85 South’s Karlous Miller & Chico Bean on D.C. Young Fly, Fat Joe stories & Jadakiss bald BY CHOICE!

Summary

Podcast Summary: Joe and Jada – Episode 85: South’s Karlous Miller & Chico Bean on D.C. Young Fly, Fat Joe Stories & Jadakiss Bald BY CHOICE!

Release Date: July 24, 2025
Hosts: Fat Joe and Jadakiss
Guests: Karlous Miller and Chico Bean (also known as the 85 Southport Man)
Platform: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume

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1. Introduction of Special Guests [02:36 - 03:03]

In this special edition of the "Joe and Jada" podcast, Fat Joe and Jadakiss welcome their brothers, Karlous Miller and Chico Bean, adding a dynamic layer to the show. The hosts express their admiration for their guests, praising their chemistry and storytelling abilities.

Jadakiss [03:20]: "Your story beat his ass, huh? I love how your stories always involve way too many people."

2. Fat Joe’s Legendary Stories [03:03 - 05:14]

Fat Joe delves into his rich history within the hip-hop scene, sharing anecdotes that highlight his resilience and experiences. He recounts a pivotal moment involving Pimp C, revealing the intensity of past street encounters and the evolution of his personal style.

Fat Joe [04:10]: "One day, I think it was a boxing match in the ATL and he got into some, didn't it, man?"

3. Jadakiss’s Choice to Go Bald [07:28 - 10:27]

A candid discussion unfolds as Jadakiss opens up about his decision to shave his head by choice. He explains that his clean-shaven look is a personal preference, challenging societal expectations and embracing his true self.

Jadakiss [07:28]: "And you know what I do when people ask you about... I'm just gonna grow my shit back."

4. Overcoming Personal Struggles and Loss [40:31 - 45:22]

The conversation takes a heartfelt turn as the hosts share their experiences with loss and the strength they've drawn from their support systems. Fat Joe discusses the challenges of raising a child with autism, while Jadakiss reflects on the profound impact of losing a parent.

Bob Crawford [42:35]: "Cause flies lost his mom right before we started shooting wild. And you're never the same after that."

5. Evolution from Music to Media Personalities [12:07 - 17:29]

Jadakiss provides insights into his transition from music to comedy and media, emphasizing the importance of independence and creative freedom. The hosts discuss how their natural camaraderie led to the creation of their podcast, allowing them to share authentic stories and connect with a broader audience.

Jadakiss [13:48]: "It's the independence. It's the freedom."

6. The Dynamic of Improv and Storytelling [93:14 - 94:36]

Highlighting the unique format of their podcast, Fat Joe and Jadakiss explain how improv and spontaneous conversations keep each episode fresh and engaging. They compare their style to iconic shows like "Wild 'N Out," emphasizing their ability to adapt and entertain without scripted content.

Fat Joe [94:01]: "That's why we calling it Spin the Block. Cause a lot of these places we've been blessed to have, but the people love us, man."

7. Respect and Influence Within the Hip-Hop Community [30:22 - 37:15]

The hosts pay homage to influential figures in hip-hop, such as LL Cool J and Big Pun, discussing their lasting impact on the genre and their personal lives. They highlight the importance of mentorship and mutual respect among artists, reinforcing the bonds that sustain the community.

Bob Crawford [32:11]: "Like, he's created the term 'GOAT.' Like, it didn't exist before."

8. Balancing Fame and Family [55:21 - 58:57]

Fat Joe and Jadakiss share their strategies for balancing public life with family responsibilities. They discuss the joys and challenges of fatherhood, emphasizing the importance of being present and supportive despite the demands of fame.

Fat Joe [55:32]: "You gotta support your kids, man, at all times because they're the biggest blessings."

9. Nostalgia and Changes in Fame [62:00 - 67:43]

Reflecting on how fame has evolved from the 90s to the present, the hosts express nostalgia for a time when success was less publicized and more personal. They contrast the controlled publicity of the past with today's omnipresent social media landscape.

Fat Joe [64:32]: "When you can do something and don't have to worry about somebody over there passing it to Harvey."

10. Memorable Anecdotes and Legendary Encounters [68:03 - 86:11]

The episode is rich with entertaining and sometimes outrageous stories from the hosts' pasts, including encounters with celebrities like R. Kelly and hilarious incidents that showcase their larger-than-life personalities. These anecdotes not only entertain but also provide deeper insights into their journeys.

Joe Crack the Dawn [84:38]: "Ron G was like, yo, you got to press play. And we start running around the car, the truck."

11. Future Plans and Show Highlights [93:33 - 97:58]

Looking ahead, Fat Joe and Jadakiss discuss upcoming shows and special events, expressing excitement about new locations and unique experiences they plan to bring to their audiences. They emphasize their commitment to authenticity and continuous growth.

Bob Crawford [93:33]: "We doing a show on memory."

Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Jadakiss [07:28]: "You just have to grow your shit back."
• Fat Joe [55:32]: "You gotta support your kids, man, at all times because they're the biggest blessings."
• Bob Crawford [32:11]: "Like, he's created the term 'GOAT.' Like, it didn't exist before."
• Joe Crack the Dawn [84:38]: "So we start running around the car, the truck."

Conclusion

Episode 85 of "Joe and Jada" offers a deep dive into the lives of two hip-hop legends navigating fame, personal loss, and the transition into media personalities. Through heartfelt stories, humorous anecdotes, and engaging conversations with Karlous Miller and Chico Bean, the hosts provide listeners with an intimate glimpse into their enduring friendship and unwavering resilience. This episode is a testament to their ability to stay relevant and connected, both to each other and to their loyal audience.

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Listen to Episode 85: South’s Karlous Miller & Chico Bean on D.C. Young Fly, Fat Joe Stories & Jadakiss Bald BY CHOICE! on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Transcript

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[Bob Crawford]

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[Joe Crack the Dawn]

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[Bob Crawford]

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[Jadakiss]

Did George Washington really cut down a cherry tree?

[Sarah Spain]

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[Joe Crack the Dawn]

And I find the answers.

[Bob Crawford]

I'm so glad you asked me this question.

[Sarah Spain]

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[Bob Crawford]

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[Joe Crack the Dawn]

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[Joe Crack the Dawn]

He never thought he was going to.

[Jadakiss]

Get caught and I just looked at.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

My computer screen, I was just like, ah, gotcha. This technology's already solving many cases.

[Sarah Spain]

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[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Go to Turkey. Get your right. He likes it.

[Bob Crawford]

I like my hair like you like glizzy. This is the same thing.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Yeah, yeah. What up, y'? All? This is Joe Crack the Dawn.

[Fat Joe]

It's your boy Jada Kiss. You know what it is the Joe and Jada Show. And you know every one of our shows is special. So when we Say it's a special edition. We really mean it. Today we got our brothers on the show. Carlos Miller, Chico Bean, also known as the 85 Southport, Man.

[Jadakiss]

Man, what's up, brother?

[Bob Crawford]

This is an honor, man. You don't understand, man. This we. We fans of y', all, just across the board, but we also fans of the show. We've been watching the show, and we love the chemistry. We love the dynamic, man. We've been watching Joe tell all the stories. It's fucked up what you did to Monkey Face Carlos, man.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Nah, he robbed me for 500, though.

[Bob Crawford]

Oh, you had to get him?

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I had to. It was courage. It's a story of courage.

[Bob Crawford]

So, legend.

[Jadakiss]

Your story beat his ass, huh? I love how your stories always involve way too many people. Like, wherever you are, you be like.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Yo, it was me.

[Jadakiss]

And like, 178 niggas.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Like Banjo.

[Jadakiss]

How are you taking this many people with you everywhere?

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, all the way. Then it be all different types of dynamics of people. Yeah, it was me. It was 58 Dominican niggas.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I gotta set.

[Fat Joe]

Sell a shit.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I gotta sell a shit. You don't want none of my ATL stories. I got ATL stories.

[Bob Crawford]

Oh, we know you got ATL stories there tonight, Pimpy. No, you got to tell the Pimp C story. Like, what?

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

No Pimp C. One day, I think it was a boxing match in the atl and he got into some, didn't it, man? Before he could get to the car, police grabbed him. They opened that trunk, man. They pulled so many guns out that trunk. Pimp C was running to the trunk, seeing it in my own eyes. He was running to go pop that in the cops Russia. When they open that, they were pulling all type of out. I was like, jesus Christ.

[Bob Crawford]

Hey, man, I'm convinced Fat Joe got a time machine somewhere, man.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

How do you be.

[Fat Joe]

Too, Joe?

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Listen, this why I'm broke. I was spending too much money in the clubs worldwide, man. I was in there every day.

[Fat Joe]

You broke?

[Jadakiss]

I was the same outfit or shoes. You are not broke. I came.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I'm definitely not broke. But what I'm saying is, is I've been everywhere. I'm like the forest company, hip hop. I've really been there, like, everywhere. Something really meaningful.

[Bob Crawford]

See, that's why your leg look like that. You done ran too much, man. Forrest, cup of hip hop. Now we know.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

My wife said it was cap because I told the story of we got shot at. I fell over the in my leg. She said, sister, I met you. Your leg before up. What are you talking about? It's like I was 14, 13 when I first Malay.

[Bob Crawford]

I don't understand how people don't believe you. I remember when you. When the. The was going on with people was questioning your, you know, your history with hip hop. And a video came up. You like 12 years old with the real Puerto Rican hair. Like, you had the real Puerto Rican.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I had a Mac 11 on me too.

[Bob Crawford]

See what I'm saying? That's crazy.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

You was in the club. They up like, what?

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I ain't say nothing. I was super strapped. When you seen that shit. I be trying to show them because they said, you know, I said some shit. Niggas got a little mad at me. Jadis and chilled. You already increased the piece. Like I made it happen. So last night, for no reason, I had to look up young Fat Joe with the Kofi on the God crack. Kim. I had to throw that justice, you know, going there. And then I flipped the page to the young Fat Joe with the meta.

[Bob Crawford]

The.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

The biggest. You ever seen them. Oh, man. Maybe he robbed the gym. Maybe he robbed.

[Bob Crawford]

Maybe he really robbed.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

He looked like it, right? And then this guy been showing off, man. He got nice socks. The one thing about me is I could dress my ass off, but I got old school socks.

[Jadakiss]

No, just regular socks.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Yeah, yeah. I just shied away from the checkerboard boxes. Yeah, I got the real. No, no, I got Calvin klein. But my be $20,000 outfit. But I did used to have the lumber.

[Jadakiss]

30 draw, isn't it?

[Bob Crawford]

$30 draw. Take his draws off. They look like drum.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Lumberjack with the hat to match. I got off that wave. Not that anybody could see it, but I got off the lumberjack. That was hard to do. So I'm more modern. But Jada K, he like to show off because he know I don't. I. You know, I ain't got no new socks. My old.

[Jadakiss]

He got to his Jadicus, though.

[Fat Joe]

He.

[Jadakiss]

He say a lot of fly. So when he's got up guns that.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

The government ain't got.

[Jadakiss]

Walls doing 360. He got floor lift up.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

He got. Yo. Oh, my God.

[Jadakiss]

Now this is what I was gonna ask, though. Jadakiss, you. You was bald for the longest. You mean to tell me that you had a completely healthy hairline and you could have just grew your shit back at any moment?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, it was a plus.

[Bob Crawford]

That's crazy, bro.

[Jadakiss]

That shit crazy. We out here bald with no options and you just said, fuck it. I'm just gonna grow my shit back.

[Fat Joe]

You gotta wash this shit.

