← Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne Audio Podcast
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Thank you to Kenneth Copeland Ministries for sowing the airtime for this broadcast.
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There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one that may be describing you. You may be in a sick room, you may be in a hospital room. And I want to remind you, power is present. That power is there to do a work, believe in what's not. Try to get something, but notice that he's already made it yours. It's present right where you're at. Say I receive that power. I receive that power. I receive it right now.
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I receive it right now from the
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top of my head. From the top of my head. The soles of my feet.
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The soles of my feet.
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Welcome. We're so glad to have you with us today for Jesus the heater. Come on in and take some time around the Word with us. And we invite you. Get your Bible, get, get something to take notes on. Because we're believing God for clarity for you, for answers for you. And that the Holy Ghost will take words that are spoken and make them revelation to you. And thank God for the Holy Ghost. He turns God's words into revelation for us. And what's that mean? It means that God's Word is revealed in such a way that it lands in our spirit and it becomes a living thing to us. And it dawns on our spirit. Because when it dawns on our spirit, then that's the end of struggle in our life when we know what God says to us and we rest upon that. And how many of you know that it's not just us bare knuckling our way through life. We are to enjoy this life. God says he has given us richly all things to enjoy. And let me say this. If you're not enjoying your life, you're invited to come up higher. You're invited into learning more and finding out who you are in Christ and who he is in you. Because that's the way to really enjoy living. Because then you realize I'm not having to earn something. I'm not having to put myself over as a success. Because the success is in me. Because he is in me. And all I'm doing is I'm allowing Him to manifest and flow through me. And so we've been in this series called In Christ I Can and my goodness, we've been on it for about a year now. And I'm so grateful that the Holy Ghost has led us this way. And he's just giving us more and more light and revelation in who we are. In Christ, because really, this is the foundation of our redemption. When we learn who we are in Christ, that is going to bring us into the highest order of faith, that faith is going to flow easily. Faith is no struggle when we realize who we are in him and who he is in us, and then we draw on the greater one that's in us. Listen, it's not enough that we possess him. Listen, he has made himself our possession, that he belongs to us and we belong to Him. But it's not enough that. That we possess him. We have to learn to spend him, draw on him, give him free flow in our lives. And so we're learning to do that. And this is some of the things we're addressing in these episodes. And we say, if you've gone, if you've missed any the previous episodes in this series, go back and watch them. And I want to remind you, if an episode seems to really speak to something of a place you're at in this life, feed on that. Watch it over and over and over again, because that's one form of meditating on it. Where we started in this episode, in this series is quoting something that Brother Copeland said last year. I was in a service with him, and he told a testimony of something that happened to him and Sister Gloria in the early 1970s. They were just learning the truths of prosperity. They themselves were financially in debt, and they were beginning to discover in the Word that prosperity was part of what belonged to us in our salvation package, that it's not just in being born again. We don't just get to live in heaven, which, my goodness, what a benefit that is. But we can have heaven while we're on this earth. Do you know, really, Jesus did not talk so much about heaven as he taught us how to live heaven on this earth, bringing the. Bringing the flow of heaven to our everyday life. Well, that's what Brother. Brother Copeland and Sister Copeland were beginning to discover in the 1970s. And when they were in that place of still in debt, but learning that God wanted them to prosper in this life, God spoke to Brother Copeland and said, I want you to sow $50,000 to Kenneth Hagin's ministry. Now think of that. To someone who's in debt, someone who's just learning the truths of prosperity, how large that would sound. Listen, $50,000 is a lot in today's currency. But think about over 50 years ago, what that number would have sounded like. And Brother Copeland gave this skillful answer when he. He didn't just go to his own bank Account. He didn't go to just his own resources to see if he could fulfill that. That command from God, but he went first to who he was in Christ. And how did he answer? He said, in Christ I have it, and in Christ I can give it. So I saw immediately it dawned on me in Christ that money he could give outside of Christ, he didn't have that to give. In Christ he could give it, but in himself he couldn't give it. So Brother Copeland's skill was answering not based on who he was and based on his own resources, but he went to who Christ was in him and the resources that belonged to him because he. He was in Christ. Now, that's a renewed mind. And so Brother Copeland gave that answer. In Christ I have it. Listen, you have all when you have Christ. And he said, and in Christ I can give it. Now, if we're going to go to our mental arena, if we're going to go to the arena of reason, which is to that soulish arena, we're going to get talked out of doing some things, because the soulish arena, the arena of reason, could have said. He could have said, well, I'm in debt myself. I need 50,000 doll. Where am I going to get $50,000? If I could get $50,000, maybe I wouldn't be in debt anymore. But he did not go to that arena of reason. He went to the