religious leaders brought that woman who was caught in adultery and threw her down before Jesus, they wanted to catch Jesus in his words. They said under the law of Moses. The law of Moses said, she's to be stoned. What do you say? They wanted a sentence of death on her. And you know what Jesus said? First of all, he said nothing. And then he made this statement. He said, let him who's without sin cast the first stone. Well, they all had to then look back at themselves and stop looking at someone else who was doing it wrong. And one by one, they all walked away. And her accusers were gone. And then she's left just standing there alone with Jesus. Did Jesus love her? Sure. He loved her. Did he condone what she was doing? No. Love doesn't mean you agree. Don't misunderstand me. You have to know that if you love someone, that's not saying I agree with you. And I don't have to agree with you to love you. Listen to that statement. I don't have to agree with you to love you. People will say something is hate words or hate actions are taking. No, just because I don't agree with you does not mean I don't love you. Because God loves us even when we were yet sinners. And he didn't agree with us as sinners. He didn't agree to a lifestyle of sin, but he loved us in spite of it. So love will love us when we are doing it wrong to help deliver us from doing it wrong. You understand that? And that's the difference. Love won't leave you like it felt. Love puts an expectation on us to come into line with his word. Now what did. What was Jesus response to this woman? He said to her, he said, woman, where are your accusers? She said, they're not here anymore. He said, neither do I accuse you, but look at this. Go and sin no more. He corrected her. Love did not condone or agree with her, but love corrected her. Why? Because Jesus met her accuser's hate with love. And it was the love not giving permission to her, but it was his love that delivered her from that lifestyle. I want you to know God loves you. And he loves us too much to leave us like he found us. Don't draw back from the love of God. It will bring us into the highest flow. Amen. I want you to know that the reason we're able to come to you is because of the generosity of Kenneth and Gloria Copeland that they have chosen to sow this airtime to all the programmers on the Victory channel. If this broadcast is a blessing to you, we ask you become a partner if you're not already with Kenneth Copeland Ministries. Because it keeps programs like this coming into your home. Because it's funded by the partners giving of Kenneth Copeland Ministries. And once we receive, we have an honor action to take of sowing to what we receive. So if you're not already become a partner. And you can become a partner by going to kcm.org and sign up to be a partner there. And until next time, remember this. Jesus is the healer. God bless you.
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To watch or listen to today's message and other messages by Nancy Dufresne, visit dufresneministries.org.
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If you have received a healing or have any other testimony to share with us as a result of this broadcast, we would love to hear about it. Please call us, write us or contact us through our website.
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Thank you to the friends and partners of Dufresne Ministries for making this production possible.
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We'Re excited to announce a new worship album called in youn Glory by Grant Dufresne. For more ways to listen to in youn Glory, scan the QR code on your screen.
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I want you to know that every single person in this world needs a Savior. And the greatest thing of all is that we have one. But this Savior must be welcomed. This Savior must be received. And it's so easy to receive Jesus as the Savior. The Word says that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. So right now do that with me. Say, Jesus, I receive you as my Savior. Come into my heart and be the Lord of my life, and I'll live for you all the days of my life. God bless you.