Angie Martinez IRL - Da Brat & Judy Dupart: Learning To Mix Business With Pleasure

Summary

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Joe and Jada Podcast Special: Angie Martinez IRL – Da Brat & Judy Dupart: Learning To Mix Business With Pleasure

Aired: February 27, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode of Angie Martinez IRL, hip-hop legend Da Brat and beauty mogul Judy Dupart join Angie to discuss their journey as a married couple, their new book "The Way Love Goes," and their experience of mixing love, business, and family life. The conversation candidly explores coming out, blending professional and personal worlds, real lessons from surviving loss, the power of second chances, parenting, and the importance of communication. The episode is infused with humor, honesty, and a deep sense of mutual admiration between Brat and Judy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Legacy, Music, and Shifting Careers

• Nostalgia & Early Days: Brat and Angie reminisce about their early music careers, performing on the MTV Awards, and old-school industry challenges.
  • [03:30] “We had the brown and we had different...stylists and wardrobe. It was crazy.” – Brat
• Music Industry Changes: Brat reflects on how the pace of music consumption makes it less fulfilling to release new work.
  • [05:11] “I do a lot of music all the time, but...shit is different...they don't appreciate it the way they used to.”
• Music Vault: Brat mentions having dozens of unreleased tracks, preferring to wait for the right moment to release them.
  • [06:03] “When the time is right, I might license them or something.”

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2. Coming Out & Finding True Love

• Hiding vs. Living Out Loud: Brat discusses never considering coming out publicly before meeting Judy, emphasizing industry taboos around sexuality for female artists.

  • [06:42] “That shit wasn't cool back in...for a female artist, you couldn't do that. Remember, Ellen lost everything back in the day.” – Brat
  • [07:15] “I never really met anybody that made me want to be out loud...apparently not until I met this one.”

• The Moment of Change: Brat describes falling in love with Judy as the catalyst to sharing her truth publicly.

  • [09:10] “I just wanted to walk through the crowd holding her hand. I wanted her to sit that ass in my lap.”
  • [10:04] “I want people to see how happy I am and who's making me feel this way.”

• The Emotional Toll: Acknowledges how weighty not living authentically was—even if it wasn’t a secret to everyone.

  • [07:52] “There’s a weight to that...it really wasn’t...an amazingly kept secret either.” – Angie
  • [08:01] “Anybody that dressed like me and rapped like me, everybody thought all of us were.” – Brat

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3. Relationship Beginnings & Early Challenges

• Messy Beginnings: Judy approached Brat first, but Brat admits to being closed-off, uncommunicative, and juggling old situations.

  • [14:35] “She was cleaning up her mess. I left her alone though.” – Judy
  • [14:42] “I didn’t tell her because I didn’t want to lose her...that’s hard to do when you don’t want to lose the person.” – Brat

• Explicit Honesty as a Rule: Both stress the importance, albeit difficulty, of being honest about baggage at the start of a relationship.

  • [15:07] “Come clean with all your baggage. Tell them everything that they need to know and give them an option.”

• The “Ghosting” Story & Reconnection: Judy tells a humorous but vulnerable story about flying to meet Brat and being stood up multiple times.

  • [11:55] “She had me fly to Atlanta. Didn’t answer the phone...She did it to me three times now.” – Judy

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4. The Anatomy of Real Love

• Recognizing True Love:

  • [10:51] “Your body tells you, your spirit tells you, your butterflies tell you...you just feel it.” – Brat

• Judy’s Pursuit: Judy shares she made the first move and had to break through Brat’s reserve.

  • [14:05] “I told her first. I was like, I'm interested in you. So I approached her.” – Judy

• Brat’s Vulnerability: Brat recalls being thrown off by Judy’s interest, leading to endearing stories of awkward first encounters.

  • [18:21] “My stomach started hurting, like all kinds of things...I tried to...drink some Hennessy...it poured all over my shirt. The cherry fell off the blunt and burnt the couch.”

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5. Communication, Conflict & Growth

• On Therapy and Growth: Brat admits to learning patience, the importance of listening, and the value of therapy (past and present).

  • [22:00] “I have to curb my temper...I've learned how to listen more opposed to just responding to defend myself.”

• Golden Rule – Communication: Both cite communication as their relationship’s foundational lesson.

  • [22:56] “If you disagree about something, shit, you gotta find a happy medium...meet in the middle.” – Brat

• Conflict Styles:

  • Brat dislikes when Judy leaves mid-argument, feels “disrespected,” and prefers resolution before sleep.
    • [24:41] “If we in a heated conversation...and you get up and walk out...where the fuck is you going?”
  • Judy explains she walks away to avoid saying things she’ll regret and to de-escalate.
    • [24:29] “I walk away to de-escalate...This is about to be a screaming war, or we're gonna say something we don't mean.”

• Parenting Disputes: Navigating “fairness” in parenting when roles shift due to work demands, with honesty and understanding.

  • [32:31] “One partner becomes more hands on with parenting and the other one takes more financial responsibility...how do you distribute?”

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6. Blending Business with Pleasure

• Clear Roles Are Essential: For them, success in business as a couple comes from clear roles and strengths.

  • [44:49] “We have been able to be successful in business because of our setup...She loves the domesticated side...I handle all of the business side and the money.” – Judy

• Paperwork Matters: Even as spouses, they keep legal paperwork around their business ventures (e.g. Brat’s Kaleidoscope hair collection) for clarity and fairness.

  • [47:48] “I made sure she had a licensing deal. I wanted to make sure every single thing with her face...she got money off it.” – Judy
  • [48:53] Brat admits, “I just feel like whatever I have is hers...I feel like we didn’t need paperwork.”

• Advice for Couples in Business:

  • Assess strengths and boundaries first; paperwork and defined roles keep love and logistics separate.
  • [50:03] “Like-minded people probably could get away with it. Or people...one is strong in one thing...one in the other.”

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7. Parenting, Family, and Identity

• Journey to Parenthood: Judy wanted Brat to experience pregnancy because of Brat’s nurturing nature.

  • [34:10] “If you know her well enough, you know she's the most nurturing person you'll meet in your whole entire life.” – Judy

• Donor Decision – The Truth: Judy clarifies why their child is not biologically Black—the genetic matching process would have risked health complications.

  • [36:44] “People don't realize that Black men don't donate as much sperm as the rest of the races. Our chances of getting a black donor heightened our chances of our baby having an illness.”
  • [37:43] “We didn’t have an option.”

• Teaching About Race: They are committed to raising their son with honest conversations about his identity.

  • [38:45] “We just gonna tell him...so he understands everything...He’s going to know who he is, where he’s from.”

• Blended Family: Judy’s older children accept Brat and their new family dynamic with love and a sense of normalcy.

  • [68:41] “I raised them to love first.”

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8. Survival, Resilience & Entrepreneurship

• Judy’s Story of Adversity: Judy recounts surviving as a teen mom, being evicted at 17, and rebuilding her life after Hurricane Katrina.

  • [57:42] “According to the world’s standards, I shouldn’t be where I am...Adversity builds your character.”
  • [58:18] “Surviving. Losing everything makes you feel like anything is possible.”

• Entrepreneurial Lessons:

  • After Katrina, she leveraged her hair skills, finding ways to thrive and offering normalcy to her displaced community.
  • [63:45] “You want a sense of normalcy...I at least want to look the same...I was able to get clients.”

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9. Love, Loyalty, and Boundaries

• Exes & Trust:
  • Both are clear about boundaries with ex-partners.
    • [40:12] “Cause she don’t let me talk to my exes.”
    • [41:22] “You just don’t leave that door open.”
• Mutual Respect: They share both passwords and transparency, balancing trust and privacy.

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10. Hopes, Reflections & Affirmations

• Book’s Message:

  • [39:55] “It’s never too late for love. It’s okay to give second chance. It comes to you when you’re not looking.” – Judy

• What They’re Most Proud Of:

  • Judy: Teaching entrepreneurship and inspiring faith through her Dropping Knowledge tour.
    • [70:11] “Over 5,000 people gave their life to Christ.”
  • Brat: First female rapper to sell a million records, proud to be a part of music history.

• Purpose vs. Profit – Life Lessons:

  • Judy: “Your profit is never supposed to overseed or outweigh your purpose.” [73:10]
  • Brat: Staying true to her love of music, regardless of industry trends.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Vulnerability and Love:

  “Nobody had ever made me feel ready...apparently they just weren’t what they should have been.” – Brat [10:32]

• On Communication:

  “You gotta know—shut the fuck up sometimes, too...now I just shut the fuck up. She can have it.” – Brat [23:19]

• On Business with a Partner:

  “It’s very risky...I’m very transparent...it only worked because of our setup.” – Judy [46:48]

• On Resilience:

  “Surviving, losing everything makes you feel like anything is possible, and you don't be scared to take a risk.” – Judy [64:26]

• On Faith:

  “He would tell me, get back focused on my purpose...your profit is never supposed to oversee your purpose.” – Judy [73:41]

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Highlighted Timestamps

• 03:30 – Brat & Angie reminisce on music beginnings
• 06:42 – Brat discusses industry challenges and coming out
• 09:10 – Brat recalls first public moment with Judy
• 14:05 – Judy on pursuing Brat
• 18:21 – Brat’s awkward first date stories
• 22:56 – The importance of communication in marriage
• 31:08 – Navigating relationship needs for space and connection
• 44:49 – Business roles & advice for couples
• 57:42 – Judy’s story of adversity and survival
• 70:11 – Judy’s most proud achievement
• 73:10 – Life lessons on purpose over profit

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Overall Tone & Closing Thoughts

This episode blends humor, honesty, and actionable wisdom, offering an inside look at what it means to build a lasting relationship—romantic, familial, and business—with authenticity and growth. Brat and Judy’s chemistry, candid storytelling, and practical advice will resonate with anyone exploring love, resilience, or partnership in any form.

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“It’s never too late for love. Don’t project old hurt on someone new. Give yourself time to heal.”
— Judy Dupart [39:55]

Transcript

[Judy]

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[Brat]

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[Amanda Knox]

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[Brat]

Evidence has been made to fit. The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapsed.