arena of faith. He went first to who he was in Christ. That's what faith does. When you're faced with something, when God commands something of you or when there's opposition to your life, go first to who you are in Christ and find your answer there. And that's exactly what brother Copeland did. He went to what Christ and who Christ in him. Listen, in this life, it's not what we're facing that matters. It's who we're facing that matters. And we remind ourselves he is in us. And many times people are so taken up with what is facing them, and then that difficulty, that opposition looms large in their eyes. And then they begin to lose their peace. They begin to step outside of rest. They begin to struggle because they're looking at what instead of looking at who is in them. No matter what is facing you, talk about who is in you to meet that need. And that's exactly what brother Copeland did. He went to in Christ. He went to the who before he went to the what the what was. So $50,000, but he went to who who was in him that could make that $50,000 sowing become possible. So he didn't just say, in Christ I have it, and in Christ I can give it. He then took an action, and he took what he did have, which was not enough, and he made movement with it. And then God got in that movement. And that's what the Word says, that God will multiply our seed sown. Listen, if what we had was enough, it wouldn't be a seed, it would be a harvest. So he takes the seed that is not enough, and he multiplies. He multiplies it when we sow it. So Brother Copeland, as he would go throughout the day, maybe he would take a $1 bill and buy something, and he would be given change back at the end of every day. He didn't spend that change, but he took it and threw it in a shoebox under his bed because he was just making any kind of movement to obey and fulfill what God commanded of him. This is where so many people struggle. He didn't try to. To give the 50,000 all at once and go, what am I going to do? He just took it day by day. He did what he could every day. Don't look at the whole of something, just take steps every single day. And so that's exactly what he did.
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So he took those coins, he threw them in the shoebox at the end of the day. And when that shoebox would get full, he would mail those coins off to Kenneth Hagin's ministry. He did that several times. And then after a period of time, he recognized, wait a minute, I have no idea how much I've given. So he called their ministry and said, can you tell me how much I've given? And they said to him, they said, you have given well over $50,000. And brother Copeland was stunned because he said, I know there's no way possible that $50,000 came through just the coins in my box. What was it God multiplied His seed sown. You say? Is God a counterfeiter? No, God's a multiplier. And we see that when Jesus was feeding the multitudes, he took what was not enough. He took five loaves of bread and two fish, and he blessed it and. And then he distributed it to the disciples, and the disciples distributed it to thousands of people. And there was more than enough at the end than when they started. I want you to know I've decided anytime God tells me to take on a project that I'm going to end up with more than I started with at the end of that, that if, say, if I only had $10,000 in starting it. I tell God I expect more than $10,000 when I finish it. That it's not. It's not going to look like anything left my life. But something was multiplied in my life because I obeyed your command. And that's what Jesus did. He took that bread and the fish that was not enough. He blessed it, distributed it, and it became more than enough in the action. Not in the confessing, not in the praying did it become more than enough, but in the acting. So that's what Brother Copeland did. He took those coins which were not enough, and he. He gave action. And God's multiplication power got in that action. So. So I would say this to you. If you're believing God for something and it hasn't shown up, are you acting? Are you moving? Are you giving God some action to multiply? And sometimes, if we're not careful, all we do is we sit and confess the Word. And certainly that is part of the flow of faith, because faith says something. But not only that, faith does something. And many times people just want to say something, and that be the end of it. No, faith is. Does something. And so Brother Copeland not only said something, he did something. And then God multiplied the doing. And so we have to see this, that we are to give God something to work with. We make movement with it. Amen. Now, I want us to see something. I want us to go with me, if you would. Let's go to Philippians chapter 1 and verse 11, Philippians 1:11. And Paul was writing and he made this statement, being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ unto the glory and praise of God. So notice he said we're to be filled with fruit. And what kind of fruit the fruit of righteousness? Well, our righteousness is because we're in him. So we could say it this way, be filled with the fruit of being in him. Now, isn't that something that because we're in him, we can bear fruit that we could never bear apart from him? And remember what Jesus said. He said, herein is my Father glorified that you bear much fruit. Now, you did not get saved because of works because of you producing something. We were saved because Jesus produced something. We are saved because Jesus did something. So we're saved apart from works. All that we had to do was say, I received Jesus as my Lord and Savior and that brought us into the family of God. That made us the temple of the Holy Ghost, that made us the dwelling place of God. And that was not an earned place. That was a place we received by faith. But after we're born again, God expects fruit. God expects us to do good works. God expects us to produce something. And so here, Philippians 1:11. Again, Paul said that we are to be filled with the fruits of righteousness. Notice this. Filled with fruits because we're in Him. Well, what does that mean? What is the. What are the fruits of righteousness? Well, we could say it this way. It's what the righteousness produced because we were in