Albee Al shares his WILD journey: incarceration, tragedy & New Jersey hood life

Summary

Joe and Jada Podcast: Albee Al Shares His WILD Journey – Incarceration, Tragedy & New Jersey Hood Life

Episode Date: February 5, 2026
Guests: Albee Al
Hosts: Fat Joe & Jadakiss
Produced by: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume

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Episode Overview

In this powerful episode, Fat Joe and Jadakiss welcome Jersey City rapper Albee Al for a raw, unfiltered conversation about street life, incarceration, tragedy, and the hard road of perseverance in the world of hip-hop. Albee Al opens up about the reality of growing up in Jersey City’s Marion Projects, losing his brother while behind bars, the struggles of returning home after prison, giving back to his community, and the code of the streets versus the shifting values of the new generation. The hosts and guest candidly reflect on the evolving landscape of hip-hop, the trap of “street credibility,” and the consequences of choices, loyalty, and betrayal.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Albee Al’s Background & Jersey City Roots ([03:21]-[05:34])

• Introduction to Albee Al: Fat Joe and Jadakiss set the tone by honoring Albee’s authenticity and the “cloth” he comes from, tying it to Jersey City’s Marion Projects—that “real street” environment.
• Jersey City vs. Newark: “So you from Jersey City, not Newark?” ([05:18])—The importance of local identity and street reputation laid out, with Fat Joe reminiscing about his own time hiding out in Jersey.
• Shouting out Jersey: The trio show strong unity and pride in New Jersey street culture and the local legends who mentored or influenced them.

2. The Comeback: Music & the Bittersweet Return ([05:40]-[08:09])

• Return from Incarceration: Albee explains he’s been home for three years, rebuilding his music career after signing a deal with Ghazi but then going to jail.
  • “It feel good too, man. It feel like before I went to jail…now I finally feel like I got run.” ([05:48] – Albee Al)
• Struggles During Incarceration: Money from the deal barely enjoyed—spent instead to support his family and legal fees.
• New Album Origins: The album “Everyday June 30th” was inspired by the loss of his brother, marking the ten-year anniversary and blending new songs with old classics.
  • “If you know my story, you know everything I do is for my brother. My brother got killed when I was locked up…So I dropped that album and just added like 12 new songs and put like some of the old songs that people like favorites…Shit went crazy.” ([07:29]-[08:09] – Albee Al)

3. Tragedy & Loss: The Death of Albee’s Brother ([08:09]-[11:48])

• On Hearing the News in Jail:
  • Albee tells the harrowing story of finding out his brother was killed while he was awaiting trial for murder, reflecting the helplessness and pain:
    • “My mom’s told me my brother got killed…They put me on suicide watch after that. It was like. It was real rough for a nigga, you feel me?” ([10:09]-[10:53] – Albee Al)
• Not Allowed at the Funeral:
  • Police declared him "too dangerous" to attend, intensifying his grief and hardening his outlook.
    • “So I couldn’t even see him or nothing. So I had to eat that. And that turned me to a different type of like, made me so cold…” ([10:55]-[11:12])
• Street Realities & Cold Lessons: The panel reflects on the fleeting loyalty of relationships when trouble hits (“She sucked dick 10 minutes later.” – Fat Joe, [11:19]), and the “growing pains” of the game.

4. Street Mentality, Incarceration & The Old vs. New Generation ([13:43]-[18:54])

• Glorification of Violence:
  • Jadakiss and Albee Al break down how, in their neighborhoods, catching a body is often worn as a badge of honor by youths, overshadowing the value of making money or positive achievements.
    • “Unless you got a body, them young boys don’t respect nothing…Scoreboard.” ([16:12] – Jadakiss)
• A Brutal Economy of Respect: And now, kids “eat 20s”—serving 20-year sentences—as if they’re nothing.
  • “I was locked up...16, 17, 20 years old, really sizing up like, 'I’ll be home 38.' Like, be okay with that. Like, they eating them 20s. Like it’s nothing but Happy Meals.” ([16:41]-[17:26] – Jadakiss)
• What Prison Really Takes:
  • Fat Joe emphasizes the cost of lost time and how few come home and succeed after decades behind bars.
    • “The most valuable thing you have in life, besides health, is time.” ([17:26] – Fat Joe)
  • The embarrassment of GoFundMe funerals after a life spent hustling with nothing to show for it ([18:29]-[18:54]).

5. Giving Back & Frustrations with Politics ([12:05]-[13:43])

• Clashes with City Hall: Jadakiss spotlights how Albee’s community efforts (toy drives, back-to-school, youth events) run into resistance from local politicians.
  • “Part of having power…you need the governors, the mayor sometimes on your side to help you elevate. Especially when you’re trying to do for where you from…still keep blocking for real.” ([12:05] – Jadakiss / Albee Al)
• Albee’s Motivation:
  • He wants to bring real inspiration to the youth: “They only see certain people on Instagram…I want to show them, like…we never seen nobody famous in the hood coming up.” ([13:01]-[13:26] – Albee Al)

6. Old Head Influence, Manipulation & The Street Continuum ([22:50]-[25:44])

• Impulsiveness = Prison:
  • Fat Joe shares wisdom from his uncle Jabu, 29 years behind bars:
    • “He said the best thing you could do is sit back and analyze…Being impulsive is the biggest mistake anybody could do.” ([21:15] – Fat Joe)
• Cycle of Violence: Jadakiss describes how he tries to mentor young relatives to break the cycle, lamenting how he and his peers once “lived up to the wrong shit”:
  • “My old heads was telling me to go…Y’all trying to live up to my shit, y’all ain’t even nowhere close.” ([23:52]-[24:17] – Jadakiss)

7. Guns, Violence, and Surveillance in Today’s World ([25:44]-[27:25])

• Weapons Progression: Jadakiss notes generational shift in the street arms race:
  • “Who used to get the guns from the old heads back in the day. Nowadays, old heads get the guns from the young niggas. Shit, it’s flipping.” ([25:28] – Jadakiss)
• No Getting Away with Crime Anymore: Fat Joe offers caution: with cameras everywhere (even Teslas), everything is caught—“If you pop off, just know you going to jail.” ([26:00]-[27:25])

8. Old Heads Manipulating Youth & Broken Recognitions ([24:19]-[26:00])

• Toxic Mentorship: Fat Joe calls out “old heads” who “are bums” but manipulate the youth to do the dirty work, perpetuating cycles of violence and incarceration.
  • “That’s the biggest cancer in America…When the old heads got these young kids brainwashed and manipulated to do they dirty work for him.” ([24:20] – Fat Joe)
• Shifting Respect: “Rollies, cars, were trophies. Now it’s bodies.” ([16:41]-[17:26] – Jadakiss)

9. Real vs. Fake in Hip-Hop, Snitching & Accepting Rats ([50:03]-[55:24])

• On Unwritten Rules:
  • The crew laments the changing code—snitching used to be “career-ending,” now it’s overlooked if the music is hot.
    • “That used to push you out the industry back in the day…now it’s like, a motherfucker, if you call a motherfucker that’s a rat and he know he a rat, his man gonna up pole on you…like, you about to kill a real nigga for saying the obvious.” ([52:05]-[52:27] – Jadakiss)
  • Fat Joe describes the cognitive dissonance: “We sound dinosaur. We almost playing ourselves, like, yo, we ain’t with this rat shit, yo…They looking at you now. What are you talking about?” ([54:51] – Fat Joe)
• Music Overrides Morality: Nowadays, popularity and hits seem to matter more than integrity, compared to the R. Kelly controversy ([54:02]-[54:51]).

10. Story Time: Fat Joe’s Encounter with a Legendary Snitch and Being ‘Used’ ([58:53]-[64:52])

• Anonymous Confrontation: Fat Joe tells a charged story about confronting a notorious “rat” from the Bronx, standing up for principle despite pressure and manipulation in the industry.
  • “I said, now look at me, you rat motherfucking bastard piece of shit…you ever in your fucking life, cuz, it just happened.” ([58:53]-[62:28] – Fat Joe)
• Being Manipulated: Joe reflects on patterns of “being used” to be the muscle or front-liner for other people’s beef.

