A (3:04)

What happened? Like, what change? What moved the clock up? You went from 67 basically, to 64, 65.

B (3:12)

What happened for you eight years ago? I got laid off and at the time didn't have enough. Didn't ever plan on retiring because I never thought I'd have enough money. And then I ended up getting a really good job and used my severance to pay off all my bills. And then I'm like, I got a chance, so I'll just go all in on stocks. I was doing. Did really well. And then last year both my parents died and left me money, so.

A (3:38)

Oh, that's terrible. I'm sorry. I mean, it's good that you have money, but that's a lot to go through. So really your financial condition changed dramatically. That's what really has happened, right?

B (3:50)

My financial condition changed dramatically. And then my oldest daughter is disabled. Last year was a tough year for her, health wise, and also for my wife. And I realized that I don't have any time for myself anymore. So I need to do something to take care of me, because that's basically what killed my father, is taking care of my mother. And he was the healthy one. He died first. So I don't want that to happen. So I got to do something different.

A (4:19)

Okay, we're ready to do something different. So do you want to drill through this just to get like the second and third set of ears on the situation for you?

B (4:28)

Yeah.

A (4:29)

Okay, let's do that. So by the end of the year, you will be 65 or you will be.

B (4:33)

I'll be 65 in September.

A (4:35)

Okay.

B (4:36)

My wife will be 65 in August.

A (4:39)

Okay. So we'll have healthcare taken care of. Right. Okay. And your oldest daughter is how old?

B (4:45)

30. She's gonna be 38 this year.

A (4:47)

Okay. And she is taken care of by the system. When you say she's disabled, does she collect Social Security disability benefits?

B (4:56)

Yep, she collects ssi. She has a supplement. We have a supplemental needs trust that I've been funding.

A (5:03)

Okay.

B (5:04)

And that her grandparents helped fund as well. So.

A (5:07)

Okay, great. We just want like. So it sounds like you. You kind of got that stuff buckled up. So is Your wife still working, or is she also planning on retiring? She already retired. Or what? Where?

B (5:20)

She's. She's working and we're both working. We both are personal care attendants or assistants for my daughter. So because. And the IRS gives us a special dispensation on that. All that income because she lives with us. Doesn't get income tax. Doesn't get taxed for income.

A (5:43)

Okay. All right. Well, that's good to hear. Now, let's talk about the money you've saved so far. Let's just talk, first of all, about your cash on hand. How much money do you have in accessible liquid accounts?

B (5:59)

$70,000.

A (6:00)

Okay. And any brokerage account that's, you know.

B (6:04)

Just a taxable account. I've got a brokerage account that has $402,000 in it.

A (6:09)

Okay.

B (6:10)

My wife also has a brokerage account that has $33,000 in it.

A (6:16)

All right, so I can say 435 in brokerage. Okay, got it. Oh, you know what? I forgot to ask you. Other kids?

B (6:23)

Yeah, I have three other daughters, and.

A (6:25)

They'Re all grown and on their own. And are they launched?

B (6:28)

They're doing really well.

A (6:30)

Okay, great. Fully launched means that you've done an excellent job and they were lucky, I guess. Okay. And you guys own your home?

B (6:39)

Yeah.

A (6:40)

How much would you guess it's worth?

B (6:42)

$675,000.

A (6:44)

Is there a mortgage that remains?

B (6:46)

Yeah, $290,000.

A (6:48)

Okay. What's the interest rate?

B (6:50)

2.75%.

A (6:51)

Oh, boy. That's so great. Any other real estate?

B (6:55)

Nope.

A (6:55)

Okay, let's talk about the retirement assets. First of all, will either you or your wife be entitled to a pension?

B (7:02)

Yeah, I'm entitled to a small pension from two of my jobs. But I'm kind of wondering whether I should take them as an annuity or whether I should take them as a lump sum. My first one is at 70. I would get $514,000.

A (7:16)

$514,000.

B (7:18)

Sorry, sorry. 5, $514 a month, sir.

A (7:24)

Okay. Because you saw that I was quickly going to. That does not sound small. Okay. And so that's at age 70.

B (7:30)

And the second pension, it's $139 a month.

A (7:35)

Okay. And say maybe you would take the lump sum just to consolidate. Maybe that's better. I hear that. Okay, so what are the lump sum amounts available for these?