Him. Now Jesus made the statement, I am one with the Father, the Father's in me. So Jesus bore fruit out of his life because of his union with the Father, because of his oneness with the Father. Well, I want you to know that that's why Jesus paid the price, so we could be one with. With the Father. We, He. He. His blood was shed so that we could be cleansed and be brought into perfect union with the Father. The same place of union Jesus holds, we hold also. And so Jesus, he paid the price for our salvation so that we could come into union with the Father. And then what the Father could produce through Jesus, he could also produce through us because we have the same. Same union as Jesus has. Now Jesus bore fruits of his Father. Could we not say this? Because Jesus said, the Father in me, he does the works. So when there was a lame person, Jesus said, take up your bed and walk. And there was the fruit of that miracle. There was the fruit of healing. There was the fruit of God's power manifesting in his life. And lives were changed because Jesus was allowing the Father in him to work through him. Well, you're right with God. And because we're right with God, our lives should produce fruits of being right, fruits of righteousness. Could I say this? Fruits of oneness with the Father, fruits of union with the Father that we're not out our lives are not just producing something that we authored, but we are the channel that God is producing through so that the lives of people around us are experiencing him, they're not just experiencing us. And so we are to recognize that because we're one with him, we are to bear much fruit of righteousness. Now, In Hebrews, chapter 4, verse 16, we are commanded this, and we're invited this. Come boldly unto the throne of grace that you may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need. Now look at that verse. Let us therefore come boldly under the throne of grace. Why? So that we may obtain. Now for your life, if you need to obtain the throne, is the place of obtaining. There's no such thing as going into the presence of God and not obtaining what you need because all God is available to you. We are children of the throne. Why? Because we are one with the Father. The Father is in us. We belong to the throne, and the throne belongs to us. So we're to come boldly to the throne. What's that mean? Come boldly to that place of authority. Come boldly to the place of wisdom. Come boldly to the place of miracles. Come boldly to the place of healing. Come boldly to the place provision. And as we come boldly, what's going to happen? We're going to obtain some things. So how can we even come to the place of the throne? Because we are righteous. Because we are one with the Father. Now, when someone is unsaved, they're not right, they're not right with God. They can't come to the throne and obtain the way we can. So what are we to do? We're to go to the throne, and not just for our own behalf, but on the behalf of others. And we're to obtain for other people. And then we are to allow what God wants to manifest through us to reach the lives of those who have no place before his throne. Why? Because he wants them to come into his family. He. He so much wants to bless humanity. He wants everybody, not just his own children. He wants everyone to experience his best. He wants everyone to experience his power. He wants everyone to experience his love. But because they're not right with him, they don't have a place of the throne before him, but we do. So we take our place and then we become that channel that he can flow through. And then he is able to reach them through the channel of our righteousness. And then we bear fruits of righteousness and he's glorified. So know this. Our place at the throne doesn't just belong belong there for our benefit, but for the benefit of others. So because we're right with God, we can take the needs of others before him and lay hold of answers for them. And then we're bearing much fruit. Do you know that's what Jesus did? Every person he ministered to, do you know, none of them were born again. Why? Because he had not yet died and paid the price yet. But he went because of his oneness and union with the Father. He drew out of that place of union and he distributed God's flow, God's power, God's abundance into the life of others. And so much fruit came out of him and this is what Paul said. We are to be fruit filled with the fruits of righteousness, filled with the fruit of evidence that we're one with Him. We're to be filled with fruit in the lives of other people being changed because we are right with God. Because you're right with God, you can bring others to the throne with you. You can bring blessing from that place of God's presence and help distribute that into the lives of others. Listen, it matters what our lives are producing because we're one with Him. It's not enough to say, well, I'm right with God and bless God, my life is good. Yes, but he put you in rightness with him so that you could bless others because of your rightness with him or your righteousness with Him. And that's what we can call the fruits of righteousness, the fruits of being right. That we have. We have access to miracles that they don't have access to the unsaved. Those people who need God so desperately, they don't know how to approach him, but we do. They don't know that God invites them into his presence, but we know that. So we are to produce good works. To produce fruit. Can I say this? We did not get saved by good works. But once we're saved, good works are everything. We're not earning our place before God because of good works. We are brought into oneness. But because we are one with the Father, our life should produce good works. And know this, that we are to not just have a measure of the fruits of righteousness. Paul said we're to be filled with fruits of righteousness. So that's a degree of fruit. That's a measurement of fruit. Fullness less than full is to cheat others of what God has for them. Notice Jesus lived the kind of life so that others could experience Him. And I want you to know, because of Jesus fellowship with God, others lives were blessed. I want to go. Let's go back to. Let's look at Ephesians chapter 2 in verse 10. I'm going to read out of