11. Navigating Reputation, Social Media, and Gossip ([69:13]-[71:24])

• Don’t Believe Everything You Hear: Both hosts emphasize verifying the messenger and the background, especially in the Instagram era.
  • “As a real nigga, you gotta do your homework on whatever anybody telling you.” ([70:31] – Jadakiss)
• Recurring Street Wisdom: “Don’t cross the street if it ain’t green. Don’t drive the car if you ain’t got a license. And that’s just the way it goes, you know, within yourself, if you could do the time or you can’t, man, don’t be pretending.” ([71:07] – Fat Joe)

12. The Power of Perseverance & Authenticity ([74:25]-[75:18])

• Music as Testimony: Albee Al presents his song “Look Through My Eyes,” a tribute to DMX and an outpouring of pain, struggle, and resilience:
  • “I see, see it do as I do be who I be walking my shoes, you going to hurt your feet…it get cold outside.” ([75:26] – Albee Al, rapping)
• Hip-hop’s Pain and Hope: The performance closes on recognition of Albee’s “real pain” and the hope that comes from sharing those truths.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the cost of impulsiveness:

  • “Being impulsive is the biggest mistake anybody could do…when you young, you feel like you invincible.” ([21:15] – Fat Joe)

• On snitching and the new era:

  • “Once you told once, you’ll tell twice. If you fold once, you’ll fold twice.” ([53:57] – Jadakiss)

• On the real value of street life:

  • “They eating 20s like it's nothing but Happy Meals.” ([16:41]-[17:26] – Jadakiss)

• On giving back:

  • "I do so much for my community...I do shit out of rant. I don't even gotta be...just 'cause I feel like it and I gotta influence..." ([12:05]-[13:26] – Albee Al)

• On modern hip-hop collaborations:

  • “We came from the time when you…had to go to the studio to do [features]. That helped us now…” ([50:53] – Jadakiss)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:21–05:34 – Albee Al’s Jersey City background
• 05:40–08:09 – Returning home, new project, losing his brother
• 08:09–11:48 – Story of finding out about his brother’s death in jail
• 13:43–18:54 – Hood mentality, the “scoreboard” of violence, time lost in prison
• 22:50–25:44 – Street wisdom, the mistakes of impulsive actions
• 25:44–27:25 – Guns, street escalation, and surveillance
• 50:03–55:24 – Snitching, hip-hop values, the changing code
• 58:53–64:52 – Fat Joe’s confrontation with a legendary snitch, being used in street drama
• 74:25–75:18 – Albee Al performs “Look Through My Eyes,” paying tribute to DMX

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This episode offers a gripping slice of street life, authenticity, hard-earned lessons, and a critique of both street and hip-hop culture—from the trenches of Jersey City to the ever-changing currents of rap. Through Albee Al’s story, Fat Joe and Jadakiss lay bare both the streets’ glamour and their cost, making for an episode that’s equal parts sobering and inspiring.

Transcript

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[Jadakiss]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Jadakiss]

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[Jadakiss]

They thinking, oh, he dissed me. Or he played me, all that shit. And I know the feeling. Cause I was one of them. So I can't even. So that's why I be like, you could learn from me. Because I used to be who you are today. And I was way worse than that. Yeah. Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

What up, y'? All? Joe Crack the Dawn.

[Jadakiss]

You know who it is. Your boy, Jada. This is the Joe and Jada Show. Every show legendary. Every show iconic. And we fucking destroying.

[Fat Joe]

Nah, these guys. These guys are the. To say the least, bro. These guys in the river.

[Jadakiss]

When you think of today's guest.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, flabby is sick.

[Jadakiss]

You think of Jersey City marrying projects. Think of the streets. Think of bars. Think of that cloth. You think of, you know, taking on a lot of shit and persevering and doing your thing. Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for.

[Fat Joe]

My brother, Al B. Albert.

[Jadakiss]

Honored to be here, man. Shout out to the Goats, man, The legends. Just to sit at this chair, this couch with y', all, man. It's full of love, man. I'm honored. I can't stop smiling. I ain't even that type, baby.

[Fat Joe]

Let me just tell you one thing. I gotta be honest with you. Right? Cause that's all we do. You're the first request of Jadakiss to come on this show.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

If it ain't Bruce Springsteen.

[Jadakiss]

He's lying. You're not my first request. As I had other requests.

[Fat Joe]

No. No request. Beyonce.

[Jadakiss]

It got to a point, bro. It got to a point. Federal anybody?

[Fat Joe]

I never seen no shit like this.

[Jadakiss]

They was fringe. Me in my shit.

[Fat Joe]

You heard me?

[Jadakiss]

Then I calmed down. I said, I see what this is. There's no power here.

[Fat Joe]

Just go with the foot.

[Jadakiss]

Then I chilled out for a while. Then you hit me like, bro, I got the new project. Now I'm like, I can't let my nigga down.

[Fat Joe]

I can't.

[Jadakiss]

This is.

[Fat Joe]

This one right here.

[Jadakiss]

I'm going to hr. Exactly.

[Fat Joe]

I said, listen, I talk, y'. All.

[Jadakiss]

Cause HR Is a lot of Jersey. Yeah, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Me.

[Jadakiss]

Y' all gonna front on Jersey. Yeah, yeah. Now we got you, yo.

[Fat Joe]

HR Is definitely a lot of Jersey in this.

[Jadakiss]

Shout out to James. Shout out to the. Shout out to Jersey James. He showed love on that Jersey since I walked in the street.

[Fat Joe]

So you from Jersey City, Not Newark.

[Jadakiss]

Not from Jersey City. Marion Projects.

[Fat Joe]

I used to Hide out in Kennedy Boulevard My aunt lived up whenever the cops. It was too hot for me in the Bronx and they looking for me all over. I used to be in that Kennedy Boulevard over there. Hiding out in my aunt's house.

[Jadakiss]

Oh, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Shout out my aunt Beva. Yeah, that's real talk. So Jersey City, huh?

[Jadakiss]

All the way in the building, in the spot. Easy style, man. Appreciate it, man. Word up. New project, which you. Before we even get into the new project, you've been. How long you been home for now? Three years. Three years. Make some noise for that. Yeah, man. Hell yeah. It feel good too, man. It feel like before I went to jail, it's like I just. I started, like, heating up. I signed a big deal with Shout out to Ghazi. I signed a big deal with Ghazi.

[Fat Joe]

Ghazi.

[Jadakiss]

What's up, baby?

[Fat Joe]

Shout out to Ghazi changed my life.

[Jadakiss]

2019. I signed a big deal with Ghazi. But I'm talking about the money hit my account July, I was in jail. September, you know what I'm saying? So I didn't even really experience. Hey, I bought my cars, a couple jewelry, you know what I'm saying? Took care of my mom's and everything. Took care of my bros. But I went right to jail right after that. And it was like, now all that money that I got, I'm paying it on lawyer fees, I'm paying to keep my car straight. Trying to make sure mom straight, all that shit. Know what I mean? So I was about to have my run. So now, right now I'm home, I'm back out here. So now I finally feel like I got run. I'm saying, like, I'm. So. I'm just taking it and just going with it non stop, full throttle.

[Fat Joe]

People don't understand. It takes work. Yeah. I was just telling your man, the African king over here.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Know what I mean? I was telling them it take work. So I've been seeing you grinding. I've been seeing you put in your work. I've been seeing you move and doing everything you gotta do. We started this podcast with no. No promise. Right? Right. We in here three times a week, going, going, going. Other guys might have thought we was delusional or whatever.

[Jadakiss]

Right? Right.

[Fat Joe]

But when people see the work, the grind, then they like, all right, I could invest some money with these guys because these guys work. Same for you. Your project's coming out through Ghazi. This project?

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, my own project just came out through Ghazi. Heard up. So that that's right there that. It just came out on Halloween. It came out on Halloween. It's doing crazy. Charted number four in the country of Apple music, you know what I'm saying? And it's special to me cause it's called every. And if you know my story, you know everything I do is for my brother. My brother got killed when I was locked up. So the name of that album is everyday June 30th. And that's the first album I ever put on a platform to stream, you know what I'm saying? So that's like, like that's like the first album I ever put on. So I like, it's the 10 year anniversary of that. So I dropped that album and just added like 12 new songs and put like some of the old songs that like, people like favorites, you know what I'm saying? And I added like 12 new songs on it. Shit went crazy.

[Fat Joe]

So you in jail? Mm. How do they tell you your brother just got killed on the streets?

[Jadakiss]

Oh, man, that shit, that shit was vicious, man. It was like, it was crazy because like, I told a story before, you feel me?

[Fat Joe]

You ain't telling. This is the biggest fuck where you told it. Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

You feel me?

[Fat Joe]

So like, you guys are fucking dodo birds, man. You talking to the real here. They gonna hear the shit now.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, so I was, when I was locked up or whatever, I was lodded for murder. And I was ready downstate for like a gun charge and going back and forth to the county to fight my murder charge. So I was coming out for wreck. I'm on the phone, I'm talking to my mom, calling my mom and shit. And my mom, she like, your brother want to talk to you. Your brother want to talk to you. I'm chasing a girl that was like holding me down. She was holding me down for three years straight strong. And she just tapped out like, I ain't doing no more time. Which probably got to her head like, I'm never coming home or something, you feel me? Because I've been saying I'm coming home every fucking year now. I'm like, I've been in this bitch three years now and I'm still fighting his body.

[Fat Joe]

So you something about that murder, that murder. When anybody catch that murder charge, they immediately abandon you. Your own family scared to go to court.

[Jadakiss]

Not for real, right?