[Bob Crawford]

Nah. No, you don't. Yeah, you disrespectful. We thought. I thought you was bald. You had a paper towel wrapped around your forehead for years.

[Fat Joe]

Came out, all heads was in. You know what I'm saying? Nah, you guys don't know about. We had.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

We had to go to Turkey.

[Bob Crawford]

We had men over there, man.

[Fat Joe]

So everybody.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

You look like you still want to wear hair.

[Bob Crawford]

I. I do still wear hair. Don't look like it. I'm wearing it. I'm not going to say nothing back there.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

You go. All right, so what I'm saying is, you only need a little bit.

[Fat Joe]

You go to Turkey, you can make history.

[Bob Crawford]

I already need a little bit. Nah, nah.

[Fat Joe]

Tory, Tiger, a lot of people did.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

He only need.

[Bob Crawford]

I'm not going half.

[Fat Joe]

He don't need whatever they got in.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

He got that Sherman helm.

[Fat Joe]

Feel.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

This pushed back. I'm just saying there's a solution.

[Bob Crawford]

There's not. Not for me. Cause I seen what it looked like in the days leading up. I can't go through that process. When the front of your head look like me tenderizing.

[Fat Joe]

You got mean hats. All you gotta do is get the.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Yo, you need to do it. I ain't lying to you. Cause you love your hair. You gotta fix that shit up.

[Bob Crawford]

I didn't say I love it. I just love the fact that I could do it like he did.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I've been bald forever, right? I can't grow no hair now. See, what happened to me was, I used to have hair. I used to have hair like the fucking Brady Bunch, right?

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, we seen it.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

So when I was young, all the time.

[Bob Crawford]

No, for real, jj, he's telling the truth.

[Fat Joe]

I seen that pic, man.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I've seen you, man, with the people at home, man. You keep. I seen the picture, let me tell you. I had hair like the Brady Bunch. But I shaved it all. Cause all the tough guys had the Baldies in my hood. My father chased me around the projects four times trying to beat me up. Because he knew what that meant.

[Fat Joe]

He could catch you.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

He couldn't catch me, But I was running, you know? The point is, one day I made a bet with Big Pun, and I was like. He was like, yo, man, you can't grow no hair. I say, you fucking crazy. My shit like the Brady Bunch. If I want right now, I grow braids, whatever. So I try to grow this shit. And it was like, rest in peace to the hairline. Everything that shit was coming up like that, man. Pun had some more jokes about that Shit, I lost it. So I shaved my shit. But now I got guys that. They do the fake. They got like a tattoo.

[Bob Crawford]

I can't do that.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I can't do it either.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

But you could do the turkey.

[Bob Crawford]

I can't do.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Because it's your real hair.

[Bob Crawford]

Come back, too much money. No, no, no, no. I'm not.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

So that's your signature.

[Fat Joe]

We came in Luch. Had to go Luchad the hot top fade. Sp. Had the blowout. Chemical blowout back then.

[Bob Crawford]

So, like the Jackson 5?

[Fat Joe]

Nah, when it was when the dope boys added. When they came back in, man. Like Method man and them.

[Bob Crawford]

Oh, okay. Got you.

[Fat Joe]

So, boom. When we got the deal, they still had air. I went ball first. Then I made a thing. When y' all shit fall out, I'm gonna come back. And I just kept my word and came back.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

God bless you, brother. Cause if I had here my shit, they'll call me Alejandro. My shit. Beautiful.

[Bob Crawford]

You gotta go to 30.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I do not want it.

[Bob Crawford]

Yes, you do. Because I see how you look on the front of them boxes.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Will be with Delfo. Now, that's the look you make when you own that. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That was like. Right? My. I had this. My. To be like this with the curl, with the juice and all that on my. So legend disrespect. Shout out to Julia, just Jesse Torero. He got the. With the curl. Like Nick. They would think, I ain't Fat Joe. I'll be Fat Joe's twin or some. With some. I would really be on some if I had. I'm being honest.

[Jadakiss]

I feel you. I would, too.

[Fat Joe]

Shout out to y'. All. What made y'?

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

All.

[Fat Joe]

You've been under a rock and haven't been following them. They all started out doing their thing. And what made y' all finally want to go for ownership and incorporate and do your own shit? Was it the same thing that the industry, the music industry go through something similar?

[Jadakiss]

I think so. Because you know how it is. It's like you can only do so much when you under something, but when you. When you got your own platform and you. Your own boss, you can move how you want to move. You can work how you want to work. You can go where you want to go, and you can work with whoever you want to work with. It's the independence. It's the freedom. And I think it's at the speed that we create. Like, we fans of each other, so our natural conversations really just progressed into a show. It was like Me and this dude linked up at the Wild N Out auditions. We didn't know anybody else. It was like we were familiar to each other. Like, I know he a comedian. He know I'm a comedian. They got a room full of personalities and people who they're championing or, like, pushing for. So it's like we standing there like Forrest Gump and Buff. We just back to back, like, I don't know what they gonna do. Whatever they got going on is on them. But me and you, we got a whole different set of struggle that, bro, we gotta get on tv. They gonna be good if they don't get on here. So we went in there, we rocked it, bro. And then they brought our other brother, De, a couple seasons later. And then it's like, I knew him and I knew dc, so I was the plug in the middle. And it's like, when we got together, it was natural. I didn't have to tell them to be cool or. That's my man. It was already family. It was just natural, bro.

[Fat Joe]

That's a building.

[Bob Crawford]

And he had that vision. Like, you know, I always say this. He's the elder in regards to doing comedy. You know, he been in the game longer than both of us, so he had an understanding of what it took to get to another level, even with what we were doing. And, you know, it's just a level of trust that is built when you. You coming up together, but still having the ability to be able to look at somebody and know they know more than you know and trust their vision that they done went to the places that you haven't been before. Even if it hadn't been on the level of success, he still had been through those trenches. So we knew, like, all right, man, what you talking about doing? That's what we need to do. And, you know, it's worked out.

[Jadakiss]

Fire.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Anybody could have an idea or start something, but they can't see it through. So it's cool that, you know, you had the vision and y' all came together and seen it through. You guys are hilarious. You know, I feel like every time I'm around comedians, they test their material on me and shit. Like I said at the Nick game next to Tracy Morgan, yo, Iggy still got diabetes. I was up in heaven. He talking crazy. And I feel like every time I laugh, he checking the box off like, okay, that's a good one. I got y' all check your material on anybody.

[Bob Crawford]

Not on Fat Joe, I'm not. And just to leave out this building, it's 150 Puerto Ricans waiting on me outside. No, sir. Nope, not doing it. I didn't listen to too many of them stories. Like, to me, honestly, man, you tell the best stories in hip hop in the world, period. I mean, and that's such a big thing because we were just talking about how fame has changed in regards to the way we came up. We came up watching y' all on the tv. That was a world away from what our reality was. I'm from dc, you know what I mean? I grew up in the city watching the box and watching Rap City and all of that. So to be able to shout out.

[Fat Joe]

To Wayne Perry, man.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, for sure. All the way. That's let you know what type of gangster nigga this nigga is. Shout out to killer niggas, man. But no, in seriousness, we didn't get to experience fame in the same capacity. So to be in a space now where you get to hear those stories that we were watching from on the other side of the tv, it's crazy. And you tell the best stories, man.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Thank you for the compliment, you know.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, man, y' all made a lot of dope ass music. Like me coming from. From down South. Like, the shit, the way that y' all was so, like, descriptive with shit, it just made me want to go to New York.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, that's fire.

[Jadakiss]

And then it's like listening to the Locks, nigga. I didn't know that Yonkers was completely different from New York. Like, I went out there, they got yards and shit.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

Little fences.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. Yonkers is like a gumbo of everything.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

I drive you around. You think you was everywhere. The Bronx, Baltimore, Atlanta.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Look like everywhere. Who are some of your influences, man? It seemed like y' all was each other's crutches and help, you know what I mean? But you had to have some coming up young. It had to be some comedians. You really.

[Jadakiss]

It was a lot of comedians, bro. Like that Bernie Mac Kings of Comedy set. It really was like a defining moment for me because it was something that I could identify with. To be like, oh, that's.

[Bob Crawford]

That's.

[Jadakiss]

I'm one of them. I'm a comedian. Like the Richard Pryors and the Red Foxes and the Martin Lawrence and all of the Comic View comedians and the Def Comedy Jam and just the culture, the music, bro. The lifestyle. The same way with the music, you get influenced by your neighborhood, by the dope boys, by the Fly Girls and all of that. It's a mixture of all of that. You know what I'm saying, yeah, Martin.

[Bob Crawford]

Was a big one for me because, you know, just growing up, my father got married when I was a baby, so I was the man in my house real early. You know, I had that responsibility. So a lot of times when my mother was gone and at work, this was what was raising us, in a sense, sitting down and watching Martin for 30 minutes or watching the Jamie Foxx show for the next 30 minutes or hanging with Mr. Cooper and all of these different.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

George Jefferson.

[Bob Crawford]

George Jefferson. I mean, Sherman Hermsley. Sherman Hermsley.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I'm notorious for fucking the name up. Don't worry about it.

[Bob Crawford]

You know what it is. But being able to, you know, and then, like, for me, coming out of the city, earthquake, you know, guys like that, that, you know, I got to watch people that I looked up to laugh at. Because I didn't grow up wanting to be a comedian. That wasn't necessarily my dream. I wanted to be in the streets. Cause that was my environment. That was what I was surrounded by. But those guys, this is who they thought were funny. So that is what steered me towards what I understood comedy to be. So once I got into it, I was able to really easily revert back to what I was, you know, used to. And that helped me just understand the game once I got in it.

[Jadakiss]

And the first comedian I ever seen live was Ricky Smiley Live.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Yeah. Yeah, I love Ricky.

[Jadakiss]

Ricky Smiley. He used to do these prank call CDs, right? And my mom used to love Ricky Smiley.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I love those shits.

[Jadakiss]

These are.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

They still do it. You know, they got nephew Tommy with. With Steve Harvey in the morning.

[Jadakiss]

But the Ricky Smiley joints was even before that.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Yeah, yeah, it was crazy. I love those shit. I live in Miami, so I know what time it is with. He call you, yo, this is the phone company or this. And he will fuck with you till you lose your mind and then be like, all right, Jada Styles gave me your number. Like these prank calls every morning, bro.

[Bob Crawford]

It was.

[Jadakiss]

This was classic foreign.

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[Bob Crawford]

What would you do if one bad decision forced you to choose between a maximum security prison or the most brutal boot camp designed to be hell on earth? Unfortunately for Mark Lombardo, this was the choice he faced.

[Fat Joe]

He said, you are a number, a New York state number, and we own you.

[Bob Crawford]

Shock incarceration, also known as boot camps, are short term, highly regimented correctional programs that mimic military basic training. These programs aim to provide a shock of prison life, emphasizing strict discipline, physical training, training, hard labor, and rehabilitation programs. Mark had one chance to complete this program and had no idea of the hell awaiting him the next six months.

[Fat Joe]

The first night was overwhelming and you don't know who's next to you and.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

We didn't know what to expect in the morning.

[Bob Crawford]

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[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Get your tickets today AXS.com a foot washed up, a shoe with some bones in it.

[Bob Crawford]

They had no idea who it was. Most everything was burned up pretty good from the fire that not a whole lot was salvageable.

[Sarah Spain]

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[Joe Crack the Dawn]

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[Sarah Spain]

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[Joe Crack the Dawn]

He never thought he was going to get caught.

[Bob Crawford]

And I just looked at my computer.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Screen, I was just like, ah, gotcha.

