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This is the manual podcast number four. Sitting here with Kerry Helton, and I'm gonna talk to you about this. You know, this is something that started in the 80s. In the 80s. This is when I grew up in the 80s. As a matter of fact, it started with CNN and it was the 24 hour news cycle. So they went from like a half an hour of news a day into this 24 hour news cycle. And once you make the news 24 hours, once you've got a channel that you're supposed to fill with news for 24 hours, then you've got to do things in order to fill that news cycle. So I got to see this transition because when I was a kid, the news only came from Walter Cronkite. Do you know who Walter Cronkite is?
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I do.
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Okay, that was it. Now, Walter Cronkite's news started as a 15 minute show, and then in 1963, it expanded to a 30 minute. We're gonna have, we're gonna talk about news for 30 minutes, right? Which by the way, with commercials, 22 minutes. So 20 in two, in 22 minutes. You knew what you needed to know about the world. And that lasted for a long time. But then I think 1980, I think it was like 1980, maybe 1981, something like that. CNN kicked it off and said, we're going to do news 24 hours a day. And, and then came the Financial News Network and then CNN2, which I think they called Headline News, and then CNBC and then Fox News and then MSNBC and then Bloomberg Television and Fox Business and Newsmax and New News Nation and one American news network. You see where I'm going with this? Not to mention you got foreign things like BBC. So there's all these channels and they're going 24 hours a day, not 22 minutes a day, 24 hours a day. And when you do that, when you want it, when you, when you got to fill 23 and a half hours a day with news, you got to create stories, you got to create drama. And you, and what you have to do is you got to keep people watching. Why are you going to keep people watching? You got to capture the attention of people. That's how you get people to watch. That's how you're going to get paid for advertising and make that skrilla. You see what I'm saying? You got to make that money. You got to get people to watch. So the way that we get people to watch, we got to draw them in. Now we know Psychologically, what's going to draw people in? We know it because when we're driving down the road and there's a car accident, why is there a traffic jam? Because there's a car accident. The car accident's been cleared to the side. Why are we slowing down? Because everyone wants to look at the car crash. That's the human nature. And that's why the press knows that if it bleeds, it leads. If we can show some freaking bloody chaos, we're gonna get people to watch, or we can show some big negativity, we're gonna get people to watch. So that's what starts happening. And, and then you got to inject the, the emotion in there, right? We got to inject some emotion in there. Because if you feel emotion, you're gonna watch. Like why would you go see a scary. You ever seen a scary movie before?
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Oh yeah.
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Do you like them? Nah. My wife can't even watch a trailer. Like she won't even watch a trailer to a horror movie. She'll run away, right? But my. And like Rana, she'll go, my daughter, she'll go to a movie, a horror movie, and she'll. I'll say, oh, how was it? She was like, it was horrifying. Like, I'm not going to, you know, outside. Well, did you like it? Yeah, it was awesome. So people like to have that feeling or like, why would you go see a sad movie, right? What's a sad movie? Old Yeller.
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Old Yeller.
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Like these are movies that are sad movies. They make you sad. Why would you go see something that makes you. Well, it's gonna trigger. It's, it's emotion. And so people are drawn towards emotion. And both those like being horrified and being sad, those are negative emotions, right? They draw them in. So, but so we get this news cycle and now they're running stuff, they're run. Another way is just by giving opinions, right? If I give my opinion about something, if you hate my opinion, you'll keep watching. If you love my opinion, you'll keep watching. But I don't care as long as you keep watching. That's what my goal is. So then you take this 24 hour news cycle and then you throw in the social media activities, right? Twitter, x, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, Substack, Patreon. Like you got all these things and they're all doing the same thing, which is they're trying to get you to pay attention to them as well. And they're doing whatever they have to do to sucker you in for 15 more seconds or 30 more seconds, or one more minute or 10 minutes or half an hour or five hours. I had friends of my kids tell me that they had to take TikTok off their phone because they'd wake up in the morning in four or five hours gone, four or five hours daily gone. Poof. And these people, like, so that the content creators, they want your attention and then of course the algorithms being given to you what you want, so you give them time and your, your time is gone. But they got what they wanted and what they got was your eyes on. And so it's gone from this 24 hour news cycle to a 24 minute news cycle. It's 24 minutes, man. Like if a new story breaks, when a new story breaks within 24 minutes, there's reaction videos, there's commentaries, there's debates, there's conspiracy, there's shock journalism, right? That's what's happening. Like a story breaks and we are going to be there with the commentary and with the like, oh, that shouldn't have happened. Or this is what the cause was. The debates are coming, the conspiracies are kicking off. Like it's all, it's all coming. Shock journalism. Right. This used to be called yellow journalism, which broadly meant exaggeration, scandal mongering. I like that one. Right. Oh, we gotta find out about that scandal. Gotta find out. Especially, you know, I've explained this to people. Back in the day there was a magazine called, I don't know if it still exists, but the National Enquirer. Does it still exist? Do you know?
