Angela Renee Simmons talks NEW SINGLE “Run To” w/ Jada, mental health & growing up hip hop royalty

Summary

Joe and Jada Podcast: Angela Renee Simmons Talks "Run To," Mental Health, & Growing Up Hip-Hop Royalty

Episode Date: March 19, 2026
Podcast: Joe and Jada (iHeartPodcasts & The Volume)
Guest: Angela Renee Simmons (artist name: Angela Renee)

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Overview

This episode features Angela Renee Simmons sitting down with Fat Joe and Jadakiss for a rich conversation covering her debut single “Run To,” her journey exploring music, mental health awareness, the weight and nuance of hip hop legacy, balancing family and entrepreneurship, and what it means to represent strength and positivity as a new artist with deep roots in the culture. The conversation is equal parts candid, reflective, and lighthearted, interspersed with memorable stories from all three, culminating in the exclusive premiere of “Run To.”

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

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Angela’s Artistic Identity and Musical Debut

Timestamp: [04:14] – [11:33]

• Name Origins: Angela clarifies, “Angela Renee is my artist’s name, and Angela Renee Simmons is my full name.” [04:14, Angela]
• Stepping into Music: Joe and Jadakiss introduce Angela as hip-hop royalty and recognize her transition into music as a big cultural moment.
• Song Genesis: Angela talks about the inspiration behind "Run To" — exploring where we turn when life gets hard and the significance of turning to faith and self-expression.
• Collaborative Spirit: Angela reveals she's signed to Rough Riders and already has an album in the works, with 12–15 songs crafted over two years. “I’m a creative and I’m a creator... There’s other levels and layers to me people haven’t met yet.” [09:44, Angela]
• Involvement of Notable Producers: Hitmaker reached out to Jada about collaborating on the single, underlining the industry support behind the project.

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The Pressure and Privilege of Hip Hop Legacy

Timestamp: [05:12] – [08:19], [34:04] – [37:03]

• Living in the Spotlight: Joe draws comparisons between Angela's family’s legacy and dynastic American families, underpinning the sense of expectation on her life.
• Coping with Expectations: Angela shares, “My parents really instilled that in us at a young age. You don’t have to even be of this industry... I just do what feels the best, you know? On a mental health level, it’s so important not to put yourself in that position where you’re stuck being someone you’re not for everybody else.” [07:21, Angela]
• Realization of Family Fame: Angela recounts, “I think it clicked at that moment [as a child at her father’s concert]... Oh, he’s like—a lot of people know him.” [35:31, Angela]

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Mental Health on a Public Platform

Timestamp: [08:20] – [16:21], [19:00] – [24:05]

• Angela’s Perspective: “Very important. I mean, even ‘Run To’...I’m really big on, where do you run to when you’re going through things? I run to God before anything else.” [08:24, Angela]
• Joe’s Story: Joe offers a candid account of his own battles: “When you’re going through depression, that shit can’t mask it. Cause it’s all in your mind. Your mind is like a Rubik’s Cube...when you fight in your own mind, can’t escape.” [13:41, Joe]
• Coping Mechanisms: Angela adds, “Depression is, like, they say, lack of expression, and it’s like you versus you...what am I not expressing? What part of my life am I not...doing? That’s the inspiration behind the music.” [15:45, Angela]
• Men & Therapy: Joe laments being the only man in the therapy waiting room—underscoring stigma and gender dynamics around seeking help.

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Balancing Life, Business, and Creativity

Timestamp: [16:21] – [17:55], [27:10] – [30:11]

• On Balance: "I don’t think there’s a perfect balance to it...just about giving that time when I have that time.” [16:30, Angela]
• Entrepreneurship: Angela discusses her food business, Angela’s Cakes, with intentions to expand to supermarkets.
• Cultural Traditions: The hosts riff on fasting, family recipes, and generational differences—mixing humor and insight into how culture shapes routines.

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The Recording Process & Influences

Timestamp: [30:11] – [33:50]

• Creative Rituals: Angela’s studio setup: “Yes...I like it dark...lights down, candles, sometimes a little bit of red wine, tea...I like to record at night when I’m sharp.” [30:11, Angela]
• Influences: She cites Jill Scott, Erykah Badu, India.Arie, Solange, and especially Jhené Aiko and Ella Mai as inspirations. “Jhené Aiko really inspired me...I used to listen to her every morning, and that made me start thinking, like, I love this.” [31:51, Angela]
• Joe’s Reflections: Joe relates the new smooth R&B wave to the vibe in his house, spotlighting Ella Mai.

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Hip Hop Stories, Legacy, and Identity

Timestamp: [34:04] – [43:10]

• Anecdotes about Rev Run: Angela tells stories of her dad’s performance rituals, instilling the sense of showmanship and community.
• Fat Joe’s Origins: Dialogue about the “first Fat Joe,” with Rev Run claiming the name before Fat Joe adopted it—bringing humor and camaraderie to their shared legacy.
• What Angela Wants to Represent: “I really want to be able to inspire on my platform, to be able to just uplift folks...bring that, like, good feeling, good vibe.” [29:48, Angela]

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Memorable Moments & Notable Quotes