[Sarah Spain]

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[Joe Crack the Dawn]

You know, my thing is I don't get hot.

[Jadakiss]

Why not?

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I just don't want that story beating.

[Bob Crawford]

The shit out niggas too much.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

You can't beat.

[Fat Joe]

Don't do it.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Listen, I got high the first time in my life, right?

[Bob Crawford]

And were you fat Joy at this time?

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Yes, yes. And the girl was like, yo, we gonna have good sex. We gonna have this, that. So I smoked with her for the first time. I ran out the house butt naked. She chick smoking, middle of the night, man, I'm trying to tell you, I'm running down the block ass naked. And she gets in my car. She's like, joe, get in the car. I'm like, yo, I'm catching a heart attack. I'm gonna die. Yo, this. I gotta go to the hospital. So she convinced me to get in the car, we make a U turn, we go back in the house. I take like eight showers. I never smoke that shit again. That I don't want Fat Joe naked.

[Fat Joe]

Running down the other one.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

But let me tell you what happened to me. One night, I'm in the crib and I never believed this. Second hand. If I believe in secondhand smoke, God damn, I'm up. My lungs. My lungs is up because I've been in the studio every night smoking thousand pounds of weed in front of me. So one day we in the studio and they smoking mad weed. They got the bet on there. And I don't want to say it was Bruce Bruce or it was Lavelle Crawford, but this guy was so big.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Like a purple suit on, and his head was small. And I didn't realize I was high, right? And the man was talking about he was addicted to crack. And then crack me took him away. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on and smoke me some more. This and yo, the look like a human Eminem like this. I almost died. I try to commit suicide by laughter. Like, I would, like, literally was diving on the floor trying to die. Yo, the guy was talking about. He's talking crack. But to me, it looked like a.

[Jadakiss]

You.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

You know how you see the commercial that the Eminem be talking? It was a human Eminem talking like this. I was like, yo, this crazy. But I realized I'm high.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, you can't get high, Joe. Yeah, you got no.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I can't get high.

[Bob Crawford]

You get high. You getting butt naked. Do you imagine this was big Fat Joe when You imagine I was outside, letting me know, butt naked. She.

[Jadakiss]

It was his car. It was his car.

[Fat Joe]

Listen, pick them up.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

My brother Rich opened the. The. The weed dispensary in Harlem Dynasty Commodities. And just to show we stand by the product, for 35 years, I never smoked. I smoked in front of his joint. I had security and everything with me. I thought I was run out butt naked. I smoked the. Let him know we got the good stuff in Harlem Dynasty commodity. But you know what? I handled it. This time, I'm thinking of getting.

[Bob Crawford]

No, no, no, no, no, no, don't do that. No, don't do that.

[Fat Joe]

Let me start you off.

[Jadakiss]

Slow start.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I'm not fucking with you. I'm not fucking with you. You got the pure.

[Bob Crawford]

Like, if I tell people all the time, like, I. You know, I'm social smoker, you know, I mean, I don't smoke like that. It's very social. But the reason why is this N. So we. This is the second season of Wild N Out, right? You know what I'm saying? And we had just had the first season. We did the first old school battle. Like, that shit had went super viral. So we meet up, we get ready to get ready to go back and kill the game again. So Los like, man, the weed ain't coming, but I got some edibles. And I'm like, I bet I ain't never did an edible before. I took a little piece. This was when the super bowl was in New York. So we go down to Times Square. We go to Applebee's, get something to eat. We walking back to the Hotel Los like, man, hey, man, how you feel? I'm like, man, I don't feel shit. He was like, bet. Well, eat the rest of that piece of the little pieces you broke off. It was blue. I never forget blue raspberry, like, fruit roll up. I ate this whole piece of this shit, man. We go back to this. To his room. We talked for about an hour, right? I'm like, let me go downstairs and go to sleep, man. I went back downstairs, and that door closed on my hotel room, nigga. And it was. I never in my life, man, listen. This how I knew I was high. I stood at the door, and I'm like, I can taste my teeth. I can taste my teeth, man. I'm in that trip.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I'm trying to tell you something that come at you and you like. You like you can't control your. Nah, I can't do that.

[Jadakiss]

I had to say this life one time.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

How many times? How many Times in your life that you got high to the point that you was dumbed out like you did. Do you lose weight or.

[Bob Crawford]

What's the highest you ever been?

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

What's the highest you ever been?

[Bob Crawford]

I know you got some stories, you.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Know, did that to me. We shooting a video in the desert with tigers, and we shot this. It looks like I'm cooking. We in the desert with tigers. Me, Remy, and Frenchman.

[Jadakiss]

Who the put the tigers in the desert?

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

It's a video call. It looks like we cooking, right? And so we shot it. Y' all can look. It's not Cap, right? The point is, I walk in French and shit. I'm joking with him. And he got some chocolate chip cook cookies. So I take a bite of it. I'm not noticing the whole trip. Everybody knows I don't get out. The whole trail is laughing this and this and that. Next thing I know, like. Like, you must. I was like, yo, this, you, you.

[Fat Joe]

I was infused.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

It was like, how you doing this and this? I said, no, I'm good. This, this. So I start banging on Remy's trailer because, you know, not for nothing, no disrespect, you know, I shot a video with Cardi B. She did her makeup for five hours. For real girls, they could do that. Like, Remy was taking long. I'm paying for this, right? We're in the middle of the desert. Tigers all type of. Yeah. I'm like, yo, I'm banging on the door. Yo, son's gonna go down. Son's gonna go down. She knew immediately. She opened the door. He said. She said, what do you do? I said, what do you mean? She said, It's 11 in the afternoon. The sun is out. What the are you talking about? What did they do? She went over there French, and it was like, yo, we gave him the weed cook. She was dying laughing. She knew I was high. She knew that sun's gonna go down in the morning. I'm banging on the door, Sun's gonna go down.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, that's probably. It's gonna take the longest for the sun to go down in the desert, man. It's gonna be up for a minute out there.

[Fat Joe]

It's still there right now, man.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Let me tell you something.

[Fat Joe]

For those that don't know what's the origin of y' all show? Cause I. You interviewed me before, and y', all. I got, like, a twist to y' all show. It's not just. People would just think y' all on there talking, but, you know, let the people know.

[Jadakiss]

Nah, it's A. It's a freestyle comedy show, bro.

[Fat Joe]

It's.

[Jadakiss]

It's literally improv.

[Fat Joe]

No, but y' all got good interview skills too, though. Oh, yeah, yeah, I do your.

[Jadakiss]

Well, but see, the whole thing is, is we don't.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

The.

[Jadakiss]

The traditional interview style where it's just questions, bro. We really like to interview people that. That we fans of, that we can show love. And people. Like you said, the. The influences and the people who gave us little bits and pieces of the game. So it's. It's never like. So how'd you get started, Jada? Cause we wanna. We don't talk about none of the. The. That's on the blog. None of this. The controversial.

[Bob Crawford]

No, you don't.

[Jadakiss]

Not just going for.

[Bob Crawford]

No, you don't joke. You don't hate that joke. Cause you always, always come with the question. That's how y' all end up with delusional records. Cause you be asking the. That's what you do. You don't.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

You gotta ask the.

[Bob Crawford]

You come with the questions. You come with the. You come with the Wendy Williams style questions. You do. You kick it off and then you always. And then it's a real smooth how you do it. Yo, if you. If you don't want to talk about it, I totally understand, but I gotta know. Then you come with a question. And Jada be like.

[Jadakiss]

He do that. Cause he know they can't say back.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Yeah, no, I'm just. Sometimes I would answer it different, you know? Like, me, I studied KRS1. I study yellow. When I first came out, if you look at my interview, I'd be like, nah. I mean. No, I'm saying they'd be like, yo, what color is this guy? Nah, I mean, I'm saying, I. I didn't. I don't know why I look so stupid on bet. Like, no, I mean, I never had, like, the skills to answer questions articulately. So I. Back in the fucking VHS days and all that, I had tape interviews from KRS and LL and I would watch them over and over again to learn how to actually answer questions and have social skills.

[Jadakiss]

So that nigga LL Cool J is diabolical. This came right on the record and said they call me Big Ellie. Nobody ever said that. Nobody's even uttered that before.

[Bob Crawford]

I don't think he get the credit he deserved either, man. Like, LL literally is like, he's. He created the term goat. Like it didn't exist before. Ll, like, he was the.

[Fat Joe]

I give him the credit every time I see him.

[Bob Crawford]

I mean, like, the dude has been rapping since rap started. Like, he literally has been. I mean, that's what I'm saying. Like, and still relevant to this day. Still relevant to now. It's like when you talk about the Mount Rushmore, it's like the thing that he's conquered every aspect of the game. Acting, you know, rapping. I mean, I don't know if he was in. Was that with Jamie Foxx playing football in any given Sunday. Had a fight too. I mean, all of that. Like, that dude is one of him. And G rap.

[Jadakiss]

Like him and G rap. When they put that nigga in the horror movie the Halloween joint and he ain't die. I knew then. I knew then, bro. You know, the black dudes usually die.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

In the opening credits.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

You don't even get Brian stabbed the black dude.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Christmas 2006.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, you dying in the preview trailer. You kill.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

They purposely made the white girl die first in the movie Sentence. They made the white girl die first when the boys came. That's what you got. I'm telling you. We always. What he just said, yo, the black dude died first. This is the first time the white girl died.

[Jadakiss]

The black dude died the summer before the movie come out.

[Fat Joe]

The white girl always died after she whip.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Yes, but the black guy dies first.

[Bob Crawford]

The black guy died and then the white girl dropped over the black guy.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

If she.

[Jadakiss]

She came back, though. She was at the end.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, she died version. She was just.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, no, she lived the whole movie.

[Fat Joe]

She lived for the whole movie.

[Bob Crawford]

She was still alive at the end.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Yo, that sending was crazy.

[Bob Crawford]

You know what I mean?

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

That was a trip.

[Bob Crawford]

But yeah, like, that just. Just getting. Getting those guys the credit from like that era, like I said. And G Rap, like to me, cool. G rap is G rap, Chris. Yeah. I mean, Buster G rap versus just Rakim. Yeah, all them guys, man. I remember when I heard that. That verse. That first time I heard that verse he did on the Mob Deep, you know, I mean, you're. When the gas reveal you cats get pilled and that's the real the ass and switch fast to like the real. When the slugs burst be aiming at your muck first niggas is blood thirst but see who get plugged worse we dug earth places put the nickel plate is to your facial bullets ain't racial, kid. They only hate you like, nigga. What? Why.

[Fat Joe]

Still before it stops?

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, I mean, it's.

[Fat Joe]

He gonna definitely catch up to it. His time is somewhere up there.

[Bob Crawford]

So, like, do you. Do you. Do y' all have as guys that's been in the game for over 20 years. Like, do y' all have people that you haven't rap with that you want to rap with? Is it. Is anybody left?

[Fat Joe]

I actually gotta do a verse for G rap. But you've been posting three stacks.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

You've been stalling that first man.

[Fat Joe]

Jayden, I ain't got no damn time. I'm shooting all that. I mean, Joey J took over my. But, yeah, nah, Andre. Three stacks. Stevie Wonder.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Oh, wow.

[Fat Joe]

I want to do a collab, but actually, these three stacks. Okay. Did I just got to speak to Stevie, see if I could see eye to eye with Stevie. And we get this.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Well, you know, he got showy.

[Bob Crawford]

Come on, Jada, man. What the man on the song, man.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Come on, Jada. Yeah, I know.