[Amanda Knox]

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[Jill Winterstein]

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[Judy]

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[Amanda Knox]

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[Jill Winterstein]

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[Amanda Knox]

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[Jill Winterstein]

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[Amanda Knox]

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[Jill Winterstein]

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[Clayton Eckerd]

I'm Clayton Eckerd. In 2022, I was the lead of ABC's the Bachelor.

[Amanda Knox]

But here's the Bachelor. Fans hated him.

[Clayton Eckerd]

If I could press a button and rewind it all, I would.

[Amanda Knox]

That's when his life took a disturbing turn. A one night stand would end in a courtroom.

[Judy]

The media is here.

[Brat]

This case has gone viral.

[Clayton Eckerd]

The dating contract.

[Jill Winterstein]

Agree to date me, but I'm also suing you.

[Clayton Eckerd]

This is unlike anything I've ever seen before.

[Amanda Knox]

I'm Stephanie Young. Listen to Love trapped on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Judy]

Surviving. Losing everything makes you feel like anything is possible and you don't be scared to take a risk.

[Angie Martinez]

Oh, that's good because a lot of people's fear is what stops them from trying their dreams, pushing past their boundaries.

[Judy]

Right. Like you have. It's almost like you have to have a traumatic experience of losing everything to know that it's not that scary.

[Angie Martinez]

Thanks for watching guys. Today's episode is brought to you by Boosie Mobile. One is a hip hop legend who has broken barriers as the first solo female rapper to go platinum and built a lasting career across music, tv, radio. The other is a beauty mogul who has turned her skill from viral marketing into a multi million dollar community driven brand, Kaleidoscope hair products. Now they are wives and they are sharing their journey in their new book, the way love goes. They are quoted as the unicorn in their relationship is not that they are black lesbians but that they have found true love. Please welcome to brat and Judy to

[Brat]

what up, what up, what up? I know, it's crazy.

[Angie Martinez]

First of all, hi, guys.

[Brat]

Hi.

[Judy]

Hi.

[Angie Martinez]

When was the last time I saw you?

[Brat]

Oh, my God. I don't know.

[Angie Martinez]

So I. So me and your wife, we did a little song back in the day. Got our. A little Grammy nomination.

[Brat]

I still. That little gold thing. I still have that. I don't know where that.

[Judy]

Come on, Brad.

[Brat]

Yeah.

[Angie Martinez]

Do you have a few of those? You probably do.

[Brat]

I don't know. They're like little coins or something.

[Angie Martinez]

You were a baby, though. You were like a little firecracker running around the set.

[Brat]

You was too.

[Angie Martinez]

Yeah, I guess I was.

[Brat]

Then we did the whole wardrobe thing. We had the brown and we had different. It was like, oh, lord. We had different stylists and wardrobe. It was crazy.

[Angie Martinez]

It was good times.

[Brat]

It was good times.

[Angie Martinez]

We performed on the MTV awards.

[Brat]

That was fun.

[Angie Martinez]

That was challenging for me.

[Brat]

That was challenging for all of us. I was in a Trojan outfit.

[Angie Martinez]

That's right. Yeah.

[Brat]

It was challenging.

[Angie Martinez]

It was challenging for you. See, you never gave that vibe you always get. You always gave the vibe that you had. Like you had that.

[Brat]

That's how you got to be.

[Angie Martinez]

Yeah. You know, I was like, oh, this is scary.

[Brat]

But you did your thing.

[Angie Martinez]

But it was history. I was so shout out to Kim and Missy and everybody. Absolutely beautiful moments. Anyway, a lot has changed. Life has evolved.

[Brat]

You still rhyme?

[Angie Martinez]

No. Should I?

[Brat]

Sometimes.

[Angie Martinez]

My son always says that. He says that jokingly. And then I'm like, nobody wants.

[Brat]

It's ladies night. What? Butter pe honey Got the sugar, got the spice wrot that was tight. Yo.

[Angie Martinez]

I just made this motherfucker up last night.

[Brat]

I'm the rookie on the south side team.

[Judy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brat]

We rock with you.

[Angie Martinez]

I love that you remember all the words to that. Thank you, man.

[Brat]

I'm working this alone.

[Angie Martinez]

What's up with you rhyming now in 2026, man? Where we at with music?

[Brat]

I do a lot of music all the time, but, you know, shit is different. Yeah, the game is different. So I just feel like they don't appreciate it the way they used to. And I'm not Gonna put out 10 songs a week. You know what I'm saying? I want to put out one or two, let them marinate, Let love them. It's just so different now.

[Angie Martinez]

It's so fast.

[Judy]

I'm trying.

[Brat]

It's so fast. Yeah, that it's like depreciated almost.

[Angie Martinez]

Do you still appreciate the art of it? Like, do you still, like.

[Brat]

Are you.

[Angie Martinez]

Do you still, like. Are you, like, rhyming in your head?

[Brat]

No, I'm rhyming in my head, but when I get in the studio, I write, produce.

[Judy]

Yeah. Like, she got music, R and B.

[Brat]

I'm a writer, all kinds of.

[Judy]

I don't know. She got like 30, 40. It's good.

[Angie Martinez]

Yeah.

[Brat]

Yeah.

[Judy]

And it's as. As to imagine how long ago they did it. It's still good.

[Angie Martinez]

Wow.

[Judy]

She don't. She don't put it out.

[Angie Martinez]

It's keeping them in the vault.

[Brat]

I mean. Yeah, when the time is right, I might license them or something, but yeah, just to put them out. I just feel like they gonna go away too quick, and I don't like that.

[Angie Martinez]

How exciting that. That this book is coming out. That. I mean, how does this press run been? I mean, you're sharing a lot of your.

[Judy]

Yeah, she didn't like that.

[Brat]

Yeah.

[Judy]

No, absolutely not.

[Brat]

You know, I'm. To my selfish, you know.

[Angie Martinez]

Yeah.

[Judy]

Yeah. And I was in the closet for

[Brat]

a long time being very private. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, it took my wife to bring some vulnerability out for me to actually show it because, you know.

[Angie Martinez]

So before you met Judy, you had never considered coming out publicly?

[Brat]

No.

[Angie Martinez]

Is that because you just are a private person or because of.

[Brat]

Because that shit wasn't cool back in.

[Angie Martinez]

I was thinking about that before. Like, people think now it's like, what's the big deal? Why wouldn't you even. Dana Latifah the other day posted about her wife. Yes. And it was so.

[Brat]

It made me feel so good and so happy for her that she gets to talk about who she loves now. Cause it just wasn't. It was against the rules. Back in the day, for a female artist, you couldn't do that. You couldn't tell that. Remember, Ellen lost everything back in the day.

[Judy]

Wow.

[Angie Martinez]

That's right.

[Brat]

You know, so you, you could either choose that or your career.

[Angie Martinez]

Was that a fear? Did you have that as a fear,

[Brat]

like in the beginning? I never cared because that was just a rule. Yeah, that was just what you did not do, you know, But I never really met anybody that made me want to be out loud. You know, I thought I was in love a few times, but apparently not until I met this one. Cause then I felt some feelings and some things that I had never felt before. And it made me want to be like, fuck everybody. Yeah, I'm telling everybody.

[Angie Martinez]

You're going to see this love.

[Brat]

You're going to see this love. You going to see how happy I am.

[Angie Martinez]

Yeah, but I just, you know, when you hear stories of people like not living in their truth, there's a weight to that.

[Brat]

And I was a young youngster, you know what I'm saying?

[Angie Martinez]

It really wasn't. It wasn't an amazingly kept secret either, by the way. I don't know if, you know, we kind of suspected.

[Brat]

Right, right. I think anybody that. Anybody that dressed like me and rapped like me, everybody thought all of us were.

[Angie Martinez]

Yeah.

[Brat]

And some of us were not.

[Angie Martinez]

Some of those.

[Brat]

Yeah, they thought I was.

[Angie Martinez]

When I was younger. I was a bag and everything.

[Brat]

And I. But she wasn't. She was just a straight up tomboy, you know, so, you know. Yeah, some people knew, some people didn't. But I never said anything.

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[Judy]

No, she actually led that. I was, I was fine with her being in a club for the first time.

[Brat]

I Didn't give a. For the first time, I didn't care. It was at essence. 2019. 2018 or 2019.

[Judy]

One of them.

[Brat]

It was 2018 or 2019, and it was in New Orleans. And I got to see her. Her and her crew came to my hotel. So we met up, and then we went to Morrow's, and then we had rehearsal at the Essence Fest. And I just wanted to walk through the crowd holding her hand. I wanted her to sit that ass in my lap.

[Angie Martinez]

You were in love.

[Brat]

I was in love. And I wanted everybody to know I didn't give a damn who my team was. Like, what is going on? When I grabbed her hand, my team grabbed her hand. Each other's hands, and we all grabbed each other's hands like we was walking through the crowd like they did not know what to do. When I sat her on my lap in the dressing room, they immediately shut the door because they're so used to, like, me not being like that for years, never being like that. So. Yeah.

[Angie Martinez]

So protecting that and protecting you.

[Brat]

But this one right here made me just want to be like. I want people to see how happy I am and who's making me feel this way.

[Judy]

Yeah.

[Angie Martinez]

What was the reaction, besides from your team freaking out a little bit?

[Brat]

Ain't nobody say shit to me.

[Angie Martinez]

No.

[Brat]

Nobody's gonna say shit to me. Yeah.

[Angie Martinez]

Then how did you feel?

[Brat]

I felt good. I was waiting on people to say something to me so I could be like, mm, yep.

[Angie Martinez]

Cause you were ready.

[Brat]

I was ready.

[Angie Martinez]

Yeah. You were ready.

[Brat]

I was ready. Yeah.

[Angie Martinez]

But that must be so freeing.

[Brat]

It is. Nobody had ever made me feel ready. And I'm not knocking any of the previous things or whatever, but relationships, but apparently they just weren't what they should have been.

[Angie Martinez]

So what is the difference? When you find real love, when you find that type of love that makes you want to change your whole life,

[Brat]

girl, your body tells you, Your spirit tells you. Your butterflies tell you. Your stomach tells you. You might have to shit or throw up.