B (7:45)

Well, right now I've been working with, trying to get. Get a number out of them, but my guess is that it would be for the fighter, 14 would be roughly like 90,000. And then 130 or 4 would be like 40,000 or something. Okay.

A (8:00)

Okay, great. And what about other retirement assets?

B (8:05)

Yeah, I've got a traditional IRA with $514,000.

A (8:09)

Okay.

B (8:10)

I've got a Roth IRA with $6,400 in it.

A (8:14)

Okay.

B (8:15)

I've got a traditional 401K with $234,000 in it.

A (8:20)

Okay.

B (8:21)

I've Got a Roth IR 401 with $232,000 in it.

A (8:27)

Okay.

B (8:28)

And then I've got one inherited IRA for 165,000 and another inherited IRA for $162,000.

A (8:38)

There's, like, a lot of numbers that match up so weirdly, but. Okay. Did you include for your wife as well or.

B (8:47)

In those numbers? We've also got an HSA with $120,000.

A (8:51)

Oh, that's good.

B (8:52)

Yeah. She's got a traditional 401K with $35,000 in it, a Roth 401K with $3,800 in it.

A (9:03)

Okay.

B (9:05)

And a Roth IRA with $5,700 in it.

A (9:08)

Okay.

B (9:10)

And then she's got a savings account that has, oh, $3,000 in it.

A (9:15)

Okay, good. All right, magic question. How much money do you guys actually spend?

B (9:21)

$11,000. And that's being conservative. So.

A (9:25)

Okay, what will your Social Security benefits.

B (9:31)

Look like at 70? I'll make 5,005amonth.

A (9:38)

5,500 or just over 5,000. I just wanted to.

B (9:42)

Just over 5,000.

A (9:43)

Okay, let's say 5,000. Got it.

B (9:45)

And then my wife will make $2,200.

A (9:50)

Just to, like, tally up the. We've got the 514 and the 234 in traditional. This is yours. This is. I'm just doing a quick back of the envelope. Okay. This is all looking very good in your. Like, your. Your health, your life expectancy. Pretty good or, you know, how are you. What are you guys looking at?

B (10:13)

Both my parents are. We're in their late 80s, and my mom are. And my wife's parents are. Her dad's 93 right now. I'm still going.

A (10:24)

So do you have to help her parents at all?

B (10:27)

Thankfully, no.

A (10:28)

Okay. All right, good. So you got a bunch of money. And what would your game plan be at the end of this year? Would it be to start pulling that money out of the inherited IRA to kind of float you while for the next couple years.

B (10:44)

I mean, right now, until my daughter. We're in the process of trying to figure out next steps for my daughter, like, because, you know, after going through everything I went through with My parents, last year, my daughters have all been saying, well, what are we gonna do, you know, about my oldest daughter? You know, she can't live with you forever.

A (11:04)

Right.

B (11:04)

So we're looking at that. So until she moves out, we. We're going to be making the, you know, $85,000 or whatever a year. And that's, you know, don't have to pay income tax on that. So my guess is that, you know, and so then I was looking at it, I'm like, okay, I only need about $50,000 more.

A (11:26)

Right.

B (11:27)

So, yeah, I mean, I was looking at it from standpoint. Do I just.

A (11:29)

Just pulling out what you need from the inherited IRA beyond that 85, the whole thing.

B (11:35)

Because, I mean, I won't have any.

A (11:37)

Income next year basically until the 85 is not taxable.

B (11:42)

Right.

A (11:43)

Okay. And how long do you think your daughter will be staying with you? Do you have an. I mean, yeah, hard to say. Right.

B (11:51)

We've had. She's had a lot of health issues in the last four years, and we're trying to get her in a place where she's. We have all the health issues under control before she moves out. So, yeah, it's going to be another two or three years is my guess.

A (12:06)

So then, yeah, if it's two years, then I absolutely would do, you know, half and half, you know, like half this year, half next year from the inherited ira. Get it out, pay the tax that's due, and, you know, listen, this will actually get you, you know, I think, you know, tax wise, it's very good to have this money available. And then, you know, you will probably be able to, you know, kind of bridge the gap a little bit between now and Social Security. Right. So you'll have that money. And again, because of the unique nature of this extra 85 grand a year, what I would do with that money is I would stockpile cash. I would make sure that if you pulled the inherited IRA out and you have the 85 grand a year and you pile it all together, you probably will be net savers. Right, Right. Okay. So then with that extra savings, we. We'll just keep beefing up your savings account, that cash, that's 70 of yours, three of your wife's, but you just keep pumping it up so that in two years, when we get to the other side of having the inherited IRA distributions, you'll have money to get you through. Then you'll also be able to make different decisions about whether you start pulling money slowly out of your traditional assets. Right, right.