• On Perfection:
  “I’m by no means perfect. I mean, it might look perfect, but, like, on the inside, everyone got their own stuff going on.” [06:55, Angela]
• On Mental Health:
  “Wherever you go, you could go to the most beautiful place. When you’re going through depression, that shit can’t mask it. Cause it’s all in your mind.” [13:41, Joe]
• On Being Creative:
  “I’m a creator. I went in the studio and I went with what came from inside of me. There’s other levels and layers to me that people haven’t met yet.” [09:44, Angela]
• On Angela’s New Music:
  “Your voice is illness.” [09:57, Jadakiss]
  “It’s a top down vibe, you know, hair blowing in.” [10:20, Angela]
• On Inspiration:
  “If I feel good, then I’m exuding that energy out.” [29:48, Angela]
• On Legacy:
  “We grew up such hip hop, from Break Dance, Graffiti...when that played one time, you watched the whole school [realize]... it was like, all right, there’s some new kings off of one play.” [39:19, Joe]

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In-Episode Premiere: "Run To" by Angela Renee feat. Jadakiss

Timestamp: [44:00] – [47:56]

• Track played live on air (not full lyrics for copyright, but highlights):
  • “Have you ever ran from your truth? You can’t live a lie. It’s time to come up out of that. What is it going to take just for me to get a breakthrough?” [45:00, Angela (spoken word/singing)]
  • “We all run from depression, we all run from stress. Sometimes we run to love, sometimes we run to an addiction...It’s time to stop and face your fears. And be real with yourself. You can’t run from this.” [46:24, Angela]
  • “I’m just doing my thing, showing the people love...Some of the pain leaves but a lot of it stays, say it’s sort of like me tryna get outta this maze.” [45:35, Jadakiss]
  • Jadakiss and Joe both praise Angela’s delivery and the “top down” vibe of the song, urging everyone to “go run that up.”
    • “That’s definitely a knock right there. All you gotta do is work that.” [47:33, Jadakiss]
    • “Thank God. It’s a box.” [48:02, Joe]

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Wrapping Up: What’s Next

Timestamp: [43:27] – [44:00]

• Angela is focused on pushing her debut project, actively working the single “Run To,” and engaging directly with the culture.
• Jadakiss extends support in helping break the record: “If you’re working, I’m helping to work the record.” [43:46, Jadakiss]
• Team chemistry and mutual respect are evident as all three reflect on how the culture grows when it supports authentic new voices.

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Closing Sentiments

• Angela intends to use her voice in hip hop to represent “strength,” bring positivity, and create music that uplifts.
• Fat Joe and Jadakiss both emphasize never losing one’s family legacy—underscoring the Simmons name as an enduring icon.
• Final Cheers: “Make some noise for Angela Renee Simmons!” [48:49, Joe/Jadakiss]

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Summary prepared for listeners who want a deep, authentic sense of the episode’s substance, voice, and key moments.

Transcript

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That's what she's talking about, and you're on it. That is like a very high.

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I'm telling you, this. Foreign. Yo, what up, y'? All? This is Joe Crack the dawn.

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It's your boy Jada. You know what it is? The Joe and Jada show. Every show legendary, Every show iconic that we crushes. Pardon? Today's guest, he thinking. Today's guest, you think of a lot of things. You think of a great mom, Think of a family orientated person, a creator. Think of somebody that works out. Extreme workout, all kind of working out. You think of somebody that takes nice trips that I'm jealous of. You think of somebody that's very photogenic. You think of somebody that whenever she puts her hand on anything, it flourishes, it thrives, it does well. Think it's somebody that does a lot of praying. I mean, comes from a good family, a good background. Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for Angela Renee. Simply. My intros is getting better, better and better.

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That was a wonderful intro, I must say. Yeah, right on point.

[A]

Is that new to Renee Simmons, or. It was like, I don't think it could be new.

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I don't think she probably. We never heard it, but I don't think so.

[B]

Angela Renee is my artist's name, and Angela Renee Simmons is my full name.

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The artist name.

[B]

Yeah.

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So that's what. That's all right.

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Different levels.

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I heard it two, three times this morning. I'm like, all right, so we running with that.

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Yeah. That's my real name, though, because Renee's my middle name.

[C]

All right, that makes sense. I had to ask him to do. I was nervous. Yo, James, dude, do I don't say Simmons or do I just had Renee? I don't want to mess up it. Yeah, you gotta say Simmons, but he

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gotta say, it's one of them things, y'.

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All.

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Two time a few time a felon

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with the peppermint for two time a fellow. How many people could get a two time a felon and get him a peppermint?

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Peppermint time. I'm telling you, you missed that Jordan, boy. You was like, they left without me, huh? Yeah, that boat sailed, yo.

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That boat sailed. Sick.

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That boat sailed, man.

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Save it for Thursday.

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Listen, you grew up royalty to us. You know, we. We look up to your family so much on another level that you was just born into this role. Like, your family is pretty much in hip hop culture. Because I take hip hop like it's a religion, to be honest with you. And so there's forefathers, there's people Who? We wouldn't be here if it wasn't for your family. Right. And so when we see you growing up, it's like almost like the Kennedys or something. We looking at you like she. It's real talk. What do I say now?

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Not like the Kennedys, man. I mean, on the. Nah, don't give me another comparison. Not the Kennedys.

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The Kennedy's a big.

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We know they are, but I don't

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like that comparison, Rockefeller. Not that one either. All right.

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I understand where you're going.

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No, what I. I don't like that. You obviously don't understand. I do understand.

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You know what you're saying early, like,

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listen to me, man.

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I know it's safe.

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Understand? But growing up before everybody's eyes, and that's even before social media.

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Yeah.

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How tough is it to be perfect? How tough is it to, like, everybody expects so much from you. Everybody just looks at you like, he's

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going to ask you some crazy things.

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Is he really?

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I need you to just flow with it.

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I'm going to try to flow with it.

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I'm doing the most decentralized. There are questions in the world.

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How tough is it to be perfect? It's a kind of a sick.