[Angie Martinez]

So romantic.

[Clayton Eckerd]

Yeah.

[Brat]

It's just so many different things. Like, you just feel it. You just feel a tingling and a burning. And, like, you're so. It's crazy. Cause I was like, oh, my God. I never felt this before. This is something totally different. And I just wanted.

[Judy]

I just.

[Angie Martinez]

Child, but had you dated a lot?

[Brat]

Yeah. Yeah, Quite a bit.

[Angie Martinez]

Enough to know that this was different.

[Brat]

Yeah.

[Judy]

Yeah. She was still dating him when we first got together.

[Angie Martinez]

Uh.

[Brat]

Oh.

[Angie Martinez]

How'd that go for you?

[Brat]

Hmm.

[Angie Martinez]

I don't wanna bring up A sore spot.

[Brat]

It's okay.

[Angie Martinez]

It's in the book.

[Judy]

Yeah, we talked about it in the book. She just wasn't so fun forthcoming and honest at the beginning.

[Angie Martinez]

Cuz you probably used to living that way for a while, right?

[Brat]

Yeah, all my life.

[Judy]

Well, she. She was cleaning up her mess. I left her alone though.

[Angie Martinez]

What do you mean?

[Brat]

Yeah, she did. We were talking for a while and I guess, you know, she said I ghosted her a few times and stuff. So I said she.

[Judy]

Well, she had me fly to Atlanta. Didn't answer the phone. I didn't. I was living in New Orleans. She did it to me three times now. Three out of. She wants to always say. Well, it was actually eight in total that we were supposed to meet.

[Brat]

It was only up a few times. We did hang out.

[Angie Martinez]

So what was that about? Just. You hadn't felt it yet? You didn't realize she was the one.

[Brat]

Just bad behavior?

[Judy]

No, she. She was taking her sweet old time and getting rid of her baggage. And I think it's because she is such a caring person. She was trying to, you know, do it carefully and not hurt anybody too much and making sure everybody's situation was straight if she was financially taking care of them and. Oh, wow, the whole thing.

[Angie Martinez]

Oh, wow. Who do we just have here? Bumby. We had Bumby on the show and somebody called in and asked him about, like, if he should be ready to be married. And Bumby was like, the first thing you need to do is delete anybody's number in your phone that your wife does not want in your phone. Like you should be. Your phone should be clear. You got to clear out your life before you make that step.

[Brat]

Fact.

[Angie Martinez]

It takes people time. It's not an easy transition.

[Brat]

It's not.

[Angie Martinez]

Did you almost lose her?

[Brat]

I did lose her.

[Angie Martinez]

Oh, you did?

[Brat]

I did lose it. Yeah. We were. We were kind of like dating and talking and stuff. And then I looked up and she was hugged up with some nigga on Instagram and all you saw was the back of his head and her fucking fingernails, like, all hugged up behind him and stuff. And her grinning from ear to ear. I'm like, damn, why? You could have told me you was moving on.

[Judy]

I could have told her I was moving on, but she wasn't. She would have me come to Atlanta and not answer the phone. And so she also did this thing that she said has nothing to do with anybody she was dealing with. I could get her between certain hours and then after certain hours, it was either slow or no response.

[Angie Martinez]

So tricky. Tricky, tricky, tricky, red flags, whatever, right?

[Judy]

You know, usually that means you live with somebody or you have a situation, or, you know, you just not available. Cause you have you so committed to other things, so.

[Angie Martinez]

But were you into her already? Like, was that breaking your heart? Or were you kind of like, this ain't, this isn't. This isn't, this ain't it?

[Judy]

I was into her, but I also was trying to. Because she also is. It's like you had to peel some of her layers back. Well, first of all, I told her first. I was like, I'm interested in you. So I approached her.

[Angie Martinez]

Right, you pursued her.

[Brat]

Right.

[Judy]

And with that being the case, I didn't know if she didn't know how to communicate that she had other stuff going on. If she didn't know how to communicate that, hey, she was into me, but not in that way. So I just. I continued to try to date her, but then once I got that kind of response, I was like, yeah, I don't. I. She got something going on.

[Brat]

She.

[Judy]

I don't know what she got going on. Especially since she was like, you say she was in the closet. People didn't know her business, so.

[Brat]

And I didn't tell her. I didn't tell her because I didn't want to lose her. Because, you know, you tell some people, they'd be like, oh, hell no. I'm not dealing with that shit. You know what I'm saying? So I didn't tell her. And that's the thing in the book. Like, I should have told her. You know what I'm saying? So everybody that's in a relationship, or if you're in the beginning of your relationship, come clean with all your baggage. Tell them everything that they need to know and give them an option, you know, whether they want to stick around or not. But that's hard to do when you don't want to lose the person.

[Judy]

Yeah.

[Brat]

When you know, you've never felt this way before and you don't want to lose them, you don't want to risk it. So I ain't tell her shit. I was just trying to clean it up. Like, okay, look, I can't talk to you no more.

[Judy]

Like, it's over.

[Brat]

Like, you know, but it's not an easy thing to do.

[Angie Martinez]

It took some time. You broke a few hearts.

[Brat]

Well, I got mine messed with a little bit too. Like, you know.

[Angie Martinez]

Yeah, heard you. Yeah, but you stuck it out. So what did you see? What was the thing? What did. What was the thing?

[Judy]

That.

[Angie Martinez]

Attracted to you, to her? In the first place.

[Judy]

So she is who she is, you know, so prior to that, she. So we were working together. I hired her to do like some Kaleidoscope promo for me. And she started following me on social media. She would leave like little nice comments. She would be on my live. And just. She just was nice. And I was like, is she being nice or is she being nice?

[Brat]

You know what I'm saying?

[Judy]

First of all, so. And then we used to DM every now and then. So she just was nice. And then I was. When I got. When she said we were. I was out here in Atlanta. I was doing this entrepreneurship tour, and she popped up there to surprise me. And she said, you know, she was like, let's link later. And I was like, okay.

[Brat]

But no, no, no, no. First of all, she was doing this Judy Dropping Knowledge tour. So I walk in this convention center and it's like five, 10,000 people. And I'm like, okay, what the fuck did this lady do? What is going on here?

[Angie Martinez]

You just thought she was like a cute girl who.

[Brat]

No, they hired me to do some stuff at Kaleidoscope. So I just wanted to meet the owner and maybe since I was in town and she was in town, we could do some more videos or something. So I stopped by to see her. Chana had me waiting in the front a good 20, 30 minutes. I' okay, I'm the brat. And I was sitting here waiting on this lady, but she was making her way through the crowd signing pictures and autographs. So she finally got to me and it was so busy in the front. I was like, you know what, I'm going to the studio. Let's just link later. You know, I'm thinking, you know, she gonna bring the camera crew and everybody and all these people. She was like, cool, okay, let's link later. So she gets to so. So def to the studio and she's by herself and she get out with this long, draping ponytail, jewelry, nails, cute ass outfit out of the car. And I'm like, where'? Social Security of somebody? And so she said, I came by myself. I was like, okay, now she had her little. Her little gun with her, so. But still, like in a studio.

[Angie Martinez]

You like that, didn't you?

[Brat]

I did. It was cute. It could be a thousand in the studio. You know what I'm saying? It could be. It could have been a building that had 10 studios in it. You don't know where you come into in Atlanta. You don't just pull up by yourself. So anyway, she got in there and we just talking and you know, I'm not. Not interested in her like that. I don't even know she like women. So we talking and we talking about the things we interested in. We talking about hair and making hair grow back in the. In New Orleans and Chicago and Atlanta, and we just having good conversation. And she goes, I'm interested in you. And I was like, excuse me?

[Angie Martinez]

What you thought you turned on soft.

[Brat]

It fucked me up really bad. Like, I was like, okay, get your cool together. My stomach started hurting, like all kinds of things that I had never felt before. And I'm like, I'm thinking, how you interested in me? You like women like you like me. It just threw me for a loop. I tried to, you know, drink some Hennessy. Put the Hennessy cup to my mouth. It poured all over my shirt. Like I was really thrown off. Like my equilibrium or something was really fucked up. So I said, okay, you know, I'm a roll a blunt. I'm gonna be cool about this shit. I roll a blunt. The cherry, I must didn't roll it tight enough. The cherry fell off the blunt and burnt the couch.

[Judy]

Oh my God.

[Brat]

I said, you know what? Okay, this is not gonna work. I was just fucked up after that. Like, nervous, shy. I could barely talk. Like, oh, I didn't know what to do with myself. So from there we started kind of like dating. And then that's when she said. That's when she said I ghosted her and.

[Angie Martinez]

Because you were trying to figure out your life.

[Brat]

Trying to figure out my life. But I know I didn't tell her. Yeah, and I probably should have told her, but I didn't want to lose

[Angie Martinez]

her and so are you like strict on your rules? Like when you see red flags or things like that or.

[Judy]

I'm not gonna say I. Cuz I didn't care that she was cleaning stuff up. It was the mixed signals. Cuz when we, like after we had our break and we decided to start again, she came clean and told me what it was. And I gave her time. I literally told her, get all that together. I'm not gonna give you a year, but get all that together while we're doing what we're doing. Because I didn't stop dating her while she was cleaning it up. I gave her time to clean it up.

[Angie Martinez]

It's just so much short.

[Judy]

Yeah, say it.

[Brat]

After she did it, I was like,

[Judy]

oh, I love that. Right? We were in a car, mushed her all in her head.

[Brat]

She mushed me in my house.

[Judy]

I don't give a fuck what you got going on. Get your shit together, you know, and. And we can make this work. And you believe for forever.

[Angie Martinez]

And you believed she would.

[Judy]

Yeah.

[Brat]

Yeah, because she did. Yeah, she did. I didn't want to lose her again.

[Angie Martinez]

Yeah.