[Fat Joe]

I had a little bit of skills.

[Bob Crawford]

In case I got Philip, you know he going to hear that. Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

Hey, not only is he gonna hear it, when he walk up to him, he'd be like, I seen that.

[Bob Crawford]

How about you, Joe?

[Fat Joe]

Come up and say, I seen that. You said about me, there's only one.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Person I never worked with that I would love to work with, and it's Dr. Dre.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, you never did a Dre?

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Nah, I never did a Dre at all, people. I never did a Dre.

[Fat Joe]

I got a song Dre beat before this.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I don't have a song with Drake, but Loud.

[Fat Joe]

He produced the one of singles.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Yeah. I ain't got it. You know what I'm saying? So that's about the only person we work with. Everybody, you know, to be the greats is Eminem. The greats is. You know, I started with Big Pun. One of the greatest. Big L. One of the greatest. Of course, we got the Rock with Hov and Shout out to Nori. We didn't get to tell him, but, you know, thanks for Nori and Memphis Bleak for making that all the way up remix. Yeah, possibly. They say I never give them credit, so I had to give them credit. But I've been able to work left. I've been able to. You know, I. A lot of times I like to work with people that could be my friends, but I admire their work so much. And so like Mary. Like, Mary be in my house all the time. But you know, Mary, that's funny that.

[Jadakiss]

You brought it up, because she gonna take. I say this shit all the time. I want to go over Mary J. Blige house and just kick it on like a Sunday.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Well, you come to my house. She's there all the time.

[Jadakiss]

And So I know she gonna have the vibe, right? The music gonna be good. She gonna be sipping a little wine.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

You know, she sipping wine. That's spaghetti.

[Fat Joe]

Some love like that. She give it up.

[Jadakiss]

Shout out to Mary. I love Mary giving up, Yo.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Mary also know how to throw them shots.

[Fat Joe]

Shout out to Mama Poro.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Mary is a hood.

[Bob Crawford]

Lt. Yeah, that's the story about it.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

So she'll sit there and, you know.

[Fat Joe]

And she'll be like, keep it solid as. Yeah, you think just mj, she ain't. She a chill, you know? That's all I should say when I.

[Jadakiss]

Say that for, like 10 years, I.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Knew I could feel it, you know, when I tell. When. When I. When I get to telling, when I test my material on Mary, right? Cause Mary sit down, she like to hear the stories. When I say, she be like, you ain't. You ain't Joe. I'm like, yo, man, what's up? Nah, you up.

[Bob Crawford]

Like, yeah, you gotta be telling other stories.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Cause I'm telling stories. Yeah, I can't tell here. Yeah, the dumb shit, like, right? You know what I'm saying? Like, you be like. Like, dumb shit. And when I'm telling her, she be.

[Fat Joe]

Like, you ain't shit, nigga.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

You ain't shit.

[Bob Crawford]

Listen, if you can only imagine. Like, that's the thing about the podcast. Like, you know, you watch podcasts a little different. You gonna put it on and be ironing your clothes or cleaning up, but you'll walk out and walk in, and this man will say some wild shit, and you don't know where the conversation was at the other day. I was watching. All I heard was you say, yeah, I gotta taste that shit. I'm like, what the fuck is Joe talking about, man? What type of shit he gotta taste, man?

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Must have been a junior's cheesecake or.

[Fat Joe]

I need the glitz.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, that was crazy.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

That's really not crazy.

[Bob Crawford]

It is. No. You said I'm a lie. He said, I'm a glizzy monster.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Yes, but the point is. The point is you gotta be vulnerable. You gotta be real. The people got other. You ain't gotta hide. You know, that's the problem with society now. We want to hide shit and be like, we perfect. That I like how.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, well, why you tell me? I gotta go to Turkey then if that's the case, push back. I thought it was.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

You look like you was the Django and they shot half your.

[Bob Crawford]

The Django? Come on. That was racist. Joe. Come on.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

The Django was like, the Django.

[Jadakiss]

Joe, get on, man.

[Bob Crawford]

Nah, man, I'm not messing with Joe, man. There's too many Puerto Ricans. I know they ain't here.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Let me explain, sir.

[Bob Crawford]

150. I'm telling you, he can be telling the story.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I'm telling you the truth. I'm telling you the truth. I'm not being funny. I'm not this. Go to Turkey, get your shit right.

[Fat Joe]

He likes it.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I like my shit like that. I like.

[Bob Crawford]

You like glizzies? I like my hair like you like glizzies.

[Jadakiss]

This is the same thing, you know what I'm saying?

[Bob Crawford]

If you can enjoy a glizzy proudly in front of 50,000 people at the Yankee Stadium, okay, I can walk around like that.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I do it like I really be.

[Jadakiss]

And you know what I do when people ask you about.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I'm not hiding the glizzy.

[Fat Joe]

What?

[Jadakiss]

I just. I try to make them feel bad for asking me, man, what's up with Chico, man?

[Bob Crawford]

Tell him to cut that shit off. I'm like, that's fucked up.

[Jadakiss]

Cause you know we about to have surgery, right? And then they be like, oh, my, you got a guilt triple, man. That chica don't give a.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Something with dc, right? You know, shout out to dc.

[Jadakiss]

He would have been here.

[Bob Crawford]

But, yeah, crazy yesterday.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

And, you know, his wife passed away. Do you guys ever get serious? Like, was that like a serious.

[Bob Crawford]

We didn't been through so much, man. My mom passed in 20, 21, and from COVID And, you know, that was a major ill for me because I only had my mother, you know what I'm saying? And having to adjust. I dealt with a lot of death in my life. I've lost many, many people in my life. And you think that you're prepared for it, but nothing prepares you for that. And when I went through that, they were there for me, you know what I'm saying? Cause Los lost his mom right before we started shooting wild. And you're never the same after that. And when Fly went through what he went through, it was just a blessing that we understand each other beyond what we do. We brothers for real. So we know how to be there for each other. And that's more important than anything. Because that support system that you have through times of tribulation is more important than anything you can ever do. And he's such a warrior, this man. He's a warrior. The way he was able to handle it on his own made us proud. But still being able to be there in times where you don't have the answer or you Just need to just talk about something completely different. Being able to be there and being one of the people that a person wants to be there counts for everything, man.

[Jadakiss]

You ever go through something with somebody and they make you like it, make you respect them on a whole nother level, bro, it's like D.C. he the wild man out the group. Like we met him when he was young, like 20, 21 when he came around us, bruh. And to see him go through becoming a father, to calming down, being the family man. And then for him to have to go through something so life changing, so life altering in front of his kids and hold it down, still do his shows and still be famous and still get criticized with the public, you know, like. Cause it's a public thing. Everybody got their opinions, everybody got their theories of what happened, what didn't happen, or how he should be handling it. But then it's like rather see him rise above all that, keep the faith.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

It's really hard.

[Jadakiss]

Stand up, be a father, not go find another chick to say, help me with these kids. Like really get up every morning, drop these kids off, make breakfast, don't miss nothing, Go to recitals, go to dance practice center and really see him stand up and not have to lean on nobody, not need the help, not, not, not accept it. But for him to do it by himself. And I never seen a tear fall out this man face. I know that he did, but I never seen it. I never seen him have a day where he can't come outside or he laid up, or he, he in that dark space or he ain't himself. It gave me a whole nother respect to be like, bro, when you got, got a relationship and your faith like that is with God. And even when you at your lowest, you don't let nobody outside that house see it. And you still go do your show and you still go rock 10,000, 15,000 people get the first flight home, get right back to dropping kids off at school in the morning. That's different. That lets you know, he built different.

[Bob Crawford]

Built different, man.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Built different.

[Bob Crawford]

And strong all the way. The pillars of strength. And that's, that's how we feed off each other. Like we've all watched each other do it in different capacities. Like, you know what I mean? Like seeing the things that you go through as men. You know, a lot of people from the public perception don't understand. They look at your life and they assume that because you have things, that things make everything better. But things don't mean anything when life hits, you know, What I mean, when life hits you, life is going life. And when you go through those types of situations and you get to watch people that you already have a understanding of how strong they are, but you get to watch, watch him do it, you know what I mean? And watch him implement that strength, it's just something, man. You just be proud that God put the people in your life that he put in your life.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah. Cause it's a lesson for all of us to learn from that. Like we were supposed to be around each other for a reason, you know what I'm saying? Like he said, I lost my mother right after the first season a while and now then I have to go back and he seen me struggle with.

[Bob Crawford]

Some stuff in there.

[Jadakiss]

Just because people say things and they don't understand where you at with it. They don't know how this is gonna affect you. You don't know how it's gonn you when that moment going to hit you, what's going to make you break a sound, a smell, you know what I mean? Take you back to certain memories and stuff like that. And to have somebody that can understand that the link, like a real brother, not your partner that you work with, like the ones who going to call and check on you when they know about when the call stop coming.

[Fat Joe]

Tuesday.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, that's important. That's real.

[Jadakiss]

Foreign.

[Sarah Spain]

Welcome to Pretty Private with ebony, the podcast where silence is broken and stories are set free. I'm ebony, and every Tuesday I'll be sharing all new anonymous stories that would challenge your perceptions and give you new insight on the people around you. On Pretty Private, we'll explore the untold experiences of women of color who faced it all. Childhood trauma, addiction, abuse, incarceration, grief, mental health struggles and more. And found the strength to make it to the other side. My dad was shot and killed in his house. Yes, he was a drug dealer. Yes, he was a confidential informant, but he wasn't shot on a street corner. He wasn't shot in the middle of a drug deal. He was shot in his house, unarmed. Pretty Private isn't just a podcast. It's your personal guide for turning storylines into lifelines. Every Tuesday, make sure you listen to Pretty Private from the Black Effect Podcast Network. Tune in on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

[Bob Crawford]

Our iHeartradio Music Festival, presented by Capital One, is coming back to Las Vegas. Vegas, September 19th and 20th, streaming live only on Hulu. Ladies and gentlemen, Brian Adams, Ed Sheeran, Fade Glorilla, Jelly Roll Sean Fogarty, Lil Wayne, LL Cool J, Mariah Carey, Maroon 5, Sammy Hagar, Tate McCrae, the Offspring, Tim McGraw.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Tickets are on sale now at AXS.com.

[Bob Crawford]

Get your tickets today AXS.com what would you do if one bad decision forced you to choose between a maximum security prison or the most brutal boot camp designed to be hell on earth? Unfortunately for Mark Lombardo, this was the choice he faced.

[Fat Joe]

He said, you are a number, a New York state number, and we own you.

[Bob Crawford]

Shock incarceration, also known as boot camps, are short term, highly regimented correctional programs that mimic military basic training. These programs aim to provide a shock appreciate emphasizing strict discipline, physical training, hard labor and rehabilitation programs. Mark had one chance to complete this program and had no idea of the hell awaiting him the next six months. The first night was overwhelming and you.

[Fat Joe]

Don'T know who's next to you and.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

We didn't know what to expect in the morning.

[Bob Crawford]

Nobody tells you anything. Listen to shock incarceration on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Sarah Spain]

Sometimes it's hard to remember, but going.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Through something like that is a traumatic.

[Jadakiss]

Experience, but it's also not the end of your life.

