Manny (Caller) (3:43)

Good morning, Jill. Calling to see if you can help me decide how to invest some of my income and some money that I have saved over the last few years. I currently have a 401k from my employer. I have been contributing over the last eight years or so. And I started with traditional. After listening to your show, I decided to start putting into Roth.

Jill Schlesinger (4:15)

Amazing. Manny, how much do you earn right now?

Manny (Caller) (4:18)

Right now, 136,000.

Jill Schlesinger (4:22)

That's great. And how old are you?

Manny (Caller) (4:24)

I'm 45.

Jill Schlesinger (4:26)

Married, single, partnered, single, no kids. Okay, so it's just you we're just saving for. Okay. And how is the cash flow based on, you know, you got 136 grand coming in. You're putting money into the Roth now. How are you doing paying your bills? Do you feel tight? Is it good? Where are you?

Manny (Caller) (4:47)

I can pay all my bills of any. Any credit card debt or debt in general.

Jill Schlesinger (4:55)

Great. That's awesome. How much have you saved? In the traditional, 401k in the pre tax.

Manny (Caller) (5:02)

So in Traditional, currently I have around 176,000.

Jill Schlesinger (5:10)

And how about the Roth?

Manny (Caller) (5:11)

In Roth, I have 39. Around $39,000.

Jill Schlesinger (5:15)

Do you have any old IRA accounts or anything else floating around that we should know about for retirement?

Manny (Caller) (5:20)

I do have a Roth IRA and there's around 20,000.

Jill Schlesinger (5:25)

So how much are you putting into the Roth? 401k.

Manny (Caller) (5:28)

Right now I put in about $2,000 a month.

Jill Schlesinger (5:34)

Wow. You don't spend a lot of money. How much do you spend? Just in general? I mean, you're saving $2,000 a month in the Roth and also putting money into the Roth ira.

Manny (Caller) (5:43)

Yes.

Jill Schlesinger (5:45)

So you're. You're doing really well. How much do you think you spend on a monthly basis?

Manny (Caller) (5:50)

The last time I did these numbers with rent, utilities, and food, it's around 3,700.

Jill Schlesinger (6:01)

And is that any fun or is that just, like, the basics?

Manny (Caller) (6:04)

That's just the basics.

Jill Schlesinger (6:06)

All right, so maybe if we think about, you know, rent, utilities, food, and then you have some fun and maybe you go away a couple times, maybe it's five grand a month. Let's. Let's think. I think that sounds probably more realistic. How much money do you have, like, in a bank account? Just like a safe cash account.

Manny (Caller) (6:26)

So for in an emergency fund? 52,000.

Jill Schlesinger (6:30)

Great.

Manny (Caller) (6:31)

I started saving for a house, and then in that bucket, I have 6,500.

Jill Schlesinger (6:39)

So you got $52,000 in cash, but then another account is like the house down payment fund.

Manny (Caller) (6:45)

Yes.

Jill Schlesinger (6:46)

Okay, and that's 6,500.

Manny (Caller) (6:48)

Yes.

Jill Schlesinger (6:48)

Got it. Okay.

Manny (Caller) (6:50)

And then I have 54,000 also in a high yield savings account. And this was money that I saved during the pandemic.

Jill Schlesinger (7:03)

Wait a minute. Hold on a second. So 52 is just, you know, in the bank, then 54 in a high yield savings account, and then 6,500 in your house down payment fund?

Manny (Caller) (7:14)

Yes.

Jill Schlesinger (7:15)

Wow, that's incredible. So amazing. Is that it for cash?

Manny (Caller) (7:20)

That's all cash.

Jill Schlesinger (7:22)

Do you have any other assets? Like, do you have brokerage account or crypto or anything? You're a young guy, so I'm going to ask you about crypto, but do you have any other money invested?

Manny (Caller) (7:31)

I do have a brokerage account, and there's about 34,000.

Jill Schlesinger (7:37)

Great. That's amazing. Wow. Okay. You said no debt, so.

Manny (Caller) (7:45)

Yes, but no.

Jill Schlesinger (7:47)

Oh, my God, that scares me. Okay, let's go.

Manny (Caller) (7:50)

So recently I found out that. Well, let me give you the backstory.

Jill Schlesinger (7:56)

Okay.

Manny (Caller) (7:57)

Make it short. The student loans that I took to go to school were taken for a school that was on the list of schools that were part of the Swede versus Cardona now. Sweet.