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Yeah, I believe so.
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So why does that exist? All it's doing is just talking smack about people. Right? Am I right?
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Yeah. Was that the National Enquirer? Was that like aliens are.
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It was part aliens are, but I think it was and maybe I'm confusing with some others, but they're, they're similar vein, which is, you know, so and so celebrity got a drunk driving accident, so and so celebrity.
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It's like TMZ magazine.
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TMZ magazine, right. Why do those things exist? Because people want to watch them. That's why they exist. Scandal mongering, misinformation, whatever could be done to provoke an emotional response and get people to pay attention. That's what yellow journalism was. So people writing headlines, dramatic freaking headlines. So that's what's happening, that's what, that's what's going on. And there's literally millions of people that are trying to get you to watch. And it's working, it's Doing exactly what it's designed to do. Right. It's doing all the things. It's got all the little psychological and physiological things that it's supposed to have. The dopamine little reward loops, right? The very. It was actually Echo Charles, that explained variable rewards to me, because I didn't know about it. But if you give. And then I learned this from dog training as well, you don't give the same reward every time. You don't. Like, you could have, like, a nice little cube of prime rib for your dog, and if you give him that same, you know, 1 inch by 1 inch cube of prime rib, eventually that's just kind of what's expected. You got to keep them guessing a little bit. Sometimes you give them prime rib, Sometimes you literally don't give them anything. When you're training a dog, sometimes you just say, good dog. Then maybe two times later, you give them a little, Little, little hunk of that prime rib and they're feeling good. Right. But they come back for it.
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Call that the jackpot.
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The jackpot. The variable reward, by the way. Yeah. Like, you're right. This is what leads to addiction. This is why slot machines give you, like, a little reward, a big reward, A little reward, no reward. They do this over and over again. This is psychological engineering. Variable rewards. That's part of it. Dopamine hits reward loops, endless scroll, endless scroll, endless content. That's there. You don't ever have to stop. It's going to give you. There's one. There's another. Dopamine reward, variable size in one finger swipe. And you can't say no to it. You're programmed not to say no to it. And by the way, all the things that they're going to show you are made, tailor made for your brain to draw you in. That's what you're going. That's what's going on. It's made for. It's personalized for you. Isn't it amazing? Isn't it amazing that Instagram can show you exactly what it is you're interested in? Little emotional triggers are in there. They show you things that piss you off, and they show you things that you love. Because it doesn't matter if I hate it, I'm going to share it. What a. What an idiotic take. This is Share or this guy's got it right Share. Either one. That emotional level that I get to makes me want to share it with other people. And then, of course, on top of all that, you get the validation, right? We get the lights and the comments and the views and all that. Another thing about this that draws us in is it gives you a level of a weird form of control. Because. Because you get to have a strong opinion about something, right? You get to say, man, this is bullshit or I can't believe this person did that. You get to, you get, you get like a control over it and you feel strongly about it. And it feels good to feel strongly about something like that. Feels good. You get to have a little bit of an emotional release over something, right? Even if it's only five seconds long, you go, damn, I'm gonna reshare. I can't believe that happened. I can't believe this person did that. I can't believe that person's doing that thing like that. It feels good to people. Except for none of the thing that you're investing this emotion in. None of it doesn't matter. It does not matter at all in any way. Shape or form does not matter. It only feels like it matters, but it doesn't matter. But that's what we're up against. Dopamine, variable rewards, endless scroll, personalization, emotional triggers. That's what we're up against. Things specifically, specifically engineered to distract you and steal your attention and make you pay attention to something that literally does not matter at all. But they engineered it that way. So what? So what are we supposed to do? What are we supposed to do? I'll tell you what we're supposed to do. Go to manual mode. That's what you have to do. If you go in cruise control, you will scroll until you are dead. You have to go into manual mode. You have to turn the trash on, off and get away from it. Because if you don't go into manual mode, I'll tell you what's going to take over. Your natural psychological and physiological instincts will take over. They'll follow the path of least resistance. They'll bell, they'll be with their hands out begging for that neurochemical release. That's what's going to happen. You have to deny these things from happening. You have to switch into manual mode and get out of the 24 minute news cycle and get your ass into the real world that's all around you right here. Real life. Go live it. And that's what I got. If you want to go support what we're doing here, go to jockofuel.com originusa.com, jocastore.com, echelonfront.com thanks for listening. Now stop listening and go get after it.
Jocko Podcast: Episode 004 - Jocko Manual: The War for Your Mind
Release Date: August 15, 2025
In Episode 004 of the Jocko Podcast, titled "Jocko Manual: The War for Your Mind", host Jocko Willink engages in a profound discussion with guest Kerry Helton. They delve into the intricate battle for human attention in the modern era, exploring the evolution of the news cycle, the pervasive influence of social media, and the psychological tactics employed to capture and retain our focus. This episode serves as a wake-up call, urging listeners to reclaim control over their mental space amidst the relentless barrage of information and stimuli.