[Fat Joe]

Because it's a serious thing. So everybody who think you're the most popular guy in the hood or whatever, you catch that murder charge to the world start to change on you.

[Jadakiss]

They don't give a fuck in that courtroom, you know what I'm saying? Like, so you got your moms in there, you feel me? She done raise you no matter what. She gonna always look at you like you her little boy. And that judge and that prosecutor gonna be tearing you down, making it seem like you're a piece of shit. Yeah. You feel me? And she. They saying that shit in front of your mother. They saying that shit right in front of her. Not giving a fuck how she feel, what she. Know what I'm saying? Making she feel like she just raised the fucking failure. You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? So that's what I was dealing with. So I'm telling my mother, I'm like, yo, call Shorty on three way. Cause she done blocked me. She ain't fucking with me. I'm like, call Shorty on three way. Ma talking. I'm trying to get her back because she was like, my last leg in that motherfucker. So I call her on three way. I'm arguing with her.

[Fat Joe]

Boom, boom.

[Jadakiss]

She hung up. I called back again. I'm like, ma, call her. I get my mother like, yo, your brother wanna talk to you. Your brother wanna talk to you. I'm like, mama, talk to him, but call her. I'm trying to get her back. Chasing a bitch, you feel me? Call double back three times on this bitch. And then I ain't even had no time to call my brother. My mother kept telling me, every time I call your brother, your brother. So I hung up. Had to go lock in. It was time to lock in. Count time is done up. The next morning, the police comes to my door and shit. Like, I'm thinking. It's like. I'm thinking somebody dropped a slip on me or something, trying to get me off the unit or something. They like, shackle me down, like, come on, like. But they trying to keep me calm, but they not trying to tell me yet. Point me to the social worker, make a phone call. They're like, yo, your mother on the phone. My mom's told me my brother got killed and shit. You feel me? She on the phone crying and shit. And they put me on suicide watch after that. It was like. It was real rough for a nigga, you feel me?

[Fat Joe]

They let you go to the funeral or not?

[Jadakiss]

Nah, they said I was too dangerous to go to. To the funeral because. You know what I'm saying? Because the severity of my charges, you feel me? They was like. So I couldn't even see my. Couldn't Even see him or nothing. So I had to eat that. And that turned me to a different type of like, made me so cold, made me hard on. You feel me? Like now it's like he was killed.

[Fat Joe]

Nothing to do with you.

[Jadakiss]

It was just a random regular street. You feel me?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

Heard a regular snake killed my brother over a. You feel me?

[Fat Joe]

Like all the time. That's the shit I be talking about now. That guy went to jail. I don't know the story, but he's in jail now. She sucked dick 10 minutes later.

[Jadakiss]

Of course she did. That's what she do.

[Fat Joe]

You know, that's how that shit is.

[Jadakiss]

People don't understand that part of the game too. You ready to crash out over something that's gonna laugh, that's just gonna show her ass soon as them cuffs go on you, man. You know what I mean? That's growing pains for me. I learned my lessons with just going through that shit. I move so much smarter right now. You feel me?

[Fat Joe]

Word up. I'm surrounded by jail guys.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

So I know three years of milestone.

[Jadakiss]

One thing I want to help you with or put or bring light to is you having a little friction with the. With the government over there.

[Fat Joe]

What is it?

[Jadakiss]

The mayor when it's time for the man, what is your project day? They keep blocking you. They won't let you. Yeah, we got to fix that. Because part of having power, he'll tell you he's heavy with the. With all kind of shit. The older people nursing insurance to this that you need. You need the governors, the mayor sometime on your side to help you elevate. Especially when you're trying to do for where you from. And I see you do mad and still keep blocking for real. I do. I do so much for my community. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like we even doing a toy drive. You know what I mean? I do the back to school drives. I do shit out of rant. I don't even gotta be gotta. Yeah, don't gotta just. Cause I feel like it and I gotta influence and people will be like they wanna do shit, you know what I mean? But I definitely gonna have to tap in with Joe. Cause every summer they be having a concert in Jersey City. And he always there to perform, bro.

[Fat Joe]

He always did.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

I know.

[Jadakiss]

That's the mayor's shit. Tap me in because.

[Fat Joe]

Give me the bag.

[Jadakiss]

We got a new mayor right now too. And he was trying to like get in contact with me too. So that's the difference in my last time. Yeah, you better try to get in contact with him. I hope he just wasn't trying to use me for no votes or nothing. You feel me? But it was just like trying to get in contact, like, yo, how long I'm gonna rock with you? Whatever, whatever. Because I be trying to do shit for my community, like a concert. This to show my youth. They only see certain people on Instagram, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, I want to show them, like. Cause we never seen nobody famous in the hood coming up. So I want to show them, like.

[Fat Joe]

The Fat Joe used to be on Kennedy Boulevard before rap. I'm telling you, I was out there. Kennedy Boulevard, Journal Square, all that. Yeah, yeah. They had a roller skating rink out there. I used to roller skate in that motherfucker out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jadakiss]

That's how you. What happened to the leg?

[Fat Joe]

What's the. What? Y Had a run, though. What's the. I want to say it's the high school. Their basketball team went to, like, the nationals and all that, right? Y' all had, like, a couple of years ago, y' all had a mean high school, a Catholic school, high.

[Jadakiss]

I don't know, St. Anthony forever. That's.

[Fat Joe]

They went to dance. St. Pete, right? The college team. They went to the dance.

[Jadakiss]

Oh, yeah, they went to the dance. Yeah, they was balling. They was balling. They was definitely balling. Hell, yeah. St. Peter's was going. Going crazy. Yeah, that's up the block from the Projects, too. It's on the boulevard, too.

[Fat Joe]

The Projects is on the boulevard to college. You know, I used to go down there. You know, I got a famous story about me and Big Pun going to the tunnel by ourselves. And Mike Tyson say security was about to pound us out. We all getting with them. And then Mike Tyson came.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

And jumped in. There was a club over there. What? Foxes?

[Jadakiss]

Oh, yeah, yeah, Foxes.

[Fat Joe]

So we performed that Foxes. And then we. And then Pun was like, yo, we had 100 guys with us. Pun was like, yo, fuck all these niggas. Me and you. Let's go to the tunnel, Twin. Let's go. We went too deep. Oh, no. And we almost got into it with the security, but, you know, we used to rock that club. That. That Fox is over there. So we gotta talk about it, right? And I always feel like, especially now, maybe I'm older, right? But I feel like we celebrate shit in the hood. OG Such and such came home, and now he's gonna sit there and tell us how the. The holy Bible of crime. And you Know we gotta salute and all that. And so your story is a murder case. I really wanna find out more into that. But, like, you came from that. But the real thing is three years, no jail. You in jail, you can't even go to your brother's funeral.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, no doubt, right?

[Fat Joe]

And so when I was a kid, many whores, many, many moons ago. Horse, I'm 14, they cut my whole neck open. I don't know how to explain it to you any other way. Doctor said almost die in the back. I ran to the hood, so ignorant, to show him my buck 50. Yo, look, son, 429, they bust me open with the razor kid. This, this. And when you young, your boys come back from doing time in Rikers island and all that, it's almost like the kids want to go, right, right, right, right.

[Jadakiss]

That's exactly what's going on outside. And it's like where I'm from. And I'm pretty sure it's like that in a lot of trenches, a lot of hoods and all that. It's like you don't even count if you got. Unless you got a body out there. Like, them young boys don't respect nothing unless they got a body. And it's like, scoreboard, you know what I'm saying? I don't respect none but that money, all that to them, they don't even care. You feel me? They don't care about none of that shit because they, you know, they get up as like a little Nike text of score and some sneakers. They don't care about everything else.

[Fat Joe]

So this era ain't the get money era. They don't care about getting money.

[Jadakiss]

They don't care about that shit because they big homies ain't got money. You know what I mean? If they big homies have money, they probably focus on money. All these young boys, I'm telling you, is like, they only respect it if he ain't got a hat on them. You feel me? You gotta catch a body out there. That's trophies in the hood. Before it was Rollies was trophies. Big chains with trophies. Nice cars was trophies. That was bodies. Nah, this little he out there, he drop sign. Respect that. Now you taking 20 years on the chin like it's nothing nowadays. I was locked up when I was locked up. 16, 17, 20 years old, really sizing. They beard up like, man, I'll be home. Like, I'll be home like 38. I'll be back like, like, sizing it up. Like, be okay with that. Like, they eating them 20s word up. Like, it's crazy. Eating 20s like. Like it's like nothing but Happy Meals.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. You know what? I'm gonna focus on time. Yeah, right. And the most valuable thing you have in life, besides health is time, right? So I hurt my knee last week. Doctor said in two weeks, my shit would be brat normal time. Everything I do that I try to do, if I got a court case and I want the shit to be over, it takes time. Right?

[Jadakiss]

Right.