[Sarah Spain]

That was my dad reminding me and so many others who need to hear it that our trauma is not our shame to carry and that we have big, bold and beautiful lives to live after what happened to us. I'm your host and co president of this organization, Dr. Lea Trattan. On my new podcast, the Unwanted Sorority, we wade through transformation to peel back healing and reveal what it actually looks like and sounds like in real time. Each week I sit down with people who've lived through harm, carried silence, and are now reshaping the systems that failed us. We're going to talk about the adultification of black girls mothering as resistance, and the tools we use for healing. The Unwanted Sorority is a safe space, not a quiet space. So, so let's lock in. We're moving towards liberation together. Listen to the Unwanted Sorority. New episodes every Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Like, no, it's the one thing, right, that you wonder your whole life, right? You wonder if that's gonna break you, right? So to have longevity in this game, to have the game change to where everybody got a comment, everybody's going, they, they violate, whoever, right? And the one question you ask yourself, like, you know, I look at the people that's mentally ill, I look at them, I see them when I drive my Car and they on the side. I see them. I look at them and I wonder what happened to them in their life. What snapped their brain?

[Fat Joe]

What.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

What threw them off or made them crazy, right? And I always say it's like when your moms die. I mean, I. I believe that it's. It's a different type of pressure that you can't answer. You're not prepared for it when it's going to happen. You don't know if you're going to snap. You're going to get depressed, you're going to go crazy. You're going to. This is about the biggest shit that could ever happen.

[Bob Crawford]

You're going to do all of those things. That's what I tell people in different forms. The way I explain it is the book of my life with my mother. And it has the end on it, which means I can't add no more chapters. So if your parent is still here, add as many chapters as you can. Because if the circle of life go the way they want it to go, then one day you gonna have to put the end on your book, too. And your life will never be the same after that. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

No, I gotta shout out my brother Dre from Cool and Dre. Because sometimes you think people. But like, you know, when your parents are here and they'd be like, yo, spend more time with them. You don't know. I'm telling you this, this, that you hear them, but you also saying, yo, why these guys keep telling me this shit? Right? And so me. But he would always tell me, yo. And I'll be like, yo, I'm. I'm. I'm going with my mom's house, my father's house. Cause I bought her my house. That shit was like an hour and a half away from me. I still would drive up two, three times a week. Week. That's a long drive, bro. Right?

[Fat Joe]

And.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

And the man would be like, yo, you doing the right thing. You're doing the right thing. You're doing the right thing. I'll be like, all right, cool. Cause, you know, calling you Norries and Makoto and, yo, I got the steaks, lobsters. The one is how everybody's trying to distract you. But you gotta know that the nucleus of you, you know, the people who brought you into this world, you can't. You gotta spend as much time as you can with them. Because when the day's over, you know what I'm saying? And you can't communicate with them, it's over with forever.

[Bob Crawford]

And I know now that that hour drive that you was making, you'll make a 10 hour drive every day. If you could get them back just for.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Oh super facts. You know how we start to shoot.

[Fat Joe]

This show before we, you know. Cause we the rookies of the year. So when we were shooting the intro actually of us walking in the building and the stuff you see with the Joe and Jada logo, he was actually preparing for his mom's funeral. So that had. I'm like damn, this guy's is made out of steel. Yeah, they would have to find me and they would have to find me somewhere. I don't know what I would have been doing. Didn't buried his mom and we shot the first episode the next day. I'm looking at him like this guy.

[Jadakiss]

When you look back and you reflect on that, bro, especially with your mom, she be preparing you your whole life for that day. And it's so many things that your mom has taught you that you don't even know that you know until she gone. It's just like your survival pact kick in the way she do things like the way she love, like that's how you honor her, you know what I'm saying? Like my mom was the biggest giver, like a real life angel on earth. Like she dedicated her life to serving and that was the way that she found her happiness was being the light for other people. So when you have to go through that moment, fact anybody could tell you you can't, there is no way to prepare for that. Because that moment, that funeral comes and goes so fast. You sitting there and the next thing you know, you by yourself, it's over. It's like damn, when you look at it, it's like from death to the ground that happens. And it felt like 10 minutes and you can never go back. But the legacy, the love that she gave you, all of those things like that, it just changes you as a person, bro. That day is that feeling never goes away.

[Bob Crawford]

Never. And it's value in being able to discuss it because there's a lot of people who are going through it. And like I said, if the circle of life go the way it's supposed to go, we all going to have to go through it. And I watched my mother pass. I. I sat and watched her take her last breath. And I remember walking out of the hospital and the hospital room and it's the same hospital I watched my uncle pass away in. And I thought I was prepared. But when that light hit me and I came out that room, it Was like I felt something I never felt before. And ever since that day, it's gave me a greater understanding of what, like he said, what she did throughout the time of my life. Because now when I think about all of the different lessons that she gave me that I might not have understood in the moment. Cause I wanted to do what I wanted to do or whatever, now I get it. Like that responsibility that she instilled in me prepared me to be able to deal with her not being able to give it to me every day anymore.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Yeah, yeah, that shit, that whole thing is crazy. I had my mother and father pass away within two months. So I'm going to the hospital. I'm in the hospital and I'm going from room to room and they both sick. That shit was.

[Bob Crawford]

I salute to you, man. You know what I mean? For that. Salute to you is a pop as a father too, man. You know what I mean? I know your son has, you know, autism. Autism. And I did that type of work for years. And I know how much it takes to deal with that on a day to day basis, man. So salute to you for that, brother. And what you do and having to. People don't understand how serious we believe in.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

We don't. We don't abandon our kids. We believe in.

[Jadakiss]

That's commendable, bro.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

He's the biggest blessing. I feel like if you're not a real father, you abandon your kids. Kids, you'll be cursed.

[Jadakiss]

That's real.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

So my thing is like, you know what I'm saying? You gotta, you gotta support your kids, man, at all times because they're the biggest blessings. And with Joey, he's just the biggest blessing. He's happy all the time. He start. What's crazy is my mother and father really raised him right. And since they passed, he started doing shit he never did before. Like he's feeding himself all this stuff.

[Fat Joe]

You just said that the survival pack kicks in.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Yeah, he's starting for him. The other day he stood up and started dancing and. And they ran at him. Joey, like everybody was like, you know, and you know, you know, it's, you know, his favorite is Daddy Yankee, you know what I'm saying? So that came on and he was up there dancing and everybody went. He doing shit he never did before. Out of nowhere, he matured and he realized he got to get a little stronger and be a man rather than a kid. But, you know, Joey's the biggest blessing, man. We, we love him and I love that, you know, for years, you know, this rap shit Is. Is. Is dirty, treacherous, right? You know, when you got beef with all the dudes, I had beef with him. Rap, you gotta keep Joey tucked. Cause this shit could get real disrespectful out here. You know how these dudes do, right? They'll put him on the COVID of a DVD like, yo, this. So I always protected them. And the weirdest thing is just. Just one day, maybe I felt mature enough. I had no more beef with nobody. I said, man, let me show little Joey to the people. You know what I'm saying? They might have knew I had them. And, man, caught a lot of. Caught more love than you know how many people dealing with this, like, in real life and how many? Mostly the men leave.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

And leave the women alone with the. With. With the kid. Or even men, they. That deal with autistic or down syndrome kids. You got to respect them on another level. And me, because Joey is who he is. I could spot him even if I'm in a airport, I'm at a restaurant, I know these kids. So I immediately walk up to them and mad people be like, yo, thank you for Joey. You inspire us. But, you know, that's just family. You know what I'm saying? You got to be there for your family.

[Bob Crawford]

How many kids you got, J?

[Fat Joe]

Five.

[Bob Crawford]

Five. One.

[Fat Joe]

Boys, too. Girl got twins, that's why.

[Bob Crawford]

Oh, okay. Yeah. Two at the same time. That's what it is.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

They're twins. What's that like?

[Fat Joe]

Like we should ask you double everything, man. Double tuition, double camps, double Jordans, double doctors, double Jordans.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

When the doctor goes, surprise, quit. What do you say?

[Fat Joe]

Oh, yeah, that's what it was. See, it wasn't like it wasn't. Wasn't. You thought I was finished. I thought the roster was over. So you get the. You get the news, dude. Like, you know, it's. It's two of them. It's two of them. Let me take this out carefully. I don't got no twins in my family.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Different or like one? They got.

[Fat Joe]

I'm a Gemini, so I got two different things. They got one each. He got two. You know how you say Gemini's got personalities? They got two of my.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

His son Juwan is a personal consultant to the show. So when we feel like we too old, we ask them all the young dudes questions.

[Bob Crawford]

Oh, that's. That's what I do. I use my daughter for the same thing. She is my liaison into the Y N world.

[Jadakiss]

All the way.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

So quick.

[Bob Crawford]

Well, I mean, whatever it is, I be like, hey, baby, what this Mean, I know all the new slang and all of that. Cause of her keep you updated. She get me. She keeps keeping in the game, like. And that's the thing. Like, that's something we connect on because our kids the same age. And he got a boy, I got a girl, so. And then this man's son is six foot four. Like, six. Six.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

He ready to play for the Falcons or the. Or the Hawks or something. Hawks, no doubt.

[Jadakiss]

He loves some basketball. He love to dunk on people.

[Fat Joe]

That's what he does.

[Bob Crawford]

Crazy.

[Jadakiss]

Like, that man can really, like, get up out there.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, that's crazy. Six. Six. I know I'd be looking like, man, soon as I find that tall, your mama that look just like me. We don't have a problem.

[Jadakiss]

I tell them all the time, Brady, keep growing. I'm gonna have to help you find your real father.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

It ain't.

[Fat Joe]

Nope.

[Jadakiss]

You can go back three generations in my family, ain't nobody six. Six.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

You know, my mother and father both short. Like, really short.

[Jadakiss]

No, his mom, not sure short.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Oh, my mother father was short. I remember 12 years old, crossing the street with them, feeling doofy as dude, like, yo, I gotta hold their hand across the street.

[Bob Crawford]

And you didn't have to do that.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Well, they made me, you know, they made me do that. Okay. Like, you know, I had a real protective mother and father. You know what I'm saying? So they was like. They was doing all that. You know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

Who's who? Who's some of your biggest shows. Biggest guest y' all had, would y' all say, man.

[Jadakiss]

Man, the biggest.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, biggest.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

You know what?

[Fat Joe]

All the shows be dope, but, you know, it'd be one or two that was.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

What's the standard?

[Fat Joe]

Went out the park a couple, maybe.

[Jadakiss]

I. Boosie.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, all right.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

That's why it's Boosie.

[Bob Crawford]

Boosie.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

You know what we need, Boosie?

[Jadakiss]

We did an interview with Dr. Fauci.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, we did. Oh, yeah.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Fauci.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah. Yeah, we did. Dr. Fauci.

[Jadakiss]

Hey, fat Joe, you know what's crazy? Boosie would love to do this show. I can't, but from the South, Boosie, he always wanted to be embraced because he. He look at y'. All.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I was on.

[Fat Joe]

I don't know the love that he gets up here.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I did the remix, but I definitely.

[Jadakiss]

Relay it, too, to him and let him know.

[Fat Joe]

Playing with me, man, let me tell you something, Boosie.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Boosie is the truth.

[Bob Crawford]

Oh, without question.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

And I love what he stands for and everything he be Saying. He be saying the street. I can't say. Y' all think I say crazy. I watch Boosie.

[Fat Joe]

I'm like, next show is you and him. You. You and him need a show.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah. Well, no, that ain't gonna last for one episode.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I knew that.

[Jadakiss]

Come on, Fat Joe, man.

[Bob Crawford]

Come on, man.

[Jadakiss]

Come on, man.

[Bob Crawford]

No, no, I'm telling you. So Legend. Listen, man. That's my favorite. So Legend. The one that just told you was like, yo, this dude tried you with a dude tried you in the bathroom. And he was like, yo, we beat this dude. He drank piss water and everything.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Sure did.