[Brat]

Because I had stalked her when she got with that. And I saw it on Instagram, I was like, oh, hell no. So I'm texting her. She blocked me. I'm texting her. She blocked me. Because the had apparently seen our exchanges and was like, oh, hell no. He didn't want her talking to me. And it's like she was with this forever. Like, it seemed like it had to be like six months to a year, something like that. So, you know, I'm checking the page every day. I knew I had never felt like she made me feel. And I ain't want to lose that. You know what I'm saying? I'm checking the page every day, and then it's like, okay, every week. Because every day made me feel like it ain't gonna never damn happen. So I'm checking and I'm scrolling. Finally, after, like, damn, it had to be seven, eight months. I don't know. The niggas pictures wasn't on the page no more. And I was like, oh, my God, there's my shot. I'm finna get in the DMs. Because she had blocked my number. So I'm like, hey, how you doing? Like, you okay? What's going on? How you been? Like, you know, she was going through something in that situation because that wasn't. Anyway, so it was meant for us to happen. Not saying it was meant for him to do what he did, but. But something in our cards made us come back together.

[Angie Martinez]

I mean, clearly it was meant to be together. You were meant to be together, and now you've been married how long?

[Judy]

It's gonna be four years on the 22nd.

[Angie Martinez]

How exciting that is.

[Judy]

I know. Yeah, it seemed. It don't even seem like that long.

[Brat]

I know.

[Angie Martinez]

How has marriage changed you guys?

[Brat]

You know what? I have to curb my temper. I've had to learn how to be more patient. I've learned a lot of things. Like, I got a lot to lose. Now I have a whole family, a son. You know, I learned how to listen more opposed to just responding to defend myself.

[Angie Martinez]

This sounds like therapy has been involved.

[Brat]

We do.

[Judy]

We.

[Brat]

We had therapy a little bit. We don't do it now, but we did a couple times. We did. When we was on the show. We did the show and we did one or two times after. Yeah.

[Judy]

Yeah.

[Brat]

We still have a lot of things we working on. We are a work in progress, you know what I'm saying? We're a couple like any other couple. Any relationship ain't always sweet, you know what I'm saying? But the people that read the book, the influencers and everybody, they love it. They can't put it down. They pick it up and they don't stop till it's done.

[Angie Martinez]

What is the best lesson, like, about marriage that you've learned so far?

[Brat]

The best lesson, one of our golden rules in the book is communication. And I think you have to communicate with your partner. Cause if you disagree about something, shit, you gotta find a happy medium, you know? Even if you don't agree all the way, you gotta find half that makes you happy and half that makes her happy. And meet in the middle, like.

[Angie Martinez]

And you gotta give an example.

[Brat]

You gotta know, shut the fuck up sometimes, too. You know what I'm saying? Like. And I used to be good for keeping it going. Like, I ain't shutting the fuck up. You shut the fuck up. But now I just shut the fuck up. She can have it. You know what I'm saying?

[Judy]

That's two ways. Same way she can have it. Yeah, I think we agree to. You choose your battles.

[Angie Martinez]

I feel like when you fight, y' all probably fight.

[Brat]

No, no. You know what? What happens is I'm so mature now. Oh, my God.

[Judy]

Like, when.

[Brat]

When we fuss or have a disagreement, her, she'll raise her voice. And when she start raising her voice, I'll be like, bring it down. Because if both of us start yelling, it's not gonna be good. So she will bring it down a notch. But then she'll take it the fuck back up. And then when she takes it back up, she'll walk away.

[Judy]

Right? But I walk away to de. Escalate. I'm not walking away to walk out of the conversation. You know, I'll be like, I can't do this right now. Like, it's not that I don't want to entertain you, it's just this is about to. This is about to be a screaming war, or we're gonna say something we don't mean, or this isn't.

[Brat]

Which we haven't done yet, by the way, and we won't.

[Judy]

Right. I'm not in a place to be able to rationally talk to you about what we're talking about right now. So my mature action is to leave. But she hates that.

[Brat]

I think it's disrespectful And I think it's rude because if we in a heated conversation and we sitting in the bed disagreeing about something and you get up and walk out and you just left me sitting in the bed and I'm just like, where the fuck is you going? And then she'll go do. She compartmentalizes well. So she'll go put this in a little compartment and go deal with some kaleidoscope stuff and be the CEO of the company.

[Angie Martinez]

And you sitting in the bed and

[Brat]

I'm sitting in the bed trying to figure out when we gonna resolve this situation, you know? And then I don't like going to bed mad.

[Clayton Eckerd]

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[Jill Winterstein]

Hi, this is Jo Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast where we talk about astrology, natal charts and how to step into your most vibrant life life. And I just sat down with a

[Angie Martinez]

mini driver, the Irish traveler said when I was 16.

[Brat]

You're gonna have a terrible time with men.

[Jill Winterstein]

Actor, storyteller and unapologetic Aquarian visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom loving and different perspectives and I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius like are misunderstood a sun and Venus in Aquarius in her seventh house Spark her uncle unconventional approach to partnership.

[Brat]

He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms on different houses, in different places, but just an embracing of the isness of it all.

[Jill Winterstein]

If you're navigating your own transformation or just want a chart side view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity and real life, this episode is a must. Listen. Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcast.

[Hans Charles Armenalek Lumumba]

Welcome to the A Building. I'm Hans Charles Armenalek Lumumba. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr have both been assassinated, and black America was at a breaking point. Rioting and protest broke out on an unprecedented scale in Atlanta, Georgia. At Martin's alma mater, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in black history, Martin Luther King Sr. And a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution, I mean, people were dying. 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone.

[Angie Martinez]

The FBI had a role in the

[Clayton Eckerd]

murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago.

[Hans Charles Armenalek Lumumba]

This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should, and it will blow your mind. Listen to the A building on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Clayton Eckerd]

China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside. This is Special Agent Regal.

[Judy]

Special Agent Bradley Hall.

[Clayton Eckerd]

This MSS officer has no idea the US Government is onto him. But the FBI has his chats, texts,

[Brat]

emails, even his personal diary. Hear how they got it on the 6th Bureau?

[Clayton Eckerd]

I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer, no doubt, no question of his life, and that's a unicorn.

[Hans Charles Armenalek Lumumba]

No one had ever seen anything like that. It was unbelievable.

[Clayton Eckerd]

This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets.

[Judy]

Listen to the 6th Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Brat]

And she could just get some cereal or cook some dinner and go to bed and sleep well, and we be sleeping with our back towards each other. I hate that. Like, I don't like that I'd be wanting some skin and I don't be wanting to scoot my booty over on it, you know, and get ch. I don't like when we disagree and we don't resolve it, but sometimes we don't resolve it and we need to do better at that.

[Judy]

I'm a work in progress. And I told her I will work on it. I just tried not to, you know, I try not to be angry if we trying to resolve something and we really trying to come to a common ground. I know I can't. I can't talk to you in that state. Yeah. Cause, bitch, that's not I'm not. I'm not thinking rationally right now. Because right now I won't cut you below your knees. Like, you know, when Cardi B. Say she go to hell, you go low, she go to hell. I go lower than that. And I never want to be like,

[Angie Martinez]

to the depths of hell.

[Judy]

Absolutely.

[Brat]

And she's never done that to me. She's never said anything beyond that.

[Angie Martinez]

So give her a break when she needs a minute to cool off.

[Brat]

Yeah, but then bring your ass back and we need to talk about it. Don't just forget about it all fucking day. Okay. At least let's pillow talk it out before we go to sleep and come to some type of resolve. Don't just take your ass to sleep,

[Angie Martinez]

she said that's fair.

[Brat]

Okay. Okay.

[Angie Martinez]

But look at you guys working through things in real time.

[Brat]

Yeah.

[Angie Martinez]

In real life, actually, I have some scenarios, relationship scenarios. Let's go through some of these. I thought they were pretty good, because people can learn. Listen, everybody's trying to figure out how to do a relationship. Yeah, everybody.

[Brat]

Nobody's perfect, and it's not easy. Nobody takes work.

[Angie Martinez]

Nobody's perfect.

[Judy]

Right.

[Angie Martinez]

I have to find my cards. Here we go.

[Judy]

I.

[Angie Martinez]

In real life, couple scenarios, one partner needs space after a long day, while the other feels disconnected without immediate quality time. Who should adjust in that moment? The person who needs space or the person who feels disconnected?

[Brat]

I think the person who feels disconnected because if a person needs space, they need space for a reason. Like, if she needs space, it may be to clear her mind because she's got a lot of shit on her plate being the CEO of a company. So then I feel like I need to just give her some space and I can deal with my situation before we go to bed or when we lay down or, you know, whenever we can talk about it.

[Angie Martinez]

Oh, look at you, compromising. Look at how cute y' all are.

[Brat]

Whatever.

[Angie Martinez]

Okay, in real life, couple scenarios. In real life, a couple notices, intimacy has slowed down, but neither person wants to make the first move because they don't want to feel rejected. Who should break the silence?

[Judy]

Both of them.

[Brat]

Both either.

[Judy]

Right. Because then even if you're not saying nothing, you can do little actions.

[Brat]

Yeah. You can touch that ass or stick your tongue in the mouth or ear or some shit. Yeah, okay.

[Angie Martinez]

Whatever works.

[Brat]

You just make. Yeah, make the move. I know that's not a hard thing. Make the move.

[Judy]

Or maybe. Maybe in some people's relationship, you know, like example, if a woman just had a child or something, and she's just not for it then she might not just be for it.

[Angie Martinez]

Like emotionally, she might not happy. Right.

[Brat]

Hormonally explain that to her partner and they kind of understand.

[Judy]

Yeah.

[Brat]

And not be mad. You gotta have a little patience. Especially if somebody just had a baby or something that serious.

[Angie Martinez]

Yeah.

[Judy]

Yeah.

[Angie Martinez]

One partner becomes more hands on with parenting and the other one takes more financial responsibility. And they both feel stretched. How do you decide what fairness looks like in that season? Like, how do you distribute? Like, parenting or like.

[Judy]

That's a good question. I think we kind of like that right now. She is.

[Brat]

I be mommy in my ass off.

[Angie Martinez]

Really?

[Judy]

Yeah. And I work from home a lot.

[Brat]

Having to put out all these fires and stuff.

[Judy]

Right. I'll actually be at home, but I'll be working. So I'm not going to get a break.

[Brat]

She'll come and play with us. Oh, yeah.