[Fat Joe]

Right. You understand? And so there's a reason why the people who figured out the greatest punishments on earth was time, they take your whole youth. You come home, you 40 years old, good luck trying to make it. Now, I'm not saying it's impossible, but I'm saying it's highly unlikely for you to succeed. 40, 50 years old, and it's the same story every time.

[Jadakiss]

Yep.

[Fat Joe]

Now you 40, 50 years old, and you get back out here to do what you. Yo, man.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, most of these young boys don't even like. Some of them probably never even had their own place, own car, own apartment. You know what I mean? Never know what it feel like to live alone. And they out. They. They sitting down with all of that time or just still outside living with their moms. And they don't even understand you out there playing in these streets. You get killed or some shit. Them funerals, 10 plus for 10 bands. You ain't even got that in the crib. Your mom's ain't got that. That's why it's GoFundMe accounts. Embarrassing your family.

[Fat Joe]

It's embarrassing.

[Jadakiss]

You know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

You know what's crazy is I was in jail. When I was in jail, I act like I was Jewish because they said the bills was better. That was bullshit.

[Jadakiss]

Bullshit is worse.

[Fat Joe]

They go. They go, what is this?

[Jadakiss]

The meal is the best meal.

[Fat Joe]

You gotta eat a cold meal. They was coming through with a banana and peanut butter. Like, here you go, my Jewish brother. I'm like, man, get the. Out where the food. Told me the kosher mills was best. I went up in there. Where was it? Yo, J, Every Friday, the Muslim meal.

[Jadakiss]

Is the best meals in there, Hal.

[Fat Joe]

Every Friday, the Jews, they can't eat nothing hot. Correct? Well, I'm just saying. Spirit. I'm not spirit. James, bro, I came up in there, leader of the Jews. They told me they had the. I'm telling you, yo, yo, I'm telling you the truth of the Jew, telling him.

[Jadakiss]

Leading with the Jews.

[Fat Joe]

But she was Jews. You not listening.

[Jadakiss]

You sitting with all the poppies, though.

[Fat Joe]

They told me the Jews eat the best food. Fat Joe, you know I'm coming to eat, right? Kosher meal. So I'm going up in there like, yo, I'm Jewish. All the Jew. Yes, sir. All the Jews came like, you know, I'm in the fence. They all scamming and like that. So they all run over. They go, yo, you Jewish? I was like, yeah, I'm Jewish. They was like, the crazy is about a weekend. The leader, the real leader of the Juice is like, yo, man, we know you ain't Jewish, man. I said, yo, I heard the food is better this kind of up here. Like, I' ma try the Puerto Rican route, the Cuban route over here. Yeah, yeah, but so you turn a negative, so positive into a positive.

[Jadakiss]

Now we just got to fix city hall. Oh, he got the mayor on your line, so you got to work with him.

[Fat Joe]

Just work with him.

[Jadakiss]

Because it's like. It's like only judging from his bad, I be trying to show them my good. You feel me? Because they don't want to keep doing bad. You feel me? Obviously, I'm trying to change my life. I'm trying to change the people's lives around me. So I want to do good. I want to do everything right. You feel me? Ain't nobody gonna sit there and tell me that. It's like, little shit don't bother me no more. That used to have me get mad and want to do sons. It's mine now. I know how to play the movie out. I can see the movie happen before it even happened. I know what's going to happen if super patient or just like, you know, I could see it happening without even doing it nowadays. Like, you know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

Let me tell you something. I got an uncle, right? Rest in peace, my Uncle Jabu. And I'm not trying to offend nobody in the family. Jabu, Uncle Jabu. Top two, top three rat hunters. They invented the gang. Rat hunters in jail. He invented it. Like, this guy's dangerous. Any nigga you know, upstate, all those guys we talk about, well, they know jabo. We did 29 years. Jabu was a terrible guy in there, right? So he was in jail since I was a baby. He comes home, I asked him, I said, yo, what's the one thing you could teach me about jail? Just one thing that you could teach me about the. He said, listen, I'm gonna tell you, every inmate in there, the biggest mistake everybody ever did was be impulsive. Your brother got in the argument. You Pop off, you shoot him in front of everybody, broad daylight. Now you doing 25 years, somebody messed with your girl. Whatever the case, you jump. He said the best thing you could do is sit back and analyze and see if you really could. You ever been really pissed off, and a week later, it don't really bother you, but that first week, you might jump out the window. Like, fuck that. Come a couple of days later, you feel a little bit different, you know? So he told me, being impulsive is the biggest mistake anybody could do, you know, you feel like you invincible when you young. Trust me, I felt like I was invincible.

[Jadakiss]

The youth out of control, bro. It's like. Even like my nephew. You know what I'm saying? He little tough kid. You feel me? And he be on his. He be on.

[Fat Joe]

That's hard to admit.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, he be on his sometimes, and I'll be having to check him because there's no need for you to be on your like. So he was going at it with a young boy in the hood. So come to find out, the young boy, his father is my man's. You feel me? So they from two different hoods, but his father like my man. So I had to tell him, like, yo, you know who you even beefing with? Like, you ready to do something to this boy you know you beefing with? He like, nah, da, da. I'm like, you don't even know this nigga. His father rolled for your pops, man. You know what I mean? Your pops. His pops got. That's my brother who got killed. It's his son. You know, I take care of him. I'm like, you about to go do something to this. You don't even know. He rolled for your father, man. He put in pain for your father.

[Fat Joe]

Major, major, major.

[Jadakiss]

If any worse, I could put. We could pull up. I could go grab. You could grab him. I could get it off your chest like that. It don't got to go to guns. It don't got to go nowhere further than that. These Y. N's don't be. They don't be thinking like that. They thinking, oh, oh, he dissed me or he played me, all that. And I know the feeling because I.

[Fat Joe]

Was one of them.

[Jadakiss]

So I can't even. So that's why I be like, you could learn from me because I used to be who you are today, and I was way worse than that. You know what I mean? Way worse than that. You know what I'm saying? Y' all trying to live up to my shit. Y' all ain't even nowhere close. So I understand where it could go. So you ain't gotta touch the stove and see. It's how you seen me burn my motherfucker self. Learn from my mistakes. I wish I had somebody that I could have grew, learned from. My old heads was telling me to go. My old heads was telling me to eat. My old heads was telling me to move out.

[Fat Joe]

You know, it's the biggest problem we got.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, right.

[Fat Joe]

This is a learning process, guy. This is the wrong podcast episode you thought you was gonna get. But you. Some of you need to hear this. The biggest problem we got is the old heads who are nothing. They're bums. They have shit. They're bums. Anybody who's a career criminal, at least be a career criminal caked up. But if you ain't got no money, you're a career criminal. You this and that, and you telling the youth. You making the youth do shit for you. You got to brainwash this and that. That's the biggest cancer in America. I'm talking about Compton, New York, Jersey, Atlanta, whatever the case may be. When the old heads got these young kids brainwashed and manipulated to do they dirty work for him. Right, Right.

[Jadakiss]

There's a lot of that.

[Fat Joe]

It's a lot of that. No, it is that. Right? And nobody talks about that. But that's just. That's just the truth. The old heads. Are you saying that your time, the old heads was like, yeah, go, whatever. Whatever the case may be, but that's not what we should be doing.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, that's. Who used to get the guns from the old heads back in the day. Nowadays, old heads get the guns from the young niggas. Shit, it's flipping. You go, I know they old head, they can still go pull out his little.38. That young boy go pull out a Drake, a Glock with a drum on it.

[Fat Joe]

I don't. I don't know if I'm delusional. It's crazy, but I've seen some shootouts when was busting out that Tony Montana guns.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

These kids, you seen that shoot out in Philly that day?

[Jadakiss]

Oh, yeah, it was crazy.

[Fat Joe]

Everybody's in the Philly get like that.

[Jadakiss]

Philly gets busy like, oh, my God.

[Fat Joe]

My God. You seen that shoot this? The kept running over infinity looking at the cat. I know he in jail forever. The guy, he looking at the camera, shooting. He done looking at the camera. Yo, when you clip this, you go find that clip. He in the front shooting. But looking at this, he's done, oh, like Listen, guys, can't nobody do get away with shit. Look at the guy who shot up the school the other day. God bless Brown. They only had him from the back. They. They can't really think. I thought he was black today. They just released another film. So white guy with a beard, they got him, he's going down. Like, it's just too many ring things. Too many cameras, too many this. Tell me that like right now. If you pop off, just know you going to jail. Like just if you get caught on.

[Jadakiss]

Canberra or if you look at that.

[Fat Joe]

No, no. You in Canberra, bro. You are in Canberra. They killed the kid. What's his name? Julio Fulio. The fucking car was the camera. The Tesla. Shit got cameras. They're like, okay, Johnny B. Eat this. They even locked the chick up. She was there. She done too. It caused the camera.