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But it's true, though.

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That's a question for me.

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Have you ever felt I want you to be perfect? I think the world wants you to be perfect. I'm by no means perfect. I mean, it might look perfect, but, like, on the inside, everyone got their own stuff going on. You know what I mean? So when you say perfect, it's like, define perfect. What do you mean by perfect?

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Like, when you.

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So what I mean, like, everybody expects so much of you. Since you was a baby, we looked at you like, all right, they gonna. You know, this is what it is.

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So they like, what's next for you? How do you compete or compare to that? And I think the most important thing is coming from it is not to compare yourself to that and to just be who I am. And our parents really instilled that in us at a young age. You don't have to even be of this industry. You know what I mean? We were never forced into it. We didn't have to be in it. We didn't have to be on TV growing up. We didn't have to do none of it. My parents are like, want me a doctor? Go be a doctor. You want to be like, whatever. And you could change your career at any point in your life. Even now, like, if I just want to go do something else. Like, I'm not confined to one thing. Confined to one thing. Like, I don't have to do that. So I feel like being perfect, you know, Your family doesn't. My family doesn't force that on us. But the world has the pressure of saying, be perfect. But no, for me, I don't look at it like that. You know what I mean? Like, I don't push. Put that much pressure on myself. I just do what feels the best, you know? On a mental health level, it's so important not to put yourself in that position where you're stuck being. And being someone who you're not just for everybody else.

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Yeah.

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How important is it to talk about mental health on a public platform?

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Very important. I mean, even Run to. It's like, I'm really big on. Where do you run to when you're going through things? Where can you. Where can you run to? What does everyone have? I run to God before anything else. You know what I mean? Like, I gotta pray before we do anything

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for the people. That's for the viewers and the people on the rock. She's stepping into music now. She got the new song called Run To. That's what she talking about.

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And you're on it. That is like a very high.

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I'm telling you, love this shit.

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And that is like a highlight. I have to say this.

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I was FaceTiming where she was like, yo, I'm coming on, by the way. People. There's a long list of. That's the fuck. I mean, there's a long waiting list of people. Superstar actors who's trying to get on this show. And you was like, yo, Joe, I'm coming on this show. I'll be there next week. Don't worry. This. And I'm. I. I guess I assume my royal position. That's all right. The queen is coming. She's sitting down, and we. It is what it is.

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Thank you.

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And she told me she did a song with you, I guess what made you want to rap. And now.

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Yeah, I would say it's more poetic.

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You said the poetry, right? Because I didn't hear it.

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Spoken word. You ain't hear yet.

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No, I ain't hear it. We gonna hear it together for sure. Right?

[B]

But it's spoken word. I mean, I just. I'm a creative and I'm a creator. And I went in the studio and I went with what came from inside of me. Like, there's other levels and layers to me that people haven't met yet. And so this is another side.

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Your voice Is illness.

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Thank you.

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And when her hitmaker called me, you

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know, hitmaker's behind this.

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Hitmaker Corte. But Hitmaker reached out to Jada.

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Yeah, they reached out and they was trying to explain what kind of song it was. I can't really understand till they sent

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it to your heart.

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I'm like, oh, no, this is nice.

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Survive.

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Yeah, it's a top down vibe, you know, hair blown in.

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Well, you know, it's better than me. I asked him for a verse. I never get it. You get it.

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I'm so thankful for my person.

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Ain't that some shit? You got Sac Pie dead or alive, huh? I can't get this to do nothing.

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That's Cap, ladies and gentlemen. You know that.

[A]

So you. So you just said being creative. You know, I've been hearing that a lot lately, and I. And I appreciate that, and I love that because for many years, I feel like that has gone away from the culture where it ain't just quick fix to make money. It ain't this people like y'. All. I wanna just express myself.

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Yes. This is near to my heart. I mean, it's a project I started working on over two years ago, but I have like 12 or 15 songs. I'm actively in the studio. I'm signed with Rough Riders, which is like, huge.

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Make some noise for that big wap in the building.

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Yeah, they did it.

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Double law.

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Why in the building? Yeah. And that alone is just exciting for me. So I'm stepping into a whole new world. But it's something that I've been doing and I'm actively in the studio and there will be a project. But we start and we run to.

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And what inspired Runto when I got

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in the booth, Honestly, just thinking of life and life circumstances and what's going on and mental health and, like, where can I go? And, you know, Reza's on the track, the girl singing and listening to what she was talking about. I'm like, yo, this makes sense for that, you know what I mean? Sitting there and really thinking about what people are going through. People mask their pain all day. We all do. We're human. But it's like, where can we go? How do we, like, express? So it just came from, like, real emotions, raw emotions, things I'm going through, things that I feel like other people can relate to and maybe don't always talk about. But music's a great place because it's things you listen to. Like, for me, the first thing I do in the morning, I'm on jazz. I'm Listening to meditation stuff. So, like, this is something to me I can listen to first thing in the morning. Because it's just positive and it pushes me to the next level. Like, what's next?

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You know, Is there a project? I said, I heard you say you've

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been working on it, but you're going to release.

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Yes, there's a project.

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Don't rush the single, though. Let the single. Let it marinate and saute and do the numbers.

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No, we got time for the project. The single is the push right now.

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That's why I like that.

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Yeah, the video. You ain't see the video yet, right?

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I ain't seen nothing yet. We gotta permit everything we have in the blind, man. Nobody's showing me.

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Oh, we gotta show you everything.