[Bob Crawford]

I was like, the good thing is he never get.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

He never. Because the guys used to set me up. They come up in, your mom's a lesbian, your father's a dick. And it cost me 50,000 lawsuit. They got me at least 20 times.

[Jadakiss]

Damn.

[Bob Crawford]

Why did you keep letting them get you?

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Because they would come up and say the wildest, and you got to hook off on him. And then this one guy. This is the one guy. The reason why I gave him props in that story was this. The one guy took the ass whipping on the chin and didn't come and get me locked up. Didn't sue. You know, he just. He just took it walking. You know what I'm saying? A lot of guys now, you know. Not even now. Years ago, man. I got set up so many times. I was like a big. You big dummy. I was like a big dummy.

[Bob Crawford]

I mean, but. But how has the game changed in that regard now? Because y' all legends. I mean, so do you still have to move with that same intensity now that you did it in the 90s and the 2000s.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

See that guy there? Look.

[Bob Crawford]

I seen him in the airport. I saw him in the airport.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

No, no, that's rich. Bl. You see that guy? He looked.

[Bob Crawford]

I'm talking about him. I'm talking about him, cuz. That, like, he will headbutt your face loose. I saw him in the airport in the morning. I was like, man, a headbutt from. This nigga's the juggernaut.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Let me explain. All my security know. We fight. Just shoot when it's time.

[Bob Crawford]

That's it.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

We fight. We like. We actually like to fight.

[Bob Crawford]

Oh, I've seen Family show. The family show.

[Jadakiss]

No violence.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, none whatsoever.

[Jadakiss]

Non violence.

[Bob Crawford]

I mean, because y' all are. Y'.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

All.

[Bob Crawford]

Y' all been doing 100 million. Yeah, for sure. Y' all been doing it for so long to have to move through the game back in the day, like, what's I ask people this all the time. Like, what was the difference between being fan famous when famous was famous, like versus now, before the iPhone came before, before social media, before the Internet. What was that like?

[Fat Joe]

I think it was more. I think it was beautiful. I think it was like the best time. That's the. Huh. People got their different categories of the golden era, but I say the most golden era is before this, you know what I'm saying? When everything had to be in here. When you can do something and don't have to worry about. About somebody over there passing it to Harvey or whoever the he's. You know, any platform, when you was able to. When life was a little more private, you and when you had a good time, it had to be in here or in here. It was. No, I mean, if you missed, ain't no scrolling to find it the next day. You just missed it. You gotta wait till the next one.

[Jadakiss]

You gotta hear about it.

[Fat Joe]

I mean. Yeah, that's what I think was the best. Best time in my life.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Before my time.

[Fat Joe]

He was still catching lawsuits before somebody.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Yeah, I was catching law. I was set up.

[Fat Joe]

Let's go to another se. My man.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

You know, Mike Tyson paid so much money. Mike Tyson was like that too. They used to set him up, used to start with him $100 million million dollars. Like they. They catching Mike Tyson all the time. I had to teach myself.

[Bob Crawford]

I think I want a million dollars that back bad.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I don't think I wanted that.

[Bob Crawford]

I don't want it. I don't want that.

[Jadakiss]

But no, if Mike hits you, you'll never be the same bro, ever. You got to wake up every morning and drink a chocolate milk, and he.

[Bob Crawford]

Going to your neck.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

He going to you.

[Bob Crawford]

You got to drink it.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Chocolate milk every morning. He beat a guy up last year on the plane, but he was just giving them rib shots. He. He purposely wasn't hitting the burp again, that guy.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, I don't want to run into none of that. Like, even every story that you hear about y'. All. Back in the day, the Terror Squ said you guys were the Terror Squad.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Allegedly.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, the Terror Squad and the Warlocks.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, the. Yeah, the Warlocks. Yeah. Like, that's just a different type of era.

[Jadakiss]

I couldn't imagine they beat up with a chain, big ass lock on them.

[Bob Crawford]

Allegedly.

[Jadakiss]

Allegedly.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

You know what I'm saying?

[Jadakiss]

Not just fights, these brawls with a whole club. Everybody fight the motor pissed on himself.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Everybody that Joe is outside with.

[Jadakiss]

211 Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, and everybody that speaks Spanish.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, for real. And one check of Slovakian. That's the one you got worried about.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Yo, where's my man from? We got one, yo.

[Fat Joe]

We got one, huh?

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Croatia. We got.

[Bob Crawford]

You see what I'm saying?

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

And then, like, the human proto next day on. So look, it's me, Nina Sky, Nori Jadakiss cousin. And the Croatian guy.

[Jadakiss]

And the Croatian guy.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

You need the Croatian.

[Jadakiss]

But I wanted to ask y' all this, though. It's like, you know, people throw around the word legends and, you know, icons and stuff like that, but y' all still active in the game, bro. You know, like, before you got to taste the success and you make your little checklist of shit that you want to do. You know, I want to work with this person. I want to get this and get, you know, do the vacations, get a house, get a car, career. Whether you have anything left on your list of things that you want to do.

[Fat Joe]

It's not enough.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

It's not enough. It's not enough.

[Fat Joe]

I mean, like, he always say, you blessed, you. You thankful. You able to do the things in life you want, but you gotta keep working, mister.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

You know, you gotta keep working.

[Fat Joe]

I'm able to put kids through college by my mom and crib, stuff like that. So those is, I guess, the. Some of the biggest accomplishments. But, you know, we right here filming right now. They pay some more bills.

[Bob Crawford]

That's the beautiful part. Like, did you see yourself, like, back in the day? Like, you know, nobody really had the ability to know the trajectory of the way that the game was gonna go, but you guys are media personalities now.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Let me answer this. How about I'm the guy who didn't tell the stories? How about I'm the guy who used to hang out with Biggie Smalls all the time and now never took a picture with him?

[Bob Crawford]

Damn.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I was thinking, this street shit, yo, we take no pics. We. This. I was the guy not telling the stories. And then who knew?

[Fat Joe]

Figured it out.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Get up in here, start talking these podcast stories, and they start going through the wazoo. And I said, oh, these people want to hear some of this. But before I did podcast, Kanye will pull up on on me. Pharrell. All the nice guys will pull up on me. Like, yo, tell me. Drake, pull up on me. Drake, pull up on me. Yo, tell me the stories. Tell me about the time you was at Certain. And, you know, I would tell them this.

[Bob Crawford]

Joe's campfire.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Fat Joe's campfire. Pharrell, Kanye, Drake. All those guys wanted to Hear the story.

[Fat Joe]

You got to sit around the fire. I got a new show for volume. How Logan and James and all y', all y' all at me. Fat Joe's can't fight.

[Jadakiss]

For real?

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Nah. But I got. I got. I got an idea. James is legendary. That we can slap onto this pause. But, you know, I got an idea. You know what I'm saying? I'm thinking about turning these stories into, like, Charlie Murphy. Remember when Charlie Murphy was telling them stories? Nobody believed Charlie Murphy, Prince with fucking heels and the whole crew with, you know, my stories. I'm about to get some comedians to act them shits out or something.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, I want to be in the one where you told about AI in Chicago. Like, that's.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

No, no, that was in Virginia.

[Bob Crawford]

No, no, no, no. I'm talking about the one with the. Dude, what was it? KO Kano. KO Kato in Chicago.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Yeah, Remember that one?

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, listen, I've been tuned in for a long time. Like, that story is like. He said, man, he told Iverson. He said, yo, his wife get out the car. She was the first one with the BBL and all this shit. She got out the car with pasties.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Tooth strings on her nipples, dead ass naked with a hundred. She had a hundred guys. They had a Chicago. Anybody in Chicago Less than 100? No, less than 100.

[Bob Crawford]

He say he got his man in the car. His man of a freaked out fiend. He was like, you get out the guy, yo, he was like, don't look over there.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Don't look over there. Oh, my God. Said, bro, they will kill you. Do not look at that. You gotta ignore. You had to actually ignore that the girl, the most beautiful girl you ever seen is butt naked next to. To you. And you gotta act like she ain't there. Don't look that way. So I have a birthday party. They come down, right? It was MTV Awards afterparty, Missy. Everybody's in there. Y' all guys was right there, and she's standing up there looking like a alien. At that time. What I'm trying to tell you is nobody had the theory. She was like. And AI was like, yo, I need to get that. And I was like, I would have been. Don't mistake.

[Fat Joe]

Take evidence.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Yo, listen, the man kept telling me, yo, I got to get at that. I have to. I sat him down. I said, listen, man, I'll tell you what he say.

[Bob Crawford]

This is what he say. He said, yo, he said, nigga, they're going to kill you. And not regular. They're going to kill you in the middle of the court, doing the game on tv.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Yes.

[Fat Joe]

That's how serious that.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Shoot, that's serious.

[Fat Joe]

Kato was ex's men.

[Jadakiss]

He's talking about how they might have to stab Mike Tyson.

[Bob Crawford]

And they was going to send Lucha first because he was the biggest.

[Fat Joe]

He was 21 fingers. Who was going to have to be the. Who was going to have to be. Have eternal brain damage. That's fucked up.

[Bob Crawford]

Rock, paper, scissors for that decision.

[Fat Joe]

He's like, cause I'm not. I was never even qualified. I was never even going to beat it. I was always 30. I was never going to beat first or second. I was being loose for the whole thing.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

That ain't right.

[Sarah Spain]

Welcome to Pretty Private with ebony, the podcast where silence is broken and stories are set free. I'm ebony, and every Tuesday, I'll be sharing all new anonymous stories that would challenge your perceptions and give you new insight on the people around you. On Pretty Private, we'll explore the untold experiences of women of color who faced it all. Childhood trauma, addiction, abuse, incarceration, grief, mental health struggles and more. And found the strength to make it to the other side. My dad was shot and killed in his house. Yes, he was a drug dealer. Yes, he was a confidential informant, but he wasn't sure. Shot on a street corner. He wasn't shot in the middle of a drug deal. He was shot in his house, unarmed. Pretty Private isn't just a podcast. It's your personal guide for turning storylines into lifelines. Every Tuesday, make sure you listen to Pretty Private from the Black Effect podcast network. Tune in on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

A foot washed up, a shoe with some bones in it. They had no idea who it was.

[Bob Crawford]

Most everything was burned up pretty good from the fire that not a whole lot was salvageable.

[Sarah Spain]

These are the coldest of cold cases. But everything is about to change. Every case that is a cold case.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

That has DNA right now in a.

[Sarah Spain]

Backlog will be identified in our lifetime. A small lab in Texas is cracking the code on DNA Using new scientific tools. They're finding clues in evidence so tiny you might just miss it.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

He never thought he was going to get caught. And I just looked at my computer screen. I was just like, ah, gotcha.

[Sarah Spain]

On America's Crime Lab, we'll learn about victims and survivors, and you'll meet the team behind the scenes at othram, the Houston lab that takes on the most hopeless cases to finally solve the unsolvable. Listen to America's Crime Lab on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Bob Crawford]

Our iHeartradio Music Festival, presented by Capital One, is coming back to Las Vegas. Vegas, September 19th and 20th, streaming live only on Hulu. Ladies and gentlemen, Brian Adams, Ed Sheeran, Fade Glorilla, Jelly Roll, John Fogarty, Lil Wayne, Ellie, LL Cool J, Mariah Carey, Maroon 5, Sammy Hagar, Tate McRae, the Offspring, Tim McGraw.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Tickets are on sale now at AXS.com get your tickets today AXS.com Sometimes it's.

[Sarah Spain]

Hard to remember, but going through something.