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[Fat Joe]

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[Jadakiss]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Jadakiss]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Jadakiss]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Fat Joe]

But all you have to do back in the day is get yourself a great lawyer, because, believe it or not, it's your life on the line. But other than you going to jail, the whole shit is theater. It's like Hamilton, their lawyer against your lawyer, right? Your lawyer talking that shit. He smoothie this and this that. You might come the fuck home, right? You might not with the camera no more. And they go, okay.

[Jadakiss]

I think you could be the case on camera nowadays, too, though, man, because they got the AI. So it's like, what's that? Me?

[Fat Joe]

You know what I'm saying?

[Jadakiss]

You got an AI coming into effect. It's going. It's going.

[Fat Joe]

AI gonna up the police vocally and.

[Jadakiss]

All that is in jail. AI already they made them say. They didn't say they did think about.

[Fat Joe]

You know that AI a whole.

[Jadakiss]

We were talking about that 1800, man. You with it?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, we with it. We. I had him on that, though. That man was. He was gone.

[Jadakiss]

Pull me up. Let's turn it.

[Fat Joe]

You want the red one on the white one, baby.

[Jadakiss]

Which one you.

[Fat Joe]

We got it all. Crystalino.

[Jadakiss]

Like, that's the one he been with. Let me with that one.

[Fat Joe]

That's the. He was. Now you gonna. This is the truth serum. I thought 18.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, I am. But I'm saying that one got busy, so it must be good. Look, he like. He like. He looking at the lesser, the bottle, half inch.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

I mean, I gotta be the one. That's it.

[Fat Joe]

That was Jado.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

The other day we had Tony. Yay, yo, and Murder on here. And Jada was going. He had that 1800.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

What? That man was elusive. He had the fluidity.

[Jadakiss]

Let him tell it.

[Fat Joe]

It's a good.

[Jadakiss]

Kids banged up with feuds. Kiss me banged up.

[Fat Joe]

But when he banged up, he like, smooth, yo. Right? He ain't loud and.

[Jadakiss]

Nah, hell no.

[Fat Joe]

Me, I end up anywhere.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

So fat. No, I end up in your house. Me, like, I'm the worst. I'm the best. Look, I don't really drink, but when I drink, I never had a bad time in my life. So back in the days, when I'm out drinking, I end up in house parties or I'm not supposed to be there. Nigga, like, yo, Fat Joe, seek the kingdom. Seek the king, the kingdom. I'm the N. House parties. Like, he drinking. They like, yo, nah, that you drink.

[Jadakiss]

You never had a bad time in your life?

[Fat Joe]

No, I never had, like, the. Like, you know how you have a bad reaction? I'm a fun drunk, I guess. Have fun, tell jokes. The biggest problem, if I'm on The street I'm going to where I'm not supposed to go with Fat Joe would never go sober in his life. He'll be in. He might end up in the. I don't even gamble. Might end up in the back of. Or gambling. I'm not supposed to be in these places.

[Jadakiss]

Right.

[Fat Joe]

I'm up in that motherfucker twisted. Yo, you gotta stop, man. You got 1800. They trying to get me on the sauce. I'm already toasted. Real toasted.

[Jadakiss]

The real 1800.

[Fat Joe]

We like.

[Jadakiss]

That's right.

[Fat Joe]

You gonna do a tour for this project?

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm putting a tour together. Me and Millie's about to go into a fire because we about to drop a project. I probably like. February, March, no doubt.

[Fat Joe]

Some of the things you don't like in hip hop today.

[Jadakiss]

Hold on. I did something special for you, Tim. No, my family. Which you claim as your family because you grew up over there.

[Fat Joe]

They know the sauce. You got the mustard sauce. Come inside, Johnson. I clean. That's my shit. That's the house that Joe built. Yo, now come here. Come here. Sit down real quick. So you're. You're. You're a Johnson or you work for the Johnson? No, I am a Johnson. You are a Johnson. Do you know. How old are you?

[Jadakiss]

I'm 32.

[Fat Joe]

I've been there longer than you.

[Jadakiss]

When everything said and done is hurt.

[Fat Joe]

Groovy's wife. That's his wife. Let me say something to you. The mother. Yo, bro, you playing with me now?

[Jadakiss]

You don't even know who's who.

[Fat Joe]

Your husband knows me since I'm three years old. This is correct.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Three years old. I've been going to Johnson's Fried Chicken. The mustard sauce. This is it, huh? She'll bleed mustard, man. Where they sell it at? Online. Online. Johnson's. BBQBX.com.

[Jadakiss]

Or you can go to Johnson's Barbecue.

[Fat Joe]

On 163rd street between te and his union. Yo, he keeps saying. Cause he know Groovy Lou. He like, yo. I'm like, yo, you violating, man. Cause it's across the street from my house. I don't think you understand. Across the street from my house. My brother used to buy out the whole Johnson Angel. Angel, yeah. It's a legend in Johnson. Yeah. He told me my brother buy the whole. If it's 30 people there, everybody chicken and mustard. This. He loved Johnson's Fried Chicken. We all do. Is it true that you own a farm down south?

[Jadakiss]

Yes.

[Fat Joe]

And so the chicken has always been organic.

[Jadakiss]

Everything.

[Fat Joe]

Everything we Never knew that. That's before. Organic wash. Yep.

[Jadakiss]

Collard greens, fresh every morning, yams fresh from down South. Down south? It's in Accomac, Virginia. That's where my grandmother's from. And then my grandfather.

[Fat Joe]

Yes, my dad's dad.

[Jadakiss]

He's from Sumter, South Carolina.

[Fat Joe]

So that's how many years we been doing this at Johnson. Since 1954. So I believe that's 71 black, own operator.

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[Fat Joe]

Thank you, America. You're playing yourself. I beg you to purchase Johnson's mustard sauce. There is no better mustard sauce in America. Now, I've been to spots down south where they had this similar. The minute I eat it, I'm like, oh. But still, it's like I say, at least they stole Johnson recipe down there. I go in there and say, damn, they know about the mustards. Everybody don't know about the mustard sauce. This is the mustard sauce of champions right here.

[Jadakiss]

Thank you.

[Fat Joe]

Man, that's crazy.

[Jadakiss]

Now we have some more bottles out there.

[Fat Joe]

Now we need that. We gonna do that on Christmas. You know, I've been on a diet keto that. I don't understand. The doctor. Oh, my God. You know, I'm in this strength.

[Jadakiss]

Oh, it's lit.

[Fat Joe]

No, I can't listen. I'm skinnier than I ever been in my life. I swear to God. The doctor said 2:42. The doctor said, yo, you skinnier than you ever. But guess what, buddy. Need you to fast. And keto, no carbs. None of that. Gotta work on. I say, yo, how you know the doctor, like a mechanic, they find something wrong with you every time. But I come up in there, I say, yo, I'm skinnier than I ever been. He's like, we gotta work on it. We gotta give him. I don't want to look like a crackhead, though. You know, when them guys had that face sunk in and shit like that, Johnson definitely seen some oh, shit zombie awards. You guys could write the book. Teeth missing, all that. Everybody limping crazy. You want me to lie to you? It's like, you know, the hood gotta take care of themselves. I used to work at my uncle bodega, and they come in for the pig.

[Jadakiss]

Look, look, he reminiscing right now.

[Fat Joe]

No pork on his fork.

[Jadakiss]

He said, man, let me tell you something.

[Fat Joe]

That pig feet, no pork on my fork, no ham in my pan. Y' all got me twisted. I ain't eat pork since I'm about 11 years old. What I'm trying to tell you that when I worked in my uncle's Bodega. They used to come up in everybody. Diabetes, everything they coming in there for. The pickle, the sausage, the. The. The. Not all the foul shit they eat. All the foul shit they coming in there for. That we like. Yo, Ms. Mr. Johnson, are you sure you need this? Are you sure you want that? They'd be like, yo, man, this my right here. But to each his own bottle of 1800. Shout out to Groovy Lou. He. He is really connected with. I was doubting him. He kept telling me he's a Johnson. This is that. Groovy Lou's my man. And, yo, let me tell you something. Johnson's Fried Chicken came through. They got the fried. It's the best. It's the best. There's no way around. There's no way you got food out there?

[Jadakiss]

Yes.

[Fat Joe]

We just stop for you. Damn, you can't do that to me. Cause I. I tear the paint off that bathroom. I've been pure a whole week. I've been pure a whole. Veggies, no carbs, man. I'm like borderline. Tear the pain off the wall. I eat one of them fried chickens right now, some ribs. Because let me tell you something. You know, when your system been cleansed, My is cleansed right now. You see me drinking the water. You ain't giving no water, nothing for drinking no water. You gotta finish one. Yeah. What's your name again? Stacia Johnson. Thank you, Stacia. We love you, the Johnson family. Thank you for everything.

[Jadakiss]

Okay.

[Fat Joe]

It's been a pleasure. We always looked up to your family in our hood. Let me tell you something. Them guys, they the. Were they ever from Forest or they just opened over there? No, just opened over there. That's crazy. 163rd. Yeah. Promise?