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Objects close, appear closer than the mirror or whatever that is, man. I don't. You know, it's crazy, right? Because when we talk about mental health, like, me, myself, I went through depression for, like, two years. Got real fat, got, you know, couldn't sleep, couldn't. You know, I went through it, through it, through it, through it, through it. And the whole time, you know, the challenge ain't even a place right? So say the first year of my depression, I went. The luckiest thing I think I had about my depression was that I was rich at the time, so at least I was able. Yeah, that helped. I was at the Delano. I had the bungalow for, like, rented for a year.

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Oh, wow.

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So I'm just in there depressed, coming out, pull new strangers every day. I lived in the Delano in Miami, in the bungalow, and I was just like, wherever you go, you could go to the most beautiful place. When you're going through depression, that shit can't mask it. Cause it's all in your mind. I'm saying your mind is like a Rubik's Cube.

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So true.

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So it's like you fighting your mind. So I noticed. I said, damn, if it's one thing, you a gang member. You got to move out of Compton. Hey, move out of Compton, they won't kill you. But when you fight in your own mind, can't escape. It don't matter where you go. You go, private islands. I did all that shit. Private islands, all that was still depressed, still fucked up, still, you know? And it's like a Rubik's Cube. One day, you got to figure it out. You got to crack that code. I kept telling myself, like, yo, Joe, you smart. Come on, figure this out, Joe. Every day, fighting myself, yo, Joe, you smart, man. Figure this out. Come on you know how to get out of this. You know what's going on? Cause I knew what was going on. Like, not only being depressed, I'm losing everything, like, you know what I'm saying? My crew, my this, my that. Everybody looking at Joe, he not the same. He weaker this this, that. So you know that mental illness is real. But I. I told him before, he hates when I repeat stories, but it's important, you know, When I was going to see therapy, it was 99% women. And me, I was the only man in there going to get therapy. It was just all women and me. And I asked the doc one day, I said, your doc. You know what I'm saying? Why is no men here? And she was like, well, these are all women that got rich. Husbands that feel like every time they husband leave out of town, he doing the do not sticking the king toast. He's not seeking the kingdom. You gotta seek the kingdom.

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Yes, yes.

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We can't forget that one. Anytime, temptation, any bad thing, whatever, just say, yo, I'm seeking the kingdom, and get up out of here.

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Yeah, but that's real. I mean, depression is, like, they say, lack of expression, and it's like you versus you. So it's like anytime you feeling down, it's like, you really gotta look at yourself. You know what I mean? It's like, what am I doing that's not expressing myself enough? What am I not expressing? What part of my life am I not? Like, what am I not doing? Because, like, I get. I think sometimes and I think so many people even around me have experienced depression. And I've been through things where it's like, what do you do now? Like, what am I not doing to get myself to the other side? It's such a push. And so that, like, to me, that's a part of, like, the inspiration behind the music, like, and what I'm putting out right now.

[C]

You're a mom, a producer, entrepreneur, creator. Now you making music. How are you gonna balance all of these things?

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I don't think there's a perfect balance to it. I think it's more about just allocating time. Like, okay, I'm gonna put this much percent of time here. This here, it's like looking at your hundred percent and splitting it up and giving 100% of each time of each of those percents. You know, I learned that from a mentor over time, and I was like, that makes a lot of sense, because you can't give 100% to everything without breaking it down. Like, okay, I'm gonna give 20% here, but when I give that 20%, I'm gonna give 100% at that 20%. You get what I'm saying? My highest level. So it's just about giving that time when I have that time.

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Yeah. I don't work like that. Like me, I'm like. I'm like, crazy. I'm definitely crazy. Nah, nah. I figured.

[B]

What's your version of crazy, though?

[A]

I'm not crazy crazy, but I'm crazy.

[B]

Not crazy crazy, but I'm crazy.

[A]

I'm crazy. But the two chains came over here the other day, and he sat in that seat and he looked at me, he says, nah. I watch y' all on the time, and I just think you just. He said, nah, you crazy. And he did. The first guy made me realize I'm crazy. Cause two chain don't play like that. When he told me that, I looked at him.

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I said his word major.

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I went home. I said. I said, yo, Joe, you fried. I said, I wonder why. I said, two chains say. I said. He said, nah, I'm really figuring it out. Yo, you crazy. So I got in that car, pulled out of here, headed to Jersey. I said, nah, yo, you know, son Joe, you fried, man.

[B]

You told yourself that after. I'm proud.

[A]

Yeah. Because I. I got. We got a crazy dude that. That's in this building. He's with OG Juan and Jay Z every day. My man go. I know gordo since the 80s in the streets.

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Shout out to Goro.

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Shout out to my brother Goldo. And Godo is fried. Okay? Everybody know he crazy. Everybody you know. God know why. You know he's crazy. Everybody know he's crazy. One day he looked at me, he said, yo, Joe, you know you fried. I said,

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it's the fried for me when the fried.

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The kettle calling the kettle.

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The.

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The pot, whatever. Like he said. I said, yo, I'm fried with the pot crazy. You call it the pot calling the kettle black, bro. That man hit me with the. Yo, yo, yo, Joe, you know you fried. I said, what Stupid fried. My whole life, I got problems, but not I got problems. In a good way, though. In a good way.

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You good crazy?

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Yeah, I'm good crazy. But I need that. You know she's coming. I know she dropping the record. She's royalty. I want to talk hip hop. Somehow. We're talking mental illness.

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Yeah.

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No, no.

[B]

We've been talking about everywhere.

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I know. It's the realest.

[B]

Everybody's going through something.