[Judy]

And Stanky man don't like me working. So I will be in the middle of a zoom computer. He don't care who I'm on a call with, who I'm on the zoom with. He is going to. He gonna close my computer or take my ph.

[Brat]

Yeah. She takes mine too, and sits it down like, yep.

[Judy]

Yeah. But she is more mommy.

[Angie Martinez]

The active parent now.

[Judy]

We both are.

[Angie Martinez]

Yeah.

[Judy]

But she gets.

[Angie Martinez]

But you feel no way about that. Does that ever feel. No. You okay with that role?

[Judy]

No, I'm actually. Cause I'm present. It's not like I'm missing. I'm present. And I might even be in the room. Like we all in a room and we're all doing the thing. But I might have my computer out.

[Brat]

Right.

[Judy]

Doing something. And then. Or I'll. If it's something that I feel like, oh, this is important. Hey, guys, I'm gonna have to pick this up in a few. Let me call you back.

[Brat]

Right.

[Angie Martinez]

I want to get back to these because some of these are that good. But going back to that, because I know you talk about that in the book too. That moment of you at you deciding that you were going to carry the baby and you were like, why me?

[Brat]

Right. Right.

[Angie Martinez]

Why did you think her.

[Judy]

I didn't mind. And I told her that I didn't care if I did it or not. But I know the person that she is. If you know her well enough, you know she's the most nurturing person you'll meet in your whole entire life.

[Brat]

Fuck it up a swag. Fucking up a swag.

[Judy]

So I knew she was gonna enjoy the experience to the fullest.

[Angie Martinez]

Cause you had already had done it.

[Judy]

Yeah. Yep. Had done it three times.

[Angie Martinez]

So it was for the experience you wanted her to have.

[Judy]

Absolutely. Absolutely. And she. And she did exactly what I wish for. She enjoyed everything. It was a good pregnancy.

[Brat]

I didn't have a bad pregnancy at.

[Clayton Eckerd]

No.

[Judy]

She didn't have morning sickness no more. None of that.

[Brat]

No pains. My ankle swelled up a little bit, but I thought that was cute. And my toes kind of was like Vienna sausages, but. Right.

[Judy]

She had a scheduled C section, so she never experienced labor pain.

[Brat]

Stomach just got big and tight. But other than that, you know, learning all the things that pregnant women go through. And I had so many questions. Like I told my wife one time, my titties are not getting no milk. I'm not drinking enough milk. We gotta get some more milk in the house. I gotta keep drinking milk. Cause I thought from drinking milk your titties get milk. I know, it was stupid. Like if you don't know if you've never been a parent, you don't understand.

[Judy]

Right. She liked it. From when we first saw the little seed to when you got to see it as a certain size. And when the baby first kicked all of the things, she thoroughly enjoyed it.

[Brat]

I did.

[Judy]

And she wouldn't change. And that is. That's our child together. But that's her son.

[Brat]

Child I know been carrying him. You know, my eggs was fried. We used her eggs and the donor and you know, being able to carry him, it was just.

[Angie Martinez]

Were your eggs fried?

[Brat]

Cuz I'm old.

[Judy]

Yeah. There we go.

[Angie Martinez]

You still like a baby to me.

[Brat]

No.

[Angie Martinez]

You know, in your 40s, how old

[Brat]

were you when you. When you were 49.

[Angie Martinez]

Oh, you were 49 when you carry. Got it.

[Judy]

Yeah.

[Angie Martinez]

So you had eggs.

[Brat]

Yeah.

[Angie Martinez]

You were like, let me get one of those.

[Brat]

Yeah, let's mix them things up and cook this thing.

[Angie Martinez]

And then people had so many opinions about the complexion of your baby or the color of your baby girl.

[Brat]

I don't give a. About what the. She is the one that gave a. I don't give a. About what them people say. We had to make decision.

[Judy]

So it wasn't that I gave a. I think the missing thing in the storyline was what actually happened. What actually happened. You have to do genetic testing. And when you do genetic testing, it shows all of the things that I am a carrier of. And so when it showed all of the things that I'm a carrier of and we put that in the sperm banks thing, the registrants for black people went to zero.

[Brat]

It did. Wow.

[Judy]

People don't realize that black men don't donate as much sperm as the rest of the races. So our chances of getting a black donor heightened our chances of our baby having an illness. So it was like there was no choice. But they picked up the sound bite of her fucking ass. What she said, I don't want her to repeat it, but she just was on our show. We were scrolling and you know, for the show you do stuff. So we were scrolling. This was before we did the genetic input. She was scrolling and she was giving her opinion about the looks of different people. And they caught the clip of one specific person that she talked about and they made it as if she was saying that about everybody. And she wasn't. So it's not. Again, it's not that I care what people say. I just wanted the truth out. I wanted the facts out. I didn't want it to just be. We chose this way because we didn't want that way. No, we chose that way because we had to.

[Brat]

We didn't have an option.

[Judy]

Yeah, right. I literally went on social media and I uploaded my genetic testing results and I said, y' all can take that. Go plug it in. Go on any sperm bank right now and plug all that in and tell me what you find.

[Brat]

See, that's too much. Yeah.

[Angie Martinez]

You know, with that people. Yeah, right.

[Brat]

They don't know shit about us. They don't know shit about. About them people. Okay. It's about what makes us happy, me and my family. And what?

[Judy]

They was pushing death on our baby, though. Absolutely.

[Brat]

Them people.

[Judy]

Right? So when that was, I was like, nah. And my wife is pregnant and my. And my wife was very addictive.

[Brat]

Felon.

[Judy]

Right. That too. She's a shooter. Y' all doing too much. Y' all doing the Tyler too much right now.

[Angie Martinez]

Oh, it didn't take none of your joy away.

[Brat]

Right? It didn't. It didn't take none of my joy away. Good. Cuz I don't look at it. I don't look at that. I don't read.

[Angie Martinez]

What will you teach your baby about. About race, about that. Because they're gonna have to come. He's gonna have to come into a world where that exists. Like.

[Brat]

Yeah, we just gonna tell him. We gonna just keep it 100 with him and tell him and explain everything to him that he needs to know, you know what I'm saying? So that he understands everything. And, and, and when people come to him anyways, sideways or they things go left, he'll be pre of those questions. He's going to know who he is, where he's from.

[Judy]

Why he's from New Orleans, by the way.

[Brat]

He's from Chicago.

[Judy]

He's from New Orleans.

[Brat]

He's from Chicago.

[Judy]

I'm not doing this.

[Brat]

He was born in Atlanta, but he's from New Orleans, so he's from.

[Angie Martinez]

You guys should figure this out.

[Brat]

Yeah, he's from Chicago.

[Judy]

He's from New Orleans.

[Brat]

Yeah, he's gonna love playing in the snow and stuff. You know, Chicago.

[Judy]

And he's gonna eat crawfish.

[Brat]

No, the. He not.

[Judy]

Yes, he is.

[Brat]

I don't want him eating them little animals.

[Judy]

He's gonna love crawfish.

[Brat]

It's too much work. You have to do the ass of an animal.

[Judy]

It'

[Brat]

you gotta take the guts out the pork and all this stuff and then go for the littlest piece of fucking meat that don't even satisfy your appetite. All right. At least get a crab leg.

[Angie Martinez]

What is your hope for this book? Like, what do you think? Want people to get from it? Learn from it. Learn from your relationship and your story

[Judy]

that it's never too late for love. It's okay to give second chance. It comes to you when you're not looking.

[Brat]

Facts.

[Judy]

If you've been hurt, don't project that on somebody else. Like, give yourself time to heal.

[Brat]

Yeah. Cause she don't let me talk to my exes. We don't. It's not. Yeah.

[Judy]

Where did that come from?

[Brat]

Because you were saying, you know, past relationships.

[Judy]

She just forgetting on purpose.

[Brat]

I just. I just said that because, you know, a past relationship she had something happened with her ex. Talking to their exes. So we don't do the. She don't like, you know.

[Judy]

But that's the thing, though, you know, People usually don't talk to their exes. Like, that's the thing.

[Brat]

Is it?

[Judy]

You talk to your ex in a

[Brat]

relationship, not in a flirting way.

[Judy]

But I feel like you don't leave the door open for the. Just in case.

[Brat]

Or you don't let me still.

[Judy]

Right.

[Brat]

But. Yeah, every now and then.

[Judy]

Correct. But if. Right. For those reasons. But if you don't have any reason to keep in touch with them, you don't have to keep in touch with them.

[Angie Martinez]

Not like, hey, how you doing? Checking on you. You don't want to hear how you.

[Judy]

I mean. Cause that can eventually turn into a hey, boo, what's up? Or, you know, damn, I'm sad, I don't get a chance at it, or whatever.

[Brat]

Because you just don't never do that.

[Judy]

No. Not saying.

[Brat]

You. Okay.

[Judy]

If you leave an open line of communication with somebody Else. And they're having a hard time and they think of you first. I feel like you just don't leave that door open for that even to be a thing. Like, don't even leave the door open for the disrespectful communication even try to have happen.

[Angie Martinez]

And please don't, because I would.

[Brat]

I wouldn't play with her.

[Judy]

Listen, this lady text. Text her ex about her pretty feet.

[Angie Martinez]

Is this recently?

[Judy]

This was.

[Brat]

No.

[Judy]

Oh, this was in the beginning. This was in the beginning. And it was when we first started. When we first started dating. It was some of the cleanup that she had going on. And so this is supposed to be clean up, up. And the lady sending her a picture of her feet, and she said, oh, oh, those are pretty. What is this?

[Angie Martinez]

I thought.

[Brat]

I thought we was.

[Judy]

I thought this was done. Well, because my first thing was. Why are you even still talking to her? Now? See, because this is a recent accident. This is a. Why are y' all still talking? What. What y' all got to talk about? What is that to talk about her feet? Oh, no, absolutely not.

[Angie Martinez]

This is why you can't speak. This is why you can't talk to nobody.

[Judy]

Okay? Just don't talk to nobody.

[Brat]

We have each other's. We have the same pin numbers across all of us.

[Judy]

Yeah.

[Angie Martinez]

Do you have, like, an old man thing to hide?

[Judy]

Oh, yeah, we have my. My passcode is her passcode.