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

And then they moved to Mount Vernon.

[Fat Joe]

I tell a famous story about not Johnson's, but the ghetto Chinese on the corner. You know, I went to school with the two kids.

[Jadakiss]

Oh, really?

[Fat Joe]

We used to make fun of them. They had like 30 Chinese kids, people living in their house and all that above the restaurant. I seen them kids years later, and they was like, you know, everybody that was sleeping on the floor owns four Chinese restaurants. Wow. So that's how they bring the whole crew in there. They sleep in there? Yeah. Generational wealth. The players. 20 people turned into like 80 Chinese ghetto joints. Yeah. And the ghetto Chinese ain't scared. They open up an afternoon. They open up a Cuba, they don't give up. You go to Haiti, the only shit standing. Ghetto Chinese, Haitian food. That shit go anywhere. They're not scared.

[Jadakiss]

Scared of nothing.

[Fat Joe]

They're not scared of nothing. I used to go to Africa. One of the only artists been everywhere in Africa. Like literally Ali Boombaye. And they ain't a hood in Africa that don't got a ghetto Chinese. They there. They not scared. They'll go anywhere.

[Jadakiss]

See if my African. My African man just stamped that, man.

[Fat Joe]

Your African men might not been to more Africans. I had had two years where I thought I had two years. I thought I was. Listen, I thought I was about the best. How the African ain't been the most. You know, I'm like, the Dose. Equis guys are the most interesting men in the world. But every part of Africa I've been in every part. Where you from in Africa? I've been to Ghana. You know that. Ghana, Garbone, Djibouti, anywhere you name. Luanda, Rwanda, Sierra Leone, Swaziland, South Africa. Been Swaziland, Morocco, Nigeria, Wakanda. Not Wakanda. Uganda, Kenya, Zimbabwe. Yo, you talking to the wrong. I've been to Somalia. I've been every hood. I met Davido at the All Star Game, man. Told me, yo, I seen you in my village. Village 10 times. Me, yo, me, man, you crazy, man. I've been in every hood in Africa where they don't have clippers. They cut your hair with a. They take the razor out of the big saver and they line. Just come on, you're my man. Am I lying? They line your up with the razor from inside the bit and they cutting my hands. 10,000 people watching fat Joe gets. Are you not nuts? I've been in every part of Africa. I remember I went. I came back from Africa and went to like Mr. Child or something. I seen one of our favorite rappers. I. I don't want to get killed. I don't want to get killed. But this guy always talking about Africa and going back to Africa. He was like, yo, crap. What's up, man? You look tired. Where you come from? I said, Africa. He said, shit, I ain't going over there. I said, man, you missed to go back to Africa. You missed it. Yeah, you missed it.

[Jadakiss]

Go back to Africa.

[Fat Joe]

He's like, yo, I ain't going. Say it. Say it.

[Jadakiss]

Can't say that.

[Fat Joe]

Say it. No, sir.

[Jadakiss]

So about the boy. Not that. God's son.

[Fat Joe]

I ain't talking about God. I ain't talking about God's son. I'm just telling you there's a famous rapper that raps about Africa and all that. And when I seen him, I was like, he was like, yo, where you come from?

[Jadakiss]

I said, africa.

[Fat Joe]

He was like, africa, Africa. What you doing over there? I ain't going over. I said, yo. Then they got the D on, talking about, he ain't going there. Let's not throw shots of go. And I didn't say that, guys. But, yo, Mr. Knicks.

[Jadakiss]

What's up, baby? Shout out to the Knicks.

[Fat Joe]

I gotta take it back.

[Jadakiss]

We put it up at the end.

[Fat Joe]

Like what Mike Brown is doing. Yeah. You know, I'm a Tibbs guy, so I win beyond. The man wears some sneakers. I'm gonna keep cinnamon pants sneakers.

[Jadakiss]

Turn them up.

[Fat Joe]

So I'm looking at him, he got like vans on and like that. I'm like, yo, sneaker game feet. I might have to give him a bit.

[Jadakiss]

Tibbs used to rock G Von Shiva, Sachis and all that.

[Fat Joe]

Yes. But this guy, he got some bullshit on feet. Might be different, but shit hurt. You know his sneaker game. He got a lot of courage to wear them shits. You wear that in the wrong hood, you got a nail in your. He got the broken like this. That out of control.

[Jadakiss]

Got a nail in your stink strings.

[Fat Joe]

I'm trying to. All right, man, I'm telling.

[Jadakiss]

Let's give Mike Brown some good feet. Let's take Mike Brown on.

[Fat Joe]

You should shopping for sneakers. Yeah, let's go. No, we gotta do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jadakiss]

We're gonna take Mike Brown shopping for sneakers, man. Joe, hit us up. What would you recommend? What you think he need on his fe.

[Fat Joe]

Anything.

[Jadakiss]

He walk away. His like this, so we gotta get him comfy.

[Fat Joe]

Yo. It's like this. Tires is low. Tires is low. Yo, that's it. I brought all my cars up from Miami. Tires is low. I can't drive in New York. All them sisters like this. If I hit one bump, I'm done, like, you know, got me started. Oh, 1800, 1800, 1800.

[Jadakiss]

Everybody drinking that all day today, man.

[Fat Joe]

Let me tell you something. It would work wonders for. For Jadakiss. Jadakiss, he on that 1800?

[Jadakiss]

Yes.

[Fat Joe]

He gone. He going, I like that. Sometimes he want to come in here quiet, shy like that. That 1800. The man on that talking that. And so are we gonna play something? But I was asking a question that we never got answered. What do you don't like that's acceptable in hip hop today? That probably ain't how you was taught in hip hop.

[Jadakiss]

Coming up, I always hear him saying, niggas don't want to rap with them. It's hard to. Maybe they're Giving them the running around. There's a lot of funny money.

[Fat Joe]

What happened since the day you did?

[Jadakiss]

No, but that's crazy. Y' all went through that same shit. And it's like, I seen. I seen it.

[Fat Joe]

He did that to me. My own career. Yo, kid.

[Jadakiss]

He got mad features for me over here. But, see, we came from the time when you. It was no emailing or none of that. Right, Right. He couldn't. Had to meet up. Wasn't even a way to send this song. You had to go to the studio to do you know that. That helped us now with this Tetris way of recording. Yeah, that's. That's definitely a problem right there for me. Was like, people be, like, scared to get in that booth. I don't know. It's like. But I think I always thought it was about, like. About, like swapping fans with this. You feel me? As I'm trying to grow, as I'm trying.

[Fat Joe]

It's all about collaboration. Don't let nobody lie.

[Jadakiss]

I want to get known over here and all of that. I did some. Don't. Don't get me wrong. I did some big features that I'm blessed and honored for. That's one. And another thing is just that they. In a rap game, they just be allowing, like, they allow to get away with that. Ain't supposed to be okay, man. Like the rat and the corny. Like, once you're done, you done. It's like. You know what I mean? And I understand we in a world.

[Fat Joe]

Where everybody flag for. For the accepting the rats.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Flag on the play.

[Jadakiss]

Let's do that.

[Fat Joe]

No, that's.

[Jadakiss]

That's probably the.

[Fat Joe]

That's probably the one change of events I've ever seen coming. Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

Cause that shit was like. That used to push you out the industry back in the day. You had to stand on that shit. You had to have a strong camp. You had to. Now it's like a motherfucker. If you call a motherfucker that's a rat and he know he a rat, his man gonna up poll on you like. You feel me? Like, you about to kill a real nigga for saying the obvious. You feel me? Y' all niggas, really. I'm, like, ready to kill a real nigga for stating that this nigga a rat.

[Fat Joe]

You feel me? I'm gonna tell you some crazy shit, right? So I know a guy, his name is legendary. That's his name, New York. Nah, I'm just trying to take. You gotta stop. He's a legend beyond took 10 years. Took 15 years. Like this guy busting his gun in jail. All you could imagine. There's nothing wrong you can say about this. Been in there with the Lions, the Titans. So one day, I see him in recent times, and he's standing next to this dude that ratted on 46 dudes, the whole cartel. This is one of the biggest rats in the Bronx history. I said, yo, he like, yo, he got the bag. I gotta hold him down. I know he a rat, but, you know, I was like, like, how you.

[Jadakiss]

Think that's gonna play out? That's crazy.

[Fat Joe]

So my science behind it, right? Because some people say, yo, he ain't rat on B or whatever. My science behind it is this. As much as you love a guy, if he just told on 47 guys, if anything go wrong, if we gotta pound somebody out in front of the building, he's telling. How do you feel safe with being with this guy? Knowing how the game could just change on you at any moment and you got the guy, you done? Yeah, he's gonna tell, right? And so that's my biggest. If you think you could trust the rat guy. When it's all said and done, he get in that interrogation, he telling. He might be telling on the way there.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, he gonna definitely tell. We told once. He had told twice. We fold once. He had fold twice.