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I mean, so this is why we talking mental Illness right now, right? So I'm going with. I'm one of them guys. I freestyle. I don't got. I'm going with the flow. Flow is. It's real. A lot of people going through some shit. Let us tell you what we going through so that you. Maybe it'll help you if you're going through that now. It's true. You understand what I'm saying? But, like, your hand move.

[C]

I like it.

[A]

Nah, this guy's crazy.

[C]

Finish.

[A]

I forgot what I started saying. But in this business, right, like you, you get in a relationship, you all over everybody. Know your business. You can't pick a booger. You go to dinner, you can't pick a booger. This shit crazy out here.

[C]

You got flag.

[B]

Which one should I flag?

[C]

Don't throw a flag.

[A]

Come up before social media. This shit is fried out here. Everything's a problem. A landmine, a this or that. Let me tell you something. I'mma tell you something. It's none of these people. You can put the camera on me. It's none of these cameras right there. I hate 69.

[B]

Inevitable.

[A]

Like, I hate him. Like, I. Hold up. Let me explain something to you. Let me. I always got a reason for explaining this. I hate him. If he stepped on the landmine, I wouldn't give a. For 1km of us, I might play the. I don't give a right. So I hate everything he stands for, everything he does, everything. I hate him. The guy goes to jail for three months. I thought maybe my social media calmed down. I said, all right, this pussy in jail, that maybe it'll calm down. This shit just start going wild, crazy. Everybody else beefing with everybody, everybody talking about everybody. It's like, I thought he was the problem. I thought he was like the cancer of my Instagram, you know, of everything I hate in life. And the man goes away for three, four months and get even crazier, bro. So what I'm saying is mental health. When we go back to the mental health, it is mental health. Yeah, it's all connected. It's all connected. It's all connected because it's up right now. The world and everything that's going on right now is fucked up. And, you know, to keep your sanity, to keep your this, and then you gotta still look cute. You gotta do everything you gotta do. You gotta be presentable. You gotta this, this, this, that. That shit is not. It's hard. And I worry about our kids and I worry about everybody out there because just so much pressure in so many different ways. For everybody that famous kids. Famous kids, they be killing themselves. It's just the truth. Because it's a different kind of pressure on them.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, the spotlight pressure messes with people for sure. I think if you're not built for it or you don't have the foundation, you know what I mean? It can definitely become a thing. That's like hard. Especially if you don't have a therapist or you're not seeking things to help you spiritually. If you're not growing, it becomes a really hard space for kids, you know. So it's tough. We gotta keep good people around you and the right people, great people, matter of fact around you.

[A]

And what do you do when you get old like me and you say, yo, I'm tired.

[C]

Go to bed like your.

[A]

Why? No go. What? Go to bed, go to bed. No, no, no, no. For a long time, say Rough Ride is a big crew. Terror Squad. A big crew. For a long time I might have talked so many guys off the ledge from doing Triple Life. And they be. You don't know how many times. I don't drink. How about when you do see me drink? When one of my friends say they're about to kill a whole town, I go there and sit with them to six in the morning, drinking Hennessy, talking them off the mountain, the ledge. Nah, brother. You know, drinking the Hennessy with them out the bottom, you know, I did this shit my whole life. I'm tired. I'm tired. Joseph Cartagena is tired of jumping in everybody's beef, everybody's talking, everybody's this. For years I had to be like a filter for everybody to talk them off a ledge, you know. And I'm tired now like myself, the guy who just been the battering ram of everybody's problems. Everybody.

[C]

You know my answer.

[B]

Do you meditate?

[A]

No, I don't meditate. I'm good. I'm good in my space. I don't have no. No problem with my mental illness and nothing like that. I am put. Let me tell you something. I'm creative like you. I. I draw. I go in my office and I drew. Yesterday I came off the plane, I drew for like. I drove for like seven hours straight. I don't give a. I just put it in my.

[B]

That's what you.

[A]

All my music. That's why my music always so violent. Cuz it's like I gotta get it out.

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[B]

Yes, we are. We're about to actually launch in some different markets right now. Angela's Cake's doing well. Pancakes. And they're amazing. We actually should get you guys some.

[C]

Definitely.

[B]

I should have bought. I should have cooked it, right?

[A]

Is it a supermarket or.

[B]

We will be soon. Yeah. Right now we're online. It's eatangelascakes.com and Angelas Cakes on Instagram.

[A]

What made you come up with a pan? Could you do it for some guy on keto? Like, do we Got.

[B]

Oh, we can figure it all out. Whatever's necessary. Can. We can alter the recipe.

[A]

I need some. They told me they got these protein.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Pancakes and, like, Whole Foods.

[B]

Mustache pancakes. They're good.

[A]

They're good.

[B]

I've had them.

[A]

You fasting? How long you fasting? Because every day you fast.

[C]

We was. We was traveling. I can break my fast when I'm. It's a month or whenever the sun.

[A]

You Muslim? I never knew you was Muslim. You just see me fasting.

[B]

I'm fasting. That's amazing.

[C]

What's your name? In Dubai,

[A]

Puerto Ricans specialize in pork. They love it. When I say they love pork. I don't know if it was the cheapest meat or whatever, but they would eat it. And I come sit in my mother's house, and my father would be like, trying to give me pork. I'd be like, yo, Pop, I don't eat pork. He'd be like, you in that religion. He starts speaking. He thought I was busting. I was like, not your pop. I just don't eat pork, yo. But it's the best in the world. What are you talking about? I may eat something. I eat pork every day. What's wrong with you? This. I'm like, yo, Pop, I just don't eat pork. But it's on stuff a lot. Tell him. What?

[C]

Stop a lot, Papa.