B (13:25)

There's One thing I forgot to tell you about too, is that this is a guy.

A (13:29)

It's like, oh, I forgot to tell.

B (13:30)

You, there's so much stuff on, on the list. All right, at 70, I can withdraw a savings plan from a previous employer. That's $211,000.

A (13:42)

Oh my God. That's a big. Forgot.

B (13:45)

Yeah, okay.

A (13:46)

All right, so what I think is you're right that you can retire this year. Okay, that, that's number one. Number two, I think that we now have sort of a tiered strategy, right, because the tiered strategy would be a, you know, essentially you would look at the inherited IRAs for the next two years while you are in this basically 0% tax bracket. Just also one little extra thing on the brokerage account, that 400 and something thousand. Just be careful that you're not creating too much tax liability there, you know.

B (14:22)

No, I'm using, I've got, there's some in money market and there's also some in alter short term bonds.

A (14:29)

Okay, good. All right, so I think that you're in great shape that you have this inherited IRA money. Get it out while there's no tax, there's no real tax event for you guys, you know, and then after that, you know, during these times, you'll have, you'll build up your savings account and look, we're going to see what situation you're in tax wise. You know, let's say from 66 and 67, you're fine, then 68, 69, 70, you can have some combination. I don't know what it's going to be of getting money out of the traditional assets, paying the tax that's due on those assets, using that to live on. Right, because we know you're going to have to take it out eventually, letting your Roth assets grow and maybe not even touching the brokerage account. But I think generating the $11,000 a year that you need is definitely doable because, you know, we have a few years here where you'll pull the money out of your traditional accounts, then you'll have this $7200 a month coming in in Social Security. And now we're talking about kind of easy peasy with this. We really are. Are you managing all of your assets yourself?

B (15:41)

Yeah, I am and I feel pretty good about it, so.

A (15:45)

Okay, great. I just want to make sure that you feel good about it, but also, you know, that you understand as you get older, if something's going on, we just need your wife on board with what's happening. You want to have communication around this. I think you're in good shape to get this done. I'm not sure. By the way, if you didn't have that 85 grand a year coming in and before you said the extra $211,000 that you forgot about, I wasn't so sure you were going to make it. But I think you can do this. Sounds like you have all of your estate stuff taken care of because I know you have the special needs trust. So that's and very important. And just because you have assets in a lot of different places, when you retire, one of the best things you can do just for management purposes is consolidate, get this all in one place. Make sure if something happened to you, your wife would know what to do and where everything was. You know, be on. Just let's, let's be methodical because there's going to be a lot of things that come into the picture and you just want to make sure that you and your wife are aligned and doesn't mean she has to manage it. She doesn't have to understand your whole strategy, but she has to know where everything is. All right, if you are like Phil and real life has called you and said, hey, let's alter the previous game plan, get in touch with us. Go to jillonmoney.com, click the contact us button, write us a note. And if you would like to join us live on the show, check the box. Mark will do everything else. While you're on the website, check out all of the great content that lives there. A lot of it is free. And don't forget that you should always, as always, remember to sign up for that free weekly newsletter. You can subscribe to us on the Odyssey app or wherever you find your favorite podcast. Please leave us a rating and review wherever you listen and of course lift someone up. Change your work, change your wealth, change your life. Thank you for listening and we'll talk to you tomorrow. Hey gang. I just made a first time ever purchase on behalf of the the pod. I was so psyched because Mark and I don't do a lot of promotional materials, but I was able to create a branded sweatshirt. Yep, a Jill on Money branded sweatshirt with Vistaprint. Now I'm not usually good at these things, but Vistaprint made it simple to bring this idea. Like, oh, wouldn't it be cool if Mark and I could create some sweatshirts that we'll try out? Maybe the listeners would want to get them as well. They've got these great design tools. They have fast shipping, human support. If you need a little guidance along the way because the sweatshirts were so easy to execute. Now I'm thinking about doing some other stuff. Maybe there's some baseball caps or, I don't know, other fun stuff that you guys would want. You'll let us know. There's a reason that over a million people trust Vistaprint for their small business print needs. Vistaprint print your possible right now, new customers get 20% off with code new20@vistaprint.com.

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