B (2:54)

Yeah.

A (2:57)

Now, I guess we also have to ask, is there such a thing as true rehabilitation? Like, can a person truly be rehabilitated? Can you be rehabilitated from being a drug. Drug addict? I think you can. I've seen that before. Someone that used to be addicted to drugs and now they're not anymore. Someone that used to be a thief and now they're not anymore. Someone that used to be a criminal, now they're not anymore. Someone that used to be a murderer and now they're not anymore. These things have happened. Sexual predators. A little different, though, I think. Yeah, I think that's a little different. There's some wiring. There's a lot less. What's the term? Like, there's a lot less. Just survival instinct of like, oh, I, you know, I need to make money or I get addicted to this thing. But, you know, being a predator seems like you have a wire that's crossed somewhere.

B (4:00)

Well, like a compulsing compulsion kind of urge thing. Yeah. That you can't, like, get a handle of. Kind of a.

A (4:07)

Right.

B (4:07)

Yeah.

A (4:10)

So we're kind of asking ourselves these questions. Right. So then here's. Here's the thing. So let's. So those are some. Those are some kind of, like, philosophical questions we gotta ask. Right. Can people change? Do we forgive them or not? And again, like, this dude got out of jail after he. Manslaughter killed a girl. Like, that seems to be the kind of thing that's not very easily forgiven. So let's look at it from a more pragmatic thing. Okay. Does the jiu jitsu school know about this individual's background? Right. Like, and are you in an environment where you could tell them what the background is if the instructor doesn't know? Like, the instructor might not know. Oh, yeah. Guy used to be in prison. Now he's here, and they never figure out quite what he's in prison for. So, you know, are you in an environment where you could inform them without, you know, kind of just causing a bunch of drama and problems? Where now, oh, you tried. You ratted me out. I'm getting, like, you See what I'm saying? There's. There's some drama. That's not worth it.

B (5:24)

Yeah, yeah.

A (5:26)

Can you just stay there and keep an eye on the guy? Like, you know, maybe you pass judgment after a year, you're like, oh, no, this guy's still a dirt bag. Or, you know what, man? This guy was a drug addict at the time, and he was crazy, and he went to prison and he cleaned himself up, and here's where. Where he's at now. And okay, I kind of. You know what I mean? Like, maybe you could. Maybe he could earn your forgiveness or maybe he could not. So there's that. Or do you just leave? Because it's a lot of drama, bro. I don't like drama. You like drama? Echo, Charles.

B (6:00)

Like, you.

A (6:01)

You and I don't like a lot of drama. We don't like drama. So, yeah, it's kind of one of those things do. So if there's going to be drama and you're, you know, maybe raising this information to the instructor now, the instructor's like, well, I'm kicking him out. And it's because Fred told me that you were. You know what I mean? But at the same time, the guy might be like, what are you talking about? This guy killed. This guy murdered someone, and he's in my school. I'm not teaching this guy. And might be like, yeah, thanks for telling me. Get him out of here. That could happen. So you got to judge. You got to figure that out. What your. What's your relationship with the instructor like? What's the instructor like? Instructors are not saints. Jiu Jitsu does not turn you into a highly moral and ethical person. There's Jiu Jitsu instructors that have murdered people. There's jiu Jitsu instructors, black belts that have raped women and taken advantage of kids. Like, do you. Being into Jiu Jitsu is no sort of moral cleansing. But then again, it could be a person that has great values and is like, oh, yeah, we're not going to train this person here. So I think those are some things that you got to think about and what they would cause to occur inside the academy. And if it's going to be a bunch of drama and chaos, then it's probably like, maybe it's better just to leave. And if you're going to leave, that's pretty straightforward. You know, go try these other schools and see what they like, and, you know, go start training there. That's pretty straightforward. That seems like a. The simplest. I was going to say easy, but I think it's actually because I don't want you to get the idea, like, oh, that's the easy way out. It is the easiest way out, but it also might be the simplest and least drama. And if you go through life absorbing the drama that's all around you and everyone that got drama, you jump into that drama as well. Like, life gets. Life gets nasty. Yeah, we don't like drama. So I would consider those things. I think what it really, really boils down to is you and your comfortable, your comfort level. You're either. If you're comfortable training there, if you are, like I said, you can talk to the owners and see what their take is. Maybe they'll kick them out of school, maybe they won't. If you don't think you can talk to the owners and you're just truly not comfortable staying there, then you go try other schools and leave. And it's as simple as that. You got to do what you think is right in this situation, you know, you might have a little bit of. It sounds like you have a little bit of loyalty with the Gracie University bjj, and that's cool, but, you know, I think it's fair to, you know, you want to be loyal to the people that are putting time and effort into you, but at the same time, they gotta have some loyalty as well. And if they know about this guy being a dirtbag and they know you're uncomfortable with it, and you know what? It's. He's paying just like you are. Everyone's allowed to be. You know what I'm saying? So you gotta. You gotta. You gotta use a little judgment here. Get a little. You gotta use your judgment with the facts that are on the ground and with the nuances of the situation on the ground. But for me, it seems like you're most concerned, and you literally say it sucks, because leaving the Gracie's awesome Gracie University system, the Gracies have a great teaching protocol. So does Eddie Bravo. So does Marcelo Garcia. So does John Donahuer. You can go right down the list. Like, there are incredible Jiu Jitsu places all over the place, and you'll be fine. If that's your major, hang up. I wouldn't worry about it. That's kind of where I'm at. What do you think, Echo? Charles.

B (9:46)

Yeah, I agree with you. The. I do feel like the most important part is to. I would have just start casting judgment right away because, you know, with all overt indications, you know, in play, I feel like it's kind of like he's Kind of on the right path. Right. He did a documentary exposing everything he did, and then, you know, he's doing a thing. Life after prison. Basically how I got my life together, you know, that's like. That's a good thing to be doing, I think. So, you know, if it's genuine now, if he's, like, hanging around, and then over time, if he gives it a chance, be like, all right, maybe this guy's on the path. I get it. You know, like the path is. Or that his past is checkered, but he's on the right path. And then give it time, and then he's. Turns out to be. You know, he has a temper, and he's kind of a toxic person. You're like, you know, and, you know, then, yeah, okay, leave or. Or take other actions or whatever you want to take or whatever based on that. But I do think sometimes, and I'm being exposed to it more and more with the Internet, where it's like, yeah, people have a bad path, and then they're like, hey, I'm gonna kind of tell my story so other people can avoid certain pitfalls in life, you know, if they don't have much guidance. And then I'm gonna go on the right path and try to inspire people to be like, hey, you can get your life back together, rather than, you know, I'm just gonna stick with this bad kind of method of living, because that's a real thing, too. So if he's doing that and you're like, screw that guy, you know, and don't. You know, and you kind of jam it up for yourself going. You know, leaving a thing that you already like and all this stuff and you didn't have to then, I think that would be a bad move. So I think just give it time, and then you can kind of assess as you go on. Yeah. One might call it iterative decision making.

A (11:27)

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