[Brat]

So, yes.

[Judy]

Now the. That still is privacy, though, right? So my birthday is coming up, right? So if I know that something like that's coming up, I'm not gonna go in her phone like that, because I know she's probably trying to plan something, whatever. I'm not gonna ruin any or anything like that, but, yeah, I could.

[Angie Martinez]

But if you need to make a call and her phone is there, you.

[Judy]

Yeah, yeah, you pick up her phone. Or even if I wanted to go

[Brat]

and I want Instagram or.

[Judy]

Yeah, any of that, right? Because she do social media sometime and not like that. So I'd be going in there for and doing the shit, and you. You scrolling through the DMs sometimes. I told her, though, I deleted one recently because who the fuck was she talking to?

[Brat]

I wasn't talking to them.

[Judy]

No, not you. I'm talking to a person that was in the same. Trying to talk to you.

[Brat]

Look in my DMs.

[Judy]

Like, what?

[Brat]

I look in them. Like, if I don't have a person's number that's a celebrity or my friend, and to communicate to them through there and be like, hey, No, I know,

[Judy]

but I look through her dm.

[Angie Martinez]

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[Brat]

Tierra. Tiara.

[Angie Martinez]

So this is for you guys.

[Judy]

Okay.

[Clayton Eckerd]

Okay.

[Judy]

Hi, Br. My partner and I want to start a business together, but I'm scared that if we break up, then everything. Everything might fall apart.

[Brat]

I don't want the relationship to cost

[Judy]

us success, and I don't want success to cost us the relationship. How do you decide if it's worth the risk to go into business with your partner? We have been able to be successful in business because of our setup, and that's because, like, in the highest house. So she loves the. The. The. The domesticated side of it, right? She loves, like, I don't have to take out the trash. I don't have to wash any dishes. I don't have to. I don't know when the housekeepers are coming. She handles all of that. I handle all of the business side of it and the money. So when it comes to stuff like that, business for us was my decision. So it's whatever I have the capacity to do. And she support. So even when it comes down to her hair collection, I brought the stuff to her. I brought a finished product to her. I brought a finished idea to her. Let her do her input, but I carry the load of what that looks like when it came to the book, even down to hey, we should do the tour, all of that, she's gonna show up, but she's not doing the logistics. She's not doing none of that. So I'm saying that to say because I've also had a business with somebody in the past as well, and it don't always work successful like this one. I think the only reason it works successful this time is cause she lets me lead it and I like to do it. So I think the struggle that happens in relationships is a person might feel like they don't want to spend this much on this or they don't want to have to do this kind of work or they don't want to have to do. Because even down the hill, her. When it came to the tour, she said, we doing what you want me to be away from my son for how long? You know, So I don't think it's a bad idea, I can tell you that. It's very risky.

[Angie Martinez]

It is risky.

[Judy]

And I. I would never make. I would. Because I don't sell people dreams. I'm very transparent. I was only worked because of our setup.

[Angie Martinez]

Because you have clear roles.

[Judy]

Correct. She's willing to do. Just don't make her do the logistics. As long as I'm carrying the logistics. And that works for us.

[Brat]

Because I've never had to do all of that shit. I just gotta do what I gotta do.

[Judy]

Cause you an artist, right? Right. Exactly.

[Angie Martinez]

Since a little. Since a kid.

[Brat]

Since a kid.

[Judy]

I know that.

[Brat]

I don't handle the finances. I don't handle none of that shit. What's the routing number?

[Judy]

That's the thing, see. Cause she, she hasn't ever had to do that.

[Angie Martinez]

Yeah. So it actually works for you guys.

[Judy]

Correct.

[Angie Martinez]

Because you don't have to compromise how you do it.

[Judy]

Correct.

[Angie Martinez]

You can just handle it.

[Brat]

Right, Right.

[Judy]

And then if I. If an issue of questions, I didn't call the person that handles her stuff.

[Angie Martinez]

Yeah, thanks for your question, by the way, Tiara. But you also said this. You said even as a married couple, when you're collaborating on business, that it's important to keep paperwork in order.

[Judy]

Correct.

[Angie Martinez]

What does that mean?

[Judy]

So when we did her kaleidoscope out

[Brat]

of Brat My line.

[Judy]

Right. Her collection, braids and locks, I made sure she had a licensing deal.

[Brat]

Right.

[Judy]

Even though is I didn't want one

[Brat]

cuz I felt like whatever she makes, whatever I make, it's all together anyway.

[Judy]

No, I wanted her to have her specific income off of that. I wanted her I wanted to make sure that every single thing that we sold with her face and her likeness on it, she got residual, she got money off of it. Whether, because you know, the company, we're married, but the company is, is. I. I don't want. I don't want her to feel like she's obligated to have to give me anything, you know, so this is by the book. She need to sign the papers and make sure that she was getting her just due.

[Angie Martinez]

Yeah. That's so sweet. She's looking out for you. I know, right, but you said that you shouldn't just go into blind trust of your partner, that you should have paperwork. It has clear lines and clear.

[Judy]

Right, correct.

[Angie Martinez]

You have no opinion on this, do you? This is all her, right?

[Brat]

Mm. Cause I just feel like whatever I have is hers. We just share everything, period. I feel like we didn't need paperwork. If it was coming in from my face for Kaleidoscope, then it was just coming into Kaleidoscope.

[Angie Martinez]

You just blindly trust her.

[Judy]

I can. But then the revenue needed to be sorted a certain kind of way, you know what I'm saying? I wanted to make sure that she got per quarter, she got her earnings. So she also was able to know her earning potential because whether it was me or whether it was somebody else, she made millions. Yeah, her portion.

[Brat]

Yeah, it was just went into the millions of the pot with the Kaleidoscope stuff and recycled and did whatever it had to do.

[Angie Martinez]

Just trust her.

[Brat]

I do. Right.

[Judy]

But see, because on the other side of it, Kaleidoscope is a business. It's its own entity. She needed to have something from that instead of it just being a part of the revenue that's gonna go into a line item for the budget. No, that's. That's royalty.

[Brat]

But I didn't mind that.

[Angie Martinez]

So are there any rules? Like, like she asked the question, how do you know? Like when is it good? Like when should it. Do you advise it? Do you recommend in relationships to be in business?

[Judy]

I think like minded people probably could get away with it. Or people that are in a situation like this where they're different but they're. One of them is strong in one thing and the other one is strong in the other thing. You know, as long as the strength,

[Angie Martinez]

by the way, that any business partner that's a, That's a better fit anyway.

[Judy]

Absolutely.

[Angie Martinez]

So whether it's. You're in a relationship or. Or not, you should probably just decide if you're good business partners separate from good relationship partners.

[Judy]

Right? Because the strengths also can't outweigh each other. Like, it can't be, hey, this person is strong at making the place pretty, and this person is strong at logistics to cooking. And y' all gotta, you know, restaurant the cooking. The hiring of this, it still should be where it's fair, because then once somebody's burned out, they don't want to do it no more.

[Angie Martinez]

And holding on the weight.

[Brat]

Yeah.

[Judy]

Yeah.

[Brat]

All right.

[Judy]

That's really good.

[Brat]

All right.

[Angie Martinez]

In real life, let's go to our podcast.

[Brat]

Good job. Beautiful.

[Judy]

Oh, my God, you guys are too cute.

[Angie Martinez]

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[Clayton Eckerd]

All right, two truths and a lie. Here we go.

[Brat]

Go.

[Clayton Eckerd]

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[Jill Winterstein]

Hi, this is Jo Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver.

[Angie Martinez]

The Irish traveler said when I was 16.

[Brat]

You're going to have a terrible time with men.

[Jill Winterstein]

Actor, storyteller, and unapologetic Aquarian visionary, Aquarius is all about freedom, loving and different perspectives and I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius like are Misunderstood, A Sun and Venus in Aquarius and her seventh house spark her unconventional approach to partnership.

[Brat]

He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms on different houses and different places, but just an embracing of the isness of it all.

[Jill Winterstein]

If you're navigating your own transformation or just want a chart side view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity and real life, this episode is a must. Listen Listen to the Spirit Daughter Podcast podcast starting on February 24th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your podcast.

[Hans Charles Armenalek Lumumba]

Welcome to the A Building. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Menelik Lumumba. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr have both been assassinated and black America was at a breaking point. Rioting and protest broke out on an unprecedented scale in Atlanta, Georgia. At Martin's alma mater, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in black history, Martin Luther King Sr. And a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution. I mean, people were dying. 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone.

[Angie Martinez]

The FBI had a role in the

[Clayton Eckerd]

murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago.

[Hans Charles Armenalek Lumumba]

This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should, and it will blow your mind. Listen to the A building on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Amanda Knox]

In 2023, a story gripped the UK, evoking horror and disbelief.

[Brat]

A nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny bits is

[Judy]

now the most prolific child killer in modern British history.

[Amanda Knox]

Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict, a villain, a nurse named Lucy Letby.

[Judy]

Lucy Letby has been found guilty.

[Amanda Knox]

But what if we didn't get the whole story?

[Brat]

The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses.

[Amanda Knox]

I'm Amanda Knox and in the new podcast the Case of Lucy Letby, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Letby was.

[Jill Winterstein]

No voicing of any skepticism or doubt.

[Clayton Eckerd]

It'll cause so much harm at every single level of the British establishment of this is wrong.

[Amanda Knox]

Listen to Doubt the Case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Angie Martinez]

These are your reading. Wait, these are your reading glasses?

[Brat]

Yeah, these are my reading glasses. See, my eyes got bigger. What have you always wanted to do but haven't? I don't know that question that answer. What I always wanted to do but haven't. Bucket list.

[Angie Martinez]

Like a bucket list.

[Brat]

I don't have a bucket list.

[Judy]

She don't we talk about that.

[Brat]

I would like to work with Anderson, please. Pack.

[Judy]

Okay. Oh, that's cute.

[Brat]

Yeah. I would like to do. Do a whole project with Anderson Pack.

[Judy]

Wow.

[Brat]

Yeah, I think he's amazing.