[A]

Stop a lot. I said, no one said, nah, my pops didn't give a fuck. That man used to argue with me. He used to try to. One day, I got so pissed at him, he made some beans and rice. I looked at. They had a little piece of ham in the beans. I was like, yo, pops was simple. He's like, nah, I'm just trying to, you know, introduce it to you again. I see your pop don't slip me. He tried to slip me a Mickey. He threw the ham in that. You know, I don't eat that since I'm 12. He tried to slip me and Mickey with the pork. He was dumb tight. I stopped eating pork. You know that pork, man. Oof. I don't know. I just. I couldn't do it. Not even as a final bill. They say, yo, you about to die. You want to eat some pork? I be like, nah, I'm good.

[C]

What do you want your voice in hip hop to represent?

[B]

Strength, I would say. I really want to be able to inspire on my platform, to be able to just uplift folks, you know what I mean? Bring people together. Bring that, like, good. Good feeling, good vibe. You know what I mean? Like, when I'm in the studio, those are the things I'm listening for. Like, what's gonna make me feel my best. And I know if I feel good, then I'm exuding that energy out.

[C]

Do you burn candles? Do you got sage and Palisantra?

[B]

Yes. You're on. You got my whole body. Bouncer. See, So I like it dark. I have, like, the mood, the lights down, the blues. Or, like, depending on the mood. I go with different light color, but very dim. And I like to record at night. Like, I'm, like, sharp at night time. Sometimes a little bit of red wine. Tea. Yeah.

[A]

I'll tell you about the red wine. Five bottles.

[B]

I want lots of candles, even in

[A]

the Mr. Five bottles. Dead or alive red wine over here. These guys.

[B]

I like red wine.

[C]

That's fire. Because I, I, I'm. I. I'm better in the daytime, really. I mean, I. I gotta try the candles and tea, and it's such a. I gotta see what I can. I gotta try. I gotta.

[A]

Guys.

[C]

Beautiful.

[B]

It feels peaceful. I like everyone's sleep in my head, you know?

[A]

Beautiful.

[C]

My music can't sound too peaceful.

[B]

That makes sense.

[C]

That makes sense, but not two.

[A]

Yo, this would be the one time I'm not a Jadakiss fan, bro. I give up on them. I break the CD and everything. Beloved. We are universal. We are the nicest out of here. I want my money back. Yeah, I mean, like, yo, you ain't gonna know.

[C]

I'm not gonna tell you what song I made off the.

[A]

Off the camera.

[B]

That's my.

[A]

So you got people like Jill Scott. We got India Iri, Got Erykah Badu. Solange. We got Solange.

[B]

Janae Aiko really inspired me as well. Like, when I heard her stuff like that is an artist that. When I listened to it, I used to listen to her. Calm down. Like, she's, like, a really nice one. I used to listen to that every morning. And that made me start thinking, like, I love this. Like, this space is, like, beautiful to function at. So.

[A]

You know what's crazy? Lately, in my house, they've been putting on this smooth. There's a smoother level of R B. Like Ella Mae. I think she's the leader of it.

[B]

Oh, I'm in love. Every day I'm listening.

[A]

Her album is incredible.

[B]

It's on play right now. She's amazing.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But I try to tell Dre. Yep, you know, Cool. And Dre, you should get in the studio with Dream. Dre would know exactly what to give you.

[C]

Yeah, I Think Hunter do something.

[A]

But Dre don't know what's going on with Ella May right now. So I hit him up and I was like, yo, Ella May been on my playlist. Crazy lately. He's like, yeah, Joe, she's nice. I said, no. I said, you haven't heard her new shit. Like, she ain't just nice. She right. She different level. She different level. She running this shit right now. This album. I listened to it on the plane yesterday. Her shit is great.

[B]

Speak to my soul. Like, she just. It's something about her lyrics. The first day luckiest man. Like, I know tracks. I listen to her entire album. Yeah, I'll get to naming them all. But I love her song.

[A]

I like the 101 neck. Keep it 100.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, 100.

[A]

But they got a whole new genre of, like, peaceful music. It's a whole new, like I've been listening to.

[C]

Tap into that.

[B]

Telling you, Olivia Dean's Fire, too.

[A]

She's the whole. You sit there, they play that on Spotify, whatever. And every record's better than the next. You keep going, yo, who's that? And it's somebody you never heard of. You go, who's that? Yo, that's somebody. You just kill it.

[B]

It's inspirational.

[A]

That's it.

[B]

Yeah. Feel good. That's what I. That's.

[A]

Yo, when we gonna hear this record up? But hold on. I wanna. Because y'.

[B]

All.

[A]

Me up. We did it. Y' all did it.

[C]

I don't think it was us growing up.

[A]

Growing up.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Right. Because your dad. I want people to know. A lot of people know you. Well, whatever they. What they call Gen Z's or whatever. What's these young kids called?

[B]

Gen Z.

[A]

They don't know about your dad and all that. They just don't. They know family. They know about you and your family. Unless they come from, like, a historical hip hop family. That taught him. Yo, this is the man.

[C]

Like, my son.

[A]

He know about it. You know, just for me, right? When they did the legendary concert where they put up the Adidas, I didn't get to go. My uncle told me he was coming. And me and my brother waited in front of that building for hours, looking at every headlight that came up the block. He never came. And so we ain't go. And so the other day, 50th anniversary of hip Hop Yankee Stadium, to me was the biggest. That was such a big day of my life. We performed, and then I went to the suite. My family and your pops came on that. She said, oh, no, no, no. And I immediately knew the gods are here. Like, this is another level of, like, you know. And you as a kid, what is some of the memorable moments? Or you knew as a kid, like, yo, my father's a superstar.