Jill Schlesinger (8:12)

Oh, you mean, like, it was a. It was like one of these, like, schools that they came back and they said, oh, you got a crap degree and you should get your money back.

Manny (Caller) (8:20)

Yes, some.

Jill Schlesinger (8:21)

Okay.

Manny (Caller) (8:22)

Like that.

Jill Schlesinger (8:23)

Okay.

Manny (Caller) (8:24)

So I applied for a borrower difference to repayment under that class action lawsuit. I was informed in late December that. That my application was approved.

Jill Schlesinger (8:37)

Oh, how much money are you getting?

Manny (Caller) (8:40)

They're saying that I'm going to get $36,000 back.

Jill Schlesinger (8:45)

Wow. Holy moly. And that is not taxable. That is just $36,000 net to you?

Manny (Caller) (8:51)

Yes.

Jill Schlesinger (8:53)

That's incredible.

Manny (Caller) (8:54)

When I applied, it was in 2022. I wasn't sure if. If this was gonna go through because it's. It just sounded too good to be true. So I had an opportunity to go on a side hustle. 2022. I did that for. For a few months. And then I saved just in case the department of education denied my application. So if that was the case, I was gonna say, well, you know, that's too bad. Here's the money and we're square.

Jill Schlesinger (9:31)

This is amazing. So now you're gonna get $36,000 and you've got all this cash. Let me ask you a question, Manny. You rent. How much is your rent right now?

Manny (Caller) (9:40)

So right now it's around 2400.

Jill Schlesinger (9:45)

Do you like where you live?

Manny (Caller) (9:47)

Yeah, I do.

Jill Schlesinger (9:48)

It's like big enough. You're good. No, like, do you don't feel like, oh, I hate where I live. I want to spend my money differently. Like, it's good where you are.

Manny (Caller) (9:57)

So the area, I like the area where I live. It's a small apartment. Eventually I would like to have a bigger space.

Jill Schlesinger (10:06)

Let's say I said I'm your fairy godmother. Let's just say I have a little wand. And I say, okay, if you could get the bigger apartment that you'd like, what would the rent be for that?

Manny (Caller) (10:19)

It'll probably be just under $3,000.

Jill Schlesinger (10:23)

I'm going to say $3,000. Do you feel like moving anytime soon or not?

Manny (Caller) (10:27)

No. No.

Jill Schlesinger (10:30)

Okay. Now you have all this money and you're thinking about a house down payment. But are you sure you want to buy? Because your rent is pretty reasonable. And buying means that all this money that you have, when you've done an incredible job. Manny. Incredible. Goes to this down payment. And you'd be owning something that is, you know, could you buy a two bedroom place, an apartment that you'd be happy in? I'm sure you could, but I'm sure it would cost real money. You're in the Washington, D.C. area. Have you looked at buying and what. What it would cost you to move into something you'd want to move into for real easily.

Manny (Caller) (11:09)

Here we're talking about half a million.

Jill Schlesinger (11:11)

Oh, God, you're Crazy. Don't buy anything. That's insanity. I mean, look, I shouldn't say that. I think you've done an incredible job. If you like stumbled onto something and you're like, oh my God, it's great, I will take my hundred thousand dollars that I have because you're going to. Okay, I'm not including the cash on hand like your emergency fund. I'm looking at your high yield savings, the house down payment fund, plus your windfall of 36,000. You will have 100 grand for a down payment. Okay. Mark, can you do me a favor? Can you tell me what a $400,000 mortgage for our man Manny would be? What's the payment on a $400,000 note? Just do it at 6% for the heck of it. Let's just look at that. A 30 year fixed. What would that be, Mark?

Mark Telerso (12:03)

$2,400.

Jill Schlesinger (12:04)

Okay, so if you wanted to go look to buy something, just principal and interest will be $2,400 a month. Then on top of that, of course you'll pay taxes and there'll be maintenance and you know, it'll be about what you would get for your two bedroom. You would own. However you'd be locked down a little bit. And I don't know if you want to be locked down or not. So how does it sound to buy a half a million dollar property with your hundred thousand, lose that liquidity but own the home? How do you feel about that?

Manny (Caller) (12:39)

I have been renting for a very, very long time and maintaining a house at my age.

Jill Schlesinger (12:49)

My age?

Mark Telerso (12:49)

What are you talking about?