[Jadakiss]

Like that is a traumatic experience. But it's also not the end of your life.

[Sarah Spain]

That was my dad reminding me and so many others who need to hear it that our trauma is not our shame to carry and that we have big, bold and beautiful lives to live after what happened to us. I'm your host and co president of this organization, Dr. Lea Tritate. On my new podcast, the Unwanted Sorority, we wade through transformation to peel back healing and reveal what it actually looks like and sounds like in real time. Each week I sit down with people who've lived through harm, carried silence, and are now reshaping the systems that failed us. We're going to talk about the adultification of black girls mothering as radio resistance and the tools we use for healing. The Unwanted Sorority is a safe space, not a quiet space. So let's lock in. We're moving towards liberation together. Listen to the Unwanted Sorority. New episodes every Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

You know what I'm saying? That ain't right. We fought a boxer, right? We had a big brawl in the club in man back in Manhattan. They used to hand these bounces these guys was to the sky cock diesel. They just throw you out. They threw us out. It was four of us and one of the guys that we was fighting, they threw him out too.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, Wash.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

So wash if he threw one of.

[Fat Joe]

Them with three, four.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Yeah, let's see. Not only that, he knocked out the biggest Terror squad gladiators like so to Montana. My best friend, he was. He was the one. If there was ever a leader in terror squad, it's him. He knocked him out. So he knocked him out. When it the flip forward right then, my man. I don't want to say all their names because they might be alive. I'm talking about they might be alive. No, no, no. I mean like, you know what I'm saying, man. No, he knows the story, you know when he knows hold Up.

[Jadakiss]

Not my man.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

No, I got for you. No, it wasn't Rich.

[Fat Joe]

No, he went up.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

The next one come up, he knocks him out. We don't know he's a boxer. No, no, he knocked him out. Cool. This guy, he wins all his fights. This guy, my man, he wins street fights. He wins. He got knocked out. The next one came, got knocked out. Now I'm the fat, big white guy. I'm the last guy he think is gonna violate him. I throw a bottle at him and crack his open. He was like, yo, that ain't right. That. This ain't no boxing ring. Are you crazy? Are you think you knocking me out? But check this out. Check this out. The guy. Later, years later, 15 years later, this guy becomes champion of the world. He's from the Bronx. He becomes champion of the world, right? And we're proud of him. He's Puerto Rican, so we supporting them and shit like that. So one day, I go to Jimmy's Bronx Cafe, and I'm with him. We supporting him. You know what I mean? It's over. Long time ago. I never told him about. He got real drunk, and he sat down and he said, you know, I know where I know you from. And I was like, this is 15 years later, right? So he said, you know, I know where I know you from, right? You sitting in a chair with me. I never forget. We in Jimmy Sprouse Cafe. And I was like, nah, what are you talking about? He was like, your man told Montana, no, I knocked him out. Then your man such and such. He knew everybody he knocked out, too. He said, you hit me with the bottle. I said, yo, forget about that, man. You the champ of the world. Real talk. I'm like, yo, yo, forget about that. You the champ of the world. Then he came back. He was like, nah, fuck that. I never. I see about. I don't know if you doing the numbers. I got 100 niggas here.

[Bob Crawford]

I knew it. I was about to say.

[Jadakiss]

Yo, one.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

No, no, no. We had 100. I said, Bro, you're gonna get packed the biggest.

[Bob Crawford]

Jimmy's Bronx Cafe.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

What thousands of people was he been to Jimmy's Bronx Cafe. We up in there like this, and I'm like, I've been supporting this guy. I thought he didn't know. I thought he forgot or whatever the case may be. He brought it back. Fifteen years later, he's the champ of the world. We supporting him. We going to showing love. And they try to talk that he got too drunk. I was like, yo, bro, you don't want to get pounded. You don't want to get danced on right here, bro. You're gonna get danced on. He knows I know what I'm talking about. He's watching.

[Bob Crawford]

That's Bro.

[Jadakiss]

People always talk about the Tunnel. What was the other spot?

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

The Tunnel was the New York spot.

[Jadakiss]

So that was the craziest. What was the other. What's the other? Legendary.

[Fat Joe]

Besides the legendary.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

Besides the Tunnel. Yeah.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

You know, up in the Bronx, we had to fever. We fight the bounces every week. Every week. I don't even know why they kept letting us back in.

[Fat Joe]

Where the fight. Where the. With mad people. R B had mad fights at Greenhouse Stere. One of them shits, Chris Brown.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Oh yeah. I used to go to that spot down by the meat packing district.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

Pause.

[Jadakiss]

Wow.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

You remember that club. Club, right. That's when they got into it with. I think it was what, Chris Brown and Drake and all of it.

[Fat Joe]

R and B. It was some. Yeah. Breezy.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Nah, man, you know New York. Let me tell you something. New York with no. With no disrespect is survival of the fittest, male or female. No question. This is the only place. You pull up at a light and these chicks look like decent nurses and shit. It's singing. You get stabbed in your face, homie. You in a ditch and you looking at the car. You like, Jesus Christ. New York got different type of people just to go to the bodega and make it back. You come visit your cousins to go to the boat. Shit crazy. Like you go. It could just pop off everywhere. I don't know how to explain it to you. It just New York City. It pop or you the wrong place at the wrong time anyway.

[Jadakiss]

But.

[Bob Crawford]

But I gotta ask like, you from the Bronx, you from Yonkers. What's your favorite borough of the one you from?

[Fat Joe]

Nowhere. Word him for him. I'm. I'm answering for him.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

How you gonna answer for me? Harlem. Harlem, Bronx bron. Bronx dudes are like fake Harlem guys. You know what I'm saying? We right over the bridge.

[Jadakiss]

We about to have you in some more.

[Fat Joe]

Serious. I didn't. I never.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

It's like the knee bones connected to.

[Fat Joe]

The somebody looking rich. And face dog.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

He opened up the weed spot in Harlem. That's exactly what I mean.

[Bob Crawford]

Okay.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Bronx and Harlem are so connected.

[Fat Joe]

It's like cousins in a little bit.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Yeah, it's like cousins right there.

[Fat Joe]

But like each other.

[Bob Crawford]

Okay, how about that?

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

That's two. Two. That's crazy. Like I be hearing Bronx dudes talk About Harlem dudes and, like, I'll be like, yo, what are you talking about? You in Harlem every day. I like.

[Fat Joe]

I like Harlem. I like the.

[Bob Crawford]

I mean, Harlem. We know you be down there, like, Harlem.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I like B outside.

[Fat Joe]

I like bk. Bk. They got love for me and BK.

[Bob Crawford]

And Queens, man, the verses went crazy, man. That was one. That's the greatest verses ever. That's the greatest verses ever. That was the greatest. Yeah, you was on Adderall.

[Fat Joe]

Adderall War mode. Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

You know what I mean? When you apologize, you was like, yo.

[Fat Joe]

Anything for the sponsors.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, I was actually.

[Fat Joe]

You could take a blood test. I know they got shit that can take my blood test back then.

[Jadakiss]

I gotta ask y' all this, though. We ain't got in fan mode, bro.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, without question, what's Fat Joe's favorite.

[Jadakiss]

Fat Joe verse was Jadakiss favorite Jadakiss verse out of all your catalog. I'm like, if you heard this and you, like, that's the one that just take you to another level. Like, I was in my bag when.

[Fat Joe]

I did one of this one is. It's this. It's one of the songs from the Don Cartagena album.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Are you asking me to tell you what my favorite Jadakiss verse is or.

[Jadakiss]

Give me your favorite Fat Joe verse?

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

My favorite Fat Joe verses would be Big L, the Enemy. It was like, enough. Enough's enough. Federals tried to set me up put me in cuffs and crush what I lost into dust plus they want a nigga's soul but they know Big Joey Cracker Never rat a cat that he know for sure Death before the sauna I left the streets alone Since Tone Deceased it almost killed his mama so I'mma keep doing what I'm doing, you know? Big L threatened me and made me write the rhyme in front of him. And he was my little brother. He told me. He said I went gold for the first time. He said, I'm gonna take all your fans, Joe Hell was crazy, right? So he threatened me and made me write it in front of him. And he was letting me know, I'm taking all your fans. And so I had to get to, like, a. An elite level of. Of. Of rapping, you know what I mean? So anytime I hear that record, I'm.

[Bob Crawford]

Just like, wow, he was on one.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Like, I had to. I had to go. I had Big L threatening me right in my face.

[Fat Joe]

I don't have a favorite verse. I don't think I made it yet.

[Jadakiss]

Damn.

[Bob Crawford]

Damn.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

For real, huh?

[Bob Crawford]

You didn't been. You Got them freestyles.

[Fat Joe]

Best one didn't come yet. So word. That better be, bro. I got.

[Jadakiss]

When I listen to kids, I got questions, though. I be. You be leaving me in suspense. She say she was a model for a year and a half, and then.

[Bob Crawford]

She took her braids out. But why did she stop, though?

[Jadakiss]

What happened to her modeling career? What?

[Fat Joe]

She started in basketball player.

[Jadakiss]

Okay.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah. Anyway, I'm ki Double. I don't even care. What I was just talking about. I know my favorite. Hey, man, listen. My favorite Fat Joe shit is we thugging. That's my favorite shit, man. Listen. You said, got the mink on, same color, the range. I was like, yeah, that nigga Puerto Rican. He said, got the mink on, same color, the rain. That's my shit right there.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Tell you about that, right?

[Fat Joe]

That's Shelly, right?

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah. That's that shit. We thug and rolling on.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Pun had passed away, right? I never met R. Kelly. At the time, R. Kelly's a God. People just really. We talking about fame. And now, God forbid, he was doing them songs right now with Instagram and TikTok and all that. Like, he was like. He only rocked with Biggie and, I think, Nas at the time, right? So pump ass is away. You know, I'm depressed. I'm going through my stuff. I think it was All Star Weekend. And I walk up in there and R. Kelly's at the game. Like, R. Kelly was like, I don't even know how to explain it to you. And maybe in Chicago, he was regular. They knew him. But for us, we never really seen him like that. And when you see him, he was like, yo, Fat Joe. I was like, he's like, yo, Fat Joe. Joe Message. I walk over and I'm like, yo, what's up? I'm, like, really confused, like, how R. Kelly knows me. Rest in peace, Big Pun. I love you, Puerto Ricans. I grew up with the Puerto Ricans. In fact, R. Kelly introduced me to Kato from Chicago. He was down with the Puerto Ricans and the Mexicans. And R. Kelly, he got some serious juice out there, right?

[Jadakiss]

So it's apple juice.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he.

[Bob Crawford]

No, that's not the right shit to say Lo. No, he does not half. No, no, we're not gonna do that. That's the wrong one.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

That's not it.

[Bob Crawford]

That's what they serve at, man.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Can we do this right? So the long story short, he tells me, y' all want to do a song with you. At the time, I'm super street gangster. Like. Like, I have A crossover. I ain't the Fat Joe I am now, right? So I grab a shoulder, I said, don't lie to me. Don't tell me you doing the song. I'm not the one. If you say right now, you was just joking, it's cool. But don't tell me you doing the song, you ain't doing the song with you. This, this, that. Matter of fact, I'm gonna be in Orlando. Come down. At the time, I didn't even fly. So I drive down to. So, Ron G. Shout out, Ron G. Ron G. Cause no one would give me a hit beat. No one. If I went to the track masters, I went to the guys who made all the hits. They would give me locks, mob, Fat Joe beats. Nobody ever thought I was going to have a commercial hit. Nobody. And I knew all the hit makers, they just wouldn't give it to me. If I told them to give me something, they'll give me I shot you or something. They won't give me that. So Ron G was like, yo.