Transition from Traditional to 24-Hour News
Jocko begins by reminiscing about the 1980s, highlighting the inception of the 24-hour news cycle with CNN. He contrasts this with the era when news was limited to figures like Walter Cronkite, who delivered concise, impactful broadcasts.
[00:45] A: "Walter Cronkite's news started as a 15-minute show, and then in 1963, it expanded to a 30 minute... But then I think 1980, I think it was like 1980, maybe 1981... CNN kicked it off and said, we're going to do news 24 hours a day."
Proliferation of News Channels
The shift to continuous news broadcasting led to the emergence of multiple channels, each vying for viewer attention by constantly churning out content. This saturation created a demand for ever-more sensational stories to fill the extended airtime.
[02:30] A: "Once you've got a channel that you're supposed to fill with news for 24 hours, then you've got to do things in order to fill that news cycle."
Leveraging Human Nature for Viewership
Jocko explains that the necessity to keep viewers engaged in a 24-hour news environment drives the creation of dramatic and emotionally charged content. He draws parallels to why people are naturally drawn to accidents or emotional events.
[02:45] A: "Psychologically, what's going to draw people in?... If it bleeds, it leads. If we can show some freaking bloody chaos, we're gonna get people to watch."
Emotional Triggers in Media Consumption
The conversation transitions to how various forms of media—be it horror movies or sad films—are designed to evoke strong emotions, ensuring sustained audience engagement.
[03:21] A: "People like to have that feeling or like, why would you go see a sad movie?... They make you sad. Why would you go see something that makes you... it's gonna trigger emotion."
Endless Content and Attention Capture
Jocko discusses the rise of social media platforms like Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, and TikTok, which perpetuate the demand for continuous content to keep users hooked. He highlights how these platforms employ psychological tactics to maximize screen time.
[05:00] A: "Then you throw in the social media activities... they're all trying to get you to pay attention to them as well."
Addiction Through Psychological Engineering
Delving deeper, the discussion covers how social media leverages variable rewards and dopamine loops to foster addictive behaviors, akin to slot machines.
[08:50] A: "This is what leads to addiction... variable rewards. That's part of it. Dopamine hits reward loops, endless scroll, endless content."
Erosion of Attention Spans
The relentless barrage of information not only monopolizes attention but also diminishes our ability to concentrate on meaningful tasks, leading to decreased productivity and mental fatigue.
[07:45] A: "Your time is gone. But they got what they wanted and what they got was your eyes on."
Spread of Misinformation and Scandal Mongering
Jocko critiques the rise of "shock journalism" and yellow journalism, pointing out how sensationalism and misinformation thrive in the current media landscape to maintain viewer interest.
[07:17] A: "It's all, it's all coming. Shock journalism... yellow journalism... exaggeration, scandal mongering."
Breaking Free from Automatic Consumption
In response to the overwhelming stimuli, Jocko advocates for a conscious shift from "cruise control" to "manual mode." This entails actively managing one's media consumption and prioritizing real-world engagements over digital distractions.
[09:30] A: "You have to go into manual mode. You have to turn the trash on, off and get away from it. ... get your ass into the real world that's all around you right here. Real life."
Practical Steps to Combat Information Overload
Jocko emphasizes the importance of setting boundaries with technology, being selective about content consumption, and fostering real-life interactions to regain mental clarity and focus.
[10:15] A: "If you don't go into manual mode, I'll tell you what's going to take over. Your natural psychological and physiological instincts will take over."
Jocko wraps up the discussion by motivating listeners to take decisive action against the manipulative tactics of modern media. He encourages embracing discipline and proactive measures to protect one's mental sovereignty.
[11:00] A: "Now stop listening and go get after it."
Key Takeaways:
Evolution of Media: The shift from limited news broadcasts to a 24-hour news cycle has led to the sensationalism and dramatization of news to maintain viewer interest.
Psychological Manipulation: Modern media and social platforms employ psychological strategies like variable rewards and emotional triggers to captivate and retain audience attention, fostering addictive behaviors.
Impact on Society: This relentless pursuit of attention diminishes attention spans, spreads misinformation, and prioritizes emotional engagement over factual reporting.
Reclaiming Control: To combat these influences, individuals must adopt disciplined media consumption habits, engage in manual decision-making processes, and prioritize real-life interactions over digital distractions.
Call to Action: Embracing autonomy over one's mental space is essential for maintaining focus, productivity, and overall well-being in an era dominated by information overload.
This episode serves as a crucial reminder of the ongoing battle for our attention and the importance of intentional living in a world inundated with distractions. By understanding the mechanisms at play, listeners are better equipped to navigate the complexities of modern media and safeguard their mental fortitude.