Jill Schlesinger (12:50)

Yeah, you're Mark's age. But let me, you're younger. I know, but you know what, he knows himself. Maybe you're feeling like, ah, I like the ease of renting, which is okay.

Manny (Caller) (13:00)

You can say that I value my piece. Okay, put it that way.

Jill Schlesinger (13:06)

I mean, listen, it's probably you're not saying you want to buy a million dollar house. I think that it's probably pretty close. You know, rents in the D.C. area will always be, you know, they'll be expensive. You're not moving, you know, to a place where you're going to spend $1,000 a month, but so too will the cost of housing. And so maybe renting is good for you. In which case then we have to say maybe what you do with, if you really decide and I'm not going to push you one way or the other. I feel like if you're like I desperately want to buy a house or if you have like I Don't know. If you have parents who are like, you should buy a house and that's going to make whatever. You're single, you have no kids, there's no obligations. Right. It's kind of nice to have the freedom of renting, which I get. But since you don't feel the pull of owning that much, I'm inclined to say, let's take this $100,000 and now you can put it into your brokerage account. You have the high yield savings. Right now you can take that house. That again, high yield savings plus the down payment fund, as well as the class action lawsuit proceeds of 36,000 gives you about $100,000. I would pop that right into my brokerage account and make that my supplemental retirement savings. I mean, that's great because for someone who doesn't make a ton of money and you do live in a high cost of living area, you've done a very good job of accumulating assets. You really have. I want to just like, make sure. So you're putting, right now, are you putting all of your retirement contributions, your 401k into Roth, or is there. Are you still putting money in the traditional?

Manny (Caller) (14:47)

It's only the employer match that goes into traditional.

Jill Schlesinger (14:50)

Great, perfect. So you're putting this two grand a month into your Roth. You're putting money into a Roth IRA. You will soon have $134,000 in your brokerage account. You've got your cash on hand. You're doing an incredible job, man. You have nothing else to pay for. You are doing a great job. Mark, is there anything that you. Any holes in this?

Mark Telerso (15:12)

No. I know he feels like he's behind and he feels like he got a late start, but why? As far as I'm concerned, that's all nonsense. Let's just say you retire at the age of 60. Fifteen years from now, you're going to have over a million and a half dollars.

Jill Schlesinger (15:23)

I really think you are in very good shape, man. I really do. And I know that there are people who you hear on this show and you're like, they have millions of dollars. You're doing a great job. You don't spend that much money. And I forgot to ask you, are you going to be entitled to any pension benefit or not? No. Fine. It doesn't matter. You're doing a great job. Yeah, this nice $36,000 windfall is great. You kicked butt during the pandemic. You saved money. You got a little side hustle. Like, it's all really good news. I don't think that someone in your situation, again, if you felt like, I really, really want to buy, or if something changed, if you said to me, jill, I found this place, it fell into my lap. I do want to buy. Fine. So what? You'll have brokerage account money. We'll sell what's in the brokerage account and you'll buy. But I would not put the pressure on myself to buy if you didn't really feel the pull. It doesn't seem like you do. Do you have any other questions for us? Do we take you off the hook.

Manny (Caller) (16:24)

On everything for contributions to the 401? Should I continue contributing 100% to Roth?

Jill Schlesinger (16:35)

Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Manny (Caller) (16:38)

Okay.

Jill Schlesinger (16:39)

Absolutely. And, you know, you feel stable in your job. Is that, has it been good for you?

Manny (Caller) (16:44)

It's. It's been great.

Jill Schlesinger (16:45)

Great. So, so much. So. So I can't believe about this class action suit. That's incredible. It's so fascinating. Like some of these things that, you know, you work so hard, you. You apply, whatever. You don't know how it's going to turn out. This one worked out really well for you. I'm sorry you had a degree that didn't pay off, but meanwhile, it didn't hurt you so much. Stay out of trouble. Use your index funds. Keep piling money into your Roth 401K, Roth IRA. If you have extra cash on hand and you want to add it to your brokerage, great, that's it. That's what you're doing. And unless you find something that really rocks your world, Manny, I would just keep on doing exactly what you're doing. I really think you're in good shape. Aunt Jill giving you a big thumbs up.

Manny (Caller) (17:30)

Okay, thank you. Thank you so much.

Jill Schlesinger (17:32)

Sound good?

Manny (Caller) (17:33)

Yes.

Jill Schlesinger (17:34)

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