[Fat Joe]

I won't say who. You want me to say who? So I think people were questionable, even myself, about hearing rumors about R. Kelly. But he made the greatest music ever. Indeed. So everybody was like, he can't do it or he ain't do it. And he's just. While he's in this controversy, he keeps dropping move your body like the state number one. Number one. Number one. Number one dot and everybody's like, not looking at it because they like, yo, he got the greatest music. Nowadays, you got a guy that might have told they got the hottest music and they don't give a fuck. They like sold out arenas. We don't care. The man got the hottest music. We don't care. Right.

[Jadakiss]

I think music didn't tell.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. But what I think is the music being hot overpowers the. Yes, it overpowers whatever, you know. And then a guy like me and you sound dinosaur. We almost playing ourselves, like, yo, we ain't with this rat shit, yo. We know that they looking at you now. What are you talking about?

[Jadakiss]

That's cause people never. A lot of people never been told on never or never been in that situation where. Where they had the time. You feel me? So people don't understand that shit. If you've never been told on, you can't relate.

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[Jadakiss]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Fat Joe]

I'm not gonna tell a story till a story turns out. Yeah, okay, no, no. I'm gonna tell you this story, but I'm not gonna tell the name till somebody comes out after this and just says, hey, Joe's talking about. Not this one, right? Because the cat, meaning you want to throw 700 flowers for the whole, they'll start throwing it. This. There's no way to believe me if I say the name, okay? There's no way. You wouldn't believe Fat Joe if you heard he's real. This, this, that you like, yo, this nigga capital, right? Right? I'm at a show. It's around this time. It's a Christmas show. Corporate. We get the freest bag in the world. I'm only there with rich Uncle Dan. I don't even have my dj. I'm on my way to the stage, right? I'm behind stages. Dark as hell. Hammerstein, Borrow. They introduced me, so I gotta go out. When they do that, somebody appears and gives me their hand. I shake people hand in the airport all day. Everybody. I'm Fat Joe. I'm still living. Sup? So I said, what's up? So he says, yo, you know who I am. They already introduced me. The music's gone. Lean Back is on. It was only like two songs. I said, nah. He said, yo, I'm such and such. When I looked at him, I said, holy shit. Now this guy's beyond the killer. He was extorting every rapper on earth. He was extorting the streets. He was doing whatever he was a monster out here. A legend of all legends, right? I couldn't wait to get off that stage. I ran back to this dude. I couldn't believe he was standing there. I said, now look at me, you rat motherfucking bastard piece of shit cock suck a bitch. Your mother shit on her face, Nigga, you ever in your fucking life, cuz, it just happened. I don't know what the dynamic is. Mayno bumped into Troy Ave. Troy AV had a baby in his hand in front of 10,000 people. I hear they had problems with films, but may know, you know, said, what's up? I wouldn't have done that right, but said, what's up? They caught that in 4K. A white person had to catch that footage right there. That wasn't no hood shit. And it's everywhere. So I was scared. This said, what's up? To me, right? And he had a cameraman somewhere. Cause they said he was running down on anybody who's the realist in New York. And they nah, about my bag, son. I would have never talked about you. Oh, this I'll tell you. I'll give you a clue. My man Wally World throw them hood plays. The man went to the middle of the hood play. He's a rat of all rats. And told all the OGs we ever seen in Fed magazine. And all of he was like, yo, who got a problem? Who won it? Everybody was like, mom's the worst. No, but what I'm saying to you is, Jesus Christ. Not only did I scream on this killer as I walked away, this could have been a mistake. There was a girl there. She scoochied down and all that. I turned back around because I see. I see Davey's face. You a part of this story. You don't even know it. Oh, listen. No, no, listen, I don't. Am I part of this? Because you was complaining about the nigga in the back of my store? All of y' all kept telling me, yo, this dude's out here moving like this, this, that. This nigga's crazy. This, this. I'm just saying, you don't even know who I'm talking about.

[Jadakiss]

Let me talk to the people. Now, whether he's talking about.

[Fat Joe]

I was complaining.

[Jadakiss]

I was never complaining about anybody for years.

[Fat Joe]

What I'm saying, he's saying. No, what I'm saying is this guy. This guy was shaking everybody down.

[Jadakiss]

I know, right?

[Fat Joe]

So he was shaking everybody down.

[Jadakiss]

Cause rats is dangerous.

[Fat Joe]

I'm talking about from the biggest to the. So you tell and kill. No, he Wasn't saying that again.

[Jadakiss]

You were telling Kill you were dangerous.

[Fat Joe]

Kill. You're the most dangerous person in the world. So I go and I see Davies, tell me something. But when I'm walking away, no. So I turn back around and I go right back up to this guy again. Piece of shit, right? This. He's looking. They will never believe this. That's why I can't say the name. He's looking down. I picked his chin up. Said, look me in the eye.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, yeah, you look me in the eye.

[Fat Joe]

You know what this is? I'm not dumb. Yeah. I'm not these. You know it. He knew I put in work for real. He look in my eyes. First time I realized somebody, you look at the crazy guy in the eyes, their eyes are open up. And they said, holy. This puts him at work. He knew. When he said on my left, phone rang off. Everybody was calling me like, yo, I heard this, this, this. I was like, look, it is, you know, the only person I want was my man who be in that neighborhood. I was like, yo, you know, I had to scream on. I knew it was gonna happen, right? Because no disrespect, the game been using me. The rap game has been using me for so many years. Years. Every rapper get beef I inherit. They beef. I gotta. This, this, this. They've been using me so much. So when these guys kept telling me and I've been seeing this, I knew the buck stops here. There's a reason why it was so beautiful for me to stop the beef with 50 Cent. Because I knew the buck stops here. I knew where it was gonna go. Live in, action, directed. Everybody was like, yo, let's hope they bump into each other. Because these guys, too, they ain't gonna go, yeah, right. But you know, that's. That's a form of manipulation. That's a form of using. You know, you adjust the guy in the beef that, you know, this guy.

[Jadakiss]

Playing a different game. He moving you like a piece. Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

I was used as a young kid in this industry as a dumb, impulsive, jumping out this. I was used to used by other rappers who wouldn't put in that work. And they were like, yo, Joe, you know, you know, this, this, this. And I'm. I, I. Well, I knew with this guy, I had nothing to do with this guy, right? I had no beef with him. I had no problem. I never met this guy before. I never this. I fucking knew it was gonna be Fat Joe who's gonna see this guy. And I didn't give a fuck if it was in Madison Square Garden, the streets, that was gonna be the same outcome with 10,000 cameras. This. So I'm looking, I'm hoping somebody else bump into this dude that's gonna jump out, but you know, that's how the game go, man. But listen, let me tell you something. Yeah. That's something that bothers me in hip hop. It ain't my problem, huh? That is hip hop we talking about. You'll see.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, for real, though, this going viral.

[Fat Joe]

Without a name, bro. This. They know what I'm talking about, bro. This ain't. This ain't a regular Degla.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

You know what I'm saying. But this, you know, some stories you can't tell people because they say I'm Cap. You know what I'm saying?

[Jadakiss]

Just tell anybody anything, you got the power to.

[Fat Joe]

To just say it.

[Jadakiss]

Leave you.

[Fat Joe]

Now. They believe me now. You think so? I'm not cat like that, no now. But this one, this particular story, I've been waiting for somebody to say it other than me. I've been falling back like I. Somebody's gonna say the story and I'm.

[Jadakiss]

The man for the job.

[Fat Joe]

Nobody was there. There was a girl there. She was fucking. I wish I would have seen her face. That's the biggest mistake. If there's ever been a mistake to haunt me and beef in my life is all systems go one way away. And I look around at the surroundings like somebody fronted on my brother. I was looking up for him all day. I seen him. I said, pull over, pull over, pull over. I jump out, he jump out. He acting extra tough. I don't know why we start fighting immediately. When I turned around, it was like a thousand guys with this guy.

[Jadakiss]

He.

[Fat Joe]

I didn't look at the other 30 trucks. So when you get that tunnel vision, the troop is, there's a girl who's the witness to this. That was Gucci down to the socks, from the jacket to the shoes to the boots to the disc. She was there, right? She was a witness. Who is it we got? Look, I don't know who she is, but you'll hear. You're going to hear after this episode, they going to tell you because some people know.

[Jadakiss]

Some people know.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, they know. But, you know, it's just. It's like. But I got tired of that. I've been tired of, like, people using me to do certain things and jump out the window and this and this and that. Cause I know there's certain things I'm not gonna tolerate in no way shape or form. But, you know, and then I think of. It was almost a time travel, right? So when the guy shakes my hand and I realize who he is, all I see is faces of all my friends that got 40 years, 30 years, 20 years, 10 years, 15 years. This, this, this. Immediately. But when he said, yo, I'm such and such, I said, this pussy put everybody in jail like that. You gotta be kidding me. My best friend doing 46.