the King James translation first. Ephesians, chapter 2, 10. It says, for we are God's handiwork or God's workmanship. Now what does that mean, that we are God's workmanship? What did God work in us? The next phrase tells us we were created in Christ Jesus. That is the workmanship of God in us, that he put us in Christ and Christ is in us, making us one with Himself. So we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus. Look at this. Unto Good works. So the reason he put us in Christ is so we could produce good works, so that we could produce fruits of that righteousness. Now I want to read it out of the Amplified classic translation, Ephesians 2:10. The Amplified classic translation says this. For we are God's own handiwork, his workmanship. And this was the handiwork he did. He recreated us in Christ Jesus. What's that mean? We're not the old anymore. The old has passed away. We are recreated. And we are recreated in Christ Jesus. We are now one in Him. He's in us, we're in Him. And then it says this, Born anew or born again with new life, that we may do those good works. Listen. There are good works that God expects out of our lives. And we were. We were brought into him because we can produce in him what we never could produce outside of Him. So because we're in him, there's so much more that can. That God can manifest and flow through us. So look at this. He said we were born anew that we may do those good works which God predestined or God planned beforehand for us. There are good works that God planned before you were ever born, that you manifest those good works. And he will be the one manifesting them through you. You're the channel. So it's up to us to make sure that we are being the channel that God wants to. To flow through so that good works may come. And if we don't, we're not producing good works, what are we producing? You aren't born again just so you can live well. You are born again so you can produce well, so something better can flow through your life. So God planned beforehand that we're to produce good works, not to get us saved, but once we're saved, our life should show evidence that we're saved. And that's going to show up as good works. So it says, God planned beforehand these good works for us, taking paths which he prepared ahead of time that we should walk in them living the good life which he prearranged and made ready for us to live. God only authored a good life. And in those good. In that good life is works that we're to be producing. So we can't live selfish. We can't just say, well, my life looks good. Well, you know, I'm sitting at home and feeding on the word, enjoying God. But you're supposed to take that place of oneness and go out and change people's lives with that. You're to produce fruits of being right with God. You're to be that channel that his power can manifest through. So it's not enough to say my life is in order. Are you producing good works? Do you know when you go into a grocery store and you go over to the vegetable and the fruit aisle, you know what it's called? Produce. Why? Because that seed, that plant produced something so that others could be nurtured. That you're going in and you're partaking of produce because it blesses your health, it blesses your well being. Well, even so you're saved and filled with God so that you can produce something and others can partake of something that their lives need. Well, there's so much to the privilege of being one with Him. There's so much to the privilege of him being in us and us being in Him. And it's not just so we can have our needs met, but we will stand before God to answer. Did we produce fruits of being right with Him? Was God enabled to flow through us? Did we give Him a place? Did we open the door to him to produce good works through us? And we need to not just be okay with everything in my life is together. But no, I'm to produce good works. And Jesus said that we're to produce fruit and glorify our Father. Well, we don't want you to miss next time. And until next time, remember this Jesus is the healer. God bless you.
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To watch or listen to today's message and other messages by Nancy Dufresne, visit dufresneministries.org in this important book by Nancy
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Dufresne, following the Holy Spirit, you will learn how to recognize and follow the leading of the Spirit and receive God's help in every arena of your life. Order this book now at Dufresne Ministries.
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On this cd, Confessions of Healing, Nancy Dufresne begins by briefly teaching on how to speak God's Word to release the faith that's in your heart. If you or someone you know is in need of healing, this CD will be a blessing to you. Order today at defrainministries.org if you have received a healing or have any other testimony to share with us as a result of this broadcast, we would love
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to hear about it.
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Please call us, write us, or contact us through our website. We trust you've enjoyed this message. Visit us@DefrainMinistries.org to learn of our upcoming meetings, share your testimony, submit a prayer request requests, or visit our online store. Thank you to the friends and partners of dufresne Ministries for making this production possible. We invite you to join us at World Harvest church, home of Dufresne Ministries in Marietta, California, located at 23109 Palomar Street, Marietta, California. This is a Word and Spirit church. Join us in person or online Sunday morning at 10am and Tuesday nights at 7pm Pacific Time. For more information, go to defrainministries.org
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Join us for our Jesus the Healer Crusade in High Springs, Florida at Impact Family
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Church with Pastors Greg and Amy Anderson,
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March 1st through the 5th, 2026. Services begin Sunday at 6:00pm and continue through Thursday at 10:00am and 7:00pm for more information and to register for in person attendance, please visit our website at dufresneministries. Org.