[Judy]

I would like to have more time with my family. That's a goal of mine. I would like to not have to be so. So hands on in my business every day. So I would love to just build a strong enough team to not be as taken away.

[Angie Martinez]

That's funny because when you were talking about that before, it seemed like it didn't bother you, but it probably does bother you sometimes.

[Judy]

Before we had a baby, I told her that I was really working hard to make sure that once he came, I could be more present than I was in the past. So.

[Angie Martinez]

But you were mom young, right?

[Judy]

First. 15. 15, 15, 17, 19.

[Angie Martinez]

I can't imagine, you know. Well, that's so inspiring that you were able. Cause that could have taken a lot of people down. Like how do you even.

[Brat]

And she got put out. What do you mean she got put out?

[Judy]

The house. The house. At 17.

[Angie Martinez]

At 17. So you're 17 at that point. You have what, two kids?

[Judy]

Yep. Well, I said I was pregnant.

[Angie Martinez]

You were pregnant.

[Judy]

I got put off getting pregnant again.

[Angie Martinez]

For your second. And where did you go?

[Judy]

I moved in with my baby daddy.

[Angie Martinez]

How'd that go?

[Judy]

It didn't work. Right?

[Angie Martinez]

Yeah,

[Judy]

Didn't work. But I mean it. It wasn't supposed to.

[Angie Martinez]

Yeah, right. It wasn't supposed to.

[Judy]

I believe that it wasn't supposed to.

[Angie Martinez]

But how inspiring though. Cuz you, you know, it's hard. It's hard to even do that, just do that part of life.

[Brat]

Yeah.

[Angie Martinez]

Being a single mother, Being a single mother with them kids that young still probably learning who you are. You don't even have a grasp of

[Judy]

who you are at 15.

[Angie Martinez]

17.

[Judy]

I say that. So I feel like according to the world standards, I shouldn't be where I am according to the world standards. But I also feel like adversity builds you and builds your character. Like I'm a Hurricane Katrina survivor, you know, so I've experienced the loss of everything and having to figure out how to get it back. So I feel like those skills of having to be a mother, figuring it out for my family, lose everything, get it Back makes you feel like anything is possible. And you don't be scared to take risks. Cause what's the worst that could happen? I done lost everything. I done lost everything before.

[Brat]

Yeah, I don't like that shit. I don't like gambling and taking risks.

[Angie Martinez]

Were you and Katrina with your kids?

[Judy]

Were you in New Orleans or in Katrina? I was in New Orleans with my children when Katrina happened. We evacuated, though. I cannot.

[Angie Martinez]

Oh, so you weren't in it?

[Judy]

You evacuated all of New Orleans? We. So there was a hurricane that happened right before Katrina. And so I think a lot of people don't take into account that in order for you to evacuate, you have to have money, and you have to have money and be away from your job. You have to lose money and have. Have money. So a lot of New Orleans had just evacuated for the hurricane that came before. So when it was time to evacuate again. Because the first one that we evacuated before ain't happened. Like, people were taking their furniture and everything. So then when the second one came, a lot of people stayed because they had just depleted what they had the first time. So we evacuated. But we evacuated very late. So we made it. I think it was like, I don't know, the Sunday before. And I had joint custody with my kids. So my.

[Angie Martinez]

But you're a single. You're a single mother at the time, right?

[Brat]

Yeah.

[Judy]

And so my children's father had my boys, and then my daughter was, at the time at my mom's house spending the weekend. And so. Hey, where y' all going? We just gonna meet up later. You know, it's just like. Cause we thought we was leaving and coming right back because. Cause we had just did that. So he headed. He was heading to, I think Atlanta, and my mom and them were heading to a different part of Louisiana that wasn't supposed to be impacted. And then once you realize you're not going back, like, once you realize, oh, this ain't a. You know. Cause then even the bags that you packed were far lighter because you had just packed your whole house before. So now you packed a weekend bag. I didn't realize.

[Angie Martinez]

Realize that.

[Judy]

Yeah, yeah. I forget.

[Brat]

Took everything.

[Judy]

The. Yeah, the sec. The second one, Katrina took everything.

[Brat]

And you're talking because you thought it was. Because the person was easy.

[Judy]

Everybody did, though. That's why a lot of people stayed. A lot of people felt like, well, why did all those people stay? Them motherfuckers had just left. We had just left. We had just. I remember packing up even furniture and putting it in one of Those U Hauls, you connect to the back of the thing. But then, bitch, I'm not about to do that again. We not about to go through. We just went through this, you know.

[Brat]

What did you do when you realized it was bad and that I was,

[Judy]

I think the thing that killed me and it still make me emotional. I couldn't get in touch with my kids. Like the phones were fucked up. Like my baby daddy had my boys and I don't know where they went. I didn't know if they had made it out. And so it. It was days that passed. And then I f. They finally called me. And I would never forget, I dropped to my knees cuz I was just so thankful because the. The direction that he was going in, which he wound up pivoting and diverting, took. Got water. So I thought that they had went somewhere that had gotten water, but they didn't. So I convinced him. I'll never forget this, cuz we weren't in a relationship. But you know, a mom got to do what mom got to do. I told him, well, hey, if you come to Houston, maybe we can work on our relationship. Relationship, wow.

[Brat]

She just wanted her boy.

[Judy]

I wanted my children.

[Angie Martinez]

Wow.

[Judy]

And I tried. I kept my word. We tried. Yeah, maybe gave two hours. She ain't shit.

[Brat]

She ain't shit.

[Judy]

But. Yeah. So.

[Angie Martinez]

Oh my God.

[Judy]

But evacuated. Had to start over.

[Angie Martinez]

You did what you had to do.

[Brat]

Yeah.

[Judy]

And at the time, I actually was saving up for a salon. So I had had. I had some money. I had like, I don't know, probably 5,000. I might have had maybe like 2,305. Somewhere between 2000 $5,000. So I had enough for us to. To survive for a while, but I didn't qualify for a lot of those things. I was living with my mom, so she. You had to have an address that nobody else had claimed to qualify for a lot of things. And since it was my mama's residential address, I didn't even try to apply for half of the things because I didn't want my mom to. My mom to be in PA impacted.

[Brat]

Right.

[Judy]

So I just.

[Angie Martinez]

So you were left with nothing.

[Judy]

Yeah, but that's fine because I had a skill. So I snuck back into New Orleans before we were supposed to. And it just so happened at the salon I was working at. Didn't take a lot of water. So I snuck back into New Orleans. I got the pictures that of my. Because I used to do hair. Got my photo book and I went back to Houston because that's where A lot of people from New Orleans were, and they got their FEMA checks, and I went in the movie. Most ratchet mall out there was called Sharp Sign Mall. I moved around Shark Sign Mall, and I put out flyers. I went to Kinko's and I made flyers of the hairstyles that I did. And it was New Orleans hairstyles. It was. I would write New Orleans and people hair, and, like, I did these big old, like, the things that New Orleans girls were used to. So I knew that there would be a demand for that. Right. So I put out flyers, walked them all, and I wound up started getting clients. So I started working, working right away. Right after Katrina, probably it was less than two weeks.

[Brat]

Wow.

[Judy]

Yeah, it was less than. Yeah, absolutely.

[Angie Martinez]

Isn't it crazy? Women still want to get their hair done. Your house could be gone, you rebuilding

[Judy]

your thing, but you still want to

[Angie Martinez]

get your hair done.

[Judy]

You want a sense of normalcy. So if where I'm at, the food don't taste the same. This ain't the same. That ain't the same. I at least want to look the same. I don't want to have to change all of that. So I was able to get clients, and then eventually people started. Started going back to New Orleans, and the girls in New Orleans were needing me more than the girls in Houston. So I was traveling to New Orleans and staying there for three or four days. And then I was just like, I need to go back, because this don't make no sense to stay out here, and they need me more out there. And eventually I went back.

[Angie Martinez]

Wow.

[Judy]

So. But I said surviving. Losing everything makes you feel like anything is possible, and you don't be scared to take a risk.

[Angie Martinez]

Oh, that's good. Because a lot of people's fear is what stops them from trying their dreams, pushing past their boundaries.

[Judy]

Right. Like you have. It's almost like you have to have a traumatic experience of losing everything to know that it's not that scary. So after you've been through something like that, and it's not just Hurricane Katrina survivors, but anybody that's. You know. Cause I think. Did New York have something where there was like, some water or something or.

[Angie Martinez]

Yeah, we've had storms and.

[Judy]

Right.

[Angie Martinez]

We had 9 11.

[Brat]

We had 9 11.

[Judy]

Exactly. So when you lose everything thing.

[Brat]

Yeah.

[Judy]

You just know that.

[Brat]

Yeah.

[Judy]

You have to rebuild your life.

[Brat]

Yeah.

[Judy]

And it's not that it's impossible.

[Angie Martinez]

Yeah.

[Judy]

You just do it.

[Angie Martinez]

Yeah.

[Judy]

You don't stop.

[Angie Martinez]

No wonder you loved her.

[Brat]

See? Can't you see what you do to me.

[Judy]

Oh, my God.

[Hans Charles Armenalek Lumumba]

Yes.

[Angie Martinez]

She started talking that right there. You were like, oh, my God.

[Brat]

Oh, my God.

[Angie Martinez]

Yeah, I love her.

[Brat]

I love her. I love her from her toe next to her neck. I just want.

[Judy]

I want her to do everything in life that she wants to do to. I think that's the thing that we haven't. We haven't aligned on. Like, when we first started doing life. And I'm like, hey, this is gonna be, you know, it's gonna be a ride. It's gonna be a roller coaster, you know, if there's anything you can. If there's anything you want in life, I feel like you can attain it. So as I'm doing my goals, I'm like, well, what does she want? Let's make sure that we, you know. And she just like, whatever you like.

[Brat]

She. I hate when you do that shit. You make me feel like the bitch from coming to America. What time are you?

[Judy]

Like, no, no, that's everything. Whether that's vacations, even down to what kind of business. Like, I was like, do you want a restaurant? Like, what do you like?

[Clayton Eckerd]

We.