[B]

He did for a little while, I think, after second grade maybe, because I'm telling you, like, so for me, in school, like, the kids would always, like, second grade is young. Yeah. I guess I kind of remember, like, the kid. The parents of the kids would be like, can we get such from your dad? And I'm like, what? It didn't dawn on me, I'm telling you, till I was at a show. And it was one that my dad. We drove the van from New York to somewhere. I don't know where we went, but I know that we used to sleep in the back of the van. That was, like, so fun for us. And we would go to the hotel, and then my dad would take us to the show. So we'd be on the side and watch. But there I seen him throw the mic, stand in the audience, and I'm like, yo, all these people are very excited to see him. I think it clicked at that moment. Oh, he's like. A lot of people know him. You know what I mean? Like, it was the energy in the room. It was the standing on the side with everybody. We don't know. We were so little, but it was like that particular show that I remember driving the van to the show, going to the hotel, and then going to the hotel to the show and seeing the energy in the room. I was like, what? And how he was just carrying on and throwing things in the audience. I'm like, oh, he can do that. Like, that's crazy. It was something else. Watching Jam Master J, like, just everything. It was like. We went to a lot of his shows. Like, so when we would be with him, we go back and forth. My mom, dad's house on the weekends. We with dad, he on the show, we at the show, we on the side, we right next to the turntables. It was, like, epic. Now that I think back, I didn't know it took that show to, like. It clicked.

[C]

It was like my first superhero.

[B]

Really,

[C]

like, changed my life.

[B]

It's so dope. I love hearing these stories.

[A]

You know, I got this. I got. I got this one better than anybody. How about that one? I'm in junior high school. Just to let you know how, you know, I performed She'll Only Come Out At Night. Then I sung that at junior high school. She's a Man eater like that. I'm just trying to let you know where we at with this, right?

[C]

Oh, here she goes.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, Fat Joe, son that shit. And so I sit down, it's like a hundred of us. Well, it seemed more than 100. It was like 700, the whole school. And the record at the time was Kumo D, Special K. They had that meal. Neil, Neil, Neil, Neil. So everybody would come up and do their dance routine to that. Like, that was the shit. They was running the game. And these three girls, I wish I knew who they were, what they named they in my school, but I don't know. And that shit came on your father. When I seen 1000 kids look at each other. Because the Bronx ran hip hop, destroyed, dominated, king. Nobody else lived, Nobody else got to play nobody else. Like, Bronx was like maybe the first 15 years of hip hop. It was just the Bronx. Like there was nothing else rocking. Every artist that was popping, Kurtis Blow, whoever, everybody was the Bronx. When that shit came on, I watched the whole school look at each other and knew it was a new day off of one play. When that shit came on, the whole school was, like, looking at each other like, oh, which one was There we go.

[C]

Or Rock Box?

[A]

No rock. It was. It was. I think it was like that.

[B]

Oh, that's.

[C]

That's the way it is.

[A]

Yeah. But when I tell you the whole school went like this and everybody looked at it together and everybody was like, oh, it's a new day. It's an alien came to Earth. It was AI.

[B]

That's insane.

[A]

Like, it was AI. Like, we grew up such hip hop, you know, from Break Dance, Graffiti. This, this. Like, we was there, there, there.

[B]

That's so dope.

[A]

When that played one time, you watched the host, right?

[C]

Because the energy off that, the build up off.

[A]

They just played it, played. It started. Okay. Everybody looking at each other like, yeah,

[C]

it comes on with energy.

[A]

Yo, in one second second, everybody just looked at each other and was like, oh, it's a new day. Like, this shit is over. Somebody else owns hip hop off of one play. And they ain't never stopped. They just took the game. That's amazing, you know? Yeah, that shit was like. Cause a lot of times we go through stuff, say you right, say you started your TV show or whatever you. I wonder what the girl in Philly is thinking or the girl in la, young girl that could relate or whatever. We all feel like that he makes music. Y' all wonder how they like it or how they. This and this. I actually was there With a thousand fellow Bronx students. And they all was looking like one play. Everybody was like, wow. It was like, all right, there's some new kings off of one play. That's the way it is. Oh, that was like, huh.

[C]

He got one of them. I used to stay up and I had to put the tissue in the tape and catch him late night and catch the catch. That's how I used to catch the exclusive. That was like the best thing. I'll kill you for. That thing was going right. Me and P was supposed to do some writing for the Rev, right? Yeah, we. He was with us. We in the studio. We was in Powerhouse. We chilling. We get the beat, all that. First we asking them mad, you know, that we questioned them. We asked him a million questions each chilling. I mean, now we finish questioning them, we get the tracks.

[A]

Oh, so you question them to know what you gonna write about.

[C]

We question them. Cause we stupid get here. We question them because how many times we gonna be with the Rev? We get to ask some shit.

[A]

So we.

[C]

We asking the man question now. We get the track, we listen to the track. We find out how he want us to carve it. Like six o'.

[B]

Clock.

[C]

I don't know what some. I forgot what time came.

[A]

He looked at his watch. It was church time. I said, oh, it was sleep. He said, I got it.

[C]

Yo, he got up, he gave me a pee, and D. We didn't know what happened. Said, no, I got to go home. I got to go to sleep.

[B]

My dad said, gotta go.

[C]

He said, I gotta go.

[A]

There's a set time for sleep with him.

[C]

I asked you, is everything. I am now. I'm good, y'.

[B]

All.

