Episode Overview

Podcast: Jesus the Healer with Nancy Dufresne
Episode: 904 | In Christ I Can, Part 144
Date: December 18, 2025
Host: Nancy Dufresne (with Grant Dufresne)
Theme: This episode continues the long-running series on the believer’s identity and authority “in Christ," focusing on renewing the mind, the power of the Word, overcoming depression and fear, recognizing the strategies of the enemy, and stepping into the greater things God has called each believer to experience in Christ.

Main Discussion & Key Insights

The Power and Presence of God for Healing

• [00:10] Grant Dufresne affirms that God’s healing power is available right now, wherever you are:

  "There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one...power is present. That power is there to do a work...Say, 'I receive that power. I receive it right now.'"

The Importance of Meditating on the Word

• [00:52] Grant Dufresne and [01:55] Nancy Dufresne encourage repeated listening and meditation on biblical teaching as core to spiritual growth:

  "We can hear [truths] over and over again. And know this, this is really part of how we renew our minds, is to hear the Word over and over the same truths." (Grant, 00:52)

  • Referencing Joshua 1:8, Nancy underscores that meditating, speaking, and doing the Word leads to prosperity and success.
    • Personal Illustration: Nancy describes a time when she listened to the same Kenneth Hagin sermon 100 times over three weeks until her symptoms left:

      "The Word did the work. And so take time to feed on these episodes over and over. It's not my teaching, it's the Word." (Nancy, 03:53)

Living from Our Position “In Christ”

• Nancy presses the importance of understanding that all answers, supply, victory, and rest are found in Christ:

  "The truths of who we are in Christ...is our foundation of our redemption, and it will bring us into the highest order of faith." (Nancy, 05:07)

  • Realizing we are “filled with the One who has all the supply, all the answers that you're ever going to need” brings rest and assurance.

Arise and Shine: Overcoming Depression, Fear & Circumstances

• Nancy examines Isaiah 60:1:
  • KJV: "Arise and shine, for thy light is come..."
  • Amplified Classic: "Arise from the depression and the prostration in which circumstances have kept you. Rise to a new life."
• [09:55] Nancy Dufresne teaches practical steps to arise in our thought life, confessions, and fellowship with God:

  "You arise in your thought life, you arise in your confession, you arise in your fellowship with God, and you start enjoying the highest flow." (Nancy, 11:05)

• Depression, anxiety, and fear are described as the "low flow" of the old man—these do not belong to believers:

  "Depression is a low flow...It's the flow of the old man, but we're in Christ. So these things we need to be masterful at and skillful at not yielding to lower flows..." (Nancy, 11:50)

Giving Attention to God’s Words, Not the Enemy

• [16:30] Nancy highlights Proverbs 4:20:

  "My son, attend to my words...The devil is after something. He's after your attention. But we are to say, wait a minute, I decide to give the Word my attention."

• The battle in the mind is about attention—whether on God’s promises or the enemy’s accusations.

The Devil’s Strategy: Accusation and Inadequacy

• Nancy unpacks how the devil, as accuser, tries to undermine the believer's self-worth and faith by:
  • Reminding of faults, failures, and weaknesses (16:58–19:02).
  • Leading to feelings of inadequacy, disappointment, and depression.
• Notable point:

  "Our image is not by our performance. Our self-image is who we are in Christ. And that is a non-fluctuating position." (Nancy, 17:49)

Biblical Examples: Moses & Saul

• [19:40] Nancy recounts how Moses and Saul both responded to God’s calling with “I can’t” due to their human inadequacies:

  "His first response was to go to the inadequacies of his humanity. He was pointing back to why he couldn't. But God was not going to deliver his people through Moses' ability, but through His own ability." (Nancy, 22:32)

• God’s intention is not for us to draw from human ability, but to depend on and let His ability flow through us.
• Whenever God's plan advances, the devil brings accusations to diminish faith.

Opposition at the Door of Advancement

• [25:13] Citing 1 Corinthians 16:9, Nancy notes:

  "A great and effectual door is opened unto me...but there are many adversaries. Where are you going to encounter this opposition? At the door. What's the door? It's the place of entering into more."

• Every new season from God is often greeted by heightened opposition, aiming to deal a blow to faith.

The Essential Takeaway: Skillfulness in Christ

• We must recognize and reject the enemy’s accusations and arise in our identity and authority in Christ:

  "Every single Christian is going to have to become skillful at recognizing that when the devil is throwing all these accusations of our own inadequacies at us, it's because God is moving to bring us into more." (Nancy, 26:42)

• The episode concludes with the call to “keep continuing along this line”—remaining expectant, skillful, and advancing in Christ.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Word:
  • "The Word did the work." (Nancy, 03:53)
• On mind renewal & victory:
  • "Joshua 1:8 is the law of success. You meditate on the Word, you speak the Word, and you do the Word." (Grant, 02:46)
• On rising above oppression:
  • "Arise in your thought life. Come up to the thoughts of God. What are the thoughts of God? It's the thoughts of the Word." (Nancy, 14:29)
• On battling inadequacy:
  • "Every time that God would give them their assignment, there would always come this accusation of the enemy that they would give voice to...What is that? He was pointing to his own inadequacies. That comes from the devil." (Nancy, 23:25)

Key Segment Timestamps

• [00:10] – Grant Dufresne’s opening faith confession on healing power
• [03:53] – Nancy’s testimony: listening to a sermon 100 times for healing
• [05:00–08:00] – The foundational importance of identity in Christ and living from rest
• [09:55–15:00] – Teaching on Isaiah 60:1, arising out of depression & fear
• [16:30] – Proverbs 4:20 and the battle for attention
• [19:40–23:00] – Biblical account of Moses' and Saul’s feelings of inadequacy
• [25:13] – Adversaries at the door: entering into more
• [26:42] – The episode’s climactic takeaway: becoming skillful in recognizing the enemy and moving forward in Christ

Tone & Style

• Warm, encouraging, practical, and faith-filled
• Uses personal and biblical stories to illustrate spiritual truths
• Repetitive for emphasis—encourages the listener to “hear and hear” until faith arises
• Invites active participation—encourages confession, note-taking, and renewing the mind

Final Encouragement

The episode is a passionate call for believers to continually renew their minds to who they are in Christ, to recognize the enemy’s strategies, and to boldly move into every new season God has for them—knowing that all sufficiency, deliverance from fear and depression, and victory over inadequacy is found in Christ. The practice of meditating on the Word, guarding one’s thought life, and responding from faith is crucial to maintaining spiritual advancement.

Memorable closing:

"Remember this: Jesus is the healer. God bless you." (Nancy, 26:55)