[Judy]

You have. You have income coming in. You have things we can be doing. What do you want to do? I don't like, what do you want? And she just like, I live my

[Brat]

life every day for that day. I don't. I don't. Whatever she want to do, I'll. I'll do. I want to do. Whatever she want to eat, I'll eat. I eat everything. I don't care. Like, if she wants to go somewhere. I've been everywhere. I'm an artist. I' been to London, Paris, Antigua, Japan, Africa, all of that. There's nothing that I want to do in life. Like, I don't have a bucket list. I want to jump out of a plane. I don't want to go to the whoever. Like, I've done all of that. I just want to be a great wife and a great mommy and be with my family. And whatever my wife wants to do that she hasn't done, I want to do that with her. Like, I don't care about things like that. Like, there's nothing that I want to do or no place I want to go. Like, oh, it's beautiful there. I want to go there. I don't care about that. I've been every fucking where.

[Angie Martinez]

But if she wants to go.

[Brat]

But if she wants to go, I'm going with her, and I want to make her have a good time.

[Angie Martinez]

Come on, guys.

[Brat]

What?

[Angie Martinez]

That's so cute.

[Brat]

She be Wanting me to say what I want. I'm like, I don't care what we eat. She be like, make a decision. Okay, let's eat oxtails. Fuck it. I don't know. And then she might not want oxtails.

[Judy]

That's why I said, you decide. No, but if you say oxtails, I eat it.

[Brat]

I know.

[Angie Martinez]

What are you two gonna be like? Lord willing, Gives you a long, full life. Like, what are you two, as older women gonna be like?

[Judy]

She is gonna be looking out the window every day at our neighbors, wondering what they doing.

[Brat]

Am I a nosy bitch?

[Judy]

No, you're not nosy. Cause she cares about everybody. Everybody. And. And not like nosy, but she cares if. If she found out that something happened. If you had foot surgery and you posted something about. She might text you randomly and say, hey, I'm just checking on you. Is everything okay? Do you need anything? I see you have foot surgery, I can send groceries to you. Like, that's just who she is, right? So that's. That's how she is and who she is, and that's who she gonna be.

[Angie Martinez]

She gonna be. She'll be taking care of the neighborhood.

[Brat]

I'm gonna be taking care of her, and we gonna be taking care of each other just like we do do now and having our son come take care of us.

[Angie Martinez]

Girl, how have your kids adjusted to this new. Your new family?

[Judy]

My kids don't care. I ain't gonna say they don't care. My kid, I. I raised them to love first. So when it came to us actually having true. I told them they were. My youngest son was like, I been wanda product and I. And I'm like, okay, well, now you get one. But a long time ago, I'm like, all right, whatever. But they don't. They love him, but they don't. You know, I feel like this. This generation of kids right now and that at that age, I have a 27, 25, 26. I feel like something like that. I feel like it's three of them and they somewhere in there.

[Brat]

Yeah.

[Judy]

I feel like they do their own thing.

[Brat]

Thing, right? Own lives, right?

[Judy]

One of them live with us and we don't, and one of we see them sometime, right?

[Brat]

Her daughter lives in New Orleans with her grandmother.

[Angie Martinez]

Cuz they grown. They all grown.

[Judy]

Yeah. Yep. We have a grandbaby. I have a grandbaby and her and True play together. Like, that's funny. And they best friends.

[Brat]

Cuz. What? She's five and she's. Yeah, she's five and he's her Uncle. Right.

[Judy]

But they run around the house and they just have the ball. I'm talking about they fall asleep with each other and. And it. It makes her cry and want another baby. When it's time for the baby. When it's time for my grandbaby to go. But yeah, they love him.

[Brat]

Get on my nerves.

[Angie Martinez]

In real life, what are you most proud of about yourselves and each other?

[Judy]

Oh, about myself. The thing that I'm most proud of for myself is I did a Judy Dropping Knowledge tour some years ago, and I was able to teach over 20,000 people entrepreneurship. But in that time, over 5,000 people gave their life to Christ.

[Angie Martinez]

Wow.

[Judy]

Because I held it in churches intentionally so that was like a mega. You know, like, you know how you can give the word. That was like a. I. I was able to do that many people in a short amount of time. So that I am super successful for. I mean, I. I feel super successful.

[Angie Martinez]

Super proud.

[Judy]

Yeah.

[Brat]

I think I'm proud that I'm the first female rapper to ever sell a music million records. Yeah. Because I didn't plan that. I just wanted to be a rapper and wanted the world to know me and sing my songs.

[Angie Martinez]

So history.

[Brat]

History. Proud to be a part of history and be in museums and stuff like that. Like, people call me like, yo, you in the museum.

[Judy]

And I'm.

[Brat]

I'd be so excited. Like, wow, I'm in museums, you know, so thanks to J.D. for that too.

[Angie Martinez]

Yeah, J.D.

[Brat]

yeah, me too. What about.

[Angie Martinez]

About for each other or together? In this season of your life, people get to witness this, learn from you, sharing so much in your book.

[Judy]

Yeah.

[Angie Martinez]

I'm sure there's people that feel seen by you guys sharing so openly and honestly. Like, I don't know. I'm sure that means something to you.

[Judy]

I'm just curious. Yeah. So I don't know how to answer that question as far as what I'm most proud of for her.

[Angie Martinez]

No, I think together, what you do with the work you guys are doing now, I think how you're showing up in the world now.

[Brat]

Yeah. I think we should be proud that we had a successful reality show that helped people, that we have a great relationship. You know what I mean? Like, we talk to each other. We're still a work in progress, but we're still here and we are still in love with each other. And we love our child. And, you know, we go through situations, but we know how to get through them. You know what I mean? Like, we're doing adults, we two grown, just living the life and Being and being happy and, you know, we go through things and we still here and we love each other so good.

[Angie Martinez]

It's Br and Judy in real life. Wait, before you go, my last question. It's in the bowl. It's one of my favorites. We ask everybody, if God were to text you right now, what would he say?

[Judy]

Oh, honestly, if he were to text me, he would tell me, me, get back, focused on my purpose, which is. I feel like he gave me this platform and all of these things to continue to show people how anything is possible. As long as you have faith, you can have the faith of a mustard seed. Actually carry around the mustard seed.

[Angie Martinez]

You have an actual mustard seed?

[Judy]

Yeah, it's in my purse. I do. I'm going to give you one. I would love that. Okay.

[Brat]

Yeah.

[Angie Martinez]

Could use one.

[Brat]

Yeah.

[Judy]

I think. I think that's the thing. I think right now I've been trying to troubleshoot and fix so many things that it's become more about numbers and logistics than it's become about purpose. So your profit is never supposed to overseed or outweigh your purpose.

[Brat]

That's good. I gotta follow that.

[Judy]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[Angie Martinez]

And so the text was.

[Judy]

Would say, get back, focused on your purpose.

[Brat]

Mine, He.

[Angie Martinez]

I think, by the way, in you even saying that.

[Brat]

Yeah.

[Angie Martinez]

Refocused you.

[Brat]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Angie Martinez]

I mean, you just offered me a mustard seed.

[Brat]

Okay.

[Angie Martinez]

I don't know how much more in your purpose is supposed to be. You know what I'm saying?

[Judy]

Like, right. Yeah, right.

[Brat]

Gee, don't look at me after that. Come on.

[Angie Martinez]

What you got? What is God going to text you?

[Brat]

I think God would tell me to. To go to church more and to focus on my music more and do what I really love doing. No matter who, no matter how I feel the industry is now or not. Just do it because it's what I love to do. Music is my favorite thing.

[Judy]

Get back to it.

[Brat]

Get back to it. Yeah.

[Angie Martinez]

Both of your texts say, get back, back to it.

[Brat]

Get back to your focus.

[Angie Martinez]

Get back to your music.

[Brat]

Focus on what you love.

[Angie Martinez]

Yeah.

[Brat]

And who you're here, who you're meant to be. You know, what you're meant to do while you're here.

[Angie Martinez]

I wish you guys many, many, many, many years of this type of love.

[Brat]

Thank you, Angie.

[Angie Martinez]

And go get the book, everybody.

[Judy]

Yes. Please go get the book.

[Brat]

And make sure you listen to Ladies Night.

[Angie Martinez]

Angie Martinez, now streaming the Butterfield, honey.

[Brat]

Got the song Flash.

[Judy]

Still streaming in 20, 20, 26.

[Angie Martinez]

Yes. Thank y' all so much.

[Judy]

Thanks for having us yo, what's up?

[Brat]

It's your girl, brat. And my beautiful wife Judy in real life.

[Angie Martinez]

Hey, guys, thanks for watching. Make sure you subscribe, like, comment and check out all of the other episodes we have on Angie Martinez IRL Podcast.

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[Amanda Knox]

I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast the Case of Lucy Letby, we unpack the story of an unimaginable tragedy that gripped the UK in 2023. But what if we didn't get the whole story?

[Brat]

Evidence has been made to fit. Moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapsed.

[Amanda Knox]

What if the truth was disguised by a story we chose to believe?

[Jill Winterstein]

Oh, my God. I think she might be innocent.

[Amanda Knox]

Listen to Doubt the Case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jill Winterstein]

Hi, it's Jill Interestein, host of the Spirit Daughter Podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And today, today I'm talking with my dear friend Krista Williams.

[Amanda Knox]

It can change you in the best way possible. Dance with the change. Dance with the breakdowns.

[Jill Winterstein]

The embodiment of Pisces intuition with Capricorn power moves.

[Amanda Knox]

So I'm like, delusionally proud of my chart.

[Jill Winterstein]

Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcast.

[Clayton Eckerd]

I'm Clayton Eckerd. In 2022, I was the lead of ABC's the Bachelor.

[Amanda Knox]

But here's the thing. Bachelor fans hated him.

[Clayton Eckerd]

If I could press a button and rewind it all, I would.

[Amanda Knox]

That's when his life took a disturbing turn. A one night stand would end in a courtroom. The media is here.

[Brat]

This case has gone viral.

[Clayton Eckerd]

The Dating Contract.

[Jill Winterstein]

Agree to date me, but I'm also suing you.

[Clayton Eckerd]

This is unlike anything I've ever seen before.

[Amanda Knox]

I'm Stephanie Young. Listen to Love trapped on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Judy]

This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.