[Fat Joe]

I mean, this is all hits that he seen.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

No, no, no, no. I mean, like hardcore.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Street, you know, before Don Carter, all that was hard. Grimy.

[Fat Joe]

40 joints. You talk grime.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I'm talking about Frisbee, bro. You know, with. With a new audience, right? Not guys with razors in their mouth on it. So I remember, I'm in front of Jimmy's cafe, Ron G meets me. He gives me a. A beat cd, and we dug. And we start running around the car, the truck. Yo, yo. He kept. We knew immediately. It was crazy. So I drive down to Orlando. It's a true story. When I get in the studio, R. Kelly is there, the track master's is there. So I play him. We dug him with both verses. Joe cracking them at. And everybody in the room. These all New York guys was with him, right? They looking like, oh, we never heard crack rap like that. Like a R B hip hop, right? So he immediately dives off the couch and he got like a. You know, he's bugged out. Like, just be clear, right? He's so much of a genius. He's bugged out. So he grabs a tape thing, and I'm like, yo. And. And then. And then he goes, cool. So I play it for him. He was like, yo, that is fire. This. He always talk, like, smooth, like, yo, that fire right there, yo, you know this now, but I can't do it now. I said, what? He said, my teeth hurt. My teeth hurt. Right? So now this is Fat Joe the gangster. This Is the gangster. This is the shot of my life. So I'm looking at him, say what? He said, t first man. I can't do it. So I'm like, I drove 20 hours. I'm like looking at him. This, this, that. Then he gets up and walks out the door. He disappears out of the door. Now I'm there 30 minutes, an hour. Like, I'm trying to tell you I was really, really super gangster hood. I was not polished. My man that I get up, I open the door. When I open the door, it's three in the morning. There's a dentist working on his teeth with the chair back in the studio at three in the morning, man, get the on God. In the studio. I felt so bad because here I'm trying to go beef with him, right? Cause I'm thinking he trying to play me or something. The man got a dentist at 3 in the morning. I wasn't on that level of luxury or something. I never seen no like this.

[Bob Crawford]

I felt bad.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Yo, I told you my teeth hurt, Joe. This, this. I closed the door. Oh, I said, yo, I'm sorry. So we go to the hotel. Actually not even a hotel. The was like a motel. You know, them shits with the doors outside. The Orlando's at an extended hotel. The with the door. La Quinta in this, like that. So we up in there, it's like four or five of us, right? I waited day. I'm writing because I'm. I was. I think I was doing. No, what I was doing Jose. So I'm writing to beats. One more day come we don't hear from R. Kelly, right? One more day come I'm like, man, this man, your word. The mother. Let's go back to New York. The playing with us. This, this, this, this, this, this. So we get the truck ready and we about to pull over to New York. And the phone ring. And I'm like, yo, what's up? He's like, yo, it's Kells. I said, yo, Kels. Like I'm looking at me, hold up. I'm like, yo, Kels, what's up? He was like, listen, he played, we talk and rolling on th all up.

[Bob Crawford]

In the club and wilding like. And I was like, I didn't even know Jason. And I got four honeysuck and man, Joe's got keys to the top and it's full of honeys panties with no talk we take up of a draw and be like.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

So when he played that, it only been Biggie. It only been Nas at that time. Not even Jay and him wasn't working yet. And I said, top Dog, baby, I got it. I got it. I'm like, I got. So we. You remember we used to throw them Terror Squad pool parties in Miami. Everybody you name was there. AI him, cam, this, this.

[Jadakiss]

We tried to get in a few of them, but you had hun.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Yo, listen.

[Bob Crawford]

And I was 12.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I still was trying to c party. That was bananas. It was out of control. These food parties. I be promoter. And I remember all the rappers was there. They was there, Cam. All of them. Buster, all of them. And I went to the dj and I was like, yo, press play. And that came on. We thug and bro. And I seen every fabs. I seen everybody's face, and they was like, this got one of Frisbee. Is that Cows? Is that all on the hood? Look like it was looking around like, oh, my God. This last thing we needed was this. With one of these, it was over and. And, you know, it changed my life. It's the first big hit I ever had, man.

[Bob Crawford]

Man, that's love right there, man.

[Fat Joe]

What y' all got? What you got an upcoming talk on.

[Bob Crawford]

Oh, yeah, man. Spin the Block, man. Spin the block. We going back out, man. We going back out in the city again. All the cities, man. And that's the beautiful part. Like, that's why we calling it Spin the Block. Cause a lot of these places we've been blessed to have, but the people love us, man, and we love them. So we hitting a lot of the spots that we done been through. And the beautiful part about our show is it's improv. You know, it's all improv. We ain't never practiced. We ain't never, you know, got together and said, we gonna say this or say that. So every show is different.

[Fat Joe]

That's fire.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah. So every time we go, they get a different show. So that's why we can be excited about going back to places that we've been before, because, you know, we gonna give them something different. And we got new experiences and new things to talk about. The world has changed, and we always go off the top of our. So it's gonna be beautiful, man. Make sure you get your tickets.

[Jadakiss]

You know how that shit is when you on tour and you get to this time. We got to, like, pick and choose, like, where we want.

[Fat Joe]

Where you want to go.

[Jadakiss]

And we can go, like, not just for the cities, but that's good spots. We like to perform. Theaters that just had a different type of ambiance and arenas and shit. Like, that so now it's like we kind of went through a hand picked, like exactly where we wanted to be. So it's gonna be a dope experience because we familiar with all the places. We got a dope ass audience and we know a lot.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

You guys, you guys didn't want to.

[Jadakiss]

Travel and come see us.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I remember the one special y' all had, right? We had it on Netflix or something. Yeah, I watched that, man. That was crazy. And the love, the love that your city, you know, well, you from originally.

[Bob Crawford]

I'm from dc, he from Mississippi.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Atl. That kind of love they give y'. All.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, but they show us love, you.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Know, I love the atl. You know, Jada knows I say this all the time, man, I wish I moved there a year years ago. And it's just because I just love the camaraderie. I love how y' all love on each other. Pause, right? Everybody gets love. And it's unity.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

You know what I'm saying? It's unity. And. Oh, you doing the Jadakiss, yo. That's the. Yo, Jadakiss ran under a pillow yesterday. He was like the smallest Little Joe. And Jada, he found a new one. He's one.

[Bob Crawford]

Trying.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Yo. He's trying to. The little man. You seen the little man?

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, yeah. That's what I remember.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

You know, that's facts.

[Bob Crawford]

And you know what else I did. And they, they tried to. They be. They be trying to kill you. Saying you don't let people talk and all that. You be lying. Fuck that. They do have a Bronx day in Atlanta.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Hello. Listen, they never wanna pay me.

[Bob Crawford]

No, it just. It's just the fact that, you know.

[Fat Joe]

That's him though. He'll tell you. Jermaine Dupree is from the Bronx.

[Bob Crawford]

Oh, yeah. He didn't gave me the joint with the dates on it. So we got September 6th, we in Detroit, the 7th, Indianapolis, the 20th, Columbia, South Carolina. Then the 21st, Greensboro, Philly, Fairfax, Memphis, Nashville, Dallas, Houston, Hampton, Charlotte, Birmingham, New Orleans, Chicago, Cincinnati, and then we're going to end it off in Atlanta.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Let me tell you something I heard there.

[Fat Joe]

I got to catch it.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Hold up. All I got to come out is a bunch of money, right?

[Bob Crawford]

Why you hit that?

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

You guys are getting a bunch of money. That's all I heard there was.

[Bob Crawford]

Not with him. Hey, they're getting to the back. I have to recommend the rewind the time.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Rewind the time.

[Bob Crawford]

No, no, you don't. I ain't gotta go turkey. You ain't gotta rewind the Time you gotta rewind.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

You want to look.

[Fat Joe]

I learned about this. Look los, look los. You could get one that's like this right now. The black with the rego teeth. That's the deal.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Yo, listen, peep the number.

[Fat Joe]

I need my deal.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Why look 48 when you can look 36? Why look 36 when you could look 20? Me too. See, as, as you know, the numbers go down while it's going down, you got the why fight the time when you can rewind the time.

[Fat Joe]

And all our custom, all our guests.

[Jadakiss]

She gonna tell you, let me get a deal.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

No, no.

[Jadakiss]

When I use like this, like if I get a role or audition or something like this, the ladies get mad as hell.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

They like the great.

[Jadakiss]

They just like you think so leave it. This is a whole different audience.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

That's why we ain't going to church, Turkey.

[Jadakiss]

When you got it, then you start attracting women that own homes. SL 500s and like that. Insurance.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

No, I like that. She like to go on vacation big time.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, women that'll pay for you.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

And you ever want to feel brand new, rewind it at Sally's and cvs Sally's.

[Jadakiss]

Once you an older, you just old, nigga. You can shave that shit off.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I'mma be you just old nigga. I'm a young old nigga.

[Jadakiss]

I'm not 36 and 48 is literally the same thing.

[Fat Joe]

Get that Kiss Cafe again.

[Bob Crawford]

You know what I mean? Watch the 85 south shows. Spend the bar, you start drinking coffee.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Me and my dad been, we love 85 South.

[Bob Crawford]

Oh yeah. I got a stand up special on Hulu right now. Watch that. You know, if you got Hulu. If you don't got Hulu, download it, watch it, and then you can take it off after you watch it.

[Fat Joe]

Ladies and gentlemen, give make a some loud noise for our guest Chico, my brother Lo on the Joe and Jaden show.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

He appreciates y'. All.

[Bob Crawford]

Hey, thank you.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Good.

[Sarah Spain]

Join iHeartradio and Sarah Spain in celebrating the one year anniversary of iHeart Women's Sports. With powerful interviews and insider analysis, our shows have connected fans with the heart of women's Sports. In just one year, the network has launched 15 shows and built a community united by passion podcasts that amplify the voices of women in sports. Thank you for supporting iHeart women's sports and our founding sponsors, E L F Beauty, Capital One and Novartis. Just open the free iHeart app and search iHeart Women's Sports to listen now.

[Bob Crawford]

I'm Bob Crawford, host of American History.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Hotline a different type of podcast.

[Bob Crawford]

You, the listener, ask the questions.

[Jadakiss]

Did George Washington really cut down a cherry tree?

[Sarah Spain]

Were JFK and Marilyn Monroe having an affair?

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

And I find the answers.

[Bob Crawford]

I'm so glad you asked me this question.

[Sarah Spain]

This is such a ridiculous story.

[Bob Crawford]

You can listen to American History Hotline.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

On the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Sarah Spain]

Just like great shoes, great books take you places through unforgettable love stories and into conversations with characters you'll never forget. I think any good romance, it gives me this feeling of like butterflies. I'm Danielle Robay.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Hi.

[Sarah Spain]

And this is bookmarked by Reese's Book Club, the new podcast from hello Sunshine and I Heart Podcast, where we dive into the stories that shape us on the page and off. Each week I'm joined by authors, celebs, book talk stars, and more for conversations that will make you laugh, cry, and add way too many books to your TBR pile. Listen to Bookmarked by Reese's Book Club on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Wherever you get your podcasts.

[Bob Crawford]

What would you do if one bad decision forced you to choose between a maximum security prison or the most brutal boot camp designed to be hell on earth? Unfortunately for Mark Lombardo, this was the choice he faced.

[Fat Joe]

He said, you are a number, a New York state number, and we own you.

[Bob Crawford]

Listen to Shock incarceration on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.