[Jadakiss]

That's what I'm saying. That's what it's about. You can't be. You can't be a hypocrite in this. You can't be. You gotta stand on what you stand on. Cause it's like, I'm gonna apply the same pressure to whoever. I'm not gonna. Gonna change my tone for no man, you, for me. If I feel like you a. I'm gonna pull you on that. If I. Especially if I thought you was a real at first. Because I'm thinking you my kind, I'm bringing you in. I'm bringing you in this world like I with you.

[Fat Joe]

This game get tricky.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah. So if I feel like I with you, I'm like, damn, I solid.

[Fat Joe]

I rock with that.

[Jadakiss]

But the same way. The same way I'm treating you like my brother, I'm gonna treat you like my enemy. Once I find out you did something that ain't a part of our movement or what we stand for. You feel me? Like, I honor y'. All. Y' all the big bros of this shit.

[Fat Joe]

You feel me?

[Jadakiss]

So it's like. Like the same way, if I hear some shit like, yo, oh, what, Kiss went out bad. Oh, Kiss went out bad.

[Fat Joe]

You feel me? Also be clear about it.

[Jadakiss]

I want to say, the same shit gotta go to me too, though. Hold up.

[Fat Joe]

Let's not go Kiss when out bad. You also have to see who the messenger is.

[Jadakiss]

Of course.

[Fat Joe]

No. Cause what's going on now, whether he cheated on her or this and this and that, the people who be talking to shit, people, they disgruntled employees, fake former friends that got cut off. You know what this is? To even be with you, for you to cut somebody off? It's lights out for him that every day, whether he wants it or not, he's performing for Allen Iverson's birthday. Fly shit. That's a different lifestyle.

[Jadakiss]

Exactly.

[Fat Joe]

You pulling up in Miami, we going to college party. He's walking through this. That's a life. When you take one of them guys and go, lights out, baby. Baby, it's over. That Yonkers community Center ain't hitting like DJ Khaled's 50th birthday. No. Now there's no more Gold's Gym. You got to work out of St. Mary's gym. It's a whole different thing. So you don't realize that when people who we once had love for, they fuck up to the point of where maybe they just. Whatever the case may be, those be the guys, the messages of that bad news, a lot of times you can't really take them as credible.

[Jadakiss]

Of course not. You gotta get the car. Facts all the time. You can't just. As a real nigga, you gotta do your homework on whatever anybody telling you. As soon as you got a real nigga, as a real individual, you do your homework on whatever.

[Fat Joe]

Because I be seeing shit. It be like. Especially with this Instagram shit.

[Jadakiss]

It's like.

[Fat Joe]

It be like, oh, shit.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, Instagram is a lot.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, shit. Some new shit about such and such and this and who's that girl? Who's that guy? Yeah, Ivan Rodriguez says that this, he never got like, who the fuck are you? Right? So all of a sudden, the gossip of the week is somebody we never heard in our life, who might be the biggest piece of shit scumbag in the world, says something about somebody we've been loving for 20 years. And all of a sudden.

[Jadakiss]

And they small, and they gave him a voice to talk. They gave them a whole platform to talk and post it. Everything. And it's like.

[Fat Joe]

And I start analyzing the shit. Yo, I think it's true what Ivan said. What Ivan said was your Social Security number, yo, my man. Well, at least that I've been able to see through that, right? The normal public ain't able to see through that because they keep running the same play. Yeah, it was a DVD back in the days. I don't know, it was like. Like snitches or whatever, right? Pistol Pete was on there, a bunch of rappers, and every rapper went on there, and it was like, snitches get stitches. If he snitch, you kill him. If you just. Every rapper. I went in there and said, please don't do the crime. If you do the crime, you do the time. Don't cross the street if it ain't green. Don't drive the car if you ain't got a license. And that's just the way it goes, you know, within yourself, if you could do the time or you can't, man, don't be pretending. I knew what Dominican dude. This dude would. He had a Lamborghini as Long as I knew him, popping bottles every single night. They say he got caught the minute they took him in the fence. He's like, what I doing here, Poppy? What am I doing here, papi? Oh, you saying he told on the whole Dominicans? Yeah. Yo, but he had Lamborghinis and Ferraris. His whole life. I've been seeing them in the clubs, yo, popping 10,000 bottles. They said the second he went on my flame. What are we doing?

[Jadakiss]

That'd be a street plan B. Like how you give a girl playing B. They plan B is all right. I got something for you. What am I doing here?

[Fat Joe]

Get out of jail free car. No, no, but I'm saying some people hustle so long. Like, you know, when you go. If we go down to El Chapo, people, they say the only thing you could do is plant poppies. There is no other job. There's nothing else. When you wake up and you a kid, 10 years old, they put you on the field to plant. You could be doing coffee. You could be doing cocaine. That is Detroit do coffee. Kiss Cafe. Kiss. Yo, how's the sales of Kiss Cafe since this joint been going on? Because I've been watching. The other day I binged the Joe and Jada and I noticed I've been promoting more than you. The Kiss Cafe. Tell Pops. So Pops, he owes me a half of 1%.

[Jadakiss]

Kiss Cafe, Kiss Cafe, coffee dot com. Get you some hole, some ground hole. Get you some K cups. I mean, best coffee out there, man.

[Fat Joe]

Probably 53. I drink a 53 year old cup of coffee. Well, you can drink a 42 year old cup of coffee. Yeah, we want the time number one all over. You know what I'm saying? If you need to get the quicker pick up or you need to get your glazed up looking like a movie, then you get that. Rewind the time. Cbs, Sally's stop and shop. We out in Canada now. Yeah, we went over the boat order. So we out there. You got some new music, huh?

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. My new album out. Going crazy, man. Every day, June 30th, 10 year anniversary. Going crazy right now. We're gonna hear something. Let's hear. I'm a catalog rapper, man. I ain't no tick tock rapper, man. I'm that you got in the cloth. Yeah, he do what he do. Eat rap.

[Fat Joe]

Rap for real.

[Jadakiss]

No. See your car and you mob out.

[Fat Joe]

You feel me?

[Jadakiss]

No gimmicksday life every day in the party. No sound effects. He got that pain. Yeah, that real pain. Set this track up for us.

[Fat Joe]

What are we about to hear?

[Jadakiss]

Oh, I. This right here is called Look Through My Eyes. I'm paying homage to dmx, of course. You feel me?

[Fat Joe]

The dog birthday today, too.

[Jadakiss]

Happy birthday to the dog. What a perfect segue.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, double nickel.

[Jadakiss]

I'm paying homage. I got the X flow going on and that you go, of course, with everything that I built off. But X is X is the is in my top five. So appreciate that love. Appreciate that, man. The dog forever. Let's go. Let's get it. Crank it.

[Fat Joe]

Frankie Cock, Frankie Crocker. That.

[Jadakiss]

I see, see it do as I do be who I be walking my shoes, you going to hurt your feet. It get cold outside I'm burning in hell but don't deserve to be I people I don't even know that one murder me why? Because they heard of me. I tore them in a house like a burglary. Now everybody family and surgery, face shots from the pound. You ever seen a soul lift up from the ground whispering about me, scared to say it out loud? You know I put a body where it can never be found Snitching it was never allowed Put a rat on sticky trap leave him stuck to the ground like wow we telling them now wasn't built for this like why you coming around? Like why you rat? I remember collect cold mama, this your son? I'm locked up again for another gun Last week the cops was at the house I'm on a run, can't complain about the game I take it how I come on top of that BM and bought another Thinking to myself like damn, I need another I don't need head bro snitched on some other now I can't with nobody it's like I'm celibate pin in the field since the I'm a veteran devil send the offer for my soul I ain't selling. If you get life, you got a wife it's gonna be hard to reach probably won't win they fight but you got hard at least you bad but you ain't bad at indirect deposit Won't even check on me but one check my pockets Hope they never find that graveyard that's in my closet if that day ever come then I'm taking hockey my day off from Craig playing with them boxes coach threw me off the team found it in my locker I was only 16, playing with a chopper Knew that boy was a shooter before he made the roster mush in a trap 24, 7 going down like 911 seen a head shot with a 57 no rats around me no I won't let him free wreck free K free Be free to roll little bro this blue tri with a pity and he can see the TV. Walk in my shoes you going to hurt your feet it get cold outside Take a look through my eyes see what I see do as I do be who I be Walk in my shoes you going to hurt your feet it get cold outside for the cheap go yeah.

[Fat Joe]

It's that pain man that's right.

[Jadakiss]

East coast I know how we rocking man hey hell you tri state monsters man I know what we into this ain't that that ain't this cracking kiss make some noise for ALB.

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[Fat Joe]

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[Jadakiss]

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[Jadakiss]

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[Jadakiss]

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[Jadakiss]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Jadakiss]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Fat Joe]

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