[C]

I just gotta go to sleep. I don't play with my sleep. When I gotta go to. I gotta go.

[B]

I gotta be on his own schedule. He ain't gonna play about his schedule. Whatever he's doing, he doing.

[A]

You know, he was the first Fat Joe. He always argued with me about that.

[B]

No, did he say.

[A]

He said that was his name.

[C]

Oh, that's what his nickname.

[A]

What's your new name? Before mention, that was Fat Joe. And fucking Russell Simmons was like, what's a Fat Joe? Don't nobody give a fuck about a Fat Joe. You gotta be like. You know what I'm saying? Ain't nobody on the block wanna be Fat Joe. You gotta be run. You gotta. This, this, this. He tells you that story. He said, I got mad when you came out. Cause that was my name.

[B]

Now, that's something.

[A]

He said, yo, that was my name. Like I was supposed to be Fat Joe. I said, yo, I'm gonna leave the flag. Oh, it might be Cap. That's your dad. When you go home or whatever you

[C]

speak to, I'm gonna just flash the Fat Joe.

[A]

Said you was the first Fat Joe. She's gonna confirm it.

[C]

Look what I did. I flashed

[B]

that. You just showed it.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You gotta talk, huh? I'm telling you the truth. I ain't gonna lie to you.

[C]

What's next?

[B]

Just this project. Diving into this and pushing this. I'm excited.

[C]

You really gonna work it? You ain't gonna just. Don't just Frisbee it.

[A]

You gotta really.

[B]

No, this is passion.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

A minute.

[C]

Yeah. I gotta talk to you behind the scenes. We got some events to show up to.

[B]

Please come.

[C]

If you're working, I'm helping to work the record.

[B]

Thank you.

[C]

This is awesome.

[A]

You know this guy here?

[C]

Teamwork. Make the dream work. Water and fire make the steam work. Can we hear? You want to hear it?

[A]

Yeah, let's hear it.

[C]

Play it nice and loud.

[A]

You know, once we play that,

[B]

Where do you go?

[C]

Knocking already.

[B]

Amazing.

[A]

Temptation what is it going to take?

[B]

Have you ever found yourself trying to find which way to go? Do I go left? Maybe it's right have you ever ran from the truth? Have you ever ran from your truth? You can't live a lie it's time to come up out of that. What is it going to take Just for me to get a breakthrough break? Cuz I'm going to do amazing Tell you who I run to I cannot

[A]

decide

[B]

I'm running through this m trying to bury all the pain can you tell me who to run to?

[C]

Yeah, I'm just doing my thing Showing the people love Let not your good be spoken in evil love Fighting fire with fire Hoping it evens up but you blind to the fact that you don't even see the love at this point the whole ordeal is draining Consider it a loss that's if I'm not gaining I see you trying to force it But I'm not changing I'm just looking for a plot I could bury the pain in over there dreaming get out of your days Stop fighting with your demons get out of your ways Some of the pain leaves But a of lot of his stays say it's sort of like me Trying to get out of this maze what's up.

[B]

Cuz? I'm running through Amazing. I cannot decide. We all run from depression we all run from stress Sometimes we run to love Sometimes we run to an addiction Sometimes what you run into, they say what you run from, you run into. It's time to stop and face your fears. And be real with yourself. You can't run from this.

[C]

That's definitely a knock right vibe right there. That's a knock. All you gotta do is work that.

[B]

Let's do it.

[C]

I mean, I just need. All you gotta do is push that thing and let it.

[B]

That's the top down song to me.

[A]

Who's the girl singing?

[B]

Reza.

[A]

Nice. Beautiful.

[C]

Your voice sounds good on. Your voice sounds too.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Thank God.

[C]

When you see him go like this.

[B]

Thank God.

[A]

Thank God. It's a box.

[B]

I'm glad.

[C]

Run two. Make sure y' all get that run to go.

[A]

Get that. Put that on that list. I'll be listening to and Rough Riders when I'm doing my graffiti. Rough.

[C]

Yeah. Rough Riders does it again. You know, you know, we. You know, we got chapters.

[A]

We never stop the rough. Ride for life.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Shout out to the General. I mean, Siobhan,

[A]

whole family.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You might as well shout out everybody.

[C]

The whole family, baby. Ride or die.

[A]

That's it.

[B]

Respect, man.

[A]

Yo, listen, this ain't that.

[C]

That ain't. This is cracking. Kiss. Make some noise for Angela Renee.

[A]

Simmons. And let me tell you something, Never lose the Simmons. And let me tell you something, Never lose the Simmons. Guy get married to you. You give him the Simmons.

[C]

You gotta take this.

[A]

You gotta take the Sims.

[B]

I'm gonna add the Simmons to my husband's name.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Facts.

[A]

You got Edward Robert Washington.

[C]

Robert Washington.

[A]

Edward Robert Washington Simmons iii.

[B]

Y' all gotta say, I told my daughter that.

[A]

I said, yo, you get married, you know, you keep that car to Gina. So you. You gotta figure it out. When you get married, you gotta be whatever car to Gina. Like, we ain't losing that. That's all I'm saying.

[C]

You breaking it. You breaking it. It don't go like that.

[A]

But we gotta do it. Everything is broken right now. We might as well keep breaking.

[C]

This ain't broken. This shit.

[A]

If it keep breaking it, who gives a.

[C]

Got a new. I got a patent. If it's broke, keep breaking it.

[A]

Yo, listen, man, it was an honor to have you here, man.

[B]

Thank you.

[C]

Play that song again.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Let's hear that joint.

[B]

Yes. Thank you for having me.

[A]

Yes. Sam.